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Title: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: The_Punisher on March 27, 2007, 07:45:35 AM
This pic was taken at Saturday night live which He, Manning, Hosted on saturday. But I heard lot of guys saying that for a Top quarterback in the NFL, his physique is not even average. My take on this is, Quarterbacks was never known for their great physiques, but in this day and age, I would advise any quarterback to have at least a decent physique. We got guys like, Steve mcnair, Culpepper, Vince young and a bunch of others QBs that are in excellent shape, and it pays to have a great upper body.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: benjamin pearson on March 27, 2007, 07:47:37 AM
hes aboutyour size, maybe he can be your training partner?
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: 240 is Back on March 27, 2007, 07:48:47 AM
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Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: Krankenstein on March 27, 2007, 07:50:25 AM
Dude....his United Way skit was absolutely hysterical!!!!   I could give a shit if his physique isnt all that great.  You cant deny he has talent!!!!

"I throw the ball, you catch it.  Its not that hard!!!!"
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: dr.chimps on March 27, 2007, 07:50:37 AM
Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.  ::)
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: The_Punisher on March 27, 2007, 07:55:02 AM
Dude....his United Way skit was absolutely hysterical!!!!   I could give a shit if his physique isnt all that great.  You cant deny he has talent!!!!

"I throw the ball, you catch it.  Its not that hard!!!!"



That skit was funny as hell. They're not talking about a quaterback's skills and talent, they're talking about Football being more and more physical these days, and how a quaterback would benefit if his physique improves. I'd have to agree. Even Tom Brady admits that he's hitting the weights more often than he used too. This has nothing to do with their skills
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: XFACTOR on March 27, 2007, 08:03:23 AM


That skit was funny as hell. They're not talking about a quaterback's skills and talent, they're talking about Football being more and more physical these days, and how a quaterback would benefit if his physique improves. I'd have to agree. Even Tom Brady admits that he's hitting the weights more often than he used too. This has nothing to do with their skills


Nah Peyton doesn't have to worry about hitting the weights.  Who cares what he looks like, the guy get's the job done day in day out.  He doesn't miss games either because of injury.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: pumpster on March 27, 2007, 08:22:13 AM
Nobody seems to notice that everything about the guy is retro, purposely or otherwise. From the face mask, the reverence for Johnny U who he tries to emulate, to the lack of athleticism in favor of pocket passing that doesn't require much running, etc. Obviously this white man doesn't have much athleticism and doesn't care either.

It would help if he wanted to improve, be better running & avoiding the rush, but in his world he's already close to his version of the perfect 1950s QB. Brady's the opposite, part of why he'll always be a bigger winner.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: Benny B on March 27, 2007, 08:23:41 AM
I thought once FatFather was exposed these dumbass threads would end.  ::)
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on March 27, 2007, 08:26:33 AM
This pic was taken at Saturday night live which He, Manning, Hosted on saturday. But I heard lot of guys saying that for a Top quarterback in the NFL, his physique is not even average. My take on this is, Quarterbacks was never known for their great physiques, but in this day and age, I would advise any quarterback to have at least a decent physique. We got guys like, Steve mcnair, Culpepper, Vince young and a bunch of others QBs that are in excellent shape, and it pays to have a great upper body.

Please, I'm dying to know what a QB's physique has to do with playing ability in this "day and age" considering just about each position has a different training protocol?
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: Tony23 on March 27, 2007, 08:40:21 AM
I love how delusional some people on here are.  I wonder where it comes from??

This is Peyton Manning.  Super Bowl winner.  Highest paid QB in the NFL.  Most endorsements next to Tiger Woods in all of sport.  Yeah, you're right...he should change what he is doing because it obviously isnt working.

 ::)
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: pumpster on March 27, 2007, 08:43:32 AM
I love how delusional some people on here are.  I wonder where it comes from??

This is Peyton Manning.  Super Bowl winner.  Highest paid QB in the NFL.  Most endorsements next to Tiger Woods in all of sport.  Yeah, you're right...he should change what he is doing because it obviously isnt working.

 ::)

Actually it didn't work until this year, hardly a ringing endorsement of his methods. Which makes you delusional, actually.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: The_Punisher on March 27, 2007, 08:50:07 AM
I love how delusional some people on here are.  I wonder where it comes from??

This is Peyton Manning.  Super Bowl winner.  Highest paid QB in the NFL.  Most endorsements next to Tiger Woods in all of sport.  Yeah, you're right...he should change what he is doing because it obviously isnt working.

 ::)



you're missing the point, Retard. Nobody's questioning his skills, contracts or endorsements. They're just saying that he wouldn't hurt as an Athlete to improve his physique. This shit has nothing to do with how much he's getting paid. get it
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: nycbull on March 27, 2007, 09:32:19 AM
Is it just people of color that do not like Peyton Manning. Is he too white for you guys?
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: Benny B on March 27, 2007, 11:16:36 AM
Is it just people of color that do not like Peyton Manning. Is he too white for you guys?
Where'd you hear that?  ???
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: Croatch on March 27, 2007, 12:08:50 PM
Yeah, Manning is a real loser.  If he brought his chest up, he could move up a few ranks on the getbig boards....haha ::)
Guys who are 6' 5" aren't really that muscular, unless their on gear or black.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: HUGEPECS on March 27, 2007, 12:18:03 PM
I'm sure it's been well documented that weight training benefit athletes of almost everything you can call a sport. Tiger woods swears by his consistenty in the weight room, and said that he's got more powerful swings, Phil mickelson all of a sudden starts lifting, too. No matter how good a QB is, if he's big and strong, he'll handle a sack well, I think.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: onlyme on March 27, 2007, 12:29:15 PM


you're missing the point, Retard. Nobody's questioning his skills, contracts or endorsements. They're just saying that he wouldn't hurt as an Athlete to improve his physique. This shit has nothing to do with how much he's getting paid. get it

Why would he do this.  You say it wouldn't hurt but it could.  He could get while lifting or even get a little too much muscle and not be able to move or throw as well.  So YES it could hurt him.  Take down this thread cause it really shows some ignorance.  This is something our resident gay Indian (not teepee, but poopoo) would post
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: ATHEIST on March 27, 2007, 12:34:18 PM


That skit was funny as hell. They're not talking about a quaterback's skills and talent, they're talking about Football being more and more physical these days, and how a quaterback would benefit if his physique improves. I'd have to agree. Even Tom Brady admits that he's hitting the weights more often than he used too. This has nothing to do with their skills
 
  if his physique has nothing to do with his skills then why the hell would Peyton give a crap?? He is trained by the absolute best, their only goal is to ensure that all his training supports what he does on the field. Im pretty sure Peyton isnt in the gym worried about what "the punisher" thinks of his bod.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: ATHEIST on March 27, 2007, 12:38:51 PM
No matter how good a QB is, if he's big and strong, he'll handle a sack well, I think.

  being big and strong is good for getting hit but doesnt translate to the mechanics of throwing a football to well. Take a look at all the best QB's in the league. Peyton, Brady, Brees, Bulger, and whoever else there is. also look in the recent past, Marino, Elway, Montana, Young, Moon
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: HUGEPECS on March 27, 2007, 12:47:46 PM
  being big and strong is good for getting hit but doesnt translate to the mechanics of throwing a football to well. Take a look at all the best QB's in the league. Peyton, Brady, Brees, Bulger, and whoever else there is. also look in the recent past, Marino, Elway, Montana, Young, Moon


He doesn't need to get buff or anything like that. When Steve Mcnair got into the league a couple years ago, everybody was talking how strong he was as a QB, because QB's was never known to be buff and strong, especially those who can scramble well, I think the question is a little weight training, not too much, is always good.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: The_Punisher on March 27, 2007, 12:49:35 PM
Why would he do this.  You say it wouldn't hurt but it could.  He could get while lifting or even get a little too much muscle and not be able to move or throw as well.  So YES it could hurt him.  Take down this thread cause it really shows some ignorance.  This is something our resident gay Indian (not teepee, but poopoo) would post



Don't you have some leftover Donuts you need to take care of, Sea lion
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on March 27, 2007, 12:55:25 PM
I'm sure Peyton works out with weights extensively. You almost have to in order to be a player in the NFL.

But he's 6'5" and it's hard to build muscle naturally. Why would he need to anyway? He's built like a quarterback. Dan Marino wasn't muscular either.

I know this is a bodybuilding board but this is a stupid thread.

Start one about Brady Quinn's physique. He's impressive looking, no doubt. Saw him at the NFL combine with his shirt off and he has very built up physique. Pics anyone?
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: ATHEIST on March 27, 2007, 12:58:22 PM

He doesn't need to get buff or anything like that. When Steve Mcnair got into the league a couple years ago, everybody was talking how strong he was as a QB, because QB's was never known to be buff and strong, especially those who can scramble well, I think the question is a little weight training, not too much, is always good.

   I get your point, well put. however in terms of lifting weights to look good on tv, thats ridiculous considering the other things Peyton has to concern himself with. Im sure the trainers at Indianapolis are solely focused on performance on the field and not anything else. Yes i do remember when Steve McNair first arrived it took me a while to be a believer in him and his abilities. As of late Steve has always been fighting injuries, hopefully he can stay decently healthy for another year. He is perfect testimony that intellect and leadership will overcome physical ability later in a career.  
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: onlyme on March 27, 2007, 01:15:20 PM


Don't you have some leftover Donuts you need to take care of, Sea lion

Already ate them.  And now don't feel real stupid and ignorant for starting this thread.  It really shows you don't know much or belong here.  How is it owning yourself.  What a moron.  Allot like our Indian (not teepee, but poopoo).
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: The_Punisher on March 27, 2007, 01:18:00 PM
Already ate them.  And now don't feel real stupid and ignorant for starting this thread.  It really shows you don't know much or belong here.  How is it owning yourself.  What a moron.  Allot like our Indian (not teepee, but poopoo).


what were you saying, Hippo?
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: Tony23 on March 27, 2007, 01:23:29 PM
Jay Cutler should slim down some and stop lifting heavy weights so he can throw a football with more accuracy...

The point I'm trying to make is, what he is doing has him on the way to being the best quarterback maybe ever, who the hell cares what he looks like topless?

Oh...I forgot where I was.  Thats the point right, how Payton Manning looks with his shirt off.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: onlyme on March 27, 2007, 01:26:49 PM

what were you saying, Hippo?

Exactly.  Feel pretty stupid don't you
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: The_Punisher on March 27, 2007, 01:32:18 PM
Exactly.  Feel pretty stupid don't you


the Muds are drying fast, don't you have to cool off, Mr hippo.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: ATHEIST on March 27, 2007, 02:10:44 PM

  Punisher Im sorry but you started this with your stupid thread insinuating that Peyton needs to works out more and get a great upper body or whatever.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: bmacsys on March 27, 2007, 02:19:02 PM
Who cares? the guy could have any bitch he wants and his wallet must be immense!
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: pumpster on March 27, 2007, 03:02:46 PM
I'm sure Peyton works out with weights extensively. You almost have to in order to be a player in the NFL.

But he's 6'5" and it's hard to build muscle naturally. Why would he need to anyway? He's built like a quarterback. Dan Marino wasn't muscular either.

I know this is a bodybuilding board but this is a stupid thread.



Ya, it's tough to pack muscle on a 6'5" frame just ask the Hulk Lou Ferrigno LOL. Thank you for an excellent contribution to this "stupid thread"

Classic getbig thread; some training weights or otherwise, might've made him a better QB. The fact is there's room for improvement, whether you choose to praise his nutz or not. It was clear last year when they lost for example, that he can't run and isn't the least bit athletic; some of that could've been worked on.

I wish life were as black & white as some of these getbig geniuses think it is LOL Brady will try to get better, Manning no.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: pumpster on March 27, 2007, 03:08:30 PM
Who cares? the guy could have any bitch he wants and his wallet must be immense!

Classic redneck reaction; nothing to do with anything.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: pumpster on March 27, 2007, 03:09:17 PM
  Punisher Im sorry but you started this with your stupid thread insinuating that Peyton needs to works out more and get a great upper body or whatever.

Utterly brainless; let's hope this genius doesn't really see it in such simplistic terms.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: pumpster on March 27, 2007, 03:10:25 PM
Yeah, Manning is a real loser.  If he brought his chest up, he could move up a few ranks on the getbig boards....haha ::)
Guys who are 6' 5" aren't really that muscular, unless their on gear or black.

Completely delusional logic; until this year he was in fact thought of as a loser. What cave in afghanistan were you living in?
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: pumpster on March 27, 2007, 03:11:40 PM
what he is doing has him on the way to being the best quarterback maybe ever, who the hell cares what he looks like topless?


Wrong; he's not even the best QB right now; someone with more intelligence than you're showing would figure to work harder to change that. He was considered a major underachiever AKA loser until this year.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: pumpster on March 27, 2007, 03:14:30 PM
Is it just people of color that do not like Peyton Manning. Is he too white for you guys?

He runs like Derek Jeter; same lack of athleticism.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: pumpster on March 27, 2007, 03:15:39 PM
  being big and strong is good for getting hit but doesnt translate to the mechanics of throwing a football to well. Take a look at all the best QB's in the league. Peyton, Brady, Brees, Bulger, and whoever else there is. also look in the recent past, Marino, Elway, Montana, Young, Moon

One doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the other. Figure it out; Brady knows it, you don't.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: Benny B on March 27, 2007, 03:18:48 PM
Damn Pumpster, you gotta lot of posts in a row here.  :P

Remember you're preaching to redneck retards so don't let 'em drive you crazy. This thread was a classic Fatfather/Fatcasm style post...I wouldn't be suprised if he and the Punisher are one and the same. It's a dumbass thread.  ::)
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: pumpster on March 27, 2007, 03:20:44 PM
Damn Pumpster, you gotta lot of posts in a row here.  :P

Remember you're preaching to redneck retards so don't let 'em drive you crazy. This thread was a classic Fatfather/Fatcasm style post...I wouldn't be suprised if he and the Punisher are one and the same. It's a dumbass thread.  ::)

That's the thing, so many are at low levels of comprehension that it's like talking to 5 year olds who try to make things too simple because that's how they see things. Goes right over their little heads especially bmacsys LOL Then it's compounded by the fact that they don't even grasp that they could learn something.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: Earl1972 on March 27, 2007, 03:55:11 PM
bodybuilder or not he looks like shit

jamarcus russell was a little soft but had alot of muscle and quinn was pretty solid

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Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: dirk digler on March 27, 2007, 08:18:42 PM
He's paid millions because he's capable of performing tasks that only a select few can acomplish. Looking the part is so much easier. Does Lance Armstrong look imposing? Of course not, but he can take a bike up the side of a mountain in an hour that would take most recreational cyclists all day. They are famous and rich for what they can do, not because of what they look like they're capable of.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: pumpster on March 27, 2007, 08:19:27 PM
bodybuilder or not he looks like shit



Succinct
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: pumpster on March 27, 2007, 08:20:10 PM
He's paid millions because he's capable of performing tasks that only a select few can acomplish. Looking the part is so much easier. Does Lance Armstrong look imposing? Of course not, but he can take a bike up the side of a mountain in an hour that would take most recreational cyclists all day. They are famous and rich for what they can do, not because of what they look like they're capable of.

You've just confused one thing with the other, like most here. Go back and figure it out.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: americanbulldog on March 27, 2007, 08:20:40 PM
He is the MVP of the Superbowl, looking good isn't his primary goal.  Winning is. 
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: dirk digler on March 27, 2007, 08:22:19 PM
You've just confused one thing with the other, like most here. Go back and figure it out.
No, I'm not. Unless "improving his physique" makes him a better player, then it's useless.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: pumpster on March 27, 2007, 08:24:50 PM
No, I'm not. Unless "improving his physique" makes him a better player, then it's useless.

You figured out these were separate issues! ::)

And how do you know it wouldn't make him better genius, if Brady's doing so? hahaahahahahahah
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: americanbulldog on March 27, 2007, 08:26:24 PM
McNabb looks much better than Payton, and he has won how many Superbowls? 
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: pumpster on March 27, 2007, 08:27:18 PM
He is the MVP of the Superbowl, looking good isn't his primary goal.  Winning is. 

Glad you pointed out that he's won only once; every other year he's been known as a loser. Not a recipe for sitting back IMO.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: pumpster on March 27, 2007, 08:28:10 PM
McNabb looks much better than Payton, and he has won how many Superbowls? 

Different issue. Tell me again that you're sure it wouldn't help him win, go ahead.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: Bast000 on March 27, 2007, 08:28:48 PM
 I was surprised how thin he looked on SNL.  He probably took a long break from lifting. 

Then again 6' 5" is tall and looks lanky.  In a football uniform he's wearing padding and only his forearms show, so he's probably always been that size. 

Mcnabb isn't as tall and he's not as lean as Peyton either.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: americanbulldog on March 27, 2007, 08:30:50 PM
I hate the guy, but he is the most studious, hard working of QBs.  Doesn't have the gifts of others, but works hard.  Looking good means nothing in the NFL.  Winning means everything.  He finally got the monkey off his back, I am hoping he gets the snot kicked out of him like he did in 05, 04, 03, etc.....  But the post is about his physique.  Looking good is a secondary benefit to performance.  I am sure most of his training is more application specific to playing.  Developing individual muscle groups for aesthetic purposes is not a necessity.  
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: pumpster on March 27, 2007, 08:31:23 PM
I was surprised how thin he looked on SNL.  He probably took a long break from lifting. 

Then again 6' 5" is tall and looks lanky.  In a football uniform he's wearing padding and only his forearms show, so he's probably always been that size. 

Mcnabb isn't as tall and he's not as lean as Peyton either.

A long break from lifting? hahaahahah He never started.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: pumpster on March 27, 2007, 08:32:30 PM
I hate the guy, but he is the most studious, hard working of QBs.  Doesn't have the gifts of others, but works hard.  Looking good means nothing in the NFL.  Winning means everything.  He finally got the monkey off his back, I am hoping he gets the snot kicked out of him like he did in 05, 04, 03, etc.....  But the post is about his physique.  Looking good is a secondary benefit to performance.  I am sure most of his training is more application specific to playing.  Developing individual muscle groups for aesthetic purposes is not a necessity.  

Forget about looking good; you have no idea if he's done everything possible in terms of training to improve. His physique suggests strongly but doesn't confirm, that he hasn't.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: Bast000 on March 27, 2007, 08:32:50 PM
A long break from lifting? hahaahahah He never started.

I've seen clips on tv of him benching and squatting.  I think all NFL players lift.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: dirk digler on March 27, 2007, 08:33:01 PM
You figured out these were separate issues! ::)

And how do you know it wouldn't make him better genius, if Brady's doing so? hahaahahahahahah
First off, I'm sure he does strength train. I doubt hypertrophy is a goal of any athlete. It may be unavoidable, but strength is the goal. To be specific strength-power/weight increases are the goal of 95% of athletes who strength train.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: americanbulldog on March 27, 2007, 08:33:09 PM
Next thing you will say is Joe Montana's physique needed work, or Terry Bradshaw's, heck even baby making Tom Brady.  Winning is everything.  
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: pumpster on March 27, 2007, 08:34:30 PM
First off, I'm sure he does strength train. I doubt hypertrophy is a goal of any athlete. It may be unavoidable, but strength is the goal. To be specific strength-power/weight increases are the goal of 95% of athletes who strength train.
It's obvious that some look better than others, in large part because they're more serious about it while achieving the same or higher goals.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: americanbulldog on March 27, 2007, 08:35:53 PM
Next thing we will be comparing Ian Freeman to Shawne Merriman.  No way X man can run a 4.45 40 at 272.  Merriman might not be as pretty, but his body is developed to work.  I don't think Freeman could pancake that worthless tackle Gallery like Merriman can.  
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: pumpster on March 27, 2007, 08:36:00 PM
Next thing you will say is Joe Montana's physique needed work, or Terry Bradshaw's, heck even baby making Tom Brady.  Winning is everything.  

First of all, Bradshaw was a big muscular guy, who by the way wasn't afraid of punishment in the pocket the way Manning's proven over and over again with the happy feet. Having a superior physique probably helped Bradshaw there, besides having more guts and being a better all-time QB.

As far as Montana, he had excellent mobility, wasn't a big unathletic gork like Manning. Tells me that in addition to being a better athlete he also did superior prep to enhance and maintain that, which Manning doesn't appear to do. If Manning really cared about being the best he'd have at least tried to get some degree of mobility like a modern QB instead of trying to be Johhny U stuck in the pocket. Certain types of weight training as well as other drills could improve his lameness in this area.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: Bast000 on March 27, 2007, 08:40:06 PM
where are your pictures, so we can critique what you have achieved in the weight room?

..or are you gonna continue to be a pussy?
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: pumpster on March 27, 2007, 08:40:56 PM
where are your pictures, so we can critique what you have achieved in the weight room?

..or are you gonna continue to be a pussy?

hahahaha the classic personal resort of a losing position.

I would NEVER have left unaddressed some of Manning's shortcomings the way he has. It's no coincidence that Brady the winner will hit the weights while Manning continues to be a 1950s type QB stuck in the pocket.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: dirk digler on March 27, 2007, 08:43:21 PM
It's obvious that some look better than others, in large part because they're more serious about it while achieving the same or higher goals.
Is that why the back ups in almost every position have "better physiques", and higher numbers in the weight room?
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: pumpster on March 27, 2007, 08:44:12 PM
Is that why the back ups in almost every position have "better physiques", and higher numbers in the weight room?

Another aside, not necessarily true and definitely irrelevant.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: americanbulldog on March 27, 2007, 08:44:33 PM
First of all, Bradshaw was a big muscular guy, who by the way wasn't afraid of punishment in the pocket the way Manning's proven over and over again with the happy feet. Having a superior physique probably helped Bradshaw there, besides having more guts and being a better all-time QB.

As far as Montana, he had excellent mobility, wasn't a big unathletic gork like Manning. Tells me that in addition to being a better athlete he also did superior prep to enhance and maintain that, which Manning doesn't appear to do. If Manning really cared about being the best he'd have at least tried to get some degree of mobility like a modern QB instead of trying to be Johhny U stuck in the pocket.

Brad was by no way a muscular guy.  I am a lifelong Steelers fan who has been going to one game a year since 1996.  I will post pics of Brad when I get home.  Great QB, yes.  Muscular, no.  I agree he wasn't afraid of physical punishment, but he was no genetic freak in terms of size and shape.

Montana played in the west coast system, utilizing short two and three step drops.  He is the ultimate game QB, never known for his mobility, speed or athleticism, so I don't know where you are getting that.  Payton (I mispell his name of purpose) is a 6'5 drop back, pocket passer.  He looks gangly because he is so stinking big.  Big Ben is in the same mold as Payton, a Big QB, with decent mobility.  I am in no way a Payton lover, in fact I hate his cry baby antics, but this thread is about his musculature, or lack thereof.  I am reiterating that looking good isn't a necessary by product of success in the NFL.  Big Ben won the SB in his second season, he has nowhere near the type of physiqe people at GB would favor.  But he is a big athletic guy who would outperform everyone here in multiple sports.  Working hard at looking good for getbiggers is something Payton isn't losing sleep over.  
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: pumpster on March 27, 2007, 08:45:33 PM
Brad was by no way a muscular guy.  I am a lifelong Steelers fan who has been going to one game a year since 1996.  I will post pics of Brad when I get home.  Great QB, yes.  Muscular, no.  I agree he wasn't afraid of physical punishment, but he was no genetic freak in terms of size and shape.

Montana played in the west coast system, utilizing short two and three step drops.  He is the ultimate game QB, never known for his mobility, speed or athleticism, so I don't know where you are getting that.  Payton (I mispell his name of purpose) is a 6'5 drop back, pocket passer.  He looks gangly because he is so stinking big.  Big Ben is in the same mold as Payton, a Big QB, with decent mobility.  I am in no way a Payton lover, in fact I hate his cry baby antics, but this thread is about his musculature, or lack thereof.  I am reiterating that looking good isn't a necessary by product of success in the NFL.  Big Ben won the SB in his second season, he has nowhere near the type of physiqe people at GB would favor.  But he is a big athletic guy who would outperform everyone here in multiple sports.  Working hard at looking good for getbiggers is something Payton isn't losing sleep over.  

Bradshaw was muscular, big & strong in relation to most past or current QBs. Also a superior athlete, much better than Manning. I watched many of their games during the 70s.

Wrong on Montana. His most famous play against Dallas was typical, largely due to his ability to get out of the pocket to buy time. It couldn't be more obvious, or the fact that the big gork Manning could never have done it.

I don't think you understand the west coast offense-Montana's successor Steve Young ran all the time within that framework. 3 step drops are only part of it.

Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: dirk digler on March 27, 2007, 08:46:43 PM
Another aside, not necessarily true and definitely irrelevant.
It's very true, most notably with linemen.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: pumpster on March 27, 2007, 08:48:00 PM
It's very true, most notably with linemen.

Nope
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: dirk digler on March 27, 2007, 08:51:21 PM
Nope
Ask any trainer, position coach, or player(former or current).
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: pumpster on March 27, 2007, 08:53:17 PM
Ask any trainer, position coach, or player(former or current).

What would it prove? If backups are muscular and strong, it probably indicates that they got there in larger part due to this than skills. It was probably the differentiating factor.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: dirk digler on March 27, 2007, 08:59:57 PM
What would it prove? Backups are muscular...
That they have less skill, thus try to make up for it.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: pumpster on March 27, 2007, 09:01:30 PM
That they have less skill, thus try to make up for it.

Which shows the value of that training, to compensate. Now if you take that approach and apply it to someone with skill, it's even better. Generally speaking the great ones don't take it easy (Brady) and cover both angles.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: dirk digler on March 27, 2007, 09:08:09 PM
Which shows the value of that training, to compensate. Now if you take that approach and apply it to someone with skill, it's even better. Generally speaking the great ones don't take it easy (Brady) and cover both angles.
Being, stronger, more powerfull and agile doesn't always translate into a "good physique"......... Warren Sapp.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: americanbulldog on March 28, 2007, 01:35:16 AM
Bradshaw was muscular, big & strong in relation to most past or current QBs. Also a superior athlete, much better than Manning. I watched many of their games during the 70s.

Wrong on Montana. His most famous play against Dallas was typical, largely due to his ability to get out of the pocket to buy time. It couldn't be more obvious, or the fact that the big gork Manning could never have done it.

I don't think you understand the west coast offense-Montana's successor Steve Young ran all the time within that framework. 3 step drops are only part of it.



I don't think you understand the west coas offense as well.  The game winning play to Clark in the right corner of the end zone was a busted play that Montan ad libbed.  It wasn't because of great athletic ability, but rather great instincts.  The same great instincts he showed in the Cotton bowl that got him drafted in the first place.  After the primary is checked off, in the WC offense, the QB needs to read the defense and check for secondary receivers or make the pass to the outlet receiver, if that is all covered, then the QB has the option to scrambel out of the pocket to pick up yards.  Montana was no Steve Young.  He was agile enough, but SMART as hell as to make the system work. 

Your assertion that Payton's pitiful physique makes him a loser is weak as well.  Payton does not play well against teams that run the 3-4 defense.  Particularly those that run a zone blitzing schemes.  He can't make the proper reads because he doesn't know where the pressure is coming from.  A defensive end with his hands on the ground can drop back in coverage and the d coordinator can send pressure from the edge (LBs), from the corners (in a corner blitz where the OLBs drop into coverage) or with the 2 MLBs and a safety over the top.  The reason the Dolts had an easier chance this year is they only played one team in the post season that ran a 3-4, and that was the Pats who fell apart in the fourth.  When playing a 4-3, you depend upon your downlineman to produce pressure, and it is harder to hide blitz packages. 

Don't talk football if you don't know football.  Who cares how Brady looks, he won three SBs, made two kids out of wedlock and has the body of a 18 year old who barely lifts. 

I have every game of the 1974-1975, 1978-1979 Steelers remastered onto DVD, trust me when I tell you Brad didn't have a body most getbiggers would want.  He was a stud, but physically didn't look like something any of us would aspire to.  He could throw the ball in the air 70+ yards coming out of LTech, and that was all that mattered. 
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: thepeg on March 28, 2007, 05:12:12 AM
i just had 2 post when i saw all of these STUPID POSTS u people dont know anything about football! oh by the way peyton is the best qb in football and has been for the past several years and now he won the superbowl, because of his historic comeback against the patriots...its not up for debate unless your a fucking idiot(which many of peyton critics r) yea he should quit playing football and take huge amounts of steroids to fill out his 6-05 frame to make u idoits happy- oh and give up the MILLIONS of dollars hes making. i met he sits up at night thinking about what a bunch of losers think of him while playing on the internet for hours every night cause they have no life.  mom get me some more chezzy puffs i have more posts to read!  sweet! beefcake beefcake!!!
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: bmacsys on March 28, 2007, 05:25:19 AM
Classic redneck reaction; nothing to do with anything.


Classic asshole reaction by a guy who says Kobe Bryant and Tiger Woods are overeated! ::)
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: bmacsys on March 28, 2007, 05:27:00 AM
Wrong; he's not even the best QB right now; someone with more intelligence than you're showing would figure to work harder to change that. He was considered a major underachiever AKA loser until this year.

Who's better? Who is throwing for 5,000 yards and 49 td's?On top of winning the SuperBowl. ::)
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: bmacsys on March 28, 2007, 05:33:41 AM
Wrong; he's not even the best QB right now; someone with more intelligence than you're showing would figure to work harder to change that. He was considered a major underachiever AKA loser until this year.

Yup, this coming from Pumpster who claims Doug Flutie was better than Marino, Elway and Montana. ::)
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: pumpster on March 28, 2007, 06:43:01 AM
i just had 2 post when i saw all of these STUPID POSTS u people dont know anything about football! oh by the way peyton is the best qb in football and has been for the past several years and now he won the superbowl, because of his historic comeback against the patriots...its not up for debate unless your a fucking idiot(which many of peyton critics r) yea he should quit playing football and take huge amounts of steroids to fill out his 6-05 frame to make u idoits happy- oh and give up the MILLIONS of dollars hes making. i met he sits up at night thinking about what a bunch of losers think of him while playing on the internet for hours every night cause they have no life.  mom get me some more chezzy puffs i have more posts to read!  sweet! beefcake beefcake!!!

Your judgements are as lame as your 2nd grade english. I smell GED.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: pumpster on March 28, 2007, 06:43:34 AM

Classic asshole reaction by a guy who says Kobe Bryant and Tiger Woods are overeated! ::)

No one ever accused "bmacsys" of being intelligent LOL

This from a dolt with anger-management issues who seriously proposed meeting on a street corner. ::)
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: pumpster on March 28, 2007, 06:44:38 AM
Yup, this coming from Pumpster who claims Doug Flutie was better than Marino, Elway and Montana. ::)

"bmacsys" making stuff up again - find and post the link where i said that. I said he was a very good QB who was underutilized in his last years in the NFL, which is true.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: body88 on March 28, 2007, 07:57:07 AM
i just had 2 post when i saw all of these STUPID POSTS u people don't know anything about football! oh by the way Peyton is the best QB in football and has been for the past several years and now he won the superbowl, because of his historic comeback against the patriots...its not up for debate unless your a fucking idiot(which many of Peyton critics r) yea he should quit playing football and take huge amounts of steroids to fill out his 6-05 frame to make u idoits happy- oh and give up the MILLIONS of dollars hes making. i met he sits up at night thinking about what a bunch of losers think of him while playing on the internet for hours every night cause they have no life.  mom get me some more chezzy puffs i have more posts to read!  sweet! beefcake beefcake!!!


You mean the best qb this year? D Brees led the leauge in passing in 2006 and Brady did in 2005. Culpepper did in 2004. What exactly did Manning do in the playoffs last year? How about the previous five years before that? When has he ever had anything less then pro bowl receivers to throw to? Does throwing to hall of fame/probowl receivers have anything to do with his regular season stats? When they are fazed out by good teams in the playoffs his stats are straight up terrible. Still trying to figure out how the best QB ever throws 3 td's and 7 picks in his best playoff showing to date. Also trying to figure out how the best QB ever cannot score a single offensive point, and the kicker has to kick ALL the points in the game (ravens game). Manning is a fantastic regular season QB, and one of the greatest ever. What you said is inaccurate imo You could say he was the best ALL AROUND qb this year, but the playoff failures over the last 6 do not allow him that title. The last 6 years of failure in the playoffs are not wiped clean because he succeeded one time in the seven years of trying. Does life work that way? Your kid has all the best tutors and fails 7th grade 6 times, but on the seventh passes so you throw them a party saying they are the smartest kid ever? Manning is a great QB, honestly he is. But what adversity has he been through? When has he not had pro bowl/hall of fame players catching the ball? Hell edge was running it for him up until last year. When has he not been in some of the nfls most explosive and weapon ridden offenses? What adversity has Manning ever been through? Receivers leaving? His most trusted players/friends leaving the team (in there prime)? Injury? Injury riddden team? Coaches who where with him his whole career leaving, what? I am not saying Manning is not fantastic regular season qb. But you do not just wipe away 6 years of playoff failure becuase his team won a sb this year. He got it done and he deserved to win. But that does not change the fact his playoff stats once again stunk this year. He is a liabilty to his team in the playoffs 80 percent of the time based on the stats over the last 7 years (including this year).

Stats

Brady 12 - 2
                    < Career postseason record
Manning  7 - 6


Brady - 3 rings , 2 sb mvp
                                     < Superbowl wins/sb mvps
Manning - 1 ring, 1 sb mvp


Brady - 3
                 < Afc championship titles
Manning - 1


Brady  80 -25 
                      < Total career wins
Manning 92 - 52


Brady (3 in 4 years)
                              < Superbowl streaks
Manning (1 in 1 year)


Brady  20 - 9
                       < postseason td / int ratio
Manning 18 -16


Brady 88%
                    < Career postseason rating
Manning 81%


Brady
(0)
             < number of pro bowl /hall of fame recievers
Manning (3)


Brady (3)
                  < sets of different recievers over career
Manning (1)



Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: Oldschool Flip on March 28, 2007, 12:17:15 PM
Let's settle this right now.

JOE MONTANA was the best QB ever.

4 SB wins
3 SB MVP's
3 NFL MVP's

0 Interceptions in ALL SB apperances.

And Montana was skinnier than both Brady and Manning. ;D

Wish we would have picked Brady over Rattay cause then we'd probably have a t least 2 more SB's under our belt.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: body88 on March 28, 2007, 12:27:58 PM
Let's settle this right now.

JOE MONTANA was the best QB ever.

4 SB wins
3 SB MVP's
3 NFL MVP's

0 Interceptions in ALL SB apperances.

And Montana was skinnier than both Brady and Manning. ;D

Wish we would have picked Brady over Rattay cause then we'd probably have a t least 2 more SB's under our belt.

At this point you are 100 percent correct. Both Brady and Manning have said they want to play for 8 more years, so we will see. Imo you cannot ignore how much Brady has achieved with less then the others he is mentioned in the same breath with. Not to say Deion Branch was not a good reciever, but he is not Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne or Jerry Rice. Not even close. Brady has never had a reciever with over 1000 yards in receptions over his career. While Others he is mentioned with had nothing less then pro bowlers. Brady has had three different sets of recievers over his span in the leauge. Never a single pro bowler. I find it remarkable he had Jabar Gaffney and Reche Caldwel dwarfing the numbers of pro bowl recievers in the playoffs. More impressive is the fact that bug eyes and Gaffney are not top talent, and missed some of the preseason. Couple that with the fact they where team rookies in one of the most complex systems in the nfl and you might see what I mean. To be 12 and 2 in the playoffs with three rings and 2 sb mvps after six years playing is pretty impressive imo. To go 12 and 4 this year with the all the injuries the pats had, and factors I listed above is a big accomplishment. It must be said that Montana did have the greatest receiver ever catching the ball. Few pro bowlers also. I am NOT taking anything away from Joe, he is the best ever at this point. I believe he would have been great not matter who he was playing with. A truly amazing player in every sense. Nothing but respect for the guy. To listen to Brady even being compared to him over the years is a true honer. For the fans and obviously Brady. The man was better then great.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: pumpster on March 28, 2007, 12:39:53 PM
Let's settle this right now.

JOE MONTANA was the best QB ever.

4 SB wins
3 SB MVP's
3 NFL MVP's

0 Interceptions in ALL SB apperances.

And Montana was skinnier than both Brady and Manning. ;D

Wish we would have picked Brady over Rattay cause then we'd probably have a t least 2 more SB's under our belt.

Being bigger is only one way to improve. Montana was a lot more athletic & mobile than Manning, and would've trained to enhance & maintain that. Strength, agility, speed are all part of the game and can be worked on. Manning has minimimal agility, speed or strength, doesn't seem to do anything significant to improve.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: ATHEIST on March 28, 2007, 12:58:51 PM
Yup, this coming from Pumpster who claims Doug Flutie was better than Marino, Elway and Montana. ::)

 The idiot said what??!?!?! :o
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: Dos Equis on March 28, 2007, 01:02:05 PM
Yup, this coming from Pumpster who claims Doug Flutie was better than Marino, Elway and Montana. ::)

No way.  He didn't really say this . . . did he?   :o
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: ATHEIST on March 28, 2007, 01:06:03 PM
. Manning has minimimal agility, speed or strength, doesn't seem to do anything significant to improve.

  but yet he is one of the best QB'S in the league and is a lock for the HOF.

  Yeah but you dont think he is strong, fast or agile enough....umm ok guy.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: pumpster on March 28, 2007, 01:15:32 PM
No way.  He didn't really say this . . . did he?   :o

He won't be able to prove it with a link. What i said was that Flutie was underrated, the rest is more delusions from bmacsys who wastes time on a bodybuilding site with 13" arms.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: pumpster on March 28, 2007, 01:16:20 PM
  but yet he is one of the best QB'S in the league and is a lock for the HOF.

  Yeah but you dont think he is strong, fast or agile enough....umm ok guy.

You're completely clueless, unable to separate one issue from another. I smell GED.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: bmacsys on March 28, 2007, 01:40:52 PM
No way.  He didn't really say this . . . did he?   :o

Yes, along with lets see, Tiger Woods being overrated and erratic, Cookie Gilchrist being better than Jim Brown, the CFL being as good a league as the NFL, Kobe Bryant not being very good, American bodybuilders being dumber than their counterparts in the rest of the world. Arnold's muscles being fake. There are many more outlandish claims that he has made. He just has to be contrary. Like it makes him a rebel or something.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: bmacsys on March 28, 2007, 01:53:25 PM
He won't be able to prove it with a link. What i said was that Flutie was underrated, the rest is more delusions from bmacsys who wastes time on a bodybuilding site with 13" arms.


At least I didn't use a Bowflex big guy. :)
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: ATHEIST on March 28, 2007, 02:04:59 PM
You're completely clueless, unable to separate one issue from another. I smell GED.

   sorry bud got my masters..as for you i smell home schooled, you should ask your mom for your money back.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: pumpster on March 28, 2007, 02:08:55 PM
Yes, along with lets see, Tiger Woods being overrated and erratic, Cookie Gilchrist being better than Jim Brown, the CFL being as good a league as the NFL, Kobe Bryant not being very good, American bodybuilders being dumber than their counterparts in the rest of the world. Arnold's muscles being fake. There are many more outlandish claims that he has made. He just has to be contrary. Like it makes him a rebel or something.

Post links, jackass LOL
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: pumpster on March 28, 2007, 02:09:59 PM

At least I didn't use a Bowflex big guy. :)

You need one, skinny turd with 13" guns bwahahaahahahah
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: pumpster on March 28, 2007, 02:11:17 PM
   sorry bud got my masters..as for you i smell home schooled, you should ask your mom for your money back.

A master's in rapology from Sears judging by this crap ROFLMAO



just had 2 post when i saw all of these STUPID POSTS u people dont know anything about football! oh by the way peyton is the best qb in football and has been for the past several years and now he won the superbowl, because of his historic comeback against the patriots...its not up for debate unless your a fucking idiot(which many of peyton critics r) yea he should quit playing football and take huge amounts of steroids to fill out his 6-05 frame to make u idoits happy- oh and give up the MILLIONS of dollars hes making. i met he sits up at night thinking about what a bunch of losers think of him while playing on the internet for hours every night cause they have no life.  mom get me some more chezzy puffs i have more posts to read!  sweet! beefcake beefcake!!!
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: ATHEIST on March 28, 2007, 02:17:19 PM
A master's in rapology from Sears judging by this crap ROFLMAO



just had 2 post when i saw all of these STUPID POSTS u people dont know anything about football! oh by the way peyton is the best qb in football and has been for the past several years and now he won the superbowl, because of his historic comeback against the patriots...its not up for debate unless your a fucking idiot(which many of peyton critics r) yea he should quit playing football and take huge amounts of steroids to fill out his 6-05 frame to make u idoits happy- oh and give up the MILLIONS of dollars hes making. i met he sits up at night thinking about what a bunch of losers think of him while playing on the internet for hours every night cause they have no life.  mom get me some more chezzy puffs i have more posts to read!  sweet! beefcake beefcake!!!

  great job genious i didnt post this...im done with your ass get yourself a towel and wipe yourself off, your too easy.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: bmacsys on March 28, 2007, 02:34:47 PM
You need one, skinny turd with 13" guns bwahahaahahahah

Sorry I can't compete with all your pics. Oh sorry. You haven't ever posted any. ;D
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: pumpster on March 28, 2007, 02:51:30 PM
  great job genious i didnt post this...im done with your ass get yourself a towel and wipe yourself off, your too easy.

It's "you're" hahaahahahha self-ownage
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: pumpster on March 28, 2007, 02:52:08 PM
Sorry I can't compete with all your pics. Oh sorry. You haven't ever posted any. ;D

Better idea: actually get in the gym, work off the hostility and STFU pussy.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: Oldschool Flip on March 28, 2007, 03:44:33 PM
At this point you are 100 percent correct. Both Brady and Manning have said they want to play for 8 more years, so we will see. Imo you cannot ignore how much Brady has achieved with less then the others he is mentioned in the same breath with. Not to say Deion Branch was not a good reciever, but he is not Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne or Jerry Rice. Not even close. Brady has never had a reciever with over 1000 yards in receptions over his career. While Others he is mentioned with had nothing less then pro bowlers. Brady has had three different sets of recievers over his span in the leauge. Never a single pro bowler. I find it remarkable he had Jabar Gaffney and Reche Caldwel dwarfing the numbers of pro bowl recievers in the playoffs. More impressive is the fact that bug eyes and Gaffney are not top talent, and missed some of the preseason. Couple that with the fact they where team rookies in one of the most complex systems in the nfl and you might see what I mean. To be 12 and 2 in the playoffs with three rings and 2 sb mvps after six years playing is pretty impressive imo. To go 12 and 4 this year with the all the injuries the pats had, and factors I listed above is a big accomplishment. It must be said that Montana did have the greatest receiver ever catching the ball. Few pro bowlers also. I am NOT taking anything away from Joe, he is the best ever at this point. I believe he would have been great not matter who he was playing with. A truly amazing player in every sense. Nothing but respect for the guy. To listen to Brady even being compared to him over the years is a true honer. For the fans and obviously Brady. The man was better then great.
Obviously I agree with you on Brady. IMO, he is the best QB today just based alone on his SB wins (still wishing we chose Brady over Rattay).
Brady has a lot of the same traits as Montana, meaning he is so quick at reading a defense and his passing is pinpoint. He also shares the beginnings of what Montana went through:

1. Not having a dominant running game.
2. Receivers who are good, but not great.
3. A great grasp of a complicated offense.

Really if the WR's, TE's and RB's run the precise routes, Brady will know where to throw just based on what he sees on the defense.

I really have a lot of respect for Brady because he has accomplished so much in a short time. And each year you can NEVER count out the Pats no matter what their position is. Only if they have a losing record, the AFC playoffs are a nail biter if the Pats are in.

Give some info though. What do you know about Banta-Cain?
Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: body88 on March 28, 2007, 04:10:51 PM
He was a great Back up OLB/and pass rushing specialist. Showed improvement every year he played for the pats. Has upside and a good work ethic. He needs to practise a little more discapline on the edge. He can overpersue at times at time which he needs to work on. I think it was worth it for you guys to pick him up.


Title: Re: Peyton Manning should pay a visit to the weight room
Post by: bmacsys on March 29, 2007, 01:23:38 PM
Better idea: actually get in the gym, work off the hostility and STFU pussy.

Ok little Poopster! And you can hit your home weight room, I mean Bowflex! :-X