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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #50 on: April 18, 2009, 07:11:31 AM »
Orwell was also a proponent of a federal socialist Europe, a position outlined in his 1947 essay 'Toward European Unity', which first appeared in Partisan Review.

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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #51 on: April 18, 2009, 07:12:34 AM »
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I am not trying to re-write his beliefs. For the fourth time- I agree he was a socialist. I do not believe he would be in favor of the way socialism exists today. What I find astonishing is that you are trying to argue that 1984 is in support of having big government control everything. Did you read the book?  

Repeating yourself over and over again, insulting me because I dont agree with you and typing in big font confirms my suspicions that you don't have much going on in your life besides get big. It's a nice day here in the North East. Im going to go outside. lol

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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #52 on: April 18, 2009, 07:13:46 AM »
Animal Farm is a dystopian novel by George Orwell. Published in England on 17 August 1945, the book reflects events leading up to and during the Stalin era before World War II. Orwell, a democratic socialist[1] and a member of the Independent Labour Party for many years, was a critic of Joseph Stalin and was suspicious of Moscow-directed Stalinism after his experiences with the NKVD during the Spanish Civil War. In a letter to Yvonne Davet, Orwell described Animal Farm as his novel "contre Stalin".[2]

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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #53 on: April 18, 2009, 07:14:28 AM »
and yes you fucking idiot- I know that big government has nothing to do with socialism, but in today's world it does and hence Orwell would not agree with it. Are you purposely not reading what I'm writing or are you illiterate?

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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #54 on: April 18, 2009, 07:16:49 AM »
and yes you fucking idiot- I know that big government has nothing to do with socialism, but in today's world it does and hence Orwell would not agree with it. Are you purposely not reading what I'm writing or are you illiterate?
You are SOOOOO off the mark and incorrect that its almost amusing.

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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #55 on: April 18, 2009, 07:24:33 AM »
Just proves my point of how stupid the majority of Americans are.  They call Obama a Fascist, a Socialist, a Communist, a Dictator without even realizing what the definition of any of these consist of and how different they are from each other.


I saw a sign this week from a teabagger that said, "We don`t want no Socialist Communism."

The stupidity of these people is just amazing and I see that the stupidity carries over to this message board at times even.


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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #56 on: April 18, 2009, 08:42:50 AM »
Just proves my point of how stupid the majority of Americans are.  They call Obama a Facist, a Socialist, a Communist, a Dictator without even realizing what the definition of any of these consist of and how different they are from each other.


I saw a sign this week from a teabagger that said, "We don`t want no Socialist Communism."

The stupidity of these people is just amazing and I see that the stupidity carries over to this message board at times even.



No, it just proves how stupid you are.  You spelled "fascist" wrong. ;D

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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #57 on: April 18, 2009, 08:49:18 AM »
No, it just proves how stupid you are.  You spelled "fascist" wrong. ;D
Uh, you might want to purchase a Dictionary.  Or perhaps do a web search on how to spell fascism. I spelled the word correctly, whereas you did not.

I will help you out.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism



Condor,
Please seek help. I have had to correct you a few times already this week :)

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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #58 on: April 18, 2009, 08:52:49 AM »
Uh, you might want to purchase a Dictionary.  Or perhaps do a web search on how to spell fascism. I spelled the word correctly, whereas you did not.

I will help you out.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism



Condor,
Please seek help. I have had to correct you a few times already this week :)

No, you spelled it "facist."  I have it highlighted in red. :-\

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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #59 on: April 18, 2009, 09:20:00 AM »
No, you spelled it "facist."  I have it highlighted in red. :-\
Must have been a typo and I do apologize as my fingers can get the best of me at times whilst typing.  I am sure it will happen again so try not to get too bent out of shape if it does indeed happen.

However, my point still is valid regarding dumb Americans and their inability to discern the difference between systems of rule.

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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #60 on: April 18, 2009, 09:41:59 AM »
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Pointing out a bunch of random government departments which are by and large useful to the country is totally irrelevant to the gripes people have with Obama.
Anti-government nuts, Like Pete Schiff, are anti-government nuts.  There's little rhyme or reason to their ramblings.  The fact of the matter is that there are a numerous gov. programs that serve vital purposes and are supported by tax dollars.  These anti-obama people hate tax hikes but enjoy the benefits of the federal programs. 

Sound like ungrateful punks to me.

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Also- Statewide taxes have increased exponentially as several states are on the verge of bankruptcy- NY, CA, MI, etc. etc.-- Why are they on the verge of bankruptcy? Because of too many useless, wasteful and cash hemorrhaging social programs, higher business and corporate tax rates and entitlements passed in legislation by incompetent politicians. Socialism does not work- Raising taxes in the middle of a recession will not work*
What do you mean by "Statewide taxes have increased exponentially?"

Would you show one state tax rate that has increased 'exponentially'?

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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #61 on: April 18, 2009, 09:59:26 AM »
Must have been a typo and I do apologize as my fingers can get the best of me at times whilst typing.  I am sure it will happen again so try not to get too bent out of shape if it does indeed happen.

However, my point still is valid regarding dumb Americans and their inability to discern the difference between systems of rule.

Oh, so now we're throwing in some old British English to really muck up your grammar.  You should really consult a modern style guide so you can understand that the usage of the term "whilst" is frowned upon in writing.

Either way, I thought it pertinent to point out a spelling error while reading a post regarding intelligence.


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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #62 on: April 18, 2009, 10:29:22 AM »
Oh, so now we're throwing in some old British English to really muck up your grammar.  You should really consult a modern style guide so you can understand that the usage of the term "whilst" is frowned upon in writing.

Either way, I thought it pertinent to point out a spelling error while reading a post regarding intelligence.


Please link me to this imaginary entry in an imaginary writing guide that "frowns upon" the usage of whilst in a sentence.


I guess you never have bothered to read Pinker or Chomsky or even considered Thomas Jefferson and Neology.

Hopefully you will watch this as it is only a few minutes long and it will enrich your understanding.

http://fora.tv/2008/09/12/Steven_Pinker_The_Stuff_of_Thought#chapter_09

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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #63 on: April 18, 2009, 10:35:34 AM »
Please link me to this imaginary entry in an imaginary writing guide that "frowns upon" the usage of whilst in a sentence.


I guess you never have bothered to read Pinker or Chomsky or even considered Thomas Jefferson and Neology.

Hopefully you will watch this. 

http://fora.tv/2008/09/12/Steven_Pinker_The_Stuff_of_Thought#chapter_09


An american speaking in old British English is akin to an Irishman speaking Gaelic.  Outdated.

Times Online Style Guide: "while (not whilst)"
Guardian Style Guide: "while not whilst"
Hansard: the Canadian Parliament record: "while not whilst"

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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #64 on: April 18, 2009, 10:35:53 AM »
The Accidental Neologist
A person who creates new words, or makes a point of using them, is called a neologist. In his new book, Presidential Voices, author and noted linguist Allan Metcalf points out that to date, George W. Bush and Thomas Jefferson are front runners among presidential neologists. (Jefferson is said to have originated over 100 new words or phrases.)

Metcalf believes whether we like it or not, we're all accidental neologists - the nature of American English makes it impossible not to be. When we add prefixes and suffixes - such as an ism to a president's name - we become neologists. Thomas Jefferson thought it was not only necessary but desirable to create new words and expressions. In an 1820 letter to his old friend John Adams, Jefferson wrote:

I am a friend to neology. It is the only way to give to a language copiousness and euphony. Without it we should still be held to the vocabulary of Alfred or of Ulphilas [nearly a thousand years earlier]; and held to their state of science also: for I am sure they had no words which could have conveyed the ideas of oxygen, cotyledons, zoophytes, magnetism, electricity, hyaline, and thousands of others expressing ideas not then existing, nor of possible communication in the state of their language. What a language has the French become since the date of their revolution, by the free introduction of new words! The most copious and eloquent in the living world; and equal to the Greek, had not that been regularly modifiable almost ad infinitum….


Dictionaries are but the depositories of words already legitimated by usage. Society is the workshop in which new ones are elaborated. When an individual uses a new word, if ill-formed it is rejected in society, if well-formed, adopted, and, after due time, laid up in the depository of dictionaries. And if, in this process of sound neologisation, our transatlantic brethren shall not choose to accompany us, we may furnish, after the lonians, a second example of colonial dialect improving on its primitive.

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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #65 on: April 18, 2009, 10:37:55 AM »
An american speaking in old British English is akin to an Irishman speaking Gaelic.  Outdated.

Times Online Style Guide: "while (not whilst)"
Guardian Style Guide: "while not whilst"
Hansard: the Canadian Parliament record: "while not whilst"
Again,

Please consider reading Chomsky and Pinker.

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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #66 on: April 18, 2009, 02:05:57 PM »
I dont watch fox news and am not religious ay all.  By and large I have libertarian views.

Thats funny, many things you say come DIRECTLY FROM FOX NEWS.. Sometimes word for word..

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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #67 on: April 18, 2009, 08:24:48 PM »
Decker, put on your spectacles, unclench your ass cheeks, and try hard to read every word carefully. Normally I dont dig up articles to post here because I have a life- but this took 5 seconds- enjoy.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123923448796803135.html



- From the WSJ 4/9/09

By LESLIE EATON
A free fall in tax revenue is driving more state lawmakers to turn to broad-based tax increases in a bid to close widening budget gaps.

At least 10 states are considering some kind of major increase in sales or income taxes: Arizona, Connecticut, Delaware, Illinois, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Jersey, Oregon, Washington and Wisconsin. California and New York lawmakers already have agreed on multibillion-dollar tax increases that went into effect earlier this year.

Fiscal experts say more states are likely to try to raise tax revenue in coming months, especially once they tally the latest shortfalls from April 15 income-tax filings, often the biggest single source of funds for the 43 states that levy them.

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 Chart: See state-by-state details on tax revenue and budget deficitsThe squeeze is especially severe in states hit hardest by the recession, such as Arizona, where sales-tax revenue has fallen by 10.5%, income-tax collections are down 15.7% this fiscal year, and the government faces a $3.4 billion budget gap next year. But such shortfalls are likely to be widespread; federal income-tax receipts from individuals have dropped more than 15% in the past six months, according to Congressional Budget Office estimates.

While most states so far have managed to cope with dwindling cash by cutting spending and raising fees on things such as fishing licenses and car registrations, that is unlikely to be enough in the new fiscal years that generally begin July 1, many analysts said.

"Income taxes and sales taxes are the go-to taxes when you really need to raise a lot of money," said Donald J. Boyd, who monitors states' fiscal health for the Rockefeller Institute of Government in Albany, N.Y.

Sales-tax revenue has fallen more sharply than at any time in the past 50 years, Mr. Boyd said, and he expects income-tax collections to drop below levels state officials projected -- though the extent of the damage probably won't become clear until May.

 Raising taxes is a perilous proposition for lawmakers, who must balance their states' budgets every year. Not only do they face political heat for increasing financial burdens during the recession, but added taxes risk worsening their states' economic problems by, for example, further hobbling consumer spending.

Some lawmakers say they have little choice. "With the size of our budget gap, we are looking at a situation of closing down our courts, releasing prisoners and cutting the school year by as much as a month," said Rep. Peter Buckley, co-chairman of Oregon's joint Ways and Means Committee.

His committee is considering an income-tax increase on high-earners, along with major budget cuts, to help close a projected $4.4 billion budget gap over the next two fiscal years. And things could get worse after a revenue forecast due out May 15, he said, because Oregon's unemployment rate has climbed to 10.8% and the state relies on income-tax revenue.

Oregon Gov. Ted Kulongoski is likely to support the surcharge, said a spokeswoman , because the state is faced with losing as much as a third of its tax revenue.

Legislators know the increases will be unpopular with residents. "There will be blame, we accept that," Sen. Eileen M. Daily of Connecticut said earlier this month when she and fellow Democrats announced a budget that raises income-tax rates and expands the sales tax to raise more than $3 billion over the next two years. Connecticut Gov. Jodi Rell, a Republican, has said she would veto the plan.

But some governors are proposing tax increases. Delaware Gov. Jack Markell wants to raise the marginal income-tax rate by one percentage point, to 6.95%, on those earning more than $60,000 a year, effective in 2010. His budget plan also includes increases in corporate taxes as well as spending cuts to close a projected $750 million shortfall in a $3 billion budget, said spokesman Joe Rogalsky.

Many states remain determined to balance their budgets by relying solely on spending cuts. That is the case in Indiana, where raising revenue "is really not on the table," said Pat Bauer, the speaker of the state House.

Instead, he hopes to tap the state's rainy-day fund and to produce a budget that covers only one year, rather than the usual two, because plunging revenue makes it impossible to forecast that far in advance.

Tax collections have dropped drastically the past four months, according to Christopher A. Ruhl, director of the Indiana Budget Agency. Income-tax collections, which reflect withholding and estimated tax payments, fell 21% in March compared with last year and are down 7% for the fiscal year.

States have lowered revenue forecasts repeatedly in recent months, yet the estimates still seem to exceed the grim reality. Last week, Pennsylvania officials said total March tax collections were $334.6 million, or 7.9%, short of expectations, due to sharp drops in income and sales taxes and a steep decline in corporate income taxes. For the fiscal year that began July 1, 2008, collections to date are running $1.6 billion less than forecast.

This has led some experts, such as Nicholas Johnson of the left-leaning Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, to predict more legislatures will take up broad-based tax increases as early as May or June. "The problem," he said, "is that they are filling a hole that has gotten a little deeper."


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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #68 on: April 19, 2009, 09:36:45 AM »
Yes I do...  I own one Business free and clear and the other one I have a business partner...


How does one own a business free and clear? Free and clear means no debt what so ever.

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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #69 on: April 20, 2009, 07:23:53 AM »
Yes I do...  I own one Business free and clear and the other one I have a business partner...


Thanks for the answer Busted!

Can you please post your definition of Socialism?
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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #70 on: April 20, 2009, 10:02:22 AM »
Did I miss something?

Nobody is arguing there should be NO taxes. Basic services such as Police, Fire, Sanitation and the like are essential features of any functioning society- and everyone should contribute their FAIR share.

What people object to is a massive hike on taxes to pay for things that are a waste of money, forcing some people to pay high taxes while others pay none and the concept of "spreading the wealth" and class warfare being espoused by the Obama administration. Being penalized for success is something no President should stand for.

Further, people complain about socialism when 40 million+ illegals who pay no taxes drain the services our tax dollars pay for, while many Americans can't afford to pay for basic necessities. Also, throw in the fact that more than half the country pays little to no taxes at all and it's beyond socialism, its the poor parasites leeching off of society's productive members.

Pointing out a bunch of random government departments which are by and large useful to the country is totally irrelevant to the gripes people have with Obama.

Also- Statewide taxes have increased exponentially as several states are on the verge of bankruptcy- NY, CA, MI, etc. etc.-- Why are they on the verge of bankruptcy? Because of too many useless, wasteful and cash hemorrhaging social programs, higher business and corporate tax rates and entitlements passed in legislation by incompetent politicians. Socialism does not work- Raising taxes in the middle of a recession will not work*

  These are all great points, but I think the OP was simply pointing out the hypocrisies practiced by the likes of these Tea Party goons. Yes, awarding failure, outlandish spending and big government all suck, but where were these people when Bush was giving Iraq a blank check, bailing out the banks, and making government bigger than the previous four administrations combined did?