How do you think Doggcrapp and his legion will feel about these groundbreaking new ideas?
ROFLMAO.TA, are you saying that Dante knows as much about this game as a sweaty swimming pool full of old mincers, each with a penchant for washing 'meaty treats' just prior to guzzling down a hot mouthful of steaming freshly 'rinsed' protein?
these two are pretty much exactly opposite.
eating a ton with low reps and stretching vs.
"low" calories (bbing terms wise) and high reps, etc.
How do you think Doggcrapp and his legion will feel about these groundbreaking new ideas?
ROFLMAO.
I remember him getting requests to make the protein jugs bigger because the DC trainees hands were getting too big to reach in their protein jugs. hahhahahhahahahahah
I say throw away your protein jug today!
You aren`t going to need that anymore.
This place isn't about bodybuilding anymore :-\
I know this place isn't meant to be taken seriously, but, I mean this kind of garbage really shouldn't be tolerated, even on here. The stupidity on this board is often really funny and entertaining, but, in this case it is staggering and annoying. Adonis, you have too much free time.
They are stuck eating Rinsed, unsalted ground beef by the lb and drinking Olive oil with carb cutoffs,
While we are eating Ice Cream,Pizza and Hamburgers and Peanut butter and jelly sandwhiches and laughing all the way.
hahahahahahahahahahah
at first i thought it was someones gimmick account...actually pretty funny.
but i think he really believes some of this nonsense...lol
I`m serious.
Trust me. I have done the traditional thing for years and you know what.
It is all lies,myths and nonsense fueled by hysteria and rarely any science.
Simply put, Ice Cream/Frozen Yogurt has a higher nutrient content and mineral content and lower GI than Oatmeal and Brown Rice.
It barely even registers an insulin response. Brown Rice And oatmeal are far less nutritional and will cause blood sugar levels rise way way more.
Add that to the fact that new studies have proven that Dairy products specifically release fat stored in the abdominal region.
You can look this shit up yourself or you can just listen.
Now tell me I am wrong. hahhahah
these two are pretty much exactly opposite.
eating a ton with low reps and stretching vs.
"low" calories (bbing terms wise) and high reps, etc.
How do you think Doggcrapp and his legion will feel about these groundbreaking new ideas?
all the dogshitters just got fat, plain and simple, the ones that didn't could metabolise all the protein, cos they were juiced to the gills.yes!!!!!!!!! you get it, Adonis is singlehandedly revolutionizing the bodybuilding world with these methods, IT'S TOO F.UCKING EASY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Adonis talks a lot of sense when it comes to natural nutrition.
As an outsider looking in it seems DC is laughing his way to the bank and notoriety selling his services and owning his own business and his clients seem to be laughing their way to competitive success.
these two are pretty much exactly opposite.
eating a ton with low reps and stretching vs.
"low" calories (bbing terms wise) and high reps, etc.
How do you think Doggcrapp and his legion will feel about these groundbreaking new ideas?
The True Adonis "While we are eating Ice Cream,Pizza and Hamburgers and Peanut butter and jelly sandwhiches and laughing all the way.
hahahahahahahahahahah"
Adonis.....Where exactly are you laughing too?
As an outsider looking in it seems DC is laughing his way to the bank and notoriety selling his services and owning his own business and his clients seem to be laughing their way to competitive success.
David Henry got big on DC. Mentzer, Viator, Dugdale, and Dorian on HIT variations. Arnold on volume, but his best on volume with intensity. Johnny Jackson and Eric Bui by powerlifting. Serge on lots of volume. They all found what worked best for them. They all tried various styles of training, saw the results that they got, and eventually found what their body responded best to, in both ecercise and diet. Dorian carefully logged and measured everything about his diet, Darrem plays it by ear.
There is no "one" method to getting big. There is what works for you the best, which may not be what works for someone else the best. Adonis isn't revolutionizing bodybuilding, he's just presenting his variation on it. Which is pretty close to a lot of other guys' variation. Same with Dante. Though he hates having it categorized as HIT, it's very similar (I think it's actually remarkably similar to a hardcore version of the Body for Life program). You can argue how much better one system is over another till the end of time, but there will never be a resolution. For every person who got awesome results training one way, there's someone who didn't get any.
Adonis's principles work for him. Awesome. DC's work for Dave Henry. Awesome. Each and every one of us has what works for us. Talking about different systems can be educational and rewarding, and certainly trying out different things is the best way to find what works for you. But argueing about what system works best is just retarded. There is no best, just different.
David Henry got big on DC. Mentzer, Viator, Dugdale, and Dorian on HIT variations. Arnold on volume, but his best on volume with intensity. Johnny Jackson and Eric Bui by powerlifting. Serge on lots of volume. They all found what worked best for them. They all tried various styles of training, saw the results that they got, and eventually found what their body responded best to, in both ecercise and diet. Dorian carefully logged and measured everything about his diet, Darrem plays it by ear.
There is no "one" method to getting big. There is what works for you the best, which may not be what works for someone else the best. Adonis isn't revolutionizing bodybuilding, he's just presenting his variation on it. Which is pretty close to a lot of other guys' variation. Same with Dante. Though he hates having it categorized as HIT, it's very similar (I think it's actually remarkably similar to a hardcore version of the Body for Life program). You can argue how much better one system is over another till the end of time, but there will never be a resolution. For every person who got awesome results training one way, there's someone who didn't get any.
Adonis's principles work for him. Awesome. DC's work for Dave Henry. Awesome. Each and every one of us has what works for us. Talking about different systems can be educational and rewarding, and certainly trying out different things is the best way to find what works for you. But argueing about what system works best is just retarded. There is no best, just different.
Hey guys, here's my bodybuilding "theory":
Eat a good diet, train with intensity, get adequate rest and try to maintain a balanced lifestyle and you will gain muscle mass.
Discuss.
You obviously don't know a thing about bodybuilding. Take it from me, I live on a diet of bubble gum and spam, I only work out 1 3/4 times a week, and I benchpress 7 thousand pounds for reps. I call my system the "T(ea-time) system, my secret is having my pinky up on all my lifts and drinking 30 bags of earl gray every day. Everything else is wrong, the great conspiracy has lied to you, my method is the only way you will get big!
:P
I guess spewing bullshit is kinda fun afterall ;D
There is no best, just different.
Mike Mentzer was one of the few philosophers in bodybuilding. He claimed there is only one true theory about any phenomenon and I agree with him. So, what is the true theory of maximum hypertrophy? What others are discussing here are various theories and methods that have believers and followers. Now, either a theory works or it does not work. If it fails to generate hypertrophy and the trainee did everything optimally then there is something wrong with the theory.
Let us do a thought experiment. Suppose we reverse engineer the training of all the guys who got huge. If we could subtract the contribution of drugs then we could determine what exactly caused the growth. Since most bodybuilders take years to get huge it becomes too complicated to determine what exactly is causing the growth. It might be this or that or a lot of factors. There have been no lab studies done to generate significant levels of hypertrophy in humans.
Okay, the thought experiment is this. Is it not possible, in principle, to grow maximally everyday? If so, then it must be possible to find a way to grow maximally everyday. Reverse engineering programs from most professionals is not going to be profitable because they contaminate results with drug use. It may well be that some programs work up to a point but cannot transcend thresholds and so progress stagnates. Clearly if growth stops then something is wrong with the program and something different has to be done.
I believe it is possible to grow maximally every day. I doubt HIT or HST will do it. I would bet neither can come close. Not the way they are formulated at the moment. Until someone can demonstrate daily rapid growth we are never going to find the best program. In the meantime bodybuilders clash in gyms and discussion boards about which method is right. Most methods overlap with the true theory of hypertrophy but none are the true theory. The complete theory will have to explain all non-growth as well and that is something that is difficult to explain to those who are not making gains in the gym. I would guess that that vast majority of bodybuilders are not growing today. Those who are growing are doing so at a very slow rate. The sport has been reduced into a basic training enterprise which requires drugs to get really big. That is what almost everyone believes at the moment and I wonder if that will ever change. There is hardly anyone out there looking for the ultimate hypertrophy method because they simply do not believe one exists.
Yes, we do differ from each other. I wonder by how much and if particular personal theories are required for each of us. If that is true then there can be no science of hypertrophy. I cannot believe we are that different. There is so much nonsense that bodybuilders believe that I wonder if most can ever try to be scientific.
Yeah, no point posting when everyone is already an expert.
You obviously don't know a thing about bodybuilding. Take it from me, I live on a diet of bubble gum and spam, I only work out 1 3/4 times a week, and I benchpress 7 thousand pounds for reps. I call my system the "T(ea-time) system, my secret is having my pinky up on all my lifts and drinking 30 bags of earl gray every day. Everything else is wrong, the great conspiracy has lied to you, my method is the only way you will get big!
:P
I guess spewing bullshit is kinda fun afterall ;D
I wish I knew then what I know now. Would have made a huge difference. I suppose as soon as bodybuilders get 16 inch arms they feel they know something about training. I wish it were that easy.
You guys have no theories here whatsoever. It is like the blind leading the blind.
You guys have no theories here whatsoever. It is like the blind leading the blind.
DC training is Mentzer's HIT training, there is no difference. It is a scam plain and simple.
Only difference is Dante has these idiots doing "rack chins" in the gym to improve back width, lmao, like they will improve someones back superior to regular chins.
Dante, it's all genetic, moving your hands out wider, doesn't make your back wider...hahaha
Anyone who has paid Dante to train them is a scam artists wet dream. Take a $20 Mentzer book and charge people $500 to adhere to the principles. hahahahah smooth work DC, I must admit.
Dante, any other studies on extreme stretching working, or just the old bird wing study you have laying around? ::)
DC training is Mentzer's HIT training, there is no difference. It is a scam plain and simple.
Only difference is Dante has these idiots doing "rack chins" in the gym to improve back width, lmao, like they will improve someones back superior to regular chins.
Dante, it's all genetic, moving your hands out wider, doesn't make your back wider...hahaha
Anyone who has paid Dante to train them is a scam artists wet dream. Take a $20 Mentzer book and charge people $500 to adhere to the principles. hahahahah smooth work DC, I must admit.
Dante, any other studies on extreme stretching working, or just the old bird wing study you have laying around? ::)
David Henry got big on DC. Mentzer, Viator, Dugdale, and Dorian on HIT variations. Arnold on volume, but his best on volume with intensity. Johnny Jackson and Eric Bui by powerlifting. Serge on lots of volume. They all found what worked best for them. They all tried various styles of training, saw the results that they got, and eventually found what their body responded best to, in both ecercise and diet. Dorian carefully logged and measured everything about his diet, Darrem plays it by ear.
There is no "one" method to getting big. There is what works for you the best, which may not be what works for someone else the best. Adonis isn't revolutionizing bodybuilding, he's just presenting his variation on it. Which is pretty close to a lot of other guys' variation. Same with Dante. Though he hates having it categorized as HIT, it's very similar (I think it's actually remarkably similar to a hardcore version of the Body for Life program). You can argue how much better one system is over another till the end of time, but there will never be a resolution. For every person who got awesome results training one way, there's someone who didn't get any.
Adonis's principles work for him. Awesome. DC's work for Dave Henry. Awesome. Each and every one of us has what works for us. Talking about different systems can be educational and rewarding, and certainly trying out different things is the best way to find what works for you. But argueing about what system works best is just retarded. There is no best, just different.
El Spiko's words sound reasonable but they explain nothing at all.
Dante might be controversial but he is using principles that work. Progression, heavy resistance, volume, intensity, novelty, and super nutrition in the sense of eating like crazy.
Larry Scott and Vince Gironda invented new training methods that worked, too. So did Arthur Jones who got the great Sergio at his biggest in a short time personally training him. Some people know more about training than others and if we can synthesize a method out of all the successful ones then we might be close to understanding hypertrophy. While we argue about which is best and use rationalizations about individualization we are never going to find the best method. Clearly, if you are not growing then you have to try something different. Novelty could be one of the most important factors after resistance that leads to more growth.
Word Mentzers theories worked for me i tweaked them so they were a bit more like Dorians training and got amazing results.
Fatty (Dante) is a marketing genius though, he as you say basically copied HIT added some bullshit for a hook for the imbeciles out there who are too lazy to see what works for them.
How did Mike want you to rest pause? It's not the same as how Dante suggests
Okay, we have a dialogue. It seems to me that the biggest obstacle to growth is the repeated bout effect. Somehow you have to overcome that adaptation and still cause more hypertrophy. So I would question the process in the first place. When is it optimum to train the same muscle again? That is the crucial element in hypertrophy. You and others believe you need to recover to grow. Is that true and how do you know this? It is my conjecture that you should not let the muscle recover but hit it again while it is still growing. That way there is little or no repeated bout effect. If you let the muscle recover how then are you going to trigger more and more hypertrophy? I would bet that just about everyone got this process wrong and it is a huge mistake.A swimmers physique is not a bodybuilders. A throwers physique is not a bodybuilders. None of them are. They are training their body to do a repetitive action, honing a skill. Bodybuilding is different. To quote Charles Gaines, "Bodybuilding is athletic training for artistic competition". You can hone your skills in the gym, allowing you to get the most out of a workout. You can hone your posing skills, learning how to make yourelf look as good as possible. You can train your muscles to endure flexing and posing for long periods of time, because it is a repetitive action. Our bodies are always seeking equilibrium. If you repeat an action everyday, then your body will adapt to best be able to handle that. But sports coaches don't have their athlete's do intense practices the night before a game. Fatigue is a very real thing. The body needs rest to recover, to heal itself. Powerlifters don't train everyday. They have learned, through trial and error, that they need time to let their bodies rest and recuperate, time to heal and grow stronger. Bodybuilders know that you can overtrain. There comes a time when the muscle no longer responds, no longer gets a pump or grows. It has adapted to the activity, learning how to most efficiently perfomr the exercise while expending the least amount of energy possible. Which is what you want in an athletic competition, to do the most with the least amount of effort. It is because of that adaptability of the body that bodybuilders change exercises, change routines, change weights and anything else they can think of. Muscles grow because you challenge them and get as much effort as you can out of them.
For example, how do we explain swimmers, throwers, runners and weight lifters all training daily and still making progress? How is that possible? How can anyone swim twice a day and improve? Where is the recovery? So these athletes must know something that bodybuilders don't know. Perhaps bodybuilders would train athletes with more rest periods and days off but that is not what we find works. Well, I don't know of anyone who trains only twice a week and holds world records in running or swimming.
ya, mentzer said about 10-15 seconds, dante says 15 deep breaths.
wow, where does dante come up with these groundbreaking variations that he calls "his". hhahahahaha
natural al, re-read Your MA's post.
Dante is word for word tweaked HIT training that ANYONE with any common sense could've figured out on their own.
Want to know how to eat, just read a couple of TA's threads, it's not rocket science and most of these fat ass bodybuilders over eat, and they over eat with protein
Dante's got a good scam going no 2 ways about it. Most people just don't have the balls to rip off someone else's work, pass it as their own and then charge $500.
metzer's way of rping was way more different than you're saying here. He basically had you load up the bar with as much weight as you could handle rep, rack, rest rep again, rest....fail, lower the weight and start over. Not really the same thing.
what's my MA's post? I honestly don't know what you mean....like I said I've got alot going on so I'm a little scatterbrained right now...I really don't have the energy to get into a big debate, you sound like you have your mind made up and that's fine. Go ahead and do what TA tells you to do, it's not like his stuff he's saying is all that different than ellington darden said about 20 years ago...or metzer for that fact with the whole a calorie is a calorie....
It may have been lost in the shuffle but TA's way is just the way it was before supplement company's and drug user started brainwashing everybody for financial gain. He'll admit that.
Sorry to break this to you, but at least 90% of the juicers on mayhem would be under 200 pounds if they stopped with their gear use.??? ???
Any juicer on here doesn't believe me? THEN JUST FUCKING DO IT AND WATCH YOURSELF SHRINK TO NOTHING. In the meantime stop acting like you are genetically superior.
??? ???of course you are. ::)
im 250 pounds naturally.
of course you are. ::)yes i am but im tall to. 190 cm.
yes i am but im tall to. 190 cm.
I think they will feel a distinct fascial stretch in their anal sphincters as they are gang banged by the TRUTH
I`m serious.
Trust me. I have done the traditional thing for years and you know what.
It is all lies,myths and nonsense fueled by hysteria and rarely any science.
Simply put, Ice Cream/Frozen Yogurt has a higher nutrient content and mineral content and lower GI than Oatmeal and Brown Rice.
It barely even registers an insulin response. Brown Rice And oatmeal are far less nutritional and will cause blood sugar levels rise way way more.
Add that to the fact that new studies have proven that Dairy products specifically release fat stored in the abdominal region.
You can look this shit up yourself or you can just listen.
Now tell me I am wrong. hahhahah
adonis can you point me at a summary of the principles?
adonis can you point me at a summary of the principles?
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so the 1 rule is just 1800 calories a day?
They are stuck eating Rinsed, unsalted ground beef by the lb and drinking Olive oil with carb cutoffs,
While we are eating Ice Cream,Pizza and Hamburgers and Peanut butter and jelly sandwhiches and laughing all the way.
hahahahahahahahahahah