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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: vatani on January 28, 2014, 08:38:53 PM
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Stats are 20 yearsold Weighing 230 ATM im 8 months out from comp light as fuck for me but I got injured partial pec tear 20 or so weeks ago see other thread.
You guys reckon run test at 2 grams 100o with eq or 1000 deca or 600 eq and 600 deca iv just been hitting 2 grams test for last week need to add somthing also taking 2.5 Letro aday
And no I don't usually run this much shit never been over 2 g
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Well, you are certainly a man with muscles.
What kind of cycling experience do you have and what compounds do you normally like running? Whatever you're doing so far looks like it's working well. Adding more anabolics can only mean bigger and better results.
BTW, how is that letro not crippling you? Is it underdosed? Letro usually hits me one of two ways. I either feel it immediately and my joints are crippled the next day, so much so that I almost buckle in the shower and can barely push my blanket off in the morning. Or I don't feel anything until about a week in and I'm crippled. I'd probably lower the dose and add some aromasin in there. I think it's a better long term solution and you don't particularly need to obliterate estrogen when you attack the problem from that angle. A little estrogen's important for sexual function, as well as cardiovascular health.
If my knees and elbows don't feel destroyed from letro, it's my penis that turtles up and goes into hibernation. I really can't tolerate letro that well. I usually cut 2.5mg tablets in half and just take one EOD or every few days as needed.
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Well, you are certainly a man with muscles.
What kind of cycling experience do you have and what compounds do you normally like running? Whatever you're doing so far looks like it's working well. Adding more anabolics can only mean bigger and better results.
BTW, how is that letro not crippling you? Is it underdosed? Letro usually hits me one of two ways. I either feel it immediately and my joints are crippled the next day, so much so that I almost buckle in the shower and can barely push my blanket off in the morning. Or I don't feel anything until about a week in and I'm crippled. I'd probably lower the dose and add some aromasin in there. I think it's a better long term solution and you don't particularly need to obliterate estrogen when you attack the problem from that angle. A little estrogen's important for sexual function, as well as cardiovascular health.
If my knees and elbows don't feel destroyed from letro, it's my penis that turtles up and goes into hibernation. I really can't tolerate letro that well. I usually cut 2.5mg tablets in half and just take one EOD or every few days as needed.
My standard bulker and highest dose pre this cycle was 750 test e 600 deca 350 - 500 tren 10 iu slin pwo, iv been using on and off since around 18. As far as the Letro I just thought since I'm taking so much shit need it to keep bloat off I get bad gyno and water retention fucks my bp
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looking good. I run 3x the amount and don't have ur size. Eq if you want to be ripped / more vascular or deca for more size, that simple and since you are months out from comp, I'd go deca. At your size, I don't recommend a low dose of 600 for eq or deca. Make it a gram with at least 2g of test. But everyone is different, don't know what you can handle.
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Holy fuck you're jacked!!! :o
Personally, I would do 2g test, 1g deca this far out.... switch to EQ as you get closer to the show, but it's a matter of which drug you prefer.
What's the diet like big guy?
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Holy fuck you're jacked!!! :o
Personally, I would do 2g test, 1g deca this far out.... switch to EQ as you get closer to the show, but it's a matter of which drug you prefer.
What's the diet like big guy?
Deca it is then
Well my bulking diet ATM is very clean ill slowy add more cals in as I don't wana gain to much fat
Meal 1 1 cup oats berry banana smothie 5 whole eggs
Meal 2 1 cup rice and chicken or mince
Meal 3 same
Pre workout shake 25 protein 25 carbs
Intra workout shake same as pre
Post workout shake 70 gram protein banana berry smothie
Meal 4 steak 1 cup rice
Meal 5 25o gram meat and veg
Meal 6 25o gram meat and veg
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your left side looks stronger then your right side,are you left handed? usually it is the opposite. A tad narrow but that has nothing to do with the drugs you are taking just hit some more lat work and shoulder presses. You could jack up your EQ 200mg and your deca 200mg and see what happens,can't hurt, what kind of orals are you going to toss in closer to comp time?
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your left side looks stronger then your right side,are you left handed? usually it is the opposite. A tad narrow but that has nothing to do with the drugs you are taking just hit some more lat work and shoulder presses. You could jack up your EQ 200mg and your deca 200mg and see what happens,can't hurt, what kind of orals are you going to toss in closer to comp time?
Lol my right side is bigger man, I don't expect to have big delts I havnt pressed more than 60 and lat raised more than 15 kg in 5 months
Well ill add tren and probly drop deca maby not to sure on orals iv never really ran them
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That pic looks good bro, how tall are you?
8 months out....roughly 32 weeks is plenty of time.
Why are you running letro? and 2.5mg a day? imho arimidex at .5mg ed to even eod off season is plenty, and some guys even get away with none. I have never used letro except the last 2 weeks before a show, I dont even know anybody that used that much that far out from a contest(not bragging, but I have a lot of top nat comp. friends and ifbb pros, and have worked with top coaches) that much letro will fuck you up. You diet could use some tweeking, if the rest of you looks as lean as your arms shoulders do, you should be eating more food, especially post workout.
Chubz
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All the way big dude!
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Stats are 20 yearsold Weighing 230 ATM im 8 months out from comp light as fuck for me but I got injured partial pec tear 20 or so weeks ago see other thread.
You guys reckon run test at 2 grams 100o with eq or 1000 deca or 600 eq and 600 deca iv just been hitting 2 grams test for last week need to add somthing also taking 2.5 Letro aday
And no I don't usually run this much shit never been over 2 g
holy mary, mother of god, where did this freak come from, wow, 20 years old? Dam impressive genetics here, not because he is huge or built for his age but because his structure can be favorable for bodybuilding, tiny joints, small bones, full muscle bellies, great insertion points, this guy will win shows, good fucken job so far bro, be conservative and don't mess this up by megadosing to early.
This is a future ifbb pro, no doubt.
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we haven't seen the legs or back though...
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That pic looks good bro, how tall are you?
8 months out....roughly 32 weeks is plenty of time.
Why are you running letro? and 2.5mg a day? imho arimidex at .5mg ed to even eod off season is plenty, and some guys even get away with none. I have never used letro except the last 2 weeks before a show, I dont even know anybody that used that much that far out from a contest(not bragging, but I have a lot of top nat comp. friends and ifbb pros, and have worked with top coaches) that much letro will fuck you up. You diet could use some tweeking, if the rest of you looks as lean as your arms shoulders do, you should be eating more food, especially post workout.
Chubz
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im 179 cm tall man thats around 5 ft 10 i think i am very prone to gyno but i have adex maby ill switch to that , i just thought with the ammount of shit i was running it would be necessary, Basically im adding cals in slowly to not get fat
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we haven't seen the legs or back though...
yah.
looks good, but this is 3 gramms of gear :-\
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yah.
looks good, but this is 3 gramms of gear :-\
but at only 20, not like he has been doing it for a long time at this rate.we haven't seen the legs or back though...
true, legs make or break a physique.
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and the back.the back makes a stage winning physique more than anything else.
i overlooked hes only 20, this is very good results then.
go for it, thats the age to juice heavily 8)
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and the back.the back makes a stage winning physique more than anything else.
i overlooked hes only 20, this is very good results then.
go for it, thats the age to juice heavily 8)
at 20 even if his legs or back is behind he have lots of years to improve them..beast
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im 179 cm tall man thats around 5 ft 10 i think i am very prone to gyno but i have adex maby ill switch to that , i just thought with the ammount of shit i was running it would be necessary, Basically im adding cals in slowly to not get fat
Arimidex should be enough to combat gyno, if you are getting sensitive then throw in some letro. I would add more calories to your post workout, up the carbs to 2 cups of rice after training meal. The rest of the body pics would help also. so you are running 2000 grams of test and 600 grams eq and 600 grams of deca? I personally like running deca and eq together, I know a lot of people will argue till they are blue in the face one or the other, but for me they work great together. I never use orals except for the last 8 weeks of contest prep, besides anti estrogens.
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Arimidex should be enough to combat gyno, if you are getting sensitive then throw in some letro. I would add more calories to your post workout, up the carbs to 2 cups of rice after training meal. The rest of the body pics would help also. so you are running 2000 grams of test and 600 grams eq and 600 grams of deca? I personally like running deca and eq together, I know a lot of people will argue till they are blue in the face one or the other, but for me they work great together. I never use orals except for the last 8 weeks of contest prep, besides anti estrogens.
Would you see any point running and deca together?
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rimidex cant stop gyno from deca and tren.
hope this helps
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Would you see any point running and deca together?
If your asking deca and eq together, all I can say is it works for me. Like I said people will argue their science, I just know what works, Hany had me do it pre-contest and I swear by them together now.
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Lol my right side is bigger man, I don't expect to have big delts I havnt pressed more than 60 and lat raised more than 15 kg in 5 months
Well ill add tren and probly drop deca maby not to sure on orals iv never really ran them
You look more vascular on the left side. maybe not bigger but def look more vascular on the left side. def good balance. I might throw in some Halo about 3-4 weeks before the show. use it all the way to the day of the show. damn 20 years old! Almost look like Flex Lewis did at 20 years old.
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at 20 even if his legs or back is behind he have lots of years to improve them..beast
Yup.
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hows the midsection looking,kid?
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If your asking deca and eq together, all I can say is it works for me. Like I said people will argue their science, I just know what works, Hany had me do it pre-contest and I swear by them together now.
Meant to say primo and deca. Damn auto correct.
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lol @ galeniko and bigro looking for flaws.
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lol @ galeniko and bigro looking for flaws.
Yeah I don't get it. Arms/delts are lean enough, I'm sure the midsection is tight. And if the kid is competing I'm sure he knows to train legs n back
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I havnt trained legs in months because I was unmotivated to compete or anything so they will get a lot bigger by comp time
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Damn your looking insane man...Lol I wonder to myself how you got every thing going right with your physique so fast. You don't get any acne or bad side effects running that much gear?
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Yeah I don't get it. Arms/delts are lean enough, I'm sure the midsection is tight. And if the kid is competing I'm sure he knows to train legs n back
What they should be asking is how his hair is holding up...
I mean who cares about all the other stuff ;D
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Damn your looking insane man...Lol I wonder to myself how you got every thing going right with your physique so fast. You don't get any acne or bad side effects running that much gear?
Cheers man well as far as side effects got iv only run this dose for a week usually its between 750- -1900 mgs , so far iv noticed crazy night sweats and hot all the time on 3 grams alil more blacken to but I feel great
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What they should be asking is how his hair is holding up...
I mean who cares about all the other stuff ;D
Believe it or not gear has zero effect on my hairline lol
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Believe it or not gear has zero effect on my hairline lol
ok now I'm jealous
:P
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Yeah dude you look great. Keep us updated on what you do 8)
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What u guys think about adding gh
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What u guys think about adding gh
Yes of course add at least 6-10IU a day to start then try to get comfortable taking about 12-15IU's a day if it is chinese grade also start the insulin(long acting) with the HGH and you will go pro in a few years. That is a crazy physique especially if you are not even using HGH and insulin. If you were in the states I would sponsor you myself-lol
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random pic from last night up 5 lbs
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Lookin swole Vatani, when people say someone could go pro I want to see the whole physique that's all nothing personal.
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Yes of course add at least 6-10IU a day to start then try to get comfortable taking about 12-15IU's a day if it is chinese grade also start the insulin(long acting) with the HGH and you will go pro in a few years. That is a crazy physique especially if you are not even using HGH and insulin. If you were in the states I would sponsor you myself-lol
Nice to afford 12-15IU a day...
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lol @ galeniko and bigro looking for flaws.
he wants to play with the elite of the elite, ;D
nah he can do it it seems.
but like ro said on the stage lenght and widht of torso, such things make you or break you.
but this kid can do it.
as for adding gh, hm, well why not
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This is almost hard to believe especially if you are not even on HGH. Hold up a sign with your screen-name and date and also put getbig on the sign. You just look really fucking big for 20 years old. I def thought you were already on HGH and slin. You might be the best guy 20 years old who has posted here in awhile but prove it with a sign that that is you 100%. The guy in the picture looks older then 20 years old-IMO. Not trying to take credit away from you just have not seen somebody so young with that kind of muscle maturity post on getbig in years,like I said you almost look like flex lewis looked like when he was 20 years old same with steve kuclo he was pretty advanced for 20 years old. You are kind of in that ballpark but prove it and shut me up.
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he wants to play with the elite of the elite, ;D
nah he can do it it seems.
but like ro said on the stage lenght and widht of torso, such things make you or break you.
but this kid can do it.
as for adding gh, hm, well why not
guys i never even said i could go pro lol i just wana compete to start off with haha
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This is almost hard to believe especially if you are not even on HGH. Hold up a sign with your screen-name and date and also put getbig on the sign. You just look really fucking big for 20 years old. I def thought you were already on HGH and slin. You might be the best guy 20 years old who has posted here in awhile but prove it with a sign that that is you 100%. The guy in the picture looks older then 20 years old-IMO. Not trying to take credit away from you just have not seen somebody so young with that kind of muscle maturity post on getbig in years,like I said you almost look like flex lewis looked like when he was 20 years old same with steve kuclo he was pretty advanced for 20 years old. You are kind of in that ballpark but prove it and shut me up.
here bro and i wish i had gh just so expensive
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Big dude...all the way. Props.
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Great genetics man, you are huge for your age or any age for that matter.
Whatever you are doing is working!
8)
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Great genetics man, you are huge for your age or any age for that matter.
Whatever you are doing is working!
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Thanks bro
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guys i never even said i could go pro lol i just wana compete to start off with haha
no one is as qualified more then me to know who has potential, I live on the bodybuilding stage 12 bodybuilding shows per year I stage. Right face to face on stage and observe what the judges reward.
Key to turn pro.
Things that you can control but genetics play a role in limitations.
#1. size and conditioning
#2. Complete muscle groups. (shoulders, traps, delts, chest, back, arms, legs, calves)
Things you can not control.
what the judges favor
#1. Small bone structure.
#2. Deep lines and separation.
#3. Insertion to the muscle
Now back to the OP, the progress he has shown at only 20, the first 2 key points should not be a problem in time as long as he stays away from rec drugs.
The next 3 points he has in spades, he is 25 -30lb give or take from contest shape, I mean real contest shape and he is already showing flaring muscle groups and separation, look at his delt and tricep tie ins, just imagine how more pronounce it would be in contest shape.
Problems he may encounter is showing up on stage not in contest shape, which is common among people with this type of physique because they have great shape that makes them look leaner and on stage the lights fucken kill them up there as the lights only favor conditioning.
So nail your condition above all else, get as lean as humonly possible and your shape will carry you better then size.
Remember though although he can turn pro, has all the right tools, he is only as good as his last showing.
Good luck brother
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I don't know. What the rules are on here but can somone point me towards a legit gh source
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I don't know. What the rules are on here but can somone point me towards a legit gh source
yuou will soon get pms i think :D
btw, you and oth look very similiar face-wise 8)
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dont ask for hgh sources here bro, you'll get flooded with nonsense pm
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dont ask for hgh sources here bro, you'll get flooded with nonsense pm
Hmm I have no idea were to get the shit and who to trust
Mods do pm please lol
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Hmm I have no idea were to get the shit and who to trust
Mods do pm please lol
Sorry man, we don't operate like that.
There are a lot of other boards that have good sources.
8)
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yuou will soon get pms i think :D
btw, you and oth look very similiar face-wise 8)
yes the deviants do seem to crawl out from under their rocks when a younger fella who is "less seasoned" to the "ways" of the bodybuilding industry pops up :)
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here bro and i wish i had gh just so expensive
OK now post your birth certificate-just kidding. Simply amazing! You look incredinle for somebody at any age yet 20 years old. Why not think about going pro? If you have not competed yet you still have alot to learn,mostly posing routines and how to hold diffrent poses. You look great on just a small amount of gear, what you are taking is alot of gear to some people but it is not very high compared to guys your age that compete like bostin lloyd and other Bodybuilders. Your not even taking HGH and insulin wich will help your physique alot!
You are young so you probably do not make a fortune, USA name brand pharmaceutical HGH is what you want to buy but a kit of serostim or genotropin will run you close to 600$-750$ for a legit kit. 126IU's and 100Iu's for the genotropin. You might want to look into a very top motch chinese brand and you can pay as low as 100$ for 100IU's, and Insulin is dirt cheap and the long acting version can be sold over the counter at any pharmacy.
I would start using Insulin ASAP,no matter if you have HGH or not. With the extended release insulin you can buy over the counter at walmart.The #1 thing is to stay consistent and do as much as you can with what you have on hand. Even if you use insulin without HGH it will still help you heal quicker and insulin is pretty anablic so you will get some new pumps and new muscle mass. Insulin is the best/cheapest product you can buy over the counter(take advantage). You also know the insulin is 100% real where as the HGH you buy might be bunk.
Insulin is a much safer buy HGH and insulin of course do work synergistically but insulin will still work without HGH. Might as well start using the insulin ASAP.
Great job for being 20 years old! How long have you been using AAS? sorry if you already answered any of these questions but do you live in the states?
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OK now post your birth certificate-just kidding. Simply amazing! You look incredinle for somebody at any age yet 20 years old. Why not think about going pro? If you have not competed yet you still have alot to learn,mostly posing routines and how to hold diffrent poses. You look great on just a small amount of gear, what you are taking is alot of gear to some people but it is not very high compared to guys your age that compete like bostin lloyd and other Bodybuilders. Your not even taking HGH and insulin wich will help your physique alot!
You are young so you probably do not make a fortune, USA name brand pharmaceutical HGH is what you want to buy but a kit of serostim or genotropin will run you close to 600$-750$ for a legit kit. 126IU's and 100Iu's for the genotropin. You might want to look into a very top motch chinese brand and you can pay as low as 100$ for 100IU's, and Insulin is dirt cheap and the long acting version can be sold over the counter at any pharmacy.
I would start using Insulin ASAP,no matter if you have HGH or not. With the extended release insulin you can buy over the counter at walmart.The #1 thing is to stay consistent and do as much as you can with what you have on hand. Even if you use insulin without HGH it will still help you heal quicker and insulin is pretty anablic so you will get some new pumps and new muscle mass. Insulin is the best/cheapest product you can buy over the counter(take advantage). You also know the insulin is 100% real where as the HGH you buy might be bunk.
Insulin is a much safer buy HGH and insulin of course do work synergistically but insulin will still work without HGH. Might as well start using the insulin ASAP.
Great job for being 20 years old! How long have you been using AAS? sorry if you already answered any of these questions but do you live in the states?
Does exogenous insulin use in a non-diabetic person suppress pancreatic insulin production, along the lines of testosterone suppression of the HPTA?
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Does exogenous insulin use in a non-diabetic person suppress pancreatic insulin production, along the lines of testosterone suppression of the HPTA?
Not that I'd ever seen in my research. The risk is in going hypoglycemic, which is a serious risk in its own right
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Does exogenous insulin use in a non-diabetic person suppress pancreatic insulin production, along the lines of testosterone suppression of the HPTA?
I myself would worry about that even though some do not worry about it. Like proudvirgin said you can also go hypoglycemic if you don't eat correctly right after a shot of Insulin. some people say no using insulin dosn't suppress pancreaticinsulin production but I would be very careful using insulin if you are not Diabetic.If you diet perfectly it will help big time but it is still a very scary drug to use if you are not diebetic. Long term you might turn yourself into a diabetic. That is just my opinion as many people have diffrent opinions on this topic. My old guru didn;t think it would hurt me but he was the kind of gurur who would tell you to use anything to get an edge. If the
Anything your body is not used to and does not need will probably produce some side effects. I would recommend Insulin to guys who might have a chance of going pro like this vatani Kid. Vatani really does have the look to go pro especially if he is not even on HGH and insulin yet
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You haven't even seen his whole body front to back side to side, yet your telling him he can go pro?
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You haven't even seen his whole body front to back side to side, yet your telling him he can go pro?
*pats head reassuringly* Yes, yes, your physique is very good too
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holy mary, mother of god, where did this freak come from, wow, 20 years old? Dam impressive genetics here, not because he is huge or built for his age but because his structure can be favorable for bodybuilding, tiny joints, small bones, full muscle bellies, great insertion points, this guy will win shows, good fucken job so far bro, be conservative and don't mess this up by megadosing to early.
This is a future ifbb pro, no doubt.
You said that about Bostin Lloyd.
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Does exogenous insulin use in a non-diabetic person suppress pancreatic insulin production, along the lines of testosterone suppression of the HPTA?
Yes. That is why we try to prolong the need for insulin in diabetics and keep them on the oral meds. Once they get on insulin their native production is lost.
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It recovers really fast though, it's nothing like suppression of the HPTA really
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You haven't even seen his whole body front to back side to side, yet your telling him he can go pro?
I think he has alot of time to go pro if he is 20 years old just by looking at his front. Even if he is lagging he has years to bring his weak parts up and this dude is not even using HGH and insulin so I have to say he has a good chance,maybe not pro but def somebody to watch out for.he is Not quite on your level yet bigro, but you have to admit the guy has potential.