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January 7, 2009
Sweet on Caroline
By MAUREEN DOWD
WASHINGTON
Ask not, you know, what your country can, like, do for you. Ask what you, um, can, you know, do for your country.
After a lifetime of shying away from the public spotlight, Caroline Kennedy asked herself what she could do for her country.
Her soft-spoken answer — to follow her father and two uncles and serve in the Senate — got her ripped to shreds in the, you know, press.
I know about “you knows.” I use that verbal crutch myself, a bad habit that develops from shyness and reticence about public speaking.
I always thought that Caroline and her brother, John, had special magic capital in America because of their heartbreaking roles in the Kennedy House of Atreus.
Joe Kennedy, the wily patriarch of the clan, had pioneered the use of Hollywood glamour in pursuit of Washington power. With his glossy pop-culture political magazine, George, John reversed that equation, using his stature as an American political prince to persuade Salma Hayek to pose on the cover of his magazine.
I wrote a column once saying that it seemed like a frivolous use of his time. I thought he should run for office and employ his special clout to make life better for Americans. He died before he had the chance.
So I found it bizarre that when Caroline offered to use her magic capital — and friendship with Barack Obama — to help take care of New York in this time of economic distress, she was blasted by a howl of “How dare she?”
People are suddenly awfully choosy about who gets to go to the former home of Jesse Helms, Strom Thurmond and Robert Torricelli.
Although Americans still have enough British in their genes to be drawn to dynasties, W. has no doubt soured the country on scions. And the camps of the other two New York dynasties — the Clintons (still bitter about Caroline’s endorsement of Obama) and the Cuomos (who’d like that Senate seat for Andrew) — have certainly done their best to undermine Caroline.
Congress, which abdicated its oversight role as the Bush crew wrecked the globe and the economy, desperately needs fresh faces and new perspectives, an infusion of class, intelligence and guts.
People complain that the 51-year-old Harvard and Columbia Law School grad and author is not a glib, professional pol who knows how to artfully market herself, and is someone who hasn’t spent her life glad-handing, backstabbing and logrolling. I say, thank God.
The press whines that she doesn’t have a pat answer about why she wants the job. I’ve interviewed a score of men running for president; not one had a good answer for why he wanted it.
Robert Duffy, the mayor of Rochester, complained that when the would-be senator visited the Democratic headquarters there recently, she did not respond to pictures in a conference room of her father, mother, brother and herself as a little girl. Isn’t it creepy to expect her to emote on cue? Isn’t it more authentic to want to keep some of your most private feelings to yourself?
I know Caroline Kennedy. She’s smart, cultivated, serious and unpretentious. The Senate, shamefully sparse on profiles in courage during Dick Cheney’s reign of terror, would be lucky to get her.
And believe me, she talks a whole lot better than the former junior senator from New York, Al D’Amato, who once wailed that he was “up to my earballs” in some mess, and another time complained to me that those “little Jappies” bring over boats full of cars and then take the boats back empty.
Anyhow, it isn’t how you say it. It’s what you say. Hillary Clinton is a great talker, but she never stood up in the Senate to lead a crusade against any Republican horror show, from Terri Schiavo to the Bush administration’s dishonest push to war.
Sitting in the Senate gallery on Tuesday as senators were sworn in by Dick Cheney, I saw plenty of lawmakers who had benefited from family.
Two Udalls were being sworn in, under the watchful eye of Stewart Udall. Mark Begich, the new senator from Alaska, is the son of a former Alaska congressman. The classy Bob Casey of Pennsylvania, son of the late Gov. Robert Casey, was there in a festive pink tie. John McCain, whose wife’s money and Arizona pull made his Senate election possible, looked on with a smile. Hillary, whose husband paved the way for her to join this club and run for president, chatted with colleagues. Jay Rockefeller wandered about, as did Chris Dodd, son of Senator Thomas Dodd. And Teddy Kennedy, walking with a cane, worked the room with his old brio.
It isn’t what your name is. It’s what you do with it. Or, in the case of W., don’t.
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Yeah, because their incompetence and stupidity would only be eclipsed by her own , you know.
What a joke this is. The liberal hacks who attacked Palin while clamoring for this valley girl are showing themselves to be the hypocrites they always are.
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Princess Caroline, you know?
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Princess Caroline, you know?
Yet these clowns still attack Palin??????
Palin owns this woman on every count.
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It's not a Dem. vs Rep. deal. When Palin is brought in by either side the argument shifts towards Kennedy vs. Palin.
In a non-aristocracy Caroline Kennedy has no business in the Senate.
If one thinks that being an author with a law degree degree qualifies one for Senator then they would believe Anne Coulter qualified as well.
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It's not a Dem. vs Rep. deal. When Palin is brought in by either side the arguement shifts towards Kennedy vs. Palin.
In a non-aristocracy Caroline Kennedy has no business in the Senate.
If one thinks that being an author with a law degree degree qualifies one for Senator then they would believe Anne Coulter qualified as well.
Great Point!
I like Coulter for entertainment, but do not think she would be a good Senator.
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Great Point!
I like Coulter for entertainment, but do not think she would be a good Senator.
Coulter'd be a terrible senator because of her ideas.
Palin is stupid, possibly the dumbest woman alive, no matter how many "y'knows" anyone else can cram into 5 minutes.
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Coulter'd be a terrible senator because of her ideas.
Palin is stupid, possibly the dumbest woman alive, no matter how many "y'knows" anyone else can cram into 5 minutes.
Please, this woman runs curcles around you and has accomplished more in her 43 y/o life than you will in 10 lifetimes.
MAYOR
GOVERNOR
BUSINESS OWNER
PRESIDENT OF AN ENERGY COMMISSION
Unless you have done more than her, she is at least the 2nd dumbest person on the planet.
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Yes, we can all agree that Palin, Coulter, and Kennedy have no business being NY Senators.
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Coulter'd be a terrible senator because of her ideas.
Palin is stupid, possibly the dumbest woman alive, no matter how many "y'knows" anyone else can cram into 5 minutes.
Another thing, I live in NYC area. This fool wants to close down Indian Point, the only nuclear power plant in the area. By all studies, the energy costs would go up 25% for customers if they do this.
She also favors gay marriage.
Kennedy is a joke and elitist entitlement trust fund spoiled twit.
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Please, this woman runs curcles around you and has accomplished more in her 43 y/o life than you will in 10 lifetimes.
MAYOR
GOVERNOR
BUSINESS OWNER
PRESIDENT OF AN ENERGY COMMISSION
Unless you have done more than her, she is at least the 2nd dumbest person on the planet.
Mayor and governor of shitsville. Ethics supervisor for an energy commission... a position she left after nine months because people were unethical. I don't deign to run for public office, but if i did, I'm sure I'd have no problem making a success out of it in Wasilla.
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Mayor and governor of shitsville. Ethics supervisor for an energy commission... a position she left after nine months because people were unethical. I don't deign to run for public office, but if i did, I'm sure I'd have no problem making a success out of it in Wasilla.
I will thus take it she is now the second dumbest person in America behind yourself.
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Mayor and governor of shitsville. Ethics supervisor for an energy commission... a position she left after nine months because people were unethical. I don't deign to run for public office, but if i did, I'm sure I'd have no problem making a success out of it in Wasilla.
There's no danger of Palin being a NY Senator.
Since it's an appointment it's going to be a Democrat no matter what. Caroline Kennedy is what a lot of NY Democrats are concerned about.
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There's no danger of Palin being a NY Senator.
Since it's an appointment it's going to be a Democrat no matter what. Caroline Kennedy is what a lot of NY Democrats are concerned about.
I live in NYC and this elitist twit wants to close down the only nuclear power plant we have, at a cost of at least 25% increase in energy costs to consumers.
Limosuine liberals are like a plague that needs quarantine.
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Another thing, I live in NYC area. This fool wants to close down Indian Point, the only nuclear power plant in the area. By all studies, the energy costs would go up 25% for customers if they do this.
She also favors gay marriage.
Kennedy is a joke and elitist entitlement trust fund spoiled twit.
I had no concern that she would be a senator here.
The indian point thing is a lot more complicated than that. And , no, all studies haven't made the argument that prices would rise by 25%
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I had no concern that she would be a senator here.
The indian point thing is a lot more complicated than that. And , no, all studies haven't made the argument that prices would rise by 25%
I live in area where this is affected directly. Closing Indian Point is insane.
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Yet these clowns still attack Palin??????
Palin owns this woman on every count.
Yep.
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That is a ridiculous article. Caroline Kennedy is not the best pick for a senator and does not deserve the nomination. I take each case individually. If you are comparing to Palin, at least she worked her way up through the political system from small town mayor to being ELECTED gov.
I agree that Palin was not the best pick for VP but that does not cloud the fact that Caroline Kennedy should not be in the senate. She can use her money and family influence to do a lot for the city in her current position.
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That is a ridiculous article. Caroline Kennedy is not the best pick for a senator and does not deserve the nomination. I take each case individually. If you are comparing to Palin, at least she worked her way up through the political system from small town mayor to being ELECTED gov.
I agree that Palin was not the best pick for VP but that does not cloud the fact that Caroline Kennedy should not be in the senate. She can use her money and family influence to do a lot for the city in her current position.
Ya know, I agree with this.
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Ya know, I agree with this.
I live on the Yonkers/Bronx border.
The best person for this job bar nonse is either Peter King or Nita Lowey.
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I live on the Yonkers/Bronx border.
The best person for this job bar nonse is either Peter King or Nita Lowey.
Peter King is good. Don't know anything about Nita Lowey. What's she about?
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Peter King is good. Don't know anything about Nita Lowey. What's she about?
She is a lib, but has done her time in the trenches.
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She is a lib, but has done her time in the trenches.
Thanks. Ya know. :)
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Thanks. Ya know. :)
Kennedy is the perfect example of a liberal RAT:
1. Inherited Wealth
2. Has a family name
3. Looks like a Wasp politician
4. In favor of massive socialism that wont impact her personally.
5. Never worlked a day in her life.
6. Favors every liberal cause.
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Anyone trying to shut down nuclear plants (outside of some emergency or saftey issue, of course) in this time of economic crisis, is crazy. We have far to few nuclear power plants.
Same as oil/gas...we cannot stop using oil based fuels until the technology is ready to switch to a cleaning, better and more cost effective source. Nuclear power is safe, effective and underutilized in this country.
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Kennedy is the perfect example of a liberal RAT:
1. Inherited Wealth
2. Has a family name
3. Looks like a Wasp politician
4. In favor of massive socialism that wont impact her personally.
5. Never worlked a day in her life.
6. Favors every liberal cause.
Indeed. She should go get a job. Maybe she should work as a senate aid for a few years.
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Anyone trying to shut down nuclear plants (outside of some emergency or saftey issue, of course) in this time of economic crisis, is crazy. We have far to few nuclear power plants.
Same as oil/gas...we cannot stop using oil based fuels until the technology is ready to switch to a cleaning, better and more cost effective source. Nuclear power is safe, effective and underutilized in this country.
SSSSSHHHHH. . . . . you might wake up the enviro-nazis into reality.
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Yes, that would be bad.
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Kennedy is the perfect example of a liberal RAT:
1. Inherited Wealth
2. Has a family name
3. Looks like a Wasp politician
4. In favor of massive socialism that wont impact her personally.
5. Never worlked a day in her life.
6. Favors every liberal cause.
sounds perfect for your state.
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Anyone trying to shut down nuclear plants (outside of some emergency or saftey issue, of course) in this time of economic crisis, is crazy. We have far to few nuclear power plants.
Same as oil/gas...we cannot stop using oil based fuels until the technology is ready to switch to a cleaning, better and more cost effective source. Nuclear power is safe, effective and underutilized in this country.
I love in the area directly impacted by indian point ans she is just following the lead of her envri wachk job cousin RFK Jr. in trying to shut this down.
We already pay anough.
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Dude, I can't believe you live in New York with all the taxes that have been pushed through there. Even though I think NY is beautiful, no way I could live there.
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Dude, I can't believe you live in New York with all the taxes that have been pushed through there. Even though I think NY is beautiful, no way I could live there.
If it were not for:
1. Family
2. Business Clients
3. Fiance
I would leave here asap!!!!!!!!!!!
The taxes and costs here are insane.
NYS is a liberal democrat Frankenstein on steroids.
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Mayor and governor of shitsville. Ethics supervisor for an energy commission... a position she left after nine months because people were unethical. I don't deign to run for public office, but if i did, I'm sure I'd have no problem making a success out of it in Wasilla.
She is a governor,one of fifty in the entire country.She actually ran for the office and won.Please,you sound silly.She is light years smarter then Joe Biden.
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She is a governor,one of fifty in the entire country.She actually ran for the office and won.Please,you sound silly.She is light years smarter then Joe Biden.
palin is smarter than biden?
wow. just, wow.
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palin is smarter than biden?
wow. just, wow.
Without a doubt Palin is smarter than Biden.
"During the depression FDR went on TV and explained the situation to Americans"
Yeah, brilliant VP we have.
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Without a doubt Palin is smarter than Biden.
"During the depression FDR went on TV and explained the situation to Americans"
Yeah, brilliant VP we have.
A no brainer, ya know.
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Wow. Just, wow.
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Wow. Just, wow.
Biden:
1. Admitted to plagerizing.
2. Did not know we did not have TV's in 1930's
3. Got the VP answer wrong as to the constitution
4. You need an indian accent to shop in a 7/11
You want more????
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Biden:
1. Admitted to plagerizing.
2. Did not know we did not have TV's in 1930's
3. Got the VP answer wrong as to the constitution
4. You need an indian accent to shop in a 7/11
You want more????
Yes, more. :) You left off his class rank, which some liberal lapdogs thought was so important when it came to McCain.
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Yes, more. :) You left off his class rank, which some liberal lapdogs thought was so important when it came to McCain.
Ill get to it later.
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Wow. Just, wow.
Telling a cripple to "stand up" trumps ANYTHING Palin has ever done,will ever do or could ever think to do.Why do you think Biden has ALWAYS been dubbed "the dumbest man in the senate" by conservatives.Ever see him question Judge Roberts.He had twenty minutes to ask questions and took 18 minutes talking about himself.It was humiliating.He is an emty suit and a moron.Remember this quote "dam the science steroids need to be banned".
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Telling a cripple to "stand up" trumps ANYTHING Palin has ever done,will ever do or could ever think to do.Why do you think Biden has ALWAYS been dubbed "the dumbest man in the senate" by conservatives.Ever see him question Judge Roberts.He had twenty minutes to ask questions and took 18 minutes talking about himself.It was humiliating.He is an emty suit and a moron.Remember this quote "dam the science steroids need to be banned".
Is it possible they're both stupid, but she's just a little stupider?
In those Couric interviews, we saw Palin/Biden side by side being asked the same Qs. Biden spoke at length and gave good asnwers. Palin claimed to read every newspaper and said she'd get back to COuric with answers later.
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Telling a cripple to "stand up" trumps ANYTHING Palin has ever done,will ever do or could ever think to do.Why do you think Biden has ALWAYS been dubbed "the dumbest man in the senate" by conservatives.Ever see him question Judge Roberts.He had twenty minutes to ask questions and took 18 minutes talking about himself.It was humiliating.He is an emty suit and a moron.Remember this quote "dam the science steroids need to be banned".
Did Biden really say that? ??? Has Biden ever been institutionalized? ???
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Yes, we can all agree that Palin, Coulter, and Kennedy have no business being NY Senators.
I'm totally against the whole aristocracy thing. The author of the original article seems like a fcuking idiot.
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:D
Neil Diamond-Sweet Caroline
"Sweet Caroline" is a pop song written and performed by Neil Diamond and officially released on September 16, 1969, as a single.
To fans across the world, it is one of the emblematic songs of the 60s, a rousing, catchy love song to a girl known simply as Sweet Caroline. Now, almost 40 years after its release, the singer and songwriter Neil Diamond has revealed the inspiration behind the song: the Caroline in question was Caroline Kennedy, now the only surviving child of president John F Kennedy.
"I've never discussed it with anybody before - intentionally," Diamond, 66, told Associated Press. "I thought maybe I would tell it to Caroline when I met her someday."
Diamond came clean, telling both the press and the song's subject about its origin, when he finally met the now Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg, and performed the song for her 50th birthday.
"It was a No 1 record and probably is the biggest, most important song of my career, and I have to thank her for the inspiration," he said.
"I'm happy to have gotten it off my chest and to have expressed it to Caroline. I thought she might be embarrassed, but she seemed to be struck by it and really, really happy."
The inspiration for the song came from a photograph of the then nine-year-old Kennedy the singer saw in a magazine while staying at a hotel in Memphis.
"It was a picture of a little girl dressed to the nines in her riding gear, next to her pony," Diamond said. "It was such an innocent, wonderful picture, I immediately felt there was a song in there."
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It's great to prop up undeserving people with positions of power so we can admire them. More royalty:
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Here is a sketch of Henry the 8th as a baby. There were songs written about him. He deserves to be the next NY Senator.
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Amen. No more Bushes, Clintons, Doles, Kennedys, et al. Enough with all these phonies.
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Is it possible they're both stupid, but she's just a little stupider?
In those Couric interviews, we saw Palin/Biden side by side being asked the same Qs. Biden spoke at length and gave good asnwers. Palin claimed to read every newspaper and said she'd get back to COuric with answers later.
Wow,you must really hear what you want.Biden told Couric that FDR was president in 1929 and then went on television to calm the countrys fear.FDR was not president in 1929 and TV hadnt been invented for public use then.Please name ONE thing Palin said that was more error filled or dumber then that?
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Amen. No more Bushes, Clintons, Doles, Kennedys, et al. Enough with all these phonies.
preach on brother love.
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Wow,you must really hear what you want.Biden told Couric that FDR was president in 1929 and then went on television to calm the countrys fear.FDR was not president in 1929 and TV hadnt been invented for public use then.Please name ONE thing Palin said that was more error filled or dumber then that?
1. "As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where– where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border." --Sarah Palin, explaining why Alaska's proximity to Russia gives her foreign policy experience, interview with CBS's Katie Couric, Sept. 24, 2008 (Watch video clip)
2. "We believe that the best of America is not all in Washington, D.C. ... We believe that the best of America is in these small towns that we get to visit, and in these wonderful little pockets of what I call the real America, being here with all of you hard working very patriotic, um, very, um, pro-America areas of this great nation." --Sarah Palin, speaking at a fundraiser in Greensoboro, N.C., Oct. 16, 2008
3. "Ohh, good, thank you, yes." --Sarah Palin, after a notorious Canadian prank caller complimented her on the documentary about her life, Hustler's "Nailin Paylin," Nov. 1, 2008 (Read more about the prank call, watch the video and see the transcript)
4. "Well, let's see. There's ― of course in the great history of America there have been rulings that there's never going to be absolute consensus by every American, and there are those issues, again, like Roe v. Wade, where I believe are best held on a state level and addressed there. So, you know, going through the history of America, there would be others but ―" --Sarah Palin, unable to name a Supreme Court decision she disagreed with other than Roe vs. Wade, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008 (Watch video clip)
5. "All of 'em, any of 'em that have been in front of me over all these years." --Sarah Palin, unable to name a single newspaper or magazine she reads, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008 (Watch video clip)
6. "They are also building schools for the Afghan children so that there is hope and opportunity in our neighboring country of Afghanistan." --Sarah Palin, speaking at a fundraiser in San Francisco, Oct. 5, 2008
7. "[T]hey're in charge of the U.S. Senate so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes that will make life better for Brandon and his family and his classroom." --Sarah Palin, getting the vice president's constitutional role wrong after being asked by a third grader what the vice president does, interview with NBC affiliate KUSA in Colorado, Oct. 21, 2008 (Watch video clip)
8. "I told the Congress, 'Thanks, but no thanks,' on that Bridge to Nowhere." –Sarah Palin, who was for the Bridge to Nowhere before she was against it
9. "If [the media] convince enough voters that that is negative campaigning, for me to call Barack Obama out on his associations then I don't know what the future of our country would be in terms of First Amendment rights and our ability to ask questions without fear of attacks by the mainstream media." --Sarah Palin, getting First Amendment rights backwards while suggesting that criticism of her is unconstitutional, radio interview with WMAL-AM, Oct. 31, 2008
10. "I'm the mayor, I can do whatever I want until the courts tell me I can't.'" --Sarah Palin, as quoted by former City Council Member Nick Carney, after he raised objections about the $50,000 she spent renovating the mayor's office without approval of the city council
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Caroline Kennedy For Senate
BERNIE QUIGLEY
It could be said that the war on Iraq was brought on by the tenacious will and determination of one man, George W. Bush, and the lack of it by many others.
Yet several have distinguished themselves as noble and fearless individuals in this season of the expedient — like Sen. Robert Byrd (D), the Gray Champion from West Virginia, who, recalling the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, opposed the invasion from the start. Another was Susan Eisenhower, who crossed party lines and abandoned her family tradition — one of the most respected in American history — to support Barack Obama.
But no one has shown the keen political instinct, timing and leadership of Caroline Kennedy. This long and occasionally dreary presidential race found its turning point when Kennedy, in an op-ed letter to The New York Times, endorsed Obama for president. Just before, The New York Times had endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), as expected. But the Kennedy endorsement turned the corner for Obama. The next day, Caroline’s Uncle Teddy followed suit and the Democratic Party took a new, restorative direction.
This is true and natural leadership and people with this gift should be drafted into government.
The entire presidential race has exposed a weakness in leadership and a decline of substance in the Democratic Party. The presidency is a management position, and the Democratic rank and file has shown little interest in its competent managers. Governors of the greatest ability, like Virginia’s former Gov. Mark Warner and Kansas’s Kathleen Sebelius, were ignored, as were managers of important states like Pennsylvania’s Ed Rendell and most complex and creative places, like New York’s Independent mayor, Mike Bloomberg.
Classically, the Senate requires a different style of leadership as senators should be sent to learn, discuss and advise. And they should bring something with them. Ideally, an individual should have varied experience to bring to this task and senators should come from varied walks of life.
As a mother, a lawyer, a very successful charity worker and fundraiser and a true-blue New Yorker, Kennedy brings a wealth of experience to this task and it is the kind of varied experience the Senate calls for. She has exactly the kind of background needed for the job.
That she comes with a famous name cannot be separated from her or from us. As a child, playing at her father’s feet in the Oval Office is one of the most charmed moments of the post-war period; a moment recalled as our own world family’s.
But when we respond to the name of a well-known historical figure known for character or cunning, be it Eisenhower or Kennedy, it is far different than the fame of an actor or celebrity. We recall something within ourselves of the highest order and something we need to find within ourselves to survive and flourish.
Yet there is no telling if they can and will deliver, and choosing a family name has historically brought disappointment, even led to the degeneration of the process to narrow generational identification and even to the monarchist tendency.
There will be none of this with Caroline Kennedy. In fact, her presence in the Senate and as a political representative of New York will have a restorative effect. It will help to reverse this trend by raising the standard of leadership back to the highest standard.
And here in the Northeast and everywhere, Caroline Kennedy in the Senate could also conceivably begin to heal an ache that has been felt these past 40-some years from the loss of a gift which was given to us, then taken away. Something to which we should hold fast to this time and not let go.
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Yeah, because their incompetence and stupidity would only be eclipsed by her own , you know.
What a joke this is. The liberal hacks who attacked Palin while clamoring for this valley girl are showing themselves to be the hypocrites they always are.
I'm a liberal but I'm no hack. Caroline Kennedy is a cut above Palin but just barely; she does not belong in the Senate. >:(
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I'm a liberal but I'm no hack. Caroline Kennedy is a cut above Palin but just barely; she does not belong in the Senate. >:(
Ok, but I said those who attacked Palin while clamoring for Kennedy are hacks. If you do not support Kennedy it does not apply to you.
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;)
Why Caroline Kennedy Should Be Senator
Those whom have been loyal readers of We, the People!! are aware that Hillary Clinton, the ex-first lady of the USA and current US Senator from New York, as well as US Secretary of State-designee for the Obama Administration, was endorsed here to be president of the US in the recent presidential campaign. When it became clear in June 2008 that Barack Obama would win the democratic nomination for president, We, the People!! enthusiastically endorsed Obama, and published repeated articles of support for him.
The transition from Clinton to Obama was actually easy to do. After all, they espoused very similar ideals and programs for the country. Although it took others a bit more time to make this move, it is clear that the vast majority of Clinton supporters did so, based upon the final presidential vote in the various states where Clinton had won primaries, most notably, but not exclusively, in the Midwest.
So it is a bit discouraging to witness, at this late date, ardent Clinton supporters rejecting Caroline Kennedy as their choice for appointment by the governor of New York State to fill the senate seat that Hillary Clinton will leave when she is confirmed Secretary of State. One would expect that type of prejudice from right-wing Kennedy-haters, but not from supporters of Hillary. Their motivation seems to be that both Caroline Kennedy and US senator Ted Kennedy endorsed Barack Obama over Clinton during the primary season in January 2008.
This highly emotional bitterness on the part of some die-hard Clinton supporters is misguided and reckless. It is no different than people voting against someone because of the way they comb their hair, and is a testament to the way human emotions can sometimes (or frequently, with some folks) outweigh human logic.
The truth is that Caroline Kennedy is an accomplished lawyer who has written books about the US Bill of Rights, has defended civil rights, and has worked to expand education, health care, interest in the arts, and equality, to name a few. She has spent most of her adult life in public service. In this era of executive branch abuse and suspension of habeas corpus and constitutional rights, one would think that anyone with a resume such as Caroline Kennedy’s would be a welcome addition to the US government.
She also has a keen understanding of the political process in the US, having been around it her entire life. Her father was John F. Kennedy (JFK), one of the most beloved presidents in US history who was assassinated after less than three years in office in 1963. JFK had also served both as congressman and senator from the state of Massachusetts before that.
Caroline’s uncle Robert (Bobby) Kennedy (RFK) served in his brother JFK’s administration as close political advisor and US Attorney General. He continued in the latter capacity under the Johnson administration after his brother died. In 1964, RFK ran for and was elected US senator for the same seat now occupied by Hillary Clinton and pursued by Caroline Kennedy. RFK was assassinated in June 1968 as he was running for president of the USA.
Caroline’s other uncle Edward “Ted” Kennedy has served as US senator from Massachusetts from 1962 to present. He is known as the “Lion of the Senate“. He and Caroline are close.
Caroline also has cousins who have served and are serving as US congressmen. So it is eminently fair to state that she is no stranger to the American politcal system and process.
And in addition to all of the above, she brings with her a quality that some say has not existed in American politics since the death of her father in office, and until the rise of Barack Obama:
Hope.
After eight years of dismal failure of almost every facet of American political, diplomatic, and economic life, hope is exactly what the American people, and in fact the people of the world need most of all. The election of Obama to the American presidency is a great start and to date his cabinet selections are furthering that great feeling of hope in an otherwise dark environment.
Many folks run for politcal office because of personal ego and ambition for both power and monetary gain. Caroline Kennedy has no use for any of those factors. She already comes from one of the most famous families in American history. Her Dad was one of the most revered presidents of all time. She is an acomplished writer, lawyer, and philantropist. She can make more money just doing what she’s doing than she will every make in the US Senate.
Her motives seem to be very similar to Obama’s. She wants to make a difference that will improve peoples’ lives.
That desire to actually help people is never in too great a supply in our government. New York governor David Peterson, as well as those sour-grapes Clinton supporters and all those right-wing kennedy-haters, would do well to remember that.
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Even Paterson said today he has doubts about your girl.
Kennedy is a joke and embarassment to the democrat party if she is picked. Let her run for congress first, then maybe the Senate.
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I have already said that I am not a Caroline fan and do not think he belongs in the Senate—at least not based on her performance so far. If it were my call, she would go back to life in her penthouse.
Still, it is amusing to hear from her critics who appear to have high standards for leadership. Where were your critical voices when Bush/Cheney was running the country into an economic ditch and taking us into an unnecessary war leading to 3000+ dead, 23000+ maimed at a cost approaching a trillion dollars?
Even in its last days, the administration loves to tout that we haven’t suffered another attack since 9/11. I am not impressed by that; the attack they needed to prevent was 9/11. They had ample warnings from more than one source but terrorism was simply not on their prefabricated agenda and they didn’t want to hear anything about it even from folks like Richard Clarke who tried in vain to get them to pay attention.
To me, Caroline in the Senate is laughable, but no more laughable (or damaging) than Bush in the White House. :(
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Prince Charles should be considered for NY Senator as well. After painstackenly cutting and pasting someone else's writings I took the time to highlight what I took upon myself to deem important. ;D
Education
Charles first attended Hill House School in West London; then the Cheam Preparatory School in Berkshire, England, which his father had also attended; and was finally moved to Gordonstoun, in the north-east of Scotland. It was reported that the Prince despised his time at the latter school, – "Colditz in kilts", as Charles put it – though he did spend two of his terms at the Timbertop campus of Geelong Grammar School in Geelong, Australia, during which time he visited Papua New Guinea on a history trip with his tutor, Michael Collins Persse. Upon his return to Gordonstoun, Charles followed in his father's footsteps in becoming Head Boy, and left in 1967 with two A Levels in History and French.
Tradition was broken again when Charles went straight from secondary school into university, as opposed to joining the military. On the recommendation of Robin Woods, Dean of Windsor, and despite only gaining grades of B and C in his A Levels,[4] the Prince was admitted to Trinity College, Cambridge, where he read anthropology, archaeology, and history, earning a lower second class Bachelor of Arts on 23 June 1970, making him the third member of the Royal Family to earn a university degree.[5] On 2 August 1975, he was subsequently awarded a Master of Arts Degree from Cambridge, per the university's tradition.[5] During his time at post-secondary school, Charles also attended the Old College (part of the University of Wales, Aberystwyth), where he studied the Welsh language and Welsh history, also making him the first Prince of Wales born outside of Wales to ever attempt to learn the language of the principality.
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I have already said that I am not a Caroline fan and do not think he belongs in the Senate—at least not based on her performance so far. If it were my call, she would go back to life in her penthouse.
Still, it is amusing to hear from her critics who appear to have high standards for leadership. Where were your critical voices when Bush/Cheney was running the country into an economic ditch and taking us into an unnecessary war leading to 3000+ dead, 23000+ maimed at a cost approaching a trillion dollars?
Even in its last days, the administration loves to tout that we haven’t suffered another attack since 9/11. I am not impressed by that; the attack they needed to prevent was 9/11. They had ample warnings from more than one source but terrorism was simply not on their prefabricated agenda and they didn’t want to hear anything about it even from folks like Richard Clarke who tried in vain to get them to pay attention.
To me, Caroline in the Senate is laughable, but no more laughable (or damaging) than Bush in the White House. :(
Bush screwed up royally and many of us who voted for him have admitted that.
However, that does not negate the fact that in NYS we have many better qualified people for the job.
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I have already said that I am not a Caroline fan and do not think he belongs in the Senate—at least not based on her performance so far. If it were my call, she would go back to life in her penthouse.
Still, it is amusing to hear from her critics who appear to have high standards for leadership. Where were your critical voices when Bush/Cheney was running the country into an economic ditch and taking us into an unnecessary war leading to 3000+ dead, 23000+ maimed at a cost approaching a trillion dollars?
Even in its last days, the administration loves to tout that we haven’t suffered another attack since 9/11. I am not impressed by that; the attack they needed to prevent was 9/11. They had ample warnings from more than one source but terrorism was simply not on their prefabricated agenda and they didn’t want to hear anything about it even from folks like Richard Clarke who tried in vain to get them to pay attention.
To me, Caroline in the Senate is laughable, but no more laughable (or damaging) than Bush in the White House. :(
It's the "dog that didn't bark" argument.
What person in their right mind is impressed by that.
And it's bizarro that they're bragging about the dog that didn't bark after failing to prevent the worst terrorist attack in history (let's not forget about the anthrax attacks too).
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It's the "dog that didn't bark" argument.
What person in their right mind is impressed by that.
And it's bizarro that they're bragging about the dog that didn't bark after failing to prevent the worst terrorist attack in history (let's not forget about the anthrax attacks too).
AFTER 9/11 - WOULD YOU HAVE BELIEVED WE WOULD NOT BE HIT IN 8 YEARS?????
During Clinton: Twin Towers 93', Cole, Kobar Towers, Marine Baracks in SA, Somalia.
Even OBL said he was emboldened by Somalia and how cowardly we acted over there.
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AFTER 9/11 - WOULD YOU HAVE BELIEVED WE WOULD NOT BE HIT IN 8 YEARS?????
During Clinton: Twin Towers 93', Cole, Kobar Towers, Marine Baracks in SA, Somalia.
Even OBL said he was emboldened by Somalia and how cowardly we acted over there.
Yes and I can't even believe Bush allowed the first one to happen
All the Clinton ones you mention except the 93 bombing were outside the US
OK City was also during Clinton
Let's not forget that it's the President job to protect the country and 911 was the grandaddy of all failures in that regard.
Anyway, only 11 days left and our long national nightmare will soon be over but the stank will linger on
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Yes and I can't even believe Bush allowed the first one to happen
All the Clinton ones you mention except the 93 bombing were outside the US
OK City was also during Clinton
Let's not forget that it's the President job to protect the country and 911 was the grandaddy of all failures in that regard.
Anyway, only 11 days left and our long national nightmare will soon be over but the stank will linger on
so do you blame the liberal god FDR for Pearl Harbor?????????????
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so do you blame the liberal god FDR for Pearl Harbor?????????????
if he had multiple warnings, daily briefing, etc.... then yeah I would.
Plus, FDR actually defeated the country that attacked us.
Too bad Bush can't say that
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One thing we must get passed is the extreme partisanship that makes us compare tit for tat. Analyze each problem individually. Is Caroline a good pick for the senate: NO Did the Bush administration make a bad decision invading Iraq: YES. We could argue about faulty intelligence and reasons why they were persuaded but, ultimately, it was a poor decision.
Seems every time we bring a new issue up for the democrats, it leads back to some mistake of the Bush administration. Lets move forward.
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One thing we must get passed is the extreme partisanship that makes us compare tit for tat. Analyze each problem individually. Is Caroline a good pick for the senate: NO Did the Bush administration make a bad decision invading Iraq: YES. We could argue about faulty intelligence and reasons why they were persuaded but, ultimately, it was a poor decision.
Seems every time we bring a new issue up for the democrats, it leads back to some mistake of the Bush administration. Lets move forward.
I had this very debate with a friend of mine last week who lives in Palm Beach. We were talking about the troubles on Wall Street and when I suggested that it would soon be time for some accountability he basically said, we shouldn't look back; we should simply "move forward." I couldn't believe what I was hearing.
I am a big believer in rewarding people when they do well and holding people accountable when they screw up. My friend thought that investigating the woes on Wall Street would be a big waste of time and we should simply forget about "finding people to blame." WTF!!! :o
Are there other people who feel that way?
I still can't believe people think that the administration not capuring Osama BL is no big deal. >:(
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What does this have to do with Caroline Kennedy? Thats the subject of the thread.
In a topic that is directly influenced by past events & decisions, I understand, but there are many issues that aren't to which people respond by attacking 'the other side'. I hate the two party system.
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I had this very debate with a friend of mine last week who lives in Palm Beach. We were talking about the troubles on Wall Street and when I suggested that it would soon be time for some accountability he basically said, we shouldn't look back; we should simply "move forward." I couldn't believe what I was hearing.
I am a big believer in rewarding people when they do well and holding people accountable when they screw up. My friend thought that investigating the woes on Wall Street would be a big waste of time and we should simply forget about "finding people to blame." WTF!!! :o
Are there other people who feel that way?
I still can't believe people think that the administration not capuring Osama BL is no big deal. >:(
What if he is dead and buried in a cave?
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What if he is dead and buried in a cave?
What if catching him was never a priority to begin with? Surely you remember when the President said he didn't know where OBL was and that he didn't "spend much time thinking about him." He should have been stoned for that! It was an insult to everyone who lost a family in the attack. >:(
Similarly, his assertion to "bring 'em on" was an insult to everyone serving in harms way in Iraq. >:(
This threading is getting a bit off topic so just let me repeat that Caroline is not the best choice for the Senate. :(
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What does this have to do with Caroline Kennedy? Thats the subject of the thread.
In a topic that is directly influenced by past events & decisions, I understand, but there are many issues that aren't to which people respond by attacking 'the other side'. I hate the two party system.
yeah - I agree that it would be good if we can keep these threads on topic or at least close.
Bush deserves his own threads.
btw - so far I'm not impressed with Kennedy but then I don't live in NY and it has no effect on me either way.
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yeah - I agree that it would be good if we can keep these threads on topic or at least close.
Bush deserves his own threads.
btw - so far I'm not impressed with Kennedy but then I don't live in NY and it has no effect on me either way.
I do love in NYS and she is an embarassment. We have many good quality people on all sides of the political isle who will never even get a look at because they are not a famous name or celebrity.
Paterson is only going to pick her for her money raising potential for his candidacy in 2010.
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A life in brief
Born: Caroline Bouvier Kennedy, 27 November 1957, in New York City.
Family: Daughter of US President John F Kennedy and his wife Jacqueline, and sister to John Junior, who was killed in a plane crash in 1999. An elder sister was stillborn in 1956, and another brother, Patrick, died two days after his birth in 1963. She married to Edwin Schlossberg, an interactive media designer at the Metropolitan Museum of Art, in 1986; they have two daughters and a son.
Early life: The family moved into the White House in January 1961. After her father's assassination they moved to Georgetown and then, fleeing from public view, back to New York. She studied at Harvard, graduating in 1979, and later at Columbia Law School, qualifying in 1988.
Career: Shortly after qualifying as a lawyer, "CBK" established the Profile in Courage Awards, and published her first book two years later in 1991. She continued to write and do volunteer work but held few full-time positions, with her most major role being as a fundraiser for New York City schools from 2002-4.[Drawing little attention to herself but working her society and corporate contacts, she raised more than $65m in private financial support for the schools. "She was a workhorse, not a show horse," Mr Klein said last week.] She came out in support of Obama in January 2008. This week she announced her interest in the US Senate seat that is about to be vacated by Hillary Clinton, and which was held by her uncle Robert F Kennedy before his assassination in 1968.
She says: "I feel like I'm a Kennedy Democrat, a Clinton Democrat. Chuck Schumer, Barack Obama, these are all leaders whose values I share, the kinds of values I'd bring to the job."
They say: "Caroline Kennedy can do anything." Michael Bloomberg, Mayor of New York
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(http://www.miamibookfair.com/2007/author_photo/high_res/kennedy_caroline.jpg)
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A life in brief
Born: Caroline Bouvier Kennedy, 27 November 1957, in New York City.
Family: Daughter of US President John F Kennedy and his wife Jacqueline, and sister to John Junior, who was killed in a plane crash in 1999. An elder sister was stillborn in 1956, and another brother, Patrick, died two days after his birth in 1963. She married to Edwin Schlossberg, an interactive media designer at the Metropolitan Museum of Art, in 1986; they have two daughters and a son.
Early life: The family moved into the White House in January 1961. After her father's assassination they moved to Georgetown and then, fleeing from public view, back to New York. She studied at Harvard, graduating in 1979, and later at Columbia Law School, qualifying in 1988.
Career: Shortly after qualifying as a lawyer, "CBK" established the Profile in Courage Awards, and published her first book two years later in 1991. She continued to write and do volunteer work but held few full-time positions, with her most major role being as a fundraiser for New York City schools from 2002-4.[Drawing little attention to herself but working her society and corporate contacts, she raised more than $65m in private financial support for the schools. "She was a workhorse, not a show horse," Mr Klein said last week.] She came out in support of Obama in January 2008. This week she announced her interest in the US Senate seat that is about to be vacated by Hillary Clinton, and which was held by her uncle Robert F Kennedy before his assassination in 1968.
She says: "I feel like I'm a Kennedy Democrat, a Clinton Democrat. Chuck Schumer, Barack Obama, these are all leaders whose values I share, the kinds of values I'd bring to the job."
They say: "Caroline Kennedy can do anything." Michael Bloomberg, Mayor of New York
"Career"? I was looking for the part that talked about her job, but didn't see it. Has this woman really never had a job?
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Get with the program you 2nd rate, lower class, sub-citizen peasants. Royalty is back!
Charles, Prince of Wales
Royalty
Name at birth: Charles Philip Arthur George Windsor
The eldest child of Queen Elizabeth II, Charles is the heir to the British throne. He was born to Elizabeth and Prince Philip in 1948, a year after their marriage and four years before Elizabeth became queen. Charles was made Prince of Wales in 1958 and served as a pilot and commander in the Royal Navy from 1971-76. In 1981 he married Lady Diana Spencer in one of the century's grandest royal weddings. The match proved a bad one; the couple separated in 1992 and were divorced in 1996, the year before Diana's untimely death in a Paris auto crash. The union produced "the heir and a spare," Prince William (born 1982) and Prince Henry (also called Harry, born 1984). After Diana's death, Charles acknowledged having had a lengthy relationship with Camilla Parker-Bowles. After a period of unofficial companionship, the two were married in a civil ceremony on 9 April 2005. Charles is known as a keen outdoorsman who enjoys polo and hunting and is active in environmental issues. Charles also has a special interest in architecture and has been an outspoken (and controversial) critic of much modern architecture in Britain.
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Thats nice but she is not qualified and shouldn't be appointed. Appointments are mostly bullshit anyway, they should have an election.
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Palin/Kennedy discussions=LAUGHABLE
Sarah Palin is an idiot.
Sarah Palin Education Background
Palin attended Hawaii Pacific College in Hilo, Hawaii, in 1982 for a semester, where she majored in Business Administration, and transferred in 1983 to North Idaho College for the 1983-1984 school year. After winning a scholarship, she transferred to Matanuska-Susitna College in Alaska for one term before transferring back to the University of Idaho the following year where she finished out her college education and received a Bachelor of Science degree in communications-journalism from the University of Idaho in 1987, where she also minored in political science.
Caroline Kennedy Education Background
She graduated from Concord Academy in Massachusetts in 1975, and received her A.B. from Radcliffe College at Harvard University in 1979. She earned a J.D. from Columbia Law School in 1988, graduating in the top ten percent of her class, several weeks before giving birth to her first child.
Let the haters continue to hate!
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Lifting veil of privacy, friends discuss Kennedy
By SAMANTHA GROSS, Associated Press Writer Samantha Gross
NEW YORK – When community groups and the Board of Education were caught in an acrimonious dispute over an arts program, education officials brought in a fixer: Caroline Kennedy.
The daughter of a president and niece of two senators listened attentively, asked probing questions and proposed various scenarios to resolve the dispute. Under her prompting, a compromise was reached.
"People were pushing themselves back from the table and folding their arms," recalled Stephanie Dua, chief executive officer of the Fund for Public Schools. "She was very good at defusing the situation. ... She has a very easy style about her but she's very sharp."
The episode is an intriguing glimpse into how Kennedy might fill the role of U.S. senator if she is appointed to replace Hillary Rodham Clinton.
In a series of interviews with The Associated Press, friends and colleagues of Kennedy painted a picture of a reserved but intelligent and tenacious woman who writes her own speeches and who, despite her vast wealth, still takes the subway.
Those interviewed did not provide an impartial view — but, with several speaking publicly for the first time about their relationship, they offered a rare look inside the private world of a woman America fell in love with decades ago as she rode her pony over the White House lawn.
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Much was made of Kennedy's decision last January to support Barack Obama's presidential campaign, but she is no stranger to politics. Paul G. Kirk Jr. remembers meeting her at the age of 16 or so, soaking in as much as she could while on the campaign trail with her uncle Teddy.
She was "lively, engaged, inquisitive," said the family friend and former head of the Democratic Party. "She might hear two or three people ask the senator the same question if he was in a forum. They'd get back in the car, and she'd follow up."
By the time she was in Columbia University Law School more than a decade later, her intellectual curiosity, and her studiousness, still made an impression.
"She's the A-plus student who does 110 percent," said classmate, friend and eventual co-author Ellen Alderman. "We were nerds ... the two Type A personalities who had worked very hard in school."
Inspired by some of their law school case studies, Kennedy and Alderman had a book proposal completed before they graduated. Soon they were traveling the country, interviewing people who had been caught up in civil rights cases for "In Our Defense: The Bill of Rights in Action."
Kennedy was very good at putting their interviewees at ease, Alderman said. There was never any talk then of a political career, she said, but looking back she's unsurprised.
"For me now it seems very natural," she said. "The most important part of the research we did was talking to people and listening to them. And she's terrific on the legal end, on the analysis and the issues, and she's terrific on the people end, on understanding how the law and government affects people every day."
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Kennedy had her first daughter, Rose, around the same time she graduated from Columbia in 1988, and her professional life took shape around her children.
When Alderman became pregnant, she recalls, Kennedy became her "mommy mentor," showing her what she needed to pack a diaper bag, and giving her advice on work: "You can still do it, you're just not going to have eight, 10, 12 hours at a time," Alderman recalls her saying.
Kennedy had help around the house, but she never delegated parenting — picking her three kids up from school and knowing who their friends were and where they were, said Esther Newberg, her friend and literary agent. Kennedy joined the board at her children's school, and colleagues said she'd never attend a meeting if it meant missing a recital or another such event.
Kennedy's friends and colleagues talk about what a remarkably "normal" life she lives, but one could argue they're not the best judges. After all, her circle includes famous authors, a co-president of HBO, a former head of the Democratic National Committee, senators and the president-elect.
Kennedy's finances — estimated by some at more than $400 million — never came up, Alderman said. The co-authors swapped who paid for dinner, and they flew coach. Kennedy has an assistant but does not use a driver, takes the subway around New York and books her own flights, friends said.
Her six-room apartment is at an exclusive address on Park Avenue where a larger unit was recently listed for $13 million. Friends describe it as a low-key place covered with books and decorated with slip-covered sofas.
Kennedy and her husband, museum designer Edwin Schlossberg, enjoy entertaining, frequently hosting buffet-style gatherings, Newberg said. Sometimes, he cooks.
Like thousands of New Yorkers, the couple hosted a debate-watching party the night of the face-off between vice presidential candidates Sarah Palin and Joe Biden. Talkative guests were shuffled into a separate room with a television so the true political junkies could hunker down in the den and hear every word.
When she wasn't playing hostess, Caroline Kennedy chose the den.
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Compared to the sharp-elbowed style common among New York politicians, Kennedy's personality in a series of recent media interviews has seemed quiet, soft-spoken.
But those who have worked with Kennedy said her sometimes reserved demeanor could be misleading. More than one spoke of an instance where they had watched her listen carefully to each person's point of view, then argue her point calmly but tenaciously until she achieved her goal.
"If you aren't as loud as I am, often people mistake that for not being effective and that's just wrong," said Elaine Jones, the former president of the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, where Kennedy served on the board. "I know how able, substantive and tough-minded Caroline is. Now others have got to see that in her. And she may have to project it."
While she never practiced law, Kennedy did heavy-duty research before board meetings and contributed to detailed legal debates over which cases would be selected by the NAACP fund, Jones said.
Kennedy also has been instrumental in selecting at least some of the John F. Kennedy Profile in Courage Award winners, who are honored for risking their careers to take a stand for their principles.
For the 2000 honor, she persuaded the award committee to select a relative unknown, Hilda Solis, now the likely incoming secretary of labor, said Kirk, a committee member. Kennedy won the panel over with her argument that it was important to acknowledge lesser-known public servants so as to inspire others at every level of government.
Kennedy writes all her own speeches, says another longtime friend and colleague, Heather Campion. Preparing for the 2008 Democratic National Convention, speech writer and strategist Bob Shrum recounted handing her a draft of her speech, only to see her rewrite it from top to bottom.
Kirk said she seems to have taken to heart an oft-repeated family quote that she has included in her speeches again and again over the years: "Each of us can make a difference and all of us must try."
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After years of focusing on her young children, Kennedy began to look for an alternative to the books on which she had been working.
"I'd like to work with people. Being a writer is a solitary job," she told Campion shortly before she went to work for the New York City Board of Education in 2002.
In her 22 months working three days a week at the agency, she was credited with raising tens of millions of dollars and revamping fundraising operations. Friends argue those fundraising skills would serve her well if she's chosen as senator. Whoever is selected by Gov. David Paterson to fill Clinton's seat would have to run for election to the seat in 2010, and — if successful — again in 2012.
Kennedy's endorsement of Obama for the Democratic nomination came at a vital moment in his campaign, and friends said she loved campaigning and seemed invigorated by it.
"Presumably she could have had an appointment," said Campion, who at Kennedy's request broke decades of public silence about their friendship. "There are a lot of great ambassadorships," Campion said she told Kennedy earlier.
There seemed easier ways to contribute without thrusting herself into the intensive public scrutiny that would come with a Senate bid.
However, Campion recounted, Kennedy was unconvinced by the warning.
She said: "But I want to make a difference ... and I love New York."
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Palin/Kennedy discussions=LAUGHABLE
Sarah Palin is an idiot.
Sarah Palin Education Background
Palin attended Hawaii Pacific College in Hilo, Hawaii, in 1982 for a semester, where she majored in Business Administration, and transferred in 1983 to North Idaho College for the 1983-1984 school year. After winning a scholarship, she transferred to Matanuska-Susitna College in Alaska for one term before transferring back to the University of Idaho the following year where she finished out her college education and received a Bachelor of Science degree in communications-journalism from the University of Idaho in 1987, where she also minored in political science.
Caroline Kennedy Education Background
She graduated from Concord Academy in Massachusetts in 1975, and received her A.B. from Radcliffe College at Harvard University in 1979. She earned a J.D. from Columbia Law School in 1988, graduating in the top ten percent of her class, several weeks before giving birth to her first child.
Let the haters continue to hate!
There is/was not a Hawaii Pacific College in Hilo.
I'll summarize Kennedy's professional career:
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What else are those lackeys going to say about Schlossberg?
She is a joke and even Paterson said she lacks qualifications.
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January 7, 2009
Sweet on Caroline
By MAUREEN DOWD
WASHINGTON
Ask not, you know, what your country can, like, do for you. Ask what you, um, can, you know, do for your country.
After a lifetime of shying away from the public spotlight, Caroline Kennedy asked herself what she could do for her country.
Her soft-spoken answer — to follow her father and two uncles and serve in the Senate — got her ripped to shreds in the, you know, press.
I know about “you knows.” I use that verbal crutch myself, a bad habit that develops from shyness and reticence about public speaking.
I always thought that Caroline and her brother, John, had special magic capital in America because of their heartbreaking roles in the Kennedy House of Atreus.
Joe Kennedy, the wily patriarch of the clan, had pioneered the use of Hollywood glamour in pursuit of Washington power. With his glossy pop-culture political magazine, George, John reversed that equation, using his stature as an American political prince to persuade Salma Hayek to pose on the cover of his magazine.
I wrote a column once saying that it seemed like a frivolous use of his time. I thought he should run for office and employ his special clout to make life better for Americans. He died before he had the chance.
So I found it bizarre that when Caroline offered to use her magic capital — and friendship with Barack Obama — to help take care of New York in this time of economic distress, she was blasted by a howl of “How dare she?”
People are suddenly awfully choosy about who gets to go to the former home of Jesse Helms, Strom Thurmond and Robert Torricelli.
Although Americans still have enough British in their genes to be drawn to dynasties, W. has no doubt soured the country on scions. And the camps of the other two New York dynasties — the Clintons (still bitter about Caroline’s endorsement of Obama) and the Cuomos (who’d like that Senate seat for Andrew) — have certainly done their best to undermine Caroline.
Congress, which abdicated its oversight role as the Bush crew wrecked the globe and the economy, desperately needs fresh faces and new perspectives, an infusion of class, intelligence and guts.
People complain that the 51-year-old Harvard and Columbia Law School grad and author is not a glib, professional pol who knows how to artfully market herself, and is someone who hasn’t spent her life glad-handing, backstabbing and logrolling. I say, thank God.
The press whines that she doesn’t have a pat answer about why she wants the job. I’ve interviewed a score of men running for president; not one had a good answer for why he wanted it.
Robert Duffy, the mayor of Rochester, complained that when the would-be senator visited the Democratic headquarters there recently, she did not respond to pictures in a conference room of her father, mother, brother and herself as a little girl. Isn’t it creepy to expect her to emote on cue? Isn’t it more authentic to want to keep some of your most private feelings to yourself?
I know Caroline Kennedy. She’s smart, cultivated, serious and unpretentious. The Senate, shamefully sparse on profiles in courage during Dick Cheney’s reign of terror, would be lucky to get her.
And believe me, she talks a whole lot better than the former junior senator from New York, Al D’Amato, who once wailed that he was “up to my earballs” in some mess, and another time complained to me that those “little Jappies” bring over boats full of cars and then take the boats back empty.
Anyhow, it isn’t how you say it. It’s what you say. Hillary Clinton is a great talker, but she never stood up in the Senate to lead a crusade against any Republican horror show, from Terri Schiavo to the Bush administration’s dishonest push to war.
Sitting in the Senate gallery on Tuesday as senators were sworn in by Dick Cheney, I saw plenty of lawmakers who had benefited from family.
Two Udalls were being sworn in, under the watchful eye of Stewart Udall. Mark Begich, the new senator from Alaska, is the son of a former Alaska congressman. The classy Bob Casey of Pennsylvania, son of the late Gov. Robert Casey, was there in a festive pink tie. John McCain, whose wife’s money and Arizona pull made his Senate election possible, looked on with a smile. Hillary, whose husband paved the way for her to join this club and run for president, chatted with colleagues. Jay Rockefeller wandered about, as did Chris Dodd, son of Senator Thomas Dodd. And Teddy Kennedy, walking with a cane, worked the room with his old brio.
It isn’t what your name is. It’s what you do with it. Or, in the case of W., don’t.
she is right and it's not because she's a friend
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What else are those lackeys going to say about Schlossberg?
She is a joke and even Paterson said she lacks qualifications.
What Patterson said was that her lack of political experience is not helpful to her cause, not that she is not qualified. Nevertheless, I predict she will be appointed and it will be a great thing for New Yorkers. ;)
She is a very smart and very thoughtful person who is humble and has shown great compassion for the poor and working class people of NYC.
It may not mean shit to you, but it says something to me that she did her first televised interview with a black journalist on New York One (Dominic Carter), made a point to make one of her first public appearances with Rev. Al Sharpton at Sylvia's restaurant up in Harlem, and sat on the board of the NAACP. Not to mention to time an energy she spent trying to help improve NYC public schools.
Her ability to easily raise the $100 million it will likely take to campaign in 2010, and her close friendship with the president-elect all work in her favor.
If it is not Caroline Kennedy, it will likely be Andrew Cuomo. And I don't how any of you can complain about selection by birthright given his bloodlines in New York politics. ::)
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You are such a joke and a fanboy.
Its all about $$$$$ just as you said.
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You are such a joke and a fanboy.
Its all about $$$$$ just as you said.
You are such a shithead and a moron. You mentioned Peter King as a potential appointment, as though Patterson would actually select a Republican to replace Hillary. ::) How stupid ARE you?
Of course $$$$$ are important in a New York senatorial race. It takes serious money to run a campaign in New York, otherwise any schmuck could run.
IDIOT
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You are such a shithead and a moron. You mentioned Peter King as a potential appointment, as though Patterson would actually select a Republican to replace Hillary. ::) How stupid ARE you?
Of course $$$$$ are important in a New York senatorial race. It takes serious money to run a campaign in New York, otherwise any schmuck could run.
IDIOT
God forbid a normal New Yorker, like Nita Lowey, be appointed right????
What has Schlonssberg ever done for NY?
SQUAT!
Its all about money, glitz, glamour, and hollywood, just what the NY liberals like.
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Its funny,240 and the rest of this board judges Palin by one interview.Kennedy sounded RETARDED in her interviews and it means nothing because she went to law school.hundreads of thousands go to law school,50 are governors,but somehow,according to the idiots on here,law shool trumps being a governor.This nit wit NEVER HAS HAD A JOB and she wants to make laws for me?
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Its funny,240 and the rest of this board judges Palin by one interview.Kennedy sounded RETARDED in her interviews and it means nothing because she went to law school.hundreads of thousands go to law school,50 are governors,but somehow,according to the idiots on here,law shool trumps being a governor.This nit wit NEVER HAS HAD A JOB and she wants to make laws for me?
So far from what I can tell:
1. Pro Gay Marriage
2. Amensty for illegals
3. Closing down our only nuclear power plant.
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Its funny,240 and the rest of this board judges Palin by one interview.Kennedy sounded RETARDED in her interviews and it means nothing because she went to law school.hundreads of thousands go to law school,50 are governors,but somehow,according to the idiots on here,law shool trumps being a governor.This nit wit NEVER HAS HAD A JOB and she wants to make laws for me?
Palin has had 3 jobs.
TV reporter, where she talked about local high school hockey games.
Mayor. The new mayor admits it's mostly mundane paperwork and you have little power.
Governor. For 18 months, many of which she worked from home. Installed by an oil company that she then gave a contract to on day one, who sitll hasn't built the pipeline they were paid tens of millions to do. Her accomplishments as Gov? Umm....
So there you have it. You wanted to hand her the nuclear football, giving her the power to effectively destory Planet Earth. Why? Because she'd done paperwork as Mayor for a few years, and done 18 months as governor as her hubby sat in the office running 90% of her meetings.
Brilliant ;)
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Complete distortion. She was elected to the City Council twice. She was elected mayor twice. And elected governor.
Kennedy wrote books. No comparison.
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Palin has had 3 jobs.
TV reporter, where she talked about local high school hockey games.
Mayor. The new mayor admits it's mostly mundane paperwork and you have little power.
Governor. For 18 months, many of which she worked from home. Installed by an oil company that she then gave a contract to on day one, who sitll hasn't built the pipeline they were paid tens of millions to do. Her accomplishments as Gov? Umm....
So there you have it. You wanted to hand her the nuclear football, giving her the power to effectively destory Planet Earth. Why? Because she'd done paperwork as Mayor for a few years, and done 18 months as governor as her hubby sat in the office running 90% of her meetings.
Brilliant ;)
You make yourself look foolish everyday.She was VOTED IN as a governor!!Do you understand the concept?SHe put her views up for public consumption and THE PEOPLE voted for her and gave her an 80% approval rating.
She was voted in as mayor.By the way,to say a mayor has little power is as stupid as anything you ever posted.They have tremendous power in their community.Not nationally,but your mayor has a lot more power over you then your senator does.
TV reporter.Well,Kennedy certainly couldnt do that job.She cant speak and has the personality of a rock.YOU KNOW.
Lastly,you are confused.She RAN for the office of vice president.We werent going to give her anything.Unlike Kennedy,she ran and didnt ask for anything.By the way,you voted in a man that thinks JOBS is a three letter word... brilliant.
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Kennedy also seems like a hard left party liner. We need more moderates in politics. She may be smart, but has no political experience to qualify her for that position.
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By the way,Obamas accomplishments as a senator.....umm.
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Complete distortion. She was elected to the City Council twice. She was elected mayor twice. And elected governor.
Kennedy wrote books. No comparison.
Neither of them are fit for the jobs they seek. Neither are the best fit. The best we can hope for is that their handlers would tell them what to read, and make good decisions for them.
Just because Plain had more experience than Caroline doesn't make her a good pick for VP.
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Neither of them are fit for the jobs they seek. Neither are the best fit. The best we can hope for is that their handlers would tell them what to read, and make good decisions for them.
Just because Plain had more experience than Caroline doesn't make her a good pick for VP.
Why are you comparing their qualifications?
My post was highlighting how you distorted Palin's record.
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Why are all the Kennedys such left wingers?
That doesn't make senes to me....
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Complete distortion. She was elected to the City Council twice. She was elected mayor twice. And elected governor.
Kennedy wrote books. No comparison.
a senator runs nothing but his/hers mouth governors are executives
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hundreads of thousands go to law school,50 are governors,but somehow law shool trumps being a governor.
Agree. A person doesn't even remotely have to be close to the brilliant category IQ-wise to get a law degree. Regardless of how one views Palin, it's astonishing how some perceive a law degree as a higher qualification than Governor...and I'm not even a big Palin fan.
C'mon, Governor of ANY state>law degree. Let's be reasonable.
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Why are all the Kennedys such left wingers?
That doesn't make senes to me....
Because they can afford to be. Ever hear the phrase "limosuine liberal"????
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Must be a similar phenomena to the fact that a lot of billionaire Californians are party-line democrats.
Can't fathom it.
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Exactly, they are comfortable with a lot of money and live very well so they don't mind paying a lot in taxes.
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Exactly, they are comfortable with a lot of money and live very well so they don't mind paying a lot in taxes.
Wrong,they do mind paying a lot in taxes.They want YOU to pay a lot in taxes.Ever hear Robert Keenedy jr?This little tool wants to end all sources of energy except for wind.They wanted to put windmills off the coast of Mianasport and he blocked it.It would have interupted his view.You see,they only want everyone else to suffer and sacrifice but they are royalty so they just live by a different set of rules.Hence,Caroline Kennedy ,with ZERO expierance,zero accomplishments having never even held a job,now deciding she is the rightfull person to be senator.They are Kennedys they are entitled.
Look at Patrick.He makes drug laws for us to follow but has been in drug rehab three times.Do as I say,not as I do.
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Wrong,they do mind paying a lot in taxes.They want YOU to pay a lot in taxes.Ever hear Robert Keenedy jr?This little tool wants to end all sources of energy except for wind.They wanted to put windmills off the coast of Mianasport and he blocked it.It would have interupted his view.You see,they only want everyone else to suffer and sacrifice but they are royalty so they just live by a different set of rules.Hence,Caroline Kennedy ,with ZERO expierance,zero accomplishments having never even held a job,now deciding she is the rightfull person to be senator.They are Kennedys they are entitled.
Look at Patrick.He makes drug laws for us to follow but has been in drug rehab three times.Do as I say,not as I do.
RFJ Jr. is an enviro-nut.
Schlossberg wants to cancel the only nuclear power plant we have in the local region called Indian Point. its a disgrace.
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Kennedy's support fading in New York
Posted: 10:38 AM ET
From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney
(CNN) — A majority of New Yorkers hope Gov. David Paterson nominates someone besides Caroline Kennedy to fill the Senate seat soon to be vacated by Hillary Clinton, a new poll suggests.
According to a new survey from Quinnipiac University, 31 percent of New York voters prefer State Attorney General Andrew Cuomo get the job while only 24 percent want Kennedy to get it.
In a poll conducted by Quinnipiac in late December, a third of voters favored Kennedy while 29 percent wanted Cuomo.
Meanwhile, Reps. Carolyn Maloney, Kirsten Gillibrand, and Steve Israel all draw single digit support.
Of course, just one man’s opinion matters in this race — and he's not talking.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
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Bump. :)
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And the award goes to.... Kirsten Gillibrand.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090123/ap_on_re_us/ny_senate_seat (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090123/ap_on_re_us/ny_senate_seat)
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And the award goes to.... Kirsten Gillibrand.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090123/ap_on_re_us/ny_senate_seat (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090123/ap_on_re_us/ny_senate_seat)
The democrat commies are already screaming about her stance on gun control.
What a joke. They are all made for each other.