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Anyone know?
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Golden Retriever
Labs
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Golden Retriever
Labs
Bloodhounds apparently too....
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Pitbulls. Its just when they aren't gentle you read about it in the news.
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Pitbulls. Its just when they aren't gentle you read about it in the news.
that depends on the dog and how they are raised, but I know quite a few of them that are very good with children---much better than you'd expect by listening to the media.
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that depends on the dog and how they are raised, but I know quite a few of them that are very good with children---much better than you'd expect by listening to the media.
I take mine to work with me everyday, and have been doing so since she was a pup. We have a number of disabled people that belong to my club because of the volunteer work I do. She has a really gentle way about her with those people. Very odd, almost like she knows. She's especially careful around a blind lady. She will go over to her and sit next to her and lean against her leg to let her know she's there. The lady then pets her and talks to her.
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My two boys are great with everyone. I just wouldn't suggest walking into my house un-invited. Chaos for some reason doesn't like people just walking in. You can knock and come in or be let in and he is fine, but just walking in is a huge NO-NO..
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english mastiff
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I just knew this would become a pitbull thread. :-\
Certain dogs are bred for behavioural characteristics and I think the consensus would be that Labbys are more gentle than dobermans or rotweilers, etc.
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Okay we won't make it a Pitbull thread. Chaos is a staffy so how about we talk about staffie's???
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I'm asking this because one day day if I ever settle down I want to get a dog but I would like to get a gentle breed.
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I just knew this would become a pitbull thread. :-\
Certain dogs are bred for behavioural characteristics and I think the consensus would be that Labbys are more gentle than dobermans or rotweilers, etc.
I disagree with that to a point. It depends on the type of "Lab" you get now days. There is a serious divergence in the breed---from the traditional hard working breed--a dog that was capable of being rock solid steady in a duck blind and then exploding out into action to retrieve (remember they are retrievers) or a dog that will help its owner haul in a boat and then sit by his side all day long as he drives the truck around the farm to these bounce off the wall super hyper things you see so often now days. There is no way in the world I'd call those dogs "gentle". They are too busy vibrating.
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I disagree with that to a point. It depends on the type of "Lab" you get now days. There is a serious divergence in the breed---from the traditional hard working breed--a dog that was capable of being rock solid steady in a duck blind and then exploding out into action to retrieve (remember they are retrievers) or a dog that will help its owner haul in a boat and then sit by his side all day long as he drives the truck around the farm to these bounce off the wall super hyper things you see so often now days. There is no way in the world I'd call those dogs "gentle". They are too busy vibrating.
Bloodhound; Scottish Deerhound....
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i have a pitbulls and agree there great dogs however i will say dont get anything small, i mean under 35 pounds will probaly be mean and snip at you/kids alot. i personally think larger dogs are gentler, pits, danes, mastiffs, aussies, mixs, hounds, labs, (be careful with golden retrivers not the smartest dog and kind of jumpy) dogs that were ment to work are usualy ure best dog.
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Great danes are a large but very gentle and well-tempered breed.
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Most hounds but perticularly Bassetts
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Great danes are a large but very gentle and well-tempered breed.
But they have big asses though! :D
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But they have big asses though! :D
That they do! :D
They will crawl up and sit on your lap if you let them. ::)
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Boxers. Some have referred to them as gentle giants. Neither of mine has ever been in the least bit aggressive towards anybody.
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Most hounds but perticularly Bassetts
I disagree with that completely.
Its a common saying among veterinarians that Beagles are Babies and Bassets are Bitches......
meaning that they will both howl like crazy as they bite the crap out of you. My wife had to have multiple dog bite related quaranteens when we were in veterinary school working at the humane society----all of them came from either beagles, basset hounds, or mixes of the two breeds.
that said, I think beagles and bassets are both great dogs. My mother in laws basset is a trip. I just dont rank them anywhere near the "gentle" category because of their predisposition for nipping, then howling loudly.
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I disagree with that completely.
Its a common saying among veterinarians that Beagles are Babies and Bassets are Bitches......
meaning that they will both howl like crazy as they bite the crap out of you. My wife had to have multiple dog bite related quaranteens when we were in veterinary school working at the humane society----all of them came from either beagles, basset hounds, or mixes of the two breeds.
that said, I think beagles and bassets are both great dogs. My mother in laws basset is a trip. I just dont rank them anywhere near the "gentle" category because of their predisposition for nipping, then howling loudly.
Thats cool Vet, I disagree with you completely as well.
In 25 years of Beagling I have yet to meet an overly rank or nasty hound. If they have become that way in recent years if due to chronic inbreeding. Other than an wierd Lasha Apso who was a great dog that I had as a kid we had several beagles/Bassetts/hound mixes, all were sweet wonderful gods. Here are a few generic blogs i grabbed
Temperament
The Basset Hound is often considered a friendly breed. Bassets are friendly and welcome the opportunity to make new friends. For this reason they are an excellent pet for families with children and other pets. In fact, it is recommended that since Bassets are "pack" animals, if the Basset must be left alone on a daily basis during the daytime while the family is away, a second pet in the family will keep a Basset out of "trouble". Bassets hate to be alone. Like Beagles, Bassets can be excitable and may be when meeting someone new, especially other dogs
Temperament: Affectionate, lazy, devoted, quiet, and peaceful, the Basset Hound does exceptionally well with a family. This breed loves children, and generally does well with other animals. They can be taught tricks, but tend to be stubborn so patience is key
Basset Hound is a very calm and companionable breed. The Basset Hound is among the most good natured and easygoing of breeds. They are an especially loyal breed known for their pleasant disposition and emotional sensitivity. Around strangers, Bassets are friendly and welcome the opportunity to make new friends. For this reason they are an excellent pet for families with children and other pets. In fact, it is recommended that since Bassets are “pack” animals, if the Basset must be left alone on a daily basis during the daytime while the family is away, a second pet in the family will keep a Basset out of “trouble”. Bassets hate to be alone.
While Bassets love food and may be less energetic than some breeds, they will exercise regularly if given the chance. Most Bassets enjoy activities that use their natural endurance, like long walks or hikes. They also enjoy tracking games that let them use their powerful nose.
Like other hounds, Basset Hounds are often difficult to obedience train. Many Basset Hounds will obey commands when offered a food reward, but will “forget” the training when a reward is not present. Bassets are notoriously difficult to housebreak. Training and housebreaking are not impossible, however, and can be accomplished with consistency and patience on the part of the owner.
Im not a vet like you are and this is all general info but on a whole Ive always found our Bassets to be big pussy cats. Maybe they are different when you poke them with needles. You have tons of experience with all kinds of dogs mine has mostly been with hounds with the exeption of my old Lasha Apso, 2 English Setters and a GSH, all 3 dogs were my uncles while I was a kid. The main reason I have a Beagle/Basset/?? mix now is there gentle nature. But to each his own!
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Thats cool Vet, I disagree with you completely as well.
In 25 years of Beagling I have yet to meet an overly rank or nasty hound. If they have become that way in recent years if due to chronic inbreeding. Other than an wierd Lasha Apso who was a great dog that I had as a kid we had several beagles/Bassetts/hound mixes, all were sweet wonderful gods. Here are a few generic blogs i grabbed
Temperament
The Basset Hound is often considered a friendly breed. Bassets are friendly and welcome the opportunity to make new friends. For this reason they are an excellent pet for families with children and other pets. In fact, it is recommended that since Bassets are "pack" animals, if the Basset must be left alone on a daily basis during the daytime while the family is away, a second pet in the family will keep a Basset out of "trouble". Bassets hate to be alone. Like Beagles, Bassets can be excitable and may be when meeting someone new, especially other dogs
Temperament: Affectionate, lazy, devoted, quiet, and peaceful, the Basset Hound does exceptionally well with a family. This breed loves children, and generally does well with other animals. They can be taught tricks, but tend to be stubborn so patience is key
Basset Hound is a very calm and companionable breed. The Basset Hound is among the most good natured and easygoing of breeds. They are an especially loyal breed known for their pleasant disposition and emotional sensitivity. Around strangers, Bassets are friendly and welcome the opportunity to make new friends. For this reason they are an excellent pet for families with children and other pets. In fact, it is recommended that since Bassets are “pack” animals, if the Basset must be left alone on a daily basis during the daytime while the family is away, a second pet in the family will keep a Basset out of “trouble”. Bassets hate to be alone.
While Bassets love food and may be less energetic than some breeds, they will exercise regularly if given the chance. Most Bassets enjoy activities that use their natural endurance, like long walks or hikes. They also enjoy tracking games that let them use their powerful nose.
Like other hounds, Basset Hounds are often difficult to obedience train. Many Basset Hounds will obey commands when offered a food reward, but will “forget” the training when a reward is not present. Bassets are notoriously difficult to housebreak. Training and housebreaking are not impossible, however, and can be accomplished with consistency and patience on the part of the owner.
Im not a vet like you are and this is all general info but on a whole Ive always found our Bassets to be big pussy cats. Maybe they are different when you poke them with needles. You have tons of experience with all kinds of dogs mine has mostly been with hounds with the exeption of my old Lasha Apso, 2 English Setters and a GSH, all 3 dogs were my uncles while I was a kid. The main reason I have a Beagle/Basset/?? mix now is there gentle nature. But to each his own!
LOL. Thats fine. Please reread what I put in the last lines of my post. I think both bassets and beagles are GREAT dogs. I haven't owned a beagle in about 15 years, but I grew up with them both as family pets and as rabbit hunters. My motherinlaw currently has a basset and she's a great dog.
I think i kind of got caught up in the nuances of the question. I just have a hard time categorizing them as "very gentle" based on the experiences I've had with them as a veterinarian. And please don't misunderstand me on this one. Everything you posted about the breeds, I agree with--- like I said before, they are great dogs. A beagle or a basset are unlikely to chase you down and bite you unless its some strange throwback, they aren't "aggressive" like some other breeds. In my experience, some of them (not all) tend to have a pronounced fear response to unpleasant stimuli. When I think of a "very gentle" dog, I think of one a kid can poke, prod, annoy, and basically torture like small children will do.
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My girlfriend has an English pointer and they are really gentle (It gets bullied by the neighbour's kittens).
Greyhounds are also pretty placid.
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LOL. Thats fine. Please reread what I put in the last lines of my post. I think both bassets and beagles are GREAT dogs. I haven't owned a beagle in about 15 years, but I grew up with them both as family pets and as rabbit hunters. My motherinlaw currently has a basset and she's a great dog.
I think i kind of got caught up in the nuances of the question. I just have a hard time categorizing them as "very gentle" based on the experiences I've had with them as a veterinarian. And please don't misunderstand me on this one. Everything you posted about the breeds, I agree with--- like I said before, they are great dogs. A beagle or a basset are unlikely to chase you down and bite you unless its some strange throwback, they aren't "aggressive" like some other breeds. In my experience, some of them (not all) tend to have a pronounced fear response to unpleasant stimuli. When I think of a "very gentle" dog, I think of one a kid can poke, prod, annoy, and basically torture like small children will do.
Its all good! ;D
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Boxers and bulldogs are the gentlest dogs ive known and protective of little ones. Mastiffs are good dogs as well but are very big and may not be suited for small children.
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I think mixing kids and dogs isn't always the best idea. if the kids are born into a household that already has dogs, thats ideal. I think it creates a greater respect of the animal among the children. its ( the dog) a constant and won't allow isolated incidents like a bite or a knockdown fom a neighbors or strangers dog to scare the child from dogs. I would recommend a 5-10 year old large dog. they are calm by that age, but still have a playful side. Much younger they are still hyper, much older and they are starting to get stiff and arthritic. I think pits and labs are a great choice. Those are the breeds that i trust over all others, cuz they are amazingly calm and not mouthy. They are known for their grace with children.
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If and when...Scottish Deerhound will be at the top of the list...
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Probably already been mentioned, but Labradors would have to be at the top of the list. I got one, cool dogs 8)
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Probably already been mentioned, but Labradors would have to be at the top of the list. I got one, cool dogs 8)
Bump for Dingo...
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Golden Retriever
Labs
Golden Retrievers are great, my parents bred them for awhile when we were kids. Can also be very protective of kids.
We had a black lab, the only dog we ever had that only liked the family, even though he was socialized as a puppy (walked, met people/dogs) he did not like anyone else in his yard or at the house. Strange.
I have had good experiences with goldens, labs, pitbulls, great danes and mixed breed dogs.
Just make sure you can dedicate the time/effort required for a large dog.
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Bernese Mountain dogs...work great with kids and other pets.
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Bernese Mountain dogs...work great with kids and other pets.
I have to say a good choice.
I've been going to a few dog shows & the Bernese & Swiss Mountain dogs usually are in the same arena areas of the Rottweilers. They seem very friendly & sweet. Not too much seems to bother them. The Mastiffs seem the same way.
Our Rottie is very sweet & lovable, but not too gentle. If you're not careful, he'll knock you down because he's a complete wiggle worm & bumps into everything. I worry about small kids with him because he really has no clue of his body size/weight. He's knocked grown people over because of his excessive wiggling & lack of gentleness.
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I have a rotty as well...the difference is the Berner can figure out how crazy they can go. She won't jump on kids but she loves to jump on me. My Rot is 11 and on her last legs..but she is a good dog. My golden is 7 and honestly is more ferosious then either dog. I need to post a pic of my berner for the dog of the month.
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ENGLISH MASTIFF
English Mastiff - Also known as the Old English Mastiff, these dogs are one of the heaviest breeds. Male Mastiffs can exceed 200 lbs. and stand as tall as 34"-36" at the shoulder. The females are usually somewhat smaller. They are very powerful, massive and muscular. Mastiffs are gentle giants, intelligent, confident and watchful but patient with a gentle nature towards family and children. Coat colors are varying shades of fawn, brindle or apricot. The grooming of a Mastiff is minimal.
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english mastiff
ENGLISH MASTIFF
English Mastiff - Also known as the Old English Mastiff, these dogs are one of the heaviest breeds. Male Mastiffs can exceed 200 lbs. and stand as tall as 34"-36" at the shoulder. The females are usually somewhat smaller. They are very powerful, massive and muscular. Mastiffs are gentle giants, intelligent, confident and watchful but patient with a gentle nature towards family and children. Coat colors are varying shades of fawn, brindle or apricot. The grooming of a Mastiff is minimal.
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Given my likely schedule, living accomodations and personality I think I will go for the whippet. :) Pretty much a firm decision I have made.
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Do you have the time and space for the exercise requirements of Whippets?
ps - accomodations is accommodations ;)
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Do you have the time and space for the exercise requirements of Whippets?
ps - accomodations is accommodations ;)
Parks are everywhere in the world and time...well...easily enough for an hour of exercise a day, maybe more.
I have been studying several breeds over the past few months and whippets in particular. I like the sighthound look second best beyond the spitz breeds ( I don't think the temperament of spitzes is well suited to me). Whippets have a reputation for calmness and gentleness, are good appartment dogs who don't need huge space (exercise isn't a problem just big space). They aren't loud (don't bark much) and are great companions. They have good health generally and short coats. The only thing they need is lots of love and enough exercise, I can give a whippet lots of those things. A friend of mine had a whippet. Super friendly and affectionate. Probably the best dog I have met (subjective of course).
I think its personality and disposition are best suited to me. Size isn't too big too. Will definitely get a male...and call him Hermes.... :)
Thanks, I make mistakes too and I freely admit it and am glad when they are pointed out. ;)
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I thought you couldn't have dogs in your place and you planned on moving around the world for a few years so you weren't even close to thinking about a dog?
Quarantine laws for some places are like 6 months. That sucks, and I wouldn't get a dog unless I knew I wasn't moving to another country.
If you are planning on moving to a new country get the dog after you get there and after you have decided you want to spend the rest of your life there.
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I thought you couldn't have dogs in your place and you planned on moving around the world for a few years so you weren't even close to thinking about a dog?
Quarantine laws for some places are like 6 months. That sucks, and I wouldn't get a dog unless I knew I wasn't moving to another country.
If you are planning on moving to a new country get the dog after you get there and after you have decided you want to spend the rest of your life there.
I am moving back to Europe by the end of the year. In the future, whatever moves I will be doing will only be on the European continent so taking a dog with me won't be a problem. I don't need to decide to spend the rest of my life in one country. I will likely be in the the UK for a few years and then leave and I will take the dog with me, be it France, Portugal, Denmark or any other place. I don't see it as an issue in Europe. Of course this is all subject to the vagaries of life. If my long term plan of European settlement doesn't seem to be going to work out, I won't get the dog. We'll see. 2 years approximately...till I get one...so some time to think....
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2 years til you get one, okay, you can start deciding again then. :)
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Probably already been mentioned, but Labradors would have to be at the top of the list. I got one, cool dogs 8)
labs are playful, nice, and agreeable, but i wouldn't call them gentle by any means. it's not out of malice, they're just over 70 pounds and very energetic. we had one when i was younger (big bastard, over 100 pounds), and while he was never EVER mean, he was destructive due to his size and energy levels. obviously with lots of training they can be more obedient, but i wouldn't call labs "gentle" by nature.
bulldogs i do agree with based on my admittedly limited experience and the reading i've done. probably because they're unable to do a whole lot of aerobic activity for long stretches and tend to lay around.
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bulldogs i do agree with based on my admittedly limited experience and the reading i've done. probably because they're unable to do a whole lot of aerobic activity for long stretches and tend to lay around.
Magoo, are you still getting a bulldog? If so, we would like lots of pictures please :D
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labs, and cocker spaniels are good too. :)
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labs, and cocker spaniels are good too. :)
Cocker spaniels....never in my life.
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Magoo, are you still getting a bulldog? If so, we would like lots of pictures please :D
well i'm still working on the logistics of it (money, place for 'im etc, sucks being in college). but you can bet if i pick one up i'll be putting up pictures and videos immediately. :D
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well i'm still working on the logistics of it (money, place for 'im etc, sucks being in college). but you can bet if i pick one up i'll be putting up pictures and videos immediately. :D
Pm me if you need any help, I own a American bulldog...
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Pm me if you need any help, I own a American bulldog...
if you could just give me a round figure on annual cost of ownership that'd be good enough. i've been buying a lot of books to make sure i know what i'm getting into, but first-hand experience is always helpful.
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why not a cocker spaniel? i know 2 people who had them, and they were very good. :(
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why not a cocker spaniel? i know 2 people who had them, and they were very good. :(
Been bitten by two...bad experiences. Don't like the look either.
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Been bitten by two...bad experiences. Don't like the look either.
I've been bitten by way more than two.
A cocker spaniel is the only breed to bite me in the face---this one did it unannounce, no snarl, no stare, no curlin of the lip, nothing in terms of a warning prior to drawing blood. I reached into its kennel for the bowl it had dumped over and it just lunged at my face catching me below the eye. Cockers can be hardcore fear biters. They can also be very aggressive depending on what their experiences are with groomers. I know more than one that has to be tranqulized to go to the groomer. Now, I don't necessarily blame the dog 100% for that behavior, the groomers they've seen in the past are partially to blame, but the bottom line is they bite and they can bite without warning.
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I've been bitten by way more than two.
A cocker spaniel is the only breed to bite me in the face---this one did it unannounce, no snarl, no stare, no curlin of the lip, nothing in terms of a warning prior to drawing blood. I reached into its kennel for the bowl it had dumped over and it just lunged at my face catching me below the eye. Cockers can be hardcore fear biters. They can also be very aggressive depending on what their experiences are with groomers. I know more than one that has to be tranqulized to go to the groomer. Now, I don't necessarily blame the dog 100% for that behavior, the groomers they've seen in the past are partially to blame, but the bottom line is they bite and they can bite without warning.
I hate cockerspaniels.
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I just knew this would become a pitbull thread. :-\
Pitbulls are like baby jesus in a dogs body according to pitbull owners.
Fact of the matter is 95% of pitbull owners shouldn't own the breed cause they are idiots, like *most* of the people on this board who own one. I believe emn1964 owns a pitbull and he is one of the exceptions.
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Pitbulls are like baby jesus in a dogs body according to pitbull owners.
Fact of the matter is 95% of pitbull owners shouldn't own the breed cause they are idiots, like *most* of the people on this board who own one. I believe emn1964 owns a pitbull and he is one of the exceptions.
You calling me an idiot?
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You calling me an idiot?
lolllolz sorry ::)
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You calling me an idiot?
Oh stop, you should know better.
For the record I had no idea what breed the rescue you have is.
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Pitbulls are like baby jesus in a dogs body according to pitbull owners.
Fact of the matter is 95% of pitbull owners shouldn't own the breed cause they are idiots, like *most* of the people on this board who own one. I believe emn1964 owns a pitbull and he is one of the exceptions.
Wow, what an ignorant statement.......so now *most* people who own pits are idiots? ::)
What kind of animals do you have bad"temper35"?
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I owned a English Bulldog and she would not hurt anything. Completely placid and friendly.
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Oh stop, you should know better.
For the record I had no idea what breed the rescue you have is.
I personally dont' have a breed rescue any more. I've worked with pitbull rescues for over 10 years now. The one I ran with my wife in college was a pitbull rescue. My wife does more than I do with that now than I do, I'm just the "muscle" to go with her on site visits and make sure she's safe. I also get to play with the dogs. ;)
I'm a consulting veterinarian for a St. Bernard rescue in Ohio and with various exotic animal "rescues" across the midwest and northeast.
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Wow, what an ignorant statement.......so now *most* people who own pits are idiots? ::)
What kind of animals do you have bad"temper35"?
I have a Rottweiler.
Most people who own pitbulls should not own a dog. They buy them as a status symbol, don't train them, and try to make them look as badass as they can. A dog is not a toy, nor is it a trophy. It is a dog.
*Most* people who own pitbulls are idiots. I can repeat this every time I post if you wish, because it is true. I have had this discussion like 10x on this forum. Where have you been?
As of the past 5-10 years, pitbulls are the "in" breed. Kind of like when "the Fast and the Furious" came out so all kinds of people ran out and bought stupid ass exhausts and stickers for their little piece of shit cars, but know NOTHING about racing? You can go to a pet shop in Philly and get a pitbull for like 150 bucks. That is because they are everywhere and everyone wants one. I know of 4-5 acquaintances whom in the past year got dogs, and they all got pitbulls or a mix including some APBT. They are also very popular with women because they think they are "protective". If you wanted a protective dog, honey, you picked the wrong breed. There are plenty of smart pitbull owners out there who own one because they know the breed and its characteristics. To believe people in this country buy pitbulls because they love how athletic, loyal and good with people they are, would be the equivalent of admitting you are a dumbass.
Most people buy pitbulls because they "look cool", they are "tough", and they will "protect my family"(one of which isn't entirely true, one which is subjective, and one which is contextual). All 3 of those are stupid fucking reasons to buy a dog.
PS - I love the offense people take to my comments, haha. I specifically use the word "most" for a reason. Has no one ever had a logic class in college? Most pitbull owners =/= all pitbull owners.
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I personally dont' have a breed rescue any more. I've worked with pitbull rescues for over 10 years now. The one I ran with my wife in college was a pitbull rescue. My wife does more than I do with that now than I do, I'm just the "muscle" to go with her on site visits and make sure she's safe. I also get to play with the dogs. ;)
I'm a consulting veterinarian for a St. Bernard rescue in Ohio and with various exotic animal "rescues" across the midwest and northeast.
I thought you still had a rescue living with you who was a pitbull mix? Guess not.
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I thought you still had a rescue living with you who was a pitbull mix? Guess not.
Oh, I misunderstood you. My old female was a "rescue" the same as the Dogo. Hoo was a Christmas gift to my wife. She technically wasn't a "rescue".
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I have a Rottweiler.
Most people who own pitbulls should not own a dog. They buy them as a status symbol, don't train them, and try to make them look as badass as they can. A dog is not a toy, nor is it a trophy. It is a dog.
*Most* people who own pitbulls are idiots. I can repeat this every time I post if you wish, because it is true. I have had this discussion like 10x on this forum. Where have you been?
As of the past 5-10 years, pitbulls are the "in" breed. Kind of like when "the Fast and the Furious" came out so all kinds of people ran out and bought stupid ass exhausts and stickers for their little piece of shit cars, but know NOTHING about racing? You can go to a pet shop in Philly and get a pitbull for like 150 bucks. That is because they are everywhere and everyone wants one. I know of 4-5 acquaintances whom in the past year got dogs, and they all got pitbulls or a mix including some APBT. They are also very popular with women because they think they are "protective". If you wanted a protective dog, honey, you picked the wrong breed. There are plenty of smart pitbull owners out there who own one because they know the breed and its characteristics. To believe people in this country buy pitbulls because they love how athletic, loyal and good with people they are, would be the equivalent of admitting you are a dumbass.
Most people buy pitbulls because they "look cool", they are "tough", and they will "protect my family"(one of which isn't entirely true, one which is subjective, and one which is contextual). All 3 of those are stupid fucking reasons to buy a dog.
PS - I love the offense people take to my comments, haha. I specifically use the word "most" for a reason. Has no one ever had a logic class in college? Most pitbull owners =/= all pitbull owners.
You know whats funny, I know people who would group "rockweiler" owners exactly as you have.
The thing about pitbulls is I know quite a few doctors (both human and veterinarians), lawyers, nurses, college professors, and others who are very well educated who own pitbulls because of how loyal, athletic, and devoted the dogs are. Thats why I own the ones I do, thats why my wife (who is a doctor and a college professor) is so devoted to the breed. Its a group of "bad" owners combined with idiot legislators who are ruining things for everyone. Also mark my words, if there is legal success in eliminating pitbulls legally (like some of the antipit people out there) it will open a pandoras box of breed specific legislature that will harm virtually everyone who owns a large breed dog. Insurance companies declining to provide homeowners insurance because someone owns a dog like a boxer is just the beginning.
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You know whats funny, I know people who would group "rockweiler" owners exactly as you have.
The thing about pitbulls is I know quite a few doctors (both human and veterinarians), lawyers, nurses, college professors, and others who are very well educated who own pitbulls because of how loyal, athletic, and devoted the dogs are. Thats why I own the ones I do, thats why my wife (who is a doctor and a college professor) is so devoted to the breed. Its a group of "bad" owners combined with idiot legislators who are ruining things for everyone. Also mark my words, if there is legal success in eliminating pitbulls legally (like some of the antipit people out there) it will open a pandoras box of breed specific legislature that will harm virtually everyone who owns a large breed dog. Insurance companies declining to provide homeowners insurance because someone owns a dog like a boxer is just the beginning.
So which % would those responsible dog owners you have mentioned make up in the larger scheme of pitbull owners? I am going to say a miniscule %, agreed?
The only people I know who own Rottweilers are brilliant with their dogs. The trainer of my obedience class has the #1 obedience Rottweiler in the country, and the #3 dog. As a breed, they have fallen out of "Style", as I believe people generally understand the amount of work it takes to raise one, as people some day will with pitbulls. Pitbulls on the other hand are a dime a dozen. On my street alone, just my street, 4 out of 6 dog owners has a pitbull. They also never leave the yard. The random people in my neighborhood I do see walking them have a metal link chain for a leash and the dog is walking so far out in front of them, that their body is angled and arm is bouncing.
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One thing I will say about a Rottweiler is that they are not for everyone & should not be a breed to replace Lassie as the all American family dog.
They require a lot of work, exercise, & a strong presence/leadership (alpha some call it). I sometimes think of it as being a good role model as we're the one who set the standard for him to follow.
Ours is the greastest Dog I've ever had. Extremely loyal, friendly & smart. He also requires alot of attention. He has a very active drive. He needs to be walked everyday or exercised. When he doesn't, he becomes very mischievous. The last thing you want is a 100+ pound dog like a Rottie that wants to find his own form of activities to keep himself busy. Usually things become chewed, swallowed, destroyed, etc.. When I miss a walk or a run with him in the hills...he will sit there & stare at me & follow me around until I break out a toy, a wrestling match, or the leash for a walk.
I've seen Rotties in the past where I would not trust them with other people other than the owner. I believe they need a strong guidance & proper influence (socialization) right from the start. They need a set of rules to be established & followed to the T. As a puppy, he challenged some rules, but learned by persistence & a firm hand, that rules are not broken & will be always followed. Now that he's 2....he doesn't have a desire to 'test'...because there would be no need to try.
Trust me...although he has all these rules....he's spoiled in alot of ways & probably has more 'play time' & fun like any other dog.
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One thing I will say about a Rottweiler is that they are not for everyone & should not be a breed to replace Lassie as the all American family dog.
They require a lot of work, exercise, & a strong presence/leadership (alpha some call it). I sometimes think of it as being a good role model as we're the one who set the standard for him to follow.
Ours is the greastest Dog I've ever had. Extremely loyal, friendly & smart. He also requires alot of attention. He has a very active drive. He needs to be walked everyday or exercised. When he doesn't, he becomes very mischievous. The last thing you want is a 100+ pound dog like a Rottie that wants to find his own form of activities to keep himself busy. Usually things become chewed, swallowed, destroyed, etc.. When I miss a walk or a run with him in the hills...he will sit there & stare at me & follow me around until I break out a toy, a wrestling match, or the leash for a walk.
I've seen Rotties in the past where I would not trust them with other people other than the owner. I believe they need a strong guidance & proper influence (socialization) right from the start. They need a set of rules to be established & followed to the T. As a puppy, he challenged some rules, but learned by persistence & a firm hand, that rules are not broken & will be always followed. Now that he's 2....he doesn't have a desire to 'test'...because there would be no need to try.
Trust me...although he has all these rules....he's spoiled in alot of ways & probably has more 'play time' & fun like any other dog.
Great post. The Rottweiler in a nutshell basically. They are also total CLOWNS. Personality like I never imagined a dog could have.
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Great post. The Rottweiler in a nutshell basically. They are also total CLOWNS. Personality like I never imagined a dog could have.
Yeah..ours has a "funny" side as I call it. Sometimes...I really think he believes he's funny or a jokester. For example, when he wants to goof around & play with me...he'll walk behind me & grab the tab on the back of my sneaker. When I turn around...he's got this silly expression on his face...he's sitting real still....with his mouth opened 1/4" & I can just see his bottom teeth. I usually reply "oh...you just think you're funny?"....& then he runs around like a goofy bastard like he was just "busted".
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I have a Rottweiler.
Most people who own pitbulls should not own a dog. They buy them as a status symbol, don't train them, and try to make them look as badass as they can. A dog is not a toy, nor is it a trophy. It is a dog.
*Most* people who own pitbulls are idiots. I can repeat this every time I post if you wish, because it is true. I have had this discussion like 10x on this forum. Where have you been?
As of the past 5-10 years, pitbulls are the "in" breed. Kind of like when "the Fast and the Furious" came out so all kinds of people ran out and bought stupid ass exhausts and stickers for their little piece of shit cars, but know NOTHING about racing? You can go to a pet shop in Philly and get a pitbull for like 150 bucks. That is because they are everywhere and everyone wants one. I know of 4-5 acquaintances whom in the past year got dogs, and they all got pitbulls or a mix including some APBT. They are also very popular with women because they think they are "protective". If you wanted a protective dog, honey, you picked the wrong breed. There are plenty of smart pitbull owners out there who own one because they know the breed and its characteristics. To believe people in this country buy pitbulls because they love how athletic, loyal and good with people they are, would be the equivalent of admitting you are a dumbass.
Most people buy pitbulls because they "look cool", they are "tough", and they will "protect my family"(one of which isn't entirely true, one which is subjective, and one which is contextual). All 3 of those are stupid fucking reasons to buy a dog.
PS - I love the offense people take to my comments, haha. I specifically use the word "most" for a reason. Has no one ever had a logic class in college? Most pitbull owners =/= all pitbull owners.
Settle down "temper" no one is offended by your blanket statement. ::)
I could turn that statement to humans and offend several, but I won't.
I have pits and many of my friends have pits. None for fighting or "family protection".
F'ing dogs would probably play with an intruder before they protected anything. ::)
BUT, the people I know are all very responsible with their dogs and a few have young children that the dogs just love. The breed gets a bad rap, and I for one, will not feed into it. These dogs are the most loyal, fun loving dogs I have experienced and when the time comes, I will get another.
BTW for what it's worth, I have never had a bad experience with a pit, Rott, or any other of the "bully" dogs, only with the goddamned "anklebiters". >:(
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Great post. The Rottweiler in a nutshell basically. They are also total CLOWNS. Personality like I never imagined a dog could have.
Yeah, that was a good post. In my opinion rottweilers pretty much have the same extremes that you see with pitbulls. As a matter of fact, I think its a bit asanine to suggest that they are really that much different in extremes of perceptions other than the media loves to jump on a pitbull story right now. Rotts were the "evil dogs" of the 1980's when I was a kid. They have fallen from favor by the punks and as a result the media doesn't pick up on them as much.
I've encountered some rottweilers I'll call flat out dangerous. I mean unpredictable, will maul you with little prevocation or warning dangerous. Unfortunately, for some reason, those Rotts owners all seem to be equally stupid. One of the worst Ive seen was a dog I saw in Kentucky that as I was doing a physical exam, lunged almost off the table biting my hand---not just biting it, but taking my entire hand up to mid forearm in its mouth and crushing down. I did the only thing I could, I doubled my fist as tight as I could and shoved it down the dogs throat until it gagged and let me go. The owner literally EXPLODED on me for "CHOKING HIS ROCKWEILER". It didn't matter at all that the damned dog had been trying to eat me less than 30 seconds before.
In all honesty, I've met far fewer pitbulls I'd put in that catagory than Rotts. At the same time, I've met way more pitbull owners who flat out do increadibly stupid things with their dogs, setting themselves up for problems with the dog and are completely oblivious to what they are doing. Rottweiler owners can have very good dogs, if they are responsible owners and take the time to socialize and train the dogs just like pitbulls.
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The only people I know who own Rottweilers are brilliant with their dogs. The trainer of my obedience class has the #1 obedience Rottweiler in the country, and the #3 dog. As a breed, they have fallen out of "Style", as I believe people generally understand the amount of work it takes to raise one, as people some day will with pitbulls. Pitbulls on the other hand are a dime a dozen. On my street alone, just my street, 4 out of 6 dog owners has a pitbull. They also never leave the yard. The random people in my neighborhood I do see walking them have a metal link chain for a leash and the dog is walking so far out in front of them, that their body is angled and arm is bouncing.
Just out of curiosity how old are you?
Go to any large city in the midwest and go to the poorer neighborhoods or trailer parks on the outskirts of the city. As a matter of fact, go to any trailer park and look at the Rotts there. Also go to "white trashville" in the Midwest. You will find more dumbass "Rockwilers" there than I think you are willing to accept. When I worked for the Humane Society in vet school 12 years ago, I'd be willing to bet 1 out of 6 dogs that came in were listed as at least "Half-Rockwiler". Rott mixes were a dime a dozen because no one who owned a male dared to nueter it, so the dogs ran around in an orgie of making puppies. The weirdest mix I saw was the Scottie-Rottweiler mix one of my vetschool classmates had. They looked like powerlifter Scotties.
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Just out of curiosity how old are you?
Go to any large city in the midwest and go to the poorer neighborhoods or trailer parks on the outskirts of the city. As a matter of fact, go to any trailer park and look at the Rotts there. Also go to "white trashville" in the Midwest. You will find more dumbass "Rockwilers" there than I think you are willing to accept. When I worked for the Humane Society in vet school 12 years ago, I'd be willing to bet 1 out of 6 dogs that came in were listed as at least "Half-Rockwiler". Rott mixes were a dime a dozen because no one who owned a male dared to nueter it, so the dogs ran around in an orgie of making puppies. The weirdest mix I saw was the Scottie-Rottweiler mix one of my vetschool classmates had. They looked like powerlifter Scotties.
I'm 24.
What does white trash owning "rockwilers" in the midwest have to do with anything at all? I live in Philadelphia, and I am telling you I could probably drive around with a camera just in my neighborhood and get 15+ pictures of unique pitbulls. They are everywhere.
12 years ago Rottie's were still a popular breed, having residual effect from the late 80s.
I just have no idea what you are trying to say. People own Rottweilers. They own Sharpei's and Poodles too, so what?
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Yeah, that was a good post. In my opinion rottweilers pretty much have the same extremes that you see with pitbulls. As a matter of fact, I think its a bit asanine to suggest that they are really that much different in extremes of perceptions other than the media loves to jump on a pitbull story right now. Rotts were the "evil dogs" of the 1980's when I was a kid. They have fallen from favor by the punks and as a result the media doesn't pick up on them as much.
I've encountered some rottweilers I'll call flat out dangerous. I mean unpredictable, will maul you with little prevocation or warning dangerous. Unfortunately, for some reason, those Rotts owners all seem to be equally stupid. One of the worst Ive seen was a dog I saw in Kentucky that as I was doing a physical exam, lunged almost off the table biting my hand---not just biting it, but taking my entire hand up to mid forearm in its mouth and crushing down. I did the only thing I could, I doubled my fist as tight as I could and shoved it down the dogs throat until it gagged and let me go. The owner literally EXPLODED on me for "CHOKING HIS ROCKWEILER". It didn't matter at all that the damned dog had been trying to eat me less than 30 seconds before.
In all honesty, I've met far fewer pitbulls I'd put in that catagory than Rotts. At the same time, I've met way more pitbull owners who flat out do increadibly stupid things with their dogs, setting themselves up for problems with the dog and are completely oblivious to what they are doing. Rottweiler owners can have very good dogs, if they are responsible owners and take the time to socialize and train the dogs just like pitbulls.
I agree with all of this, and you are slamming me ( or trying to) and agreeing with me all in the same breath. Just like I am claiming now, I am sure when Rotties were the "in" breed, in terms of popularity, that there were idiots who should not own one everywhere....EXACTLY like pitbulls and their owners today.
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Settle down "temper" no one is offended by your blanket statement. ::)
I could turn that statement to humans and offend several, but I won't.
I have pits and many of my friends have pits. None for fighting or "family protection".
F'ing dogs would probably play with an intruder before they protected anything. ::)
BUT, the people I know are all very responsible with their dogs and a few have young children that the dogs just love. The breed gets a bad rap, and I for one, will not feed into it. These dogs are the most loyal, fun loving dogs I have experienced and when the time comes, I will get another.
BTW for what it's worth, I have never had a bad experience with a pit, Rott, or any other of the "bully" dogs, only with the goddamned "anklebiters". >:(
Simmer down "chaos", it aint that serious.
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Simmer down "chaos", it aint that serious.
You meltdown in two posts in a row towards Vet, then tell me to simmer down? ;D
You obviously don't see the irony of what you are saying........in this entire thread or your last few posts.
That is all.
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You meltdown in two posts in a row towards Vet, then tell me to simmer down? ;D
You obviously don't see the irony of what you are saying........in this entire thread or your last few posts.
That is all.
The meltdown is so overwhelming I don't know what to do with myself.
Have a good night sweetheart.
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The meltdown is so overwhelming I don't know what to do with myself.
Have a good night sweetheart.
Try suicide, apparently you can't handle the internet.
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Try suicide, apparently you can't handle the internet.
Holy shit, a line NOT stolen from Squadfather.
I'm so proud of you dude. I almost want to come to your house so I can take the huge chain and master lock off your pitbulls neck and give him a treat as a reward for his daddy being so original.
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Holy shit, a line NOT stolen from Squadfather.
I'm so proud of you dude. I almost want to come to your house so I can take the huge chain and master lock off your pitbulls neck and give him a treat as a reward for his daddy being so original.
That would be hard to do, since she doesn't wear a chain or a lock.
Maybe I could come to your house and take the muzzle off your vicious "Rottie" and let her know what a flaming queerbait her daddy is. :D
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That would be hard to do, since she doesn't wear a chain or a lock.
Maybe I could come to your house and take the muzzle off your vicious "Rottie" and let her know what a flaming queerbait her daddy is. :D
Another stellar post from "chaos" ;D
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You obviously don't see the irony of what you are saying........
Yeah, thats exactly what I'm trying to say, yet apparently I've bumblefucked all over the place with it.
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I agree with all of this, and you are slamming me ( or trying to) and agreeing with me all in the same breath. Just like I am claiming now, I am sure when Rotties were the "in" breed, in terms of popularity, that there were idiots who should not own one everywhere....EXACTLY like pitbulls and their owners today.
Dude, I'm not trying to put down or slam you or Rottweilers and if its come across as that I apologize. I know a couple of Rotts I consider to be WONDERFUL family pets.
I just see you spouting stuff about you Rotts that you turn right around and accuse pitbull owners of saying at the same time. I found the way you posted everything both ironic and slightly disturbing in the closemindedness. Almost every person out there is biased towards the dog breeds they own or have owned. Thats pretty much a given. They will also have one or two breeds, maybe more, they just don't like for various reasons, some real, some percieved, some increadibly biased and false.
I was basically trying to say that, but I fucked it up somewhere between my brain and the computer screen.
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Dude, I'm not trying to put down or slam you or Rottweilers and if its come across as that I apologize. I know a couple of Rotts I consider to be WONDERFUL family pets.
I just see you spouting stuff about you Rotts that you turn right around and accuse pitbull owners of saying at the same time. I found the way you posted everything both ironic and slightly disturbing in the closemindedness. Almost every person out there is biased towards the dog breeds they own or have owned. Thats pretty much a given. They will also have one or two breeds, maybe more, they just don't like for various reasons, some real, some percieved, some increadibly biased and false.
I was basically trying to say that, but I fucked it up somewhere between my brain and the computer screen.
I understand what you are saying. But I never said that Rotties were never at one point the same as pitbulls are in the public eye, although I believe if you add in the dog fighting problem, the pitbull issue is much greater in this day and age. I also agree that an out-of-control Rottweiler is much more dangerous than an out-of-control pitbull, and to me I think that is because pitbulls are generally more amiable with people, even the ones that aren't trained well. I am not close minded at all. I mean, to use my obedience training club, which is the biggest in Philadelphia, I have never seen any pitbull past the beginners/puppy class. None. Every thursday since my dog was 5 months old, and I have never seen a pitbull in a higher level obedience class than beginner. That is over 100 dogs, easily. Isn't this saying something that not even 1 out of 100 people are even trying to teach their dog how to come/sit/stay, shit, to maybe even possibly pass the CGC?
My overall point is something that you said:
"At the same time, I've met way more pitbull owners who flat out do increadibly stupid things with their dogs, setting themselves up for problems with the dog and are completely oblivious to what they are doing."
When I said 95% of pitbull owners are idiots, that is what I meant. They buy the breed for all the wrong reasons and are too lazy to take care of it, while simultaneously being completely ignorant to the guidance the breed actually needs and will not accept the facts if problems begin to arise. And I am also agreeing with you that during the 80s, ( I was about 5 years old so my memory is a little shot =P), I am sure that Rottie's were on the same plane as pitbulls in this degree, just as I'm sure was the case with GSD's and Dobie's.
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Yeah, that was a good post. In my opinion rottweilers pretty much have the same extremes that you see with pitbulls. As a matter of fact, I think its a bit asanine to suggest that they are really that much different in extremes of perceptions other than the media loves to jump on a pitbull story right now. Rotts were the "evil dogs" of the 1980's when I was a kid. They have fallen from favor by the punks and as a result the media doesn't pick up on them as much.
I've encountered some rottweilers I'll call flat out dangerous. I mean unpredictable, will maul you with little prevocation or warning dangerous. Unfortunately, for some reason, those Rotts owners all seem to be equally stupid. One of the worst Ive seen was a dog I saw in Kentucky that as I was doing a physical exam, lunged almost off the table biting my hand---not just biting it, but taking my entire hand up to mid forearm in its mouth and crushing down. I did the only thing I could, I doubled my fist as tight as I could and shoved it down the dogs throat until it gagged and let me go. The owner literally EXPLODED on me for "CHOKING HIS ROCKWEILER". It didn't matter at all that the damned dog had been trying to eat me less than 30 seconds before.
In all honesty, I've met far fewer pitbulls I'd put in that catagory than Rotts. At the same time, I've met way more pitbull owners who flat out do increadibly stupid things with their dogs, setting themselves up for problems with the dog and are completely oblivious to what they are doing. Rottweiler owners can have very good dogs, if they are responsible owners and take the time to socialize and train the dogs just like pitbulls.
I have to agree. Some of the worst 'off the wall" dogs I've ever seen was a Rottweiler. Unpredictable 100%, which made me a little leary when my girlfriend was getting a Rottie. I have now changed my opinion 100% & would class our dog no different than the many Labradors I had. I had to go back & think why those dogs were so off the handle. For the most part, it was it's upbringing or lack of upbringing. I think ignoring or lack of attention to a dog (like a Rottweiler) can make them even more dangerous than beating them or teaching them aggressive behaviour.
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Dude, I'm not trying to put down or slam you or Rottweilers and if its come across as that I apologize. I know a couple of Rotts I consider to be WONDERFUL family pets.
I just see you spouting stuff about you Rotts that you turn right around and accuse pitbull owners of saying at the same time. I found the way you posted everything both ironic and slightly disturbing in the closemindedness. Almost every person out there is biased towards the dog breeds they own or have owned. Thats pretty much a given. They will also have one or two breeds, maybe more, they just don't like for various reasons, some real, some percieved, some increadibly biased and false.
I was basically trying to say that, but I fucked it up somewhere between my brain and the computer screen.
You didn't fuck anything up and nothing was lost in translation on me, Vet. I think if temper settled down a bit he might have understood what you were saying, but he seems so "Anti-pit" pro Rott, he doesn't seems to get it. :(
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Just out of curiosity how old are you?
Go to any large city in the midwest and go to the poorer neighborhoods or trailer parks on the outskirts of the city. As a matter of fact, go to any trailer park and look at the Rotts there. Also go to "white trashville" in the Midwest. You will find more dumbass "Rockwilers" there than I think you are willing to accept. When I worked for the Humane Society in vet school 12 years ago, I'd be willing to bet 1 out of 6 dogs that came in were listed as at least "Half-Rockwiler". Rott mixes were a dime a dozen because no one who owned a male dared to nueter it, so the dogs ran around in an orgie of making puppies. The weirdest mix I saw was the Scottie-Rottweiler mix one of my vetschool classmates had. They looked like powerlifter Scotties.
Why?
Just because they were irresponsible or for other reasons?
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Why?
Just because they were irresponsible or for other reasons?
Because if you neuter a male dog, they won't be protective. ::)
Or if you neuter a male dog they won't be muscular
or if you neuter a male dog they will get mean (doesn't matter the dog snapped a leash lunging at the clinic cat when it came through the door and it has to have two muzzles put on to vaccinate it with a polesyringe)
or You want to DO WHAT to HIM????
There are a number of reasons...... ::)
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If you neuter a large or giant breed dog they will not fill out. Great Danes will grow taller but be thinner and lanky if neutered/spayed too early.
That does not mean that they can't be altered at a more breed appropriate age though, but the myth that they will not be as muscular if altered is partly true.
Addressing and getting the WHOLE TRUTH out to people may encourage people to alter their pets. Myths/ half truths on both sides of the issue don't help.
If people were told the actual facts, maybe they would alter their dog eventually knowing that they could still have a protective and mature looking animal, instead they are swayed to never do it because they are pushed to do it at such a young age.
Knowledge is the answer not laws. ;)
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If you neuter a large or giant breed dog they will not fill out. Great Danes will grow taller but be thinner and lanky if neutered/spayed too early.
That does not mean that they can't be altered at a more breed appropriate age though, but the myth that they will not be as muscular if altered is partly true.
Addressing and getting the WHOLE TRUTH out to people may encourage people to alter their pets. Myths/ half truths on both sides of the issue don't help.
If people were told the actual facts, maybe they would alter their dog eventually knowing that they could still have a protective and mature looking animal, instead they are swayed to never do it because they are pushed to do it at such a young age.
Knowledge is the answer not laws. ;)
I should have been a bit clearer when I was making that post. I was thinking of the couple of rottweiler owners I know from Ohio who had dogs that were beyond morbidly obese, yet the owners just wouldn't have it. One weighed 170+ lbs, and probably should have only weighed 90. That owner insisted his dog was "all muscle" and neutering it would keep it from being as "muscular". It didn't matter the dog could barely walk from knee and hip issues, it was ALL MUSCLE.
Now admittantly, because Rotts are a blocky, black haired dog, they can carry a bit more weight than say, a white short haired dog, and still have the visual appearance of being relatively lean. That said, I've seen very, very few rotts that were 120 lbs + and had a body condition score of 3/5 or 5/10 (ideal, lean, athletic, well muscled). Heck, the more I think about it the more I think I really haven't seen that many that were 110 lbs + and lean. For some reason it seems as if many of the rott owners I'm thinking of will insist their dogs are "all muscle", especially if they refer to the breed as a "rockwiler", even if the dog is fat as hell.
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I should have been a bit clearer when I was making that post. I was thinking of the couple of rottweiler owners I know from Ohio who had dogs that were beyond morbidly obese, yet the owners just wouldn't have it. One weighed 170+ lbs, and probably should have only weighed 90. That owner insisted his dog was "all muscle" and neutering it would keep it from being as "muscular". It didn't matter the dog could barely walk from knee and hip issues, it was ALL MUSCLE.
Now admittantly, because Rotts are a blocky, black haired dog, they can carry a bit more weight than say, a white short haired dog, and still have the visual appearance of being relatively lean. That said, I've seen very, very few rotts that were 120 lbs + and had a body condition score of 3/5 or 5/10 (ideal, lean, athletic, well muscled). Heck, the more I think about it the more I think I really haven't seen that many that were 110 lbs + and lean. For some reason it seems as if many of the rott owners I'm thinking of will insist their dogs are "all muscle", especially if they refer to the breed as a "rockwiler", even if the dog is fat as hell.
True.
I've have met ALOT of people that tell me their Rottie weighs 120+ pounds & when I see them....they're barely 110 pounds & maybe 5-10 pounds over weight. The ones that are 120+ pounds are pretty fat & look like a sausage with four legs.
Now with that being said...(I am going to contradict myself here alittle) our Rottie is 130 pounds. He's very solid & very well muscle toned. Then again...we exercise him daily & I run with him every other day. He's not over fed & fed only what he needs to maintain his weight & support his energy levels. Personally, weight means absolutely nothing. If he was 120, 110, 100 pounds...makes no difference. He's just a tall, large framed Rottie & right now I'm very satisfied with his current level of condition which just so happens places him at 130 pounds. He just did his first dog show & if his preliminaries go well, will be going to alot more shows. So being in shape is an utmost importance especially for his placings as well as his health. When he's next to other Rotties...people get a real perspective of what a Big Male Rottie looks like & how "out of shape" their dog is. It's alot of work I have to admit. Exercising a dog usually means we're out there doing it along side of him. My back has been killing me running with him but the look on his face when we're running is worth it.
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True.
I've have met ALOT of people that tell me their Rottie weighs 120+ pounds & when I see them....they're barely 110 pounds & maybe 5-10 pounds over weight. The ones that are 120+ pounds are pretty fat & look like a sausage with four legs.
Now with that being said...(I am going to contradict myself here alittle) our Rottie is 130 pounds. He's very solid & very well muscle toned. Then again...we exercise him daily & I run with him every other day. He's not over fed & fed only what he needs to maintain his weight & support his energy levels. Personally, weight means absolutely nothing. If he was 120, 110, 100 pounds...makes no difference. He's just a tall, large framed Rottie & right now I'm very satisfied with his current level of condition which just so happens places him at 130 pounds. He just did his first dog show & if his preliminaries go well, will be going to alot more shows. So being in shape is an utmost importance especially for his placings as well as his health. When he's next to other Rotties...people get a real perspective of what a Big Male Rottie looks like & how "out of shape" their dog is. It's alot of work I have to admit. Exercising a dog usually means we're out there doing it along side of him. My back has been killing me running with him but the look on his face when we're running is worth it.
People have no idea to eyeball dogs weights. My dog is 100lbs and I've had people ask me if he weighs like "130 or 140". Everyone also believes their dog is a monster. As long as I can feel Plato's ribs when I rub my hand along his side with a little pressure, that is fine with me.
And to add to the Flower/Vet neutering convo, a good friend of mine who has a male Rottie who is like 2 months younger than my dog, so like 2 years old roughly, is 120lbs and was neutered at 8 mo since he has another intact male in the house. He is muscular, defined and his bones are thick as hell. He is also *THE* sweetest dog I have ever seen, among any breed.
His brother is also the same way, except 5-10lbs heavier. The litter came from Tracy, the breeder/handler for Shaka Zulu, the rottie who won best in group at Warminster in 06. Ridiculously beautiful dogs.
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LMAO @ "ROCKweilers" God, if I had a dollar everytime I heard that. One of my businesses is in a really ghetto area and my customers tell me about their "ROCKweilers."
There can't be generalizations about any breeds as a whole. There are always exceptions that go both ways. In the case of dogs, nuture, as opposed to nature, goes a long way.
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And to add to the Flower/Vet neutering convo, a good friend of mine who has a male Rottie who is like 2 months younger than my dog, so like 2 years old roughly, is 120lbs and was neutered at 8 mo since he has another intact male in the house. He is muscular, defined and his bones are thick as hell. He is also *THE* sweetest dog I have ever seen, among any breed.
Now imagine if he was done at 4mos like s/n laws are mandating. :-\
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My large ab was neautered right after he turned one. He weighs 100lbs with his ribs slightly showing, and he is about the same size as his father - who is intact.
Btw, American Bulldogs are very gentle with children.