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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, Pat Robertson strikes back!
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Toss Pat into the lot with the other losers (Oral Roberts, Jim Baker, etc.) that would manipulate the faith of honest people.
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Was Robertson the one that was upset about the Teletubby carrying a purple purse? ???
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Yes. Tinky Winky is gay! ;D
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Was Robertson the one that was upset about the Teletubby carrying a purple purse? ???
Nah, that was Jerry Falwell from the "Moral Majority", ...the other teletubby. ;)
Robertson was the one who tried to get the Republican nomination. {shudder}
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maybe robertson is an x-man, and his mutant abilities make him prescient? or enable him to control the weather? then the question is whether he's a "good" mutant or a "bad" one.
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Robertson and Falwell are to Christianity as what Tom Cruise is to Scientology. They're head-cases.
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I wouldn't put Robertson and Falwell in the same category. They're both staunch religious conservatives, but one (Robertson) is a little lolo (as they say in Hawaii--crazy), while the other (Falwell) is just dogmatic. Robertson is a little nuts.
Falwell has actually grown a lot over the years. He was somewhat of a bigot in his early years, but these days just appears to be a hard-line religious conservative. He made what I thought was an interesting observation a while ago about homosexuality. He doesn't believe homosexuality is genetic, but believes some people are more susceptible and are tempted more often than others.
Sort of makes sense. Satan (if you believe in him) tempts people in areas where they have weaknesses. Some people have trouble with alcohol, drugs, porn, food, etc. For instance, someone who grew up around an alcoholic father and has a high alcohol tolerance may have greater alcohol temptations. Maybe people who become homosexuals are more prone to that behavior, are bombarded with temptations, and ultimately yield? Not something you can prove scientifically, but makes sense (to me) from a religious standpoint.
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I think if Falwell has softened his dogmatic & bigoted approach in recent years, it's probably due to Larry Flynt having some dirt on him more so than any maturity and increase in rationality on his part. Not something I'm able to prove... just call it women's intuition. ;)
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Not something I'm able to prove... just call it women's intuition. ;)
another mutant power?
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I think if Falwell has softened his dogmatic & bigoted approach in recent years, it's probably due to Larry Flynt having some dirt on him more so than any maturity and increase in rationality on his part. Not something I'm able to prove... just call it women's intuition. ;)
It wouldn't surprise me. A number of religious and political leaders can't keep their pants up: Jim Baker, Jesse Jackson, and that crying guy who had the thing for hookers (can't recall his name). Talk about Satan exploiting weaknesses . . . .
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It wouldn't surprise me. A number of religious and political leaders can't keep their pants up: Jim Baker, Jesse Jackson, and that crying guy who had the thing for hookers (can't recall his name). Talk about Satan exploiting weaknesses . . . .
Swaggart?
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It wouldn't surprise me. A number of religious and political leaders can't keep their pants up: Jim Baker, Jesse Jackson, and that crying guy who had the thing for hookers (can't recall his name). Talk about Satan exploiting weaknesses . . . .
That would be Jimmy Swaggart, ...who also coincidently happened to be Jim Baker's most outspoken critic,
...also cousin to Jerry Lee "Great Balls of Fire" Lewis, who married his 13 yr. old first cousin.
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That would be Jimmy Swaggart, ...who also coincidently happened to be Jim Baker's most outspoken critic,
...also cousin to Jerry Lee "Great Balls of Fire" Lewis, who married his 13 yr. old first cousin.
Swaggart! How could I forget? I'll never forget the sobbing "I have sinned against you my Lord" speech, given before he went out and did it AGAIN. You'd think these guys would just go find a trophy wife or something and stay monogamous. Wait . . . that's impossible, because monogamy is abnormal . . . . ::)
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...also cousin to Jerry Lee "Great Balls of Fire" Lewis, who married his 13 yr. old first cousin.
typical half-informed canuck. try second cousin once removed.
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typical half-informed canuck. try second cousin once removed.
dude, ...you're sooo missing the point. He was a grown man marrying a 13 yr. old CHILD!
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dude, ...you're sooo missing the point. He was a grown man marrying a 13 yr. old CHILD!
the incest taboo is a much more essential one. he didn't flout that, contrary to what you claimed.
while I wouldn't approve of anyone marrying any of my female relatives at such a young age, in the US we are educated to know that what is the norm in certain cultures at certain times certainly hasn't been and isn't the case universally. therefore we do not feel compelled to get all atwitter over unions that are somewhat out of the ordinary.
HTH.
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Boy do I disagree. I've raised two 13-year-olds and been around countless others. In no way, shape, or form are they prepared for sex or marriage. Not even close. They are kids.
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If it's a tsunami Jesus wants, it's a tsunami Jesus will get :-\
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Boy do I disagree. I've raised two 13-year-olds and been around countless others. In no way, shape, or form are they prepared for sex or marriage. Not even close. They are kids.
well, it's a wonder that the many groups of people who did and still do engage in such unions haven't all died out . . . let me see, marriage at that age was a common practice in Europe, Africa, Arabia, India . . . pretty much everywhere.
i will agree that in our culture it takes people longer to mature, but I think that's b/c we can afford it, not b/c it's a necessity.
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well, it's a wonder that the many groups of people who did and still do engage in such unions haven't all died out . . . let me see, marriage at that age was a common practice in Europe, Africa, Arabia, India . . . pretty much everywhere.
i will agree that in our culture it takes people longer to mature, but I think that's b/c we can afford it, not b/c it's a necessity.
Just because something has been a common practice in a particular society doesn't make it normal or right. Look at things like slavery and prostitution. Both are very old institutions that have been a part of many societies. They didn't kill societies (including the greatest country in the history of the world) and prostitution continues to this day (even legal in some parts of Nevada).
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in the US we are educated to know that what is the norm in certain cultures at certain times certainly hasn't been and isn't the case universally. therefore we do not feel compelled to get all atwitter over unions that are somewhat out of the ordinary.
HTH.
{LOL}
That explains all the uproar over "Brokeback", and the rush to amend the constitution to prevent gay marriage. ;)
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{LOL}
That explains all the uproar over "Brokeback", and the rush to amend the constitution to prevent gay marriage. ;)
Come on, Judi. All the "roar" over Bareback Mounted was from Hollywood during the Oscar race.
The gay marriage fiasco was during the Presidential errect... er... elections. Bush used it to solidify his conservative base and Kerry was limp on the topic... er... he never took a firm position... he was wishy washy.
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Come on, Judi. All the "roar" over Bareback Mounted was from Hollywood during the Oscar race.
If you say so. I won't mention the theatre chain in Utah that backed out of showing it. ;)
The gay marriage fiasco was during the Presidential errect... er... elections. Bush used it to solidify his conservative base and Kerry was limp on the topic... er... he never took a firm position... he was wishy washy.
So what you're saying then, is that a good way to rally "conservatives", is to propose bigotted legislation that marginalizes, and is discriminatory to certain segments of society? Seems to be their consistent MO huh?
...and of course Kerry was limp, ...ever seen the ketchup heiress he's married to? You'd be limp too.
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If you say so. I won't mention the theatre chain in Utah that backed out of showing it.
That's odd considering how "gay" friendly Utah is.
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If you say so. I won't mention the theatre chain in Utah that backed out of showing it. ;)
Fortunately the Mormons in Utah do not speak for the other 49 states.
So what you're saying then, is that a good way to rally "conservatives", is to propose bigotted legislation that marginalizes, and is discriminatory to certain segments of society? Seems to be their consistent MO huh?
Do you honestly think that Republicans are the only ones against gay marriage? Black and Hispanic Christians are not to fond of it either and I'd wager they're mostly registered Democrats.
...and of course Kerry was limp, ...ever seen the ketchup heiress he's married to? You'd be limp too.
No I wouldn't. I'd have a White House intern deliver pizza so I could make her dress a collector's item on EBay.
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Fortunately the Mormons in Utah do not speak for the other 49 states.
You don't know the power & influence of Orrin Hatch. {lol}
Do you honestly think that Republicans are the only ones against gay marriage? Black and Hispanic Christians are not to fond of it either and I'd wager they're mostly registered Democrats.
Not being fond of it, and actively willing to rail against it are too different things.
No I wouldn't. I'd have a White House intern deliver pizza so I could make her dress a collector's item on EBay.
Careful, ...you're sounding more & more like a Liberal Democrat each day. ;)
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We're talking about a lifestyle. Nothing wrong with legislation directed at certain lifestyles.
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You don't know the power & influence of Orrin Hatch. {lol}
I live in the Baltimore/DC area, babe. We're familiar with that boob here.
Not being fond of it, and actively willing to rail against it are too different things.
True but the blacks and hispanics in the Democratic party are very unhappy and feel (because they are) taken for granted by the white elite in power.
Careful, ...you're sounding more & more like a Liberal Democrat each day. ;)
Because I like pizza?
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Just because something has been a common practice in a particular society doesn't make it normal or right. Look at things like slavery and prostitution. Both are very old institutions that have been a part of many societies. They didn't kill societies (including the greatest country in the history of the world) and prostitution continues to this day (even legal in some parts of Nevada).
Prostitution continues mostly unimpeded (if slightly regulated) in some of the most "enlightened" societies on this planet. In our country, it's a states' rights thing . . . not forbidden by the constitution.
Slavery went against the capitalist/liberal grain that runs through our conception of ourselves as a nation, hence it could not be allowed to continue. our varieties of capitalism and liberal democracy are not empirically based on universal truth . . . contrary to what some of the founding fathers might have felt. Living by capitalist/liberal precepts is a choice "we" made, and I'm glad we made it, as I'm happy with my life. But I would never assume that b/c it works for me, it has to work for everyone else. I will, however, defend my right (and support those who defend my right) to live by my choice . . .
The same is true of our notions on marriage, the "normality" of heterosexual relationships, etc. They're all choices we make, although we try to act like they were handed to us graven on tablets of stone.
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Because I like pizza?
uh-huh! ;D
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Prostitution continues mostly unimpeded (if slightly regulated) in some of the most "enlightened" societies on this planet. In our country, it's a states' rights thing . . . not forbidden by the constitution.
Slavery went against the capitalist/liberal grain that runs through our conception of ourselves as a nation, hence it could not be allowed to continue. our varieties of capitalism and liberal democracy are not empirically based on universal truth . . . contrary to what some of the founding fathers might have felt. Living by capitalist/liberal precepts is a choice "we" made, and I'm glad we made it, as I'm happy with my life. But I would never assume that b/c it works for me, it has to work for everyone else. I will, however, defend my right (and support those who defend my right) to live by my choice . . .
The same is true of our notions on marriage, the "normality" of heterosexual relationships, etc. They're all choices we make, although we try to act like they were handed to us graven on tablets of stone.
I disagree there is no "universal truth." Sounds like moral skepticism, which I also don't believe in. Liberty is a universal truth, at least in this country. Personal autonomy is a universal truth in America. So is due process. There are plenty of others.
Heterosexual relationships are "normal." Our society can't exist without procreation, which takes place primarily within the confines of marriage, or at a minimum between a man and woman (not including artificial methods). Marriage was handed to us in the Garden of Eden and has continued for thousands of years since then. Marriage and family form the backbone of American society. Those are really the only choices we have if our society is to continue. A city full of homosexuals, with no artificial insemination, would eventually die.
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Liberty is a universal truth, at least in this country. Personal autonomy is a universal truth in America.
if it were truly universal, it would need no qualification.
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uh-huh! ;D
;D ;D ;D
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if it were truly universal, it would need no qualification.
Not really. Some people, countries, and governments believe in and practice tyranny.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, Pat Robertson strikes back!
If I'd been there when Pat said all that, I would've said, "Bitch, please."