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photoshop?real thing
What they don't tell you is that there was a FREE concert after the speech.
Oregonians have always been a little weird. No surprise they'd vote for a Marxist Socialist like Obama! But given the alternative McLame duck.
What they don't tell you is that there was a FREE concert after the speech.That's a pretty clever idea to get Obama supporters involved.
What they don't tell you is that there was a FREE concert after the speech.
That's a pretty clever idea to get Obama supporters involved.
Didn't McCain try to appeal to the youngsters with a free concert of his own with these guys?
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Have to appeal to the young voters!
What they don't tell you is that there was a FREE concert after the speech.
Actually, the concert came before the rally.So, anyone who came solely for the concert presumably would have left. Or at least been holding up a sign in support of the band.
By the way the band was a group called The Decemberists. That's right, those The Decemberists. You are probably familiar with their long string of radio hits and their sold out stadium world tours, so I will not bother dwelling on their popularity for a second longer.
I know you're making a joke but I think he did actually do an event at some biker rally where he offered to enter his wife the biker chick contest and I believe Kid Rock was the main draw and even got top billing over McCainThanks for castrating my joke. I knew I should have used Jolson!
Thanks for castrating my joke. I knew I should have used Jolson!
You are right. This is old "news." The speech was in conjunction with a concert. The media wasn't suppressing pictures. ::)
What they don't tell you is that there was a FREE concert after the speech.What you're not telling us is that the concert was before, not after Obama. and the band? The Decemberists Who? never heard of them lol... So if they came for the music, the question is, why did they stay for Obama after the music died ;)
Decker is masturbating to that third photo right now....As a matter of fact...
THESE ARE THE PHOTOS THAT THE MEDIA KEPT
FROM MILLIONS OF AMERICANS AND THE WORLD
There's a definate awakening taking place in America
I'm sure this rally surpassed the Million Man March held in Washington DC in 1995
I don't think that Dr King's dream saw all of this.
This is definitely beyond "I Have a Dream".
This is the Revolution being televised!
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Should also keep in mind that the Democrat nominee has won Oregon in every election since 1988.
Actually, the concert came before the rally.So, anyone who came solely for the concert presumably would have left. Or at least been holding up a sign in support of the band.
By the way the band was a group called The Decemberists. That's right, those The Decemberists. You are probably familiar with their long string of radio hits and their sold out stadium world tours, so I will not bother dwelling on their popularity for a second longer.
There are obviously a lot of smart people in that state
Given that they rejected homosexual marriage despite an enormous pro homosexual marriage campaign, I'd have to agree.
Beautiful state.
Asswipe.
Throw polite discussion out the window. Who the hell gives anyone the right to tell a gay couple they can not marry each other?
Bible thumping dickhead. You are so typically fitting into the hypocrite self righteous christian mold.
LOL. Meltdown. LOL . . .
Here is a newsflash son, it wasn't just Christians who voted against homosexual marriage in Oregon or Hawaii or California or every other state in the country that voted to preserve traditional marriage. And let's not forget the Defense of Marriage Act passed by the Congress and signed by President Clinton, a well known Bible thumping self righteous Christian. lol . . .
Given that they rejected homosexual marriage despite an enormous pro homosexual marriage campaign, I'd have to agree.
Beautiful state.
Should also keep in mind that the Democrat nominee has won Oregon in every election since 1988.
Well then it's a sad state of affairs. But what I said about you still remains.
I'm crushed lovemonkey. :'( But anytime you want to discuss the facts and have your absurd notions blown up, I'm happy to help. :)
What if a brother wants to marry his sister? Would not allowing that make it discrimination?
That's an argument I heard on the radio but didn't get to hear the ensuing discussion because i got out of range.
maybe they got bombarded with tons of misleading ads like we're getting here in CA.
It looks like Prop 8 is going to lose in CA despite big $$$ being spent by groups that are not even located in the state.
VA, and NC has not gone Dem in Decades... and they both are this year,so whats your point?
LOL. Concerning gay marriage, there is not much to discuss. Give them right to be able to marry at the courthouse. It's understandable if the church doesn't want to marry them and that's something I'm ok with. Church doesn't even deserve it anyhow, so...
But to deny people marriage whether straight or gay is outright discrimination.
I just don't see how it would affect you if a gay couple were to marry each other, Bum? It's nobodies business but theirs.
What if a brother wants to marry his sister? Would not allowing that make it discrimination?
That's an argument I heard on the radio but didn't get to hear the ensuing discussion because i got out of range.
Listen, the overwhelming majority of the country disagrees with you. This isn't a religious issue. About 27 states have voted to reject homosexual marriage. Every time it comes up for a vote, the people reject it by overwhelming margins. This crosses party lines. It includes and religious and non-religious people.
You might think it's nobody's business, but most voters disagree with you.
Dude that is next, along with polygamy.
Dude that is next, along with polygamy.
I can't recall seeing any brother/sister groups lobbying for equal rights but maybe that's only in your dreams
regarding polygamy - who cares.
regarding gay marriage - it's already legal in Canada and many other countries without any problems and of course no impact on heterosexuals.
Well the fact that most vote against it doesn't make it slightly bit wrong.
America voted for George Bush twice. Many americans actually believes fox news is fair and balanced. A majority of americans eat themselves to death. The american education system is a failed one. A overwhelming majority of the americans believe in the god of the desert and take the bible as a literal truth.
Lol I don't trust the judgment of the american people, which is not a surprise I suppose.
The fact that most voters reject it means your assumption that this a Christian issue is flat wrong.
Should also keep in mind that the Democrat nominee has won Oregon in every election since 1988.
Holly Crap they showed up in Houston and 100,000 people packed the Texans Stadium!!!!!!!!!! hahaha
Listen, the overwhelming majority of the country disagrees with you. This isn't a religious issue. About 27 states have voted to reject homosexual marriage. Every time it comes up for a vote, the people reject it by overwhelming margins. This crosses party lines. It includes and religious and non-religious people.
You might think it's nobody's business, but most voters disagree with you.
The fact that most voters reject it means your assumption that this a Christian issue is flat wrong.
The values and morals of the christian faith has america by the balls. You can not deny this.
But do you know WHY they vote against it?
I can tell you what a friend told me... He said, and I quote... "I voted against gay marriage because I didn't want all of the gay people coming to this state just to get married."
Now, I think it's a silly reason, but basically it's like how a lot of white people look at black people... Black people are cool, but they need to stay on their side of town.
That's the way it's seen... Gay Marriage is fine, but I don't want it "near me".
Kind of silly if you ask me.
The values and morals of the christian faith are what America was built upon.
The values and morals of the christian faith are what America was built upon.
I'm sure people vote against homosexual marriage for a variety reasons, including fear, looks, religion, preservation of traditional marriage, hatred, etc.
Have Obama and Biden explained why they oppose homosexual marriage?
Why should they?
Everyone know why... because if they don't say they oppose it, then they won't get elected.
It's common sense.
LIE!
This is one of the most persistent myths that christians keep bringing up.
The founders of America were secularists above all.
Religious AffiliationDon't waste your time, bro. They're not trying to learn about the truth.
of U.S. Founding Fathers # of
Founding
Fathers % of
Founding
Fathers
Episcopalian/Anglican 88 54.7%
Presbyterian 30 18.6%
Congregationalist 27 16.8%
Quaker 7 4.3%
Dutch Reformed/German Reformed 6 3.7%
Lutheran 5 3.1%
Catholic 3 1.9%
Huguenot 3 1.9%
Unitarian 3 1.9%
Methodist 2 1.2%
Calvinist 1 0.6%
TOTAL 204
http://www.adherents.com/gov/Founding_Fathers_Religion.html
You are going to sit there and tell me that these mens faith played no part in the birht of this country?
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Actually, the concert came before the rally.So, anyone who came solely for the concert presumably would have left. Or at least been holding up a sign in support of the band.actually the decemberists are a pretty popular band especially likely to appeal to alot of the new age younger generation so you might wanna check your sarcasm.
By the way the band was a group called The Decemberists. That's right, those The Decemberists. You are probably familiar with their long string of radio hits and their sold out stadium world tours, so I will not bother dwelling on their popularity for a second longer.
Religious Affiliation
of U.S. Founding Fathers # of
Founding
Fathers % of
Founding
Fathers
Episcopalian/Anglican 88 54.7%
Presbyterian 30 18.6%
Congregationalist 27 16.8%
Quaker 7 4.3%
Dutch Reformed/German Reformed 6 3.7%
Lutheran 5 3.1%
Catholic 3 1.9%
Huguenot 3 1.9%
Unitarian 3 1.9%
Methodist 2 1.2%
Calvinist 1 0.6%
TOTAL 204
http://www.adherents.com/gov/Founding_Fathers_Religion.html
You are going to sit there and tell me that these mens faith played no part in the birht of this country?
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Religious Affiliation
of U.S. Founding Fathers # of
Founding
Fathers % of
Founding
Fathers
Episcopalian/Anglican 88 54.7%
Presbyterian 30 18.6%
Congregationalist 27 16.8%
Quaker 7 4.3%
Dutch Reformed/German Reformed 6 3.7%
Lutheran 5 3.1%
Catholic 3 1.9%
Huguenot 3 1.9%
Unitarian 3 1.9%
Methodist 2 1.2%
Calvinist 1 0.6%
TOTAL 204
Don't waste your breath on this. The constitution clearly states that church and state is to be kept separate thus america is not founded on the christian faith. What belief system the founders had is irrelevant sine they THEMSELVES wanted you to be free from religion.you will never be free from religion as long as religious ppl are voting and even thought the government itself is not a religious institution it does the bidding of its constituents which happen to be religious so....
Whats funny about those pics is that none of those robots (like you) have no idea why they're voting for him!
you will never be free from religion as long as religious ppl are voting and even thought the government itself is not a religious institution it does the bidding of its constituents which happen to be religious so....
you will never be free from religion as long as religious ppl are voting and even thought the government itself is not a religious institution it does the bidding of its constituents which happen to be religious so....
Don't waste your breath on this. The constitution clearly states that church and state is to be kept separate thus america is not founded on the christian faith. What belief system the founders had is irrelevant sine they THEMSELVES wanted you to be free from religion.
They've held three presidential debates and one vice presidential so far. I've watched all of them, and I think both Obama and Mccain have been able to say what's in their agenda. To say that the voters wouldn't have a clue what Obama stands for is a bit unfair don't you think?not really how many ppl do you think actually watched any of the debates in their entirety? and not only that but werent brain dead after the first 15 mins so that they could comprehend the answers and statements? probably not many i like politics and i couldnt watch them the entire way through that shit was mind numbing. So in all actuallity its probably pretty acurate although the same could be said for mccain supporters as well but probably to a lesser degree...just being honest
bush/chaney,mcsame/palin.sit around in a circle praying...asking...who would Jesus Bomb?LOL you didnt catch bidens last statement at the vp debate? go look that up
not really how many ppl do you think actually watched any of the debates in their entirety? and not only that but werent brain dead after the first 15 mins so that they could comprehend the answers and statements? probably not many i like politics and i couldnt watch them the entire way through that shit was mind numbing. So in all actuallity its probably pretty acurate although the same could be said for mccain supporters as well but probably to a lesser degree...just being honest
They've held three presidential debates and one vice presidential so far. I've watched all of them, and I think both Obama and Mccain have been able to say what's in their agenda. To say that the voters wouldn't have a clue what Obama stands for is a bit unfair don't you think?
Yeah I see what you're saying. It's just not the debates but rather the aftermath of them. People may not watch the whole debates but they sure get to hear about the positions both Obama and Mccain take. Unless they live Amish-style with no internet or television.very true but you hear the filtered versions depending on what station you listen to if you listen to msnbc your gonna hear them quote mccain and say whats wrong with his position and plan and the same can be said for fox. By getting the statements from news channels you dont really get a fair chance to make up your mind although a intelligent responsible person would regardless but still your are swayed and told what to think by getting your info from the news stations.
agreed I have not only watched them all in there entirety I watched the last debate and the VP debate twice.maybe it's just tony that DON'T have a clue.LOL what dont i have a clue about? LOL ARENT YOU THE ONE WHO SAYS THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MOST OF THE DEADLY DISEASE THAT WE HAVE?
LOL you didnt catch bidens last statement at the vp debate? go look that up
all of them do, obama though might have a different direction with that though possibly looking for those in our government that created aids to target black ppl ::) you ever have any luck finding any proof of the government creating those diseases I gave you?
LOL what dont i have a clue about? LOL ARENT YOU THE ONE WHO SAYS THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MOST OF THE DEADLY DISEASE THAT WE HAVE?
LOL bro you should concentrate on your 2 businesses b/c if you conduct business like you research shit your fuked.
very true but you hear the filtered versions depending on what station you listen to if you listen to msnbc your gonna hear them quote mccain and say whats wrong with his position and plan and the same can be said for fox. By getting the statements from news channels you dont really get a fair chance to make up your mind although a intelligent responsible person would regardless but still your are swayed and told what to think by getting your info from the news stations.
once again moron that wasn't me.thats the second time.get your quotes straight chump.your right again L dawg i apologize AGAIN LOL disregard the last part of that but please respond to the first part...LOL there aint no need for name calling bro me and you are cool its busteds dumb ass i cant stand.
apology please.again i apologize im sorry my mistake.
your right again L dawg i apologize AGAIN LOL disregard the last part of that but please respond to the first part...LOL there aint no need for name calling bro me and you are cool its busteds dumb ass i cant stand.
again i apologize im sorry my mistake.
Beach Bum, Buffgeek and Colossus_500 sure ran away fast from the founding fathers debate.... Wonder why? ::)
Who what? ??? What debate? You want to discuss the Constitution and the Founding Fathers? Want me to start a new thread? Could be an interesting discussion.
Yet none has won outside of Portland and Eugene areas since 1988 either.
Dems win like 5 counties there, and always win the state.
Beach Bum, Buffgeek and Colossus_500 sure ran away fast from the founding fathers debate.... Wonder why? ::)
No, I finished up at work and went and had dinner with my family. I dont live on these boards like you guys do. I dont continually hit the refresh button every 5 seconds to seek validation.
It's all good.I respect your views even though I don't agree with most of them.that is what makes our country great...that we can have these debate's and disagree.But still want the best for our country and fellow man.true that
Excerpt from the First Amendment:
"Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
From a treaty with Tripoli, drafted by George Washington himself 1796 and signed by John Adams 1797:
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
I'm not even american and I still school you! ;D
The values and morals of the christian faith are what America was built upon.
let me be clear about my first statement. I said that the morales and values of christians are what this country was founded on. I stand by that. These men shaped and created our constitution based on their beliefs. The very fact that the first thing they put into the constitution was the right to freely practice any religion and forbidding the goverment to interfer with said belief was at the time astonishing.
The Treaty with Tripoli was a treaty with the muslim rulers of north africa. They simply stated what was in the first amendment. The goverment was not founded on the christian religion, but by rather men of christian faith. This sentiment is echoed earlier when Washington addressed a Jewish group telling them that "all possess like liberty of conscient and immunties of citizenship. "
I think this goes against the grain, but there was a supreme court decision "Holy trinity V. United States in 1892 in which Justice David Brewer declared that the United States of America is a Christian Nation. This was really just the judges personal opinion but it should still be noted.
The thing I never understand is where in the constitution is defines the separation of church and state? I know it protects religious freedoms, but where is the separation of church and state in the constitution? I am not a constitutional scholar so if someone knows please tell me.
The bottom line is that the US was NOT founed to be officially Christian or any religion, but was formed by the principlas and beliefs of christian men. The goverment was founded to be neurtral on religous matters so that people could decide what is best for them. Because of this we are the most free society in the world to practice any religion (or non ) we choose.
actually the decemberists are a pretty popular band especially likely to appeal to alot of the new age younger generation so you might wanna check your sarcasm.you guys still arn't addressing the fact that they were on before Obama.
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BULLSHIT!
Wow you make a great arguement there. I find your ideas facinating and intriguing and would like to subrscribe to your newsletter.
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I start a perfectly good thread, ...and BB perverts it with religious bullshit. :'(
Palin had 800 at a Rally yesterday.
Palin had 60,000 in Florida and just gave Saturday night the highest ratings they had in 14 years.
Beach Bum, Buffgeek and Colossus_500 sure ran away fast from the founding fathers debate.... Wonder why? ::)
No, they did not run away from this debate...and I will not run away from it either. I invite you to continue this debate here:
AMERICA WAS FOUNDED UPON CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=133677.msg1901265#msg1901265
No, they did not run away from this debate...and I will not run away from it either. I invite you to continue this debate here:fuckoff, no it was not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It was most certainly founded with the intent of keeping religion and gov seperate.
AMERICA WAS FOUNDED UPON CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=133677.msg1901265#msg1901265
fuckoff, no it was not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It was most certainly founded with the intent of keeping religion and gov seperate.
Palin had 60,000 in Florida and just gave Saturday night the highest ratings they had in 14 years.
I'm starting to feel that there should be a equivalent of Anticimex to help you out when dealing with these people. Their lies are dirty.these fucking morons... I'm at a loss...
The values and morals of the christian faith are what America was built upon.
Whats funny about those pics is that none of those robots (like you) have no idea why they're voting for him!
you guys still arn't addressing the fact that they were on before Obama.i never said anything about that all i addressed is the guy who was saying it was a no name band when they are not.
Wow you make a great arguement there. I find your ideas facinating and intriguing and would like to subrscribe to your newsletter.
where the Decemberists there too?
I am sure they were >:(
Press is also reporting he got 45,000 in NM and McCain got around 1,000 same state around same timing.
I am sure the Decemberists were there as well, Obama prolly has them traveling with him to, you know, draw crowds.