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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: anabolichalo on January 15, 2013, 12:59:40 PM
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a lot of bodybuilders agree they don't go under 8-12 reps for upper body, 15-20 reps for lower body
not locking out in between reps, not just moving the weight but squeezing and pumping
this is one school of thought
the other one is about lifting heavy at all cost
obviously the latter one is more dangerous
but what about results, do you respond better to "working the muscle" type training or powerlifting type training?
i was surprised to see BFG reccomend 5x5 type strength training 3-4 times a week max in the off season, go real heavy he said
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it doesn't matter
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too much weight = blown out joints and tendons in a couple of years from too much load
light weight = blown out joints and tendons in a couple of decades of overuse
pick one
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Most bodybuilders do not train like powerlifters and the ones that do have very short careers the fact is you do not need train like that to get big.
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Powerlifters don't even lift heavy if you average out the weights. They train like bodybuilders, 10-20 reps except in the main lift which they often pyramid up and do couple of heavy singles on.
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Powerlifters don't even lift heavy if you average out the weights. They train like bodybuilders, 10-20 reps except in the main lift which they often pyramid up and do couple of heavy singles on.
lol...:..mmmm, k
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lol...:..mmmm, k
Hi Coach.
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a lot of bodybuilders agree they don't go under 8-12 reps for upper body, 15-20 reps for lower body
not lockin7g out in between reps, not just moving the weight but squeezing and pumping
this is one school of thought
the other one is about lifting heavy at all cost
obviously the latter one is more dangerous
but what about results, do you respond better to "working the muscle" type training or powerlifting type training?
i was surprised to see BFG reccomend 5x5 type strength training 3-4 times a week max in the off season, go real heavy he said
The "ladder" is actually less dangerous.
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If anybody hasn't read the 5/3/1 powerlifting training by Jim Wendler go ahead, if you don't have any money I be open to give you a "lend" of the e-book, its an excellent no nonsense aproach to powerlifting training and a hell lot more fun that the stupid bodypart bodybuilding way of training.
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If anybody hasn't read the 5/3/1 powerlifting training by Jim Wendler go ahead, if you don't have any money I be open to give you a "lend" of the e-book, its an excellent no nonsense aproach to powerlifting training and a hell lot more fun that the stupid bodypart bodybuilding way of training.
really?
i am not sure what to think about wendler
i have read a lot of programs, really tried hard to understand and apply them
in the end they didnt work
like dual factor periodization bla bla
massive headaches not gains
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I like how these guys in one article will talk about the 10 grams of juice they are injecting, then in another talk about the importance of rep range. lol.
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4-6 reps is best
6-8 for legs
Scientific fact
ASK dorian
High reps is for Fitness
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If anybody hasn't read the 5/3/1 powerlifting training by Jim Wendler go ahead, if you don't have any money I be open to give you a "lend" of the e-book, its an excellent no nonsense aproach to powerlifting training and a hell lot more fun that the stupid bodypart bodybuilding way of training.
Dare say that to my right arm supraspinatus.. >:(
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4-6 reps is best
6-8 for legs
Scientific fact
ASK dorian
High reps is for Fitness
farah says low reps trains joints high rep trains muscle
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Low reps tear ligaments and tendons, high reps do not.. :(
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i believe heavy compound moves are great for bodybuilding - done properly!!!
Ronnie and Dorian trained crazy heavy and were the best, but are completely messed up now.
Vince Taylor and Robbie Robinson trained extremely light and were close to the best but not quite. but now in their 50's and 60's they still look amazing.
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Ronnie and Dorian trained crazy heavy and were the best, but are completely messed up now.
Vince Taylor and Robbie Robinson trained extremely light and were close to the best but not quite. but now in their 50's and 60's they still look amazing.
exactly. it makes fuck-all difference how you train, as long as you aren't injuring yourself. were they "not quite" the best because of how they trained? no one will ever know for sure, but pretty much all evidence points against it.
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exactly. it makes fuck-all difference how you train, as long as you aren't injuring yourself. were they "not quite" the best because of how they trained? no one will ever know for sure, but pretty much all evidence points against it.
can one get bigger muscles without increasing training loads?
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can one get bigger muscles without increasing training loads?
When hormonizing? Yes. Up the dosage.
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i believe heavy compound moves are great for bodybuilding - done properly!!!
Ronnie and Dorian trained crazy heavy and were the best, but are completely messed up now.
Vince Taylor and Robbie Robinson trained extremely light and were close to the best but not quite. but now in their 50's and 60's they still look amazing.
Ronnie did heavy for videos. In his videos couple yrs before that even says he thinks 12 to 15 is best for size gains. And that's what he uses. Also count his reps on sets yourself..... Loo. He just does a show off set for the videos. still higher than four reps even on the show off sets.
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farah says low reps trains joints high rep trains muscle
fahrah is all synthol and DNP
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Ronnie did heavy for videos. In his videos couple yrs before that even says he thinks 12 to 15 is best for size gains. And that's what he uses. Also count his reps on sets yourself..... Loo. He just does a show off set for the videos. still higher than four reps even on the show off sets.
ronnie is throwing around the weights
his reps last only 1 second
so 12-15 reps of his style are equevalent to 5-8 controled reps
its about time not reps btw.
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its about time not reps btw.
yep
so what would you say is the ideal time under load?
i'd say 15-20 seconds, and not more than 30 seconds
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yep
so what would you say is the ideal time under load?
i'd say 15-20 seconds, and not more than 30 seconds
depending on exercise and muscle
for example somthing like
15 sec for barbell rows for example
30 sec for bicep curl
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Most bodybuilders do not train like powerlifters and the ones that do have very short careers the fact is you do not need train like that to get big.
JOJ is a Bber/powerlifter, and he is still competing. Branch Warren may train in a similar fashion. Mike Francois would still be going strong if it weren't for his illness. Mike trained like a powerlifter.
Steve Effering is a powerlifting/Bber and he won his Pro card in his 40s.
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dj181 and closeline, great information, thanks
get this from books or experience?
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experience
also look at sprinters
the biggest and most muscles ones are the short sprinters ie. 60 meter to 200 meter and they run their events in about 6-20 seconds
the long sprinters ie. 400 meters are not as heavily muscled and they run their event in about 45 seconds
and then you go to mid-distance like 800-1500 meter runners and they have almost no muscle, and elite 800 meter runners run their event in about 100 seconds
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so are you timing your sets?
how else do you know if you are doing the right loading time
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JOJ is a Bber/powerlifter, and he is still competing. Branch Warren may train in a similar fashion. Mike Francois would still be going strong if it weren't for his illness. Mike trained like a powerlifter.
Steve Effering is a powerlifting/Bber and he won his Pro card in his 40s.
good examples
and joj as well as warren do not just lift heavy, they use a lot of momentum
without momentum, you will barley be able to lift so heavy, that you can injure yourself
a weight you can lift with proper form, without momentum is always ok
btw
most injuries,
yates triceps-tear for example, happend after many month of minor injuries going along with inflamations in that area that are not taken care of in the right way
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dj181 and closeline, great information, thanks
get this from books or experience?
20+ years of training ;) in a gym along with many competitors up to olympians
i ve tried everything from 100 rep squats like tom platz did to heavy doubles like olympi lifters
the best look i achive with training style like dorian yates but slower positive movement and a little lower reps on some exercise
this is the general rule, sometimes i go really high reps ofcourse
you can t go balls to the walls in every workout, sometimes it s time for a new impulse
it helps to build mass and is a grat feeling to do a set like 315 for 50-60 reps of squats, or giantsets for back like pullovers- pullups- bent row wide grip- bent row close grip- lat pulldowns without rest between the sets 6-8 reps per set
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20+ years of training ;) in a gym along with many competitors up to olympians
i ve tried everything from 100 rep squats like tom platz did to heavy doubles like olympi lifters
the best look i achive with training style like dorian yates but slower positive movement and a little lower reps on some exercise
this is the general rule, sometimes i go really high reps ofcourse
you can t go balls to the walls in every workout, sometimes it s time for a new impulse
it helps to build mass and is a grat feeling to do a set like 315 for 50-60 reps of squats, or giantsets for back like pullovers- pullups- bent row wide grip- bent row close grip- lat pulldowns without rest between the sets 6-8 reps per set
ever considered publishing a book on this
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a lot of bodybuilders agree they don't go under 8-12 reps for upper body, 15-20 reps for lower body
not locking out in between reps, not just moving the weight but squeezing and pumping
this is one school of thought
the other one is about lifting heavy at all cost
obviously the latter one is more dangerous
but what about results, do you respond better to "working the muscle" type training or powerlifting type training?
i was surprised to see BFG reccomend 5x5 type strength training 3-4 times a week max in the off season, go real heavy he said
For longevity, option 1 is the answer, with a smidgen of option 2 sprinkled in to overcome boredom.
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so are you timing your sets?
how else do you know if you are doing the right loading time
no
i just know that 1 rep for examples barbell row is approx 1 second for positiv 2 second for negativ for an average of 5 reps equals 15 seconds for a set
coleman for exampel
0.5sec positiv a little under 1 sec for negative, so his reps are much faster
so if he does 15 reps , and it s rare that he goes to failure his sets may very well last much shorter than a set of yates doing 6 reps with slow negativ and 1-2 forced reps
so it s not accurate to go for number instead go for time if talking about heavy
btw i always felt if i go not heavy enough the assistant muscles tend to fail befor the acctually worked muscles fail
and that s very limiting to muscle mass gains
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ever considered publishing a book on this
lol i acctually started writing last summer vacation ;D
but it is in german , someone would have to translate it, because my english is not so good
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ever considered publishing a book on this
i think that there are general guidelines, but in the end you gotta find/figure out what works best for you as an individual
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i think that there are general guidelines, but in the end you gotta find/figure out what works best for you as an individual
can t fully agree
95 percent have to lift heavy to build mass to look like a real bodybuilder
and if you look close, the other 5 percent are blown up and miss quality if they choose to compete
exceptions are beginners for the first month
to hold the main part of the muscles you allready have you can go much lighter ofcourse,
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can t fully agree
95 percent have to lift heavy to build mass to look like a real bodybuilder
and if you look close, the other 5 percent are blown up and miss quality if they choose to compete
exceptions are beginners for the first month
to hold the main part of the muscles you allready have you can go much lighter ofcourse,
well man, the gospel is progressive overload so that's first and foremost
basically.... BIGGER TRAINING LOADS=BIGGER MUSCLES
but there's different ways to train to enable oneself to add weight to the bar
the best way for me is very low volume with a limited amount of exercises (all compound moves) with higher frequency (2 or even 3 times per week)
Hise's abbreviated training for example
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well man, the gospel is progressive overload so that's first and foremost
basically.... BIGGER TRAINING LOADS=BIGGER MUSCLES
but there's different ways to train to enable oneself to add weight to the bar
the best way for me is very low volume with a limited amount of exercises (all compound moves) with higher frequency (2 or even 3 times per week)
Hise's abbreviated training for example
yes , dj181
i fully agree with that
low volume, allways increase weight, as far as i can say that after 20+ years of training
to be honest, i think to make continuing gains over such a long period , you have to alternate the intensty and most off all (sadly) up the dosage or use new stuff
depending on rest possible during the week
i go with 3 or 4 times a week as well
sometimes for shorter perionds, not longer than 3 weeks, i go with 2 on 1 off to max out strengh or mass