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L.A. Mayor Garcetti Expected To Announce Plan For $13.25 Minimum Wage
By CATHERINE SAILLANT L.A. council members are drafting an ordinance to boost hourly pay to at least $15.37 at the largest hotels Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti is circulating a plan to raise the city's minimum wage to $13.25 an hour over three years, followed by annual boosts keyed to inflation, according to business representatives and City Hall officials.
The action is expected to be announced on Labor Day.
So far, the proposal has received a cool reception from major business groups worried about the effect on payroll and the possibility that higher wages could drive jobs out of the city. Even some labor leaders dislike it because the hourly wage does not immediately rise to at least $15, a goal that unions have been pursuing for months to help their members cope with the city's high cost of living.
If Los Angeles is to maintain our standing as a world-class city, we need to increase the minimum wage. - Eli Broad, businessman and philanthropist "There is a crisis in wages for the working poor and we feel strongly about the largest increase as soon as possible,'' said Maria Elena Durazo, chief of the Los Angles County Federation of Labor, a powerful coalition of regional unions.
Durazo pointed to union studies that show 46% of Los Angeles workers make less than $15 an hour.
(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...
The following people will be happy by this, even if doesn't work, according to many economics experts:
1) Libs, dems, etc.
2) Mitt Romney and paul ryan. Yes. You read that right.
3) This 65 repubs that wrote a letter to Boehnner demanding a min wage increase.
In addition to the letter-signers, those voting for the 2007 increase also included current Members of Congress:
Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-TN) Sen. John Boozman (R-AR) Sen. Richard Burr (R-NC)
Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-GA) Sen. Thad Cochran (R-MS) Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME)
Sen. Bob Corker (R-TN) Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) Sen. Mike Crapo (R-ID)
Sen. Mike Enzi (R-WY) Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA)
Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) Sen. Johnny Isakson (R-GA) Sen. Mark Kirk (R-IL)
Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) Sen. Jerry Moran (R-KS)
Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) Sen. Pat Roberts (R-KS) Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL)
Sen. Richard Shelby (R-AL) Sen. John Thune (R-SD) Sen. David Vitter (R-LA)
Rep. Robert Aderholt (R-AL) Rep. Rodney Alexander (R-LA) Rep. Spencer Bachus (R-AL)
Rep. Gus Bilirakis (R-FL) Rep. Jo Bonner (R-AL) Rep. Vern Buchanan (R-FL)
Rep. Ander Crenshaw (R-FL) Rep. Charlie Dent (R-PA) Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart (R-FL)
Rep. John Duncan (R-TN) Rep. Randy Forbes (R-VA) Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen (R-NJ)
Rep. Jim Gerlach (R-PA) Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-VA) Rep. Walter Jones (R-NC)
Rep. Tom Latham (R-IA) Rep. Kenny Marchant (R-TX) Rep. Candace Miller (R-MI)
Rep. Tim Murphy (R-PA) Rep. Tom Petri (R-WI) Rep. Ted Poe (R-TX)
Rep. Dave Reichert (R-WA) Rep. Mike Rogers (R-AL) Rep. Hal Rogers (R-KY)
Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL) Rep. John Shimkus (R-IL) Rep. Mike Simpson (R-ID)
Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX) Rep. Michael Turner (R-OH) Rep. Greg Walden (R-OR)
Rep. Ed Whitfield (R-KY) Rep. Frank Wolf (R-KY) Rep. Don Young (R-AK)
Rep. Bill Young (R-FL)
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I don't give a fuck. I proudly live in the most conservative county in California. I've openly and publicly told Obama, Brown and political libs to go fuck themselves.
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Yes, make the minimum wage so high here that businesses keep leaving to other counties and states... wait, that is already happening here in Los Angeles.
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Liberal crackpots being liberal crackpots. no surprise
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Yes, make the minimum wage so high here that businesses keep leaving to other counties and states... wait, that is already happening here in Los Angeles.
California being a border state, it's even easier to move manufacturing to mexico. The service industry will be effected the most.
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Yes, make the minimum wage so high here that businesses keep leaving to other counties and states... wait, that is already happening here in Los Angeles.
Strawman, you know the guy with the degree in finance, says this is not the case. lol
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L.A. Mayor Garcetti Expected To Announce Plan For $13.25 Minimum Wage
By CATHERINE SAILLANT L.A. council members are drafting an ordinance to boost hourly pay to at least $15.37 at the largest hotels Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti is circulating a plan to raise the city's minimum wage to $13.25 an hour over three years, followed by annual boosts keyed to inflation, according to business representatives and City Hall officials.
The action is expected to be announced on Labor Day.
So far, the proposal has received a cool reception from major business groups worried about the effect on payroll and the possibility that higher wages could drive jobs out of the city. Even some labor leaders dislike it because the hourly wage does not immediately rise to at least $15, a goal that unions have been pursuing for months to help their members cope with the city's high cost of living.
If Los Angeles is to maintain our standing as a world-class city, we need to increase the minimum wage. - Eli Broad, businessman and philanthropist "There is a crisis in wages for the working poor and we feel strongly about the largest increase as soon as possible,'' said Maria Elena Durazo, chief of the Los Angles County Federation of Labor, a powerful coalition of regional unions.
Durazo pointed to union studies that show 46% of Los Angeles workers make less than $15 an hour.
(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...
The following people will be happy by this, even if doesn't work, according to many economics experts:
1) Libs, dems, etc.
2) Mitt Romney and paul ryan. Yes. You read that right.
3) This 65 repubs that wrote a letter to Boehnner demanding a min wage increase.
In addition to the letter-signers, those voting for the 2007 increase also included current Members of Congress:
Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-TN) Sen. John Boozman (R-AR) Sen. Richard Burr (R-NC)
Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-GA) Sen. Thad Cochran (R-MS) Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME)
Sen. Bob Corker (R-TN) Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) Sen. Mike Crapo (R-ID)
Sen. Mike Enzi (R-WY) Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA)
Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) Sen. Johnny Isakson (R-GA) Sen. Mark Kirk (R-IL)
Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) Sen. Jerry Moran (R-KS)
Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) Sen. Pat Roberts (R-KS) Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL)
Sen. Richard Shelby (R-AL) Sen. John Thune (R-SD) Sen. David Vitter (R-LA)
Rep. Robert Aderholt (R-AL) Rep. Rodney Alexander (R-LA) Rep. Spencer Bachus (R-AL)
Rep. Gus Bilirakis (R-FL) Rep. Jo Bonner (R-AL) Rep. Vern Buchanan (R-FL)
Rep. Ander Crenshaw (R-FL) Rep. Charlie Dent (R-PA) Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart (R-FL)
Rep. John Duncan (R-TN) Rep. Randy Forbes (R-VA) Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen (R-NJ)
Rep. Jim Gerlach (R-PA) Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-VA) Rep. Walter Jones (R-NC)
Rep. Tom Latham (R-IA) Rep. Kenny Marchant (R-TX) Rep. Candace Miller (R-MI)
Rep. Tim Murphy (R-PA) Rep. Tom Petri (R-WI) Rep. Ted Poe (R-TX)
Rep. Dave Reichert (R-WA) Rep. Mike Rogers (R-AL) Rep. Hal Rogers (R-KY)
Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL) Rep. John Shimkus (R-IL) Rep. Mike Simpson (R-ID)
Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX) Rep. Michael Turner (R-OH) Rep. Greg Walden (R-OR)
Rep. Ed Whitfield (R-KY) Rep. Frank Wolf (R-KY) Rep. Don Young (R-AK)
Rep. Bill Young (R-FL)
please provide a link for the above names. you have a history of posting shit to suit your argument without a link.
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Yes, make the minimum wage so high here that businesses keep leaving to other counties and states... wait, that is already happening here in Los Angeles.
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wasnt that happening before while min wage was hella low...
Min wage increase isnt to blame for businesses leaving, because they have been doing it for over 45 years.....here....in los angeles...
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Not everybody can leave......this hurts the guys that have no choice but to close.
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please provide a link for the above names. you have a history of posting shit to suit your argument without a link.
3) This 65 repubs that wrote a letter to Boehnner demanding a min wage increase.
Here you go coach - the letter and their OWN SIGNATURES.
http://web.archive.org/web/20060731122616/http:/www.house.gov/shays/news/2006/july/minimumwage.pdf
These repubs SUPPORTED RAISING THE MINIMUM WAGE, along with Romney.
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I dislike raising the minimum wage because economically, it doesn't work. It does not.
However, Romney, Obama and the dems in congress, and the 65 shitbird repubs - they DO support raising minimum wage, and the repubs wrote a letter to boehnner asking for it.
tough to call this a liberal cause, without calling them libs too :(
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amazing how shitbama was screaming on labor day about minimum wage like a child screaming for toys in Toys R Us yet Never gets even 50% as animated for the WOT
F him - hope he just goes golfing the remained of his term and STFU
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This will help offset our upcoming 75 cent gas tax rise (thanks Arnie!) that they're not even pretending will be spent "saving the planet" anymore
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What's that..like 5 Bucks per gallon in cali? I'd ride a horse to work....
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I dislike raising the minimum wage because economically, it doesn't work. It does not.
However, Romney, Obama and the dems in congress, and the 65 shitbird repubs - they DO support raising minimum wage, and the repubs wrote a letter to boehnner asking for it.
tough to call this a liberal cause, without calling them libs too :(
except when it does
The 13 U.S. states that increased their minimum wages on January 1 saw higher employment growth, on average, than the states where the minimum wage didn't change, according to an analysis by the Center for Economic Policy Research, a progressive think tank.
Four states passed laws to raise wages, while nine others had automatic wage increases pegged to inflation. The employment rate rose 0.99 percent, on average, in those states in the first five months of 2014, according to the CEPR. Employment rose by just 0.68 percent, on average, during that same period in the 37 states that didn't raise wages.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/10/minimum-wage-kill-jobs_n_5571412.html
When you go to the CEPR report they point out that although correlation is always not causality (though of course sometime it is) they do point out that it "does provide evidence against theoretical negative employment effects of minimum-wage increases."
At the beginning of 2014, 13 states increased their minimum wage. Of these 13 states, four passed legislation raising their minimum wage (Connecticut, New Jersey, New York, and Rhode Island). In the other nine, their minimum wage automatically increased in line with inflation at the beginning of the year (Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Missouri, Montana, Ohio, Oregon, Vermont, and Washington state).
As CEPR noted in March and April posts, economists at Goldman Sachs conducted a simple evaluation of the impact of these state minimum-wage increases. GS compared the employment change between December and January in the 13 states where the minimum wage increased with the changes in the remainder of the states. The GS analysis found that the states where the minimum wage went up had faster employment growth than the states where the minimum wage remained at its 2013 level.
When we updated the GS analysis using additional employment data from the BLS, we saw the same pattern: employment growth was higher in states where the minimum wage went up. While this kind of simple exercise can't establish causality, it does provide evidence against theoretical negative employment effects of minimum-wage increases.
http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/cepr-blog/2014-job-creation-in-states-that-raised-the-minimum-wage
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Strawman, you know the guy with the degree in finance, says this is not the case. lol
I'll settle on the recent report from the Center for Economic Policy and Research .
Hey, aren't you the moron that said every new tax, legislation and even every vacation by the POTUS causes you to have to raise the prices on your tire flipping lessons.
I assume your fee schedule is like the white board at a sushi restaurant and each day we'll need to check for the "market price" on tire flipping lessons
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We should make it 50 an hour
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We should make it 50 an hour
you certainly shouldn't but thanks for giving the typical morons response on this subject
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you certainly shouldn't but thanks for giving the typical morons response on this subject
30?
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at any rate, the one everyone keeps slurping for 2016, this romney dude, he supports raising the minimum wage. so i guess that'll make everyone happy.
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30?
seems kind of high for a guy who spend the entire day every day making virtually the exact sames posts on an obscure website.
it's not like you're doing something of value like making my coffee in the morning or flipping burgers
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Increased cost of living in cali but more out of state amazon buying power. :D
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except when it does
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/10/minimum-wage-kill-jobs_n_5571412.html
When you go to the CEPR report they point out that although correlation is always not causality (though of course sometime it is) they do point out that it "does provide evidence against theoretical negative employment effects of minimum-wage increases."
http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/cepr-blog/2014-job-creation-in-states-that-raised-the-minimum-wage
This was based off of a one month sample and 9 of the 13 states that raised the minimum wage did so as a result of the minimum wage being tied to inflation...IE a cost of living increase.
This is certainly not nearly enough to support to defend any stance on raising the minimum wage and even the study admits that it is a simplistic study and cannot tell anything about causality.
"While this kind of simple exercise can't establish causality, it does provide evidence against theoretical negative employment effects of minimum-wage increases."
A study spanning one month, using data from when the economy is growing, in which 9 of the 13 states used raised the minimum wage to keep pace with inflation when we have very low inflation....THATS NOT A GOOD EXAMPLE TO USE TO BACK UP YOUR ARGUMENT....
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Looking at their chart its obvious the people used the data they wanted and discarded the rest. The two states that had the most growth didnt raise the minimum wage and the state with the biggest decrease was a state with a raise in the minimum wage.
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This was based off of a one month sample and 9 of the 13 states that raised the minimum wage did so as a result of the minimum wage being tied to inflation...IE a cost of living increase.
This is certainly not nearly enough to support to defend any stance on raising the minimum wage and even the study admits that it is a simplistic study and cannot tell anything about causality.
"While this kind of simple exercise can't establish causality, it does provide evidence against theoretical negative employment effects of minimum-wage increases."
A study spanning one month, using data from when the economy is growing, in which 9 of the 13 states used raised the minimum wage to keep pace with inflation when we have very low inflation....THATS NOT A GOOD EXAMPLE TO USE TO BACK UP YOUR ARGUMENT....
WTF man - did you even read my post?
I cited the exact same line in the summary of their report and even put it in BOLD
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WTF man - did you even read my post?
I cited the exact same line in the summary of their report and even put it in BOLD
you did, but you also used it as evidence to bolster your belief. This study is again a 1 month study during a time in which seasonally there is more employment, using data from 9 of 13 states that adjusted the minimum wage for inflation at a time when there is basically no inflation and during a growing economy.
Even with those things which would obviously help the argument that a minimum wage increase doesnt hurt employment the results obviously show that if anything the results are very mixed.
You left that part out........
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you did, but you also used it as evidence to bolster your belief. This study is again a 1 month study during a time in which seasonally there is more employment, using data from 9 of 13 states that adjusted the minimum wage for inflation at a time when there is basically no inflation and during a growing economy.
Even with those things which would obviously help the argument that a minimum wage increase doesnt hurt employment the results obviously show that if anything the results are very mixed.
You left that part out........
here some of my prior posts on this topic so have it
Also, how about you find some studies to support your belief (or at least the belief of some on this board) that a higher minimum wage hurts the economy.
Actually cities and states with higher minimum wages have the most amount of economic growth
Here are some examples:
Show This To The Next Person Who Says High Minimum Wages Kill Jobs
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/15/minimum-wage-jobs_n_5330852.html
Highest Minimum-Wage State Washington Beats U.S. in Job Creation
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-05/washington-shows-highest-minimum-wage-state-beats-u-s-with-jobs.html
2014 Job Creation Faster in States that Raised the Minimum Wage
http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/cepr-blog/2014-job-creation-in-states-that-raised-the-minimum-wage
There is plenty of evidence that Republicans are not in favor of higher wages in spite of the fact (or maybe because) it's been shown to spur economic growth.
The premise of the idiot who started this thread is that wages are down and somehow that's Obama's fault or that some of us "blame "still blame palin w Romney et al"
wtf does that even mean. What exactly would we be blaming Palin and Romney for in regards to this topic. Neither of them ever even held national office.
The mental patient who started this thread is actually himself in favor of lower wages (again in spite of the evidence that higher wages are better for everyone)
This is just one of 1000's of thread on this board that are completely void of any meaning or coherence and only exist so that our resident mental patient can calm the OCD monkey on his back for a few minutes
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here some of my prior posts on this topic so have it
Also, how about you find some studies to support your belief (or at least the belief of some on this board) that a higher minimum wage hurts the economy.
plenty of studies that show raising labor costs hurt employment, if you deny it youre an idiot.
Now I agree that it can help the overall economy but its a balancing act and like all things the truth is somewhere in the middle of both sides.
All things being equal if you make it labor more expensive people will utilize labor less, its a very basic economic concept. Now I understand what your studies are saying is that increasing the pay will increase economic activity and as a result require more labor and I think there is a valid argument to be made from that but that doesnt make it true.
Of course the flip side is that a raise in wages lead to a raise in prices and decrease in spending causing basically nullifying any increase in spending due to the raise in wages.
Again the truth is for the most part somewhere in the middle
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I defintely see the argument for and against raising the minimum wage.
The issue that advocates of raising the minimum wage face is that the poster child of the person who it would benefit is a person with multiple children, with an iphone groaning about not being able to make ends meet.
Let me ask you this straw as a person who is obviously for it. What standard of living do you think is fair for a person who works 40 hours a week? own a home? how much? own a car? multiple cars? have a child? multiple kids?
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plenty of studies that show raising labor costs hurt employment, if you deny it youre an idiot.
Now I agree that it can help the overall economy but its a balancing act and like all things the truth is somewhere in the middle of both sides.
All things being equal if you make it labor more expensive people will utilize labor less, its a very basic economic concept. Now I understand what your studies are saying is that increasing the pay will increase economic activity and as a result require more labor and I think there is a valid argument to be made from that but that doesnt make it true.
Of course the flip side is that a raise in wages lead to a raise in prices and decrease in spending causing basically nullifying any increase in spending due to the raise in wages.
Again the truth is for the most part somewhere in the middle
how about posting one of those many studies or even better post one that actually addresses the topic of this thread which is increasing the minimum wage which is basically the same today (in today's dollars) as it was in 1938.
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how about posting one of those many studies or even better post one that actually addresses the topic of this thread which is increasing the minimum wage which is basically the same today (in today's dollars) as it was in 1938.
guy seriously?
do you really deny that there are studies that show raising the minimum wage hurts employment?
If you want I can draw you supply and demand chart...LMFAO
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you did, but you also used it as evidence to bolster your belief. This study is again a 1 month study during a time in which seasonally there is more employment, using data from 9 of 13 states that adjusted the minimum wage for inflation at a time when there is basically no inflation and during a growing economy.
Even with those things which would obviously help the argument that a minimum wage increase doesnt hurt employment the results obviously show that if anything the results are very mixed.
You left that part out........
If what you write is true, the designers of the study are incompetent and/or willfully dishonest
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If what you write is true, the designers of the study are incompetent and/or willfully dishonest
it is the study measured the change from december to january, 9 of the 13 states that they classify as raising the minmum wage was a result of a cost of living adjustment for inflation even though inflation is very low and the economy was and is growing.
Its either dishonest or ignorant to use this study to back up a stance that raising the minimum wage doesnt hurt employment.
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it is the study measured the change from december to january, 9 of the 13 states that they classify as raising the minmum wage was a result of a cost of living adjustment for inflation even though inflation is very low and the economy was and is growing.
Its either dishonest or ignorant to use this study to back up a stance that raising the minimum wage doesnt hurt employment.
the chart actually is based on a period from on the first 4 months of 2014 and the baseline of the chart is growth from the last 5 months of 2013
anyway, where are all the studies of what everyone here "knows" which is that "raising minimum wage must hurt employment
We see an abundance of evidence that this likely not true but since everyone here knows it surely there must be studies that prove it. You yourself previously mentioned that there are "plenty of studies" so where are they?
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it is the study measured the change from december to january, 9 of the 13 states that they classify as raising the minmum wage was a result of a cost of living adjustment for inflation even though inflation is very low and the economy was and is growing.
Its either dishonest or ignorant to use this study to back up a stance that raising the minimum wage doesnt hurt employment.
December to January 9th, right during the christmas season when retail chains hire temporary help. The methodology of the study is deeply flawed.
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December to January 9th, right during the christmas season when retail chains hire temporary help. The methodology of the study is deeply flawed.
yup.....
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the chart actually is based on a period from on the first 4 months of 2014 and the baseline of the chart is growth from the last 5 months of 2013
anyway, where are all the studies of what everyone here "knows" which is that "raising minimum wage must hurt employment
We see an abundance of evidence that this likely not true but since everyone here knows it surely there must be studies that prove it. You yourself previously mentioned that there are "plenty of studies" so where are they?
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December to January 9th, right during the christmas season when retail chains hire temporary help. The methodology of the study is deeply flawed.
the chart provided in the link is based on data of 8 months (4 month prior to increase as baseline) and 4 months post increase
Anyway, if you think it's "deeply flawed" then toss it out and look at the other examples I provided. I'm sure you're aware that many cities have much higher minimum wages than the Federal minimum wage so there should be plenty of evidence that it's either harmful, not harmful or helpful to employment.
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I guess you found that in one of those "plenty of studies"
thanks for reminding me that you're a waste of time
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guy seriously?
do you really deny that there are studies that show raising the minimum wage hurts employment?
If you want I can draw you supply and demand chart...LMFAO
still waiting for you to post them
what's the problem
you've got so many to choose from
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I guess you found that in one of those "plenty of studies"
thanks for reminding me that you're a waste of time
hahah anyone who denies there are studies that show that raising the minimum wage hurts employment obviously isnt serious about having an open debate on the subject or they are so close minded and ignorant they refuse to see reality.
Either way its fine, stop wasting your time on me then.
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still waiting for you to post them
what's the problem
you've got so many to choose from
economics was a bitch of a class for you wasnt it straw? hahahhaha
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economics was a bitch of a class for you wasnt it straw? hahahhaha
no, what's a bitch is talking to a loser who can't support his claims
just reminding me that it is par for the course with you
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no, what's a bitch is talking to a loser who can't support his claims
just reminding me that it is par for the course with you
hahah guy wasnt there a cbo study a while back about raising the minimum wage would cost jobs?
seriously if you are geniunely open minded about it, which its obvious youre not. Google it quickly and see the other side of the coin there big boy.
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hahah guy wasnt there a cbo study a while back about raising the minimum wage would cost jobs?
seriously if you are geniunely open minded about it, which its obvious youre not. Google it quickly and see the other side of the coin there big boy.
LOL - you're joking right
you make a claim and you can't support it and you want me to find it for you
get lost punk
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I'll settle on the recent report from the Center for Economic Policy and Research .
Hey, aren't you the moron that said every new tax, legislation and even every vacation by the POTUS causes you to have to raise the prices on your tire flipping lessons.
I assume your fee schedule is like the white board at a sushi restaurant and each day we'll need to check for the "market price" on tire flipping lessons
As a matter of fact I didn't say that, dumbshit. And fuck your "reports" and use some fucking business commonsense. You said you had a business (which was never revealed to my knowledge) that I find hard to believe. It proves liberals have no fucking sense of business what so ever.
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As a matter of fact I didn't say that, dumbshit. And fuck your "reports" and use some fucking business commonsense. You said you had a business (which was never revealed to my knowledge) that I find hard to believe. It proves liberals have no fucking sense of business what so ever.
fair point
you didn't mention "legislation" (that's what you were referring to in my post.....right?)
let's look at exactly what you "said" (and by that I mean what you wrote)
Anything that affects my bottom line affects my business. Every new entitlement, every new tax, every time that asshole decides to take $100mil vacations.
It affects some of my clientele that own businesses which in turn....affects my business. I could go on if you like but since you have a degree in finance which I'm sure includes some business basics, you should know this, but kinda doubt it.
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please provide a link for the above names. you have a history of posting shit to suit your argument without a link.
So what's your take on this list, now that you see their signatures?
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Anything that affects my bottom line affects my business. Every new entitlement, every new tax, every time that asshole decides to take $100mil vacations.
It affects some of my clientele that own businesses which in turn....affects my business. I could go on if you like but since you have a degree in finance which I'm sure includes some business basics, you should know this, but kinda doubt it.
Do you think these things are free? You know, such as "free" healthcare? Of course it affects every businesses bottomline if they have to pay more in taxes? Seriously, what part of this are you not understanding? What business are you in? You seem to avoid this question.
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So what's your take on this list, now that you see their signatures?
My take is I don't give a fuck. I'm too busy trying to get through Mr. Finance degree that he should go back to the school he got that degree from and sue the holy shit out of them for making him believe that raising the min wage and raising taxes is good for economic growth.
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My take is I don't give a fuck. I'm too busy trying to get through Mr. Finance degree that he should go back to the school he got that degree from and sue the holy shit out of them for making him believe that raising the min wage and raising taxes is good for economic growth.
How many time have I asked you to give me some specific examples
come on legitimate "Coach"
just dumb it down so I can understand how " Every new entitlement, every new tax, every time that asshole decides to take $100mil vacations" effects your tire flipping business or whatever it is you do?
Just give me some specific examples
Thanks
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How many time have I asked you to give me some specific examples
come on legitimate "Coach"
just dumb it down so I can understand how " Every new entitlement, every new tax, every time that asshole decides to take $100mil vacations" effects your tire flipping business or whatever it is you do?
Just give me some specific examples
Thanks
Jesus Christ. I give up. Liberals are without a doubt in my mind some of the dumbest motherfuckers on the face of the planet. Figure it out yourself.
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http://www.cbo.gov/publication/44995
There you go straw, not that you will take an objective look at it
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http://www.cbo.gov/publication/44995
There you go straw, not that you will take an objective look at it
great job dipshit
out of the "plenty of studies" you claimed existed you can't locate one the looks at actual effects of increase in the minimum wage in reality
all you can find is a single study of "projections" by the CBO who we all know can be wildly innacurate
Here is an example of REALITY which I had previously posted (in this thread and others) looking back at the effects of raising the minimum wage in Washington starting in 1998. That's plenty of time for us to collect data and observe the actual effects.
Highest Minimum-Wage State Washington Beats U.S. in Job Creation
When Washington residents voted in 1998 to raise the state’s minimum wage and link it to the cost of living, opponents warned the measure would be a job-killer. The prediction hasn’t been borne out.
In the 15 years that followed, the state’s minimum wage climbed to $9.32 -- the highest in the country. Meanwhile job growth continued at an average 0.8 percent annual pace, 0.3 percentage point above the national rate. Payrolls at Washington’s restaurants and bars, portrayed as particularly vulnerable to higher wage costs, expanded by 21 percent. Poverty has trailed the U.S. level for at least seven years.
What happened to your simplistic supply and demand chart in Washington. Maybe they don't know about supply and demand in Washington
They've had 15 years of "job killing" higher wages. I assume it's only a matter of time before the "job killing" kicks in and we all get to laugh at them for being so stupid.
How about you go back to those "plenty of studies" you claim to know about and find one that looks back at the actual observed effects in the economy when a state or city has implemented higher minimum wages
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Jesus Christ. I give up. Liberals are without a doubt in my mind some of the dumbest motherfuckers on the face of the planet. Figure it out yourself.
it's very very simple Joe
Give me a specific example of when a "new entitlement, every new tax, every time that asshole decides to take $100mil vacations"
effected your bottom line.
Why don't you just use the Obama's most recent vacation and explain exactly how it effected your business
Is that too much to ask.
This is your premise after all....remember?
Anything that affects my bottom line affects my business. Every new entitlement, every new tax, every time that asshole decides to take $100mil vacations.
It affects some of my clientele that own businesses which in turn....affects my business. I could go on if you like but since you have a degree in finance which I'm sure includes some business basics, you should know this, but kinda doubt it.
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great job dipshit
out of the "plenty of studies" you claimed existed you can't locate one the looks at actual effects of increase in the minimum wage in reality
all you can find is a single study of "projections" by the CBO who we all know can be wildly innacurate
Here is an example of REALITY which I had previously posted (in this thread and others) looking back at the effects of raising the minimum wage in Washington starting in 1998. That's plenty of time for us to collect data and observe the actual effects.
What happened to your simplistic supply and demand chart in Washington. Maybe they don't know about supply and demand in Washington
They've had 15 years of "job killing" higher wages. I assume it's only a matter of time before the "job killing" kicks in and we all get to laugh at them for being so stupid.
How about you go back to those "plenty of studies" you claim to know about and find one that looks back at the actual observed effects in the economy when a state or city has implemented higher minimum wages
Wait so instead of talking to the supposed inaccuracies of the report you just say that it isn't a trusted source and cite opposing studies?
Again the truth is somewhere in the middle anyone who says that raising the minimum wage won't hurt employment is ignorant. If your truly believe that the. Why not raise it to $50 an hour?
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http://econweb.tamu.edu/jmeer/Meer_West_Minimum_Wage.pdf
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As a matter of fact I didn't say that, dumbshit. And fuck your "reports" and use some fucking business commonsense. You said you had a business (which was never revealed to my knowledge) that I find hard to believe. It proves liberals have no fucking sense of business what so ever.
Global warming has more impact on your business then Obama takign a vacation.
Also, just in case you were unaware there are actually more then two types of people, liberal and conservative.
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Wait so instead of talking to the supposed inaccuracies of the report you just say that it isn't a trusted source and cite opposing studies?
Again the truth is somewhere in the middle anyone who says that raising the minimum wage won't hurt employment is ignorant. If your truly believe that the. Why not raise it to $50 an hour?
pay attention Tony. I didn't say the CBO wasn't a trusted source
I said they have provided a projection or an estimate of what might happen. That's what they do and they are never 100% correct and are often quite wrong.
explain how Washington has 15 years of a higher than average minimum wage and their job growth has been consistently higher than the national average.
that's not a projection or conjecture or an estimate
that's 15 year of real world experience showing no harm to employment
maybe it's just a 15 year grace period before the disaster starts
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http://econweb.tamu.edu/jmeer/Meer_West_Minimum_Wage.pdf
since I assume you've already read this please provide a summary