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Title: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on April 24, 2006, 06:02:17 AM
Its good that there has been a business board put up.  A lot of people around here over the years wanted  to start a business but they did not how to get started.  Well, I'm going to let you folks know how I started my business for less than $50 dollars.

Office Equipment:
Having a desk is essential to storing client's files and you must have a proper workspace.  Generally desk range from 50-100 dollars but I didn't have the money to spare so what I did instead is go to a Miracle Mart (Goodwill) and bought 2 small file cabinets for 15 dollars.  I then went to Home Depot and purchased a large unfinished wooden board.  Then I spaced out the file cabinets and put the board on top and that was it.  I had a large work space and had plenty of space to store client's files.  I also got an old thermal fax machine for 5 dollars which I still use to this day and a office chair for 10 dollars.  Don't be too fucking arrogant not to go to a Salvation Army or Goodwill to get your stuff.  You'll be surprised to know that a lot of rich people go to these same places to get stuff as well.     


The Business Name:
A lot of people think that its not important but its actually one of the most important things to decide.  Your name for your business should be clear and evident to a person to know what you do from simply hearing the name.  Its best for your business name to end with the word health, fitness, nutrition, personal training, etc.  A lot of people use their last name for part of the business name which is good but a unique name would give the business an appearance of being a major player.  Be sure to also check your business name under domain names and buy the domain itself immediately for marketing purposes.  You don't want to pick a name only to have the web domain name already being used.  That's what happenned to me and I had to wait over a year to finally purpose the rights to caliberfitness.com from the Arab Community and it wasn't cheap.

Business Cards:
You can make them at home on your computer however that's only if you have a laser printer.  Inkjet printers have a tendency for the ink to smear.  Business cards are thrown away by the majority of people so don't spend a lot of money having them made.  The importance of business cards are no different from a flyer, its just advertising.  I got my first cards from VistaPrint.com because they give you 250 cards for free.  Their advertising is on the back as a small price however like I said before, you should treat cards like an ad or flyer.

Office Software:
You can get OpenOffice for free on the internet which will give you a word procesor, spreadsheet, database, and HTML editor.  The GIMP is also free as well which will give you an advanced paint & graphics program.


Website:
Most hosting companies have free pre-designed templates so use them.  Use the HTML editor on the OpenOffice software to put your own information about your business on there.  Its good to have a merchant account to take credit cards but for now you can set up a paypal account and go from there
to put up pay links on your site.




Thats how I got started.  Part 2 will go over what to sell
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: body88 on April 24, 2006, 10:21:31 AM
Def a cool thread vince!
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: 240 is Back on April 24, 2006, 12:35:00 PM
DO NOT pay $4,000 for your company's website.  Even if you don't come to me for a site, do your research and get a deal.

DO use consistent branding/logo on your site, business cards, flyers, etc

DO save receipts. I made a killing by paying taxes this year :)  You can deduct just about everything

DO trade/barter with others. I get window tinting, haircuts, gym memberships, and a lot of other things for free by trading skills

DO keep useful supplies for you job in your car. Being Johnny "on-the-spot" is great for your reputation.

DO make friends and value your repeat customers.  ALL of my business comes from personal referrals from happy clients. You DO NOT NEED to spend hundreds on ads if you do things right.
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on April 28, 2006, 07:24:25 AM
Now that you have got all the supplies and everything you need.  Its time to discuss what to sell:




Now first off, if you are a national competitor and close to turning pro, the business that you should be into is personal training, nutritional consulting, and autograph pictures.  Your physique will carry much weight in obtaining clients and will provide you with the money needed compete in shows.  Avoid selling nutritional supplements, exercise equipment, and general fitness goods.  Why is that to be avoided???  Its simply because you are in the position of having a fitness company sponsor you at anytime and if you are selling supplements, most likely the company will think that you are already under an agreement and will simply go to someone else.  Now if you secure a sponsorship deal, you can easily get discounted wholesale to sell their products and merchandise.  This will not only give you extra money but will help extend the longivity of your agreement.  Guy Grundy is a good example of this.  He has been out of bodybuilding for some time yet he is still sponsored by Kaizen to this day mainly because he also sells the products on his website.


For the amatuer unknown bodybuilder, the products you can provide is personal training, nutritional consulting and supplement sales.  Start with personal training first because its the easiest way to make some quick cash.  Then after establishing a client base, then start selling supplements and other general fitness goods.  Have two separate websites, one for your personal training website and one for your supplements.  That way when you become a nationally recognized competitor, you can attract possible sponsors.


Now how do you get supplements at a wholesale price???  There are a number of places you can get started in selling supplements and all that needs to be done is to call the companies directly.  That's the easy part however you have to talk with some money as well.  You'll need at least 2,000 to 5,000 dollars to really talk soup.  Even though most companies have minimum orders of 300 dollars, you are not going to get the best prices.  The more money you're willing to put out, the better deal you can get.  Don't forget about sites like Bodybuilding.com and DPS Nutrition.  Generally they have tons of overstock and need to get rid of the extra product.  You can simply swoop in and purchase these products at practically the same price they got from the manufacturer.  I do this on occasion and it works pretty well.



Now although you have a website, the best way to sell products is to sell locally.  The best place to sell items is to sell them in unexpected markets.  I'm sure you have heard about me selling supplements at flea markets.  It may be cheesy but I have an overall advantage being the only person at the venue to sell nutritional supplements because everyone else is selling antiques, old tires etc.  If you want to sell a lot of supplements, you have to go where the people are and lots of people go to the flea markets.    Another advantage of selling at a flea market is that the majority of payments are in cash because most vendors only accept cash.  Even with that, I still have my laptop with high speed axxcess to my credit card terminal to take all forms of credit and have a manual imprinter to use as well in the event that its down.  I simply take their driver's license info for security purposes.  The best products to sell at flea markets is the ones that have been on TV commericals because people know the products.  The biggest seller I've had is actually creatine but also products such as coral calcium, noni juice, fat burners, growth hormone stimulants, DHEA and absolutely don't forget to sell some yohimbe because the hottest word right now is alternatives to Viagra.  Even if a person declines buying from you, give them a business card and offer free shipping on their first order when they place an order on your website.  Shipping locally is much cheaper via USPS and it entices the buyer to buy more stuff which should more than make up for it.



Remember this is only one of many techiques but the main idea behind this is the best way to compete against the competition is to NOT COMPETE AGAINST THE COMPETITION.  Out-pricing only loses money and negative badmouthing makes you look bad.  The key is to establish a territory and make the potential feel that buying from you is the best.  Use the locally owned, locally operated, homegrown motto because people have a general distrust for big business...USE IT TO YOUR ADVANTAGE.   



Part 3 will cover nude posing for colleges and university art classes




Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: CQ on April 28, 2006, 08:03:55 AM
It pains me to say this, but not a bad write up Vince :)
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: Mike on April 29, 2006, 06:57:44 AM

Remember this is only one of many techiques but the main idea behind this is the best way to compete against the competition is to NOT COMPETE AGAINST THE COMPETITION.  Out-pricing only loses money and negative badmouthing makes you look bad.  The key is to establish a territory and make the potential feel that buying from you is the best.  Use the locally owned, locally operated, homegrown motto because people have a general distrust for big business...USE IT TO YOUR ADVANTAGE.   


This is great advice!  I hate to agree with Venom, but he's right
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: Migs on April 29, 2006, 10:32:35 AM
Also, you can incorporate yourself for cheap.  It only takes a few minutes to fill out the forms.  No need to spend $1000's of dollars to get incorporated.
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: Migs on April 29, 2006, 10:56:45 AM
Thanks for the OpenOffice idea.  i was about to buy MS Office suite. 
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: onlyme on April 29, 2006, 09:56:38 PM
This was written somewhere I saw before.  Change a few words at least Vince.  Plaguerism is so common these days
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: 240 is Back on April 29, 2006, 10:24:41 PM
Good advice.  Also shop at the dollar store or walmart for office supplies, then hit office max for the specialty stuff.
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on April 30, 2006, 05:19:09 PM
Yes, someone wrote about selling stuff at a flea market before...... ::)



I don't cut and paste articles, I simply write them so please STFU about that. 
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: what. on April 30, 2006, 06:56:35 PM
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Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: HERACLES on June 25, 2006, 04:55:54 PM
whats so great about this advice? SO you get a damn desk, fax, some business cards, now what Vince? You need a business plan, idea!!! thats the big one...

I started my own staffing agency...www.paramount-staffing.com  DID IT ALL, incorporated, you name it..leased a space and what happened? Ran ou tof money- I couldnt open accounts fast enough...
Its hard starting something from home, people dont take you as seriously..it depends on the business though..
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on June 26, 2006, 05:05:25 PM
whats so great about this advice? SO you get a damn desk, fax, some business cards, now what Vince? You need a business plan, idea!!! thats the big one...

I started my own staffing agency...www.paramount-staffing.com  DID IT ALL, incorporated, you name it..leased a space and what happened? Ran ou tof money- I couldnt open accounts fast enough...
Its hard starting something from home, people dont take you as seriously..it depends on the business though..



I'm sorry to hear what happenned however this thread is about starting a home business.  You started a mid-level retail business so I can't tell you what you did wrong. 


And people have been taking me seriously since 2001.  All they care about is someone who can deliver results, ship product fast, and have good squawk with the customers.  Home businesses are rapidly increasing due to layoffs, downsizing, etc.  Former 500 corporate executives &financial consultants are following lead as well.  Don't count out the home business.  It is the wave of the future.  Apparantly you weren't taken seriously unfortunately since you did go out of business but perhaps you can try again except on a smaller scale.  Going big is always risky
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: Mike on June 27, 2006, 06:47:06 PM
If you want to start your own PT business (or any business for that matter) my #1 advice is BE PROFESSIONAL!!! 

That means:

Have business cards
Have an LLC, Inc or some other company...or shit, just make one up.
Have a printed out price sheet with ALL of their options
Have them fill out a legitimate paperwork (PAR-Q, Waiver/Release, Cancellation Policy sheet, etc.)
Dress the part (All Black, or Black and White or something solid and classy.  No muscle shirts please!!)
Be EARLY

That's it for now. 
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: 24KT on June 30, 2006, 12:22:23 AM

The Business Name:
A lot of people think that its not important but its actually one of the most important things to decide.  Your name for your business should be clear and evident to a person to know what you do from simply hearing the name.  Its best for your business name to end with the word health, fitness, nutrition, personal training, etc.   A lot of people use their last name for part of the business name which is good but a unique name would give the business an appearance of being a major player.  Be sure to also check your business name under domain names and buy the domain itself immediately for marketing purposes.  You don't want to pick a name only to have the web domain name already being used.

That assumes the home business being started falls into the "health, fitness, nutrition, personal training" fields etc.

Now that you have got all the supplies and everything you need.  Its time to discuss what to sell:

Now first off, if you are a national competitor and close to turning pro, the business that you should be into is personal training, nutritional consulting, and autograph pictures.

{LOL} I can't help but laugh here. A person should be in whatever business they choose to be in.

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Now how do you get supplements at a wholesale price???  There are a number of places you can get started in selling supplements and all that needs to be done is to call the companies directly.  That's the easy part however you have to talk with some money as well.  You'll need at least 2,000 to 5,000 dollars to really talk soup.  Even though most companies have minimum orders of 300 dollars, you are not going to get the best prices.  The more money you're willing to put out, the better deal you can get.  Don't forget about sites like Bodybuilding.com and DPS Nutrition.  Generally they have tons of overstock and need to get rid of the extra product.  You can simply swoop in and purchase these products at practically the same price they got from the manufacturer.  I do this on occasion and it works pretty well.

Using this scenario, does one not run the risk of purchasing old and/or soon-to be expired stock?  If a large scale distributor is overstocked in an item, it's usually because the item isn't a good seller, or possibly it is about to expire and they need to get it off their hands. I would never recommend a small business person tie up capital in unsaleable merchandise.

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Now although you have a website, the best way to sell products is to sell locally.  The best place to sell items is to sell them in unexpected markets.  I'm sure you have heard about me selling supplements at flea markets.  It may be cheesy but I have an overall advantage being the only person at the venue to sell nutritional supplements because everyone else is selling antiques, old tires etc.

This strategy may work if the supplement manufacturer does NOT have a clause saying the products may not be dispalyed at such venues such as flea markets. Most companies have that stipulation written in so as not to cheapen their brand.

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Remember this is only one of many techiques but the main idea behind this is the best way to compete against the competition is to NOT COMPETE AGAINST THE COMPETITION.  Out-pricing only loses money and negative badmouthing makes you look bad.

I couldn't agree with you more.

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The key is to establish a territory and make the potential feel that buying from you is the best.  Use the locally owned, locally operated, homegrown motto because people have a general distrust for big business...USE IT TO YOUR ADVANTAGE.
 

I suppose this could be used to your advantage if your business was limited to your local market, but once your business grows beyond that, creating distrust, or playing into distrust will backfire.
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: 24KT on June 30, 2006, 12:46:41 AM
whats so great about this advice? SO you get a damn desk, fax, some business cards, now what Vince? You need a business plan, idea!!! thats the big one...

I started my own staffing agency...www.paramount-staffing.com  DID IT ALL, incorporated, you name it..leased a space and what happened? Ran ou tof money- I couldnt open accounts fast enough...
Its hard starting something from home, people dont take you as seriously..it depends on the business though..

The 2 reasons businesses go out of business is:
The 2 quickest ways to kill a new business is:
I think before anyone starts a business, any kind of a business, ...they first need to determine WHY they want to do it, as well as what they expect to get out of it. and I'm not simply refering to $$$. This clearcut understanding of your objective can assist you in determining what type of business endeavor to undertake. With this understanding, you can then best determine realistically, what resources you're going to have to have in order to keep the business going.

It doesn't matter how efficiently you use your resources. If your business requires overhead, understand that you'll be spending money on that overhead 24 hrs a day, 7 days a week. Most often, that's not the way in which income is earned is it? Most often income is only earned during "business hrs". If you're not rolling in money, you have to ensure the overhead is reduced to a minimum, or engage in a business where the income operates on the same equation as the overhead, taking on the same 24 hrs/ day, 7 day /wk characteristic.
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: Mike on June 30, 2006, 05:02:23 PM
The 2 reasons businesses go out of business is:
  • They are mismanaged, ...or
  • They run out of money

The 2 quickest ways to kill a new business is:
  • Not enough sales, ...or
  • Too many sales

I think before anyone starts a business, any kind of a business, ...they first need to determine WHY they want to do it, as well as what they expect to get out of it. and I'm not simply refering to $$$. This clearcut understanding of your objective can assist you in determining what type of business endeavor to undertake. With this understanding, you can then best determine realistically, what resources you're going to have to have in order to keep the business going.

It doesn't matter how efficiently you use your resources. If your business requires overhead, understand that you'll be spending money on that overhead 24 hrs a day, 7 days a week. Most often, that's not the way in which income is earned is it? Most often income is only earned during "business hrs". If you're not rolling in money, you have to ensure the overhead is reduced to a minimum, or engage in a business where the income operates on the same equation as the overhead, taking on the same 24 hrs/ day, 7 day /wk characteristic.

Renting space is the best example of this.  If you're not using it 24/7, then you better be rackin in the dough. 
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: 24KT on July 01, 2006, 11:40:19 PM
Renting space is the best example of this.  If you're not using it 24/7, then you better be rackin in the dough. 

Exactly, ...and if you've taken out a loan of any sort to cover these expenses, understand the interest metre never stops. It calculates 24hrs a day / 7 days a week. If the income producing hours of our businesses are limited because of our businesses' hours of operation ie: M-F 9-5, and closed on holidays, you're working on the wrong side of the equation. These are critical considerations that I don't believe most people factor in. When I look at a business, I look at it from a completely sterile viewpoint, and weigh it's merits based on it's profit potential, as well as it's ROI., not necessarily because it is something that I have an existing interest or background in. That makes it a hobby. Also understand the climate in which you are and will be operating in. There are forces that can push you into success or crush you with endless struggle. You need to position yourself so that those forces work in your favour. It's the proverbial Irish blessing of having the wind forever at your back.

These are areas that chew up more resources than are necessary.

With modern technology, the playing field is levelled, and it's possible to own & operate a business that makes more efficient use of one's available resources.

The key to success in any endeavor, especially when one is starting out is flexibility. If you're flexible and allow for leeway, when adversity strikes (and it will) you'll be able to bend and roll with the punches. If you rigidly box yourself in and limit your options, you most often end up breaking.
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: Tre on July 02, 2006, 07:31:49 PM
Its good that there has been a business board put up.  A lot of people around here over the years wanted  to start a business but they did not how to get started.  Well, I'm going to let you folks know how I started my business for less than $50 dollars.

Office Equipment:
Having a desk is essential to storing client's files and you must have a proper workspace.  Generally desk range from 50-100 dollars but I didn't have the money to spare so what I did instead is go to a Miracle Mart (Goodwill) and bought 2 small file cabinets for 15 dollars.  I then went to Home Depot and purchased a large unfinished wooden board.  Then I spaced out the file cabinets and put the board on top and that was it.  I had a large work space and had plenty of space to store client's files.  I also got an old thermal fax machine for 5 dollars which I still use to this day and a office chair for 10 dollars.  Don't be too fucking arrogant not to go to a Salvation Army or Goodwill to get your stuff.  You'll be surprised to know that a lot of rich people go to these same places to get stuff as well.     


The Business Name:
A lot of people think that its not important but its actually one of the most important things to decide.  Your name for your business should be clear and evident to a person to know what you do from simply hearing the name.  Its best for your business name to end with the word health, fitness, nutrition, personal training, etc.  A lot of people use their last name for part of the business name which is good but a unique name would give the business an appearance of being a major player.  Be sure to also check your business name under domain names and buy the domain itself immediately for marketing purposes.  You don't want to pick a name only to have the web domain name already being used.  That's what happenned to me and I had to wait over a year to finally purpose the rights to caliberfitness.com from the Arab Community and it wasn't cheap.

Business Cards:
You can make them at home on your computer however that's only if you have a laser printer.  Inkjet printers have a tendency for the ink to smear.  Business cards are thrown away by the majority of people so don't spend a lot of money having them made.  The importance of business cards are no different from a flyer, its just advertising.  I got my first cards from VistaPrint.com because they give you 250 cards for free.  Their advertising is on the back as a small price however like I said before, you should treat cards like an ad or flyer.

Office Software:
You can get OpenOffice for free on the internet which will give you a word procesor, spreadsheet, database, and HTML editor.  The GIMP is also free as well which will give you an advanced paint & graphics program.


Website:
Most hosting companies have free pre-designed templates so use them.  Use the HTML editor on the OpenOffice software to put your own information about your business on there.  Its good to have a merchant account to take credit cards but for now you can set up a paypal account and go from there
to put up pay links on your site.




Thats how I got started.  Part 2 will go over what to sell

I can't believe I just read this.

No, wait, I haven't read it yet.  My bad. 
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: danielson on July 02, 2006, 07:55:08 PM
well said Vince. Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: alexxx on July 02, 2006, 09:34:12 PM
note to self: read when bored or in time out ;D
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: Mike on July 03, 2006, 04:38:39 PM
You should definetely NOT make your own cards on some cheap website!  It might save you $100 bucks but it sends the wrong message.  Professionalism is KEY.

Find a graphic designer (or a graphic design student) and get them to make you a nice logo and design a business card (some marketing pieces while they're at it).  Branding is important and may be the only thing people recognize.  Pick a few colors and keep them constant throughout your business, inside and out (paint color, flyers, advertising, uniforms, signage...).   If you don't like giving people your personal cell phone (i.e. putting it on your business card), then get a business one, but make sure you are accessible.

Most of these small, local services can be done on trade if you're good enough.  Become part of your local chamber of commerce and attend as many funcitons as you can, it's a great way to get some grass-roots business, referrals and solidify your place in the community. 
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on July 27, 2006, 04:01:08 AM
That assumes the home business being started falls into the "health, fitness, nutrition, personal training" fields etc.

{LOL} I can't help but laugh here. A person should be in whatever business they choose to be in.

Using this scenario, does one not run the risk of purchasing old and/or soon-to be expired stock?  If a large scale distributor is overstocked in an item, it's usually because the item isn't a good seller, or possibly it is about to expire and they need to get it off their hands. I would never recommend a small business person tie up capital in unsaleable merchandise.

This strategy may work if the supplement manufacturer does NOT have a clause saying the products may not be dispalyed at such venues such as flea markets. Most companies have that stipulation written in so as not to cheapen their brand.

I couldn't agree with you more.
 

I suppose this could be used to your advantage if your business was limited to your local market, but once your business grows beyond that, creating distrust, or playing into distrust will backfire.





Let's see here:

www.jaguarenterprises.co m
or
www.caliberfitness.com


Which site would you buy from??  Which site appears most deceiving.


Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: JamieX4200 on July 28, 2006, 07:24:31 PM
Vince if you send me some money to compete at this tournament in atlanta i'll wear one of your shirts to the ring and throw it out in the crowd. :)
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: 24KT on July 30, 2006, 01:52:18 AM

Let's see here:

www.jaguarenterprises.co m
or
www.caliberfitness.com

Which site would you buy from??  Which site appears most deceiving.

{LOL} Same 'ol Vince, ...unable to see the forest for the trees huh?  ::)

Vince, you're trying to compare apples & oranges while failing to take into account that www.jaguarenterprises.co m is not about selling supplements.

However, since you did ask... in answer to your question, I suppose a trained eyed and a little investigation could perceive your site to be deceiving. I'm refering specifically to statements and claims made about one of your products that does NOT appear on the manufacturers site regarding that same product. A little investigation would further show, the facts do NOT support the statement you have made about it. I will assume you know the product of which I speak, ...unless of course your site contains numerous doctored statements and false claims? ??? If that were the case, then I would understand any initial confusion about which product I might be refering to. I only mention it because afterall... you did ask.

But my original comments which you responded to were not a "mine vs. his" comment. It simply had to do with the advice you disseminated. You call this thread "Cheap man's guide to starting Home business", but you tell people their business should end in "health, fitness, nutrition, or personal training" ??? What if their home business is taxidermy? what if it's book keeping or accounting?. What if their business is a diversified one operating in a number of realms? I just thought some of the advice was a little too narrow for the general approach dictated by the thread title, and I pointed that out. It you find fault with that, then address it, but to go off on some "who would you rather buy from" rampage in an attempt to try to make yourself look good is a little too transparent and childish... even for you. The sooner you stop making comparisons and childish attacks in an attempt to compete with others, ...and understand the biggest competition should be with yourself, ..the better off you will be. You can take my word for it, ...or you can find out the hard way. It's up to you.
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on July 30, 2006, 04:09:10 AM
{LOL} Same 'ol Vince, ...unable to see the forest for the trees huh?  ::)

Vince, you're trying to compare apples & oranges while failing to take into account that www.jaguarenterprises.co m is not about selling supplements.

However, since you did ask... in answer to your question, I suppose a trained eyed and a little investigation could perceive your site to be deceiving. I'm refering specifically to statements and claims made about one of your products that does NOT appear on the manufacturers site regarding that same product. A little investigation would further show, the facts do NOT support the statement you have made about it. I will assume you know the product of which I speak, ...unless of course your site contains numerous doctored statements and false claims? ??? If that were the case, then I would understand any initial confusion about which product I might be refering to. I only mention it because afterall... you did ask.

But my original comments which you responded to were not a "mine vs. his" comment. It simply had to do with the advice you disseminated. You call this thread "Cheap man's guide to starting Home business", but you tell people their business should end in "health, fitness, nutrition, or personal training" ??? What if their home business is taxidermy? what if it's book keeping or accounting?. What if their business is a diversified one operating in a number of realms? I just thought some of the advice was a little too narrow for the general approach dictated by the thread title, and I pointed that out. It you find fault with that, then address it, but to go off on some "who would you rather buy from" rampage in an attempt to try to make yourself look good is a little too transparent and childish... even for you. The sooner you stop making comparisons and childish attacks in an attempt to compete with others, ...and understand the biggest competition should be with yourself, ..the better off you will be. You can take my word for it, ...or you can find out the hard way. It's up to you.



Llet me state that I do apologize for the stuff me and rest of the folks did on the the nutritional board.  I'm not going to make personal attacks against you anymore.




Now that that's out of the way, first off this is a bodybuilding and fitness dicussion board so it should have been apparant to the reader the the home business being discussed would be related to health and fitness.  If I was talking about starting a business in taxidermy, then I wouldn't post about it around here.


As far as competing with you, there is no contest between me and you for a number of reasons.


1.  My website ranks higher than yours, even 240 or bust.  That means more people come to me for their fitness needs than you.  You have no rank on Alexa while I do.  Your google rank is 0 out of 10 while mine is 2 out of 10.  You haven't had many visitirs lately 

2.  Your own website isn't your real one.  With all the pages of literature, audio and video presentations, when you peel away the exterior, this is what you get.  This is your real website address.  There is no actual Jaguar Enterprises.  You are Judy Embden, independent sales rep for Synergy.

http://www.jaguar.mysynergy.net/synergycorp/myhome.aspx

3.  The prices for my supplements are much lower than yours, shipping is lower, delivery is faster.  Simply put, very few people will justify spending 99 dollars on L-arginine.  In case you aren't aware, the most common thing people look for in a product is the price to see whether they are getting a fair deal or not.  Remember I put your product on Ebay which all the literature and material and it didn't even make it to 30 dollars.  The only reason that it even got any bids had more to do with me being an Ebay Powerseller. 

4.  Your argument about overstock is taken however I don't have a problem with that.  My product sell pretty quickly.  Some items don't sell as fast as others, but they do sell eventually.  Everyone doesn't need everything at the same time.  Synergy makes the majority of their money off recruiting "salesman" than actual sale of product.  That's how MLM companies work.


5.  I'm a certified personal trainer and athletic sports nutritionist.  As of yet, I have not seen any creditentials of yours but I can be mistaken.



I can go on about this but its not nessesary.  My point in comparing website is simply who is truly out there selling health & fitness products  and who isn't.  Because if you take one look at your website....well we wouldn't know.
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: JamieX4200 on July 30, 2006, 08:21:28 PM
more like a panda lost in the woods
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: 24KT on July 31, 2006, 04:33:53 AM

Llet me state that I do apologize for the stuff me and rest of the folks did on the the nutritional board.

If you were truly sorry, you would NOT continue to do it.

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I'm not going to make personal attacks against you anymore.

 ::) Talk is cheap. I'll believe that when I see it.

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Now that that's out of the way, first off this is a bodybuilding and fitness dicussion board so it should have been apparant to the reader the the home business being discussed would be related to health and fitness.  If I was talking about starting a business in taxidermy, then I wouldn't post about it around here.

I understand that, but not everyone here is a professional bodybuilder or even has desires or aspirations to turn pro or to be a physical trainer. Some people read these boards for fitness advice for themselves. That doesn't preclude them from being entrepreneurial. Look at 240, look at Garraeth. They both read the boards and train. They also run home businesses that have nothing to do with health, fitness, or personal training. That was my point.

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As far as competing with you, there is no contest between me and you for a number of reasons.

1.  My website ranks higher than yours, even 240 or bust.  That means more people come to me for their fitness needs than you.  You have no rank on Alexa while I do.  Your google rank is 0 out of 10 while mine is 2 out of 10.  You haven't had many visitirs lately

You really ought to consider taking up comedy.  ::)

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2.  Your own website isn't your real one.  With all the pages of literature, audio and video presentations, when you peel away the exterior, this is what you get.  This is your real website address.  There is no actual Jaguar Enterprises.  You are Judy Embden, independent sales rep for Synergy.

http://www.jaguar.mysynergy.net/synergycorp/myhome.aspx

 :o There is no Jaguar Enterprises? Uh.. ok... if you say so.  ::)
What you've posted is a corporate replicated website that facilitates online retail ordering of Synergy branded products. What of it?
 
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3.  The prices for my supplements are much lower than yours, shipping is lower, delivery is faster.  Simply put, very few people will justify spending 99 dollars on L-arginine.  In case you aren't aware, the most common thing people look for in a product is the price to see whether they are getting a fair deal or not.

Nah, Vince... you're not making yet another useless comparison here..  ::)
Perhaps the most common thing your customers look for in a product is a price, ...however, my customers are looking for unique, quality goods and/or services from a company they know they can trust... in addition to other things. We serve different markets. There is no comparison between apples and oranges. Why you insist on doing so is beyond me. Stop being so insecure. I'm really getting embarrassed for you.

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Remember I put your product on Ebay which all the literature and material and it didn't even make it to 30 dollars.  The only reason that it even got any bids had more to do with me being an Ebay Powerseller. 

Ya, I remember how embarassed I was for you too. You couldn't even get $30 for something that thousands of people gladly pay $100 for for. You pwned yourself with that one.

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4.  Your argument about overstock is taken however I don't have a problem with that.  My product sell pretty quickly.  Some items don't sell as fast as others, but they do sell eventually.  Everyone doesn't need everything at the same time.

And for a small business starting out that perhaps maybe short on capital, tying up what little capital they do have in something that's not selling is not the most efficient use of their resources is it?  I wasn't trying to say that YOU Vince Goodrum of Caliber Fitness sells outdated and expired stock to people. The thread was a general one about starting a business. A business owner short on cash without the ability to run an effective ad campaign isn't going to benefit from $5 grand worth of stock that's not selling. That $5 G's could have been put to better use so that the business see's a better return as well as rate of return on the funds s/he has invested. in order for any business to be successful, it must make the most efficient use of all it's resources, whether that be labour, inventory, or cash. That was my point.

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Synergy makes the majority of their money off recruiting "salesman" than actual sale of product.  That's how MLM companies work.

Wrong Again. That's how pyramids work. And that's why pyramids are illegal.

In Synergy, nobody makes any money unless product is sold.
Please stop trying to describe something you clearly know nothing about. Please stick to describing & focussing attention on your own business.

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5.  I'm a certified personal trainer and athletic sports nutritionist.  As of yet, I have not seen any creditentials of yours but I can be mistaken.

Can be? ??? You quite often are!

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I can go on about this but its not nessesary.  My point in comparing website is simply who is truly out there selling health & fitness products  and who isn't.  Because if you take one look at your website....well we wouldn't know.

Vince, it's quite obvious there is a lot you don't know. I'd like to suggest that you focus your efforts on running and developing your own business. How someone with a "supposedly successful" business can find so much time to think about someone else and their business  makes me wonder how "successful" your business is. And if by any wild stretch of the imaginative, and some fortuitous blessing from above it happens to be successful, ...how long it can remain so? Robert Kiyosaki has a great phrase he uses. He says "If you want to be successful in business, ...you need to MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS!" I invite you to do the same.  :)
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on July 31, 2006, 08:40:34 AM
1..Continue to do what??  Where have I made a personal attack attack against you???

2.  Again this is a bodybuilding and fitness dicussion board.  There are much more people here interested in being a personal trainer or own a supplement business than scrub garbage cans or drive an ice cream truck

3.  The site ranks don't lie, you can check them for yourself throught Alexa and Google.  And it does tell a fine story as to who's buying from who

4.  Corporate replicated site..... ::)  If that's the case than why does the vast majority of Synergy associates use it as their main site???  Come on Judi, its your actual sales site and the other pages are a cover for it.

5.  L-arginine is a cheap and abundant source...period.  Your product is no better than the NO-Explode, Xpand, Superpump or any other product on the market. Except its much more expensive and is less effective

6.  I don't encourage people to buy expired supplements nor do I stock them.  Your slander however will be ignored.  Most big companies like BB.com order too much of one product and that's what I'm referring to as to getting supplies. 




FINALLY, you are the one who commented on MY BUSINESS POST I MADE.  I DON'T NEED TO MIND MY BUSINESS ON MY THREAD!!!

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Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on July 31, 2006, 08:41:41 AM
1..Continue to do what??  Where have I made a personal attack attack against you???

2.  Again this is a bodybuilding and fitness dicussion board.  There are much more people here interested in being a personal trainer or own a supplement business than scrub garbage cans or drive an ice cream truck

3.  The site ranks don't lie, you can check them for yourself throught Alexa and Google.  And it does tell a fine story as to who's buying from who

4.  Corporate replicated site..... ::)  If that's the case than why does the vast majority of Synergy associates use it as their main site???  Come on Judi, its your actual sales site and the other pages are a cover for it.  .  

5.  L-arginine is a cheap and abundant source...period.  Your product is no better than the NO-Explode, Xpand, Superpump or any other product on the market. Except its much more expensive and is less effective

6.  I don't encourage people to buy expired supplements nor do I stock them.  Your slander however will be ignored.  Most big companies like BB.com order too much of one product and that's what I'm referring to as to getting supplies.  




7.  FINALLY, you are the one who commented on MY BUSINESS POST I MADE.  I DON'T NEED TO MIND MY BUSINESS ON MY THREAD!!!  If you can't take the heat, then hop to another thread
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: The Master on July 31, 2006, 09:32:02 AM


3.  The site ranks don't lie, you can check them for yourself throught Alexa and Google.  And it does tell a fine story as to who's buying from who



She has no friggin clue what it means, so she answers like "a bitch".

You're a weirdo Vince, but you're winning this one ;)
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on July 31, 2006, 04:22:03 PM
She has no friggin clue what it means, so she answers like "a bitch".

You're a weirdo Vince, but you're winning this one ;)


Don't know why, I even gave her a call on Skype and referred her over a new associate who was asking me about Synergy. 


Judi simply doesn't understand the difference between MLM and the stardard business rule which I've tried to explain to her. 

First off, she's trying to tell me how to run a business but she's only been in business (if you can exactly) call it business since 2004!!!!  Come on now.  This was her first website. She is using POKEMON CHARACTER TO SELL HER BUSINESS!!!  Not only is it completely cheesy but its trademark infringement and she could have gotten in some serious hot water.  Here is her business in 2004

http://web.archive.org/web/20040318064551/http://jaguarenterprises.com/



Now here's the kicker, she then in 2005 gets off the Synergy bandwagon and starts selling Monavie.  If Synergy was so great and making so much money for her then why completely do a 360 and go into another business???
This was her site in 2005 
http://web.archive.org/web/20050128071721/http://jaguarenterprises.com/



Crazy isn't it DF.  That's why I like Alexa, it gives the real truth about a business

Now this is 2002 for me, year in business long before Judi was around
http://web.archive.org/web/20020604122802/http://caliberfitness.net/



Now this is me in 2004 at the same time, after 3 years of building the business is when I started to make money from the business.  I'm well ahead of her and this was the time when I was bringing in other lines of product and expanding the business 
http://web.archive.org/web/20040921105614/http://caliberfitness.com/



Now its 2006, my websites no longer look crappy because I now have the funds from the business to invest in.  I now carry over 80 different products.  I'm currently sold out of Total Trainers until September and I'm selling Synthetek like its going out of style.  Point I'm trying to make is that nothing comes easy in business and those who try to take the easy way out never get anywhere.  I built my business fighting tooth and nail all the way and did it the honest and the right way. 

Judi, I respect your response but I think its time to reevaluate your business.  At the very least put a fresh coat of paint on your website and redo it.  240 or bust could problably give you a good deal. 
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: danielson on July 31, 2006, 04:24:48 PM
Its easier for you Vince, you are a walking billboard for your products! Looking great man!
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: The Master on July 31, 2006, 04:56:48 PM

Don't know why, I even gave her a call on Skype and referred her over a new associate who was asking me about Synergy. 


Judi simply doesn't understand the difference between MLM and the stardard business rule which I've tried to explain to her. 

First off, she's trying to tell me how to run a business but she's only been in business (if you can exactly) call it business since 2004!!!!  Come on now.  This was her first website. She is using POKEMON CHARACTER TO SELL HER BUSINESS!!!  Not only is it completely cheesy but its trademark infringement and she could have gotten in some serious hot water.  Here is her business in 2004

http://web.archive.org/web/20040318064551/http://jaguarenterprises.com/



Now here's the kicker, she then in 2005 gets off the Synergy bandwagon and starts selling Monavie.  If Synergy was so great and making so much money for her then why completely do a 360 and go into another business???
This was her site in 2005 
http://web.archive.org/web/20050128071721/http://jaguarenterprises.com/



Crazy isn't it DF.  That's why I like Alexa, it gives the real truth about a business

Now this is 2002 for me, year in business long before Judi was around
http://web.archive.org/web/20020604122802/http://caliberfitness.net/



Now this is me in 2004 at the same time, after 3 years of building the business is when I started to make money from the business.  I'm well ahead of her and this was the time when I was bringing in other lines of product and expanding the business 
http://web.archive.org/web/20040921105614/http://caliberfitness.com/



Now its 2006, my websites no longer look crappy because I now have the funds from the business to invest in.  I now carry over 80 different products.  I'm currently sold out of Total Trainers until September and I'm selling Synthetek like its going out of style.  Point I'm trying to make is that nothing comes easy in business and those who try to take the easy way out never get anywhere.  I built my business fighting tooth and nail all the way and did it the honest and the right way. 

Judi, I respect your response but I think its time to reevaluate your business.  At the very least put a fresh coat of paint on your website and redo it.  240 or bust could problably give you a good deal. 

You crushed her with this post ;D

Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on July 31, 2006, 06:23:02 PM
You crushed her with this post ;D



The arm of the law caught up with her
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: danielson on July 31, 2006, 06:25:41 PM
The arm of the law caught up with her

what are they? 22?
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: 24KT on August 01, 2006, 02:59:43 AM
1..Continue to do what??  Where have I made a personal attack attack against you???

Anyone with eyes can just look through this thread to find it.  ::)
Even Stevie Wonder could find it.

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2.  Again this is a bodybuilding and fitness dicussion board.  There are much more people here interested in being a personal trainer or own a supplement business than scrub garbage cans or drive an ice cream truck

I think you'd find people more interested in owning a supplement business over scrubbing garbage cans on any site.

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3.  The site ranks don't lie, you can check them for yourself throught Alexa and Google.  And it does tell a fine story as to who's buying from who

Alexa and Google Ranks don't lie, ...it's the one doing the interpretation that does. In this case it's YOU!

What I haven't quite decided yet is if this is just you purposely trying to deceive readers who may not know any better, or if you're just using your usual skewed logic again?

For those who are unaware of how things work in the network mtkg arena, most retail customers do not purchase from a distributor's website. The distributor or customer orders the product directly from within their own back-office console, or through the company directly. The distributor is credited for the sale because that customer's account is linked to the distributor. If a retail customer calls in an order directly to the company, or if a distributor or wholesale consumer makes an order directly from their back-office console, there is no visit to the distributor's website, and no "hit" to show up on a Google or an Alexa ranking.  Why would a customer go to a website designed primarily to deliver information? ...especially when they have an automatic shipment of the product or service set up that comes to them every month on whatever day they choose, ...or their own account through which they can order what they want whenever they choose? My corporate replicated site is there to capture the odd retail sale from strangers who might come surfing through and want to order. As I've stated many times before, I prefer to allow customers to acquire their products or services at my cost, and make my income on the overall wholesale volume of all the orders. The only time I charge retail is if someone purchases from the retail cart, or if I have to physically handle the order, ...or if they've been a pain in the tush.

In all the years and all the different companies in network mtkg companies Vince has been in, ...he should know this, ...yet he appears to want you to believe that someone is going to buy something at retail when the distributor makes it available to them at wholesale. This makes Vince's comments disengenous, ...or it makes Vince a clued out fool. I'm inclined to believe it's a bit of both.

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4.  Corporate replicated site..... ::)  If that's the case than why does the vast majority of Synergy associates use it as their main site???

Dah! That's what a replicated site is. Network Mtkg is a business of duplication, ...but I doubt you understand that.

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Come on Judi, its your actual sales site and the other pages are a cover for it.

I've told you what that site is Vince, it's the corporate replicated site made available from the company that facilitates online ordering of Synergy products by retail customers. plain and simple. There is no "cover" for anything. My website existed long before the replicated website came into being.

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5.  L-arginine is a cheap and abundant source...period.

I've never said arginine wasn't cheap. It is cheap. However cheap arginine without a rider can open you up to a world of hurt. If someone doesn't care about killing their sperm, or breaking out in cold sores, or any of the other harmfull and well documented side-effects of consuming disregulated arginine without a rider... they're free to do so. Oh no... I forgot, they're not, at least not in Canada. All arginine's started coming off the shelf as of May 16th, 2006. Health Regulatory agencies around the world are beginning to understand the dangers of disregulated arginine metabolism for the consumer. When it's possible to lower the costs of the 3 week 32-step process of making the rider (a process which up til now the biggest pharmaceutical companies have been unable to reverse engineer), then perhaps the price will go down. Until then, it is what it is. Personally, I don't understand why you're all up in arms about the price of products I promote, ...especially when they are higher than yours. If anything, I would think you'd be happy about that. I can only suppose the fact that more & more people are finding out about the dangers of using disregulated arginine and are asking for Synergy's ProArgi-9 brand by name, is beginning to get to you.

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Your product is no better than the NO-Explode, Xpand, Superpump or any other product on the market. Except its much more expensive and is less effective

750,000 pages of documentation and approved claims by the FDA & FTC say otherwise. not to mention thousands of very satisfied users around the world.

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6.  I don't encourage people to buy expired supplements nor do I stock them.  Your slander however will be ignored.  Most big companies like BB.com order too much of one product and that's what I'm referring to as to getting supplies.

I never said you did. In addition to being delusional, are you also illiterate as well?

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7.  FINALLY, you are the one who commented on MY BUSINESS POST I MADE.  I DON'T NEED TO MIND MY BUSINESS ON MY THREAD!!!  If you can't take the heat, then hop to another thread

Then why don't you act like the credible professional you're trying to appear like, and address issues raised in the thread, rather than go off on some personal attack against me, trying to deceive others in an attempt to make yourself look good. You compare apples to oranges and only deceive and mislead fools, ...or those without the knowledge or background to know you are being deceptive..
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: 24KT on August 01, 2006, 03:50:32 AM

Don't know why, I even gave her a call on Skype and referred her over a new associate who was asking me about Synergy.

And who would this elusive referral have been Vince?  :o 

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Judi simply doesn't understand the difference between MLM and the stardard business rule which I've tried to explain to her.

Hahaha. Vince you really should take up comedy. 

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First off, she's trying to tell me how to run a business but she's only been in business (if you can exactly) call it business since 2004!!!!

Don't you ever get tired of lying Vince? I've been in "business" since you were still in school.
I would say the date, ...but then I'd be revealing too much information.  :-X

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Come on now.  This was her first website. She is using POKEMON CHARACTER TO SELL HER BUSINESS!!!  Not only is it completely cheesy but its trademark infringement and she could have gotten in some serious hot water.  Here is her business in 2004

http://web.archive.org/web/20040318064551/http://jaguarenterprises.com/

First of all, that was NOT my first website. it was however a page I did throw up on a different url back in 1999. I directed the .com url towards it in 2004 after I was able to snag the domain name away from the Indian engineering firm that neglected to renew their domain name. I put it there because some people will automatically type .com into a browser regardless of whatever end domain extension you give them, or whatever end domain is written infront of them. Rather than hearing repeated "I can't find the site", or "I got an error 404 message", or even "I got a GoDaddy parked domain page", they got a link that led them to where I had originally wanted them to go. It was a simple page for simple people.


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Now here's the kicker, she then in 2005 gets off the Synergy bandwagon and starts selling Monavie.  If Synergy was so great and making so much money for her then why completely do a 360 and go into another business???
This was her site in 2005 
http://web.archive.org/web/20050128071721/http://jaguarenterprises.com/

You have no conscience do you? You're willing to lie to anyone about anything aren't you?
You know darn well the story about that, and you know I never got off any Synergy bandwagon. I still use and promote Synergy's products. At the time, I wanted Acai, and I wanted to be able to supply Acai to others who wanted it as well. Synergy delayed release of her Acai product in order to make sure what they were putting out met their stringent standards for quality... unlike others who may have slapped theirs together in a desperate bid to re-invent themselves and save a company with flagging sales. You know darn good and well that once I experienced the Monavie Acai product I decided it wasn't up to my standard. And despite having a very advantageous position at the top of the geneology (prior to the official launch), I chose not to bother building a business with it. Even though I would have had most of the distributor force in my downline organization, I can't promote a product I wouldn't use or don't believe in. I'm just not built that way. I doubt that's something you could relate to. I have the feeling you would sell arsenic to people if you could make a buck on it, ...heck, I wouldn't be surprised it you would do it for a quarter.  In the meantime, I also tried Acai products from a number of other companies as well, but none of them were up to my standards. I ended up waiting a year before Synergy launched her Mistica Acai blend, and quite frankly, ...it was worth the wait! 

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Crazy isn't it DF.  That's why I like Alexa, it gives the real truth about a business

Alexa is incapable of telling anyone the truth about a business. It registers hits to a site, not sales within a business. Alexa is useful for determining whether or not a site will produce the eyeballs that a paying advertiser is looking for. If you're looking to purchase ad space on a website, then perhaps Alexa is a useful tool, ...but if you think it can tell you about sales volume, you're very mistaken. Alexa does not track business volume that occurs throughout the world -- volumes that accrue and/or are ordered through other websites, back-office accounts, or through the telephone. It certainly cannot even begin to register auto-ship sales that are preset by the customer to automatically trigger on a given day every month. In network marketing, pre-set automatically triggered sales usually represent a good 90 - 95% of the sales volume. Vince should know this. What's crazy is his thinking Alexa can determine this, trying to get others to think it does, ...or that others might actually believe him. Now THAT's crazy!

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Judi, I respect your response but I think its time to reevaluate your business.  At the very least put a fresh coat of paint on your website and redo it.  240 or bust could problably give you a good deal. 

Vince, you don't know the meaning of the word respect.

You're not someone I choose to take advice from. My business is doing just fine.
My websites may not be perfect, but they do fulfill their purpose exceedingly well.
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on August 01, 2006, 03:52:50 AM
Anyone with eyes can just look through this thread to find it.  ::)
Even Stevie Wonder could find it.

I think you'd find people more interested in owning a supplement business over scrubbing garbage cans on any site.

Alexa and Google Ranks don't lie, ...it's the one doing the interpretation that does. In this case it's YOU!

What I haven't quite decided yet is if this is just you purposely trying to deceive readers who may not know any better, or if you're just using your usual skewed logic again?

For those who are unaware of how things work in the network mtkg arena, most retail customers do not purchase from a distributor's website. The distributor or customer orders the product directly from within their own back-office console, or through the company directly. The distributor is credited for the sale because that customer's account is linked to the distributor. If a retail customer calls in an order directly to the company, or if a distributor or wholesale consumer makes an order directly from their back-office console, there is no visit to the distributor's website, and no "hit" to show up on a Google or an Alexa ranking.  Why would a customer go to a website designed primarily to deliver information? ...especially when they have an automatic shipment of the product or service set up that comes to them every month on whatever day they choose, ...or their own account through which they can order what they want whenever they choose? My corporate replicated site is there to capture the odd retail sale from strangers who might come surfing through and want to order. As I've stated many times before, I prefer to allow customers to acquire their products or services at my cost, and make my income on the overall wholesale volume of all the orders. The only time I charge retail is if someone purchases from the retail cart, or if I have to physically handle the order, ...or if they've been a pain in the tush.

In all the years and all the different companies in network mtkg companies Vince has been in, ...he should know this, ...yet he appears to want you to believe that someone is going to buy something at retail when the distributor makes it available to them at wholesale. This makes Vince's comments disengenous, ...or it makes Vince a clued out fool. I'm inclined to believe it's a bit of both.

Dah! That's what a replicated site is. Network Mtkg is a business of duplication, ...but I doubt you understand that.

I've told you what that site is Vince, it's the corporate replicated site made available from the company that facilitates online ordering of Synergy products by retail customers. plain and simple. There is no "cover" for anything. My website existed long before the replicated website came into being.

I've never said arginine wasn't cheap. It is cheap. However cheap arginine without a rider can open you up to a world of hurt. If someone doesn't care about killing their sperm, or breaking out in cold sores, or any of the other harmfull and well documented side-effects of consuming disregulated arginine without a rider... they're free to do so. Oh no... I forgot, they're not, at least not in Canada. All arginine's started coming off the shelf as of May 16th, 2006. Health Regulatory agencies around the world are beginning to understand the dangers of disregulated arginine metabolism for the consumer. When it's possible to lower the costs of the 3 week 32-step process of making the rider (a process which up til now the biggest pharmaceutical companies have been unable to reverse engineer), then perhaps the price will go down. Until then, it is what it is. Personally, I don't understand why you're all up in arms about the price of products I promote, ...especially when they are higher than yours. If anything, I would think you'd be happy about that. I can only suppose the fact that more & more people are finding out about the dangers of using disregulated arginine and are asking for Synergy's ProArgi-9 brand by name, is beginning to get to you.

750,000 pages of documentation and approved claims by the FDA & FTC say otherwise. not to mention thousands of very satisfied users around the world.

I never said you did. In addition to being delusional, are you also illiterate as well?

Then why don't you act like the credible professional you're trying to appear like, and address issues raised in the thread, rather than go off on some personal attack against me, trying to deceive others in an attempt to make yourself look good. You compare apples to oranges and only deceive and mislead fools, ...or those without the knowledge or background to know you are being deceptive..





You are once again out of line on everything. 

Again, where is it that I attacked you personally or called you names?  But you seem to have broken the rules calling me illiterate and delusional.  But its ok because it doesn't change anything. 

Read between the lines Judi.  Your business isn't there yet and it never will be unfortunately unless you make some serious changes
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: 24KT on August 01, 2006, 03:53:36 AM
She has no friggin clue what it means, so she answers like "a bitch".

Actually DF I know exactly what he means, I just think it's irrelevant. Alexa and Google rankings measure "hits", they don't measure sales, and they don't measure sales volumes within an organization. I can point to colleagues making well over $100,000.oo per month who have a replicated website that has probably never received a single hit, not to mention others who have never even bothered to configure theirs.

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You're a weirdo Vince, but you're winning this one ;)

Guess which half of that statement I agree with?  ;)

You crushed her with this post ;D


Don't be so easily deceived.
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: 24KT on August 01, 2006, 03:54:37 AM
The arm of the law caught up with her

You are hardly the law by any stretch of a fool's imagination.

There are many laws in this universe... and YOU had better becareful before they catch up with you.
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on August 01, 2006, 03:58:07 AM
And who would this elusive referral have been Vince?  :o 

Hahaha. Vince you really should take up comedy. 

Don't you ever get tired of lying Vince? I've been in "business" since you were still in school.
I would say the date, ...but then I'd be revealing too much information.  :-X

First of all, that was NOT my first website. it was however a page I did throw up on a different url back in 1999. I directed the .com url towards it in 2004 after I was able to snag the domain name away from the Indian engineering firm that neglected to renew their domain name. I put it there because some people will automatically type .com into a browser regardless of whatever end domain extension you give them, or whatever end domain is written infront of them. Rather than hearing repeated "I can't find the site", or "I got an error 404 message", or even "I got a GoDaddy parked domain page", they got a link that led them to where I had originally wanted them to go. It was a simple page for simple people.


You have no conscience do you? You're willing to lie to anyone about anything aren't you?
You know darn well the story about that, and you know I never got off any Synergy bandwagon. I still use and promote Synergy's products. At the time, I wanted Acai, and I wanted to be able to supply Acai to others who wanted it as well. Synergy delayed release of her Acai product in order to make sure what they were putting out met their stringent standards for quality... unlike others who may have slapped theirs together in a desperate bid to re-invent themselves and save a company with flagging sales. You know darn good and well that once I experienced the Monavie Acai product I decided it wasn't up to my standard. And despite having a very advantageous position at the top of the geneology (prior to the official launch), I chose not to bother building a business with it. Even though I would have had most of the distributor force in my downline organization, I can't promote a product I wouldn't use or don't believe in. I'm just not built that way. I doubt that's something you could relate to. I have the feeling you would sell arsenic to people if you could make a buck on it, ...heck, I wouldn't be surprised it you would do it for a quarter.  In the meantime, I also tried Acai products from a number of other companies as well, but none of them were up to my standards. I ended up waiting a year before Synergy launched her Mistica Acai blend, and quite frankly, ...it was worth the wait! 

Alexa is incapable of telling anyone the truth about a business. It registers hits to a site, not sales within a business. Alexa is useful for determining whether or not a site will produce the eyeballs that a paying advertiser is looking for. If you're looking to purchase ad space on a website, then perhaps Alexa is a useful tool, ...but if you think it can tell you about sales volume, you're very mistaken. Alexa does not track business volume that occurs throughout the world -- volumes that accrue and/or are ordered through other websites, back-office accounts, or through the telephone. It certainly cannot even begin to register auto-ship sales that are preset by the customer to automatically trigger on a given day every month. In network marketing, pre-set automatically triggered sales usually represent a good 90 - 95% of the sales volume. Vince should know this. What's crazy is his thinking Alexa can determine this, trying to get others to think it does, ...or that others might actually believe him. Now THAT's crazy!

Vince, you don't know the meaning of the word respect.

You're not someone I choose to take advice from. My business is doing just fine.
My websites may not be perfect, but they do fulfill their purpose exceedingly well.








Again this an example of misinterpetation.  I didn't say that you were working or related to Michael Forrest.


The alexa links change constant so I'm surprised, you can still use their wayback service to check websites from the past.  And they don't lie



The point is that you have no track record of anything, while I do have one of customers and clients.  But don't get upset if you don't like the responses I'm giving you because I'm answering your questions.  Not only that, again this is my thread and because you responded, you are welcome to public scutiny of your business.  But don't get it confused with personally attacking you.
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: 24KT on August 01, 2006, 05:31:18 AM

Now I know your lying.  Do a google search for Jaguar Enterprises.  You'll find a famous person who's sitting in jail for selling these phony health machines.  Jaguarenterprises.com was owned by him.

A blatant attempt to try to associate me with a criminal? Wow Vince, that was a very cheap shot ...even for you.
You know I don't know him or have any association to him whatsoever, ...yet you put that out there? Unconscionable!  >:(

To the best of my knowledge, Jaguar Enterprises.com was never owned by Michael Forrest (the individual to whom you refer). When I first attempted to acquire it, the domain name was owned by an Indian engineering firm in Bombay, who had registered it through Network solutions I believe. It wasn't until 2004, when I saw they had let it lapse, that I acquired it to ensure that neither Michael Forrest nor anyone else could. This of course was before I knew of his legal woes. Had I known how much baggage the name came with, I never would have used it. Unfortunately, I had developed such a significant offline business under that name, that using it online was a natural. I could do nothing about him using a similar name, but I could stop him from acquiring the TLD names which I did. I also acquired the .net TLD after the kid in Texas who ran the karaoke website didn't renew as well. At the time, .com and .net were the 2 most popular domain extensions, and I was sick of people inadvertently typing other people's sites into their web browsers

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You didn't get the domain until 2004.

Isn't that what I have just previously said. It wasn't until 2004 that I was able to get the .com extension

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If you did have a website in 1999, where is it.  Alexa has the Wayback Machine which can scan for past website.

{rotflmao} oh ya, like I'm really gonna tell you what any of my other domain names or websites are?
Why, so you can try to stalk me on those too? No thanks. You're hardly what I could consider the ideal publicist.

I will leave you with this though. I just took a screenshot of my GoDaddy back office. I trust you'll recognize it since you also use GoDaddy as the registrar for your site. I've deleted my customer number, as well as receipt numbers for obvious reasons, ...but as you can see I've acquired a significant amount of domain names from then dating back to 2001.

(http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/GoDaddyOrderHistory.jpg)

Prior to becoming a GoDaddy customer I used Network Solutions and e-Nom. As for my website in 1999, you won't be getting that from me. Do you actually think I'd give that to you so you can try to construct more lies about me?

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Give it a rest Judi because its pointless.  You're not making money in Synergy or any other company and we all know it. 

If you say so.  ::)

Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: danielson on August 01, 2006, 09:22:57 AM
ok so if I wanted to order some supplements which one of you guys should I use? or should I try both and then report back on this thread about customer service?
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on August 01, 2006, 03:26:08 PM
A blatant attempt to try to associate me with a criminal? Wow Vince, that was a very cheap shot ...even for you.
You know I don't know him or have any association to him whatsoever, ...yet you put that out there? Unconscionable!  >:(

To the best of my knowledge, Jaguar Enterprises.com was never owned by Michael Forrest (the individual to whom you refer). When I first attempted to acquire it, the domain name was owned by an Indian engineering firm in Bombay, who had registered it through Network solutions I believe. It wasn't until 2004, when I saw they had let it lapse, that I acquired it to ensure that neither Michael Forrest nor anyone else could. This of course was before I knew of his legal woes. Had I known how much baggage the name came with, I never would have used it. Unfortunately, I had developed such a significant offline business under that name, that using it online was a natural. I could do nothing about him using a similar name, but I could stop him from acquiring the TLD names which I did. I also acquired the .net TLD after the kid in Texas who ran the karaoke website didn't renew as well. At the time, .com and .net were the 2 most popular domain extensions, and I was sick of people inadvertently typing other people's sites into their web browsers

Isn't that what I have just previously said. It wasn't until 2004 that I was able to get the .com extension

{rotflmao} oh ya, like I'm really gonna tell you what any of my other domain names or websites are?
Why, so you can try to stalk me on those too? No thanks. You're hardly what I could consider the ideal publicist.

I will leave you with this though. I just took a screenshot of my GoDaddy back office. I trust you'll recognize it since you also use GoDaddy as the registrar for your site. I've deleted my customer number, as well as receipt numbers for obvious reasons, ...but as you can see I've acquired a significant amount of domain names from then dating back to 2001.

(http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/GoDaddyOrderHistory.jpg)

Prior to becoming a GoDaddy customer I used Network Solutions and e-Nom. As for my website in 1999, you won't be getting that from me. Do you actually think I'd give that to you so you can try to construct more lies about me?

If you say so.  ::)




This has gone too far.  I haven't accused you of being associated with Michael Forrest.   Either PM me or Skype me at caliberfitness Judi. 
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: xpac2 on August 01, 2006, 03:45:57 PM



Let's see here:

www.jaguarenterprises.co m
or
www.caliberfitness.com


Which site would you buy from??  Which site appears most deceiving.




None...you are both jerkoffs
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: danielson on August 01, 2006, 03:48:19 PM
None...you are both jerkoffs

I agree. I was going to order form both to compare, but they bicker like little bitches.(But you are in no way a sucka mc, Vince ;D)
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: bmacsys on August 17, 2006, 01:56:26 PM



Let's see here:

www.jaguarenterprises.co m
or
www.caliberfitness.com


Which site would you buy from??  Which site appears most deceiving.




Vince, you have some bad looking type reflow on your "Credentials" page. You should clean that up.
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on August 17, 2006, 04:22:03 PM
Vince, you have some bad looking type reflow on your "Credentials" page. You should clean that up.



Its being designed under Caliber Enterprises
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: 240 is Back on August 28, 2006, 01:57:56 AM
woah!  WPSE is awesome now lol...
Title: Re: Cheap Man's Guide To Starting Home Business
Post by: Bast175 on August 28, 2006, 06:14:54 PM
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