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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Training Q&A => Topic started by: untamedsense on January 14, 2008, 11:30:33 AM
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I know there's alot of good info on this board, but from what I read, unfortunately, it's only 33% of the info that's correct and/or good.
To beginners and/or those who really want help:
Take the advise here with a gain of salt! Some things will get you discouraged, hurt or just plain waste your time...
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Please give an example of someone who has given the wrong information out.
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I know there's alot of good info on this board, but from what I read, unfortunately, it's only 33% of the info that's correct and/or good.
To beginners and/or those who really want help:
Take the advise here with a gain of salt! Some things will get you discouraged, hurt or just plain waste your time...
haha 33 posts and already hating on getbig?
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Chest and guns everyday baby.
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I know there's alot of good info on this board, but from what I read, unfortunately, it's only 33% of the info that's correct and/or good.
To beginners and/or those who really want help:
Take the advise here with a gain of salt! Some things will get you discouraged, hurt or just plain waste your time...
why don't you regale us with some of your vast knowledge then Mr. Huge Bodybuilder and training expert. ::)
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What exactly is an untamedsense anyway, just curious? I mean if I had an untamed sense of smell, I'd probably kill myself from smelling shit I didn't want to necessarily smell. Or worse yet, an untamed sense of sight, my retinas would probably be instantly burned by the sun, I'd have to walk around like that guy in X-men who wears the glasses to shield his eyes.
No fun at all.
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What exactly is an untamedsense anyway, just curious? I mean if I had an untamed sense of smell, I'd probably kill myself from smelling shit I didn't want to necessarily smell. Or worse yet, an untamed sense of sight, my retinas would probably be instantly burned by the sun, I'd have to walk around like that guy in X-men who wears the glasses to shield his eyes.
No fun at all.
i love how these douchebags know everything about training yet won't let anyone know what they know or don't have a picture posted. :)
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i love how these douchebags know everything about training yet won't let anyone know what they know or don't have a picture posted. :)
I guess I hit a hot button with some "experts".
I post when I feel I have something I want to input...once I've read what other's have said and I get a feel for what is really wanted.
I don't have time to live on here when the gym is my training ground for bodybuilding...not a forum.
I don't hate on getbig at all...the whole idea behind the post was to warn beginners to be careful of the information.
If I were to name all the names and actual bad information I've read (considering who they are giving it to), no one else would have time or space to prove me correct.
My picture has nothing to do with what I know and as far as letting people know what I know...I just don't blow hot air at every subject.
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I guess I hit a hot button with some "experts".
I post when I feel I have something I want to input...once I've read what other's have said and I get a feel for what is really wanted.
I don't have time to live on here when the gym is my training ground for bodybuilding...not a forum.
I don't hate on getbig at all...the whole idea behind the post was to warn beginners to be careful of the information.
If I were to name all the names and actual bad information I've read (considering who they are giving it to), no one else would have time or space to prove me correct.
My picture has nothing to do with what I know and as far as letting people know what I know...I just don't blow hot air at every subject.
wow, you're incredible. ::)
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Not all advice will apply to everyone,but there is usually good stuff posted here.
Differing opinions on certain subjects,but for the most part,I think most advice given is usually pretty damn good.
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I guess I hit a hot button with some "experts".
I post when I feel I have something I want to input...once I've read what other's have said and I get a feel for what is really wanted.
I don't have time to live on here when the gym is my training ground for bodybuilding...not a forum.
I don't hate on getbig at all...the whole idea behind the post was to warn beginners to be careful of the information.
If I were to name all the names and actual bad information I've read (considering who they are giving it to), no one else would have time or space to prove me correct.
My picture has nothing to do with what I know and as far as letting people know what I know...I just don't blow hot air at every subject.
good stuff, so if the "gym is your training ground" you must look great, huge and ripped, let's see your picture.
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I do all my training on this site. LOL :)
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Or worse yet, an untamed sense of sight, my retinas would probably be instantly burned by the sun, I'd have to walk around like that guy in X-men who wears the glasses to shield his eyes.
No fun at all.
Actually those glasses shield everythign ELSE from his eyes. Hes got lazer eyes. 8)
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Well, we all look forward to your unlimited supply of training knowledge.
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.... from what I read, unfortunately, it's only 33% of the info that's correct and/or good.
wrong, it is closer to 38%
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wrong, it is closer to 38%
56% of all statistics are made up.
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I know there's alot of good info on this board, but from what I read, unfortunately, it's only 33% of the info that's correct and/or good.
Which 33 percent?
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I have seen very little information that would seriously hurt someone new to working out. There is a substantial amount of information that would make a newbie extremely sore and potentially discourage them from continuing to workout.
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I guess I hit a hot button with some "experts".
I post when I feel I have something I want to input...once I've read what other's have said and I get a feel for what is really wanted.
I don't have time to live on here when the gym is my training ground for bodybuilding...not a forum.
I don't hate on getbig at all...the whole idea behind the post was to warn beginners to be careful of the information.
If I were to name all the names and actual bad information I've read (considering who they are giving it to), no one else would have time or space to prove me correct.
My picture has nothing to do with what I know and as far as letting people know what I know...I just don't blow hot air at every subject. Im a piss weak 175lb monster with a tapout shirt who knows fuckall about training and look like 10lbs of shit stuffed in a 5lb bag.
Cliff notes are in bold.
Jason
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Cliff notes are in bold.
Jason
hahahhaa, he sounds like a little fagggot who curls a pair of 27.5's while standing on the wobble board.
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hahahhaa, he sounds like a little fagggot who curls a pair of 27.5's while standing on the wobble board.
Are you suggesting hes a guy who would DEMAND respect in any Curves gym he entered?
Jason
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Are you suggesting hes a guy who would DEMAND respect in any Curves gym he entered?
Jason
not even those women would respect him, they'd kick him off the adductor machine.
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still waiting for some Earth shattering training advice that will revolutionize bodybuilding forever.
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still waiting for some Earth shattering training advice that will revolutionize bodybuilding forever.
Flex magazine is what I believe you are looking for bro.
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The responces here are just classic! I wish I could man-up like you all...
Personal attacks for a "be careful" warning to newbies??? Come on!
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The responces here are just classic! I wish I could man-up like you all...
Personal attacks for a "be careful" warning to newbies??? Come on!
I'm curious, show us some "dangerous" advice that has been given out here.
If 66,6% of the posts here are bad, you should have no trouble finding something.
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I'm curious, show us some "dangerous" advice that has been given out here.
If 66,6% of the posts here are bad, you should have no trouble finding something.
Your arms grow as you grow.
Curls do not make you grow.
squats, presses, rows, pulls, and food make you grow.
When people stop and stare at you on the street because you are that jacked, when you are competing at a national level, worry about a 'bicep routine'.
Until then, you need to worry about your entire routine.
**How's this statement for dangerous? Not training the weakest link WILL cause injury...thus dangerous. Someone was asking a question and wanted REAL advise...
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I'm curious, show us some "dangerous" advice that has been given out here.
If 66,6% of the posts here are bad, you should have no trouble finding something.
If you have only been lifting for a year, you are worried far too much about details that don't matter.
Squat 500+ pounds, then worry about your chest.
**Here's another...do I really NEED to go on?
Do people not read what is written or is it SO ridiculous to all the "experts" that they think the newbies (asking for help) will understand how ridiculous the advise is and not do it?
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Your arms grow as you grow.
Curls do not make you grow.
squats, presses, rows, pulls, and food make you grow.
Popular theory from the old daze, something unproven. I got a couple of inches on arms from direct arm work, not from squats. Compound exercises might help, might not it's completely subjective.
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Your arms grow as you grow.
Curls do not make you grow.
squats, presses, rows, pulls, and food make you grow.
When people stop and stare at you on the street because you are that jacked, when you are competing at a national level, worry about a 'bicep routine'.
Until then, you need to worry about your entire routine.
**How's this statement for dangerous? Not training the weakest link WILL cause injury...thus dangerous. Someone was asking a question and wanted REAL advise...
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Arms get plenty of indirect work. For some it's enough to grow. No real risk there.
If you have only been lifting for a year, you are worried far too much about details that don't matter.
Squat 500+ pounds, then worry about your chest.
**Here's another...do I really NEED to go on?
Do people not read what is written or is it SO ridiculous to all the "experts" that they think the newbies (asking for help) will understand how ridiculous the advise is and not do it?
Lol. So you think a newbie will run to the squat bar, and gets ready for 500?
I'm not saying that every post here is gold. But a lot of good stuff on here which people can think about and try out. If a newb comes he usually gets solid advice.
Claiming "66,6%" bad posts was just rediculous of you.
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Faust you're probably correct in my percentages...
I guess what the biggest thing I have a concern with is I thought this was a Training Q&A board...and ALOT of the time it reads like a JackAss board...with smartassed answers and things that are waaaaay off base. There are other places for this type of stuff...
It's not hard for someone who is "lost" and trying to figure things out to read bad or "jackass" information and get confused or worse yet: frustrated.
I don't know it all and never will, so I don't post my opinions unless I'm pretty damn sure that what I'm saying will work for "the masses" not for what someone else does just because...plus, sometimes there has been so much crap written that good advise that I've read can get lost.
My history in the gym goes back to 1976...does that mean I'm a monster, perfect or know it all? No. And, I'm assuming that other's are the same.
I'm done with this because frankly it's just all BS by people who think the more they say the better they are...
To all the people with good information: Carry on and thanks for the good insights.
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Faust you're probably correct in my percentages...
I guess what the biggest thing I have a concern with is I thought this was a Training Q&A board...and ALOT of the time it reads like a JackAss board...with smartassed answers and things that are waaaaay off base. There are other places for this type of stuff...
It's not hard for someone who is "lost" and trying to figure things out to read bad or "jackass" information and get confused or worse yet: frustrated.
I don't know it all and never will, so I don't post my opinions unless I'm pretty damn sure that what I'm saying will work for "the masses" not for what someone else does just because...plus, sometimes there has been so much crap written that good advise that I've read can get lost.
My history in the gym goes back to 1976...does that mean I'm a monster, perfect or know it all? No. And, I'm assuming that other's are the same.
I'm done with this because frankly it's just all BS by people who think the more they say the better they are...
To all the people with good information: Carry on and thanks for the good insights.
got any pictures of yourself posted?
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got any pictures of yourself posted?
Ok Squad...I'll post a picture so you can use it when you wrap a hand around yourself!
To anticipate further questions, I'll just answer them:
No...I don't know my measurements I haven't ever put a tape to myself.
No...I've never competed and don't plan to...I love the process and don't need the competition.
I won't list weights for lifts because they don't matter as long as they work for me.
I'm 5'10", 233# (weighed in today for you Squad!) and will be 44 in March.
And, sorry Squad...I like innies and not outties so you'll have to look elsewhere! :)
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Well, like I said feel free to put your .02 in here since you think it is a horrible place. So far you've contributed nothing so let's see what you got. There are many different pieces of advice here and many people have used them with success. It seems, like someone else mentioned, that you disagree with training advice and that is fine, but it doesn't make it wrong. Squadfather swears by flat bench and Bob Chick swears by inclines. Does that make one of them wrong? Some think leg press is the way to go and others squats, who is "right"? I haven't read any legitimate posts that could be done and have injury follow.
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Faust you're probably correct in my percentages...
I guess what the biggest thing I have a concern with is I thought this was a Training Q&A board...and ALOT of the time it reads like a JackAss board...with smartassed answers and things that are waaaaay off base. There are other places for this type of stuff...
It's not hard for someone who is "lost" and trying to figure things out to read bad or "jackass" information and get confused or worse yet: frustrated.
I don't know it all and never will, so I don't post my opinions unless I'm pretty damn sure that what I'm saying will work for "the masses" not for what someone else does just because...plus, sometimes there has been so much crap written that good advise that I've read can get lost.
My history in the gym goes back to 1976...does that mean I'm a monster, perfect or know it all? No. And, I'm assuming that other's are the same.
I'm done with this because frankly it's just all BS by people who think the more they say the better they are...
To all the people with good information: Carry on and thanks for the good insights.
I get the feeling that getbig is probably not the board for you.
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Ok Squad...I'll post a picture so you can use it when you wrap a hand around yourself!
To anticipate further questions, I'll just answer them:
No...I don't know my measurements I haven't ever put a tape to myself.
No...I've never competed and don't plan to...I love the process and don't need the competition.
I won't list weights for lifts because they don't matter as long as they work for me.
I'm 5'10", 233# (weighed in today for you Squad!) and will be 44 in March.
And, sorry Squad...I like innies and not outties so you'll have to look elsewhere! :)
Epic "39 posts and The SquadFather owns my mind" meltdown
Jason
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56% of all statistics are made up.
Actually, 82% of people think that 56% of statistics are made up, but the truth is, 64% of statistics are made up.
Hope this helps...
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Your arms grow as you grow.
Curls do not make you grow.
squats, presses, rows, pulls, and food make you grow.
When people stop and stare at you on the street because you are that jacked, when you are competing at a national level, worry about a 'bicep routine'.
Until then, you need to worry about your entire routine.
**How's this statement for dangerous? Not training the weakest link WILL cause injury...thus dangerous. Someone was asking a question and wanted REAL advise...
If you think squatting, pressing and pulling are dangerous, I assume you are looking for the mall walking forum, not getbig.
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I know there's alot of good info on this board, but from what I read, unfortunately, it's only 33% of the info that's correct and/or good.
To beginners and/or those who really want help:
Take the advise here with a gain of salt! Some things will get you discouraged, hurt or just plain waste your time...
Do us all a favor and STFU. you've contributed ZERO to this board. Until you have contributed a lot of solid training info, your bitching means nothing.
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Someone was asking a question and wanted REAL advise...
It sounds as if most of the people in this thread are asking exactly how and why you are qualified to be so critical of so many while offering no retort or constructive contribution of any kind to this thread.
True, not all information here is good.
But when you start running your mouth the way you are, you’d better be prepared to back up what you say.
If you don’t, these guys will shit all over you.
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Some of the questions on this board are scary, and they are usually the same ones.
dudes come in here and want beach muscles. It doesn't matter what others say to them they just keep asking in a different way if their 6 day a week bi/chest split is good. They won't work legs, they won't work back, just bench and curls... they won't listen to input even though they ask for it
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But I'm convinced there are people out there who just read and learn, just like I did back in the day.
I miss when the biggest asshole posting here was Supplement Guru.
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Your arms grow as you grow.
Curls do not make you grow.
squats, presses, rows, pulls, and food make you grow.
When people stop and stare at you on the street because you are that jacked, when you are competing at a national level, worry about a 'bicep routine'.
Until then, you need to worry about your entire routine.
**How's this statement for dangerous? Not training the weakest link WILL cause injury...thus dangerous. Someone was asking a question and wanted REAL advise...
Interesting theory, I know several people (as I'm sure you all do) who have only ever worked chest and bi's with some good results. (over 22 years :) )
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Depends on how you define 'good'.
I've seen folks who have built decent 'beach bodies', kinda like those Abercrombie models.
I don't think that's impressive, other than the low bodyfat. I guess girls seem to like it. I'm not a girl, so I wouldn't know. I get by on my personality and wit.
I've never seen anyone go from 150 pounds to 225 pounds doing primarily curls. Seen lots of them doing primarily squats.
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Depends on how you define 'good'.
I've seen folks who have built decent 'beach bodies', kinda like those Abercrombie models.
I don't think that's impressive, other than the low bodyfat. I guess girls seem to like it. I'm not a girl, so I wouldn't know. I get by on my personality and wit.
I've never seen anyone go from 150 pounds to 225 pounds doing curls.
You've never seen someone add 75 pounds of muscle on their arms ..... newb ;D
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Ok Squad...I'll post a picture so you can use it when you wrap a hand around yourself!
To anticipate further questions, I'll just answer them:
No...I don't know my measurements I haven't ever put a tape to myself.
No...I've never competed and don't plan to...I love the process and don't need the competition.
I won't list weights for lifts because they don't matter as long as they work for me.
I'm 5'10", 233# (weighed in today for you Squad!) and will be 44 in March.
And, sorry Squad...I like innies and not outties so you'll have to look elsewhere! :)
hahaha nice pic, you should hang out with JOELOCO, he's 50 or so, like you, divorced twice and he , as you, claimed to pull some marvelous weights back when he was a kid.
kill yourself too.
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Depends on how you define 'good'.
I've seen folks who have built decent 'beach bodies', kinda like those Abercrombie models.
I don't think that's impressive, other than the low bodyfat. I guess girls seem to like it. I'm not a girl, so I wouldn't know. I get by on my personality and wit.
I've never seen anyone go from 150 pounds to 225 pounds doing primarily curls. Seen lots of them doing primarily squats.
i've never seen anyone who was concerned about building their physique neglect curls and be satisfied with their results.
if you want bigger arms, work your triceps and biceps. if you want a big chest, bench with dumbbells. if you want to move more weight, squat and deadlift.
there's this weird school of thought where people say "all you need to do is three big lifts, if you're new ignore the isolation work" and it's just plain and simple bullshit. it's something people say to sound like they know more about training than anyone else. i even once saw someone write "if your arms are under 19 inches, don't do direct arm work" which is a little like saying if you need to work on your backhand in tennis, don't work on your backhand.
for the record, if you plan on rowing and deadlifting heavy and you AREN'T working on your biceps with isolation work, i hope you enjoy getting it reattached after it tears. that's called a "weak link" on those moves, particularly your underhand arm on the pulls.
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I never said don't do curls.
I said don't worry much about them until you have build a base of size and strength, which you do via squats, presses, rows, chins, etc. A set or two of curls (any kind) a couple of times a week will do the trick quite well until you step on a stage and a judge tells you to bring your biceps up.
Yes, you need to train to ensure you don't create imbalances or injury. However, I would dare say that if you are rowing enough to tear a bicep, you are probably at the point where you advanced enough to worry about specific training for them. If you add weight to basic lifts gradually over time (especially if you train those lifts frequently), you most likely won't have an issue. I've never met someone who tore a bicep doing barbell rows with 225 pounds (or 315 pounds, for that matter).
I disagree with you on your school of thought suggestions. If you are new, there is absolutley no reason to focus on isiolation work, and little reason to do much of it. If you look around, guys with big arms have what? Big benches, big rows, big squats, big deadlifts (again, assuming your definition of big is the same as mine - Brad Pitt in Fight Club was not 'big'). Yes, to go from 181/2 to 19 inch arms, you'll have to do some curls, most likely. But to go from 14 inches to 17, you really don't need to worry about them.
As i've said before, you need to worry about being all over small before you worry about a bodypart being small.
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Interesting theory, I know several people (as I'm sure you all do) who have only ever worked chest and bi's with some good results. (over 22 years :) )
Of course.
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I never said don't do curls.
I said don't worry much about them until you have build a base of size and strength, which you do via squats, presses, rows, chins, etc. A set or two of curls (any kind) a couple of times a week will do the trick quite well until you step on a stage and a judge tells you to bring your biceps up.
Yes, you need to train to ensure you don't create imbalances or injury. However, I would dare say that if you are rowing enough to tear a bicep, you are probably at the point where you advanced enough to worry about specific training for them. If you add weight to basic lifts gradually over time (especially if you train those lifts frequently), you most likely won't have an issue. I've never met someone who tore a bicep doing barbell rows with 225 pounds (or 315 pounds, for that matter).
I disagree with you on your school of thought suggestions. If you are new, there is absolutley no reason to focus on isiolation work, and little reason to do much of it. If you look around, guys with big arms have what? Big benches, big rows, big squats, big deadlifts (again, assuming your definition of big is the same as mine - Brad Pitt in Fight Club was not 'big'). Yes, to go from 181/2 to 19 inch arms, you'll have to do some curls, most likely. But to go from 14 inches to 17, you really don't need to worry about them.
As i've said before, you need to worry about being all over small before you worry about a bodypart being small.
You've got an opinion, that's all. ;)
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I never said don't do curls.
I said don't worry much about them until you have build a base of size and strength, which you do via squats, presses, rows, chins, etc. A set or two of curls (any kind) a couple of times a week will do the trick quite well until you step on a stage and a judge tells you to bring your biceps up.
But to go from 14 inches to 17, you really don't need to worry about them.
i'm not sure i agree with these two parts. the first because most people have no intentions of competing and so their desire for big arms isn't their balance while in the posing trunks (thus something like "legs" may get neglected), but that's a minor point.
as for 14 to 17 without curls? bullshit unless you're a freak of nature. it took me a few years of scraping to break the 17" barrier and that was pounding my arms from all angles. these days they're around 18" and that's with an absolute shit-ton of tricep work.
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i'm not sure i agree with these two parts. the first because most people have no intentions of competing and so their desire for big arms isn't their balance while in the posing trunks (thus something like "legs" may get neglected), but that's a minor point.
as for 14 to 17 without curls? bullshit unless you're a freak of nature. it took me a few years of scraping to break the 17" barrier and that was pounding my arms from all angles. these days they're around 18" and that's with an absolute shit-ton of tricep work.
I'm the opposite. I gained a bunch of muscle doing almost no direct arm work, and they blew up.
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I'm the opposite. I gained a bunch of muscle doing almost no direct arm work, and they blew up.
then i definitely envy you man. i don't think many people can say the same. it's like thinking you'll get enough hamstring development just from heavy rows and deadlifts, or that your shoulders will be fine just from presses. it might work for a few, but i doubt everyone'll be in the same boat.
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Too many workouts get posted where there is too much work being listed for smaller muscle groups while big ones are ignored.
I see too many back/bi workouts where there's a couple of sets of chins, rows and then standing bb curls, preacher curls, alt curls, concentration curls, 21's
I gained a lot of strength and got past 17" with like 3 sets of standing bb's AFTER beating the snot out of my back, and it didn't take me all that long. Yes, a lot of it had to do with the tris and that was from heavy bench and dips.
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Which gets me back to the point of what I'm usually saying:
Your arms get bigger as you get bigger.
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i'm not sure i agree with these two parts. the first because most people have no intentions of competing and so their desire for big arms isn't their balance while in the posing trunks (thus something like "legs" may get neglected), but that's a minor point.
as for 14 to 17 without curls? bullshit unless you're a freak of nature. it took me a few years of scraping to break the 17" barrier and that was pounding my arms from all angles. these days they're around 18" and that's with an absolute shit-ton of tricep work.
don't let this pathetic troll bait you, magoo. I agree with what you say. My arms sit at a tiny bit under 20" even today (I usually say 19.5 because that's what they are if I pull the tape measure pretty tight). I got legit 17.5" arms within 1.5 years of lifting. It took me another 2 or so years to break 18". Then it took another few years to break 19". Going from 19" to around 20" took less than two years. All this time, I was pumping the hell outta those suckers with heavy hammers, standing E-Z/BB curls, and concentration curls, plus tons of benching, tricep extensions/pushdowns...you name it, I did it. But it takes a LOT of direct work to get big arms.
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don't let this pathetic troll bait you, magoo. I agree with what you say. My arms sit at a tiny bit under 20" even today (I usually say 19.5 because that's what they are if I pull the tape measure pretty tight). I got legit 17.5" arms within 1.5 years of lifting. It took me another 2 or so years to break 18". Then it took another few years to break 19". Going from 19" to around 20" took less than two years. All this time, I was pumping the hell outta those suckers with heavy hammers, standing E-Z/BB curls, and concentration curls, plus tons of benching, tricep extensions/pushdowns...you name it, I did it. But it takes a LOT of direct work to get big arms.
yes, but you're ALSO a freak of nature, you big bastard. >:(
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i'm not sure i agree with these two parts. the first because most people have no intentions of competing and so their desire for big arms isn't their balance while in the posing trunks (thus something like "legs" may get neglected), but that's a minor point.
as for 14 to 17 without curls? bullshit unless you're a freak of nature. it took me a few years of scraping to break the 17" barrier and that was pounding my arms from all angles. these days they're around 18" and that's with an absolute shit-ton of tricep work.
exactly.
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your dog looks like he's a real asshole
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your dog looks like he's a real asshole
And if anyone would know about assholes, it's Geo!
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And if anyone would know about assholes, it's Geo!
that's MISTER asshole to you "sugar britch's"
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Hi Geo!
Still got that cat?
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Hi Geo!
Still got that cat?
no...I had to put that one down 3 years ago,got a new one but she's really not as good as the one you saw in that pic
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I'm sorry to hear that - they really are part of the family.
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I need some advices! Where are you "untamedsenses"?