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Interesting issue.
Judges split on ruling on parental discipline
The state high court orders a new trial for a man convicted of assault
By Ken Kobayashi
POSTED: 01:30 a.m. HST, Jun 20, 2011
A Honolulu man convicted of slugging his 14-year-old stepson in the face and breaking his nose should have been allowed to raise the defense that he was disciplining the teenager, a divided Hawaii Supreme Court ruled this month.
PARENTAL DISCIPLINE DEFENSE
Under state law, parents or guardians are justified in using force against their children. The force must be:
>> “Employed with due regard for the age and size of the minor.”
>> “Reasonably related to the purpose of safeguarding or promoting the welfare of the minor, including the prevention or punishment of the minor’s misconduct.”
>> “Not designed to cause or known to create a risk of causing substantial bodily injury, disfigurement, extreme pain or mental distress or neurological damage.”
Source: Hawaii Revised Statutes
The 3-2 decision set aside the assault conviction against Cedric Kikuta and ordered a new trial because the trial judge refused to permit the jury to consider the parental discipline defense.
The majority held that the seriousness of the injuries alone do not preclude the defense. It should be left to a jury to determine whether the parent was justified in using force, the ruling said.
In dissent, the two justices said at a certain point, the use of force, such as shooting a child, is so unreasonable that the defense should be excluded. Kikuta's actions, the two said, went beyond that point.
The decision is the latest in a series dealing with the controversial issue that has split the courts here on the extent parents can use force to discipline their children.
It addresses for the first time whether the parental discipline defense can apply to a child who suffers "substantial bodily injury."
Summer Kupau, Kikuta's deputy public defender, said they were pleased with the ruling. She called the decision "fair" in upholding parents' rights to the defense and their right to discipline their children.
Loren Thomas, city deputy prosecutor in charge of the prosecutor office's appeals section, said they were disappointed. She said they agree with the dissent.
"But this is the decision of the majority and we must abide by it and it's our intention to retry the defendant," Thomas said.
Previous high court cases dealt with misdemeanor child abuses, but Kikuta's stepson suffered a fractured nose, considered a "substantial bodily injury."
Kikuta, 46, was charged with second-degree assault, which is punishable by up to five years in prison.
During the trial, Circuit Judge Rhonda Nishimura turned down a defense request to have the jury consider the parental discipline defense because the youth suffered "substantial bodily injury."
The altercation on the morning of Sept. 30, 2007, involved the father wanting the youth to clean a carpet stain caused by a dog.
Kikuta, who was in a leg cast up to his hip because of a recent surgery, testified that the youth grabbed one of Kikuta's crutches and swung it at him. Kikuta said he blocked the swing and hit the youth twice but was not aiming at his face.
The youth, 14 at the time, testified he didn't swing the crutch. He said he was punched about five times in the face. He testified that after he fell to his knees, Kikuta punched him on the back of the head two or three times.
At the time, the youth was 5 feet 10 inches to 6 feet tall and weighed about 160 pounds, according to the court record. Kikuta was 5 feet 7 inches tall and weighed as much as 190 pounds.
The jury returned a guilty verdict on the lesser offense of misdemeanor or third-degree assault. Kikuta was sentenced to two months in jail and one year of probation.
The sentence was postponed pending the appeal.
The case also split the Intermediate Court of Appeals, which ordered a new trial by a 2-1 vote because the parental discipline defense was excluded.
The prosecution asked for the high court review.
In the 50-page high court majority decision, Associate Justice Simeon Acoba emphasized they were not condoning illegal force against minors and noted the subjective nature of the issue: What one parent considers discipline may be abuse to another.
But Acoba said a defendant is entitled to have a jury consider a defense no matter how weak the evidence might be to support it.
He focused on the parental discipline law that says the defense is excluded if the force is "designed to cause or known to create a risk of causing substantial bodily injury."
"The statute does not preclude the defense on the ground that the force resulted in substantial bodily injury," he said.
Rather, the "nature of the force" is the key as to whether the defense applies, and the matter should be left to the jury, he said.
Joining him in the opinion were Associate Justice Jim Duffy and Michael Wilson, a substitute associate justice, who also wrote his own concurring opinion.
Associate Justice Paula Nakayama was joined in dissent by Chief Justice Mark Recktenwald.
Nakayama's 13-page opinion cited three previous Hawaii appeals courts' rulings that found the use of force to fall outside parental discipline.
The decisions involved hitting a minor in the face and striking her with a plastic bat until it broke; kicking a girl in the shin, slapping her and punching her in the face; and punching a minor five times and kicking him.
"Likewise, this court has not approved the use of a minimum of two punches to a minor's face resulting in a broken nose and chipped teeth for parental discipline," Nakayama said.
She said "Kikuta's use of force therefore was not moderate or ‘reasonably related' to the (stepson's) welfare."
The trial judge, she said, properly excluded the defense.
Previous cases
A snapshot of past court rulings on whether the use of force was discipline or the crime of abuse: >> A boyfriend of the mother of a 17-year-old boy kicked and slapped the teen when he failed to correctly grate cheese for tacos. DISCIPLINE.
>> A mother hit her 14-year-old daughter with a backpack, a plastic hanger, a small brush and a tool’s plastic handle. The girl was doing poorly in school and was hanging out with friends instead of attending tutoring. DISCIPLINE.
>> A boyfriend of the mother of a 14-year-old girl hit the teen on both sides of her face, knocked her to the ground, threw her on a bed, pulled off her pants and underwear, hit her buttocks and hit her with a plastic baseball bat until it broke. The girl had falsified a school report of her grades and attendance. ABUSE.
>> A father kicked his 14-year-old daughter in the shin, slapped her face five to 10 times, stomped on her face and pulled her ears. The girl had run away with her boyfriend the day she was to take a pregnancy test. She was beaten after she didn’t respond when confronted about her relationship with the boyfriend. ABUSE.
>> A father hit his 17-year-old daughter above the knees with a belt and cut her waist-long hair. The girl’s friends were at the home after he warned her not to have them over. DISCIPLINE.
>> A father slapped his daughter in the face, repeatedly punched her in the shoulders and slapped her again. The girl had used profanity. DISCIPLINE.
>> An uncle hit his 11-year-old nephew five times, kicked him and pulled him by the ear and hair. The boy was angry at his uncle and left him when they were stopped at a gas station. ABUSE.
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/20110620__Judges_split_on_ruling_on_parental_discipline.html
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If I read it correctly, it is not saying the force wasn't unreasonable, just that the jury needs to have the opportunity to consider the parental discipline exception. Once they consider it, they can put it aside or apply it whichever the facts indicate.
I don't have a huge problem with that. In general jurys will have no problem cutting through the BS and delivering the right verdict if the defense doesn't fit.
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If I read it correctly, it is not saying the force wasn't unreasonable, just that the jury needs to have the opportunity to consider the parental discipline exception. Once they consider it, they can put it aside or apply it whichever the facts indicate.
I don't have a huge problem with that. In general jurys will have no problem cutting through the BS and delivering the right verdict if the defense doesn't fit.
That's the way I read the article too. But the bigger question/issue is whether the government should be prosecuting parents who discipline their kids, and how you distinguish discipline from abuse.
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If I had a step-parent/mother's bf who laid into me like some of these cats, I would beat the shit out of them as soon I was able. :)
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That's the way I read the article too. But the bigger question/issue is whether the government should be prosecuting parents who discipline their kids, and how you distinguish discipline from abuse.
"You'll know it when you see it" is the best answer I have.... I've been to a LOT of situations like this. It can be subjective, strike that..it IS subjective. But it's what we have when dealing with humans. Usually a belt across the buttocks or hamstrings is considered acceptable.. a belt across the face is not. A slap in the face is acceptable, putting out a cigarette on their face is not. But.. a belt across the face can be acceptable if Lil Johnny moved as the belt was coming in for a legal hit... and witnesses back up the story. etc etc.
Then you have defensive hits. Little Johnny comes at Step dad and takes a swing. Step dad pops Lil Johnny one time in the face...acceptable. Beats him unconscious, unacceptable..
It's really kind of been "You'll know it when you see it".....
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"You'll know it when you see it" is the best answer I have.... I've been to a LOT of situations like this. It can be subjective, strike that..it IS subjective. But it's what we have when dealing with humans. Usually a belt across the buttocks or hamstrings is considered acceptable.. a belt across the face is not. A slap in the face is acceptable, putting out a cigarette on their face is not. But.. a belt across the face can be acceptable if Lil Johnny moved as the belt was coming in for a legal hit... and witnesses back up the story. etc etc.
Then you have defensive hits. Little Johnny comes at Step dad and takes a swing. Step dad pops Lil Johnny one time in the face...acceptable. Beats him unconscious, unacceptable..
It's really kind of been "You'll know it when you see it".....
I agree with this.
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:o
Texas Mom Gets Probation, Loses Kids, for Spanking her Daughter
By Kevin Boie MYFOXDFW.COM
Published June 21, 2011
Fox News Latino
CORPUS CHRISTI, Texas – A Texas mom has been sentenced to probation and has lost custody of her children for spanking her daughter.
Rosalina Gonzáles of Corpus Christi pleaded guilty on Wednesday to Injury to a Child for swatting the 2-year-old on her buttocks.
According to prosecutors, Gonzáles in December hit the girl with an open hand, leaving some red marks.
Police arrested Gonzáles after the child's grandmother reported the injuries and took the child to a hospital.
Gonzáles will serve five years probation, take parenting classes and follow guidelines laid out by Child Protective Services
KZTV10.com reports that the ruling judge in the case made it clear that spanking is a crime.
"You don't spank children today," Judge Jose Longoria is quoted as having said. "In the old days, maybe we got spanked, but there was a different quarrel. You don't spank children."
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2011/06/21/texas-mom-gets-probation-for-spanking-her-daughter/
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::)
We are a nation of south parks.
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lol! spare the rod...
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LOL that same judge is probably staunchly pro choice...::)
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If I had a step-parent/mother's bf who laid into me like some of these cats, I would beat the shit out of them as soon I was able. :)
Exactly, if a step parent ever touched my child I'd murder them.
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Some judges have no business being judges..
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Now this is abuse . . . .
Woman arrested for allegedly hitting son with a shovel for not doing chores
By Star-Advertiser staff
POSTED: 03:02 a.m. HST, Jul 12, 2011
Police have arrested a 42-year-old Makakilo woman who allegedly assaulted her 15-year-old son with a shovel because he didn't do his chores.
The alleged assault occurred at 8 a.m. Monday. Police arrested the woman at 9:20 a.m. on suspicion of second-degree assault and was issued a 24-hour abuse warning.
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/125395188.html
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Lol. I am sure the woman felt justified at the moment. Hahaha
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Lol. I am sure the woman felt justified at the moment. Hahaha
Yeah. She lost her mind for a minute. :)
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Tough question. I think you can make the argument in some instances that extreme cases of childhood obesity are a form of parental abuse or neglect, but could be difficult to draw lines.
But I do think a 400 pound 12-year-old girl is just criminal.
Should Parents Lose Custody of Extremely Obese Kids?
By MIKAELA CONLEY
July 13, 2011
Parents, in some cases, should lose custody of their severely obese children, argued Dr. David Ludwig, an obesity expert at Children's Hospital Boston, in an opinion piece that ran in the Journal of the American Medical Association Wednesday.
"State intervention may serve the best interests of many children with life-threatening obesity, comprising the only realistic way to control harmful behaviors," Ludwig said in the editorial, which he co-wrote with Lindsey Murtagh, a lawyer and researcher at Harvard's School of Public Health.
"In severe instances of childhood obesity, removal from the home may be justifiable, from a legal standpoint because of imminent health risks and the parents' chronic failure to address medical problems," the authors wrote
The editorial has, unsurprisingly, set off an explosive debate, but it took care to point out that removal from the home was not necessarily the solution for all obese children and should be considered only as a last option in the most extreme of cases.
As an example, the authors cited the case of a 90-pound, 3-year-old girl who came to Ludwig's clinic several years ago. By age 12, she weighed 400 pounds and had developed diabetes, cholesterol problems, high blood pressure and sleep apnea.
Ludwig and Murtagh wrote that state intervention may have been an appropriate response here.
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, approximately 17 percent, or 12.5 million, children and teens are obese. Since 1980, these obesity rates have tripled.
"State intervention would clearly not be desirable or practical, and probably not be legally justifiable, for most of the approximately 2 million children in the United States with a BMI at or beyond the 99th percentile," Ludwig and Murtagh state.
But for kids like Ludwig's 400-pound, 12-year-old patient, or those who have developed life-threatening conditions such as type 2 diabetes, and breathing and liver problems that could kill before the age of 30, temporary foster care may be an appropriate solution, said the authors.
"Initially reading media reports, this sounds like a horror story, where the government would be kicking down doors and taking kids from their homes, but that's not what he's saying," said James Zervios, communications director at the Obesity Action Coalition.
"When a child is being put in harm's way, he may benefit from some type of intervention to teach the child and parents how to exercise and eat healthy," said Zervios. "There's no blanket approach to this situation."
Therapy and education programs should be a first line of offense in treating obese children, Zervios said. But when a parent repeatedly ignores advice and guidance for the child's well-being, government intervention may be an appropriate next step.
"If we give government the option of removing obese children from the home, we know from our experience with child abuse and neglect cases that many child protective service agencies will be too quick to place overweight children in foster care," said Dr. David Orentlicher, co-director of Hall Center for Law and Health at Indiana University of School Law, who disagreed with the idea of state intervention.
"Sometimes it is easier to take a child out of the home than take the time and resources to provide the right solution to the problem."
While Dr. David Katz, founder of the Yale Prevention Center, praised Ludwig as a physician, and found the editorial to be balanced and reasonable, he said there was not enough evidence that the state would do a better job of feeding children than their parents.
"There is no doubt that, whereas starving a child Is an obvious example of abuse, in an age of epidemic childhood obesity, it may be time to look at willful overfeeding in a similar light," said Katz.
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But without having evidence that foster care would benefit a morbidly obese child more than his original caregivers and without knowing cost and benefit tradeoffs when the state takes children from their parents, it's too early to say whether this is an appropriate response, said Katz.
"I do believe that severe obesity in a child is a serious problem," Katz said. "The best approach to it is to prevent it rather than fix it. But when we need to fix it, for now, the state should identify the problem and offer solutions, but not impose them."
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/parents-lose-custody-obesity-children/story?id=14062898
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If enacted, I can see myself on my cell phone at least once a week at the local H.E.B. grocery store near the frozen dessert section calling in a mom who has her 10 yr old 200 lbs daughter waddling with her picking out gallon buckets of generic ice cream
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If enacted, I can see myself on my cell phone at least once a week at the local H.E.B. grocery store near the frozen dessert section calling in a mom who has her 10 yr old 200 lbs daughter waddling with her picking out gallon buckets of generic ice cream
lol
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Breaking a bone = abuse.
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Breaking a bone = abuse.
yes, obviously
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Is this discipline or abuse?
Texas Judge Caught on Video Beating Daughter 'Needs Help'
Published November 03, 2011
Associated Press
This undated image provided by the Aransas County, Texas Court-at-Law webpage shows Aransas County Judge William Adams.
Hillary Adams says that until last week, only a couple of close friends knew about the savage beating she received seven years ago from her father, a Texas judge who handles child abuse cases.
Now the beating is on display to the world on YouTube thanks to a secret video she made, and her father, Aransas County Court-at-Law Judge William Adams, is the subject of a police investigation.
Hillary Adams, 23, says the outpouring of support and encouragement she's received since posting the 2004 video online last week is tempered by the sadness that it's her father lashing her 17 times with a belt and threatening to beat her "into submission." The 8-minute video had been watched nearly 2 million times by Thursday morning.
Nov. 2: Hillary Adams, daughter of Aransas County Court-at-Law Judge William Adams, walks outside her mother's home in Portland, Texas.
In this March 17, 2005, photo Hillary Adams, the daughter of Aransas County Court-at-Law Judge William Adams, practices the piano at her home in Rockport, Texas
"I'm experiencing some regret because I just pulled the covers off my own father's misbehavior after so many people thought he was such a good person. ... But so many people are also telling me I did the right thing," she told The Associated Press outside her mother's home in the Gulf Coast town of Portland, near Corpus Christi.
"He's supposed to be a judge who exercises fit judgment," she said."I cannot stress enough -- I cannot repeat myself enough, that he just needs help."
And she said the videoed attack was not a one-off. "It did happen regularly for a period of time," she told NBC's "Today" show on Thursday.
GRAPHIC WARNING: Click here to see the video
In the same interview, Hallie Adams blamed her ex-husband's bouts of violence on his "addiction," calling it a "family secret." She did not elaborate. Their 22-year marriage ended in 2007.
The judge did not return an AP reporter's call seeking comment early Thursday.
Police in Rockport, where the 51-year-old judge lives, opened an investigation Wednesday after receiving calls from several concerned citizens, Police Chief Tim Jayroe said.
William Adams has been receiving threatening phone calls and faxes at the courthouse since the video went online, Aransas County Sheriff Bill Mills said.
No one answered the door Wednesday at the judge's home, repeated calls to his office rang unanswered and his attorney, William Dudley, did not respond to phone messages seeking comment. A neighbor said she saw Adams and his girlfriend packing luggage, a briefcase and rifles into their truck.
Corpus Christi television station KZTV caught up with the judge while he was getting into his vehicle Wednesday, and he confirmed it was him in the video. But he said it "looks worse than it is" and that he doesn't expect to be disciplined.
"In my mind, I haven't done anything wrong other than discipline my child after she was caught stealing," Adams said. "And I did lose my temper, but I've since apologized."
When told of her father's comments, Hillary Adams said, "it's a shining perfect example of his personality and he believes he can do no wrong. ... He will cover up rather than admit to what he did and try to come clean."
She stressed that she did not post the video as revenge and does not want her father punished. Rather, she did it because she thinks it will force him to seek help, and because he has been harassing her and she thought posting the clip would make that stop.
"We need to reach out to victims and the abusers themselves to get people to realize what it actually is," she said.Hillary, who was 16 at the time, said she secretly videotaped the beating in her bedroom because she "knew something was about to happen." She says her parents were angry at her for using her computer to download pirated content over the Internet.
In the clip's opening seconds, William Adams is heard telling Hillary's mother, "Go get the belt. The big one. I'm going to spank her now." With belt in hand, he turns off the light and tries forcing his daughter to bend over the bed to be beaten, but she refuses.
"Lay down or I'll spank you in your (expletive) face," Adams screams while he lashes her with sweeping blows across the legs, ignoring her wails and pleas for him to stop.
A few minutes into the video, Hillary's mother barks at her to "turn over like a 16-year-old and take it! Like a grown woman!" For about a minute, the ordeal appears to have ended after both parents leave the room and shut the door. But the judge then storms back into the room and the beating resumes.
Hallie Adams said she was "completely brainwashed and controlled" by her ex-husband.
"I did every single thing that he did," she told NBC. Hillary Adams said she is not angry at her mother.
Child advocates roundly condemned the beating as abuse. But investigators may decide that the judge's actions, while shocking, weren't criminal.
The lines between what's deemed child abuse and what's considered an acceptable level of discipline differ across the country and among various social groups, though the use of objects such as belts and sticks is usually seen as beyond any normal physical punishment, said David Finkelhor, a University of New Hampshire sociology professor who heads the school's Crimes against Children Research Center.
Adams, Aransas County's top judge, was elected in 2001 and has dealt with at least 349 family law cases in the past year alone, nearly 50 of which involved state caseworkers seeking determine whether parents were fit to raise their children.
Patrick Crimmins, a spokesman for the state Department of Family and Protective Services, said in an email that the agency is aware of the video and "will take the appropriate steps in this matter." He said the agency would have no further comment.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/03/texas-judge-caught-on-video-beating-daughter-needs-help/
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Above example is blatant abuse. Your children are not a punching/whipping bag.
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That's the way I read the article too. But the bigger question/issue is whether the government should be prosecuting parents who discipline their kids, and how you distinguish discipline from abuse.
Didn't this guy punch his son in the face and break his nose? I'd consider that stepping over the line.
I've had plenty of beatings when I was a kid and I'll spank my children for discipline as well, but punching your kid in the face doesn't fall under that category IMO.
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Didn't this guy punch his son in the face and break his nose? I'd consider that stepping over the line.
I've had plenty of beatings when I was a kid and I'll spank my children for discipline as well, but punching your kid in the face doesn't fall under that category IMO.
I pretty much agree, if you're talking about discipline. Only exception I'd make is if the kid took a swing at the parent, or something like that.
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Is this discipline or abuse?
Texas Judge Caught on Video Beating Daughter 'Needs Help'
Published November 03, 2011
Associated Press
This undated image provided by the Aransas County, Texas Court-at-Law webpage shows Aransas County Judge William Adams.
Hillary Adams says that until last week, only a couple of close friends knew about the savage beating she received seven years ago from her father, a Texas judge who handles child abuse cases.
This one is flat out abuse.
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You questioning this?
Is this discipline or abuse?
Texas Judge Caught on Video Beating Daughter 'Needs Help'
Published November 03, 2011
Associated Press
This undated image provided by the Aransas County, Texas Court-at-Law webpage shows Aransas County Judge William Adams.
Hillary Adams says that until last week, only a couple of close friends knew about the savage beating she received seven years ago from her father, a Texas judge who handles child abuse cases.
Now the beating is on display to the world on YouTube thanks to a secret video she made, and her father, Aransas County Court-at-Law Judge William Adams, is the subject of a police investigation.
Hillary Adams, 23, says the outpouring of support and encouragement she's received since posting the 2004 video online last week is tempered by the sadness that it's her father lashing her 17 times with a belt and threatening to beat her "into submission." The 8-minute video had been watched nearly 2 million times by Thursday morning.
Nov. 2: Hillary Adams, daughter of Aransas County Court-at-Law Judge William Adams, walks outside her mother's home in Portland, Texas.
In this March 17, 2005, photo Hillary Adams, the daughter of Aransas County Court-at-Law Judge William Adams, practices the piano at her home in Rockport, Texas
"I'm experiencing some regret because I just pulled the covers off my own father's misbehavior after so many people thought he was such a good person. ... But so many people are also telling me I did the right thing," she told The Associated Press outside her mother's home in the Gulf Coast town of Portland, near Corpus Christi.
"He's supposed to be a judge who exercises fit judgment," she said."I cannot stress enough -- I cannot repeat myself enough, that he just needs help."
And she said the videoed attack was not a one-off. "It did happen regularly for a period of time," she told NBC's "Today" show on Thursday.
GRAPHIC WARNING: Click here to see the video
In the same interview, Hallie Adams blamed her ex-husband's bouts of violence on his "addiction," calling it a "family secret." She did not elaborate. Their 22-year marriage ended in 2007.
The judge did not return an AP reporter's call seeking comment early Thursday.
Police in Rockport, where the 51-year-old judge lives, opened an investigation Wednesday after receiving calls from several concerned citizens, Police Chief Tim Jayroe said.
William Adams has been receiving threatening phone calls and faxes at the courthouse since the video went online, Aransas County Sheriff Bill Mills said.
No one answered the door Wednesday at the judge's home, repeated calls to his office rang unanswered and his attorney, William Dudley, did not respond to phone messages seeking comment. A neighbor said she saw Adams and his girlfriend packing luggage, a briefcase and rifles into their truck.
Corpus Christi television station KZTV caught up with the judge while he was getting into his vehicle Wednesday, and he confirmed it was him in the video. But he said it "looks worse than it is" and that he doesn't expect to be disciplined.
"In my mind, I haven't done anything wrong other than discipline my child after she was caught stealing," Adams said. "And I did lose my temper, but I've since apologized."
When told of her father's comments, Hillary Adams said, "it's a shining perfect example of his personality and he believes he can do no wrong. ... He will cover up rather than admit to what he did and try to come clean."
She stressed that she did not post the video as revenge and does not want her father punished. Rather, she did it because she thinks it will force him to seek help, and because he has been harassing her and she thought posting the clip would make that stop.
"We need to reach out to victims and the abusers themselves to get people to realize what it actually is," she said.Hillary, who was 16 at the time, said she secretly videotaped the beating in her bedroom because she "knew something was about to happen." She says her parents were angry at her for using her computer to download pirated content over the Internet.
In the clip's opening seconds, William Adams is heard telling Hillary's mother, "Go get the belt. The big one. I'm going to spank her now." With belt in hand, he turns off the light and tries forcing his daughter to bend over the bed to be beaten, but she refuses.
"Lay down or I'll spank you in your (expletive) face," Adams screams while he lashes her with sweeping blows across the legs, ignoring her wails and pleas for him to stop.
A few minutes into the video, Hillary's mother barks at her to "turn over like a 16-year-old and take it! Like a grown woman!" For about a minute, the ordeal appears to have ended after both parents leave the room and shut the door. But the judge then storms back into the room and the beating resumes.
Hallie Adams said she was "completely brainwashed and controlled" by her ex-husband.
"I did every single thing that he did," she told NBC. Hillary Adams said she is not angry at her mother.
Child advocates roundly condemned the beating as abuse. But investigators may decide that the judge's actions, while shocking, weren't criminal.
The lines between what's deemed child abuse and what's considered an acceptable level of discipline differ across the country and among various social groups, though the use of objects such as belts and sticks is usually seen as beyond any normal physical punishment, said David Finkelhor, a University of New Hampshire sociology professor who heads the school's Crimes against Children Research Center.
Adams, Aransas County's top judge, was elected in 2001 and has dealt with at least 349 family law cases in the past year alone, nearly 50 of which involved state caseworkers seeking determine whether parents were fit to raise their children.
Patrick Crimmins, a spokesman for the state Department of Family and Protective Services, said in an email that the agency is aware of the video and "will take the appropriate steps in this matter." He said the agency would have no further comment.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/03/texas-judge-caught-on-video-beating-daughter-needs-help/
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Should have stayed off the internet. L-O-L!
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You questioning this?
that's what I thought... He's probably the only one on the net who would ask. He never wants to put his opinion out there for some reason. He'll listen to others and then agree or disagree.
This one is kind of a no shit... If it looks like a scene out of Passion of the Christ, it's abuse dude. lol...
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You questioning this?
Uh . . . I think I asked the question . . . .
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A punk move by the daughter if this is true: "William Adams, 51, issued a three-page statement Thursday saying his daughter posted the clip to get back at him for telling her he would be reducing the amount of financial support he gives her and taking away her Mercedes."
Police Won't File Charges Against Texas Judge Caught on Video Beating Daughter
Published November 03, 2011
Associated Press
This undated image provided by the Aransas County, Texas Court-at-Law webpage shows Aransas County Judge William Adams.
A Texas family law judge whose daughter secretly videotaped him savagely beating her seven years ago won't face criminal charges because too much time has elapsed, police said Thursday.
Aransas County Court-at-Law Judge William Adams likely would have been charged with causing injury to a child or other assault-related offenses for the 2004 beating of his then-16-year-old daughter, but the five-year statutes of limitations expired, Rockport Police Chief Tim Jayroe said.
"We believe that there was a criminal offense involved and that there was substantial evidence to indicate that and under normal circumstances ... a charge could have been made," Jayroe said. He said the district attorney determined he couldn't bring charges, and that police would discuss the case with federal prosecutors even though he doesn't believe federal charges would apply.
Nov. 2: Hillary Adams, daughter of Aransas County Court-at-Law Judge William Adams, walks outside her mother's home in Portland, Texas.
In this March 17, 2005, photo Hillary Adams, the daughter of Aransas County Court-at-Law Judge William Adams, practices the piano at her home in Rockport, Texas
Hillary Adams, now 23, posted the 8-minute clip on YouTube last week that shows her father viciously lashing her with a belt and trying to force her to bend over her bed to be beaten despite her wails and pleas to stop. The clip had received more than 2.4 million hits as of Thursday, and police began investigating Wednesday after hearing from concerned citizens.
GRAPHIC WARNING: Click here to see the video
William Adams, 51, issued a three-page statement Thursday saying his daughter posted the clip to get back at him for telling her he would be reducing the amount of financial support he gives her and taking away her Mercedes. The statement did not include an apology for the beating, but he told Corpus Christi television station KZTV on Wednesday that the video "looks worse than it is," that he had already apologized to his daughter and that he was just disciplining his child for stealing.
Hillary Adams says her parents were angry because she had downloaded pirated content online, and that she turned on the camera because she sensed something was going to happen.
William Adams, who presides over child abuse cases, is still being investigated by the state's judicial conduct commission and the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services, which on Thursday requested that he be removed from its cases until the investigation concludes.
Patrick Crimmins, a spokesman for the agency, declined to elaborate on the exact nature of the investigation. But he said that in general, the agency would only investigate a case in which a suspected abuse victim has already reached adulthood if there are still children in the home who could be at risk. Adams was granted joint custody of his 10-year-old daughter in his 2007 divorce.
There are no allegations of alleged abuse by Adams against his younger daughter, who primarily resides with her mother, Hallie Adams. Crimmins declined to say whether his agency is investigating the parental fitness of Hallie Adams, who lashed Hillary once during the 2004 beating.
Crimmins said his agency ordinarily wouldn't disclose that it is investigating someone, but that it did in this case because the investigation is the reason it requested that William Adams be taken off its cases.
Jayroe said that police did not interview the younger daughter, but asked both Hallie and Hillary Adams about it and there was no indication of abuse of the younger daughter.
In his statement Thursday, Adams said he would "respond" to all investigations. As Aransas County's top judge, he has dealt with at least 349 family law cases in the past year alone, nearly 50 of which involved state caseworkers seeking determine whether parents were fit to raise their children.
County officials confirmed that Adams will not hear cases related to Child Protective Services for at least the next two weeks. And the top administrator in Aransas County cast doubt on whether Adams could credibly return to the bench.
"I would think it would be very difficult," said Aransas County Judge C.H. "Burt" Mills Jr. "Personally I don't see how he can recover from this."
If the judicial commission and police investigations don't lead to punishment or charges, Adams could be safe on the bench until he's up for re-election in three years.
Hillary Adams said she waited so long to expose her father because she was terrified at what might have happened had she done so while still living under his roof. She said the outpouring of support and encouragement she's received since posting the clip is tempered by the sadness that it's her father repeatedly lashing her with a belt and threatening to beat her "into submission."
During an interview with her and her mother Thursday on NBC's "Today" show, Hillary Adams said her father regularly beat her for a period of time. She has repeatedly said she didn't post the clip to spite her father, and that she hopes it forces him to seek help.
Her mother blamed her ex-husband's bouts of violence on an "addiction." She called it a "family secret," but declined to elaborate.
In his statement, though, William Adams painted a starkly different picture of why his daughter posted the clip.
"Just prior to the YouTube upload, a concerned father shared with his 23-year-old daughter that he was unwilling to continue to work hard and be her primary source of financial support, if she was going to simply `drop out,' and strive to achieve no more in life than to work part time at a video game store," Adams' statement said. "Hillary warned her father if he reduced her financial support, and took away her Mercedes automobile, which her father had provided, he would live to regret it."
Hillary Adams did not immediately respond to email requests Thursday seeking a response.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/03/texas-judge-caught-on-video-beating-daughter-needs-help/
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lol, well since you asked the question and responded to the way you did, I would say that if its you getting the beating then no its not abuse because you are clearly very thick headed and don't understand any other form of communication. If it was anyone else then , yes it's abuse.
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A punk move by the daughter if this is true: "William Adams, 51, issued a three-page statement Thursday saying his daughter posted the clip to get back at him for telling her he would be reducing the amount of financial support he gives her and taking away her Mercedes."
Police Won't File Charges Against Texas Judge Caught on Video Beating Daughter
Published November 03, 2011
Associated Press
This undated image provided by the Aransas County, Texas Court-at-Law webpage shows Aransas County Judge William Adams.
A Texas family law judge whose daughter secretly videotaped him savagely beating her seven years ago won't face criminal charges because too much time has elapsed, police said Thursday.
Aransas County Court-at-Law Judge William Adams likely would have been charged with causing injury to a child or other assault-related offenses for the 2004 beating of his then-16-year-old daughter, but the five-year statutes of limitations expired, Rockport Police Chief Tim Jayroe said.
"We believe that there was a criminal offense involved and that there was substantial evidence to indicate that and under normal circumstances ... a charge could have been made," Jayroe said. He said the district attorney determined he couldn't bring charges, and that police would discuss the case with federal prosecutors even though he doesn't believe federal charges would apply.
Nov. 2: Hillary Adams, daughter of Aransas County Court-at-Law Judge William Adams, walks outside her mother's home in Portland, Texas.
In this March 17, 2005, photo Hillary Adams, the daughter of Aransas County Court-at-Law Judge William Adams, practices the piano at her home in Rockport, Texas
Hillary Adams, now 23, posted the 8-minute clip on YouTube last week that shows her father viciously lashing her with a belt and trying to force her to bend over her bed to be beaten despite her wails and pleas to stop. The clip had received more than 2.4 million hits as of Thursday, and police began investigating Wednesday after hearing from concerned citizens.
GRAPHIC WARNING: Click here to see the video
William Adams, 51, issued a three-page statement Thursday saying his daughter posted the clip to get back at him for telling her he would be reducing the amount of financial support he gives her and taking away her Mercedes. The statement did not include an apology for the beating, but he told Corpus Christi television station KZTV on Wednesday that the video "looks worse than it is," that he had already apologized to his daughter and that he was just disciplining his child for stealing.
Hillary Adams says her parents were angry because she had downloaded pirated content online, and that she turned on the camera because she sensed something was going to happen.
William Adams, who presides over child abuse cases, is still being investigated by the state's judicial conduct commission and the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services, which on Thursday requested that he be removed from its cases until the investigation concludes.
Patrick Crimmins, a spokesman for the agency, declined to elaborate on the exact nature of the investigation. But he said that in general, the agency would only investigate a case in which a suspected abuse victim has already reached adulthood if there are still children in the home who could be at risk. Adams was granted joint custody of his 10-year-old daughter in his 2007 divorce.
There are no allegations of alleged abuse by Adams against his younger daughter, who primarily resides with her mother, Hallie Adams. Crimmins declined to say whether his agency is investigating the parental fitness of Hallie Adams, who lashed Hillary once during the 2004 beating.
Crimmins said his agency ordinarily wouldn't disclose that it is investigating someone, but that it did in this case because the investigation is the reason it requested that William Adams be taken off its cases.
Jayroe said that police did not interview the younger daughter, but asked both Hallie and Hillary Adams about it and there was no indication of abuse of the younger daughter.
In his statement Thursday, Adams said he would "respond" to all investigations. As Aransas County's top judge, he has dealt with at least 349 family law cases in the past year alone, nearly 50 of which involved state caseworkers seeking determine whether parents were fit to raise their children.
County officials confirmed that Adams will not hear cases related to Child Protective Services for at least the next two weeks. And the top administrator in Aransas County cast doubt on whether Adams could credibly return to the bench.
"I would think it would be very difficult," said Aransas County Judge C.H. "Burt" Mills Jr. "Personally I don't see how he can recover from this."
If the judicial commission and police investigations don't lead to punishment or charges, Adams could be safe on the bench until he's up for re-election in three years.
Hillary Adams said she waited so long to expose her father because she was terrified at what might have happened had she done so while still living under his roof. She said the outpouring of support and encouragement she's received since posting the clip is tempered by the sadness that it's her father repeatedly lashing her with a belt and threatening to beat her "into submission."
During an interview with her and her mother Thursday on NBC's "Today" show, Hillary Adams said her father regularly beat her for a period of time. She has repeatedly said she didn't post the clip to spite her father, and that she hopes it forces him to seek help.
Her mother blamed her ex-husband's bouts of violence on an "addiction." She called it a "family secret," but declined to elaborate.
In his statement, though, William Adams painted a starkly different picture of why his daughter posted the clip.
"Just prior to the YouTube upload, a concerned father shared with his 23-year-old daughter that he was unwilling to continue to work hard and be her primary source of financial support, if she was going to simply `drop out,' and strive to achieve no more in life than to work part time at a video game store," Adams' statement said. "Hillary warned her father if he reduced her financial support, and took away her Mercedes automobile, which her father had provided, he would live to regret it."
Hillary Adams did not immediately respond to email requests Thursday seeking a response.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/03/texas-judge-caught-on-video-beating-daughter-needs-help/
Well, when you beat your kid, you take the chance....
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::) Doesn't really matter how it came out or if she had another motive. What's important is what he did. This guy WAS abusing his kid. That beating was way over the line. It looks more like torture to me. How do you think he would have ruled in court if this video were shown as evidence in a case brought before him? This dude has no business being a judge.
A punk move by the daughter if this is true: "William Adams, 51, issued a three-page statement Thursday saying his daughter posted the clip to get back at him for telling her he would be reducing the amount of financial support he gives her and taking away her Mercedes."
Police Won't File Charges Against Texas Judge Caught on Video Beating Daughter
Published November 03, 2011
Associated Press
This undated image provided by the Aransas County, Texas Court-at-Law webpage shows Aransas County Judge William Adams.
A Texas family law judge whose daughter secretly videotaped him savagely beating her seven years ago won't face criminal charges because too much time has elapsed, police said Thursday.
Aransas County Court-at-Law Judge William Adams likely would have been charged with causing injury to a child or other assault-related offenses for the 2004 beating of his then-16-year-old daughter, but the five-year statutes of limitations expired, Rockport Police Chief Tim Jayroe said.
"We believe that there was a criminal offense involved and that there was substantial evidence to indicate that and under normal circumstances ... a charge could have been made," Jayroe said. He said the district attorney determined he couldn't bring charges, and that police would discuss the case with federal prosecutors even though he doesn't believe federal charges would apply.
Nov. 2: Hillary Adams, daughter of Aransas County Court-at-Law Judge William Adams, walks outside her mother's home in Portland, Texas.
In this March 17, 2005, photo Hillary Adams, the daughter of Aransas County Court-at-Law Judge William Adams, practices the piano at her home in Rockport, Texas
Hillary Adams, now 23, posted the 8-minute clip on YouTube last week that shows her father viciously lashing her with a belt and trying to force her to bend over her bed to be beaten despite her wails and pleas to stop. The clip had received more than 2.4 million hits as of Thursday, and police began investigating Wednesday after hearing from concerned citizens.
GRAPHIC WARNING: Click here to see the video
William Adams, 51, issued a three-page statement Thursday saying his daughter posted the clip to get back at him for telling her he would be reducing the amount of financial support he gives her and taking away her Mercedes. The statement did not include an apology for the beating, but he told Corpus Christi television station KZTV on Wednesday that the video "looks worse than it is," that he had already apologized to his daughter and that he was just disciplining his child for stealing.
Hillary Adams says her parents were angry because she had downloaded pirated content online, and that she turned on the camera because she sensed something was going to happen.
William Adams, who presides over child abuse cases, is still being investigated by the state's judicial conduct commission and the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services, which on Thursday requested that he be removed from its cases until the investigation concludes.
Patrick Crimmins, a spokesman for the agency, declined to elaborate on the exact nature of the investigation. But he said that in general, the agency would only investigate a case in which a suspected abuse victim has already reached adulthood if there are still children in the home who could be at risk. Adams was granted joint custody of his 10-year-old daughter in his 2007 divorce.
There are no allegations of alleged abuse by Adams against his younger daughter, who primarily resides with her mother, Hallie Adams. Crimmins declined to say whether his agency is investigating the parental fitness of Hallie Adams, who lashed Hillary once during the 2004 beating.
Crimmins said his agency ordinarily wouldn't disclose that it is investigating someone, but that it did in this case because the investigation is the reason it requested that William Adams be taken off its cases.
Jayroe said that police did not interview the younger daughter, but asked both Hallie and Hillary Adams about it and there was no indication of abuse of the younger daughter.
In his statement Thursday, Adams said he would "respond" to all investigations. As Aransas County's top judge, he has dealt with at least 349 family law cases in the past year alone, nearly 50 of which involved state caseworkers seeking determine whether parents were fit to raise their children.
County officials confirmed that Adams will not hear cases related to Child Protective Services for at least the next two weeks. And the top administrator in Aransas County cast doubt on whether Adams could credibly return to the bench.
"I would think it would be very difficult," said Aransas County Judge C.H. "Burt" Mills Jr. "Personally I don't see how he can recover from this."
If the judicial commission and police investigations don't lead to punishment or charges, Adams could be safe on the bench until he's up for re-election in three years.
Hillary Adams said she waited so long to expose her father because she was terrified at what might have happened had she done so while still living under his roof. She said the outpouring of support and encouragement she's received since posting the clip is tempered by the sadness that it's her father repeatedly lashing her with a belt and threatening to beat her "into submission."
During an interview with her and her mother Thursday on NBC's "Today" show, Hillary Adams said her father regularly beat her for a period of time. She has repeatedly said she didn't post the clip to spite her father, and that she hopes it forces him to seek help.
Her mother blamed her ex-husband's bouts of violence on an "addiction." She called it a "family secret," but declined to elaborate.
In his statement, though, William Adams painted a starkly different picture of why his daughter posted the clip.
"Just prior to the YouTube upload, a concerned father shared with his 23-year-old daughter that he was unwilling to continue to work hard and be her primary source of financial support, if she was going to simply `drop out,' and strive to achieve no more in life than to work part time at a video game store," Adams' statement said. "Hillary warned her father if he reduced her financial support, and took away her Mercedes automobile, which her father had provided, he would live to regret it."
Hillary Adams did not immediately respond to email requests Thursday seeking a response.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/03/texas-judge-caught-on-video-beating-daughter-needs-help/
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This one is flat out abuse.
absolutely
I can't believe anyone would even have any doubt as to whether this is abuse or not
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that's what I thought... He's probably the only one on the net who would ask. He never wants to put his opinion out there for some reason. He'll listen to others and then agree or disagree.
This one is kind of a no shit... If it looks like a scene out of Passion of the Christ, it's abuse dude. lol...
yep and I believe the reason is because he doesn't think this is abuse but is too much of a pussy to say what he believe so he poses it as a question instead of offering his opinion
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So she was on TV with her mother yesterday doing a sit down interview on CNN. She said she had the camera running for about 30 minutes before she got whupped, because she knew she was in trouble.
So, she thinks she is abused, holds onto the tape for six years, chooses to live with her father after the parents divorce, takes his financial support (including adult welfare) and a Mercedes, and only releases the tape when he cuts her off takes away her ride? And the only reason he cut her off and took the car is she dropped out of school?
My name is William A. Dudley. The statement which
follows has been reviewed and approved for circulation by
Judge William Adams.
The seven year old video presently circulating the
internet and now made the basis of international media
attention, showing two parents disciplining their 16 year
old daughter, who had been caught, by her own televised and
internet reported admissions, engaged in repeated criminal
activity, was posted for reasons other than as professed by
the publisher.
It is regrettable that Hillary Adams, a bright and
gifted person, would include in her post that she is or was
a disabled or a special needs child. As multiple media
appearances clearly demonstrate, Hillary Adams is
articulate, possesses a superior IQ, and is capable of
functioning as a productive adult in today’s complex
society. No one should take the affliction of cerebral
palsy lightly. Hillary’s parents did not. Hillary’s
condition was monitored as a child and her medical needs
met. However, neither should a perfectly capable adult try
to use an affliction as a device for media sympathy. It
should now be apparent to the world that “disabled” was
mislabeled.
In response to the internet post, the media has
appropriately attempted to understand why Hillary Adams
chose the present time to disseminate the video. To many,
her answers to those questions have been confusing and
hollow. As she has said by recent interview, she “hoarded”
the secret tape for future use, but has not explained, even
now, for what purpose. Very few people find palatable her
claim that it was to “help” her father.
Perhaps Hillary Adams should explain, if she felt she
was raised by a tyrannical father, a claim shared with no
one until five years after adulthood, why she insisted on
living with her father and not her mother from the time of
her parent’s divorce, until she moved out on her own.
Hillary Adams has been living on her own for some time, and
has been an adult for almost six years, so why post the
video in late 2011?
William Adams is of the opinion that Hillary Adams is
an extremely bright, highly functional, adult. The media
has described her as a piano prodigy, who has competed atCarnegie Hall on multiple occasions. As one of Hillary’s
long term teachers noted in the press, Hillary, so close to
accomplishment, has of recent “inexplicably dropped out,
just two classes shy of completing her [college] studies.”
The video in question was recorded well before Hillary
graduated high school. If the public must know, just prior
to the You Tube upload, a concerned father shared with his
23 year old daughter that he was unwilling to continue to
work hard and be her primary source of financial support,
if she was going to simply “drop out”, and strive to
achieve no more in life than to work part time at a video
game store. Hillary warned her father if he reduced her
financial support, and took away her Mercedes automobile,
which her father had provided, he would live to regret it.
The post was then uploaded. The public may wonder if this
is the tyranny of which Hillary Adams speaks as her reason
to disseminate the video seven years after it was recorded,
and five years into adulthood? Is this the reason she
“hoarded” the video for seven years?
William Adams regrets the interruption and
inconvenience his daughter’s post has caused to the Aransas
County, Texas community. Judge Adams is confident that
when the dust settles and international media attention has
passed, and the work ahead, whether civil, criminal, or
administrative has taken it’s full course and has been
fully developed, with an opportunity for all sides to ask
and answer relevant questions, it will be concluded that
Hillary Adam’s actions in 2011 were misguided and
misleading.
Judge Adams regrets, if true, that his daughter
believes he is in need of healing from the family divorce.
Divorce is certainly traumatic, and takes a significant
toll on all, especially children. Judge Adams is of the
opinion that Hillary’s gesture is little more than a much
needed but hard to believe explanation of why she chose to
post the video. If this entire event was a plea for help
and healing, the methodology is certainly unorthodox.
Judge Adams, who among other reasons, still has a minor
daughter to consider, chooses to involve the media as
little as possible whilst personal family matters are
sorted through. The public may ponder what consideration
Hillary Adams gave her little sister before subjecting the
entire family to world-wide microscopic scrutiny, and
permanent consequences.
It is Judge Adams’ civic responsibility to respond to
whatever investigations may result from a revelation of the
disciplinary actions resorted to by his former wife and him
on the viral video. Those investigations will require
answers to many questions raised by the media and public
and for which no appropriate forum has been chosen to date.
He is confident the process will be managed in accordance
with the law. For the sake of his family, co-workers, and
Aransas County officials who must endure the additional
work and expense, he wishes that the process not be played
out daily on a national stage.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/11/03/judge.adams.statement.pdf?hpt=hp_c1
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bb, you're not playing with a full deck are ya lol...
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bb, you're not playing with a full deck are ya lol...
Bwahahahahaha!!! Now that is the funniest thing I've heard all week. :)
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BB, your thread here is about where the line between discipline and abuse is.
Her motivation for releasing the tape may not be good, but that's not relevant to what the video contains which is abuse imo. Why don't you state whether or not you think this is legit parental discipline or abuse rather than just post the father's side which blames the victim. The video is out, the motivation doesn't change the right or wrong of what it contains... Your thread questions where the line is... Come on BB, is this abuse or not?
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So she was on TV with her mother yesterday doing a sit down interview on CNN. She said she had the camera running for about 30 minutes before she got whupped, because she knew she was in trouble.
So, she thinks she is abused, holds onto the tape for six years, chooses to live with her father after the parents divorce, takes his financial support (including adult welfare) and a Mercedes, and only releases the tape when he cuts her off takes away her ride? And the only reason he cut her off and took the car is she dropped out of school?
none of that changes the fact that he was beating her with a belt
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none of that changes the fact that he was beating her with a belt
and that's putting it lightly. It was full on, full force over and over all over. extreme and excessive assault.
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Sounds to me like BB is trying to justify beating his children through this story.
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BB, your thread here is about where the line between discipline and abuse is.
Her motivation for releasing the tape may not be good, but that's not relevant to what the video contains which is abuse imo. Why don't you state whether or not you think this is legit parental discipline or abuse rather than just post the father's side which blames the victim. The video is out, the motivation doesn't change the right or wrong of what it contains... Your thread questions where the line is... Come on BB, is this abuse or not?
::) I don't know. If you know anything about corporal punishment in the South and in various cultures (which you apparently do not), what that video shows is a kid getting a garden variety "beating." I know lots of parents who whipped their kids that way, especially in the South. It's not the way I discipline my kids, but I'm not about to say it's abuse, especially after learning about the background facts.
And yes, her motivation is relevant. The fact she set this recording up, held it for six years, chose to live with him after the divorce, and only disclosed it after he cut her off and took away her Mercedes shows she probably didn't think she was being abused.
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Sounds to me like BB is trying to justify beating his children through this story.
one thing you can tell about Bum from his posts on this site is that he enjoys both corporal and capital punishiment
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just what I thought, BB is out of his flipping mind lol... definitely not playing with a full deck.
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just what I thought, BB is out of his mind flipping mind lol... definitely not playing with a full deck.
LOL!! I love this place. ;D
lol . . . .
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If that statute of limitations were not up on this, this guy would be doing time over this kind of beating. That BB says he knows lots of parents that would lay this kind of beating on a 16 year old girl is fucking scary.
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::) I don't know. If you know anything about corporal punishment in the South and in various cultures (which you apparently do not), what that video shows is a kid getting a garden variety "beating." I know lots of parents who whipped their kids that way, especially in the South. It's not the way I discipline my kids, but I'm not about to say it's abuse, especially after learning about the background facts.
And yes, her motivation is relevant. The fact she set this recording up, held it for six years, chose to live with him after the divorce, and only disclosed it after he cut her off and took away her Mercedes shows she probably didn't think she was being abused.
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lol . What, no colors? At least throw some red or blue in there. lol . . .
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lol . What, no colors? At least throw some red or blue in there. lol . . .
There you go psycho.
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There you go psycho.
Nice. Thank you. :)
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what kind of person even questions if that is abuse or not
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what kind of person even questions if that is abuse or not
Beach Bum and he apparently thinks that's just garden variety punishment and he knows lots of parents who do the same :-\
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::) I don't know. If you know anything about corporal punishment in the South and in various cultures (which you apparently do not), what that video shows is a kid getting a garden variety "beating." I know lots of parents who whipped their kids that way, especially in the South. It's not the way I discipline my kids, but I'm not about to say it's abuse, especially after learning about the background facts.
And yes, her motivation is relevant. The fact she set this recording up, held it for six years, chose to live with him after the divorce, and only disclosed it after he cut her off and took away her Mercedes shows she probably didn't think she was being abused.
Get help.
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At least throw some red or blue in there. lol . . .
Kinda like how some of your child beatings turn out. Actually a BB disciplinary session isn't totally complete without some purple and black as well. Until then it's only a run of the mill spanking.
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Kinda like how some of your child beatings turn out. Actually a BB disciplinary session isn't totally complete without some purple and black as well. Until then it's only a run of the mill spanking.
It is good for my wonderful country that 911 Troofers like you do not breed. :)
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It is good for my wonderful country that 911 Troofers like you do not breed. :)
Hopefully your kids will break the cycle of abuse.
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Hopefully you're kids will break the cycle of abuse.
Hopefully, you will continue to remain childless so you don't further pollute the gene pool.
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Its really not THAT bad..it only appears bad because shes a girl..if this were a teenage boy it would look less damning..growing up, I have seen my friends get worse than that
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Didn't realize some countries actually outlaw corporal punishment. That's crazy.
When does spanking become abuse?
By Sheree L. Toth, Special to CNN
updated 4:40 PM EST, Fri November 11, 2011
Editor's note: Sheree L. Toth is executive director of the Mt. Hope Family Center and an associate professor of clinical and social sciences in psychology at the University of Rochester.
Rochester, New York (CNN) -- As the director of a leading research center on child abuse, I have seen all too often that what a parent considers legitimate discipline can quickly deteriorate into violence fueled by anger.
Parents often say that they spank their children to teach them how to behave. The word discipline means "to teach," but does spanking really teach children to behave, or does it teach them to solve problems with violence?
At our center, we see many parents who spank their children to teach them not to hit their siblings. Spanking impressionable children may reduce undesirable behavior in the short term. In the long term, however, research shows that it offers children a poor example of how to solve problems or deal with difficult situations.
The posting of the video of a Texas judge beating his 16-year-old daughter with a belt, and the controversy surrounding deaths purportedly associated with the pro-spanking book "To Train Up a Child," have reignited the debate about corporal punishment. Even those viewing the disturbing video differ on whether or not it reflects the appropriate use of discipline. When does spanking cross the line and become physical abuse?
Although corporal punishment has been widely accepted throughout the history of the United States, psychologists and other professionals here are increasingly concerned about the harm it may cause. Many other countries have outlawed the practice, including Austria, Germany, Greece, Kenya, Norway, Romania and Spain. Despite growing evidence against and opposition to corporal punishment in the United States, the practice remains accepted by nearly half of adults and is legal in all states.
Among scientists, there is a consensus that actual physical abuse damages children, directly and over the course of a life. Although not all children who have been abused are affected the same way, decades of research show that child abuse initiates a cascade of negative social, emotional and health-related outcomes.
"Corporal punishment is of limited effectiveness and has potentially deleterious side effects," the American Academy of Pediatrics has said in a policy statement. A 2002 analysis of studies, published in the Psychological Bulletin, concluded that although corporal punishment can make a child obey in the short run, it also is linked with a number of long-term problems, including mental disorders and behavioral difficulties. Spanking in childhood also has been related to criminality.
Too much corporal punishment can also damage the parent-child relationship, as the parent becomes a source of both nurturing and danger. Disconcertingly, spanking in childhood also is associated with approval of hitting a spouse and increased marital conflict.
All the evidence and warnings, however, don't always stop parents from hitting their kids. Personal experiences and emotion continue to dictate whether or not parents choose physical punishment.
The video of the judge beating his daughter is disturbing not only because of the physical violence, but also because of the emotional abuse that is clearly present. Rather than learning not to download computer files, this girl may be learning to hide her behavior from her parents, to avoid bringing them her questions and concerns. She may become more likely to resolve conflict with violence, to become involved with people who are abusive, and eventually to hit her own children.
All parents surely want to raise well-adjusted children. Discipline and structure are key components of doing so. It would be naïve to think that even the most dedicated parents do not sometimes become frustrated with defiant children. There are many ways of disciplining children that are effective and nonviolent. We need to show parents what they are, and to make alternative approaches more widely accessible if we are to avoid tragic outcomes.
The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Sheree L. Toth.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/11/opinion/toth-abuse/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
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Didn't realize some countries actually outlaw corporal punishment. That's crazy.
When does spanking become abuse?
By Sheree L. Toth, Special to CNN
updated 4:40 PM EST, Fri November 11, 2011
Editor's note: Sheree L. Toth is executive director of the Mt. Hope Family Center and an associate professor of clinical and social sciences in psychology at the University of Rochester.
Rochester, New York (CNN) -- As the director of a leading research center on child abuse, I have seen all too often that what a parent considers legitimate discipline can quickly deteriorate into violence fueled by anger.
Parents often say that they spank their children to teach them how to behave. The word discipline means "to teach," but does spanking really teach children to behave, or does it teach them to solve problems with violence?
At our center, we see many parents who spank their children to teach them not to hit their siblings. Spanking impressionable children may reduce undesirable behavior in the short term. In the long term, however, research shows that it offers children a poor example of how to solve problems or deal with difficult situations.
The posting of the video of a Texas judge beating his 16-year-old daughter with a belt, and the controversy surrounding deaths purportedly associated with the pro-spanking book "To Train Up a Child," have reignited the debate about corporal punishment. Even those viewing the disturbing video differ on whether or not it reflects the appropriate use of discipline. When does spanking cross the line and become physical abuse?
Although corporal punishment has been widely accepted throughout the history of the United States, psychologists and other professionals here are increasingly concerned about the harm it may cause. Many other countries have outlawed the practice, including Austria, Germany, Greece, Kenya, Norway, Romania and Spain. Despite growing evidence against and opposition to corporal punishment in the United States, the practice remains accepted by nearly half of adults and is legal in all states.
Among scientists, there is a consensus that actual physical abuse damages children, directly and over the course of a life. Although not all children who have been abused are affected the same way, decades of research show that child abuse initiates a cascade of negative social, emotional and health-related outcomes.
"Corporal punishment is of limited effectiveness and has potentially deleterious side effects," the American Academy of Pediatrics has said in a policy statement. A 2002 analysis of studies, published in the Psychological Bulletin, concluded that although corporal punishment can make a child obey in the short run, it also is linked with a number of long-term problems, including mental disorders and behavioral difficulties. Spanking in childhood also has been related to criminality.
Too much corporal punishment can also damage the parent-child relationship, as the parent becomes a source of both nurturing and danger. Disconcertingly, spanking in childhood also is associated with approval of hitting a spouse and increased marital conflict.
All the evidence and warnings, however, don't always stop parents from hitting their kids. Personal experiences and emotion continue to dictate whether or not parents choose physical punishment.
The video of the judge beating his daughter is disturbing not only because of the physical violence, but also because of the emotional abuse that is clearly present. Rather than learning not to download computer files, this girl may be learning to hide her behavior from her parents, to avoid bringing them her questions and concerns. She may become more likely to resolve conflict with violence, to become involved with people who are abusive, and eventually to hit her own children.
All parents surely want to raise well-adjusted children. Discipline and structure are key components of doing so. It would be naïve to think that even the most dedicated parents do not sometimes become frustrated with defiant children. There are many ways of disciplining children that are effective and nonviolent. We need to show parents what they are, and to make alternative approaches more widely accessible if we are to avoid tragic outcomes.
The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Sheree L. Toth.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/11/opinion/toth-abuse/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
why is that "crazy"?
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Ohio Third-Grader Weighing 200 Pounds Placed in Foster Care
Published November 28, 2011
NewsCore
An eight-year-old Ohio boy who weighs more than 200 pounds was taken from his family last month and placed in foster care after social workers said his mother was not doing enough to control his weight, The Plain Dealer reported.
The third grader is considered severely obese by the standards of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, putting him at risk of developing diseases like diabetes and hypertension.
The boy was taken out of his home on Oct. 19, according to The Plain Dealer. He is currently in foster care, and his mother can see him once a week for two hours.
The case will be heard in court next month, The Plain Dealer reported.
Cuyahoga County officials who were monitoring the child's health said the child's weight was caused by his environment and his mother was ignoring doctor's orders on food and exercise, the newspaper reported.
"This child's problem was so severe that we had to take custody," said Mary Louise Madigan, a spokeswoman for the Department of Children and Family Services.
The Ohio Health Department estimates more than 12 percent of third-graders statewide are severely obese. The removal of the Cleveland child might be the first in the state for a strictly weight-related issue.
The Plain Dealer did not identify the boy or his mother, but she told the newspaper she was devastated after her son was taken last month.
"They are trying to make it seem like I am unfit, like I don't love my child."
She also said she was trying to help him lose weight. "Of course I love him. Of course I want him to lose weight. It's a lifestyle change, and they are trying to make it seem like I am not embracing that. It is very hard, but I am trying."
Lawyers for his mother—a substitute elementary school teacher—believe the county overreached its mandate by arguing the boy's health is in imminent danger. The child does not yet suffer from obesity-related diseases, the newspaper said.
Lawyers also question the emotional impact the child suffered after being yanked from his family, school and friends.
Children are ordinarily removed from their homes for physical abuse, neglect or undernourishment, The Plain Dealer said.
Click here to read more from this story from The Plain Dealer.
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/11/28/ohio-third-grader-weighing-200-pounds-placed-in-foster-care/?test=latestnews
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Korie Kellogg, ex-wife of NBA's Michael Curry, jailed for beating child with belt
By Clutch Magazine
9:22 AM on 04/10/2012
by Britni Danielle
From Clutch magazine: Spanking is a divisive issue among many parents. While some parents swear by the "spare the rod, spoil the child" philosophy, others find the practice to be an ineffective and abusive form of discipline. But what happens when parents cross the line? And where is the line in the first place?
Recently, Korie Kellogg, ex-wife of NBA baller Michael Curry, was arrested and charged with aggravated battery after her son told his teachers that his mom had "whooped" him when school officials questioned him about marks on his body. The child was taken to the hospital and examined, and according to reports, had bruises and welts on his face and back.
Kellogg told prosecutors her son's story was not accurate, but wasn't given a chance to explain.
Kellogg and Curry were married on Valentine's Day in 2001, but divorced the same year. Kellogg is the mother of Curry's first child.
Kellogg was was released on $25,000 bail while officials continue to investigate, and if convicted, she could face a five year prison sentence. Another hearing is scheduled later this month.
Click here to read more stories from Clutch magazine.
http://www.thegrio.com/news/korie-kellogg-ex-wife-of-nbas-michael-curry-jailed-for-spanking-child-with-belt.php
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Pennsylvania father abandons 16-year-old daughter over bad math grade
Published May 31, 2012
FoxNews.com
A Pennsylvania father pleaded guilty to child endangerment for abandoning his teenage daughter at a mall over a bad grade she received at school.
Tuan Huynh, 47, of Montgomery County, dropped his 16-year-old daughter off near Cheltenham Square Mall and told her she could not come home, Fox affiliate WTXF-TV reported. He told the teenager she no longer met her parents' expectations because she had received a bad grade on a calculus test, according to the station.
Assistant District Attorney Cara McMenamin told the station that the girl wandered around the Cheltenham Mall for hours before a minister finally approached her and called for help.
Huynh pleaded guilty to endangering the welfare of a child. He is not allowed to return home until he has completed parenting classes, the station reported.
Huynh could have faced up to five years in jail, but instead he will do two years of probation and 100 hours of community service.
McMenamin claims Huynh had no remorse for what he did and said he can do with his child what he sees fit.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/31/pennsylvania-father-abandons-16-year-old-daughter-over-bad-grade-at-school/?intcmp=obinsite
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Pretty creative. Is this abuse?
10-year-old girl forced to wear thrift store clothing as punishment for being a bully
Published May 22, 2013
FoxNews.com
A Utah woman forced her fiance's 10-year-old daughter to wear an unflattering wardrobe to school after a teacher said the girl was bullying another classmate over the way she dresses.
A teacher at the Viewmont Elementary school in Murray last week emailed Mark, the father of Kaylee, and his fianceé Ally, explaining that she was harassing another student for three weeks, Fox13 reports. The last names of the family were not revealed to protect their privacy.
“She would take her out on the playground and call her names, and tell her she was a slob and tell her she dressed like a sleaze,” Ally told the station.
As punishment, Ally went to a local thrift shop and purchased around $50 worth of clothing that she thought her daughter wouldn’t want to wear. Kaylee said she cried when she first saw the clothes, Fox13 reports.
Kaylee added that students talked behind her back about the clothes when she wore them to school last week. Her teacher was notified beforehand and the punishment lasted two days.
“We did it because we wanted our daughter to learn something very valuable that touched home and touched her heart,” Ally said.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/22/utah-parents-force-daughter-to-wear-unflattering-clothes-to-school-as-bullying/?intcmp=obinsite
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Jose Lagares, Dad, Publicly Bullies Son To Shame Him For ... Bullying
The Huffington Post | By Meredith Bennett-Smith Posted: 10/04/2013 3:42 pm EDT | Updated: 10/05/2013 12:36 pm EDT
(http://www.opposingviews.com/sites/opposingviews.com/files/imagecache/300x250/featured_image/bully_1.jpg)
On Tuesday, a boy accused of bullying his schoolmates was forced to stand on a street corner with a humiliating sign as punishment for his behavior, NBC affiliate KCEN-TV reports.
The fourth-grader's father, Jose Lagares, made his son hold a large homemade sign that read: "I am a bully. Honk if you hate bullies."
"Bullying is also a form of public humiliation," Lagares, of Killeen, Texas, told the station. "Maybe he understands that when he humiliates someone publicly that doesn't feel good. Hopefully he'll take that with him so the next time he tries to bully someone he'll think about it twice."
Lagares is following in the footsteps of a long line of parents who have publicly shamed their children for transgressions ranging from sneaking out of the house to twerking.
Responses to Lagares' actions were mixed on KCENTV's Facebook page, with some applauding the father's actions, and others wondering if perhaps is wasn't the most effective approach. Indeed, in the past, several experts have voiced concerns about the issue.
In an April 2012 column on public shaming, The Huffington Post's Lisa Belkin spoke with Alfie Kohn, author of Unconditional Parenting: Moving From Rewards and Punishments to Love and Reason, about the tactic.
"It's not just that humiliating people, of any age, is a nasty and disrespectful way of treating them," Kohn said at the time. "It's that humiliation, like other forms of punishment, is counterproductive."
For his part, Lagares has so far stuck to his guns. In fact, the Texas dad returned to the corner on Wednesday to defend his decision, this time holding up his own bright orange sign that said, "I'm not sorry. Honk to stop bullying."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/04/jose-lagares-bully-publicly-shames-on_n_4045040.html
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I think going to this extreme shows a failure in parenting more than anything else.
that being said, there should be better ways to communicate why not to bully to a 9 year old kid.
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I think going to this extreme shows a failure in parenting more than anything else.
that being said, there should be better ways to communicate why not to bully to a 9 year old kid.
Yeah. I agree. There arguably might be times when public humiliation might be a useful tool (although it's not something I ever used), but not with a 9 year old kid.
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California court rules spanking with wooden spoon not abuse
Published October 09, 2013 / Associated Press
SAN JOSE, Calif. – A state appeals court on Tuesday tossed out child abuse findings against a frustrated Northern California mother who spanked her 12-year-old daughter hard enough with a wooden spoon to cause bruising.
The 6th District Court of Appeal in San Jose reversed the child abuse determination made by the Santa Clara County Department of Social Services. Social workers waned to report Vernica Gonzalez to the state Department of Justice's child abuse database with a "substantiated" abuse determination. That determination was upheld by a trial court judge.
The appeals court said the spanking came close to abuse, but that social workers and the lower court judge failed to consider the family's entire circumstances.
Gonzalez and her husband testified that other forms of punishment such as groundings and taking away her phone had failed to persuade their 12-year-old daughter to do her schoolwork and avoid gang culture. The parents said that other family members had testified that spankings in the household were a rarity.
The appeals court said the mother's growing frustration with her daughter's behavior and her intention not to inflict harm in the April 2010 spanking weighed heavily in its ruling.
"Nothing in the record suggests the mother should have known she was inflicting bruises," Justice Conrad Rushing wrote for the unanimous three-judge panel. Rushing continued that "the spanking was entirely the product of a genuine and deliberate disciplinary purpose, i.e., to arrest troubling behavior patterns exhibited by the daughter."
The court ordered the child abuse report to be withdrawn or Gonzalez given another hearing in which the San Jose family's entire circumstances are considered and the spanking put into context with the parents' growing frustration with a recalcitrant daughter.
"We cannot say that the use of a wooden spoon to administer a spanking necessarily exceeds the bounds of reasonable parental discipline," Rushing concluded.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/09/california-court-rules-spanking-with-wooden-spoon-not-abuse/?intcmp=latestnews
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That poor kid is going to be a punk when he grows up. :-\
NY dad deemed unfit for not taking son to McDonald's
Published November 08, 2013
New York Post
A Manhattan dad is not lovin’ McDonald’s right now.
Attorney David Schorr slapped a court-appointed shrink with a defamation lawsuit for telling the judge deciding a custody battle with his estranged wife that he was an unfit parent — for refusing to take his son to the fast food joint for dinner.
“You’d think it was sexual molestation,” Schorr, 43, told The Post Thursday. “I am just floored by it.”
Schorr says in his Manhattan Supreme Court suit that E. 97th Street psychiatrist Marilyn Schiller filed a report saying he was “wholly incapable of taking care of his son” and should be denied his weekend visitation over the greasy burger ban.
Schorr, a corporate attorney turned consultant with degrees from NYU and Oxford University, had planned to take his 4-year-old son to their usual restaurant, the Corner Café on Third Avenue, for his weekly Tuesday night visitation last week.
But the boy threw a temper tantrum and demanded McDonald’s. So he gave his son an ultimatum: dinner anywhere other than McDonald’s — or no dinner.
“The child, stubborn as a mule, chose the ‘no dinner’ option,” the disgruntled dad says in the suit.
“It was just a standoff. I’m kicking myself mightily,” Schorr said.
“I wish I had taken him to McDonalds, but you get nervous about rewarding bad behavior. I was concerned. I think it was a 1950s equivalent of sending your child to bed without dinner. That’s maybe the worst thing you can say about it,” he said.
Adding insult to injury, he said: “My wife immediately took him to McDonalds.”
Click here for more from the New York Post.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/11/08/ny-dad-deemed-unfit-for-not-taking-son-to-mcdonald/
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And yes, her motivation is relevant. The fact she set this recording up, held it for six years, chose to live with him after the divorce, and only disclosed it after he cut her off and took away her Mercedes shows she probably didn't think she was being abused.
You could be right. She might not consider it abuse, especially if she'd grown used to such treatment. That absolutely has nothing to do with whether the judge was guilty of abuse or not, though.
Were the judge to suffer legal consequences for his actions, however, I'd have no problem with the girl's perception being a factor when deciding his punishment. It just shouldn't be a factor when deciding whether his conduct was or was not legal.
("She's reeeel tough, that one, smack 'er agin!, She don't mind." Ugh! )
Actually, that she might not consider the treatment we see in the video abuse suggests a good reason for society to outlaw such treatment -- It could turn her into a hardass mofo who thinks it's OK to inflict physical pain on others against their will when she's pissed. Can't be having a world full of bitches who thinks it's ok to kick a puppy or whatever.
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You could be right. She might not consider it abuse, especially if she'd grown used to such treatment. That absolutely has nothing to do with whether the judge was guilty of abuse or not, though.
Were the judge to suffer legal consequences for his actions, however, I'd have no problem with the girl's perception being a factor when deciding his punishment. It just shouldn't be a factor when deciding whether his conduct was or was not legal.
("She's reeeel tough, that one, smack 'er agin!, She don't mind." Ugh! )
Actually, that she might not consider the treatment we see in the video abuse suggests a good reason for society to outlaw such treatment -- It could turn her into a hardass mofo who thinks it's OK to inflict physical pain on others against their will when she's pissed. Can't be having a world full of bitches who thinks it's ok to kick a puppy or whatever.
Meh. That whole thing didn't pass the smell test.
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Meh. That whole thing didn't pass the smell test.
I think that's because there's a strong possibility that all involved (the dad, the daughter, and the mom) are all pieces of shit.
Not too different than lots of crimes, really; POS's doing wrong to other POS's. They all deserve protection under the law, though.
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I think that's because there's a strong possibility that all involved (the dad, the daughter, and the mom) are all pieces of shit.
Not too different than lots of crimes, really; POS's doing wrong to other POS's. They all deserve protection under the law, though.
I wouldn't say that about the dad, at least from what I read. He set standards for his kids, enforced them, provided adult welfare, and only stopped it when his adult kid quit going to school. She disclosed the video after he cut her off and took away her car.
The real issue is whether the government should be regulating this kind of parental discipline.
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I wouldn't say that about the dad, at least from what I read. He set standards for his kids, enforced them, provided adult welfare, and only stopped it when his adult kid quit going to school. She disclosed the video after he cut her off and took away her car.
The real issue is whether the government should be regulating this kind of parental discipline.
WTF? You wouldn't say the dad's a piece of shit? I think the majority of people in this day and age would disagree with you on that point after watching the video.
It's not just that he's spanking his daughter. It's that he's doing it in anger (pretty sure I heard him say, "Bend over or I'll hit you in the fucking face") to a girl who is 16 years old. What the hell kind of person is he trying to raise?
If anyone deserves a beating, it's the father. He is definitely a POS.
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WTF? You wouldn't say the dad's a piece of shit? I think the majority of people in this day and age would disagree with you on that point after watching the video.
It's not just that he's spanking his daughter. It's that he's doing it in anger (pretty sure I heard him say, "Bend over or I'll hit you in the fucking face") to a girl who is 16 years old. What the hell kind of person is he trying to raise?
If anyone deserves a beating, it's the father. He is definitely a POS.
It depends which "majority of people" you were talking to. There are geographical and cultural differences when it comes to corporal punishment. What some people think is abuse, others view as normal. The kind of discipline you saw in the video has been and is being used by parents since forever.
Disciplining in anger isn't abuse either. Some psychologists actually advocate that you do it in anger (without abusing your kid).
I didn't discipline my kids the way this guy did, but I'm not going to judge his methods. I know way too many good parents who used (and continue to use) that method.
But times have changed. I remember the principal and vice-principal at my school having a paddle hanging on the wall, that they actually used. Today, that would land him or her in jail.
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This is criminal.
Heaviest 5-year-old recorded in UK taken into custody
Published December 09, 2013
Britain's fattest five-year-old has been taken into care after weighing in at more than 143 pounds, or at least three times the weight of what is expected of a healthy child.
Child protection experts told the Sunday Times the case was "a tragedy", expressing disbelief that action was not taken sooner by the local council.
The newspaper says the girl was seized in Newport, south Wales, in August last year weighing approximately 145 pounds – heavier than any 5-year-old of either sex recorded in an English school since 2008. Typically, girls that age weigh about 42 pounds.
Newport city council said the decision was made purely because of the girl’s obesity.
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/12/09/heaviest-5-year-old-recorded-in-uk-taken-into-custody/?intcmp=obnetwork
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this kid was supposedly 10 stone (140lbs) at 3 years old
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Spanking of 8-year-old girl for cursing was not excessive, court rules
Published July 21, 2014
Associated Press
CENTRAL ISLIP, N.Y. – A state appeals court has ruled that a Long Island father used reasonable force when he spanked his 8-year-old son for cursing at an adult.
Newsday says the state Appellate Division dismissed a child neglect proceeding against the man last week.
The father had used the disciplinary action in October 2012 during a party at a friend's house.
The Suffolk County social service department alleged he used an open hand and a belt on the boy's buttocks, legs and arms after they got home. A county family court found him in neglect.
But the appellate division said under the circumstances the spanking "did not constitute excessive corporal punishment." It said there was insufficient evidence to prove he hit his son with a belt.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/21/spanking-8-year-old-girl-for-cursing-was-not-excessive-court-rules/?intcmp=latestnews
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Vikings running back Adrian Peterson indicted for child injury
BY SI WIRE
Posted: Fri Sep. 12, 2014
Vikings running back Adrian Peterson has been indicted on charges of child injury in Texas and a warrant has been issued for his arrest.
According to MyFOXHouston, the charges are for "reckless or negligent injury to a child."
The Vikings deactivated Peterson for Sunday's game against the New England Patriots.
Peterson's attorney Rusty Hardin released the following statement:
“Adrian Peterson has been informed that he was indicted by a grand jury in Montgomery County, Texas for Injury to a Child. The charged conduct involves using a switch to spank his son. This indictment follows Adrian’s full cooperation with authorities who have been looking into this matter. Adrian is a loving father who used his judgment as a parent to discipline his son. He used the same kind of discipline with his child that he experienced as a child growing up in east Texas. Adrian has never hidden from what happened. He has cooperated fully with authorities and voluntarily testified before the grand jury for several hours. Adrian will address the charges with the same respect and responsiveness he has brought to this inquiry from its beginning. It is important to remember that Adrian never intended to harm his son and deeply regrets the unintentional injury.”
CBS Houston obtained a draft of the police report where Peterson admitted that he did “whoop” one of his children last May while the boy was visiting him in Houston. The boy's mother took him to a doctor when he returned to Minnesota.
According to the police report, Peterson hit the four-year-old boy with a tree branch after removing all the leaves. The doctor told investigators that the boy had "a number of lacerations on his thighs, along with bruise-like marks on his lower back and buttocks and cuts on his hand."
The doctor also reportedly described some of the marks as open wounds and termed it “child abuse.” Another person who examined the boy called the cuts “extensive.”
The boy was interviewed by authorities, who reportedly told them "Daddy Peterson hit me on my face." He also told them he had been hit by a belt and that “there are a lot of belts in Daddy’s closet.”
The punishment happened after the boy pushed another one of Peterson’s children off of a motorbike video game, according to the police report.
The Vikings released a statement Friday saying they are "in the process of gathering information regarding the legal situation involving Adrian Peterson" and defer any questions to Hardin at this time.
Jay Glazer of FOX Sports reports that Peterson has been cooperating with investigators. Glazer adds that the indictment means Peterson will have to turn himself in.
According to Glazer, Peterson testified in front of a grand jury on Aug. 21. He reportedly told investigators that it was a "normal spanking" and not excessive. A grand jury decided not to indict him on Sept. 4 before he was indicted by a second grand jury a week later.
Statement from the Montgomery County Sheriff's Department:
"An unknown police department called the City of Houston police department with a complaint of child endangerment, and Houston referred it to the Montgomery County Sheriff’s Office where the alleged case occurred. Montgomery County investigated a complaint of “injury to a child” and referred the case to the district attorney. The DA then handed the case to the Grand Jury."
http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/09/12/adrian-peterson-child-injury-indictment
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Peterson enters no contest plea
Updated: November 4, 2014
ESPN.com news services
Minnesota Vikings star Adrian Peterson avoided jail time Tuesday in a plea agreement reached with prosecutors to resolve his child abuse case.
Under the agreement approved by Montgomery County state District Judge Kelly Case and announced during a scheduled court hearing, Peterson pleaded no contest to a misdemeanor charge of reckless assault.
Case deferred a finding of guilt for two years while imposing a $4,000 fine and 80 hours of community service on Peterson.
Vikings Rushing OK Without Peterson
Adrian Peterson has missed a total of 10 games since the beginning of the 2013 season. But the Vikings have fared pretty well in their running game without Peterson. Minnesota is averaging more rushing yards per game as a team and has scored more rushing touchdowns in games that Peterson has not played in since the beginning of last year.
Peterson Other RBs
Games 15 10
Rush yds PG 89.4 114.8
Yds per rush 4.5 4.4
Yds after cont. 607 429
Rush TD 10 13
-- ESPN Stats & Information
"I'm just glad this is over," Peterson said shortly after Tuesday's plea deal was announced. "I can put this behind me, and me and my family can move forward."
Peterson was indicted in September on a felony charge of injury to a child for using a wooden switch to discipline his 4-year-old son earlier this year in suburban Houston. The All-Pro running back says he never intended to harm his son and was disciplining him in the same way he had been as a child growing up in East Texas.
The boy suffered cuts, marks and bruising to his thighs, back and on one of his testicles, according to court records. If convicted of felony child abuse, Peterson could have faced up to two years in prison and a $10,000 fine.
"I truly regret this incident," Peterson said. "I take full responsibility for my actions. I love my son more than anyone you could even imagine, and I'm anxious to continue my relationship with my child."
The NFL and the Vikings have not yet announced whether they will suspend Peterson, who already has missed eight games with pay this season under the terms of the commissioner's exempt list.
League spokesperson Brian McCarthy did not offer a timetable for when the NFL will make a decision, telling ESPN's Ben Goessling that the league "will review the court documents."
Last month, a visiting judge denied a request by prosecutors to remove Case as judge in the case. Prosecutors had accused Case of being biased against them and wanted a new judge appointed.
The plea deal made moot a pending motion by prosecutors to revoke Peterson's $15,000 bond for alleged marijuana use.
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We all know the kind of person he is. We've stood behind him this whole time. You'd be crazy not to welcome him back into that locker room. It would be a big pickup for this locker room being we have so many young guys.
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- Vikings tight end Kyle Rudolph, on teammate Adrian Peterson
The NFL Players Association expects that the league will punish Peterson as it would any other player determined to be guilty of a misdemeanor, league sources told ESPN's Ed Werder.
The union will likely argue, sources told Werder, that Peterson, who has been paid his full salary of nearly $5.3 million in his absence, should be reinstated and perhaps forced to pay a substantial fine. Only commissioner Roger Goodell can reinstate Peterson from the exempt list, meaning the two could be required to meet.
Carolina Panthers defensive end Greg Hardy, who is facing a trial for a domestic violence charge, also was placed on the exempt list in September.
Both players agreed as part of a deal that they would be ineligible to play until their cases are adjudicated, but that they would receive full compensation until that time.
Once Goodell reinstates Peterson, presuming the commissioner eventually does so, the Vikings would either have to allow the running back to return to the team or be required to release him.
Vikings general manager Rick Spielman declined to comment on Peterson during his midseason news conference Tuesday.
"All I'm going to say is basically at the appropriate time, and I know you guys can appreciate this, we'll keep all of our comments under the Adrian situation until it's appropriate to speak," Spielman said. "And I'll just leave it at that."
Vikings coach Mike Zimmer was asked about Peterson on Monday as the team began its bye week, and he made it clear he judges Peterson based on his own personal interactions and considers him to be "top-notch, first-class."
Several prominent Vikings players said Tuesday they'd be excited to have Peterson back on the roster, adding that the running back wouldn't have to do anything to regain trust in the locker room.
"We all know the kind of person he is," tight end Kyle Rudolph said. "We've stood behind him this whole time. You'd be crazy not to welcome him back into that locker room. It would be a big pickup for this locker room being we have so many young guys. Any time you can have a veteran back in that locker room, the leader that he is in the locker room, out on the practice field, would be huge for us.
"Guys have chatted amongst each other, and I don't think there's anyone in that locker room that would need to hear from him. We all know the kind of person Adrian is, and I feel like he's proven that over his time here."
A prolific player at his position, Peterson set an NFL record with 296 rushing yards against San Diego on this date in 2007.
The case revived a debate about corporal punishment, which is on the decline in the U.S. but still widely practiced in homes and schools.
Corporal punishment is legal in every state. The Texas Attorney General's office notes that belts and brushes "are accepted by many as legitimate disciplinary 'tools,'" but "electrical or phone cords, boards, yardsticks, ropes, shoes, and wires are likely to be considered instruments of abuse."
Texas law says the use of non-deadly force against someone younger than 18 is justified if a parent or guardian "reasonably believes the force is necessary to discipline the child or to safeguard or promote his welfare."
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11819670/adrian-peterson-minnesota-vikings-enter-plea-lesser-charge-felony-child-abuse-charge-avoid-jail
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Union: Adrian Peterson to appeal ban
November 18, 2014
ESPN.com news services
Adrian Peterson has been suspended without pay for at least the remainder of this season.
The NFL announced its highly anticipated ruling Tuesday morning, stating that the Minnesota Vikings' star running back will not be considered for reinstatement before April 15, 2015, for violating the league's personal conduct policy.
The league said it informed Peterson of the ruling in a letter from commissioner Roger Goodell, who spelled out a path for his return to the field.
The Vikings have six games left this season. The league's enhanced disciplinary policy calls for a six-game suspension for first offenses of assault, battery or domestic violence. Aggravating circumstances warrant higher levels of discipline, and Goodell's letter to Peterson spelled that out.
But a league source told ESPN's Ed Werder that it is "very possible" that Peterson could return to the field for this Sunday's game against the Green Bay Packers, pending a ruling by the independent arbitrator in Monday's grievance hearing.
The NFL Players Association quickly announced its plan to appeal and sharply rebuked what it calls the league's inconsistency and unfairness in the process.
If arbitrator Shyam Das rules in favor of Peterson, he could play while his appeal of Tuesday's suspension is heard, according to rules laid out in the NFL's collective bargaining agreement. Goodell, under the CBA, would decide who hears Peterson's appeal.
Another source told ESPN's Chris Mortensen that if Das decides Peterson should be reinstated, the issue will become more complex and "there will be many lawyers involved."
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You have shown no meaningful remorse for your conduct. When indicted, you acknowledged what you did but said that you would not 'eliminate whooping my kids' and defended your conduct in numerous published text messages to the child's mother. You also said that you felt 'very confident with my actions because I know my intent.' These comments raise the serious concern that you do not fully appreciate the seriousness of your conduct, or even worse, that you may feel free to engage in similar conduct in the future.
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- Excerpt from NFL commissioner Roger Goodell's letter to Adrian Peterson
Peterson was indicted in September on a felony charge of injury to a child for using a wooden switch to discipline his 4-year-old son earlier this year. The All-Pro pleaded no contest to a lesser charge of misdemeanor reckless assault Nov. 4, setting the stage for the NFL's ruling.
Peterson was placed on a special exempt list at the sole discretion of Goodell on Sept. 18, essentially paid leave while his case went through the legal system.
The NFLPA said Peterson was told that would count as time served for any suspension levied, citing an unnamed NFL executive. League spokesman Brian McCarthy told The Associated Press in an email that Peterson's stay on the exempt list was taken into account.
"There were aggravating circumstances that led to the discipline announced," McCarthy told the AP.
The league's statement included excerpts of the letter written by Goodell, who has required that Peterson undergo counseling and treatment in order to be reinstated.
"We are prepared to put in place a program that can help you to succeed, but no program can succeed without your genuine and continuing engagement," Goodell wrote in the letter. "You must commit yourself to your counseling and rehabilitative effort, properly care for your children, and have no further violations of law or league policy."
The Vikings also released a statement, saying they "respect the league's decision and will have no further comment at this time."
Peterson's case revived a debate about corporal punishment, which is on the decline in the U.S. but still widely practiced in homes and schools. Peterson has repeatedly claimed that he never intended to harm his son and was disciplining him in the same way he had been as a child growing up in East Texas.
Goodell, however, expressed concern in his letter that Peterson does not "fully appreciate the seriousness" of his conduct.
"You have shown no meaningful remorse for your conduct," Goodell's letter said. "When indicted, you acknowledged what you did but said that you would not 'eliminate whooping my kids' and defended your conduct in numerous published text messages to the child's mother. You also said that you felt 'very confident with my actions because I know my intent.'
"These comments raise the serious concern that you do not fully appreciate the seriousness of your conduct, or even worse, that you may feel free to engage in similar conduct in the future."
The boy suffered cuts, marks and bruising to his thighs, back and on one of his testicles, according to court records. Goodell cited those injuries in his letter to Peterson.
"The difference in size and strength between you and the child is significant, and your actions clearly caused physical injury to the child," Goodell's letter said. "While an adult may have a number of options when confronted with abuse -- to flee, to fight back, or to seek help from law enforcement -- none of those options is realistically available to a four-year-old child.
"Further, the injury inflicted on your son includes the emotional and psychological trauma to a young child who suffers criminal physical abuse at the hands of his father."
The NFL stated that Peterson and the union did not provide the league with information that "would be relevant to evaluating Peterson's conduct." The league also claimed that Peterson, his representatives and the union would not participate in a disciplinary hearing that had been scheduled for last week.
The union responded with its statement, which cited a "credibility gap" within the NFL's disciplinary process.
"The decision by the NFL to suspend Adrian Peterson is another example of the credibility gap that exists between the agreements they make and the actions they take," the NFLPA statement said. "Since Adrian's legal matter was adjudicated, the NFL has ignored their obligations and attempted to impose a new and arbitrary disciplinary proceeding.
"The facts are that Adrian has asked for a meeting with Roger Goodell, the discipline imposed is inconsistent and an NFL executive told Adrian that his time on the commissioner's list would be considered as time served. The NFLPA will appeal this suspension and will demand that a neutral arbitrator oversee the appeal. We call on the NFL Management Council to show our players and our sponsors leadership by committing to collective bargaining so a fair personal conduct policy can be implemented as quickly as possible."
NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith echoed those sentiments during an interview Tuesday on ESPN Radio's "Mike & Mike," accusing the NFL of "making it up as they go along."
"Our initial reaction is that the process that the NFL has employed since the beginning of the season has been arbitrary, inconsistent and uneven," Smith said. "You get the feeling that the NFL, over the past few months, has been simply making it up as they go along. That is something that is not in the best interest of the game, the players, or the sponsors."
Peterson received support from Vikings teammate Jerome Felton, both on Twitter and in comments to ESPN's Josina Anderson. Felton said this issue goes beyond Peterson and should concern all NFL players.
"The players need to stand together," the fullback told ESPN. "[Suspensions] can't just be some arbitrary number that they come up with. There needs to be a set policy, and it's something that is followed, and it needs to be collectively bargained. If it's not, then there are always going to be issues. There will always be fighting and there will always be lawyers."
Goodell announced Aug. 28 that the league would toughen punishment for players involved with domestic violence. That action stemmed from a torrent of criticism for the initial leniency toward former Ravens running back Ray Rice following a caught-on-camera knockout punch of the woman who is now his wife.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11896187/adrian-peterson-minnesota-vikings-suspended-least-rest-season
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Snellville barber offers 'old man' haircuts for misbehaving kids
Posted: Feb 04, 2015 6:22 AM HST
Updated: Feb 05, 2015 12:21 AM HST
By David YirchottCONNECT
SNELLVILLE, GA (CBS46) -
Have a kid who is acting out and out of control? Three days a week, a Snellville barbershop offers a free haircut called the "Benjamin Button Special," that'll make your misbehaving child resemble a senior citizen.
A picture of the cut was posted to Instagram by Russell Fredrick, who owns A-1 Kutz in Snellville and goes by the name Master Barber Rusty Fred on the social site.
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The picture was accompanied with the following text:
"So you wana act grown...well now you can look grown too👴. The grown-up kids special by: @rusty_fred GOT TO REACH EM SOMEHOW.... #ittakesavillage #thiscantbelife #hairloss #rusty_fred #rustyfred #toughlove #lessons #learningexperience #tryme #grownkids #kidsbarber #barberlove #barbergame #a1 #a1kutz #a1kidzz #a1__kutz #hair #haircut #naturalhair #barbershopconnect #lifelessons #yougonelearntoday"
In an interview with the Washington Post, Fredrick -- who has three children -- said he decided to promote the cut after he gave his 12-year-old son a similar old-man haircut and the boy's grades "dramatically skyrocketed."
http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/28022916/snellville-barber-offers-old-man#ixzz3QtyY1p7M
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I see nothing wrong with it...some think it is shaming but I think shame is a big part of instilling discipline
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Having to humiliate your kid so they try hard in school is a failure in parenting.
Even the best parents fail from time to time. Lol
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Not sure exactly what I think about this, but I can see it being a great motivational tool. Certainly worked for that barber's kid. Not something I would have done, but I wouldn't call it abuse.
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Having to humiliate your kid so they try hard in school is a failure in parenting.
Even the best parents fail from time to time. Lol
disagree
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Education Secretary Urges States to End Corporal Punishment
By Theodore Bunker | Tuesday, 22 Nov 2016
The Obama administration is calling for the end of corporal punishment in the states and counties where it is still allowed, The Washington Post reports.
Education Secretary John B. King, Jr., wrote a letter to governors and leaders in state schools calling corporal punishment "harmful, ineffective, and often disproportionately applied to students of color and students with disabilities," and asked them to "eliminate this practice from your schools, and instead promote supportive, effective disciplinary measures."
Corporal punishment is banned in 28 states and the District of Columbia, but there are 15 states where it is still permitted, and seven where it has not been outlawed.
According to a study published in January from the Brookings Institution, 80 percent of corporal punishment that occurs in schools takes place in Mississippi, Texas, Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Tennessee and Oklahoma.
"First, black students are more likely to be located in states that use corporal punishment extensively. Second, in many states black students are disproportionately likely to be singled out for corporal punishment," wrote Dick Startz, U.C. Santa Barbara economics professor and the researcher behind the report.
"Notably, the very acts of corporal punishment that are permissible when applied to children in schools under some state laws would be prohibited as criminal assault and battery when applied to adults in the community in those very same states," King said.
Randi Weingarten, president of the American Federation of Teachers, and Fatima Gross of the National Women's Law Center joined King in a conference call to reporters Monday, where they argued that corporal punishment is not useful.
It often has a negative impact on improving behavior and academic achievement, and that it is often minor infractions such as tardiness that result in physical punishment.
"What we know is that these sorts of severe discipline policies don't work. They leave students feeling unwelcome and unsafe at school," Gross said. "Corporal punishment of adults has been banned in prisons and in military training facilities and it's time we do the same for our nation's schoolchildren."
Weingarten argued that corporal punishment should have been outlawed "by all 50 states years and years ago," and that Donald Trump's administration should publicly oppose physical punishment.
"This is not just a Nov. 15 issue," Weingarten said. "This is a Jan. 21 issue. It doesn't actually matter who the secretary of education is or what people's view is about the election. This is a moral matter.
"This is a matter that we must all be — I don't care if you're a Republican or a Democrat, a conservative or a progressive — we must all be about safe and welcoming places for all students."
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/education-secretary-urge-states/2016/11/22/id/760183/
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Forcing a 2 year old to wear a mask to protect him/her from a virus that has almost a zero percent change of killing the child sounds like child abuse to me.