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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Deicide on March 13, 2009, 08:24:37 AM
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Everything I have read goes again this, everyone says max of an hour 45 min, intense and finish. What say you?
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why not ?
if one eats enough calories, I believe it shouldn't be a problem
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You mean like Kymou ?
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Waste of time.
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You mean like Kymou ?
Yeah, ;D I kind of was hinting at that. Everything I read says that after an hour your cortisol levels go up and it is just not very productive but I guess Kymou hasn't experienced that? ???
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Yeah, ;D I kind of was hinting at that. Everything I read says that after an hour your cortisol levels go up and it is just not very productive but I guess Kymou hasn't experienced that? ???
I think you need to accomplish some basic things before you go and try to train for 2 hours a day.
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My workouts usually last 2.5 - 3 hours, but I don't train everyday - just 7 times over 2 weeks (4 times one week and 3 times the next). There is no right formula that applies to everyone - some people recover faster and some slower. You've got to find what works for you and not just frequency-wise.
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why not ?
if one eats enough calories, I believe it shouldn't be a problem
good call. no such thing as overtraining - only undereating!
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good call. no such thing as overtraining - only undereating!
And lack of rest.
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I train for an hour, hour and 15. My body gets to a certain point in the worout when I know i've fatigued the muscles enough and anymore would be pointless.
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My workouts last anywhere from an hour to an hour and a half if I'm doing two bodyparts, throw in cardio sum total can be 2 to 2.5 hours..
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i think a natural grows the best when its short and heavy. i dont see the point of training that long.
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i think a natural grows the best when its short and heavy.
Just how i like my ladies.
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good call. no such thing as overtraining - only undereating!
The cornerstone of stupidity for the new lifter. I fell victim to this.
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I work out for about an hour and do atleast 2 drop sets per exercise. I really feel like i need to hit my muscles really hard to get a good workout. Sometimes my workout will take an hour 20 to an hour 30 if i do both chest and tris. I hate ready in magazines where the "pros" workout is 3 exercises 4 sets for chest, maybe it is just me but that wouldn't get me to grow.
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i think a natural grows the best when its short and heavy. i dont see the point of training that long.
x2
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why not ?
if one eats enough calories, I believe it shouldn't be a problem
Dude, you know as much about natural training as a cow knows about knitting. ::)
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Dude, you know as much about natural training as a cow knows about knitting. ::)
"dude", I trained natural for a few years and I was training 2 hours per workout without any problems.
Also I know quite a few natural weightlifters who train twice a day, 5 days a week and their strenght and muscle mass improves at a very good rate for naturals
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Im not sure, is it really productive to train arms for 25 sets for biceps and triceps?
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Everything I have read goes again this, everyone says max of an hour 45 min, intense and finish. What say you?
Oh the "45 minutes" in and out thing...
thats total bulshit. Just start with a training programm you like, high volume, moderate volume anything... and stick to it by adding/cutting exersices reps/set if you see results. In other words listen to your body and what works for you.
as a natty when i was 17 i trained for like 3 hours a day and grew like a weed.
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My workouts last anywhere from an hour to an hour and a half if I'm doing two bodyparts, throw in cardio sum total can be 2 to 2.5 hours..
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I honesty think a bit of this comes down to age. When I was in my teens-early 20's I could hang for 90 min -2 hours, 4 times a week and it wasn't a big deal. Now 10 yeas later with real life commitments, that workload just wears me down.
I've found that 3x wk/1hr. seems to to a nice happy compromise. I've also found that exercise selection plays a big part. I've dumped or cut back a lot of the small stuff.
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How could anyone, especially a natural train 2 hours a day with any amount of intensity?
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Yeah, ;D I kind of was hinting at that. Everything I read says that after an hour your cortisol levels go up and it is just not very productive but I guess Kymou hasn't experienced that? ???
I used to believe it. But That problem solve mega protein intake.
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I don't go past 1.5 hours, too drained.
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I don't go past 1.5 hours, too drained.
Your boyfriend sure doesn't think so.
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BBing theory is not ABSOLUTE.
You must always combine theory and experience.
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My wife sure thinks so.
CLOWN
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good call. no such thing as overtraining - only undereating!
Thats Paco and his teachers theory.
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im usually at the gym for bout 1.5 hours on average, though without the social time it would be cut down to at least 1 hour lol
Now days i've started to play basketball for about another 1.5 hours after that so im there about 3 hours total, thats probrably not optimal but who really gives a shit if your missing out on gaining an extra ounce of muscle a month by actualy enjoying yourself at the gym
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What I find absolutely fascinating is the fact millions and millions of people workout, adjust their diets and lifestyles to achieve optimum results and have done so for many decades. Still science doesn't seem to have put in to stone what really works best and what doesn't.
Is it REALLY that complicated?
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Everything I have read goes again this, everyone says max of an hour 45 min, intense and finish. What say you?
I've seen naturals train 2 hours/Day
1)1/2 hour picking out and slowly sipping carboforce while thoroughly chalking their corner of the gym, including any passer bys. The passer bys are also subject to intense stares of focus and unbridled aggression.
2) 7 sets of warmups in the cage each with a 3 min interval
3) 5 sets of actual work with many many many trips to the water fountain and chitchats on the way back from where the latest Mr Olympia is discussed in detail hence instilling a sense of belonging.
4) swaggered bow legged walk to the car accompanied by expectant grunt as the trainer crashes into the car seat and puts his head back/eyes closed in agony to recompose from the brutal training.
5) roll windows down and blast metallica while pulling away hoping some hottie exiting the gym will notice
the end
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I've seen naturals train 2 hours/Day
1)1/2 hour picking out and slowly sipping carboforce while thoroughly chalking their corner of the gym, including any passer bys. The passer bys are also subject to intense stares of focus and unbridled aggression.
2) 7 sets of warmups in the cage each with a 3 min interval
3) 5 sets of actual work with many many many trips to the water fountain and chitchats on the way back from where the latest Mr Olympia is discussed in detail hence instilling a sense of belonging.
4) swaggered bow legged walk to the car accompanied by expectant grunt as the trainer crashes into the car seat and puts his head back/eyes closed in agony to recompose from the brutal training.
5) roll windows down and blast metallica while pulling away hoping some hottie exiting the gym will notice
the end
BTW i've seen your pics, GARBAGE physique.
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BTW i've seen your pics, GARBAGE physique.
think i hit me a nerve lol
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=230359.0;attach=271956;image)
when this pic ws taken i ws an alkie(on teh left) ..drinking an avg of 2 or 3 pints of remi / day and eating every other day :)..if that...usually survuved on sodas and jamican beef patties from sleven
now post yours and blow me away 8)
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think i hit me a nerve lol
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=230359.0;attach=271956;image)
when this pic ws taken i ws an alkie(on teh left) ..drinking an avg of 2 or 3 pints of remi / day and eating every other day :)..if that
now post yours and blow me away 8)
lol are you serious? Do you have any sober after pics?
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I love this no longer than 45 minutes shit they spew nowadays..............ri diculous!!
People got soft and lazy......what are you gonna` turn into a fucking pumpkin if you train for 46 minutes or an hour and 46 minutes??
Train hard,heavy for the reps you`re shooting for,rest less between sets,eat,drink,sleep/rest according to your activity levels.
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I find that if I lift for more than a hour I start to feel a little tired and my strength goes down as well.
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think i hit me a nerve lol
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=230359.0;attach=271956;image)
when this pic ws taken i ws an alkie(on teh left) ..drinking an avg of 2 or 3 pints of remi / day and eating every other day :)..if that...usually survuved on sodas and jamican beef patties from sleven
now post yours and blow me away 8)
I outmass you by 60 lbs while maintaining a 34" waist Mr. 180lbs never seen the inside of a gym, so STFU.
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lol are you serious? Do you have any sober after pics?
dead derious...i decided to quit cause it got worse after that pic ws taken...i went a week in bed doing nothing but drinking paul mason (i'd run out of $ for the remi) and i think i went thru something like 7 or 8 gallons of that shit...i'd just pop 4 or 5 ephedrines when and if i needed to train..which wasn't often..
then i sobered up and got on librium (need it to sleep since i dont know how without alkie)...detox ws a BITCH mate...but somewhere in the process of training drunk i seriously fucked up my shoulders ....i got a nerve conduction study coing up come tuesday ....in the process of getting my shoulders back...then i shall return :)
so yes i do have sober pix...but i'm quite fat since i started eating normal and quit drinking ;D
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think i hit me a nerve lol
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=230359.0;attach=271956;image)
when this pic ws taken i ws an alkie(on teh left) ..drinking an avg of 2 or 3 pints of remi / day and eating every other day :)..if that...usually survuved on sodas and jamican beef patties from sleven
now post yours and blow me away 8)
HAHA another 150lb bottom bitch exposes him self.
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I outmass you by 60 lbs while maintaining a 34" waist Mr. 180lbs never seen the inside of a gym, so STFU.
all talk no pic makes jacks pannies on fire! ;D
hey you should easily pwn my shit physique RIGHT?
lol
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HAHA another 150lb bottom bitch exposes him self.
170lb bottom bitch thankyou!
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dead derious...i decided to quit cause it got worse after that pic ws taken...i went a week in bed doing nothing but drinking paul mason (i'd run out of $ for the remi) and i think i went thru something like 7 or 8 gallons of that shit...i'd just pop 4 or 5 ephedrines when and if i needed to train..which wasn't often..
then i sobered up and got on librium (need it to sleep since i dont know how without alkie)...detox ws a BITCH mate...but somewhere in the process of training drunk i seriously fucked up my shoulders ....i got a nerve conduction study coing up come tuesday ....in the process of getting my shoulders back...then i shall return :)
so yes i do have sober pix...but i'm quite fat since i started eating normal and quit drinking ;D
Surprise, how does it feel to know your ex wife is sucking another guys cock right about now, hahahhaha. Garbage physique, can't hold a marriage together======LOSER!!!!!
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170lb bottom bitch thankyou!
outmass by 70lbs :o
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I train for an hour, hour and 15. My body gets to a certain point in the worout when I know i've fatigued the muscles enough and anymore would be pointless.
This. I know in the first set or two how the workout is gonna go anyway.
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Surprise, how does it feel to know your ex wife is sucking another guys cock right about now, hahahhaha. Garbage physique, can't hold a marriage together======LOSER!!!!!
lower the dosage mate!
PS i've never been married
BTW..STILL no pic from you Mr elite physique ;D
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outmass by 70lbs :o
no photo...no credibility! :-*
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lower the dosage mate!
PS i've never been married
BTW..STILL no pic from you Mr elite physique ;D
Your GF dumped your ugly, skinny ass, that came straight from your mouth, FARTS. Some of us don't work in retail selling cell phones and would rather not post pics on a public forum, make sense FARTS??
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Your GF dumped your ugly, skinny ass, that came straight from your mouth, FARTS. Some of us don't work in retail selling cell phones and would rather not post pics on a public forum, make sense FARTS??
Cut your head off the pic. I think we are all interested in seeing this battle continue.
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I love this no longer than 45 minutes shit they spew nowadays..............ri diculous!!
People got soft and lazy......what are you gonna` turn into a fucking pumpkin if you train for 46 minutes or an hour and 46 minutes??
Train hard,heavy for the reps you`re shooting for,rest less between sets,eat,drink,sleep/rest according to your activity levels.
spot on
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Cut your head off the pic. I think we are all interested in seeing this battle continue.
how do you do that?
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when your eating 1000grams of protein it's easy.
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when your eating 1000grams of protein it's easy.
Exactly.
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Exactly.
Your toilet must hate you.
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I know in the first set or two how the workout is gonna go anyway.
This is very true. I've always judged by bar speed. If the first few lifts have little or no "pop" to them, I know it's either a maintenance day or a skip.
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how do you do that?
Photoshop or paint i guess. Open it up in any image editing program
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Personally, after training for 1 hour and 15 mins i just want to get out of the gym drink my 50g of dextrose+50g of whey protein and go home.
:D
I don't like taking anything other than water during training so i have to keep it short as i can with 2 minute breaks inbetween sets.
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Your GF dumped your ugly, skinny ass, that came straight from your mouth, FARTS. Some of us don't work in retail selling cell phones and would rather not post pics on a public forum, make sense FARTS??
actually i teach at www.jmatsystems.com and www.asmed.com
anything else coward?
still no pic no 280lbs ::)
lol ;D
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Kyomu, i think you look good in your recent pics....
but I think Paco has you brainwashed.
Brainwashed or not.
If I dont grow up and i dont feel it. I dont follow him. I started to train since 1988(Maybe longer than you). I know what it is
And I have never ever followed him.
I always talk to him really long time before doing something which he order to me.
And recent pic is good doesnt mean thatI have grown recently.
When You begin the cut up fase. You wont grow.
My mass was there already 3 months ago(in this pic).
(http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v295/228/11/1324685224/n1324685224_30067899_1384.jpg)
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kyomu,
i hope your successful in your upcoming shows. you have definitely made improvements. Perhaps the improvements were due to eating more, and not necessarily working out longer.
what does a 2 hr workout do that a 30 min workout cant? besides overtrain and make it more difficult to recover?
Thanks mate.
No. This is what we(paco,me and others...) wants to say.
If you have power of the concentration of god and we can concentrate in 1 reps everything, of course that is the best.
Unfortunately we cant. Thats why we train longer.
We dont try to train 2h on purpose. The thing is: when we notice, 2 hrs has past.......
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"...45 minutes..." :) OK sure. Be careful out there.
Nobody ever accomplished anything in 45 minutes. Ever.
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"...45 minutes..." :) OK sure. Be careful out there.
Nobody ever accomplished anything in 45 minutes. Ever.
Are you sure about that?
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Different for everyone.
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"...45 minutes..." :) OK sure. Be careful out there.
Nobody ever accomplished anything in 45 minutes. Ever.
(http://www.devilsltd.co.uk/ekmps/shops/palmsgym9/images/muscles_in_minutes.jpg)
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its not just the amount of time you are at the gym though. its how many sets, reps, intensity, etc. if you are working out at a normal pace, i dont see why any more than 45 minutes is needed. just one man's opinion of course. i could be wrong. but where's the science to backup the more is better principle?
Word.
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Why would anyone want to?
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Everything I have read goes again this, everyone says max of an hour 45 min, intense and finish. What say you?
i do
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What I find absolutely fascinating is the fact millions and millions of people workout, adjust their diets and lifestyles to achieve optimum results and have done so for many decades. Still science doesn't seem to have put in to stone what really works best and what doesn't.
Is it REALLY that complicated?
science HAS put in stone what works best....to a certain extent
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its not just the amount of time you are at the gym though. its how many sets, reps, intensity, etc. if you are working out at a normal pace, i dont see why any more than 45 minutes is needed. just one man's opinion of course. i could be wrong. but where's the science to backup the more is better principle?
Agreed. I just don't see how you can be hitting the weights with solid intensity for 3 hours, unless it's just a total body, once a week workout.
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If your a natural in the gym longer than 1.5 hours your focus and your intensity sucks. I was so tired and run down all the time from trying the high volume thing. 5 sets of 10 reps for 7 different exercises. I cut off two of those sets and made them warm up's and I do three really hard sets with more weight.
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I train close to two hours every workout! However I train two bodyparts a session, about one hour for the big body parts, another 30 to 40 for the smaller ones, the is between sets are longer if you train heavy. So two hours is about right
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45min is enough........if you only train 1 bodypart
usually start sippin on dex and whey at the 1hr mark 8)
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(http://www.devilsltd.co.uk/ekmps/shops/palmsgym9/images/muscles_in_minutes.jpg)
HIT my ass...
Maybe it worked for him?
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hes dead so probably not.
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haha.man I remember training for like 3 hours when I was a teenager.man that was dumb.I vary rarely go over an hour now.
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I love this no longer than 45 minutes shit they spew nowadays..............ri diculous!!
People got soft and lazy......what are you gonna` turn into a fucking pumpkin if you train for 46 minutes or an hour and 46 minutes??
Train hard,heavy for the reps you`re shooting for,rest less between sets,eat,drink,sleep/rest according to your activity levels.
Amen!
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How could anyone, especially a natural train 2 hours a day with any amount of intensity?
Completely agree. 45 mins to an hour tops for me depending on how many bodyparts.
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Irrelevant anyway, the time spent in the gym doesn't mean anything.
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Irrelevant anyway, the time spent in the gym doesn't mean anything.
But intensity does and as they say, you can't sprint a mile, 45 intense minutes are more worthwhile than 2 hours of larifari blahblah.
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But intensity does and as they say, you can't sprint a mile, 45 intense minutes are more worthwhile than 2 hours of larifari blahblah.
I usually need double that because my results are best when my rest times are longer.
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Everything I have read goes again this, everyone says max of an hour 45 min, intense and finish. What say you?
Yes, but that dictates rest and good nutrition as well as a gradual increase of training volume.
CD
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this "under-eating" stuff is total bull and dangerous advice.
natural training: short and brutal* (vs. long and moderate) is the way to go.
2 hours with brutal intensity may be possible once in a while when you're fully rested and your circadian rhythm hits a high. such days feel great, but they are rare. don't forget: you should also be able to recover from such a workout in a reasonable period of time (in my case 7 days each muscle).
your growth hormone levels will probably peak within the first hour of intense training. if you train longer than that, you will have to pace yourself. So train like a 100 meter dash sprinter who does not need to pace himself. short and brutally intense. then leave the gym, be productive and enjoy life.
* if I may add: "brutal" does not mean toss around weights and grunt like a lovesick rhino
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This is very true. I've always judged by bar speed. If the first few lifts have little or no "pop" to them, I know it's either a maintenance day or a skip.
totaly agree 100%,,,,,,,,,,,, fucking hate those days
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I never train for more than an hour for the reasons mentioned before and the fact that my chronic insomnia puts me in a state of permanent exhaustion and I simply don't have the energy to do it.
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why not ?
if one eats enough calories, I believe it shouldn't be a problem
It's nothing to do with eating, more to do with your nervous system. For most people 2 hours would be pointless. But everyone is different.
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Chest/back/legs i find 3 sets to failure in total is enough i can tell the 4th is pointless.
I did 2 hour sessions when i was in my teens, not a huge amount of sets but it seemed to take longer then now i can get through stuff so much quicker. Maybe fitness level
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I never time my workouts.
I know what i have to do and i rest as long as i feel necessary between sets. I laugh at these people who finish a set then quickly look at the time and then exactly 90secs later they do their next set.
An average workout for me is probably in the vicinity of 60 mins or so...
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I never time my workouts.
I know what i have to do and i rest as long as i feel necessary between sets. I laugh at these people who finish a set then quickly look at the time and then exactly 90secs later they do their next set.
An average workout for me is probably in the vicinity of 60 mins or so...
Aren't you are afraid of these guys where you are from?
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z25/Todesfick/Atrax_robustus.jpg)
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Aren't you are afraid of these guys where you are from?
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z25/Todesfick/Atrax_robustus.jpg)
Sydney Funnel Web?
Had one in the bottom of the pool like a few months ago. They sink to the bottom of the pool, stay there, then when you swim over them they swim up and bite you.
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Sydney Funnel Web?
Had one in the bottom of the pool like a few months ago. They sink to the bottom of the pool, stay there, then when you swim over them they swim up and bite you.
Smart little feckers...
Did you see it rise to the top?
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Smart little feckers...
Did you see it rise to the top?
Yeah, i got the scooper and went to scoop it up, then when the scooper went near it, it swam to the surface. Fucking sneaky bastards.....
Still, where i live we don't get too many of them..... 8)
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how much time do you fuckers rest between sets to be training 2 hours?
10 minutes?
i'm done in 20-25 minutes
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how much time do you fuckers rest between sets to be training 2 hours?
10 minutes?
i'm done in 20-25 minutes
How?
What do you do (sets/reps/exercises) that allows you to do a full workout in 20mins?
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Sydney Funnel Web?
Had one in the bottom of the pool like a few months ago. They sink to the bottom of the pool, stay there, then when you swim over them they swim up and bite you.
Deadly bite...
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Deadly bite...
Yep.....
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How?
What do you do (sets/reps/exercises) that allows you to do a full workout in 20mins?
i do 4 sets for reps anywhere between 4-12.
after first set i rest maybe minute/minute and half , then after every set that follows i increase rest time.
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Sydney Funnel Web?
Had one in the bottom of the pool like a few months ago. They sink to the bottom of the pool, stay there, then when you swim over them they swim up and bite you.
Wait a second, how the fuck are they breathing water?!
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Wait a second, how the fuck are they breathing water?!
Fuckers hold their breath i guess..... :-\
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Wait a second, how the fuck are they breathing water?!
haha you just busted this lying piece of shit.
Spiders + Water do not mix.
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haha you just busted this lying piece of shit.
Spiders + Water do not mix.
Actually they do.
They're able to survive underwater because air is trapped by tiny hairs on their abdomen and they breathe though lungs located on the undersurface of the abdomen.
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I competed naturaly for 10years.I trained for 2 hours a day back in the 1980's and and early 1990's .I was sore all the time and I couldnt get my body weight past 228lbs.
Then in 1994 I cut back my training to 45 minutes per day and 1 body part per day and my body weight shot up to 240lbs.Totally drug free.
If you look at research your natural testosterone levels & Growth Hormone levels begin to drop after45 minutes.After this happens the body begine to release cortisol.
If you ever look at a natural bodybuilder who ever dieted or over trainied they look"stringy".The reason for this is cortisol ate away all there muscle mass.
To be a top natural level bodybuilder you need to keep your workouts 45 mintes or less, train a muscle no more then once per week.Plus take in atleast 1.5 -2 grams of protein per body lb per day, along with 50 grams of L-Glutamine
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As long as you train hard, the time will decrease as necessary as the bodies effort dwindles due to muscular failure. You can either train hard and brief or like a pussy for hours. Most people benefit from doing something that falls somewhere in the middle, as it reduces the risk of both injury AND overtraining.
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Yeah, i got the scooper and went to scoop it up, then when the scooper went near it, it swam to the surface. Fucking sneaky bastards.....
Still, where i live we don't get too many of them..... 8)
Did you set it on fire?
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If you were say training, taking a break to eat and than training more I see no problem with the marathon sessions. Pretty common practice in the 50s and 60s. Like I sad though a lot of guys would take a break to eat.
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hes dead so probably not.
;D
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Actually they do.
They're able to survive underwater because air is trapped by tiny hairs on their abdomen and they breathe though lungs located on the undersurface of the abdomen.
So shave them & revel as they drown.
BTW: 45 - 60 mins for me.
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So shave them & revel as they drown.
BTW: 45 - 60 mins for me.
I just get the trusty thong and give them a good whack.....
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Waste of time.
intensity, eternity in a moment, this is the natural order.
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I train 30min to 45min max. I hit it hard, all the sets to failure and get the fuck out of there as fast as I can.
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Sydney Funnel Web?Aborigines.
Had one in the bottom of the pool like a few months ago. They sink to the bottom of the pool, stay there, then when you swim over them they swim up and bite you.
Fixed 8)
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Fixed 8)
lol
Fortunately though, there are no abos where i live..... 8)
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If you are eating enough Protein, carbs, fat daily with some Amino Acids at the right times, it will be ok with you even if you train 4 hours a day. 8)
As for me, when I am on diet I take good care of my food intake and important supplements such as Amino Acids and Glutamine mainly and I work out for about 3 hours throughout the day !! :)
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If you are eating enough Protein, carbs, fat daily with some Amino Acids at the right times, it will be ok with you even if you train 4 hours a day. 8)
As for me, when I am on diet I take good care of my food intake and important supplements such as Amino Acids and Glutamine mainly and I work out for about 3 hours throughout the day !! :)
When are you going to start training calves?
j/k, looking good mate. 8)
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When are you going to start training calves looking for a cure for your AIDS?
j/k, looking good mate. 8)
Fixed.
JK looking good mate x2.
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When are you going to start training calves?
j/k, looking good mate. 8)
Why bother myself training them while I have better calves than 2008 Mr. Olympia Dexter Jackson ..? ;D
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Fixed.
JK looking good mate x2.
;D :P
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haha you just busted this lying piece of shit.
Spiders + Water do not mix.
The Australian Funnel Web is attracted to water and can easily survive a few hours to even WEEKS submerged.
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