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Attacking And Vilifying The Bible
« on: March 06, 2009, 07:06:47 AM »
"A thousand times over, the death knell of the Bible has been sounded, the funeral procession formed, the inscription cut on the tombstone, and committal read. But somehow the corpse never stays put. No other book has been so chopped, knifed, sifted, scrutinized, and vilified. What book on philosophy or religion or psychology or belles lettres of classical or modern times has been subject to such a mass attack as the Bible? With such venom and skepticism? With such thoroughness and erudition? Upon every chapter, line and tenet?

The Bible is still loved by millions, read by millions, and studied by millions." - Bernard L. Ramm

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Re: Attacking And Vilifying The Bible
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2009, 08:12:20 AM »


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Re: Attacking And Vilifying The Bible
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2009, 11:44:07 PM »
It's the best selling book of all time.  http://home.comcast.net/~antaylor1/bestsellingbooks.html

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Re: Attacking And Vilifying The Bible
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2009, 09:27:06 PM »
The mass pogroms of genocide against non-readers throughout history, has had a tendency to boost the ratings
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« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2009, 05:19:30 AM »
"A thousand times over, the death knell of the Bible has been sounded, the funeral procession formed, the inscription cut on the tombstone, and committal read. But somehow the corpse never stays put. No other book has been so chopped, knifed, sifted, scrutinized, and vilified. What book on philosophy or religion or psychology or belles lettres of classical or modern times has been subject to such a mass attack as the Bible? With such venom and skepticism? With such thoroughness and erudition? Upon every chapter, line and tenet?

The Bible is still loved by millions, read by millions, and studied by millions." - Bernard L. Ramm

Wow, that is the knockdown argument of all time. The Quran is read and loved by millions as well and millions of others believe in holy Hindu texts. So what. Nothing of this provides a shred of evidence that the contents of the Bible are even remotely true. The Bible is a book of myths and pseudo-history and is believed by many to be a factual account of the past; this alone warrants opposition.
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Re: Attacking And Vilifying The Bible
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2009, 05:32:08 AM »

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Re: Attacking And Vilifying The Bible
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2009, 07:23:46 AM »
The mass pogroms of genocide against non-readers throughout history, has had a tendency to boost the ratings

Mass pogroms of genocide against non-readers throughout history?  Care to back that up?

Wasn't the Roman Catholic Church that persecuted those who read the Bible?  Only church leaders were allowed to read the Bible and only in Latin.

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Re: Attacking And Vilifying The Bible
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2009, 07:29:29 AM »
Wow, that is the knockdown argument of all time. The Quran is read and loved by millions as well and millions of others believe in holy Hindu texts. So what. Nothing of this provides a shred of evidence that the contents of the Bible are even remotely true. The Bible is a book of myths and pseudo-history and is believed by many to be a factual account of the past; this alone warrants opposition.

The Quran is fairly new compared to the Bible, and much of it is based on the Bible, both on Old and New Testaments.  The Quran has not been attacked, and cannot be attacked as much or in the same way as the Bible has been attacked.  You attack the Quran publicly, showing your face and giving your real name, and you've just put a bounty on your own head.

I never claimed the quote provided evidence.  The quote is simply a series of facts.  People have been attacking and predicting the death of the Bible for centuries.

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Re: Attacking And Vilifying The Bible
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2009, 07:44:00 AM »
The Quran is fairly new compared to the Bible, and much of it is based on the Bible, both on Old and New Testaments.  The Quran has not been attacked, and cannot be attacked as much or in the same way as the Bible has been attacked.  You attack the Quran publicly, showing your face and giving your real name, and you've just put a bounty on your own head.

I never claimed the quote provided evidence.  The quote is simply a series of facts.  People have been attacking and predicting the death of the Bible for centuries.

Back in the 16th and 17th centuries you couldn't do that either...
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Re: Attacking And Vilifying The Bible
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2009, 10:56:32 AM »
Back in the 16th and 17th centuries you couldn't do that either...

Really?

Which of the following criticized the Bible, and how many of those were executed or assassinated for their criticism?

Thomas Abbt (1738–1766) German. would later be called Nationalism in Vom Tode für's Vaterland (On dying for one's nation).

Jean le Rond d'Alembert (1717–1783) French. Mathematician and physicist, one of the editors of Encyclopédie.

Balthasar Bekker (1634–1698) Dutch, a key figure in the Early Enlightenment. In his book De Philosophia
 
Cartesiana (1668) Bekker argued that theology and philosophy each had their separate terrain and that Nature can no more be explained from Scripture than can theological truth be deduced from Nature.
 
Pierre Bayle (1647–1706) French. Literary critic known for Nouvelles de la république des lettres and Dictionnaire historique et critique, and one of the earliest influences on the Enlightenment thinkers to advocate tolerance between the difference religious beliefs.

Justus Henning Boehmer (1674–1749), German ecclesiastical jurist, one of the first reformer of the church law and the civil law which was basis for further reforms and maintained until the 20th century.

James Boswell (1740–1795) Scottish. Biographer of Samuel Johnson, helped established the norms for writing Biography in general.

G.L. Buffon (1707–1788) French. Author of L'Histoire Naturelle who considered Natural Selection and the similarities between humans and apes.

Edmund Burke (1729–1797) Irish. Parliamentarian and political philosopher, best known for pragmatism, considered important to both liberal and conservative thinking.

James Burnett Lord Monboddo (1714–1799) Scottish. Philosopher, jurist, pre-evolutionary thinker and contributor to linguistic evolution. See Scottish Enlightenment

Dimitrie Cantemir (1673-1723) Romanian. Philosopher, historian, composer, musicologist, linguist, ethnographer, and geographer. He was a member of the Royal Academy of Berlin.

Marquis de Condorcet (1743–1794) French. Philosopher, mathematician, and early political scientist who devised the concept of a Condorcet method.

José Celestino Mutis (1755–1808), Spanish botanist and mathematician, lead the first botanic expeditions to South America, and built a major collection of plants.

Denis Diderot (1713–1784) French. Founder of the Encyclopédie, speculated on free will and attachment to material objects, contributed to the theory of literature.

Joseph-Alexandre-Victor Hupay de Fuveau,(1746–1818), writer and philosopher who had used for the first time in 1785 the word "communism" in a doctrinal sense.
 
Edward Gibbon (1737–1794) English. Historian best known for his Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.

Thomas Hobbes (1588–1679) English philosopher, who wrote Leviathan, a key text in political philosophy.

Baron d'Holbach (1723–1789) French. Author, encyclopaedist and Europe's first outspoken atheist.

Robert Hooke (1635–1703) English, probably the leading experimenter of his age, Curator of Experiments for the Royal Society.

David Hume (1711–1776) Scottish. Historian, philosopher and economist. Best known for his empiricism and scientific scepticism, advanced doctrines of naturalism and material causes. Influenced Kant and Adam Smith.

Gaspar Melchor de Jovellanos (1744–1811), Main figure of the Spanish Enlightenment. Preeminent statesman.

Immanuel Kant (1724–1804) German. Philosopher and physicist. Established critical philosophy on a systematic basis, proposed a material theory for the origin of the solar system, wrote on ethics and morals. Prescribed a politics of Enlightenment in What is Enlightenment? (1784).

Hugo Kołłątaj (1750–1812) Polish. He was active in the Commission for National Education and the Society for Elementary Textbooks, and reformed the Kraków Academy, of which he was rector in 1783–86.

Ignacy Krasicki (1735–1801): Polish. Leading poet of the Polish Enlightenment, hailed by contemporaries as "the Prince of Poets."

Gotthold Ephraim Lessing (1729–1781) German. Dramatist, critic, political philosopher.

Carl Linnaeus (1707–1778) Swedish botanist, physician and zoologist who laid the foundations for the modern scheme of Binomial nomenclature.

John Locke (1632–1704) English Philosopher.

Sebastião de Melo, Marquis of Pombal (1699–1782) Portuguese statesman notable for his swift and competent leadership in the aftermath of the 1755 Lisbon earthquake.

Benito Jerónimo Feijóo y Montenegro (1676–1764) Spanish, was the most prominent promoter of the critical empiricist attitude at the dawn of the Spanish Enlightenment. See also the Portuguese Martín Sarmiento.

Montesquieu (1689–1755) French political thinker. He is famous for his articulation of the theory of separation of powers, taken for granted in modern discussions of government and implemented in many constitutions all over the world.

Leandro Fernández de Moratín (1760–1828) Spanish. Dramatist and translator, support of republicanism and free thinking. Transitional figure to Romanticism.

Nikolay Novikov (1744–1818) Russian. Philanthropist and journalist who sought to raise the culture of Russian readers and publicly argued with the Empress.

Thomas Paine (1737–1809) English/American. Pamphleteer, Deist, and polemicist, most famous for Common Sense attacking England's domination of the colonies in America.

Francois Quesney (1694–1774) French economist of the Physiocratic school. He also practiced surgery.

Thomas Reid (1710–1796) Scottish. Presbyterian minister and Philosopher. Contributed greatly to the idea of Common-Sense philosophy and was Hume's most famous contemporary critic.

Jean-Jacques Rousseau (1712–1778) Swiss political philosopher. Argued that the basis of morality was conscience, rather than reason, as most other philosophers argued.

Adam Smith (1723–1790) Scottish economist and philosopher.

Baruch Spinoza (1632–1677) Dutch, philosopher who is considered to have laid the groundwork for the 18th century Enlightenment.

Emanuel Swedenborg (1688–1772) Natural philosopher and theologian whose search for the operation of the soul in the body led him to construct a detailed metaphysical model for spiritual-natural causation.

François-Marie Arouet (pen name Voltaire) (1694–1778) French Enlightenment writer, essayist, deist and philosopher. He wrote several books, the most famous of which is Dictionnaire Philosophique, in which he argued that organized religion is pernicious. He was the Enlightenment's most vigorous antireligious polemicist, as well as being a highly well known advocate of intellectual freedom.

Adam Weishaupt (1748–1830) German who founded the Order of the Illuminati.
John Wilkes

Christian Wolff (1679–1754) "German"

Mary Wollstonecraft (1759–1797) British writer, philosopher, and feminist.

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Re: Attacking And Vilifying The Bible
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2009, 06:59:01 PM »
Really?

Which of the following criticized the Bible, and how many of those were executed or assassinated for their criticism?

Thomas Abbt (1738–1766) German. would later be called Nationalism in Vom Tode für's Vaterland (On dying for one's nation).

Jean le Rond d'Alembert (1717–1783) French. Mathematician and physicist, one of the editors of Encyclopédie.

Balthasar Bekker (1634–1698) Dutch, a key figure in the Early Enlightenment. In his book De Philosophia
 
Cartesiana (1668) Bekker argued that theology and philosophy each had their separate terrain and that Nature can no more be explained from Scripture than can theological truth be deduced from Nature.
 
Pierre Bayle (1647–1706) French. Literary critic known for Nouvelles de la république des lettres and Dictionnaire historique et critique, and one of the earliest influences on the Enlightenment thinkers to advocate tolerance between the difference religious beliefs.

Justus Henning Boehmer (1674–1749), German ecclesiastical jurist, one of the first reformer of the church law and the civil law which was basis for further reforms and maintained until the 20th century.

James Boswell (1740–1795) Scottish. Biographer of Samuel Johnson, helped established the norms for writing Biography in general.

G.L. Buffon (1707–1788) French. Author of L'Histoire Naturelle who considered Natural Selection and the similarities between humans and apes.

Edmund Burke (1729–1797) Irish. Parliamentarian and political philosopher, best known for pragmatism, considered important to both liberal and conservative thinking.

James Burnett Lord Monboddo (1714–1799) Scottish. Philosopher, jurist, pre-evolutionary thinker and contributor to linguistic evolution. See Scottish Enlightenment

Dimitrie Cantemir (1673-1723) Romanian. Philosopher, historian, composer, musicologist, linguist, ethnographer, and geographer. He was a member of the Royal Academy of Berlin.

Marquis de Condorcet (1743–1794) French. Philosopher, mathematician, and early political scientist who devised the concept of a Condorcet method.

José Celestino Mutis (1755–1808), Spanish botanist and mathematician, lead the first botanic expeditions to South America, and built a major collection of plants.

Denis Diderot (1713–1784) French. Founder of the Encyclopédie, speculated on free will and attachment to material objects, contributed to the theory of literature.

Joseph-Alexandre-Victor Hupay de Fuveau,(1746–1818), writer and philosopher who had used for the first time in 1785 the word "communism" in a doctrinal sense.
 
Edward Gibbon (1737–1794) English. Historian best known for his Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.

Thomas Hobbes (1588–1679) English philosopher, who wrote Leviathan, a key text in political philosophy.

Baron d'Holbach (1723–1789) French. Author, encyclopaedist and Europe's first outspoken atheist.

Robert Hooke (1635–1703) English, probably the leading experimenter of his age, Curator of Experiments for the Royal Society.

David Hume (1711–1776) Scottish. Historian, philosopher and economist. Best known for his empiricism and scientific scepticism, advanced doctrines of naturalism and material causes. Influenced Kant and Adam Smith.

Gaspar Melchor de Jovellanos (1744–1811), Main figure of the Spanish Enlightenment. Preeminent statesman.

Immanuel Kant (1724–1804) German. Philosopher and physicist. Established critical philosophy on a systematic basis, proposed a material theory for the origin of the solar system, wrote on ethics and morals. Prescribed a politics of Enlightenment in What is Enlightenment? (1784).

Hugo Kołłątaj (1750–1812) Polish. He was active in the Commission for National Education and the Society for Elementary Textbooks, and reformed the Kraków Academy, of which he was rector in 1783–86.

Ignacy Krasicki (1735–1801): Polish. Leading poet of the Polish Enlightenment, hailed by contemporaries as "the Prince of Poets."

Gotthold Ephraim Lessing (1729–1781) German. Dramatist, critic, political philosopher.

Carl Linnaeus (1707–1778) Swedish botanist, physician and zoologist who laid the foundations for the modern scheme of Binomial nomenclature.

John Locke (1632–1704) English Philosopher.

Sebastião de Melo, Marquis of Pombal (1699–1782) Portuguese statesman notable for his swift and competent leadership in the aftermath of the 1755 Lisbon earthquake.

Benito Jerónimo Feijóo y Montenegro (1676–1764) Spanish, was the most prominent promoter of the critical empiricist attitude at the dawn of the Spanish Enlightenment. See also the Portuguese Martín Sarmiento.

Montesquieu (1689–1755) French political thinker. He is famous for his articulation of the theory of separation of powers, taken for granted in modern discussions of government and implemented in many constitutions all over the world.

Leandro Fernández de Moratín (1760–1828) Spanish. Dramatist and translator, support of republicanism and free thinking. Transitional figure to Romanticism.

Nikolay Novikov (1744–1818) Russian. Philanthropist and journalist who sought to raise the culture of Russian readers and publicly argued with the Empress.

Thomas Paine (1737–1809) English/American. Pamphleteer, Deist, and polemicist, most famous for Common Sense attacking England's domination of the colonies in America.

Francois Quesney (1694–1774) French economist of the Physiocratic school. He also practiced surgery.

Thomas Reid (1710–1796) Scottish. Presbyterian minister and Philosopher. Contributed greatly to the idea of Common-Sense philosophy and was Hume's most famous contemporary critic.

Jean-Jacques Rousseau (1712–1778) Swiss political philosopher. Argued that the basis of morality was conscience, rather than reason, as most other philosophers argued.

Adam Smith (1723–1790) Scottish economist and philosopher.

Baruch Spinoza (1632–1677) Dutch, philosopher who is considered to have laid the groundwork for the 18th century Enlightenment.

Emanuel Swedenborg (1688–1772) Natural philosopher and theologian whose search for the operation of the soul in the body led him to construct a detailed metaphysical model for spiritual-natural causation.

François-Marie Arouet (pen name Voltaire) (1694–1778) French Enlightenment writer, essayist, deist and philosopher. He wrote several books, the most famous of which is Dictionnaire Philosophique, in which he argued that organized religion is pernicious. He was the Enlightenment's most vigorous antireligious polemicist, as well as being a highly well known advocate of intellectual freedom.

Adam Weishaupt (1748–1830) German who founded the Order of the Illuminati.
John Wilkes

Christian Wolff (1679–1754) "German"

Mary Wollstonecraft (1759–1797) British writer, philosopher, and feminist.



None of these people come from the 16th century and only a few from the 17th century.

A lot of people prior to the 17th century were indeed killed for heretical beliefs, even scientists.

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Re: Attacking And Vilifying The Bible
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2009, 07:40:14 AM »
Really?

Which of the following criticized the Bible, and how many of those were executed or assassinated for their criticism?

Thomas Abbt (1738–1766) German. would later be called Nationalism in Vom Tode für's Vaterland (On dying for one's nation).

Jean le Rond d'Alembert (1717–1783) French. Mathematician and physicist, one of the editors of Encyclopédie.

Balthasar Bekker (1634–1698) Dutch, a key figure in the Early Enlightenment. In his book De Philosophia
 
Cartesiana (1668) Bekker argued that theology and philosophy each had their separate terrain and that Nature can no more be explained from Scripture than can theological truth be deduced from Nature.
 
Pierre Bayle (1647–1706) French. Literary critic known for Nouvelles de la république des lettres and Dictionnaire historique et critique, and one of the earliest influences on the Enlightenment thinkers to advocate tolerance between the difference religious beliefs.

Justus Henning Boehmer (1674–1749), German ecclesiastical jurist, one of the first reformer of the church law and the civil law which was basis for further reforms and maintained until the 20th century.

James Boswell (1740–1795) Scottish. Biographer of Samuel Johnson, helped established the norms for writing Biography in general.

G.L. Buffon (1707–1788) French. Author of L'Histoire Naturelle who considered Natural Selection and the similarities between humans and apes.

Edmund Burke (1729–1797) Irish. Parliamentarian and political philosopher, best known for pragmatism, considered important to both liberal and conservative thinking.

James Burnett Lord Monboddo (1714–1799) Scottish. Philosopher, jurist, pre-evolutionary thinker and contributor to linguistic evolution. See Scottish Enlightenment

Dimitrie Cantemir (1673-1723) Romanian. Philosopher, historian, composer, musicologist, linguist, ethnographer, and geographer. He was a member of the Royal Academy of Berlin.

Marquis de Condorcet (1743–1794) French. Philosopher, mathematician, and early political scientist who devised the concept of a Condorcet method.

José Celestino Mutis (1755–1808), Spanish botanist and mathematician, lead the first botanic expeditions to South America, and built a major collection of plants.

Denis Diderot (1713–1784) French. Founder of the Encyclopédie, speculated on free will and attachment to material objects, contributed to the theory of literature.

Joseph-Alexandre-Victor Hupay de Fuveau,(1746–1818), writer and philosopher who had used for the first time in 1785 the word "communism" in a doctrinal sense.
 
Edward Gibbon (1737–1794) English. Historian best known for his Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.

Thomas Hobbes (1588–1679) English philosopher, who wrote Leviathan, a key text in political philosophy.

Baron d'Holbach (1723–1789) French. Author, encyclopaedist and Europe's first outspoken atheist.

Robert Hooke (1635–1703) English, probably the leading experimenter of his age, Curator of Experiments for the Royal Society.

David Hume (1711–1776) Scottish. Historian, philosopher and economist. Best known for his empiricism and scientific scepticism, advanced doctrines of naturalism and material causes. Influenced Kant and Adam Smith.

Gaspar Melchor de Jovellanos (1744–1811), Main figure of the Spanish Enlightenment. Preeminent statesman.

Immanuel Kant (1724–1804) German. Philosopher and physicist. Established critical philosophy on a systematic basis, proposed a material theory for the origin of the solar system, wrote on ethics and morals. Prescribed a politics of Enlightenment in What is Enlightenment? (1784).

Hugo Kołłątaj (1750–1812) Polish. He was active in the Commission for National Education and the Society for Elementary Textbooks, and reformed the Kraków Academy, of which he was rector in 1783–86.

Ignacy Krasicki (1735–1801): Polish. Leading poet of the Polish Enlightenment, hailed by contemporaries as "the Prince of Poets."

Gotthold Ephraim Lessing (1729–1781) German. Dramatist, critic, political philosopher.

Carl Linnaeus (1707–1778) Swedish botanist, physician and zoologist who laid the foundations for the modern scheme of Binomial nomenclature.

John Locke (1632–1704) English Philosopher.

Sebastião de Melo, Marquis of Pombal (1699–1782) Portuguese statesman notable for his swift and competent leadership in the aftermath of the 1755 Lisbon earthquake.

Benito Jerónimo Feijóo y Montenegro (1676–1764) Spanish, was the most prominent promoter of the critical empiricist attitude at the dawn of the Spanish Enlightenment. See also the Portuguese Martín Sarmiento.

Montesquieu (1689–1755) French political thinker. He is famous for his articulation of the theory of separation of powers, taken for granted in modern discussions of government and implemented in many constitutions all over the world.

Leandro Fernández de Moratín (1760–1828) Spanish. Dramatist and translator, support of republicanism and free thinking. Transitional figure to Romanticism.

Nikolay Novikov (1744–1818) Russian. Philanthropist and journalist who sought to raise the culture of Russian readers and publicly argued with the Empress.

Thomas Paine (1737–1809) English/American. Pamphleteer, Deist, and polemicist, most famous for Common Sense attacking England's domination of the colonies in America.

Francois Quesney (1694–1774) French economist of the Physiocratic school. He also practiced surgery.

Thomas Reid (1710–1796) Scottish. Presbyterian minister and Philosopher. Contributed greatly to the idea of Common-Sense philosophy and was Hume's most famous contemporary critic.

Jean-Jacques Rousseau (1712–1778) Swiss political philosopher. Argued that the basis of morality was conscience, rather than reason, as most other philosophers argued.

Adam Smith (1723–1790) Scottish economist and philosopher.

Baruch Spinoza (1632–1677) Dutch, philosopher who is considered to have laid the groundwork for the 18th century Enlightenment.

Emanuel Swedenborg (1688–1772) Natural philosopher and theologian whose search for the operation of the soul in the body led him to construct a detailed metaphysical model for spiritual-natural causation.

François-Marie Arouet (pen name Voltaire) (1694–1778) French Enlightenment writer, essayist, deist and philosopher. He wrote several books, the most famous of which is Dictionnaire Philosophique, in which he argued that organized religion is pernicious. He was the Enlightenment's most vigorous antireligious polemicist, as well as being a highly well known advocate of intellectual freedom.

Adam Weishaupt (1748–1830) German who founded the Order of the Illuminati.
John Wilkes

Christian Wolff (1679–1754) "German"

Mary Wollstonecraft (1759–1797) British writer, philosopher, and feminist.

I was referring to the common man...rather than these luminaries.
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Re: Attacking And Vilifying The Bible
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2009, 07:47:43 AM »
None of these people come from the 16th century and only a few from the 17th century.

A lot of people prior to the 17th century were indeed killed for heretical beliefs, even scientists.

I was referring to the common man...rather than these luminaries.

For "heretical beliefs" probably.  But how could it be for "attacking" the Bible when they could not read, or did not know Latin, and even if they did they were not allowed to own or read the Bible anyway?

Reading the Bible alone would have caused anyone to have "heretical beliefs" since the Bible contradicts Roman Catholic doctrine and traditions.  That is why the Roman Catholic Church outlawed the Bible for the "common man."

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Re: Attacking And Vilifying The Bible
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2009, 08:15:57 AM »
For "heretical beliefs" probably.  But how could it be for "attacking" the Bible when they could not read, or did not know Latin, and even if they did they were not allowed to own or read the Bible anyway?

Reading the Bible alone would have caused anyone to have "heretical beliefs" since the Bible contradicts Roman Catholic doctrine and traditions.  That is why the Roman Catholic Church outlawed the Bible for the "common man."


And look what the common man has done with it.

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Re: Attacking And Vilifying The Bible
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2009, 10:11:18 AM »
And look what the common man has done with it.

What has the common man done with it?

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Re: Attacking And Vilifying The Bible
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2009, 08:46:19 PM »
Mass pogroms of genocide against non-readers throughout history?  Care to back that up?

Wasn't the Roman Catholic Church that persecuted those who read the Bible?  Only church leaders were allowed to read the Bible and only in Latin.

Perhaps a more appropriate word would have been non-believers,
...and I was thinking specifically of the Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades at the time I made the post.
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Re: Attacking And Vilifying The Bible
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2009, 08:47:41 PM »
Perhaps a more appropriate word would have been non-believers,
...and I was thinking specifically of the Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades at the time I made the post.


why do you have to bring the Spanish into it? 

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Re: Attacking And Vilifying The Bible
« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2009, 08:49:02 PM »
why do you have to bring the Spanish into it? 

Why do you think?  ::)
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Re: Attacking And Vilifying The Bible
« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2009, 08:59:03 PM »
Because my people get blamed for stuff.  Oh you came over to the americas and spread disease and killed a bunch of indians and took all the chocolate, gold and gems.  pfft.    we brought culture damnit! 

On a serious note, there has probably never been a more impactful piece of literature in the history of man that has changed the thinking and belief system as much as the bible has.  Therefore it makes it a prime target for vilification and attacks.  Weehter you belieive in it or not is a mute point.  THe fact that so many of the storeis are so fantastical in nautre also makes it a prime target.

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Re: Attacking And Vilifying The Bible
« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2009, 03:57:47 AM »
Because my people get blamed for stuff.  Oh you came over to the americas and spread disease and killed a bunch of indians and took all the chocolate, gold and gems.  pfft.    we brought culture damnit! 

On a serious note, there has probably never been a more impactful piece of literature in the history of man that has changed the thinking and belief system as much as the bible has.  Therefore it makes it a prime target for vilification and attacks.  Weehter you belieive in it or not is a mute point.  THe fact that so many of the storeis are so fantastical in nautre also makes it a prime target.

Rape has also had great impact on human history, doesn't mean it's a good thing.
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Re: Attacking And Vilifying The Bible
« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2009, 07:27:06 AM »
Rape has also had great impact on human history, doesn't mean it's a good thing.

read my post and not try to pick some random human extreme issue that was not related so that you can play devil's advocate.  I said that the bible is a piece of literature, not an act.  Also i never sad it was good or bad.  Just whether you believe it or don't.

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Re: Attacking And Vilifying The Bible
« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2009, 08:14:52 AM »
Perhaps a more appropriate word would have been non-believers,
...and I was thinking specifically of the Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades at the time I made the post.


That does not apply to the topic of this thread.  You are talking about non-believers of Roman Catholic dogma and traditions, but not about non-believers of the Bible.  Even some victims of the Spanish Inquisition for example were actually Bible readers/believers who saw how it contradicts Roman Catholic dogma and traditions.

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Re: Attacking And Vilifying The Bible
« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2009, 04:47:34 PM »
That does not apply to the topic of this thread.  You are talking about non-believers of Roman Catholic dogma and traditions, but not about non-believers of the Bible.  Even some victims of the Spanish Inquisition for example were actually Bible readers/believers who saw how it contradicts Roman Catholic dogma and traditions.

Well one would hardly expect non-believers to be avid readers would you?
Therefore, if non-believers are persecuted and killed, what do you have left?
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Re: Attacking And Vilifying The Bible
« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2009, 05:05:11 PM »
Well one would hardly expect non-believers to be avid readers would you?
Therefore, if non-believers are persecuted and killed, what do you have left?

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Re: Attacking And Vilifying The Bible
« Reply #24 on: March 27, 2009, 06:17:58 AM »
Well one would hardly expect non-believers to be avid readers would you?
Therefore, if non-believers are persecuted and killed, what do you have left?

What do you have left?  I suppose what you have left is Bible "non-believers"/"non-readers" who were persecuted by the Roman Catholic Church.  But again, they would have been persecuted for disbelieving and questioning Roman Catholic Church doctrine and traditions, not for their lack of reading or for disbelieving the Bible.  It had nothing to do with the Bible.  Your comment still does not apply to the topic of this thread.