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Cops told NBC not to use gun clip
Politico ^
Posted on December 26, 2012, 2:29:20 PM EST by ConservativeMan55
NBC was told by the Washington, D.C., police that it was “not permissible” to show a high-capacity gun magazine on air before Sunday’s “Meet the Press,” according to a statement Wednesday from the cops.
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David Gregory will not host this Sunday's 'Meet The Press' (Last seen riding in a White Bronco?)
Politico ^ | 12/26/12 | DYLAN BYERS
Posted on December 26, 2012, 2:34:05 PM EST by jimbo123
NBC's David Gregory, the subject of a now-popular police investigation, is on vacation and will not host this Sunday's edition of "Meet The Press."
(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...
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lol... use your brain, gregory. use a prop mag for this.
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alot of good those high mag cap laws did eh.....
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alot of good those high mag cap laws did eh.....
great point, as always
the same could be said of speed limit laws
I see people speeding everyday without ever getting stopped
what's the point
shouldn't we just get rid of all speed limit laws if we can't stop everyone from speeding at all times
for that matter whats the point of having laws against murder if it doesn't stop all murder from happening
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great point, as always
the same could be said of speed limit laws
I see people speeding everyday without ever getting stopped
what's the point
shouldn't we just get rid of all speed limit laws if we can't stop everyone from speeding at all times
for that matter whats the point of having laws against murder if it doesn't stop all murder from happening
great point and it goes to the heart of the argument against you. Laws do not act as a deterent in the vast majority of cases. Isnt that one of the big argument against the death penalty.
So why do you feel you can legislate this problem away?
ESPECIALLY when the legislation you want doesnt even address the problem????????
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;D
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great point and it goes to the heart of the argument against you. Laws do not act as a deterent in the vast majority of cases. Isnt that one of the big argument against the death penalty.
So why do you feel you can legislate this problem away?
ESPECIALLY when the legislation you want doesnt even address the problem????????
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I SAID THIS NOW ?
the point of if ideas such as getting rid of high capacity magazines is not to legislate the problem away but simply to lessen the loss of life
and you can post all the video's you want of people who can change clips quickly after practicing is many time and under no stress but that doesn't change the fact that in reality these shooters are often ONLY STOPPED when they have to stop to change clips
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I SAID THIS NOW ?
the point of if ideas such as getting rid of high capacity magazines is not to legislate the problem away but simply to lessen the loss of life
and you can post all the video's you want of people who can change clips quickly after practicing is many time and under no stress but that doesn't change the fact that in reality these shooters are often ONLY STOPPED when they have to stop to change clips
McVeigh anyone?
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McVeigh anyone?
what about him
how many shooting where there in the last year - shit in the last 6 month
how many McVeight type bombings since.....McVeigh
Of course you would try to conflate one with the other but only an idiot would do that or think it was a valid argument against gun control
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what about him
how many shooting where there in the last year - shit in the last 6 month
how many McVeight type bombings since.....McVeigh
Of course you would try to conflate one with the other but only an idiot would do that or think it was a valid argument against gun control
Gun control against people like myself wont do jack shit.
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Gun control against people like myself wont do jack shit.
you own guns legally and I have no doubt you're capable of snapping one day and murdering innocent people
ideally, new gun laws would look at all of your online threats, insane, statements, etc... and verify that you are unfit to own firearms and probably even a car
unfortunately that will never happen but if we're lucky some idiot thief will break into your shithole apartment and you'll kill each other in a gunfight
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I SAID THIS NOW ?
the point of if ideas such as getting rid of high capacity magazines is not to legislate the problem away but simply to lessen the loss of life
and you can post all the video's you want of people who can change clips quickly after practicing is many time and under no stress but that doesn't change the fact that in reality these shooters are often ONLY STOPPED when they have to stop to change clips
you have one example of a guy who was rushed when changing clips and to you this makes it a reality that "OFTEN" they are stopped only when reloading?
I can name plenty of gun massacres where they were able to reload or simply used multiple guns to get around reloading and you have ONE!!!
At any rate you run into the same issue...
Laws do not deter ppl in general, ESPECIALLY those who are criminally minded and are dead set on their plans.
So why do you feel that banning high cap magazines will keep those magazines out of the hands of bad guys?
Drugs are banned and ppl dont have a problem at all getting their hands on those?
Why not address the problem at hand instead of trying to legislate the problem down by legislating the way it expresses itself?
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what about him
how many shooting where there in the last year - shit in the last 6 month
how many McVeight type bombings since.....McVeigh
Of course you would try to conflate one with the other but only an idiot would do that or think it was a valid argument against gun control
its not an argument against gun control its an argument for addressing the ACTUAL PROBLEM...
even if we get rid of guns these sociopaths will still kill ppl, do you understand that?
why not address teh problem?
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you own guns legally and I have no doubt you're capable of snapping one day and murdering innocent people
ideally, new gun laws would look at all of your online threats, insane, statements, etc... and verify that you are unfit to own firearms and probably even a car
unfortunately that will never happen but if we're lucky some idiot thief will break into your shithole apartment and you'll kill each other in a gunfight
LOL - I have training , clearances, full carry in NYS which is FNG hard to get, etc.
I hope a bunch of delusioinal leftist communists thugs try to confiscate weapons.
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you own guns legally and I have no doubt you're capable of snapping one day and murdering innocent people
ideally, new gun laws would look at all of your online threats, insane, statements, etc... and verify that you are unfit to own firearms and probably even a car
unfortunately that will never happen but if we're lucky some idiot thief will break into your shithole apartment and you'll kill each other in a gunfight
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its not an argument against gun control its an argument for addressing the ACTUAL PROBLEM...
even if we get rid of guns these sociopaths will still kill ppl, do you understand that?
why not address teh problem?
yes, the problem is INSANE people getting their hands on guns or sometimes NOT INSANE people getting their hands on guns
what do you suggest as a solution
btw - the CO shooter had a 100 round drum magazine
do you think there might have been less dead people if he didn't have that
Your belief sees to be that banning high capacity magazine won't do any good
I say it will do some good from the mere fact that they will not be able to shoot as many people before having to stop
I see no reason why we shouldn't try that and the next time a shooter has to stop after 10 shots rather than 30 shots or 100 shots we can see who is correct
the CO shooter had a 100 round drum magazine that jammed after 30 shots
do you think a LOT more people would have died if he was able to get through 100 rounds
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LOL - I have training , clearances, full carry in NYS which is FNG hard to get, etc.
I hope a bunch of delusioinal leftist communists thugs try to confiscate weapons.
If only our laws included reviewing your online "life" you'd never be able to get near a gun for the rest of your miserable life
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yes, the problem is INSANE people getting their hands on guns or sometimes NOT INSANE people getting their hands on guns
what do you suggest as a solution
btw - the CO shooter had a 100 round drum magazine
do you think there might have been less dead people if he didn't have that
Your belief sees to be that banning high capacity magazine won't do any good
I say it will do some good from the mere fact that they will not be able to shoot as many people before having to stop
I see no reason why we shouldn't try that and the next time a shooter has to stop after 10 shots rather than 30 shots or 100 shots we can see who is correct
the CO shooter had a 100 round drum magazine that jammed after 30 shots
do you think a LOT more people would have died if he was able to get through 100 rounds
LMFAO so the problem will go away if guns arent present in the equation?
those insane ppl will just not kill anyone anymore?
NEWS FLASH!!!
WEVE BANNED HIGH CAP MAGS BEFORE!!!!
IT DIDNT FUKING WORK!!!!!!!!!
the hollywood shoot out during the bank robbery, you remember?
high cap mags were banned....
COLUMBINE???
HIGH CAP MAGS WERE BANNED!!!
ADDRESS THE FUKING PROBLEM!!![b/]
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LMFAO so the problem will go away if guns arent present in the equation?
those insane ppl will just not kill anyone anymore?
NEWS FLASH!!!
WEVE BANNED HIGH CAP MAGS BEFORE!!!!
IT DIDNT FUKING WORK!!!!!!!!!
the hollywood shoot out during the bank robbery, you remember?
high cap mags were banned....
COLUMBINE???
HIGH CAP MAGS WERE BANNED!!!
ADDRESS THE FUKING PROBLEM!!![b/]
when you said "it didn't work" you mean it didn't COMPLETELY ERADICATE THE PROBLEM
are you aware of the loopholes in the former law
btw
let's agree on the problem
the problem as I see it is that people intent on committing mass murder can easily do so with guns
whether the person is insane, angry or whatever the problem is they can easily murder many people very quickly with guns
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when you said "it didn't work" you mean it didn't COMPLETELY ERADICATE THE PROBLEM
are you aware of the loopholes in the former law
btw
let's agree on the problem
the problem as I see it is that people intent on committing mass murder can easily do so with guns
whether the person is insane, angry or whatever the problem is they can easily murder many people very quickly with guns
No, absolutely not...
the problem is ppl with the intent on mass murder, FUKING PERIOD
no guns are in that equation, guns are just the medium they often use to fulfill that goal.
Without guns the original problem still exists!!!
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No, absolutely not...
the problem is ppl with the intent on mass murder, FUKING PERIOD
no guns are in that equation, guns are just the medium they often use to fulfill that goal.
Without guns the original problem still exists!!!
really, so if guns aren't part of the problem then show me all the mass murder since Columbine that didn't include a gun
Here's the list of all the mass murders from Columbine forward that did include a gun
On Friday morning, 27 people were reportedly shot and killed at Sandy Hook elementary school in Newtown, CT. According to sources, 18 of these casualties were children. This is the second mass shooting in the US this week, after a gunman opened fire in an Oregon shopping mall on Tuesday, killing 2. ABC News reports that there have been 31 school shootings in the US since Columbine in 1999, when 13 people were killed.
The rate of people killed by guns in the US is 19.5 times higher than similar high-income countries in the world. In the last 30 years since 1982, America has mourned at least 61 mass murders. Below is a timeline of mass shootings in the US since the Columbine High massacre:
December 11, 2012. On Tuesday, 22-year-old Jacob Tyler Roberts killed 2 people and himself with a stolen rifle in Clackamas Town Center, Oregon. His motive is unknown.
September 27, 2012. Five were shot to death by 36-year-old Andrew Engeldinger at Accent Signage Systems in Minneapolis, MN. Three others were wounded. Engeldinger went on a rampage after losing his job, ultimately killing himself.
August 5, 2012. Six Sikh temple members were killed when 40-year-old US Army veteran Wade Michael Page opened fire in a gurdwara in Oak Creek, Wisconsin. Four others were injured, and Page killed himself.
July 20, 2012. During the midnight premiere of The Dark Knight Rises in Aurora, CO, 24-year-old James Holmes killed 12 people and wounded 58. Holmes was arrested outside the theater.
May 29, 2012. Ian Stawicki opened fire on Cafe Racer Espresso in Seattle, WA, killing 5 and himself after a citywide manhunt.
April 6, 2012. Jake England, 19, and Alvin Watts, 32, shot 5 black men in Tulsa, Oklahoma, in racially motivated shooting spree. Three died.
April 2, 2012. A former student, 43-year-old One L. Goh killed 7 people at Oikos University, a Korean Christian college in Oakland, CA. The shooting was the sixth-deadliest school massacre in the US and the deadliest attack on a school since the 2007 Virginia Tech massacre.
February 27, 2012. Three students were killed by Thomas “TJ” Lane, another student, in a rampage at Chardon High School in Chardon, OH. Three others were injured.
October 14, 2011. Eight people died in a shooting at Salon Meritage hair salon in Seal Beach, CA. The gunman, 41-year-old Scott Evans Dekraai, killed six women and two men dead, while just one woman survived. It was Orange County’s deadliest mass killing.
September 6, 2011. Eduardo Sencion, 32, entered an IHOP restaurant in Carson City, NV and shot 12 people. Five died, including three National Guard members.
January 8, 2011. Former Rep. Gabby Giffords (D-AZ) was shot in the head when 22-year-old Jared Loughner opened fire on an event she was holding at a Safeway market in Tucson, AZ. Six people died, including Arizona District Court Chief Judge John Roll, one of Giffords’ staffers, and a 9-year-old girl. 19 total were shot. Loughner has been sentenced to seven life terms plus 140 years, without parole.
August 3, 2010. Omar S. Thornton, 34, gunned down Hartford Beer Distributor in Manchester, CT after getting caught stealing beer. Nine were killed, including Thornton, and two were injured.
November 5, 2009. Forty-three people were shot by Army psychiatrist Nidal Malik Hasan at the Fort Hood army base in Texas. Hasan reportedly yelled “Allahu Akbar!” before opening fire, killing 13 and wounding 29 others.
April 3, 2009. Jiverly Wong, 41, opened fire at an immigration center in Binghamton, New York before committing suicide. He killed 13 people and wounded 4.
March 29, 2009. Eight people died in a shooting at the Pinelake Health and Rehab nursing home in Carthage, NC. The gunman, 45-year-old Robert Stewart, was targeting his estranged wife who worked at the home and survived. Stewart was sentenced to life in prison.
February 14, 2008. Steven Kazmierczak, 27, opened fire in a lecture hall at Northern Illinois University, killing 6 and wounding 21. The gunman shot and killed himself before police arrived. It was the fifth-deadliest university shooting in US history.
February 7, 2008. Six people died and two were injured in a shooting spree at the City Hall in Kirkwood, Missouri. The gunman, Charles Lee Thornton, opened fire during a public meeting after being denied construction contracts he believed he deserved. Thornton was killed by police.
December 5, 2007. A 19-year-old boy, Robert Hawkins, shot up a department store in the Westroads Mall in Omaha, NE. Hawkins killed 9 people and wounded 4 before killing himself. The semi-automatic rifle he used was stolen from his stepfather’s house.
April 16, 2007. Virginia Tech became the site of the deadliest school shooting in US history when a student, Seung-Hui Choi, gunned down 56 people. Thirty-two people died in the massacre.
February 12, 2007. In Salt Lake City’s Trolley Square Mall, 5 people were shot to death and 4 others were wounded by 18-year-old gunman Sulejman Talović. One of the victims was a 16-year-old boy.
October 2, 2006. An Amish schoolhouse in Lancaster, PA was gunned down by 32-year-old Charles Carl Roberts, Roberts separated the boys from the girls, binding and shooting the girls. 5 young girls died, while 6 were injured. Roberts committed suicide afterward.
March 25, 2006. Seven died and 2 were injured by 28-year-old Kyle Aaron Huff in a shooting spree through Capitol Hill in Seattle, WA. The massacre was the worst killing in Seattle since 1983.
March 21, 2005. Teenager Jeffrey Weise killed his grandfather and his grandfather’s girlfriend before opening fire on Red Lake Senior High School, killing 9 people on campus and injuring 5. Weise killed himself.
March 12, 2005. A Living Church of God meeting was gunned down by 44-year-old church member Terry Michael Ratzmann at a Sheraton hotel in Brookfield, WI. Ratzmann was thought to have had religious motivations, and killed himself after executing the pastor, the pastor’s 16-year-old son, and 7 others. Four were wounded.
July 8, 2003. Doug Williams, a Lockheed Martin employee, shot up his plant in Meridian, MS in a racially-motivated rampage. He shot 14 people, most of them African American, and killed 7 before killing himself.
December 26, 2000. Edgewater Technology employee Michael “Mucko” McDermott shot and killed seven of his coworkers at the office in Wakefield, MA. McDermott claimed he had “traveled back in time and killed Hitler and the last 6 Nazis.” He was sentenced to 7 consecutive life sentences.
September 15, 1999. Larry Gene Ashbrook opened fire on a Christian rock concert and teen prayer rally at Wedgewood Baptist Church in Fort Worth, TX. He killed 7 people and wounded 7 others, almost all teenagers. Ashbrook committed suicide.
July 29, 1999. Mark Orrin Barton, 44, murdered his wife and two children with a hammer before shooting up two Atlanta day trading firms. Barton, a day trader, was believed to be motivated by huge monetary losses. He killed 12 including his family and injured 13 before killing himself.
April 20, 1999. In the deadliest high school shooting in US history, teenagers Eric Harris and Dylan Kiebold shot up Columbine High School in Littleton, CO. They killed 13 people and wounded 21 others. They killed themselves after the massacre.
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great point, as always
the same could be said of speed limit laws
I see people speeding everyday without ever getting stopped
what's the point
shouldn't we just get rid of all speed limit laws if we can't stop everyone from speeding at all times
for that matter whats the point of having laws against murder if it doesn't stop all murder from happening
::) LOL and you were just making a bitch about others having dumb arguments in all this...
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Why are we limiting them to after columbine?
Oklahoma city and 9/11 have far greater numbers of dead and they didnt use guns...
so you think that these ppl wouldnt have killed anyone if they didnt have access to guns?
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So lets clarify your stance straw.
youre ok with crazy ppl killing innocent ppl just not in mass?
what number is to many at one time for you?
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::) LOL and you were just making a bitch about others having dumb arguments in all this...
pointing out the absurdity of suggesting that gun laws don't do any good (i.e. that even with laws we still will have gun violence)
the argument seem to be if we can't get rid of all gun violence then why bother doing anything at all
That is the dumb argument that I"m talking about
Obviously you missed the point too
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Why are we limiting them to after columbine?
Oklahoma city and 9/11 have far greater numbers of dead and they didnt use guns...
so you think that these ppl wouldnt have killed anyone if they didnt have access to guns?
fine - show me how many bombing there have been in OK City
btw - aren't there laws to prevent that kind of thing too
they didn't seem to work in that case either
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pointing out the absurdity of suggesting that gun laws don't do any good (i.e. that even with laws we still will have gun violence)
the argument seem to be if we can't get rid of all gun violence then why bother doing anything at all
That is the dumb argument that I"m talking about
Obviously you missed the point too
The dumb argument is that by passing legislation that has already proven to not work we can stop crazy ppl from killing others.
All you will be doing is replacing gun violence with other forms of violence and thats IF THE LEGISLATION makes a difference which we all know it wont b/c CRIMINALS DONT FOLLOW LAWS!!!!
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So lets clarify your stance straw.
youre ok with crazy ppl killing innocent ppl just not in mass?
what number is to many at one time for you?
do you really truly believe that is my position
be honest
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fine - show me how many bombing there have been in OK City
btw - aren't there laws to prevent that kind of thing too
they didn't seem to work in that case either
http://stephenewright.com/fromthebluff/2008/10/23/the-butcher%e2%80%99s-bill-%e2%80%93-non-gun-mass-murders/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=980980
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2012/07/aurora_shooting_how_did_people_commit_mass_murder_before_automatic_weapons_.html
"Guns aren’t even the most lethal mass murder weapon. According to data compiled by Grant Duwe of the Minnesota Department of Corrections, guns killed an average of 4.92 victims per mass murder in the United States during the 20th century, just edging out knives, blunt objects, and bare hands, which killed 4.52 people per incident. Fire killed 6.82 people per mass murder, while explosives far outpaced the other options at 20.82. Of the 25 deadliest mass murders in the 20th century, only 52 percent involved guns."
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The dumb argument is that by passing legislation that has already proven to not work we can stop crazy ppl from killing others.[/b]
All you will be doing is replacing gun violence with other forms of violence and thats IF THE LEGISLATION makes a difference which we all know it wont b/c CRIMINALS DONT FOLLOW LAWS!!!!
why do you keep making that idiotic statement when I've told you repeatedly that is NOT was the purpose of some of the proposed ideas
I seriously don't understand when I've told you this many time why you keep repeating it
are you stupid or just playing stupid?
I'm having hard time telling the difference at this point
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btw - aren't there laws to prevent that kind of thing too
they didn't seem to work in that case either
THATS B/C THEY DIDNT ADDRESS THE FUKING PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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do you really truly believe that is my position
be honest
If you truly believe that guns are a part of the problem then yes....
if you believe that the problem is crazy ppl wanting to kill others it doesnt matter if its one or twenty that they kill.
But you want to focus in on guns knowing full well that even if they dont have guns they will still kill ppl.
So your problem isnt that they want to kill others its that they want to kill others in mass.....
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http://stephenewright.com/fromthebluff/2008/10/23/the-butcher%e2%80%99s-bill-%e2%80%93-non-gun-mass-murders/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=980980
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2012/07/aurora_shooting_how_did_people_commit_mass_murder_before_automatic_weapons_.html
"Guns aren’t even the most lethal mass murder weapon. According to data compiled by Grant Duwe of the Minnesota Department of Corrections, guns killed an average of 4.92 victims per mass murder in the United States during the 20th century, just edging out knives, blunt objects, and bare hands, which killed 4.52 people per incident. Fire killed 6.82 people per mass murder, while explosives far outpaced the other options at 20.82. Of the 25 deadliest mass murders in the 20th century, only 52 percent involved guns."
so no recent examples ?
why didn't the shooter in CT just break into the school and use his bare hands to kill all those kids or why didn't he just set them on fire
you know why
because the gun was a lot easier and more efficient
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THATS B/C THEY DIDNT ADDRESS THE FUKING PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
we don't agree on the problem so we'll never agree on the solution
moreover you either seem to choose to draw patently absurd conclusions or you are really truly believe absurd positions on the subject
not much farther to go here
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so no recent examples ?
why didn't the shooter in CT just break into the school and use his bare hands to kill all those kids or why didn't he just set them on fire
you know why
because the gun was a lot easier and more efficient
There were plenty of recent examples in those 3 links...
Easier maybe more efficient not hardly...did you pay attention to my post earlier?
"Guns aren’t even the most lethal mass murder weapon. According to data compiled by Grant Duwe of the Minnesota Department of Corrections, guns killed an average of 4.92 victims per mass murder in the United States during the 20th century, just edging out knives, blunt objects, and bare hands, which killed 4.52 people per incident. Fire killed 6.82 people per mass murder, while explosives far outpaced the other options at 20.82. Of the 25 deadliest mass murders in the 20th century, only 52 percent involved guns."
Read that again straw explosives are the most efficient
Do you think this kid wouldnt have killed ppl without guns?
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we don't agree on the problem so we'll never agree on the solution
moreover you either seem to choose to draw patently absurd conclusions or you are really truly believe absurd positions on the subject
not much farther to go here
yes your view is that the problem is that crazy ppl want to use guns to kill mass amounts of ppl.
and your solution is to limit the access to types of accessories for guns to help limit the amount of killings.
Nevermind that the urge to kill mass amounts of ppl is still perfectly intact and that there are a plethora of ways to do so.
Bravo at your pragmatism!!!!!
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really, so if guns aren't part of the problem then show me all the mass murder since Columbine that didn't include a gun
Here's the list of all the mass murders from Columbine forward that did include a gun
On Friday morning, 27 people were reportedly shot and killed at Sandy Hook elementary school in Newtown, CT. According to sources, 18 of these casualties were children. This is the second mass shooting in the US this week, after a gunman opened fire in an Oregon shopping mall on Tuesday, killing 2. ABC News reports that there have been 31 school shootings in the US since Columbine in 1999, when 13 people were killed.
The rate of people killed by guns in the US is 19.5 times higher than similar high-income countries in the world. In the last 30 years since 1982, America has mourned at least 61 mass murders. Below is a timeline of mass shootings in the US since the Columbine High massacre:
December 11, 2012. On Tuesday, 22-year-old Jacob Tyler Roberts killed 2 people and himself with a stolen rifle in Clackamas Town Center, Oregon. His motive is unknown.
September 27, 2012. Five were shot to death by 36-year-old Andrew Engeldinger at Accent Signage Systems in Minneapolis, MN. Three others were wounded. Engeldinger went on a rampage after losing his job, ultimately killing himself.
August 5, 2012. Six Sikh temple members were killed when 40-year-old US Army veteran Wade Michael Page opened fire in a gurdwara in Oak Creek, Wisconsin. Four others were injured, and Page killed himself.
July 20, 2012. During the midnight premiere of The Dark Knight Rises in Aurora, CO, 24-year-old James Holmes killed 12 people and wounded 58. Holmes was arrested outside the theater.
May 29, 2012. Ian Stawicki opened fire on Cafe Racer Espresso in Seattle, WA, killing 5 and himself after a citywide manhunt.
April 6, 2012. Jake England, 19, and Alvin Watts, 32, shot 5 black men in Tulsa, Oklahoma, in racially motivated shooting spree. Three died.
April 2, 2012. A former student, 43-year-old One L. Goh killed 7 people at Oikos University, a Korean Christian college in Oakland, CA. The shooting was the sixth-deadliest school massacre in the US and the deadliest attack on a school since the 2007 Virginia Tech massacre.
February 27, 2012. Three students were killed by Thomas TJ Lane, another student, in a rampage at Chardon High School in Chardon, OH. Three others were injured.
October 14, 2011. Eight people died in a shooting at Salon Meritage hair salon in Seal Beach, CA. The gunman, 41-year-old Scott Evans Dekraai, killed six women and two men dead, while just one woman survived. It was Orange Countys deadliest mass killing.
September 6, 2011. Eduardo Sencion, 32, entered an IHOP restaurant in Carson City, NV and shot 12 people. Five died, including three National Guard members.
January 8, 2011. Former Rep. Gabby Giffords (D-AZ) was shot in the head when 22-year-old Jared Loughner opened fire on an event she was holding at a Safeway market in Tucson, AZ. Six people died, including Arizona District Court Chief Judge John Roll, one of Giffords staffers, and a 9-year-old girl. 19 total were shot. Loughner has been sentenced to seven life terms plus 140 years, without parole.
August 3, 2010. Omar S. Thornton, 34, gunned down Hartford Beer Distributor in Manchester, CT after getting caught stealing beer. Nine were killed, including Thornton, and two were injured.
November 5, 2009. Forty-three people were shot by Army psychiatrist Nidal Malik Hasan at the Fort Hood army base in Texas. Hasan reportedly yelled Allahu Akbar! before opening fire, killing 13 and wounding 29 others.
April 3, 2009. Jiverly Wong, 41, opened fire at an immigration center in Binghamton, New York before committing suicide. He killed 13 people and wounded 4.
March 29, 2009. Eight people died in a shooting at the Pinelake Health and Rehab nursing home in Carthage, NC. The gunman, 45-year-old Robert Stewart, was targeting his estranged wife who worked at the home and survived. Stewart was sentenced to life in prison.
February 14, 2008. Steven Kazmierczak, 27, opened fire in a lecture hall at Northern Illinois University, killing 6 and wounding 21. The gunman shot and killed himself before police arrived. It was the fifth-deadliest university shooting in US history.
February 7, 2008. Six people died and two were injured in a shooting spree at the City Hall in Kirkwood, Missouri. The gunman, Charles Lee Thornton, opened fire during a public meeting after being denied construction contracts he believed he deserved. Thornton was killed by police.
December 5, 2007. A 19-year-old boy, Robert Hawkins, shot up a department store in the Westroads Mall in Omaha, NE. Hawkins killed 9 people and wounded 4 before killing himself. The semi-automatic rifle he used was stolen from his stepfathers house.
April 16, 2007. Virginia Tech became the site of the deadliest school shooting in US history when a student, Seung-Hui Choi, gunned down 56 people. Thirty-two people died in the massacre.
February 12, 2007. In Salt Lake Citys Trolley Square Mall, 5 people were shot to death and 4 others were wounded by 18-year-old gunman Sulejman Talović. One of the victims was a 16-year-old boy.
October 2, 2006. An Amish schoolhouse in Lancaster, PA was gunned down by 32-year-old Charles Carl Roberts, Roberts separated the boys from the girls, binding and shooting the girls. 5 young girls died, while 6 were injured. Roberts committed suicide afterward.
March 25, 2006. Seven died and 2 were injured by 28-year-old Kyle Aaron Huff in a shooting spree through Capitol Hill in Seattle, WA. The massacre was the worst killing in Seattle since 1983.
March 21, 2005. Teenager Jeffrey Weise killed his grandfather and his grandfathers girlfriend before opening fire on Red Lake Senior High School, killing 9 people on campus and injuring 5. Weise killed himself.
March 12, 2005. A Living Church of God meeting was gunned down by 44-year-old church member Terry Michael Ratzmann at a Sheraton hotel in Brookfield, WI. Ratzmann was thought to have had religious motivations, and killed himself after executing the pastor, the pastors 16-year-old son, and 7 others. Four were wounded.
July 8, 2003. Doug Williams, a Lockheed Martin employee, shot up his plant in Meridian, MS in a racially-motivated rampage. He shot 14 people, most of them African American, and killed 7 before killing himself.
December 26, 2000. Edgewater Technology employee Michael Mucko McDermott shot and killed seven of his coworkers at the office in Wakefield, MA. McDermott claimed he had traveled back in time and killed Hitler and the last 6 Nazis. He was sentenced to 7 consecutive life sentences.
September 15, 1999. Larry Gene Ashbrook opened fire on a Christian rock concert and teen prayer rally at Wedgewood Baptist Church in Fort Worth, TX. He killed 7 people and wounded 7 others, almost all teenagers. Ashbrook committed suicide.
July 29, 1999. Mark Orrin Barton, 44, murdered his wife and two children with a hammer before shooting up two Atlanta day trading firms. Barton, a day trader, was believed to be motivated by huge monetary losses. He killed 12 including his family and injured 13 before killing himself.
April 20, 1999. In the deadliest high school shooting in US history, teenagers Eric Harris and Dylan Kiebold shot up Columbine High School in Littleton, CO. They killed 13 people and wounded 21 others. They killed themselves after the massacre.
How many of these incidents involved high cap magazines straw?
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There were plenty of recent examples in those 3 links...
Easier maybe more efficient not hardly...did you pay attention to my post earlier?
"Guns aren’t even the most lethal mass murder weapon. According to data compiled by Grant Duwe of the Minnesota Department of Corrections, guns killed an average of 4.92 victims per mass murder in the United States during the 20th century, just edging out knives, blunt objects, and bare hands, which killed 4.52 people per incident. Fire killed 6.82 people per mass murder, while explosives far outpaced the other options at 20.82. Of the 25 deadliest mass murders in the 20th century, only 52 percent involved guns."
Read that again straw explosives are the most efficient
Do you think this kid wouldnt have killed ppl without guns?
you takes from ALL kinds of violent events (many where guns probalby weren't even available) and then try to use that as some kind of proof of what exactly.....?
I don't think this kid would have been able to kill 27 people without being stopped first if he did not have a gun
btw - I'm not suggesting nor have never suggested we can or should get rid of all guns
All I've ever said is that we can try to do some things to 1) lessen the incidents of gun violence and 2) lessen the loss of life when gun violence happens
THAT'S IT
THAT'S ALL I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS ENTIRE TIME
It's not going to totally eliminate the problem and I never said it would
It's not going to turn insane people into sane people and I never said it would
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How many of these incidents involved high cap magazines straw?
you tell me
there is Columbine (btw - those guys used explosives - remind me again of how many people died from the explosive)
Aurora
AZ
CT
and probably more if I went back and looked at the details
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you takes from ALL kinds of violent events (many where guns probalby weren't even available) and then try to use that as some kind of proof of what exactly.....?
I don't think this kid would have been able to kill 27 people without being stopped first if he did not have a gun
btw - I'm not suggesting nor have never suggested we can or should get rid of all guns
All I've ever said is that we can try to do some things to 1) lessen the incidents of gun violence and 2) lessen the loss of life when gun violence happens
THAT'S IT
THAT'S ALL I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS ENTIRE TIME
It's not going to totally eliminate the problem and I never said it would
It's not going to turn insane people into sane people and I never said it would
And forget about the 2nd Amendment in the process right?
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Guns make it easier to kill people especially in those "heath-of- the-moment" situations ( not referring to this case).
More guns available= more deaths. Its that simple.
I wish you would just come out and say that the death people is worth it so you can have your guns. That would be called honesty and people respect that.
Your ridicilous argumentation to convince yourself that your choices is the only right ones is sad.
Own your opinions and actions.
If you think the right to bear guns outweighs the death people, just own it. Its your opinion and nobody can say its wrong. Its a choice and thats your right.
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you takes from ALL kinds of violent events (many where guns probalby weren't even available) and then try to use that as some kind of proof of what exactly.....?
I don't think this kid would have been able to kill 27 people without being stopped first if he did not have a gun
btw - I'm not suggesting nor have never suggested we can or should get rid of all guns
All I've ever said is that we can try to do some things to 1) lessen the incidents of gun violence and 2) lessen the loss of life when gun violence happens
THAT'S IT
THAT'S ALL I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS ENTIRE TIME
It's not going to totally eliminate the problem and I never said it would
It's not going to turn insane people into sane people and I never said it would
so youre agreeing with me that youre not addressing the problem and that these crazy ppl even if they dont have access to fire arms are still going to do what they do and try and commit mass murder?
then youre agreeing that the problem isnt guns, its the crazy ppl with the intent to mass murder.
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And forget about the 2nd Amendment in the process right?
2nd amendment doesn't guarantee your right to any weapon that you want
please stop being a moron and if you need help with the Constitution then go find a lawyer to explain it to you
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Guns make it easier to kill people especially in those "heath-of- the-moment" situations ( not referring to this case).
More guns available= more deaths. Its that simple.
I wish you would just come out and say that the death people is worth it so you can have your guns. That would be called honesty and people respect that.
Your ridicilous argumentation to convince yourself that your choices is the only right ones is sad.
Own your opinions and actions.
If you think the right to bear guns outweighs the death people, just own it. Its your opinion and nobody can say its wrong. Its a choice and thats your right.
Millions upon millions of guns have been sold over the last 4 years wo a significant increase in crime. Explain that,
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you tell me
there is Columbine (btw - those guys used explosives - remind me again of how many people died from the explosive)
Aurora
AZ
CT
and probably more if I went back and looked at the details
so you have 3....
how many were killed in OKC?
9/11?
to bad they didnt use guns in those incidents there would have been alot less killed.
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so you have 3....
how many were killed in OKC?
9/11?
to bad they didnt use guns in those incidents there would have been alot less killed.
3 off the top of my head because I'm not going to go and read all the details of each case
let's bottom line this thing
should we do ANYTHING to try to prevent gun violence or limit death by guns by means of laws pertaining to the use of guns
yes or no
if no, why not
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3 off the top of my head because I'm not going to go and read all the details of each case
let's bottom line this thing
should we do ANYTHING to try to prevent gun violence or limit death by guns by means of laws pertaining to the use of guns
yes or no
if no, why not
Yes - incarcerate felons and violent thugs and gang members for longer sentences since those groups make up the far majority of gun crimes.
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3 off the top of my head because I'm not going to go and read all the details of each case
let's bottom line this thing
should we do ANYTHING to try to prevent gun violence or limit death by guns by means of laws pertaining to the use of guns
yes or no
if no, why not
sure absolutely we should
now lets bottom line this again
should we spend more time addressing the actual root of the problem or one of the more common expressions of the problem(even though it accounts for less deaths than other forms)?
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Yes - incarcerate felons and violent thugs and gang members for longer sentences since those groups make up the far majority of gun crimes.
yet no one on this list of mass murder using guns fit that description and most felons violent gang member will eventually wind up in jail
those are the not the people committing mass murder with guns (at least not in one day in a matter of a few minutes)
once again, you're just dumb as a box of rocks
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yes your view is that the problem is that crazy ppl want to use guns to kill mass amounts of ppl.
and your solution is to limit the access to types of accessories for guns to help limit the amount of killings.
Nevermind that the urge to kill mass amounts of ppl is still perfectly intact and that there are a plethora of ways to do so.
Bravo at your pragmatism!!!!!
Bravo on your laziness
I assume (correct me if I'm wrong) that we simply shouldn't bother with any gun laws because the crazy people will still go commit all the same mass murder anyone
Yes or No?
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yet no one on this list of mass murder using guns fit that description and most felons violent gang member will eventually wind up in jail
those are the not the people committing mass murder with guns (at least not in one day in a matter of a few minutes)
once again, you're just dumb as a box of rocks
That is because mass murderers are rare overall in terms of the bigger problem, which you refuse to deal with since it means going after the left wing voting blocs.
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so youre agreeing with me that youre not addressing the problem and that these crazy ppl even if they dont have access to fire arms are still going to do what they do and try and commit mass murder?
then youre agreeing that the problem isnt guns, its the crazy ppl with the intent to mass murder.
have you already forgotten that you and I don't agree on "the problem"
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yet no one on this list of mass murder using guns fit that description and most felons violent gang member will eventually wind up in jail
those are the not the people committing mass murder with guns (at least not in one day in a matter of a few minutes)
once again, you're just dumb as a box of rocks
so again we are back to youre premise that its not the fact that ppl are being killed is that ppl are being killed in mass
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sure absolutely we should
now lets bottom line this again
should we spend more time addressing the actual root of the problem or one of the more common expressions of the problem(even though it accounts for less deaths than other forms)?
so you agree that we should do something on the "gun" side of the equation ?
amazing, that must mean you think guns are a part of the problem otherwise your answer would be no
so what do you suggest
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Bravo on your laziness
I assume (correct me if I'm wrong) that we simply shouldn't bother with any gun laws because the crazy people will still go commit all the same mass murder anyone
Yes or No?
I already addressed this...
sure absolutely we should
now lets bottom line this again
should we spend more time addressing the actual root of the problem or one of the more common expressions of the problem(even though it accounts for less deaths than other forms)?
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so you agree that we should do something on the "gun" side of the equation ?
amazing, that must mean you think guns are a part of the problem otherwise your answer would be no
so what do you suggest
LOL not at all, the problem is crazy ppl
you see OKC, 9/11, Knife attacks of which there are plenty all stem from the problem...
you see if even if you take away guns all together the root problem is still there, do you agree?
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so again we are back to youre premise that its not the fact that ppl are being killed is that ppl are being killed in mass
people die every day from guns but we never hear about it on the news until it's some person who kill numerous people
It's your contention and not mine that the number of people killed is an issue as if there is some lessor # that is fine
As I said on another thread, if we could just find a way to make sure these nuts only kill themselves and no one else then I'm sure we'd all be fine with that.. at least I know I would
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so you agree that we should do something on the "gun" side of the equation ?
amazing, that must mean you think guns are a part of the problem otherwise your answer would be no
so what do you suggest
Ill answer your question after youve answered mine...
should we spend more time addressing the actual root of the problem or one of the more common expressions of the problem(even though it accounts for less deaths than other forms)?
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It's your contention and not mine that the number of people killed is an issue as if there is some lessor # that is fine
its not my contention...
you just made it perfectly fucking clear!!!!
You said we dont need to address the everyday deaths from guns only the mass murders
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LOL not at all, the problem is crazy ppl
you see OKC, 9/11, Knife attacks of which there are plenty all stem from the problem...
you see if even if you take away guns all together the root problem is still there, do you agree?
again, you and I don't agree
there are hundreds of thousands if not a million or more "crazy" people in this country
the problem is not that they are crazy it's that they can get their hands on guns (a problem will will never eradicate) and that often they get their hands on guns that allow them to kill 10, 15, 20 people in a matter of seconds
it's a completely childish conclusion to pretend it's just crazy people and it even contradicts your own answer of "yes" when I asked you if we should do anything from the "gun side" to mitigate this problem
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How about we address the problem?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-krauthammer-the-roots-of-mass-murder/2012/12/20/e4d99594-4ae3-11e2-b709-667035ff9029_story.html
"A tiny percentage of the mentally ill become mass killers. Just about everyone around Tucson shooter Jared Loughner sensed he was mentally ill and dangerous. But in effect, he had to kill before he could be put away — and (forcibly) treated.
Random mass killings were three times more common in the 2000s than in the 1980s, when gun laws were actually weaker. Yet a 2011 University of California at Berkeley study found that states with strong civil commitment laws have about a one-third lower homicide rate."
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Ill answer your question after youve answered mine...
should we spend more time addressing the actual root of the problem or one of the more common expressions of the problem(even though it accounts for less deaths than other forms)?
we don't agree on the problem
remember?
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How about we address the problem?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-krauthammer-the-roots-of-mass-murder/2012/12/20/e4d99594-4ae3-11e2-b709-667035ff9029_story.html
"A tiny percentage of the mentally ill become mass killers. Just about everyone around Tucson shooter Jared Loughner sensed he was mentally ill and dangerous. But in effect, he had to kill before he could be put away — and (forcibly) treated.
Random mass killings were three times more common in the 2000s than in the 1980s, when gun laws were actually weaker. Yet a 2011 University of California at Berkeley study found that states with strong civil commitment laws have about a one-third lower homicide rate."
great job disproving your own premise that crazy people are the problem
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again, you and I don't agree
there are hundreds of thousands if not a million or more "crazy" people in this country
the problem is not that they are crazy it's that they can get their hands on guns (a problem will will never eradicate) and that often they get their hands on guns that allow them to kill 10, 15, 20 people in a matter of seconds
it's a completely childish conclusion to pretend it's just crazy people and it even contradicts your own answer of "yes" when I asked you if we should do anything from the "gun side" to mitigate this problem
Lets do a little math shall we?
your idea of the problem
Crazy ppl + Guns = Mass Murder
Your Solution = Subtract guns
Crazy ppl + Bombs, knifes, cars, airplane etc = Mass Murder
My idea of the problem
Crazy ppl + Guns, bombs, knifes, cars, airplanes etc = Mass Murder
My solution = Subtract crazy ppl
Guns, bombs, knifes, cars, airplanes etc = NO MASS MURDER!!!
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we don't agree on the problem
remember?
That is because you are delusional and uninformed. Mass Muderers are not a problem overall in terms of aggregate numbers.
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Lets do a little math shall we?
your idea of the problem
Crazy ppl + Guns = Mass Murder
Your Solution = Subtract guns
Crazy ppl + Bombs, knifes, cars, airplane etc = Mass Murder
My idea of the problem
Crazy ppl + Guns, bombs, knifes, cars, airplanes etc = Mass Murder
My solution = Subtract crazy ppl
Guns, bombs, knifes, cars, airplanes etc = NO MASS MURDER!!!
you've offered no solution for "subtracting" crazy people
If you have some viable solution to that I'd like to hear it
if not, then it's a bullshit attempt to avoid dealing with the real world
back in the real word we actually have proof that stronger gun laws lead to fewer gun deaths
http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Tough-gun-laws-linked-to-fewer-deaths-4145605.php
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That is because you are delusional and uninformed. Mass Muderers are not a problem overall in terms of aggregate numbers.
yes, the deaths from the mass murder incidents are but a drop in the bucket of the total gun violence deaths
no one ever said otherwise, nor is it the point
you're too stupid to be part of this conversation so STFU
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http://www.tmz.com/2012/12/26/meet-the-press-david-gregory-dc-police-atf-gun-magazine/
An official from the D.C. police told a member of the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives that David Gregory COULD display a high capacity magazine on "Meet the Press" Sunday ... TMZ has learned.
Well-placed law enforcement sources tell TMZ ... a staffer from "Meet the Press" called ATF before the show aired to inquire about the legality of David holding the empty magazine during a segment on gun control. We're told the ATF person contacted the D.C. police to find out if the District of Columbia -- the place where the show is broadcast -- had a law prohibiting such a display.
Our sources say the D.C. police official informed ATF David could legally show the magazine, provided it was empty. An ATF official then called the staffer from "Meet the Press" to inform them they could use the magazine.
D.C. police released a statement today, saying "NBC contacted the Metropolitan Police Dept. inquiring if they could utilize a high capacity magazine for this segment. NBC was informed that possession of a high capacity magazine is not permissible and the request was denied."
It appears "Meet the Press" may have gotten 2 different answers from law enforcement.
David is currently being investigated for displaying the magazine.
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2012/12/26/meet-the-press-david-gregory-dc-police-atf-gun-magazine/#ixzz2GDvNtBbi
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you've offered no solution for "subtracting" crazy people
If you have some viable solution to that I'd like to hear it
if not, then it's a bullshit attempt to avoid dealing with the real world
back in the real word we actually have proof that stronger gun laws lead to fewer gun deaths
http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Tough-gun-laws-linked-to-fewer-deaths-4145605.php
"Random mass killings were three times more common in the 2000s than in the 1980s, when gun laws were actually weaker. Yet a 2011 University of California at Berkeley study found that states with strong civil commitment laws have about a one-third lower homicide rate."
So in states with strong civil commitment laws the homicide rate is 1/3 less...Id call that pretty significant
Again address the actual problem strawman
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"Random mass killings were three times more common in the 2000s than in the 1980s, when gun laws were actually weaker. Yet a 2011 University of California at Berkeley study found that states with strong civil commitment laws have about a one-third lower homicide rate."
So in states with strong civil commitment laws the homicide rate is 1/3 less...Id call that pretty significant
Again address the actual problem strawman
Straw does not want the problem fixed since that means there is no argument left on guns for him to exploit tragedies on.
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"Random mass killings were three times more common in the 2000s than in the 1980s, when gun laws were actually weaker. Yet a 2011 University of California at Berkeley study found that states with strong civil commitment laws have about a one-third lower homicide rate."
So in states with strong civil commitment laws the homicide rate is 1/3 less...Id call that pretty significant
Again address the actual problem strawman
still waiting for you to explain your plan on "subtracting crazy people"
I assume it's the same as your plan to get rid of world hunger by "subtracting starving people"
Looking forward to hearing your solution
I'm sure you Congressperson will be interested too since and you can become famous for your brilliant solution
Let's hear it
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Millions upon millions of guns have been sold over the last 4 years wo a significant increase in crime. Explain that,
Tighter gun laws?
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Tighter gun laws?
No - how about more guns does not equal more crime?
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No - how about more guns does not equal more crime?
tighter guns laws lead to less gun violence
http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Tough-gun-laws-linked-to-fewer-deaths-4145605.php
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tighter guns laws lead to less gun violence
http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Tough-gun-laws-linked-to-fewer-deaths-4145605.php
Chicago and DC?
Wyoming and VT have almost no gun laws and are as safe as can be.
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No - how about more guns does not equal more crime?
Maybe not but the crime is more often fatal.
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Chicago and DC?
Wyoming and VT have almost no gun laws and are as safe as can be.
doesn't change the facts in the article I posted
oh wait, I forgot who I was talking to
fuck facts
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doesn't change the facts in the article I posted
oh wait, I forgot who I was talking to
fuck facts
Montana, NH, VT, Maine, WY, ND, SD, etc have almost no gun laws and are very safe.
NYC, Chicago, Detroit, DC, NJ have insane gun laws and are violent, spin it any way you like.
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Montana, NH, VT, Maine, WY, ND, SD, etc have almost no gun laws and are very safe.
NYC, Chicago, Detroit, DC, NJ have insane gun laws and are violent, spin it any way you like.
show your proof
your word is totally garbage and not even worthy of being used to wipe dog shit off my shoe
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Why are we limiting them to after columbine?
Oklahoma city and 9/11 have far greater numbers of dead and they didnt use guns...
so you think that these ppl wouldnt have killed anyone if they didnt have access to guns?
take the guns away and things will get really freak'n weird
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown_conspiracy_theory
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/1/two-systems-of-justice
Typical leftist double standards