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Are Liberals truly offended by Foley?
« on: October 02, 2006, 06:14:48 PM »
RUSH: I have to admit, my friends, I'm a little confused about certain aspects of the situation here involving Mark Foley and the page. Now, the school system, the public school system has since the late eighties been teaching us that kids are going to have sex, we can't stop 'em, it's not our business to stop 'em. I mean, we've gone so far as teaching them to use condoms with bananas, or in some cases peanuts, cucumbers, but peanuts, too. You have to give them all life possibilities out there. And we had parents out on Long Island who are inviting their kids to have their boyfriend or girlfriend spend the night at the house because it would be cleaner and safer than if they were conjugating in the back seat of the family sedan. They went so far as to say we might even put a pack of cigarettes on the nightstand so that you can have a smoke after you have sex. Now I realize that that's sex among teenagers, but the public education sex ed. program does not say that it's wrong. You start talking abstinence to them, and they go nuts. Yeah, easy for you to say. We can't stop these kids, so we gave 'em condoms to encourage the risky behavior.

Now, the liberals also tell us that sex and gender issues are just lifestyles, not choices. Maybe choices in the case of sex changes like the chopadickoffame and the adadictomy, but these are just lifestyle things, gender and so forth, we're not to condemn. Any two people can love each other, any four people can love each other. You can define your family however you want, including your animal or animals. This we have been taught by the tolerant left among us. Kids can have sex, too. Not with somebody just in their age-group, alternative lifestyles, but not if the person is sexually active but younger, apparently. So we find here that there are limits. There are things that will offend liberals. Or are there? Because I continue to ask, are they really offended by this? How many of them wish they were in on the action?


Gary Studds's person was 17 years old, Barney Frank, Stephen Gobie was running a little male prostitution ring out of Barney's basement, and Barney didn't know about it, he said. He arranged, I think he got 33 parking tickets fixed so that the visitors could park right there in front of Barney's pad. But I don't believe that they find what Foley did repugnant. They have defended it too often when it has been discovered to have taken place amongst their ranks. Look it, if they want to play the hypocrisy game, which they are doing, and that's what they think is the strong suit that they have, sort of like the ace-in-the-hole, then we can play the hypocrisy game as well here on the EIB Network.

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Re: Are Liberals truly offended by Foley?
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2006, 06:20:08 PM »
Anyone who says they're "offended" by it is just being a whiny bitch.
You can be disgusted.  You can correctly argue the man doesn't have the ethics to work in public office or work with underage pages.  And you can say that the Republican party's overlooking it is a violation of the rules, and resulted in condoning illegal behavior.
But "offended" implies they're just being bitchy and whiny.


Joe, one thing hat stands out on that Rush piece- he's attacking the messenger and not the message.  he's crapping on liberals.  But liberals aren't the story all over the news.  The story all over the news is Foley's misconduct and Rep Haskert's ability to simply forget he was told about it.

Has rush made a statement on these two things?  I would respect him greatly if he called for a full investigation and was upset about haskert forgetting he was ever told about it.

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Re: Are Liberals truly offended by Foley?
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2006, 06:23:05 PM »
then we can play the hypocrisy game as well here on the EIB Network.

Isn't that what Rush is known for... playing the hypocrisy game?  ::)

Bottom line is the perv was sexually harassing and preying on underage school boys and the GOP were covering it up for over 5 years!
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Re: Are Liberals truly offended by Foley?
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2006, 06:33:32 PM »
  I would respect him greatly if he called for a full investigation and was upset about haskert forgetting he was ever told about it.

Considering what he does for a living, why would he call for that? He's not in the House. You do realize that he and Hannity have the biggest listening audiance in radio and that said, they have the power to help move votes to the Right.

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Re: Are Liberals truly offended by Foley?
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2006, 07:06:12 PM »
Isn't that what Rush is known for... playing the hypocrisy game?  ::)

Bottom line is the perv was sexually harassing and preying on underage school boys and the GOP were covering it up for over 5 years!

For 5 years? The kid was 16, are you trying to tell he that he started as a page when he was 11?

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Re: Are Liberals truly offended by Foley?
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2006, 07:12:21 PM »
For 5 years? The kid was 16, are you trying to tell he that he started as a page when he was 11?

He had an incident with another kid in 2001, i think

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Re: Are Liberals truly offended by Foley?
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2006, 07:14:03 PM »
Considering what he does for a living, why would he call for that? He's not in the House. You do realize that he and Hannity have the biggest listening audiance in radio and that said, they have the power to help move votes to the Right.

What is Rush's goal?

Is he a voice of the people, eager to do the right thing and make the world a better place?
Or is his purpose to convert people to the republican party?

I was under the impression that Rush (who I used to listen to a lot) was all about making the US a better country. 

Is he condoning the coverup in order to keep votes?

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Re: Are Liberals truly offended by Foley?
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2006, 08:37:46 PM »
Is he condoning the coverup in order to keep votes?

And if he is, how the hell can ANY parent listen to a man who is A-OK with a grown man in office having an online jackoff session with an uncomfortable 16-year old, regardless of the party?


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Re: Are Liberals truly offended by Foley?
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2006, 10:20:15 PM »
What is Rush's goal?

Is he a voice of the people, eager to do the right thing and make the world a better place?
Or is his purpose to convert people to the republican party?

I was under the impression that Rush (who I used to listen to a lot) was all about making the US a better country. 

Is he condoning the coverup in order to keep votes?

of course he doesn't condone it, he's pointing out the hipocracy of the democratic party. They didn't distance themselves from Barney Frank and the other guys when he had his prostitution ring but they want Foleys head and job on a silver platter for hitting on a 16 year (and he should be shot, but it's like the kid didn't know better, he's 16 not 6). I seriously don't think this would be as big of an issue if it wasn't so close to the elections, but we had Republican who screwed up and it's going to cost us a seat!

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Re: Are Liberals truly offended by Foley?
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2006, 10:35:55 PM »
of course he doesn't condone it, he's pointing out the hipocracy of the democratic party. They didn't distance themselves from Barney Frank and the other guys when he had his prostitution ring but they want Foleys head and job on a silver platter for hitting on a 16 year (and he should be shot, but it's like the kid didn't know better, he's 16 not 6). I seriously don't think this would be as big of an issue if it wasn't so close to the elections, but we had Republican who screwed up and it's going to cost us a seat!

I agree the Dems who covered it up should be exposed and prosecuted and removed if at all possible.

I do think there is a huge difference between two adults having sex with money changing hands, and an adult in a position of power having cybersex with a minor.  54 and the boss, messing with 16 and employed in govt... i mean, that kid will never be able to work in govt again at the national level, as it'll inevitably leak.


What was the result of the Frank fiasco?  I hope the dems who covered it up were nailed and I am sure Rush called for it then.  Likewise, I hope the repubs who covered for Foley are nailed publicly, and I think it's irresponsible for Rush not to call for it.

If he is going to apply the law on one side, he needs to apply it to the other side.  He has a voice that many listen to (I listened to him for years before I moved). 

If Rush wants to remain a leader - someone whom we listen to and respect, he shouldn't apply a double scandard.  if he calls for one to be investigated, he can't downlplay the other.

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Re: Are Liberals truly offended by Foley?
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2006, 10:57:12 PM »
Look at the mental giant known as Mr. Intenseone try and deflect attention away from his beloved party and direct it onto his hated enemy the "Liberals".  ::)

You seriously need a new hobby because bashing liberals while your party flops, flounders and fails miserably isn't helping your cause.

Nothing in the world worse than a zealot and right wing zealots are as bad as it gets.

I'm curious, when you're pounding your wife/girlfriend/hooker from behind do you fantasize that it's actually some perverse amalgamation of Limbaugh/Bush that you're pushing your seed into? Or are you so wrapped up in hating liberals that sex would take too much of your focus away from your true purpose in life, namely being a moronic right wing zealot?

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Re: Are Liberals truly offended by Foley?
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2006, 11:00:55 PM »
Look at the mental giant known as Mr. Intenseone try and deflect attention away from his beloved party and direct it onto his hated enemy the "Liberals".  ::)

You seriously need a new hobby because bashing liberals while your party flops, flounders and fails miserably isn't helping your cause.

Nothing in the world worse than a zealot and right wing zealots are as bad as it gets.

I'm curious, when you're pounding your wife/girlfriend/hooker from behind do you fantasize that it's actually some perverse amalgamation of Limbaugh/Bush that you're pushing your seed into? Or are you so wrapped up in hating liberals that sex would take too much of your focus away from your true purpose in life, namely being a moronic right wing zealot?

Nice Liberal spin.....now leave before I call security!

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Re: Are Liberals truly offended by Foley?
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2006, 11:02:20 PM »
Nice Liberal spin.....now leave before I call security!

Too bad I'm not a liberal, genius. Tragically left wing liberals are almost as bad as you are, almost but not quite.

Think about it this way Einstein, as bad as that moron jaguarenterprises is you're even worse. At least she's a foolish Canadian. How does it feel to know you're on her level?

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Re: Are Liberals truly offended by Foley?
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2006, 11:06:48 PM »
Too bad I'm not a liberal, genius. Tragically left wing liberals are almost as bad as you are, almost but not quite.

Why is it when someone calls someone else a Liberal they're offended?

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Re: Are Liberals truly offended by Foley?
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2006, 11:12:50 PM »
Why is it when someone calls someone else a Liberal they're offended?

Why is it that you have the intellectual capacity of a sixth grader?

I'll say this again for the millionth time, this country works best with a combination of conservative and liberal policies. As in both parties. I know this is beyond your scope of comprehension but leave it to the adults to figure out. You just go off with jaguar and amuse yourselves with a game of Go Fish.

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Re: Are Liberals truly offended by Foley?
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2006, 12:02:56 AM »
What does this Foley thing have to do with the Democrats?

Or with the Republicans, for that matter?

Did anyone try to cover it up?

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Re: Are Liberals truly offended by Foley?
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2006, 12:19:47 AM »
Did anyone try to cover it up?

Yes. Several repubs were told, and did nothing. men in authority overseeing foley, their duty being to blow the whistle when told.

alexander went to reynolds and haskert with details about Foley.. neither man did anything.  haskert said that he "doesn't recall" being told. I don't know what reynold is saying.

they didn't want it to screw up the election in the fall.  they put their own party's election probabilities ahead of the welfare of children around foley.


"doesn't recall" doesn't cut it.  You don't hear something as groundbreaking as gay child molestation right before an election and not take notice. Haskert = fucking liar. This isn't liberal talk, it's common sense talk.

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Re: Are Liberals truly offended by Foley?
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FINDERS AND THE CIA CONNECTION? ARE THE CIA INVOLVED IN CHILD ABDUCTION?


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*The Washington Post*
Saturday February 7, 1987
*Officials Describe 'Cult Rituals' in Child Abuse Case Photos of Youngsters Seized At D.C. Warehouse, Probers Say

Authorities investigating the alleged abuse of six children found with two men in a Tallahassee, Fla., park discovered material yesterday in the Washington area that they say points to a 1960's style commune called the Finders, described in a court document as a "cult" that allegedly conducted "brainwashing" and used children "in rituals."

D. C. police, who searched a Northeast Washington warehouse linked to the group removed large plastic bags filled with color slides, photographs and photographic contact sheets. Some photos visible through a bag carried from the warehouse at 1307 Fourth St. NE were wallet-sized pictures of children, similar to school photos, and some were of naked children.

D.C. police sources said some of the items seized yesterday showed pictures of children engaged in what appeared to be "cult rituals." Officials of the U.S. Customs Service, called in to aid in the investigation, said that the material seized yesterday includes photos showing children involved in bloodletting ceremonies of animals and one photograph of a child in chains.

Customs officials said they were looking into whether a child pornography operation was being conducted.

According to court documents, computers and software were seized from the warehouse, from a Glover Park apartment building and from a van that was recovered in Tallahassee along with the children.

Yesterday's disclosures about the mysterious group grew out of an investigation that was set in motion Wednesday by an anonymous call to Tallahassee police about two "well-dressed men" who were "supervising" six dishevelled children in a neighborhood park. The men were arrested and charged with child abuse, according to Tallahassee police.

Their links to the D.C. area have led authorities into a far-reaching investigation that includes the Finders - a group of about 40 people that court documents allege is led by a man named Marion Pettie - and their various homes, including the duplex apartment building in Glover Park, the Northeast Washington warehouse and a 90 acre farm in rural Madison County, Va.

Tallahassee police, who arrested and charged men identified as Douglas E. Ammerman and Michael Houlihan with child abuse, contacted D.C. police Thursday in an attempt to establish the identities of the children. They learned that D.C. police had heard of the Finders group, according to Tallahassee police spokesman Scott Hunt. No other member of the group had been located last night, police sources said.

According to U.S. District Court records in Washington, a confidential police source had previously told authorities that the Finders were "a cult" that conducted "brainwashing" techniques at the warehouse and the Glover Park duplex at 3918 20W. St. NW. This source told of being recruited by the Finders with promises of "financial reward and sexual gratification" and of being invited by one member to "explore" satanism with them, according to the documents.

According to the affidavit the source told authorities that children were used in "rituals" by the members, and though the source had never witnessed abuse of the children, the source said the children's grandparents feared for their safety.

On Dec. 15, a D.C. police detective observed a clearing in the area of the 3900 block W. St. NW where "several round stones had been gathered" near a circle, as well as evidence that people had gathered there, according to the document, which stated that "this practice is sometimes used in satanic rituals."

Armed with that information and the report from Talahassee police of the allegedly abused children, D.C. police sought search warrants for the Glover Park residence and the warehouse.

Meanwhile, authorities in Florida attempted to learn more about the six small children, described by a police spokesman as "hungry and..pretty pathetic" who had set the investigation in motion.

The children, identified in a court document only by the first names of Honeybee, John Franklin, Bee Bee, Max and Mary, were described as "dirty unkept, hungry, disturbed and agitated". They had been living in the rear of the van for some time, the document said. Yesterday, police spokesman Hunt said one of the children, a 6 yr. old girl "showed signs of sexual abuse" but that an examination by a local doctor showed none of the children as being ill.

Five of the children were uncommunicative, according to police, and none seemed to recognize objects such as typewriters and staplers. However, the oldest was able to give investigators some information. She said that the two men "were their teachers," according to Hunt. She was not sure where they had been recently or where they were going. But until recently, they had been living in the District in "a house with other children and adults." They lived mainly on a diet of raw fruit and vegetables, she said.

The girl told the police that while they were in the District, the children received instruction from "a man they called a Game Caller or a Game Leader," according to Hunt.

According to the D.C. court document, a Tallahassee police investigator identified this man as Marion Pettie, who the confidential police source "also identified as the Stroller, leader of this 'cult.'" The children have been placed in emergency shelters in Tallahassee, according to Merril Moody of the Florida Department of Health and Rehabilitative Services. He said officials were trying to identify them.

Neighbors of the W Street house last night identified the photographs of two of the children as residents of the house. Before their arrests in the park, Ammerman and Houlihan had told police that they were teachers from Washington "transporting these children to Mexico and a school for brilliant children," according to Hunt. When police asked the men where the children's mothers where they said they were being weaned from their mothers.

Yesterday, U.S. Attorney Joseph E. diGenova said that authorities were investigating "the crime of kidnapping" but that the investigation "is not limited to that as the evidence evolves."

George Wisnowsky, spokesman for the FBI in Jacksonville, said the FBI was "checking the transportation of children across state lines for immoral purposes or kidnapping."

Authorities in Florida, who searched the van, found 20 floppy computer discs and a device Hunt said could be used to hook into a computer in another location by telephone. He said D.C. police have obtained evidence that a computer linked to the group received a call from Tallahassee late this week.

Meanwhile, authorities in Washington were busy searching the warehouse and the Glover Park residence, side-by-side brick apartment buildings that, according to neighbors, stood out in the neighborhood because of a hot tub and satellite dish on the roof. Only women and children lived there, though men visited regularly, according to neighbors.

One woman from the neighborhood said the children from the house were "easy to spot because they were so dirty," adding that adults with them "seemed not to care." She said the group from the house reminded her of "leftover hippies." But another neighbor, college professor John Matthews, who said he had lived at 3918 W St. for a short time while looking for an apartment, said the residents were "a close-knit group" of feminists who liked to help people and were not a cult. "The neighborhood talks about them because of their life style," Matthews said.

The Fourth Street warehouse, which authorities said also was used as a residence, had windows that were boarded shut. One wall was covered with a huge map of the world, lit by floodlights. Upstairs, mattresses were flung on the floors of various rooms.

Staff writers Joseph E. Bouchard, Ed Bruske, Mary Thonton, John Harris and Linda Wheeler contributed to this report.




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(Seven years later...)

*U.S. News & World Report*,
Dec. 27, 1993/Jan 3. 1994

Through a glass, very darkly Cops, spies and a very odd investigation

The case is almost seven years old now, but matters surrounding a mysterious group known as the Finders keep growing curiouser and curiouser.

In early February 1987, an anonymous tipster in Tallahasse, Fla, made a phone call to police. Two "well dressed men" seemed to be "supervising" six dishevelled and hungry children in a local park, the caller said. The cops went after the case like bloodhounds, at least at first. The two men were identified as members of the Finders. They were charged with child abuse in Florida. In Washington, D.C. police and U.S. Customs Service agents raided a duplex apartment building and a warehouse connected to the group. Among the evidence seized - detailed instructions on obtaining children for unknown purposes and several photographs of nude children.

According to a Customs Service memorandum obtained by U.S. News, one photo appeared "to accent the child's genitals". The more the police learned about the Finders, the more bizarre they seemed: There were suggestions of child abuse, Satanism, dealing in pornography and ritualistic animal slaughter.

None of the allegations was ever proved, however. The child abuse charges against the two men in Tallahassee were dropped; all six of the children were eventually returned to their mothers, though in the case of two, conditions were attached by a court. In Washington, D.C. police began backing away from the Finders investigation. The groups practices, the police said, were eccentric - not illegal.

QUESTIONS. Today, things appear to have changed yet again. The Justice Department has begun a new investigation into the Finders and into the group's activities. It is also reviewing the 1987 investigation into the group to determine whether that probe was closed improperly. Justice officials will not elaborate, except to say the investigation is "ongoing" and that it involves "unresolved matters" in relation to the Finders.

One of the unresolved questions involves allegations that the Finders are somehow linked to the Central Intelligence Agency. Custom Service documents reveal that in 1987, when Customs agents sought to examine the evidence gathered by Washington, D.C. police, they were told that the Finders investigation "had become an internal matter."

The police report on the case had been classified secret. Even now, Tallahassee police complain about the handling of the Finders investigation by D.C. police. "They dropped this case, one Tallahasse investigator says, "like a hot rock." D.C. police will not comment on the matter. As for the CIA, ranking officials describe allegation about links between the intelligence agency and the Finders as "hogwash" perhaps the result of a simple mix up with D.C. police. The only connection, according to the CIA: A firm that provided computer training to CIA officers also employed several members of the Finders.

The many unanswered questions about the Finders case now have Democratic Rep. Charlie Rose of North Carolina, chairman of the House Administration Committee, and Florida's Rep. Tom Lewis, a Republican, more than a little exercised. "Could our own government have something to do with this Finders organization and turned their backs on these children? That's what all the evidence points to," says Lewis. "And there is a lot of evidence. I can tell you this: We've got a lot of people scrambling, and that wouldn't be happening if there was nothing here."

Perhaps. But the Finders say there is nothing there - at least nothing illegal. The Finders have never been involved in child abuse, pornography, Satanism, animal slaughter or anything of the kind, says the group's leader, Marion David Pettie. Pettie, too, says the group has never been connected to the CIA. In an interview with U.S. News, Pettie described the Finders as a communal, holistic-living and learning arrangement. The group numbers some 20 members, Pettie says; they do freelance journalism, research and "competitor intelligence" for a variety of mostly foreign clients. The Finders work for no foreign governments, Pettie says. Their duplex, in a residential Northwest Washington neighborhood, is decorated with global maps and bulletin boards. Residents in Culpepper, Va., 90 minutes from Washington, say the Finders operated an office there, too, from time to time. That office contained computer terminals and clocks reflecting different time zones from around the world.

CIA officials say they referred all matters concerning the Finders and the police investigation to the FBI's Foreign Counterintelligence Division. FBI officials will not comment. Law enforcement sources say some of the Finders are listed in the FBI's classified counterintelligence files.

None of this fazes Pettie. He says the CIA's interest in the Finders may stem from the fact that his late wife once worked for the agency and that his son worked for a CIA proprietary firm, Air America. Overall, says Pettie, "we're a zero security threat. When you don't do much of anything, and you don't explain, people start rumors about you." To judge from the latest case, some of the rumors can last an awfully long time.

By Gordon Witkin and Peter Cary with Ancel Martinez
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Re: Are Liberals truly offended by Foley?
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2006, 04:06:19 AM »
we're now hearing that Repubs knew about the sexually suggestive emails a year ago.

I can't think of any excuse as to why these men would keep quiet.

Haskert may now have to resign, as it's becoming clear to everything that he knew and has now lied to American about it. They could have booted his ass last year, this would all be forgotten, the new guy would have re-won office, no problem, as repubs have always had that seat.

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Re: Are Liberals truly offended by Foley?
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2006, 05:46:12 AM »


Haskert may now have to resign.

I heard that this morning the Dems are calling for his resignation and I almost threw up......gimme a freaking break!!

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Re: Are Liberals truly offended by Foley?
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2006, 06:33:26 AM »
I heard that this morning the Dems are calling for his resignation and I almost threw up......gimme a freaking break!!

He knew a year ago that Foley was doing this.
He did nothing.  He let Foley keep working with kids, and strangely, took a 100,000 donation from Foley right afterwards he was told. Hmmm?

Probably worse is that he stood in front of Congress yesterday and said he "didn't remember being told" about it a year ago.

This is an F'n bombshell.  I am quite sure he didn't flippantly forgot.  He was either derilect in his duties, or he is lying.  Or is there a third option?

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Re: Are Liberals truly offended by Foley?
« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2006, 06:54:32 AM »
I'm up early and feel like arguing today :)

Anyone wanna defend Hastert?

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Re: Are Liberals truly offended by Foley?
« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2006, 07:06:21 AM »
I'm up early and feel like arguing today :)

Anyone wanna defend Hastert?

I'm too tired to argue this morning!

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Re: Are Liberals truly offended by Foley?
« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2006, 07:13:35 AM »
lol... okay.  well, if anyone else is feeling feisty, I got caught up on this case.

Hastert was told, received 100,000 donation to the party from Foley's re=election campaign, then forgot that he was told.

It was hastert's job to investigate these charges.  He did not.  Foley was allowed to continue working with children and leading the child committee.

I cannot possibly think of a defense for hastert's behavior.  can anyone?  What possible reason could he have for covering up/ failing to act when it was his job?  And the very odd timing of a $100,000 donation...

Hastert should resign.  At the very least, he:
1) Didn't do his job (investigate)
2) Didn't alert anyone (ethics violation)
3) maybe took bribe money in exchange for silence
4) Lied to congress and the American people (I don't remember being told)
5) was complicit in putting children at risk.

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Re: Are Liberals truly offended by Foley?
« Reply #24 on: November 17, 2006, 07:48:49 PM »
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