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Title: Is this the toughest schedule you have ever seen?
Post by: body88 on March 12, 2010, 02:59:59 PM
TBD TBD vs Bengals  :o    
TBD TBD vs Bills    
TBD TBD vs Colts    :o
TBD TBD vs Dolphins    >:( 
TBD TBD vs Jets     :o
TBD TBD vs Packers    :o
TBD TBD vs Ravens   :o 
TBD TBD vs Vikings    :o 
TBD TBD @ Bears    
TBD TBD @ Bills    
TBD TBD @ Dolphins   >:(      
TBD TBD @ Lions    
TBD TBD @ Steelers    :o
TBD TBD @ Jets   :o
TBD TBD @ Browns    
TBD TBD @ Chargers  :o
Title: Re: Is this the toughest schedule you have ever seen?
Post by: Earl1972 on March 12, 2010, 03:21:38 PM
nope

2008 steeler schedule

afc south, nfc east, and games against the chargers and pats

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Title: Re: Is this the toughest schedule you have ever seen?
Post by: Dos Equis on March 12, 2010, 03:30:00 PM
Nah.  I'm not a believer in "strenghth of schedule," till after the season.  You never how teams are going to play during the upcoming season. 
Title: Re: Is this the toughest schedule you have ever seen?
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on March 16, 2010, 08:51:59 AM
I agree. Strength of schedule really doesn't hold much weight in today's NFL. Every team has talent and every team can beat you on any given Sunday. It comes to down to play calling, execution, and luck with injuries over the course of the regular season. IMO.
Title: Re: Is this the toughest schedule you have ever seen?
Post by: regmac on March 16, 2010, 12:07:15 PM
TBD TBD vs Bengals  :o    
TBD TBD vs Bills    
TBD TBD vs Colts    :o
TBD TBD vs Dolphins    >:( 
TBD TBD vs Jets     :o
TBD TBD vs Packers    :o
TBD TBD vs Ravens   :o 
TBD TBD vs Vikings    :o 
TBD TBD @ Bears    
TBD TBD @ Bills    
TBD TBD @ Dolphins   >:(      
TBD TBD @ Lions    
TBD TBD @ Steelers    :o
TBD TBD @ Jets   :o
TBD TBD @ Browns    
TBD TBD @ Chargers  :o

Too ez for Dallas!!!!   We'd go 19-0
Title: Re: Is this the toughest schedule you have ever seen?
Post by: body88 on March 16, 2010, 12:56:07 PM
Too ez for Dallas!!!!   We'd go 19-0

Or 10-6.
Title: Re: Is this the toughest schedule you have ever seen?
Post by: body88 on March 16, 2010, 01:03:34 PM
Nah.  I'm not a believer in "strenghth of schedule," till after the season.  You never how teams are going to play during the upcoming season.  

You're right. Judging by the information we have in front of us right now, barring how things might play out, would you rank said schedule as the toughest you've ever seen? I would.
Title: Re: Is this the toughest schedule you have ever seen?
Post by: body88 on March 16, 2010, 01:05:04 PM
I agree. Strength of schedule really doesn't hold much weight in today's NFL. Every team has talent and every team can beat you on any given Sunday. It comes to down to play calling, execution, and luck with injuries over the course of the regular season. IMO.

Hey buddy. If it's not to much trouble, review the post above and let me know what you think.
Title: Re: Is this the toughest schedule you have ever seen?
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on March 16, 2010, 01:57:06 PM
No trouble at all.

It looks like a brutal schedule on paper. But any one of those teams could suffer a huge falloff in 2010. It's about time the Pats played a tougher schedule anyway.  ;D
Title: Re: Is this the toughest schedule you have ever seen?
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on March 16, 2010, 02:03:40 PM
TBD TBD vs Bengals  :o    
TBD TBD vs Bills    
TBD TBD vs Colts    :o
TBD TBD vs Dolphins    >:( 
TBD TBD vs Jets     :o
TBD TBD vs Packers    :o
TBD TBD vs Ravens   :o 
TBD TBD vs Vikings    :o 
TBD TBD @ Bears    
TBD TBD @ Bills    
TBD TBD @ Dolphins   >:(      
TBD TBD @ Lions    
TBD TBD @ Steelers    :o
TBD TBD @ Jets   :o
TBD TBD @ Browns    
TBD TBD @ Chargers  :o


Actually, this would be the toughest schedule I've ever seen:

TBD vs Ravens
TBD vs Ravens
TBD vs Ravens
TBD vs Ravens
TBD vs Ravens
TBD vs Ravens
TBD vs Ravens
TBD vs Ravens
TBD @ Ravens
TBD @ Ravens
TBD @ Ravens
TBD @ Ravens
TBD @ Ravens
TBD @ Ravens
TBD @ Ravens
TBD @ Ravens


 ;D
Title: Re: Is this the toughest schedule you have ever seen?
Post by: Dos Equis on March 16, 2010, 02:37:46 PM
You're right. Judging by the information we have in front of us right now, barring how things might play out, would you rank said schedule as the toughest you've ever seen? I would.

If we're basing it on last season's results, then yes it's a tough schedule.  Not sure I'd say it is the toughest I've ever seen.  I don't think the league is as good today as ten or twenty years ago.  Parity sucks. 
Title: Re: Is this the toughest schedule you have ever seen?
Post by: regmac on March 16, 2010, 03:28:57 PM
Or 10-6.
Or 12-4   Good enough
Title: Re: Is this the toughest schedule you have ever seen?
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on March 16, 2010, 05:27:27 PM
If we're basing it on last season's results, then yes it's a tough schedule.  Not sure I'd say it is the toughest I've ever seen.  I don't think the league is as good today as ten or twenty years ago.  Parity sucks.  

Strongly disagree, bro. The NFL is better than ever. The players today are light years ahead of the players in the 60's 70's, 80's, and 90's, athletically. 10-20 years ago the same 6 teams won the Superbowl every season. The NFL has no choice but to have parity, considering how much better the players are and with revenue sharing that even the small market teams receive. Free agency, too.
Title: Re: Is this the toughest schedule you have ever seen?
Post by: Earl1972 on March 16, 2010, 05:34:49 PM
If we're basing it on last season's results, then yes it's a tough schedule.  Not sure I'd say it is the toughest I've ever seen.  I don't think the league is as good today as ten or twenty years ago.  Parity sucks. 

why?

because your 49ers were winning super bowls and contending every year?

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Title: Re: Is this the toughest schedule you have ever seen?
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on March 16, 2010, 05:41:34 PM
why?

because your 49ers were winning super bowls and contending every year?

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Bingo. From 1981 to 1998, the 49ers pretty much contended every season. That's a long stretch of time.
Title: Re: Is this the toughest schedule you have ever seen?
Post by: regmac on March 16, 2010, 07:16:01 PM
Bingo. From 1981 to 1998, the 49ers pretty much contended every season. That's a long stretch of time.
Yeah the 80's were pretty much Frisco and Washington.  Dallas went dead and no where after losing the NFC's to the Eagles, 49ers and Wash.   
Title: Re: Is this the toughest schedule you have ever seen?
Post by: Dos Equis on March 17, 2010, 10:40:48 AM
Strongly disagree, bro. The NFL is better than ever. The players today are light years ahead of the players in the 60's 70's, 80's, and 90's, athletically. 10-20 years ago the same 6 teams won the Superbowl every season. The NFL has no choice but to have parity, considering how much better the players are and with revenue sharing that even the small market teams receive. Free agency, too.

You're talking about the advances in the athlete.  I agree today's athletes are bigger, stronger, and faster.  I'm talking about team quality and quality play.  Like the NBA, I think the high quality teams and exceptional team play has declined.  It's due in large part to free agency and the salary cap. 

The fact more teams can compete doesn't mean they're playing better football.  For example, there might be one or two teams from the past season that could compete with the Cowboys and Niners of the late 80s/early 90s.  We won't see teams like that anymore.
Title: Re: Is this the toughest schedule you have ever seen?
Post by: Dos Equis on March 17, 2010, 10:42:35 AM
why?

because your 49ers were winning super bowls and contending every year?

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Partly.   :)
Title: Re: Is this the toughest schedule you have ever seen?
Post by: Earl1972 on March 17, 2010, 01:28:01 PM
why do people always think that teams from the past would beat teams from today? 

for example how does jordan and pippen's bulls defend against a prime shaq or duncan?   people always seemed to be biased towards the teams they grew up with, they almost seem offended when you go against the teams from "in my day", the bulls never faced teams as good as the lakers and spurs of this decade

why won't we see teams like that anymore?  the pats won 3 super bowls and their best team went 18 -1, that 2007 team would beat anybody in history if both teams were at full strength

i don't see how anybody can think there was better football in the 80's and 90's, it was too predictable back then, not as bad as the nba but still i don't remember being surprised by any super bowl winner, aside from denver beating green bay

i don't know why anybody would want to see the same exact teams each year contending, unless it is your team and your 49ers were a contender every year hence your argument :)



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Title: Re: Is this the toughest schedule you have ever seen?
Post by: Dos Equis on March 17, 2010, 02:10:49 PM
I can't speak for anyone else, but for me, I tend to believe what I see.  The Celtics with Bird, McHale, the Chief, and DJ were as good or better as any team in the NBA today.  Same is true of the Lakers with Magic, Kareem, and Worthy.  They were more fundamentally sound.  They played better team ball.  And they had multiple Hall of Fame players on their teams.  (I hate the Celtics.)    

Regarding the NFL, it's not just about me being a Niner fan.  I absolutely hate the Cowboys.  Despite my hatred, I can see that Aikman, Smith, Irvin, Harper, Novacek, and the O-line is/was one of the greatest teams in NFL history.  Better than most of what we see today.  
Title: Re: Is this the toughest schedule you have ever seen?
Post by: Earl1972 on March 17, 2010, 02:45:28 PM
I can't speak for anyone else, but for me, I tend to believe what I see.  The Celtics with Bird, McHale, the Chief, and DJ were as good or better as any team in the NBA today.  Same is true of the Lakers with Magic, Kareem, and Worthy.  They were more fundamentally sound.  They played better team ball.  And they have multiple Hall of Fame players on their teams.  (I hate the Celtics.)   

Regarding the NFL, it's about me being a Niner fan.  I absolutely hate the Cowboys.  Despite my hatred, I can see that Aikman, Smith, Irvin, Harper, Novacek, and the O-line is/was one of the greatest teams in NFL history.  Better than most of what we see today. 

so how does having one dominant team for a few years mean the entire league is better?

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Title: Re: Is this the toughest schedule you have ever seen?
Post by: Dos Equis on March 17, 2010, 03:38:23 PM
so how does having one dominant team for a few years mean the entire league is better?

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I don't really think the entire league is better.  Because of the salary cap and free agency, there are more "good" teams in the league.  It's probably more accurate for me to say the upper echelon teams were better.  They were also more entertaining.

But this is all a matter of opinion.  Some fans like to see a lot of mediocre teams fighting it out.  I like to see loaded teams playing at the highest levels.  Doesn't have to be my favorite teams either.  That's why I hate the salary cap.       
Title: Re: Is this the toughest schedule you have ever seen?
Post by: Earl1972 on March 17, 2010, 04:02:29 PM
I don't really think the entire league is better.  Because of the salary cap and free agency, there are more "good" teams in the league.  It's probably more accurate for me to say the upper echelon teams were better.  They were also more entertaining.

But this is all a matter of opinion.  Some fans like to see a lot of mediocre teams fighting it out.  I like to see loaded teams playing at the highest levels.  Doesn't have to be my favorite teams either.  That's why I hate the salary cap.       

more entertaining how?  the ball is thrown much more today, you thought running the ball was more entertaining?  you thought 50 - 10 super bowl scores were entertaining?  more entertaining personalities?   

how were there more "loaded" teams?  two teams won multiple super bowls this decade, two teams won multiple super bowls in the 90's, i think 2 did in the 80's
 
i think there's a lot less bad teams nowadays, i don't see how that is a negative

i just think the 49ers lack of success today is clouding your judgment, you didn't notice that most teams and fans realized they had no chance when the season started in the 80's and 90's

people have this bad habit of thinking the past was the "good ol days" but as a 49ers fan it's understandable :)

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Title: Re: Is this the toughest schedule you have ever seen?
Post by: Dos Equis on March 17, 2010, 05:57:29 PM
more entertaining how?  the ball is thrown much more today, you thought running the ball was more entertaining?  you thought 50 - 10 super bowl scores were entertaining?  more entertaining personalities?   

how were there more "loaded" teams?  two teams won multiple super bowls this decade, two teams won multiple super bowls in the 90's, i think 2 did in the 80's
 
i think there's a lot less bad teams nowadays, i don't see how that is a negative

i just think the 49ers lack of success today is clouding your judgment, you didn't notice that most teams and fans realized they had no chance when the season started in the 80's and 90's

people have this bad habit of thinking the past was the "good ol days" but as a 49ers fan it's understandable :)

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lol.  You really want it to be true.   :)   I can't help you there.  All I can do is give you my opinion.  Spin it however you choose. 

Regarding your questions, throwing the ball doesn't make a game entertaining to me.  Seeing terrific athletes perform as a team at the highest level is entertaining to me.  That's why I could appreciate a fullback like Moose, even though I hated him.  That's why watching Montana was so nice.  He was the best QB to ever play the game IMO.  Seeing him and the greatest WR to ever play (Rice) play together was incredibliy entertaining.  Just like it was entertaining to watch the Dallas offense play at its highest level. 

Like I said, I don't really care to see fewer bad teams, or more average teams battling each other.  Just a personal preference. 
Title: Re: Is this the toughest schedule you have ever seen?
Post by: regmac on March 17, 2010, 06:46:50 PM
I wish the schedule was out   yet   or at least the preseason schedule. The NFL spends all this time at some dumb meeting babbling about satuff and usually my owner or Al Davis says something to piss everyone off. All this takes place before they decide on :who plays who when?  I need to know so I can make my travel plans early.   
Title: Re: Is this the toughest schedule you have ever seen?
Post by: Earl1972 on March 17, 2010, 06:51:41 PM
lol.  You really want it to be true.   :)   I can't help you there.  All I can do is give you my opinion.  Spin it however you choose. 

Regarding your questions, throwing the ball doesn't make a game entertaining to me.  Seeing terrific athletes perform as a team at the highest level is entertaining to me.  That's why I could appreciate a fullback like Moose, even though I hated him.  That's why watching Montana was so nice.  He was the best QB to ever play the game IMO.  Seeing him and the greatest WR to ever play (Rice) play together was incredibliy entertaining.  Just like it was entertaining to watch the Dallas offense play at its highest level. 

Like I said, I don't really care to see fewer bad teams, or more average teams battling each other.  Just a personal preference. 

what was so special about moose, he would've been forgotten if not for playing on a super bowl team

there have been a few offenses better than those cowboys

the rams during their time, the 07 pats etc

stop dwelling on the past :P

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Title: Re: Is this the toughest schedule you have ever seen?
Post by: Dos Equis on March 17, 2010, 07:56:45 PM
what was so special about moose, he would've been forgotten if not for playing on a super bowl team

there have been a few offenses better than those cowboys

the rams during their time, the 07 pats etc

stop dwelling on the past :P

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Moose was special because he was an outstanding fullback and contributed to a lot of Smith's and Aikman's production. 

The greatest show on turf was pretty impressive for a couple years.  The 07 Pats were awesome. 

I'm not dwelling.  Just talking about it.   :)
Title: Re: Is this the toughest schedule you have ever seen?
Post by: regmac on March 17, 2010, 08:06:24 PM
Moose was special because he was an outstanding fullback and contributed to a lot of Smith's and Aikman's production. 

The greatest show on turf was pretty impressive for a couple years.  The 07 Pats were awesome. 

I'm not dwelling.  Just talking about it.   :)
Yeah  Dallas hasn't had a MOOSE in years.  The current FB Deon Anderson   usually misses blocks so Witten has to lead block.
Title: Re: Is this the toughest schedule you have ever seen?
Post by: Dos Equis on March 17, 2010, 08:11:27 PM
Yeah  Dallas hasn't had a MOOSE in years.  The current FB Deon Anderson   usually misses blocks so Witten has to lead block.

Yep.  They don't make a lot of good fullbacks anymore.  A dying breed, especially with the use of the spread so much. 
Title: Re: Is this the toughest schedule you have ever seen?
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on March 18, 2010, 09:19:21 AM
Lorenzo Neal is the greatest FB off all time, if you ask me. He blocked for over 7 different 1000 yard rushers. A natural leader and a guy who could blow up a linebacker in the hole even as he entered his late 30's.

I really wish he could have gotten a Superbowl ring, because he deserved one. The closest he came was on the Ravens 2008 team.

Tony Richardson for the Jets is still playing at 38 and still kicking ass.
Title: Re: Is this the toughest schedule you have ever seen?
Post by: Dos Equis on March 18, 2010, 07:38:52 PM
Lorenzo Neal is the greatest FB off all time, if you ask me. He blocked for over 7 different 1000 yard rushers. A natural leader and a guy who could blow up a linebacker in the hole even as he entered his late 30's.

I really wish he could have gotten a Superbowl ring, because he deserved one. The closest he came was on the Ravens 2008 team.

Tony Richardson for the Jets is still playing at 38 and still kicking ass.

They're definitely in the conversation.  I'd put Moose, Rathman, and Strong up there too. 
Title: Re: Is this the toughest schedule you have ever seen?
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on March 19, 2010, 09:01:27 AM
Wasn't Kevin Mack (Browns) a fullback, too?
Title: Re: Is this the toughest schedule you have ever seen?
Post by: regmac on March 19, 2010, 02:12:27 PM
Lorenzo Neal is the greatest FB off all time, if you ask me. He blocked for over 7 different 1000 yard rushers. A natural leader and a guy who could blow up a linebacker in the hole even as he entered his late 30's.

I really wish he could have gotten a Superbowl ring, because he deserved one. The closest he came was on the Ravens 2008 team.

Tony Richardson for the Jets is still playing at 38 and still kicking ass.
Weaver wasn't so bad either.
Title: Re: Is this the toughest schedule you have ever seen?
Post by: regmac on March 19, 2010, 03:01:02 PM
They're definitely in the conversation.  I'd put Moose, Rathman, and Strong up there too. 
Rathman was the best ever fullback    even I'd put him an inch above Johnston