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Pretty boring, no offense.
Post some more videos of you dancing
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does your parents know your on the computer?
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Tbombz, have you ever considered doing crossfit in your bunny costume?
Tbombz quotes: thats a several thousand dollar bunny suit, bitches. custom made by a famous l.a. designer. the photo was the last in a photo shoot i was the subject of, a photo shoot shot by a porn STAR who is well paid, well known, and who is also an astrophysicist that helped buiild the playstation, playstation 2, and a new smart t.v. yet to come out on the market that he built with an internal harddrrive, voice recognition and hand-motion controlled features.this guy, with his beloved and treasured donny darko inspired bunny suit, begged mne to pose for this.. and so voila
(http://www.gratisimage.dk/graphic/images/2013/June/05/9A19_51AF892A.jpg)
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amazing
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Do you have a longer version of that video, i couldnt quite grasp what you were doing in that one.
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amazing
;D Coach, right after I did that exercise I saw one of those heavy training ropes that I know you have your clients use, and I honestly thought "well, Coach does it so I may as well give it a try"
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Proof God doesn't exist, good job Tbombz.
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Do you have a longer version of that video, i couldnt quite grasp what you were doing in that one.
you know, around 50 second point I start turning on the turbo boosters! And thats a 20lb ball! ;D
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Proof God doesn't exist, good job Tbombz.
Proof God does exist: rooftop basketball court!
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Proof God does exist: rooftop basketball court!
Further proof. Fuck science eh.
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i take it none of you studs have ever seen an apparatus like that one ( basically an angled mini trampoline with a 20lb medicine ball) ?
it works pretty good, i liked it. sorta like using the nautilus pullover machine in a sense (at least the way i did it)
Proof God doesn't exist, good job Tbombz.
more proof God exists: going from living in a car to living in this, by the grace of God!
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Further proof. Fuck science eh.
seems like a solid scientific argument to me.
I love science.
Jesus created science, sustains science, proves science, and reveals science.
there is no science without Jesus. and all science points back to him.
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seems like a solid scientific argument to me.
I love science.
Jesus created science, sustains science, proves science, and reveals science.
there is no science without Jesus. and all science points back to him.
Can you open a coconut with your hands? Is that proof God doesn't exist? Coconuts have water and are therefore far better for survival...
You can believe in God, my gf does, but don't push it down the throat of others or use it to cover ignorance.
Name ten things science can't explain.
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Huge abscess on your tricep.
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Can you open a coconut with your hands? Is that proof God doesn't exist? Coconuts have water and are therefore far better for survival...
You can believe in God, my gf does, but don't push it down the throat of others or use it to cover ignorance.
Name ten things science can't explain.
Science can explain everything when it is revealed by God.
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i take it none of you studs have ever seen an apparatus like that one ( basically an angled mini trampoline with a 20lb medicine ball) ?
it works pretty good, i liked it. sorta like using the nautilus pullover machine in a sense (at least the way i did it)
more proof God exists: going from living in a car to living in this, by the grace of God!
Is He covering cable/Internet too, or just rent?
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Huge abscess on your tricep.
scar tissue left over from when it was removed in august
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Is He covering cable/Internet too, or just rent?
God is covering EVERYTHING (including the antenna tv ;D )
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Science can explain everything when it is revealed by God.
Look, I took drugs too, I was in the horrors but I accepted I fucked up, only I could help me. Not a higher power. I'm off years now, I don't need to blindly accept the bible or that a higher power controls me. Open your mind, you are brainwashed now; not by a drug but by religious zealots.
Did God pardon Galileo or Capernicus? Did God say don't invent lead additives for petrol or CFSs? No, nor did he inspire them. I know you feel God changed your life but you did.
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Look, I took drugs too, I was in the horrors but I accepted I fucked up, only I could help me. Not a higher power. I'm off years now, I don't need to blindly accept the bible or that a higher power controls me. Open your mind, you are brainwashed now; not by a drug but by religious zealots.
Did God pardon Galileo or Capernicus? Did God say don't invent lead additives for petrol or CFSs? No, nor did he inspire them. I know you feel God changed your life but you did.
I dont attend NA meetings or AA meetings or buy into their "It's a disease, we can't control ourselves, we are just like people with cancer and diabetes, etc".
And I think that's what you are referring to.
God gave us free will, and we are perfectly able to change our lives by using it. I agree with you.
Now, that being said, I do not blindly accept anything. I believe only that which is strictly logical, proven to me by evidence seen with my own eyes, comprehended with my own mind, felt with my own spirit.
Even until today I actively study and research all the latest scientific discoveries, theories, controversies, etc.
I assure you I understand the ideas behing why people believe in billions of years and evolution. (The supposed 'speed of light' and the supposed 'size of the universe', the supposed 'expanding-at-an-accelerating-rate universe', the genetic variations that exist in organisms and their ability to adapt to their environment, 'uniformatarian' philosophy which says the processes we see today always occured the same way in the past etc etc etc etc etc)
those are all philosophies
Real science does not speak on what it has not observed.
and real science confirms the impossibility of evolution
And if you dont give your heart to Jesus Christ and if you die lost then you will be forever separated from God and will burn in hell forever. :(
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I dont attend NA meetings or AA meetings or buy into their "It's a disease, we can't control ourselves, we are just like people with cancer and diabetes, etc".
And I think that's what you are referring to.
God gave us free will, and we are perfectly able to change our lives by using it. I agree with you.
Now, that being said, I do not blindly accept anything. I believe only that which is strictly logical, proven to me by evidence seen with my own eyes, comprehended with my own mind, felt with my own spirit.
Even until today I actively study and research all the latest scientific discoveries, theories, controversies, etc.
I assure you I understand the ideas behing why people believe in billions of years and evolution. (The supposed 'speed of light' and the supposed 'size of the universe', the supposed 'expanding-at-an-accelerating-rate universe', the genetic variations that exist in organisms and their ability to adapt to their environment, 'uniformatarian' philosophy which says the processes we see today always occured the same way in the past etc etc etc etc etc)
those are all philosophies
Real science does not speak on what it has not observed.
and real science confirms the impossibility of evolution
And if you dont give your heart to Jesus Christ and if you die lost then you will be forever separated from God and will burn in hell forever. :(
What convinced you that Jesus is the way?
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I dont attend NA meetings or AA meetings or buy into their "It's a disease, we can't control ourselves, we are just like people with cancer and diabetes, etc".
And I think that's what you are referring to.
God gave us free will, and we are perfectly able to change our lives by using it. I agree with you.
Now, that being said, I do not blindly accept anything. I believe only that which is strictly logical, proven to me by evidence seen with my own eyes, comprehended with my own mind, felt with my own spirit.
Even until today I actively study and research all the latest scientific discoveries, theories, controversies, etc.
I assure you I understand the ideas behing why people believe in billions of years and evolution. (The supposed 'speed of light' and the supposed 'size of the universe', the supposed 'expanding-at-an-accelerating-rate universe', the genetic variations that exist in organisms and their ability to adapt to their environment, 'uniformatarian' philosophy which says the processes we see today always occured the same way in the past etc etc etc etc etc)
those are all philosophies
Real science does not speak on what it has not observed.
and real science confirms the impossibility of evolution
And if you dont give your heart to Jesus Christ and if you die lost then you will be forever separated from God and will burn in hell forever. :(
The speed of light is absolute. Proven. Search the definition of a metre.
The expansion of the universe is proven. Search Hubble and red shift.
Evolution is backed by a huge body of evidence and empirical evidence. Watch Planet Earth by Attenborough for the most basic explanation.
If you believe God gives you the power to do these things, no issue, if you believe God does these things for you he doesn't. I remember praying to God to stop me taking things made fuck all difference. Running out of supply and other things made me stop.
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Is He covering cable/Internet too, or just rent?
apparently God is a gay schmoe and he pimps aids ridden failed bodybuilders.
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apparently God is a gay schmoe and he pimps aids ridden failed bodybuilders.
What happened your Obama avatar? I liked that :-[
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seriously tho, how can that bum afford such a lifestyle -and bragg about it-. Who s paying for all of this, if he isnt.
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What happened your Obama avatar? I liked that :-[
Why?
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Why?
Repeat of Obama trying to get in the door? Good times of my gf being locked out without a spare key ran through my head.
Oh the power...
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Repeat of Obama trying to get in the door? Good times of my gf being locked out without a spare key ran through my head.
Oh the power...
Ah, never saw it.
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Ah, never saw it.
Can't find gif but this is jpg
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01856/obama2a_1856808c.jpg)
He kept trying to get in door but it was locked.
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scar tissue left over from when it was removed in august
Haha finally.... for years you tried to explain the lump as extreme lateral head development resulting from underhand cable extensions, or some bullshit like that
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What convinced you that Jesus is the way?
Oh Man! Too much to fit into one reply! How can I tell you? I think I will make a video... give me 20-30 minutes and ill post one up for you :)
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Oh Man! Too much to fit into one reply! How can I tell you? I think I will make a video... give me 20-30 minutes and ill post one up for you :)
Oh, boy.
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The speed of light is absolute. Proven. Search the definition of a metre.
NO its not
The expansion of the universe is proven. Search Hubble and red shift.
No its not
Evolution is backed by a huge body of evidence and empirical evidence. Watch Planet Earth by Attenborough for the most basic explanation.
NO its not
If you believe God gives you the power to do these things, no issue, if you believe God does these things for you he doesn't. I remember praying to God to stop me taking things made fuck all difference. Running out of supply and other things made me stop.
God gives us free will
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Is He covering cable/Internet too, or just rent?
The US government works in mysterious ways.
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Oh Man! Too much to fit into one reply! How can I tell you? I think I will make a video... give me 20-30 minutes and ill post one up for you :)
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Further proof. Fuck science eh.
Too bad that banana is genetically engineered and not a wild banana.
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What convinced you that Jesus is the way?
He got AIDS.
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All right, so drugs and jail. Thanks.
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Tbombz, have you ever considered doing crossfit in your bunny costume?
Tbombz quotes: thats a several thousand dollar bunny suit, bitches. custom made by a famous l.a. designer. the photo was the last in a photo shoot i was the subject of, a photo shoot shot by a porn STAR who is well paid, well known, and who is also an astrophysicist that helped buiild the playstation, playstation 2, and a new smart t.v. yet to come out on the market that he built with an internal harddrrive, voice recognition and hand-motion controlled features.this guy, with his beloved and treasured donny darko inspired bunny suit, begged mne to pose for this.. and so voila
(http://www.gratisimage.dk/graphic/images/2013/June/05/9A19_51AF892A.jpg)
lol
would love to do crossfit with tbombz in matching bunny suits.
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All right, so drugs and jail. Thanks.
you obfuscate. Anyways, there is plenty of more evidence. When you open your ears, God starts talking. The sirens of emergency vehicles and alarms become synchronized with your soul, and they start to go off when you start thinjing evil thoughts. Literally. Blessings of success in your endeAvors happen when you bless others. Prayers are answered, miracles happen. Things that can not be coincidence prove God, and teach faith.
But to you, the world is disorder and meaningless and random.
To you the message of the cross is foolishness, but to those being saved it is the power of God.
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i take it none of you studs have ever seen an apparatus like that one ( basically an angled mini trampoline with a 20lb medicine ball) ?
it works pretty good, i liked it. sorta like using the nautilus pullover machine in a sense (at least the way i did it)
more proof God exists: going from living in a car to living in this, by the grace of God!
He should get some of those vertical blinds so the neighbors at that corner can't look in.
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He should get some of those vertical blinds so the neighbors at that corner can't look in.
were putting in curtains soon
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were putting in curtains soon
Cool, place looks pretty good. 8)
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were putting in curtains soon
Did the astrophysicist let you keep the bunny costume? Do you ever wear it for your gf?
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At least with AIDS waiting in the wings you'll die quickly when you go back on the hard drugs ... and save the taxpayers from carrying your burden for years.
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(http://s29.postimg.org/l6i8v0f47/wept.jpg)
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Why not go outside with a basketball?
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You should do a movie called Living Large.
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Tombz, we get that moved you from living in a car to an apartment, but whose name is actually on the checks that pays the rent?
uncle sam, your GF or a new sponsor?
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I dont attend NA meetings or AA meetings or buy into their "It's a disease, we can't control ourselves, we are just like people with cancer and diabetes, etc".
And I think that's what you are referring to.
God gave us free will, and we are perfectly able to change our lives by using it. I agree with you.
Now, that being said, I do not blindly accept anything. I believe only that which is strictly logical, proven to me by evidence seen with my own eyes, comprehended with my own mind, felt with my own spirit.
Even until today I actively study and research all the latest scientific discoveries, theories, controversies, etc.
I assure you I understand the ideas behing why people believe in billions of years and evolution. (The supposed 'speed of light' and the supposed 'size of the universe', the supposed 'expanding-at-an-accelerating-rate universe', the genetic variations that exist in organisms and their ability to adapt to their environment, 'uniformatarian' philosophy which says the processes we see today always occured the same way in the past etc etc etc etc etc)
those are all philosophies
Real science does not speak on what it has not observed.
and real science confirms the impossibility of evolution
And if you dont give your heart to Jesus Christ and if you die lost then you will be forever separated from God and will burn in hell forever. :(
How can you say strictly logical then go into a subjective frenzy of spirit, feelings and your own eyes. Did you also just say real science confirms the impossibility of evolution? dude, cmon.
post some of this evidence from ray comfort please.
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How can you say strictly logical then go into a subjective frenzy of spirit, feelings and your own eyes. Did you also just say real science confirms the impossibility of evolution? dude, cmon.
post some of this evidence from ray comfort please.
Why bother. Hes not a very bright fella.
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Tombz, we get that moved you from living in a car to an apartment, but whose name is actually on the checks that pays the rent?
uncle sam, your GF or a new sponsor?
he wont answer for some reasons...
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you obfuscate. Anyways, there is plenty of more evidence. When you open your ears, God starts talking. The sirens of emergency vehicles and alarms become synchronized with your soul, and they start to go off when you start thinjing evil thoughts. Literally. Blessings of success in your endeAvors happen when you bless others. Prayers are answered, miracles happen. Things that can not be coincidence prove God, and teach faith.
But to you, the world is disorder and meaningless and random.
To you the message of the cross is foolishness, but to those being saved it is the power of God.
who are you to tell people what they think? that the world is meaningless? i see order everywhere, the universe is orderly, I see life as meaningful because there is only one. In your eyes you will live for eternity, one thing eternity does is make everything meaningless.
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Tbombz is scared and Christianity loves to feed off the fear and desperation of people who have burned every bridge and desperatly want to belong to something, anything.
It's pretty sad to see, the kid is flailing around in the dark grasping on to anything he can find. Just another addiction...
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since when is trampoline and a medicine ball called a Machine ??? ???
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Cool, place looks pretty good. 8)
thanks :)
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Why not go outside with a basketball?
you didnt see this?
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Who is paying for all of this?
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you obfuscate. Anyways, there is plenty of more evidence. When you open your ears, God starts talking. The sirens of emergency vehicles and alarms become synchronized with your soul, and they start to go off when you start thinjing evil thoughts. Literally. Blessings of success in your endeAvors happen when you bless others. Prayers are answered, miracles happen. Things that can not be coincidence prove God, and teach faith.
But to you, the world is disorder and meaningless and random.
To you the message of the cross is foolishness, but to those being saved it is the power of God.
Wow, seems God has granted you mind reading capabilities as well. Saved and chosen, awesome combo.
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thanks :)
Great stuff tmobz I love your videos, keep em coming.
About the "higher power" stuff, most people view this as something external or something inside a book, some ideology, not something deep down inside every individuals persons heart, sad part is most people don't realize or even know they have it or ever tap into it to its full extent yet not realizing they use it on a daily basis with the thousand billion processes and the very thing that keeps them alive on a second by second basis.
They view it as some kind of "religion" when they don't even understand the meaning of the word or what true religion actually even mean.
True religion = absolute truth and its not a matter of ideology or "belief system" but matter of 100% absolute science.
Glad to know you are on the level.
Peace
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Great stuff tmobz I love your videos, keep em coming.
About the "higher power" stuff, most people view this as something external or something inside a book, some ideology, not something deep down inside every individuals persons heart, sad part is most people don't realize or even know they have it or ever tap into it to its full extent yet not realizing they use it on a daily basis with the thousand billion processes and the very thing that keeps them alive on a second by second basis.
They view it as some kind of "religion" when they don't even understand the meaning of the word or what true religion actually even mean.
True religion = absolute truth and its not a matter of ideology or "belief system" but matter of 100% absolute science.
Glad to know you are on the level.
Peace
I don't think you're paying attention.
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How can you say strictly logical then go into a subjective frenzy of spirit, feelings and your own eyes. Did you also just say real science confirms the impossibility of evolution? dude, cmon.
post some of this evidence from ray comfort please.
Logical means with reason. reason means with evidence. evidence means perceived relation. this is what all science boils down to.
Can mutation create new information? Yes, depending on what you mean by ‘information’. Also, ‘new’ does not necessarily imply ‘better’ or even ‘good’. When evolutionists cite examples of ‘new’ information, they are almost invariably citing evidence of new traits, but these traits are caused by the corruption of existing information. Mutations can create new varieties of old genes, as can be seen in white-coated lab mice, tailless cats, and blue-eyed people. But damaging mutations cannot be used to vindicate molecules-to-people evolution. Breaking things does not lead to higher function (and presupposes a pre-existing function that can be broken). Also, not all new traits are caused by mutation! Some come about by unscrambling pre-existing information, some from decompressing packed information, some from turning on and off certain genes.
In all the examples I have seen used to argue against creation, evolution is not helped. There are no known examples of the types of information-gaining mutations necessary for large-scale evolutionary processes. In fact, it looks like all examples of gain-of-function mutations, put in light of the long-term needs of upward evolutionary progress, are exceptions to what is needed, because every example I have seen involves something breaking.
http://creation.com/mutations-new-information
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who are you to tell people what they think? that the world is meaningless? i see order everywhere, the universe is orderly, I see life as meaningful because there is only one. In your eyes you will live for eternity, one thing eternity does is make everything meaningless.
your imagination deceives you.
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Tbombz is scared and Christianity loves to feed off the fear and desperation of people who have burned every bridge and desperatly want to belong to something, anything.
It's pretty sad to see, the kid is flailing around in the dark grasping on to anything he can find. Just another addiction...
Rejoice in The Lord always; again I say, rejoice!
Jesus did not come to condemn, but to save. And this is very good news.
Yes, fear of God is the begiining of wisdom. This is because knowledge begins when we know what power ultimately controls everything. and fear of that power which controls everything is the foundation for all sound judgement. But, knowledge of The Holy One is understanding. And that understanding is that God is GOOD! ALL THE TIME GOD IS GOOD! He is so good that he came down and submitted himself to torture and crucifixion in order to save us from eternal torment. He loves and and all he wants is what is best for us. no matter what we have done. and we know that if we love him, then we have nothing to fear because we are hidden from his wrath and covered in his great love.
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you didnt see this?
That's sweet!
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Rejoice in The Lord always; again I say, rejoice!
Jesus did not come to condemn, but to save. And this is very good news.
Yes, fear of God is the begiining of wisdom. This is because knowledge begins when we know what power ultimately controls everything. and fear of that power which controls everything is the foundation for all sound judgement. But, knowledge of The Holy One is understanding. And that understanding is that God is GOOD! ALL THE TIME GOD IS GOOD! He is so good that he came down and submitted himself to torture and crucifixion in order to save us from eternal torment. He loves and and all he wants is what is best for us. no matter what we have done. and we know that if we love him, then we have nothing to fear because we are hidden from his wrath and covered in his great love.
Good luck with that. Myths and fantasy in place of bunny costumes and dreams of being a pro BBer. You just spinning in place.
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Logical means with reason. reason means with evidence. evidence means perceived relation. this is what all science boils down to.
Can mutation create new information? Yes, depending on what you mean by ‘information’. Also, ‘new’ does not necessarily imply ‘better’ or even ‘good’. When evolutionists cite examples of ‘new’ information, they are almost invariably citing evidence of new traits, but these traits are caused by the corruption of existing information. Mutations can create new varieties of old genes, as can be seen in white-coated lab mice, tailless cats, and blue-eyed people. But damaging mutations cannot be used to vindicate molecules-to-people evolution. Breaking things does not lead to higher function (and presupposes a pre-existing function that can be broken). Also, not all new traits are caused by mutation! Some come about by unscrambling pre-existing information, some from decompressing packed information, some from turning on and off certain genes.
In all the examples I have seen used to argue against creation, evolution is not helped. There are no known examples of the types of information-gaining mutations necessary for large-scale evolutionary processes. In fact, it looks like all examples of gain-of-function mutations, put in light of the long-term needs of upward evolutionary progress, are exceptions to what is needed, because every example I have seen involves something breaking.
http://creation.com/mutations-new-information
I doubt you have any understanding of the above information.
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I doubt you have any understanding of the above information.
It's funny and disturbing to watch this kid spew someone else's rhetoric and arguments. Just another puppet...
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It's funny and disturbing to watch this kid spew someone else's rhetoric and arguments. Just another puppet...
Hes floating aimlessly throught life, desperately grabbing at anything.
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it's sad to see actually. Personal revelation is evidence guys, I rode my unicorn home tonight, personal revelation, I was talking to jesus later= evident, cawnt argu it.
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it's sad to see actually. Personal revelation is evidence guys, I rode my unicorn home tonight, personal revelation, I was talking to jesus later= evident, cawnt argu it.
Hahahhahahahahah
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It's one thing to seek out God/spirituality/truth, etc. and feel you have an experience of some sort, however you want to interpret it. Not gonna judge that. But to be detoxing in lock-up, seeing giant creatures and whatnot, and then attributing that to "demons"? That sounds lazy to me.
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It's funny, tbombz sounds the same whether he's arguing for the beauty of wearing a bunny suit while being used as a sex toy by some creepy older guy or for the "evidence" about Jesus
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It's funny, tbombz sounds the same whether he's arguing for the beauty of wearing a bunny suit while being used as a sex toy by some creepy older guy or for the "evidence" about Jesus
Yes, impossible to take seriously.
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Yes, impossible to take seriously.
He should stop taking the meds science gave him, as science is obviously horseshit, and just pray the AIDS away. Put his money where his mouth is.
I tried to be respectful to him but he is too pig headed and deluded by religion.
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He should stop taking the meds science gave him, as science is obviously horseshit, and just pray the AIDS away. Put his money where his mouth is.
I tried to be respectful to him but he is too pig headed and deluded by religion.
It's already been suggested. Can't recall his response, if he responded at all.
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Why I hate public gyms not knowing that the same machine or bench that is littered with germs isn't from some HIV positive person who used it just before you.
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He should stop taking the meds science gave him, as science is obviously horseshit, and just pray the AIDS away. Put his money where his mouth is.
I tried to be respectful to him but he is too pig headed and deluded by religion.
he was a moron before religion , he s still a moron. Still didnt answer where he got the money from to afford all that stuff.
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In competition with "Bro Science...."
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he was a moron before religion , he s still a moron. Still didnt answer where he got the money from to afford all that stuff.
Welfare?
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Welfare?
No, God's got it. Divine checking account.
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Who is paying for all of this?
Uncle Junior
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Better then doing drugs ! keep it up
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Nice apartment.
I pay nearly 2k for a tiny 1br 1bath :(
Did you or your gf finally get a job?
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Nice apartment.
I pay nearly 2k for a tiny 1br 1bath :(
Did you or your gf finally get a job?
Geeze, where?
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I posted a scientific article explaining why evolution is not science
Someone says I didnt understand it
But no one responds to it
Yet everyone claims they know science and evolution is science and im stupid because I dont agree
I could have put that article I posted into my own words and passed it off as my own logic. Like how all of you parrot the stuff you hear on the "cosmos" program and pass it off as your own
When it comes down to it, the truth is the truth is the truth
I just pray yall see it
And I apologize for being such a poor example of a Christian, because I pray I could be a better witness to yall
Back on subject.. nobody used an apparatus like that medicine ball/trampoline thing before?
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That's sweet!
yeah, brother! 8)
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I posted a scientific article explaining why evolution is not science
Someone says I didnt understand it
But no one responds to it
Yet everyone claims they know science and evolution is science and im stupid because I dont agree
I could have put that article I posted into my own words and passed it off as my own logic. Like how all of you parrot the stuff you hear on the "cosmos" program and pass it off as your own
When it comes down to it, the truth is the truth is the truth
I just pray yall see it
And I apologize for being such a poor example of a Christian, because I pray I could be a better witness to yall
Back on subject.. nobody used an apparatus like that medicine ball/trampoline thing before?
you just hide behind someone else's words like a child----just another brainwashed deluded lost kid reflexively spewing out random bible passages and inane arguments
in a thousand years Jesus and the holy ghost etc while be just as absurd notions as modern Christians view the pagan gods
if you really stood back and looked at Christianity with an unbias perspective you'd realize how bizarre and absurd the religion is. It always kills me when Christians comment on how "weird" and unbelievable another religion is. Im like, "dude you eat your saviors body at church, that's pretty fucking weird".
anything can seem "normal", if its been battered into one incessantly...
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yeah, brother! 8)
How much do you pay for an 'all you can move' gym like that?
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"Can mutation create new information? Yes, depending on what you mean by ‘information’. Also, ‘new’ does not necessarily imply ‘better’ or even ‘good’. When evolutionists cite examples of ‘new’ information, they are almost invariably citing evidence of new traits, but these traits are caused by the corruption of existing information. Mutations can create new varieties of old genes, as can be seen in white-coated lab mice, tailless cats, and blue-eyed people. But damaging mutations cannot be used to vindicate molecules-to-people evolution. Breaking things does not lead to higher function (and presupposes a pre-existing function that can be broken). Also, not all new traits are caused by mutation! Some come about by unscrambling pre-existing information, some from decompressing packed information, some from turning on and off certain genes.
In all the examples I have seen used to argue against creation, evolution is not helped. There are no known examples of the types of information-gaining mutations necessary for large-scale evolutionary processes. In fact, it looks like all examples of gain-of-function mutations, put in light of the long-term needs of upward evolutionary progress, are exceptions to what is needed, because every example I have seen involves something breaking."
what do you mean by breaking? define information please. molecules to people? what the fuck is that? who ever claimed that?
this is so juvenile I can't even read it, breaking things? sickle cell anemia is a "break". turning on or off genes has a massive effect, all living species share the same DNA, hence gene expression is all that seperates us (aside from the codons).
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How much do you pay for an 'all you can move' gym like that?
membership is about 60/month for both me and the wife
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you just hide behind someone else's words like a child----just another brainwashed deluded lost kid reflexively spewing out random bible passages and inane arguments
in a thousand years Jesus and the holy ghost etc while be just as absurd notions as modern Christians view the pagan gods
if you really stood back and looked at Christianity with an unbias perspective you'd realize how bizarre and absurd the religion is. It always kills me when Christians comment on how "weird" and unbelievable another religion is. Im like, "dude you eat your saviors body at church, that's pretty fucking weird".
anything can seem "normal", if its been battered into one incessantly...
I hide behind the words of God.. you hide behind the words of men..
Catholic traditions are not Christianity. They are Catholic traditions.
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Tbombz, have you ever considered doing crossfit in your bunny costume?
Tbombz quotes: thats a several thousand dollar bunny suit, bitches. custom made by a famous l.a. designer. the photo was the last in a photo shoot i was the subject of, a photo shoot shot by a porn STAR who is well paid, well known, and who is also an astrophysicist that helped buiild the playstation, playstation 2, and a new smart t.v. yet to come out on the market that he built with an internal harddrrive, voice recognition and hand-motion controlled features.this guy, with his beloved and treasured donny darko inspired bunny suit, begged mne to pose for this.. and so voila
(http://www.gratisimage.dk/graphic/images/2013/June/05/9A19_51AF892A.jpg)
SF you need to stop, you're killing me with laughter. >:(
If it ain't your post, it's your profile picture. I can't read a single thread while commuting because I will burst out in uncontrollable laughter.
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I hide behind the words of God.. you hide behind the words of men..
Catholic traditions are not Christianity. They are Catholic traditions.
HA God---bullshit-----the bible's just words written by men, just shows how deluded you are.
but I guess the truth is the truth is the truth huh ::)
you're just being used for another's agenda----cant you ever just stand up and be your own man??
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The meta-information challenge
We need to get past the naïve idea that we understand the genome because we know the sequence of a linear string of DNA. In fact, all we know is the first dimension out of at least four in which the genome operates (1: the one-dimensional, linear string of letters; 2: the two-dimensional interactions of one part of the string with another, directly or through RNA and protein proxies; 3: the three-dimensional spatial structure of the DNA within the nucleus; and 4: changes to the 1st, 2nd and 3rd dimensions over time). There is a tremendous amount of information packed into that genome that we have not figured out, including multiple simultaneously-overlapping codes.48 When discussing whether or not mutations can create new information, evolutionists routinely bring up an overly-simplistic view of mutation and then claim to have solved the problem while waving their hand over the real issue: the antagonism between ultra-complexity and random mutation.
If a four-dimensional genome is hard enough to grasp, there is also a huge amount of ‘meta-information’ in the genome. This is information about the information! This is the information that tells the cell how to maintain the information, how to fix it if it breaks, how to copy it, how to interpret what is there, how to use it, when to use it, and how to pass it on to the next generation. This is all coded in that linear string of letters and life could not exist without it. In fact, life was designed from a top-down perspective, apparently with the meta-information coming first. According to a brilliant paper by Alex Williams,49 for life to exist, organisms require a hierarchy of
1. Perfectly pure, single-molecule-specific biochemistry,
2. specially structured molecules,
3. functionally integrated molecular machines,
4.comprehensively regulated, information-driven metabolic functions, and
5. Inversely-causal meta-information
None of these levels can be obtained through natural processes, none can be predicted from the level below, and each is dependent on the level above. Meta-information is the top level of biological complexity and cannot be explained by naturalistic mechanisms, yet life cannot exist without it.50 Putting all other arguments for and against the rise of biological information aside, where did the meta-information, upon which all life depends, come from?
"Can mutation create new information? Yes, depending on what you mean by ‘information’. Also, ‘new’ does not necessarily imply ‘better’ or even ‘good’. When evolutionists cite examples of ‘new’ information, they are almost invariably citing evidence of new traits, but these traits are caused by the corruption of existing information. Mutations can create new varieties of old genes, as can be seen in white-coated lab mice, tailless cats, and blue-eyed people. But damaging mutations cannot be used to vindicate molecules-to-people evolution. Breaking things does not lead to higher function (and presupposes a pre-existing function that can be broken). Also, not all new traits are caused by mutation! Some come about by unscrambling pre-existing information, some from decompressing packed information, some from turning on and off certain genes.
In all the examples I have seen used to argue against creation, evolution is not helped. There are no known examples of the types of information-gaining mutations necessary for large-scale evolutionary processes. In fact, it looks like all examples of gain-of-function mutations, put in light of the long-term needs of upward evolutionary progress, are exceptions to what is needed, because every example I have seen involves something breaking."
what do you mean by breaking? define information please. molecules to people? what the fuck is that? who ever claimed that?
this is so juvenile I can't even read it, breaking things? sickle cell anemia is a "break". turning on or off genes has a massive effect, all living species share the same DNA, hence gene expression is all that seperates us (aside from the codons).
it wasn't written by me, it was written by the same PHD who wrote this:
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HA God---bullshit-----the bible's just words written by men, just shows how deluded you are.
but I guess the truth is the truth is the truth huh ::)
you're just being used for another's agenda----cant you ever just stand up and be your own man??
in this day and age I feel like standing up for The Bible is just about as against the grain as one can possibly get. I dont know where you live, but I live in a world where everyone believes that we evolved from seaweed in the ocean. If anyone is being a sheep, its all the people who believe in that hogwash
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in this day and age I feel like standing up for The Bible is just about as against the grain as one can possibly get. I dont know where you live, but I live in a world where everyone believes that we evolved from seaweed in the ocean. If anyone is being a sheep, its all the people who believe in that hogwash
hmmm careful scientific empirical knowledge vs. myth, faith, "the truth is the truth is the truth" and an imaginary man who became a zombie
have you ever taken an advanced chemistry class, organic chemistry? Its pretty obvious from this copy and paste crap you haven't.
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in this day and age I feel like standing up for The Bible is just about as against the grain as one can possibly get. I dont know where you live, but I live in a world where everyone believes that we evolved from seaweed in the ocean. If anyone is being a sheep, its all the people who believe in that hogwash
You're the typical, I got into trouble so I'm going to pester god, kind of person. Eventually when all this religion stuff is to hard for you to follow, you'll move onto something else.
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hmmm careful scientific empirical knowledge vs. myth, faith, "the truth is the truth is the truth" and an imaginary man who became a zombie
have you ever taken an advanced chemistry class, organic chemistry? Its pretty obvious from this copy and paste crap you haven't.
if you know what empirical means then you should understand that evolution is not empirical
No one has ever seen a seaweed turn into a human
Neither has anyone seen an ape turn into an apeman
Evolution is imagination, nothing more than a fantasy
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You're the typical, I got into trouble so I'm going to pester god, kind of person. Eventually when all this religion stuff is to hard for you to follow, you'll move onto something else.
the nice thing is that God is good, he loves us, and he only wants whats best for us. He doesn't require much, just our hearts, and thats all. God is not religion, he isnt some set of rules to follow, he is our loving Father to have a relationship with.
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if you know what empirical means then you should understand that evolution is not empirical
No one has ever seen a seaweed turn into a human
Neither has anyone seen an ape turn into an apeman
Evolution is imagination, nothing more than a fantasy
We have seen evolution of sorts.
Think about cars from 1914 to now. Over 100 yrs and now we have cars that can drive themselves, and later talk to other cars.
I'm reading an article in Scientific America about how feathers evolved---from dinosaurs, and how then certain dinosaurs evolved into feather covered therapods, and then these therapods eventually evolved into birds.
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The meta-information challenge
We need to get past the naïve idea that we understand the genome because we know the sequence of a linear string of DNA. In fact, all we know is the first dimension out of at least four in which the genome operates (1: the one-dimensional, linear string of letters; 2: the two-dimensional interactions of one part of the string with another, directly or through RNA and protein proxies; 3: the three-dimensional spatial structure of the DNA within the nucleus; and 4: changes to the 1st, 2nd and 3rd dimensions over time). There is a tremendous amount of information packed into that genome that we have not figured out, including multiple simultaneously-overlapping codes.48 When discussing whether or not mutations can create new information, evolutionists routinely bring up an overly-simplistic view of mutation and then claim to have solved the problem while waving their hand over the real issue: the antagonism between ultra-complexity and random mutation.
If a four-dimensional genome is hard enough to grasp, there is also a huge amount of ‘meta-information’ in the genome. This is information about the information! This is the information that tells the cell how to maintain the information, how to fix it if it breaks, how to copy it, how to interpret what is there, how to use it, when to use it, and how to pass it on to the next generation. This is all coded in that linear string of letters and life could not exist without it. In fact, life was designed from a top-down perspective, apparently with the meta-information coming first. According to a brilliant paper by Alex Williams,49 for life to exist, organisms require a hierarchy of
1. Perfectly pure, single-molecule-specific biochemistry,
2. specially structured molecules,
3. functionally integrated molecular machines,
4.comprehensively regulated, information-driven metabolic functions, and
5. Inversely-causal meta-information
None of these levels can be obtained through natural processes, none can be predicted from the level below, and each is dependent on the level above. Meta-information is the top level of biological complexity and cannot be explained by naturalistic mechanisms, yet life cannot exist without it.50 Putting all other arguments for and against the rise of biological information aside, where did the meta-information, upon which all life depends, come from?
it wasn't written by me, it was written by the same PHD who wrote this:
I know it wasn't written by you, but if you post it as evidence against evolution you should at least understand it so that you can like me critically appraise it and see that it is horseshit.
Alex williams proposed these things? this guy?
http://creation.com/alexander-williams
hate to break it to you bro, he isn't a PHD in shit, and his area of study has nothing to do with abiogenesis. This is pure stupidity, why am I even wasting my time. You are lost man, get a grip. This fucking guy even argues against the big bang (he is a PHD extraordinarie, going from physics to biology and back, crushing each theory with simple logic) and fossils, he wrote a book called the fossils say no! this guy isn't interested in truth, just confirmation for his backward views. This guy should have several nobel's.
What the fuck is meta-information? information about information? I suppose god is the source huh? wait, where did the meta information for god come from? nevermind, god is eternal and lives outside of time right?
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the nice thing is that God is good, he loves us, and he only wants whats best for us. He doesn't require much, just our hearts, and thats all. God is not religion, he isnt some set of rules to follow, he is our loving Father to have a relationship with.
Already making your own rules. You're easy pickings for a cult leader.
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kid's as obstinate now as he was when he was a drugbag dreaming of being a pro BBer
tried to warn him 7 yrs ago---and predicted his current condition
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=159366.0
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The meta-information challenge
We need to get past the naïve idea that we understand the genome because we know the sequence of a linear string of DNA. In fact, all we know is the first dimension out of at least four in which the genome operates (1: the one-dimensional, linear string of letters; 2: the two-dimensional interactions of one part of the string with another, directly or through RNA and protein proxies; 3: the three-dimensional spatial structure of the DNA within the nucleus; and 4: changes to the 1st, 2nd and 3rd dimensions over time). There is a tremendous amount of information packed into that genome that we have not figured out, including multiple simultaneously-overlapping codes.48 When discussing whether or not mutations can create new information, evolutionists routinely bring up an overly-simplistic view of mutation and then claim to have solved the problem while waving their hand over the real issue: the antagonism between ultra-complexity and random mutation.
If a four-dimensional genome is hard enough to grasp, there is also a huge amount of ‘meta-information’ in the genome. This is information about the information! This is the information that tells the cell how to maintain the information, how to fix it if it breaks, how to copy it, how to interpret what is there, how to use it, when to use it, and how to pass it on to the next generation. This is all coded in that linear string of letters and life could not exist without it. In fact, life was designed from a top-down perspective, apparently with the meta-information coming first. According to a brilliant paper by Alex Williams,49 for life to exist, organisms require a hierarchy of
1. Perfectly pure, single-molecule-specific biochemistry,
2. specially structured molecules,
3. functionally integrated molecular machines,
4.comprehensively regulated, information-driven metabolic functions, and
5. Inversely-causal meta-information
None of these levels can be obtained through natural processes, none can be predicted from the level below, and each is dependent on the level above. Meta-information is the top level of biological complexity and cannot be explained by naturalistic mechanisms, yet life cannot exist without it.50 Putting all other arguments for and against the rise of biological information aside, where did the meta-information, upon which all life depends, come from?
it wasn't written by me, it was written by the same PHD who wrote this:
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kid's as obstinate now as he was when he was a drugbag dreaming of being a pro BBer
tried to warn him 7 yrs ago---and predicted his current condition
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=159366.0
His obstinance comes from being completely self-absorbed.
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American Idol sucks.
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membership is about 60/month for both me and the wife
Sounds like a good deal for a gym like that.
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I know it wasn't written by you, but if you post it as evidence against evolution you should at least understand it so that you can like me critically appraise it and see that it is horseshit.
Alex williams proposed these things? this guy?
http://creation.com/alexander-williams
hate to break it to you bro, he isn't a PHD in shit, and his area of study has nothing to do with abiogenesis. This is pure stupidity, why am I even wasting my time. You are lost man, get a grip. This fucking guy even argues against the big bang (he is a PHD extraordinarie, going from physics to biology and back, crushing each theory with simple logic) and fossils, he wrote a book called the fossils say no! this guy isn't interested in truth, just confirmation for his backward views. This guy should have several nobel's.
What the fuck is meta-information? information about information? I suppose god is the source huh? wait, where did the meta information for god come from? nevermind, god is eternal and lives outside of time right?
Didn't want to waste the energy arguing against someone who just copy and pastes, nice to see someone take him to task on this pseusdo-scientific/creationist garbage.
Tbombz won't respond. Que the bible quotes
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Didn't want to waste the energy arguing against someone who just copy and pastes, nice to see someone take him to task on this pseusdo-scientific/creationist garbage.
Tbombz won't respond. Que the bible quotes
the guy is a botanist and is clearly a moron, he talks about meta information (which he has no evidence for or can give an example. He uses the word inversely incorrectly. He has a certificate of theology and a science degree, yet he is able to dismantle evolution, genetics etc even the big bang with simple thought experiments. It's truly marvelous, a genius of our time. He knows enough about cosmology to dismantle the big bang without one bit of math, just verbal sewage.
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Already making your own rules. You're easy pickings for a cult leader.
He is the cult leader. The Cult of T-Bunny. While donning the Bunny Suit, our future spiritual leader in the making will espouse his knowledge gained from bodybuilding and it's drugs, rec drug usages and PnP--this future "Soul Repairer" will cleanse thy soul, and if need be, give a massage, where the bunny doth hide.
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the guy is a botanist and is clearly a moron, he talks about meta information (which he has no evidence for or can give an example. He uses the word inversely incorrectly. He has a certificate of theology and a science degree, yet he is able to dismantle evolution, genetics etc even the big bang with simple thought experiments. It's truly marvelous, a genius of our time. He knows enough about cosmology to dismantle the big bang without one bit of math, just verbal sewage.
yeah did some research on this guy
hahaha no PhD, not even a physicist! Speak on this tbombz
just a charlatan who caters to the ignorant.
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the guy is a botanist and is clearly a moron, he talks about meta information (which he has no evidence for or can give an example. He uses the word inversely incorrectly. He has a certificate of theology and a science degree, yet he is able to dismantle evolution, genetics etc even the big bang with simple thought experiments. It's truly marvelous, a genius of our time. He knows enough about cosmology to dismantle the big bang without one bit of math, just verbal sewage.
Bet you can't refute him on the various types of lilies and conifers.
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High-intensity workout
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Bet you can't refute him on the various types of lilies and conifers.
That certificate of theology makes him quite the intellectual heavyweight.
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yeah did some research on this guy
hahaha no PhD, not even a physicist! Speak on this tbombz
just a charlatan who caters to the ignorant.
right? I mean bad enough he posts something he doesn't understand but then tries to hide behind PHD as if that means anything, turns out he is just a nutcase talking about things he has no formal education in. It;s like a chemist talking about bench press, makes no sense, it's nonsense.
evolution is a fact, it simply explains how the diversity of life came about, tbomz isn't on the mark here, this guy is talking about abiogenesis, a different theory altogether.
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seems like a solid scientific argument to me.
I love science.
Jesus created science, sustains science, proves science, and reveals science.
there is no science without Jesus. and all science points back to him.
Jesus, did you just say that this argument about the bannana is a good one? we modified teh wild bannana which looks like a fucking pear like fruit and brown to this longer yellow form, all bannanas now are clones, nothing natural about them. The funny thing is he is using a man made bannana to show how great design is LMAO.
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Bet you can't refute him on the various types of lilies and conifers.
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"When he read Duane Gish’s book Evolution: The fossils say No! and Whitcomb and Morris’s book The Genesis Flood he realized that evolution and uniformitarianism did not fit the facts of science, so he abandoned them and adopted six-day creation and the biblical time scale."
He believes the earth was made in six days, this is false.
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Amen brother! PREACH!!
I understand everything you're saying.
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Amen brother! PREACH!!
I understand everything you're saying.
Cause you're dumb and fat
Just like all the other sheep.
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Good luck with that. Myths and fantasy in place of bunny costumes and dreams of being a pro BBer. You just spinning in place.
No sir, this man has experienced the risen Christ and solidified his faith because of it. He's now on a lifelong journey to mature that faith.
I applaud him and will stand firmly beside him because he's a living, breathing testimony for the reality of Christ. A man who's sin had consumed him, a man who has undergone extensive demonic oppression, a man who lost his way but found a new life and purpose in Jesus Christ.
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No sir, this man has experienced the risen Christ and solidified his faith because of it. He's now on a lifelong journey to mature that faith.
I applaud him and will stand firmly beside him because he's a living, breathing testimony for the reality of Christ. A man who's sin had consumed him, a man who has undergone extensive demonic oppression, a man who lost his way but found a new life and purpose in Jesus Christ.
You don't want him on your team.
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You don't want him on your team.
I was thinking the same thing.
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You don't want him on your team.
I'd stand beside a man like tbombz any day actually. The man is full of God's grace and some on this board want to trample him underfoot because he loves the Lord now....because his heart has been changed.
He unbashedly represents Jesus Christ and has experienced more personal hell in the last few years that many on this board will ever know.
The population of heaven is filled with the redeemed and tbombz has joined its ranks because he's given himself to Christ, been forgiven of his sin and is sanctified and changed for God's will and purposes now.
I'd listen closely to him.
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Cause you're dumb and fat
Just like all the other sheep.
Insult me all you want Nordic....I'll never stoop.
Matthew 12:34
34 You brood of snakes! How could evil men like you speak what is good and right? For whatever is in your heart determines what you say.
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I'd stand beside a man like tbombz any day actually. The man is full of God's grace and some on this board want to trample him underfoot because he loves the Lord now....because his heart has been changed.
He unbashedly represents Jesus Christ and has experienced more personal hell in the last few years that many on this board will ever know.
The population of heaven is filled with the redeemed and tbombz has joined its ranks because he's given himself to Christ, been forgiven of his sin and is sanctified and changed for God's will and purposes now.
I'd listen closely to him.
damn...that cult has its hooks into you deep
amazing with all the science and widespread education today people still act like ignorant peasants and really believe the most bizarre and absurd shit
Insult me all you want Nordic....I'll never stoop.
Matthew 12:34
34 You brood of snakes! How could evil men like you speak what is good and right? For whatever is in your heart determines what you say.
pretty damn ironic you say this when you're whole life is centered around judging people whether they believe in some ridiculous fantasy and if they don't you believe they'll spend eternity burning in torture.
haha you silly Christians have no perspective
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Insult me all you want Nordic....I'll never stoop.
Matthew 12:34
34 You brood of snakes! How could evil men like you speak what is good and right? For whatever is in your heart determines what you say.
but....the heart is an organ that pumps blood in the body, it s the brain that creates thought processes.... how can one 's heart determine his thoughts????
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damn...that cult has its hooks into you deep
amazing with all the science and widespread education today people still act like ignorant peasants and really believe the most bizarre and absurd shit
pretty damn ironic you say this when you're whole life is centered around judging people whether they believe in some ridiculous fantasy and if they don't you believe they'll spend eternity burning in torture.
haha you silly Christians have no perspective
My life is about judging people......please, continue.....I'll wait.
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I'd stand beside a man like tbombz any day actually. The man is full of God's grace and some on this board want to trample him underfoot because he loves the Lord now....because his heart has been changed.
He unbashedly represents Jesus Christ and has experienced more personal hell in the last few years that many on this board will ever know.
The population of heaven is filled with the redeemed and tbombz has joined its ranks because he's given himself to Christ, been forgiven of his sin and is sanctified and changed for God's will and purposes now.
I'd listen closely to him.
The god he worships is of his own creation and has little to do with your religion.
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My life is about judging people......please, continue.....I'll wait.
I'd stand beside a man like tbombz any day actually. The man is full of God's grace and some on this board want to trample him underfoot because he loves the Lord now....because his heart has been changed.
can you explain to me how one's heart is able to think ? or how it can be "changed" ? thoughts based in the brain can be changed but why talk about changing the "heart" then. Maybe at the time people thought the heart was where they thoughts were stocked.
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but....the heart is an organ that pumps blood in the body, it s the brain that creates thought processes.... how can one 's heart determine his thoughts????
The heart is simply a metaphor for your soul.....we use a tangible concept to help us discern a more intangible one and better make a distinction between mind and emotion and living for this world or living for Christ.
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My life is about judging people......please, continue.....I'll wait.
good luck with that, along with all the guilt, repression and fear inherent in Christianity
its a beta religion----lets deny our pleasures and sexuality so we can live in a "heaven" after we die. No just God forces his followers to cower like scared school children for a "reward" in the afterlife
I truly feel sorry for you
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good luck with that, along with all the guilt, repression and fear inherent in Christianity
its a beta religion----lets deny our pleasures and sexuality so we can live in a "heaven" after we die. No just God forces his followers to cower like scared school children for a "reward" in the afterlife
I truly feel sorry for you
The Lord took every bit of my fear and guilt. My desire is to love others (including you) and share Christ with them. I've never forcefully pushed anyone to Christ.
Ephesians 4
4 Therefore I, a prisoner for serving the Lord, beg you to lead a life worthy of your calling, for you have been called by God. 2 Always be humble and gentle. Be patient with each other, making allowance for each other’s faults because of your love. 3 Make every effort to keep yourselves united in the Spirit, binding yourselves together with peace. 4 For there is one body and one Spirit, just as you have been called to one glorious hope for the future. 5 There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 and one God and Father, who is over all and in all and living through all.
Folks that truly feel sorry for each other rarely attack them. Those that despise one another are often on the attack.
Still waiting for you to expound on your comment about the "judgement of MOS".
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good luck with that, along with all the guilt, repression and fear inherent in Christianity
its a beta religion----lets deny our pleasures and sexuality so we can live in a "heaven" after we die. No just God forces his followers to cower like scared school children for a "reward" in the afterlife
I truly feel sorry for you
well mankind adorated differents gods, then one god, and judaism/christianism , paganism and roman/greek thinkers gave birth to our modern societies, our current systems of beliefs are a mix of everything that has been thought and felt in the past. Science also changed the way we view things and ourselves. It sure is better to be nice and take care of your family and offspring in the interest of everyone in society -even if it s a beta behavior- than wanting to dominate everyone everytime. You cant always win. Hapiness is probably a balance between dominating here and there and being benevolent and humble at the same time.
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Still waiting for your expound on your comment about the "judgement of MOS".
already did *sigh
your whole belief system is based on judgement----your whole idea of Heaven is based on judgment haha
question MOS----is masturbation a sin? Does God care if I jack off to online porn?
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already did *sigh
your whole belief system is based on judgement----your whole idea of Heaven is based on judgment haha
question MOS----is masturbation a sin? Does God care if I jack off to online porn?
Judgement and reward.
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Judgement and reward.
exactly
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already did *sigh
your whole belief system is based on judgement----your whole idea of Heaven is based on judgment haha
question MOS----is masturbation a sin? Does God care if I jack off to online porn?
Judgement and reward.
Belief in Christ is actually quite the opposite. Belief in Christ is about redemption from our sin...it's about salvation by grace through faith in Christ. It's about a believer acknowledging the sin in their life and having a change of mind about continuining on in that sin....it's about surrendering to God's will and purposes for our lives and forgoing of ourselves.
Believers in Christ are deemed righteous before God and saved from his divine judgement not lead to it. The term "reward" is purely subjective. My desire....my reward is to be aligned with Christ because he took my sin and cleansed me and freed me and made me whole. I choose Christ because he chose me first....he's revealed himself to me in my life....my faith is rock solid because I absolutely know his reality. If I can help lead others to Christ and share his love with them then I will gladly do that.
When a person's life is void of Christ all they are typically able to perceive is judgement and a worldy notion of reward.
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Belief in Christ is actually quite the opposite. Belief in Chris is about redemption from our sin...it's about salvation by grace through faith in Christ. It's about a believer acknowledging the sin in their life and having a change of mind about continuining on in that sin....it's about surrendering to God's will and purposes for our lives and forgoing of ourselves.
Believers in Christ are deemed righteous before God and saved from his divine judgement not lead to it. The term "reward" is purely subjective. My desire....my reward is to be aligned with Christ because he took my sin and cleansed me and freed me and made me whole. I choose Christ because he chose me first....he's revealed himself to me in my life....my faith is rock solid because I absolutely know his reality. If I can help lead others to Christ and share his love with them then I will gladly do that.
When a person's life is void of Christ all they typically are able to perceive is judgement and seemily shallow notion of reward.
answered like a politician ::)
he dances around the question without answering anything---how do you argue with someone who spews garbage like, "my faith is rock solid because I absolutely know his reality". that crap sounds just as psychotic and delusional as someone who says, "i live my life for leprechauns and never use my left hand because Ive heard god's voice in my head telling me these things."
didn't even answer my actual question---is it a sin against God to masturbate and touch your own body?
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answered like a politician ::)
he dances around the question without answering anything---how do you argue with someone who spews garbage like, "my faith is rock solid because I absolutely know his reality". that crap sounds just as psychotic and delusional as someone who says, "i live my life for leprechauns and never use my left hand because Ive heard god's voice in my head telling me these things."
didn't even answer my actual question---is it a sin against God to masturbate and touch your own body?
You just don't like that I can answer your questions. I get that canned response (or a versions of it) all the time when I answer questions.
The bible typically references two primary categories of sin: idolatry and sexual immorality. When you masturbate is your mind blank or are you thinking about or stimulated by thought of someone else? If that person isn't your spouse that behavior is adulterous and therefore sinful. Is watching pornography and masturbating to it sinful behavior? Yes, absolutely. Pornography and masturbation can both be adulterous, idolatrous and is sexually immoral.
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You just don't like that I can answer your questions. I get that canned response all the time when I answer questions.
The bible typically references to primary categories of sin: idolatry and sexual immorality. When you masturbate is your mind blank or are you thinking about or stimulated by thought of someone else? If that person is your spouse that behavior is adulterous and therefore sinful. Is watching pornography and masturbating to it sinful behavior? Yes, absolutely. Pornography and masturbation can both be adulterous, idolatrous and sexually immoral.
smh----I feel bad for you
I cant imagine how much wasted energy and guilt goes into your repression of your natural desires
what man doesn't jerk off---married or not. what a beta life you live :'(
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Belief in Christ is actually quite the opposite. Belief in Christ is about redemption from our sin...it's about salvation by grace through faith in Christ.
Receiving paradise and salavation through Christ and only through Christ sounds like the reward I was referring to.
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smh----I feel bad for you
I cant imagine how much wasted energy and guilt goes into your repression of your natural desires
what man doesn't jerk off---married or not. what a beta life you live :'(
I have a beautiful wife and a healthy sex life with her. I'm very blessed. I have watched pornography in the past, but I no longer engage in it. It doesn't represent my faith and it certainly doesn't represent Jesus Christ.
You don't like that? Sorry, nothin I can do for ya. It's about glory to God not the world or myself.
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You just don't like that I can answer your questions. I get that canned response (or a versions of it) all the time when I answer questions.
hahahaha
its funny and not at all surprising you don't even see the irony and hypocrisy in your statements
"canned responses"-----like spewing bible quotes and the same drivel rhetoric all the bible thumpers do. you don't have an original thought in your head. you just blindly follow doctrine and regurgitate the crap you hear in sermons.
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Receiving paradise and salavation through Christ and only through Christ sounds like the reward I was referring to.
Spending an eternity with my savior in the place he resides couldn't be anything but a paradise. It's void of every anti-Christian thought, climate, gathering or notion. It's a place full of his glory, peace, grace, mercy, love and justice. It's a place without sin and therefore there exists no decay or pain or sorrow or darkness.....it can only be a paradise because it's full of only God and all his divine attributes.
My true "reward"....my "gift" is freedom from sin and being deemed righteous in his eyes.
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hahahaha
its funny and not at all surprising you don't even see the irony and hypocrisy in your statements
"canned responses"-----like spewing bible quotes and the same drivel rhetoric all the bible thumpers do. you don't have an original thought in your head. you just blindly follow doctrine and regurgitate the crap you hear in sermons.
It's a canned, generalized comeback that contains neither depth nor truth. It's a 5th grade comeback when the gas tank is empty and all that's left is calling someone "poopoo head".
The word of God is like a hammer of truth for the unbelieving world....it stands in direct opposition to the enemies of God and angers them desperately because it reveals the contents of their souls.....just like it did me once. To this day it continues to hold me accountable and reestablishes me on firm footing when I get out of hand.
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Spending an eternity with my savior in the place he resides couldn't be anything but a paradise. It's void of every anti-Christian thought, climate, gathering or notion. It's a place full of his glory, peace, grace, mercy, love and justice. It's a place without sin and therefore there exists no decay or pain or sorrow or darkness.....it can only be a paradise because it's full of only God and all his divine attributes.
My true "reward"....my "gift" is freedom from sin and being deemed righteous in his eyes.
you made fun of true anus in this thread, is this a sin?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=536838.msg7517330#msg7517330
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you made fun of true anus in this thread, is this a sin?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=536838.msg7517330#msg7517330
Ah, so now we begin the scouring of my recent post history for ammunition....done this dance a plenty.
You've never made harmless fun of anyone on this board? Never engaged in ribbing? I don't hate TA....I simply played up what he often presents.
Many, many folks have said "MOS you gotta lighten up a bit and have more fun around here." So I do that more and try to be more lighthearted and funny. I didn't curse the man or insult him...I made up a fictional situation for fun.
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Ah, so now we begin the scouring of my recent post history for ammunition....done this dance a plenty.
You've never made harmless fun of anyone on this board? Never engaged in ribbing? I don't hate TA....I simply played up what he often presents.
Many, many folks have said "MOS you gotta lighten up a bit and have more fun around here." So I do that more and try to be more lighthearted and funny. I didn't curse the man or insult him...I made up a fictional situation based for fun.
fun at his detriment? That's not nice. God and jesus dont approve.
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fun at his detriment? That's not nice. God and jesus dont approve.
Yeah, we do that all day long around these parts.
I used the word "weiner" in another thread the other day....fyi. I even wrote "bastards" on the religion board yesterday.
Is there anything else?
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Spending an eternity with my savior in the place he resides couldn't be anything but a paradise. It's void of every anti-Christian thought, climate, gathering or notion. It's a place full of his glory, peace, grace, mercy, love and justice. It's a place without sin and therefore there exists no decay or pain or sorrow or darkness.....it can only be a paradise because it's full of only God and all his divine attributes.
My true "reward"....my "gift" is freedom from sin and being deemed righteous in his eyes.
Its your reward for obedience. Your prize for playing the game. You're getting something out of the deal.
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Its your reward for obedience. Your prize for playing the game. You're getting something out of the deal.
I get the divine gift of freedom from the consquences of my sin and the divine opporutnity to be aligned with my savior....it's an amazing, amazing gift and I love Jesus Christ and surrender my life for his will because of it.
He gave to me when I didn't deserve anything and I give back to him because he deserves everything.
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I get the divine gift of freedom from the consquences of my sin and the divine opporutnity to be aligned with my savior....it's an amazing, amazing gift and I love Jesus Christ and surrender my life for his will because of it.
He gave to me when I didn't deserve anything and I give back to him because he deserves everything.
god and jesus think you re an hypocritical asshole who will burn in hell for eternity.
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god and jesus think you re an hypocritical asshole who will burn in hell for eternity.
Now this is an example of a personal attack....this is not fun or ribbing or being playful. This is hate at it's finest.
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well that s what they told me anyway.
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Spending an eternity with my savior in the place he resides couldn't be anything but a paradise. It's void of every anti-Christian thought, climate, gathering or notion. It's a place full of his glory, peace, grace, mercy, love and justice. It's a place without sin and therefore there exists no decay or pain or sorrow or darkness.....it can only be a paradise because it's full of only God and all his divine attributes.
My true "reward"....my "gift" is freedom from sin and being deemed righteous in his eyes.
I know you're well-versed in theology, maybe you can help me here. When did "hell," which I believe translates literally to "grave" in ancient Hebrew, become a place of eternal torture, rather than mere non-existence?
Do modern Jews, generally speaking, believe in the same Christian-type hell or the old-school translation? I mean, it's described in the Old Testament, right?
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I get the divine gift of freedom from the consquences of my sin and the divine opporutnity to be aligned with my savior....it's an amazing, amazing gift and I love Jesus Christ and surrender my life for his will because of it.
He gave to me when I didn't deserve anything and I give back to him because he deserves everything.
So, youre getting something out of the deal. You avoid hell and gain entry to paradise, judgement and reward.
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So, youre getting something out of the deal. You avoid hell and gain entry to paradise, judgement and reward.
it s an animal behavior, found in all animal species. All animal brains calculate if the reward is worth the energy used to obtain it (food/ressources that maintain or improve odds of survival).
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We have seen evolution of sorts.
Think about cars from 1914 to now. Over 100 yrs and now we have cars that can drive themselves, and later talk to other cars.
thats not "evolution" in the sense of abiogenesis and molecules-to-man transformation
I'm reading an article in Scientific America about how feathers evolved---from dinosaurs, and how then certain dinosaurs evolved into feather covered therapods, and then these therapods eventually evolved into birds.
what your reading is an article about the ideas inside the imagination of some dude
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now you re back , care to tell us once and for all where the money come from?
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I know you're well-versed in theology, maybe you can help me here. When did "hell," which I believe translates literally to "grave" in ancient Hebrew, become a place of eternal torture, rather than mere non-existence?
Do modern Jews, generally speaking, believe in the same Christian-type hell or the old-school translation? I mean, it's described in the Old Testament, right?
I have a good article on that very thing. That's a big topic that I couldn't summarize in a few words.
In short we have topics of Gehanna and Sheol (both are hebrew terms I believe) in the OT and Hades (greek term) in the NT as holding places for the dead (both the righteous and wicked) until the judgment......the grave or place for the dead. Again, big topic and I will post up more for you....sorry I'm not more help right now.
Wish I knew everything or had it at my fingertips LOL.
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now you re back , care to tell us once and for all where the money come from?
Ive asked the same question
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I know it wasn't written by you, but if you post it as evidence against evolution you should at least understand it so that you can like me critically appraise it and see that it is horseshit.
Alex williams proposed these things? this guy?
http://creation.com/alexander-williams
hate to break it to you bro, he isn't a PHD in shit, and his area of study has nothing to do with abiogenesis. This is pure stupidity, why am I even wasting my time. You are lost man, get a grip. This fucking guy even argues against the big bang (he is a PHD extraordinarie, going from physics to biology and back, crushing each theory with simple logic) and fossils, he wrote a book called the fossils say no! this guy isn't interested in truth, just confirmation for his backward views. This guy should have several nobel's.
What the fuck is meta-information? information about information? I suppose god is the source huh? wait, where did the meta information for god come from? nevermind, god is eternal and lives outside of time right?
I do understand the things I posted.
This is the author of what I posted
http://creation.com/dr-robert-carter
He does have a phd
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Already making your own rules. You're easy pickings for a cult leader.
I didnt make my own rules
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Sounds like a good deal for a gym like that.
tell my wife that! ;D
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I didnt make my own rules
Your version of Christianity is vastly different than MOS's
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hey taylor
who pays for all of that shit?
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I have a good article on that very thing. That's a big topic that I couldn't summarize in a few words.
In short we have topics of Gehanna and Sheol (both are hebrew terms I believe) in the OT and Hades (greek term) in the NT as holding places for the dead (both the righteous and wicked) until the judgment......the grave or place for the dead. Again, big topic and I will post up more for you....sorry I'm not more help right now.
Wish I knew everything or had it at my fingertips LOL.
Ok, thanks. This interests me.
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So, youre getting something out of the deal. You avoid hell and gain entry to paradise, judgement and reward.
Oh absolutely I do and not a single thing wrong with that.....that's what's wonderful and beautiful about it because he purposed it. As I believer I avoid hell because I remain in eternity with my savior. I gain entry into his paradise. I'm saved from his judgement because my sins are covered over by his life giving blood and "my reward" (God's gift actually....I don't deserve a reward) is alignment with God and serving his will and being deemed righteous because of his act on Calvary's cross.
My gut tells me you're trying to make this is about me being selfish and getting some great something for nothing? Am I right cause if I am you can cut to the chase.
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right? I mean bad enough he posts something he doesn't understand but then tries to hide behind PHD as if that means anything, turns out he is just a nutcase talking about things he has no formal education in. It;s like a chemist talking about bench press, makes no sense, it's nonsense.
evolution is a fact, it simply explains how the diversity of life came about, tbomz isn't on the mark here, this guy is talking about abiogenesis, a different theory altogether.
what is fact is mutations and genetic variations which can lead to adaptations.
what is fact is that these processes, mutations and gene expressions, do not have the capability to produce radically new functions. not even in large periods of time. because the TYPE of change going on is the wrong type of change. mutations and gene expression do not involve the creation of new functions, but they only result in the revealing of pre existing information or decreased function of pre existing function.
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The word of God is like a hammer of truth for the unbelieving world....it stands in direct opposition to the enemies of God and angers them desperately because it reveals the contents of their souls.....just like it did me once. To this day it continues to hold me accountable and reestablishes me on firm footing when I get out of hand.
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LOL, I think the pile on is about to begin.
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what is fact is mutations and genetic variations which can lead to adaptations.
what is fact is that these processes, mutations and gene expressions, do not have the capability to produce radically new functions. not even in large periods of time. because the TYPE of change going on is the wrong type of change. mutations and gene expression do not involve the creation of new functions, but they only result in the revealing of pre existing information or decreased function of pre existing function.
hahahahahahaha
bust seriously now
who pays for all of that shit?
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Oh absolutely I do and not a single thing wrong with that.....that's what's wonderful and beautiful about it because he purposed it. As I believer I avoid hell because I remain in eternity with my savior. I gain entry into his paradise. I'm saved from his judgement because my sins are covered over by his life giving blood and "my reward" (God's gift actually....I don't deserve a reward) is alignment with God and serving his will and being deemed righteous because of his act on Calvary's cross.
My gut tells me you're trying to make this is about me being selfish and getting some great something for nothing? Am I right cause if I am you can cut to the chase.
Your gut is wrong. Ive defended you plenty of times. I genuinely like you and think you are a good man. Tbumz, not so much.
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Your gut is wrong. Ive defended you plenty of times. I genuinely like you and think you are a good man. Tbumz, not so much.
Sorry,when I'm in a thread like this I error in judgement between attacks and honest questions. I sometimes just read replies and neglect to look at the account addressing me....I apologize.
When the pile on begins I sometimes misread those attacking and those discussing....there's a difference and sometimes I miss it. I need to take more time to remember who I'm replying to.
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who pays for all of that shit?
Yes, bombz, degenerate POS... do tell.
Since you like to flaunt it, like an asshole – you surely pay your own way, right?
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Amen brother! PREACH!!
I understand everything you're saying.
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I do understand the things I posted.
This is the author of what I posted
http://creation.com/dr-robert-carter
He does have a phd
Thats not what the content of you post says. it specifically states that the requirements for meta info and life were derived from the alex whatever dude. He then goes on to list his pre-requisites.
do you not realize that these people are biased?
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Yes, bombz, degenerate POS... do tell.
Since you like to flaunt it, like an asshole – you surely pay your own way, right?
If me, you or tbombz gets a helping hand, pays their own bills or a combination is there something wrong with that?
People gettin back on their feet often times need help LOL.
What is he flaunting exactly?
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but....the heart is an organ that pumps blood in the body, it s the brain that creates thought processes.... how can one 's heart determine his thoughts????
the brain does not create thought processes
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the brain does not create thought processes
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god and jesus want you to tell us how you re able to afford this lifestyle taylor, so we can imitate your ways and become better men :-\
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already did *sigh
your whole belief system is based on judgement----your whole idea of Heaven is based on judgment haha
question MOS----is masturbation a sin? Does God care if I jack off to online porn?
God cares about your well being, and God knows that masturbation corrupts and perverts the soul, so because he loves you he does not want you doing it.
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God cares about your well being, and God knows that masturbation corrupts and perverts the soul, so because he loves you he does not want you doing it.
what does he think about aids and selling your ass on the internet for money?
what does he think about this picture?
(http://www.gratisimage.dk/graphic/images/2013/June/05/9A19_51AF892A.jpg)
Tell me, cause apparently god "talks" a lot with you .
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what is fact is mutations and genetic variations which can lead to adaptations.
what is fact is that these processes, mutations and gene expressions, do not have the capability to produce radically new functions.
Yes they do, what planet are you on? is antibiotic resistence not a radically new function? I honestly am not sure you understand what you are saying.
not even in large periods of time. because the TYPE of change going on is the wrong type of change. mutations and gene expression do not involve the creation of new functions, but they only result in the revealing of pre existing information or decreased function of pre existing function.
of course they do, is sickle cell anemia not a new function?
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now you re back , care to tell us once and for all where the money come from?
i have answered many times in the past, and the answer is no different now. My wife works.
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God cares about your well being, and God knows that masturbation corrupts and perverts the soul, so because he loves you he does not want you doing it.
You have to be trolling
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Your version of Christianity is vastly different than MOS's
No it's not
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the brain does not create thought processes
What does?
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what does he think about aids and selling your ass on the internet for money?
God is repulsed by it yet he sent his Son Jesus Christ as the perfect sacrifice so that men like tbombz can have a new life in Christ free from their sin and made anew for God's will. The Lord has forgiven tbombz, but the world remains steeped in sin and clings to it. As a brother in Christ I forgive him and love him and thank God for his new life in Jesus Christ.
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i have answered many times in the past, and the answer is no different now. My wife works.
i doubt god approves of your wife working while you sit at home doing nothing, not very manly of you, shouldnt you be the one providing for the family?
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No it's not
tbombz's is right again......our beliefs are the same. We just express things in our own ways, but we still saying the same things.
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God is repulsed by it yet he sent his Son Jesus Christ as the perfect sacrifice so that men like tbombz can have a new life in Christ free from their sin and made anew for God's will. The Lord has forgiven tbombz, but the world remains steeped in sin and clings to it. As a brother in Christ I forgive him and love him and thank God for his new life in Jesus Christ.
God created sin,he created everything did he not.
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Thats not what the content of you post says. it specifically states that the requirements for meta info and life were derived from the alex whatever dude. He then goes on to list his pre-requisites.
do you not realize that these people are biased?
there are hundred of writers on that site, and they do often cite eachother.
they are bias in the sense that they start with The Word of God as the ultimate authority, and then interpret the evidence based according to his first hand account of what happened. yeah.
evolutionists are biased in the sense that they start from the point of view that The Biblle is a lie and that they are able to figure out the unobservable past, and then interpret the evidence based on that point of view.
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Tbumz meets Jesus
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness
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god and jesus want you to tell us how you re able to afford this lifestyle taylor, so we can imitate your ways and become better men :-\
the only way to be a better man is through faith in Jesus, and I have been telling you that over and over and over again. my blessings flow through my faith in God.
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I also doubt god approves of your sorry ass flauting your wife's shit on the internets...not very humble nor smart of you.. as if you were just another random vain loser trying to prove others and himself his life isnt as shitty as it obviously is.
Its not god who paid for all that shit , it s that poor woman with an obviously so very low self esteem she thinks she needs you cause nobody else for some reason wants her.
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i doubt god approves of your wife working while you sit at home doing nothing, not very manly of you, shouldnt you be the one providing for the family?
A few years ago I destroyed my left leg and was laid up at home for months and couldn't work. My wife contiued to work but our bank account dried up and we had a newborn baby only 6 months old. Took me a while to get back to work, learn to walk and build up our finances and home again and be a full-on Daddy again, but during that time the Lord drew me closer to him and raised me up for his purposes like never before. I had one foot in the grave, body banged up, money gone but I and my family were at peace in the Lord. He's restored us and continues to restore and uplift us. Being down and out can sometimes be the greatest blessing of your life if you aligned with Jesus Christ and put him first.
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there are hundred of writers on that site, and they do often cite eachother.
they are bias in the sense that they start with The Word of God as the ultimate authority, and then interpret the evidence based according to his first hand account of what happened. yeah.
evolutionists are biased in the sense that they start from the point of view that The Biblle is a lie and that they are able to figure out the unobservable past, and then interpret the evidence based on that point of view.
How would suggest they do it? Use The Bible as a basis for scientific truth? Many Christians don't even buy that, t.
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God created sin,he created everything did he not.
He created the potential for us to chose to sin or not to sin.
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He created the potential for us to chose to sin or not to sin.
or maybe we created it.... ::)
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or maybe we created it.... ::)
Don't know what that means.
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there are hundred of writers on that site, and they do often cite eachother.
they are bias in the sense that they start with The Word of God as the ultimate authority, and then interpret the evidence based according to his first hand account of what happened. yeah.
evolutionists are biased in the sense that they start from the point of view that The Biblle is a lie and that they are able to figure out the unobservable past, and then interpret the evidence based on that point of view.
You have been conned, science constantly changes because it has no starting point. You can't discover truth when you have the conclusion in mind. God may exist, I just won't accept shit others tell me, I want reproducible evidence, aka science. That's how you know something, when you can predict things, evolution predicts all sorts of things, they come true also. It predicted fossils in a particular layer, we found it, it predicted gene anomalies in chimpanzee's, found it. This means it most likely true, or approaching the truth.
We can go back in the past because the universe is predictable. Like a detective on a crime scene.
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cant waste anymore energy arguing with these dullards with a 16th century intelligence and viewpoint---"the bible is real because in the bible it says..."
hahaha they have no facts only subjective fantasies, when they get backed into a corner they spout dumb shit like taylor did saying," the truth is the truth is the truth" or MOS's, "my faith is rock solid because I absolutely know his reality". Just look at those statements, utter garbage.
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An article from a popular science magazine, concerning this antibiotic-resistence showed that Reinikainen had it wrong. Increase of information and new structural complexity has been observed in not just some, but in fact, many cases.
As will be shown, you have failed to demonstrate this in even one case!
The original magazine (which is not at hand now) was a Finnish popular scientific magazine Tiede 2000 i.e. Science 2000. It had some non-technical examples of antibiotic resistance which however showed clearly that in many cases we cannot honestly call the evolution of antibiotic resistance, "a loss of information". Instead, I have put (as an attachment) an article by Petrosino, Cantu and Palzkoll, titled “β-Lactamases: protein evolution in real time”
This was Trends in Microbiology 6(8):323–327, August 1998. Some bacteria produce β-Lactamases to destroy β-Lactam antibiotics, which include penicillin.
You may “judge” it and check if it’s always about “loss of information” as frequently claimed by some creationists. (Or maybe you accept increased information by evolution in this case without any further problems … your original article was about poisonous newts, indeed.)
Right, I read this paper as you requested. But despite its title, it does not support your points, but ours! For example, one mechanism featured in the article was acquisition of genes from other bacteria. I.e. the genes already existed—hopefully it should be obvious that this is irrelevant to the origin of these genes in the first place, which is what goo-to-you evolution is supposed to explain! The other clue is the statement ‘many of the mutations located around the active site pocket result in increased catalytic activity for hydrolysis of extended-spectrum substrates.’ Mutations far from the active site also increase extended spectrum catalysis. This provided an advantage to the bacteria containing these mutations, because they could destroy more types of antibiotics. But here was yet another example of an information loss conferring an advantage.
To understand this properly, it’s necessary to realize enzymes are usually tuned very precisely to only one type of molecule (the substrate), and this fine-tuning is necessary for living cells to function. Mutations reduce specificity and hence would reduce the effectiveness of its primary function, but would enable it to degrade other substrates too. But this loss of specificity means loss of information content. Dr Spetner analyzes this with rigorous mathematics using standard definitions of information. He presents the two extremes:
An enzyme has activity for only one substrate out of n possible ones and zero for the others—here the information gain is log2n.
The second is where there is no discrimination between any of the substrates—here the information gain is zero.
Comparison of ribitol, xylitol and arabitol activities of wild and mutant ribitol dehydrogenase
Comparison of ribitol, xylitol and arabitol activities of wild and mutant ribitol dehydrogenase (from Lee Spetner, True Origins website).
Real enzymes are somewhere in between, and Dr Spetner shows how to calculate their information. As explained above, living organisms require enzymes to do a specific job, so their information content is very close to the maximum in case 1. Quite close to the other extreme are ordinary acids or alkalis, which hydrolyse many compounds. These have wonderful extended-spectrum catalytic activity, but are not specific, so have low information content, so would be useless for the precise control required for biological reactions. All observed mutations reduce the specificity and trend towards the second extreme case. The trend described in the β-Lactamases is just the same as that described in ribitol dehydrogenase, the enzyme some bacteria use to metabolize ribitol, a derivative of a type of sugar (left). That is, the mutant acquired the new ability to metabolize xylitol, so it was thought to be an example of new information arising, and that it could trend towards a highly specific xylitol dehydrogenase. But on further inspection, it turned out not only to reduce its ability to perform its original specific function of metabolizing ribitol, but also to increase the ability to synthesize lots of other things, including arabitol. The trend is towards loss of specificity and producing an ordinary broad-spectrum catalyst, i.e. from case 1 to case 2. A graph of wild v. mutant β-Lactamase activity on various antibiotics would be essentially the same as this graph of wild v. mutant ribitol dehydrogenase activity on the different types of sugars.
In conclusion, there is nothing to support any information gain at all. But evolution posits that the information content of the simplest living organisms, the mycoplasma with 580,000 ‘letters’ (482 genes), was increased to, say, the 3 billion letters equivalent in man. If this were so, we should be able to observe plenty of examples of information gain without intelligent input. But we have yet to observe even one, including the example you cited.
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He created the potential for us to chose to sin or not to sin.
So who created sin? the concept of it? the practices that are sinful, who decides that?
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things are just what they are and we invented stuff to describe, give a meaning to them, as simple as that.
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You have been conned, science constantly changes because it has no starting point. You can't discover truth when you have the conclusion in mind. God may exist, I just won't accept shit others tell me, I want reproducible evidence, aka science. That's how you know something, when you can predict things, evolution predicts all sorts of things, they come true also. It predicted fossils in a particular layer, we found it, it predicted gene anomalies in chimpanzee's, found it. This means it most likely true, or approaching the truth.
We can go back in the past because the universe is predictable. Like a detective on a crime scene.
exactly----don't tell me I cant live my life freely because an imaginary guy in the sky will condemn me to an eternity of punishment, yet have no proof or any shred of evidence to back it up.
scientific knowledge is gained through rigid, empirical, experimental processes.
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one of the worlds leading experts on sickle cell anemia..
http://creation.com/dr-felix-konotey-ahulu
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An article from a popular science magazine, concerning this antibiotic-resistence showed that Reinikainen had it wrong. Increase of information and new structural complexity has been observed in not just some, but in fact, many cases.
As will be shown, you have failed to demonstrate this in even one case!
The original magazine (which is not at hand now) was a Finnish popular scientific magazine Tiede 2000 i.e. Science 2000. It had some non-technical examples of antibiotic resistance which however showed clearly that in many cases we cannot honestly call the evolution of antibiotic resistance, "a loss of information". Instead, I have put (as an attachment) an article by Petrosino, Cantu and Palzkoll, titled “β-Lactamases: protein evolution in real time”
This was Trends in Microbiology 6(8):323–327, August 1998. Some bacteria produce β-Lactamases to destroy β-Lactam antibiotics, which include penicillin.
You may “judge” it and check if it’s always about “loss of information” as frequently claimed by some creationists. (Or maybe you accept increased information by evolution in this case without any further problems … your original article was about poisonous newts, indeed.)
Right, I read this paper as you requested. But despite its title, it does not support your points, but ours! For example, one mechanism featured in the article was acquisition of genes from other bacteria. I.e. the genes already existed—hopefully it should be obvious that this is irrelevant to the origin of these genes in the first place, which is what goo-to-you evolution is supposed to explain! The other clue is the statement ‘many of the mutations located around the active site pocket result in increased catalytic activity for hydrolysis of extended-spectrum substrates.’ Mutations far from the active site also increase extended spectrum catalysis. This provided an advantage to the bacteria containing these mutations, because they could destroy more types of antibiotics. But here was yet another example of an information loss conferring an advantage.
To understand this properly, it’s necessary to realize enzymes are usually tuned very precisely to only one type of molecule (the substrate), and this fine-tuning is necessary for living cells to function. Mutations reduce specificity and hence would reduce the effectiveness of its primary function, but would enable it to degrade other substrates too. But this loss of specificity means loss of information content. Dr Spetner analyzes this with rigorous mathematics using standard definitions of information. He presents the two extremes:
An enzyme has activity for only one substrate out of n possible ones and zero for the others—here the information gain is log2n.
The second is where there is no discrimination between any of the substrates—here the information gain is zero.
Comparison of ribitol, xylitol and arabitol activities of wild and mutant ribitol dehydrogenase
Comparison of ribitol, xylitol and arabitol activities of wild and mutant ribitol dehydrogenase (from Lee Spetner, True Origins website).
Real enzymes are somewhere in between, and Dr Spetner shows how to calculate their information. As explained above, living organisms require enzymes to do a specific job, so their information content is very close to the maximum in case 1. Quite close to the other extreme are ordinary acids or alkalis, which hydrolyse many compounds. These have wonderful extended-spectrum catalytic activity, but are not specific, so have low information content, so would be useless for the precise control required for biological reactions. All observed mutations reduce the specificity and trend towards the second extreme case. The trend described in the β-Lactamases is just the same as that described in ribitol dehydrogenase, the enzyme some bacteria use to metabolize ribitol, a derivative of a type of sugar (left). That is, the mutant acquired the new ability to metabolize xylitol, so it was thought to be an example of new information arising, and that it could trend towards a highly specific xylitol dehydrogenase. But on further inspection, it turned out not only to reduce its ability to perform its original specific function of metabolizing ribitol, but also to increase the ability to synthesize lots of other things, including arabitol. The trend is towards loss of specificity and producing an ordinary broad-spectrum catalyst, i.e. from case 1 to case 2. A graph of wild v. mutant β-Lactamase activity on various antibiotics would be essentially the same as this graph of wild v. mutant ribitol dehydrogenase activity on the different types of sugars.
In conclusion, there is nothing to support any information gain at all. But evolution posits that the information content of the simplest living organisms, the mycoplasma with 580,000 ‘letters’ (482 genes), was increased to, say, the 3 billion letters equivalent in man. If this were so, we should be able to observe plenty of examples of information gain without intelligent input. But we have yet to observe even one, including the example you cited.
Nevermind dude, I can't continue with this. You just keep copy and pasting bullshit from some creation website.
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exactly----don't tell me I cant live my life freely because an imaginary guy in the sky will condemn me to an eternity of punishment, yet have no proof or any shred of evidence to back it up.
scientific knowledge is gained through rigid, empirical, experimental processes.
the point of life for any life form is to survive, freedom doesnt exist, all choices are limited and are about adapting or disapearing until we cant adapt anymore. We dont even choose to be born. Your only real freedom is to stop playing the game.
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So who created sin? the concept of it? the practices that are sinful, who decides that?
Sin is an offense against God. God is the law, God is uncreated and therefore the law is uncreated...the law is part of God's essence. We break the law which is inherent in God's nature and we defy and offend him. Break his law and you have sinned....his concept. He set the standards for us to live by, but he gave us the ability to choose to follow his standard or not to follow it. He gave us both his standards (the law) and choice. You and I came up with a myriad number of ways to defy those standards and all that falls under his term "sin". What God doesn't give you is an instruction manual on how to break his law....we do that all by ourselves.....he just gives us his law and choice.....the potential for sin.
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one of the worlds leading experts on sickle cell anemia..
http://creation.com/dr-felix-konotey-ahulu
he doesn;t believe it's evidnece of protzoa to people evolution, a made up term, a made up argument. Also, sickle cell anemia is simply a mutation in RBC's that makes malaria difficult to infect the host. Are you suggesting that this painful disease, that some people get who aren't even in danger of malaria was planned? to me pain, death etc from teh disease seems like a shitty trade in for avoiding infection. God works in mysterious ways? or it's a fucking mutation and the outcome to the person is irrelevant?
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Sin is an offense against God. God is the law. We break the law which is inherent in God's nature and we defy and offend him. Break his law and you have sinned....his concept. He set the standards for us to live by, but he gave us the ability to choose to follow his standard or not to follow it. He gave us both his standards (the law) and choice. You and I came up with a myriad number of ways to defy those standards and all that falls under his term "sin". What God doesn't give you is an instruction manual on how to break his law....we do that all by ourselves.....he just gives us his law and choice.....the potential for sin.
I think we are miscommunicating. I am saying that god created everything, evil, good etc, the alpha and omega, do you beleive sin exists outside of god? that it is not in his control? coudl he not make sinful things fine if he so choosed?
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And the CA taxpayer pays NOTHING for all this? Is this correct?
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You have been conned, science constantly changes because it has no starting point. You can't discover truth when you have the conclusion in mind. God may exist, I just won't accept shit others tell me, I want reproducible evidence, aka science. That's how you know something, when you can predict things, evolution predicts all sorts of things, they come true also. It predicted fossils in a particular layer, we found it, it predicted gene anomalies in chimpanzee's, found it. This means it most likely true, or approaching the truth.
We can go back in the past because the universe is predictable.
thats philosophical conjecture, its not science
Like a detective on a crime scene.
The irony of the position taken by Cuvierists, neo-Cuvierists, and standard evolutionary-uniformitarians is the fact that fossil succession is a reality only to a limited extent. As we shall see, the Flood-related mechanisms discussed above need not have been overly efficient to account for only the limited degree of fossil succession that does exist. Successive episodes of time, however conceived, also are completely unnecessary to explain the limited degree of fossil succession.
When we consider the fact that fossil succession is limited in overall extent, it is another way of stating that there are many fossils which are found at many stratigraphic intervals. In fact, only a minority are confined to rocks attributed to only one geologic period.2
Since the early days of the acceptance of the standard geologic column, fossils have been turning up in ‘wrong’ places as more and more fossils have been collected, and this process continues to this very day.3,4,5 And even this does not include the numerous instances where fossils are supposed to be reworked from older strata, often with no independent supporting evidence.6
Furthermore, extension of stratigraphic ranges occurs not only for individual fossils, but also for presumed grade of biologic complexity (that is, so-called stratomorphic intermediates). A stratomorphic intermediate is supposed to reflect a certain grade of complexity attained by all living things up to a certain point in the geologic time scale. An example would be the first appearance of vertebrate legs in the stratigraphic record. I will discuss stratomorphic intermediates shortly. Let us now consider some recent examples of stratigraphic range extension.
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The irony of the position taken by Cuvierists, neo-Cuvierists, and standard evolutionary-uniformitarians is the fact that fossil succession is a reality only to a limited extent. As we shall see, the Flood-related mechanisms discussed above need not have been overly efficient to account for only the limited degree of fossil succession that does exist. Successive episodes of time, however conceived, also are completely unnecessary to explain the limited degree of fossil succession.
When we consider the fact that fossil succession is limited in overall extent, it is another way of stating that there are many fossils which are found at many stratigraphic intervals. In fact, only a minority are confined to rocks attributed to only one geologic period.2
Since the early days of the acceptance of the standard geologic column, fossils have been turning up in ‘wrong’ places as more and more fossils have been collected, and this process continues to this very day.3,4,5 And even this does not include the numerous instances where fossils are supposed to be reworked from older strata, often with no independent supporting evidence.6
Furthermore, extension of stratigraphic ranges occurs not only for individual fossils, but also for presumed grade of biologic complexity (that is, so-called stratomorphic intermediates). A stratomorphic intermediate is supposed to reflect a certain grade of complexity attained by all living things up to a certain point in the geologic time scale. An example would be the first appearance of vertebrate legs in the stratigraphic record. I will discuss stratomorphic intermediates shortly. Let us now consider some recent examples of stratigraphic range extension.
you forgot to copy and paste the source of your quote.
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you forgot to copy and paste the source of your quote.
would you prefer that i do like necrosis and pretend as if my ideas are ones that i came up with all on my own?
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So who created sin? the concept of it? the practices that are sinful, who decides that?
Satan created sin, he is the father of it. God knows what is sin and what isnt sin, he doesnt choose what is sin and what isnt. he just lets us know what is good for us, because he loves us.
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The irony of the position taken by Cuvierists, neo-Cuvierists, and standard evolutionary-uniformitarians is the fact that fossil succession is a reality only to a limited extent. As we shall see, the Flood-related mechanisms discussed above need not have been overly efficient to account for only the limited degree of fossil succession that does exist. Successive episodes of time, however conceived, also are completely unnecessary to explain the limited degree of fossil succession.
When we consider the fact that fossil succession is limited in overall extent, it is another way of stating that there are many fossils which are found at many stratigraphic intervals. In fact, only a minority are confined to rocks attributed to only one geologic period.2
Since the early days of the acceptance of the standard geologic column, fossils have been turning up in ‘wrong’ places as more and more fossils have been collected, and this process continues to this very day.3,4,5 And even this does not include the numerous instances where fossils are supposed to be reworked from older strata, often with no independent supporting evidence.6
Furthermore, extension of stratigraphic ranges occurs not only for individual fossils, but also for presumed grade of biologic complexity (that is, so-called stratomorphic intermediates). A stratomorphic intermediate is supposed to reflect a certain grade of complexity attained by all living things up to a certain point in the geologic time scale. An example would be the first appearance of vertebrate legs in the stratigraphic record. I will discuss stratomorphic intermediates shortly. Let us now consider some recent examples of stratigraphic range extension.
No it;s not conjecture, just like evidence in a crime scene is not conjecture. This is also another copy and paste.
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Satan created sin, he is the father of it. God knows what is sin and what isnt sin, he doesnt choose what is sin and what isnt. he just lets us know what is good for us, because he loves us.
if god created everything, it means he created satan too, is he dumb or something, why create something, someone, that will piss you off?
you re so fucking ignorant it's sad. Satan is only the bad guy found in any religion , philosophy since man is man. There is no satan living underground and no god living in the clouds with the carebears.
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would you prefer that i do like necrosis and pretend as if my ideas are ones that i came up with all on my own?
necrosis doenst copy and paste shit, moron.
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Satan created sin, he is the father of it. God knows what is sin and what isnt sin, he doesnt choose what is sin and what isnt. he just lets us know what is good for us, because he loves us.
How can Satan create anything without the consent of an omnipotent god? Only god has the power of creation
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Satan created sin, he is the father of it. God knows what is sin and what isnt sin, he doesnt choose what is sin and what isnt. he just lets us know what is good for us, because he loves us.
Who created Satan?
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No it;s not conjecture, just like evidence in a crime scene is not conjecture. This is also another copy and paste.
HEY TAYLOR stop copy and pasting...its only weakening your argument and making you look foolish
Necrosis doesn't copy and paste taylor----that is as obvious to me as your real lack of scientific knowledge is to me. He's killing you in the discussion and all you can do is blindly copy and paste or come up with, "the truth is the truth is the truth"
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he doesn;t believe it's evidnece of protzoa to people evolution, a made up term, a made up argument. Also, sickle cell anemia is simply a mutation in RBC's that makes malaria difficult to infect the host. Are you suggesting that this painful disease, that some people get who aren't even in danger of malaria was planned? to me pain, death etc from teh disease seems like a shitty trade in for avoiding infection. God works in mysterious ways? or it's a fucking mutation and the outcome to the person is irrelevant?
it appears you dont understand the theory of evolution. let me explain it to you
primordial soup -> bacteria/protozoa -> photosynthetic sea plants -> sponges -> starfish -> seahorse-> lobsters and fishes -> fishes that walk on the shore -> lizards that live near the shore -> foxes -> apes -> humans
now, the exact species between each supposed level of evolution could be different, but thats the theory "protozoa to people"
if you read his articles on the site you will see that he explains that malaria to sickle cell is in no way evidence of the types of changes needed for evolution to occur
God did not want for us to sin, but because we did we now live in a world cursed by sin, held together only for a time by Gods great love, until he restores it back to perfection. Sickle cell was not planned, it is a result of our own sinfulness, and God loves us so much that he came down from heaven and submitted to torture and crucifixion in order to save us from diseases like it.
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if god created everything, it means he created satan too, is he dumb or something, why create something, someone, that will piss you off?
you re so fucking ignorant it's sad. Satan is only the bad guy found in any religion , philosophy since man is man. There is no satan living underground and no god living in the clouds with the carebears.
Satan was given free will to make his own decisions just like we were. he was not created evil, in fact he was created one of the most beautiful and wise of all the angels. he chose to become evil all on his own.
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necrosis doenst copy and paste shit, moron.
what he does is write a sentence or two of stuff he heard from somebody, and acts as if they are his own ideas.
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I think we are miscommunicating. I am saying that god created everything, evil, good etc, the alpha and omega, do you beleive sin exists outside of god? that it is not in his control? coudl he not make sinful things fine if he so choosed?
We're not miscommunicating. God's creation was deemed good....not perfect. He did not create evil.
[Sidebar: I'm also fully aware of the KJV verses in Isaiah and Amos that state that God created evil. The term evil in that context refers to destruction and calamity....we don't speak like that today so modern translations update the verbiage.]
The perfect creation is yet to come in which the new heavens and earth will exist without sin. Why not now? Why later? Because God is gathering his church....that body of believers that choose his will over their own and truly want to be with him. He's allowing our choices to run their course until his divinely appointed time to return arrives.
Sin is an offense against God. A breaking of his law. The concepts of breaking the law (sin) or following the law are both inherent within the overall concept of his law.....these concepts do not exist outside of God. Now engaging in sin does stand opposed to God's divine nature (he will not sin), but the proclivity to sin is a part of human nature. Everything is within his control, but he gives us the freedom to choose to accept or reject him....he allows us to defy his will for our lives and reject him so that our choices in full favor of him are pure, sincere and honest.
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How can Satan create anything without the consent of an omnipotent god? Only god has the power of creation
God gives us free will
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We're not miscommunicating. God's creation was deemed good....not perfect. He did not create evil.
[Sidebar: I'm fully also aware of the KJV verses in Isaiah and Amos that state that God created evil. The term evil in that context refers to destruction and calamity....we don't speak like that today so modern translations update the verbiage.]
The perfect creation is yet to come in which the world is without sin. Why not now? Why later? Because God is gathering his church....that body of believers that choose his will over their own and truly want to be with him. He's allowing our choices to run their course until his divinely appointed time to return arrives.
Sin is an offense against God. A breaking of his law. The concepts of breaking the law (sin) or following the law are both inherent in inherent within the overall concept of his law.....these concepts do not exist outside of God. Now engaging in sin does stand opposed to God's divine nature (he will not sin), but the proclivity to since is a part of human nature. Everything is within his control, but he gives us the freedom to choose to accept or reject him....he allows us to defy his will for our lives and reject him so that choices in full favor of him are pure, sincere and honest.
always the same concept of judgment, reward, selection, a bullshit story like many others that always imply... A SELECTION A FEW CHOSEN. Well it can be explained by natural selection. No need to sugar coat it.
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always the same concept of judgment, reward, selection, a bullshit story like many others that always imply... A SELECTION A FEW CHOSEN. Well it can be explained by natural selection. No need to sugar coat it.
there is no judgement for those of us who choose to select ourselves.
we choose whether to accept God's mercy
if we reject him, then he lets us.
its our choice whether we go to heaven or hell, its not something forced upon us
the only judgement that will ever occur is in order to prove to everyone who rejected God that they did indeed reject God. otherwise there is no judgement
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always the same concept of judgment, reward, selection, a bullshit story like many others that always imply... A SELECTION A FEW CHOSEN. Well it can be explained by natural selection. No need to sugar coat it.
Everyone loves their coffeehouse objections and hates when they're answered.
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God gives us free will
Without god creating, allowing or condoning the concepts of good and evil, there is nothing to choose between.
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taylor, you re supported by a woman with low self esteem who apparently think you re the shit cause you have some muscles. She musnt be very bright nor good looking obviously. Nothing very original.
That is all there is to know about your story. Now shut your trap with your nonsense.
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Without god creating, allowing or condoning the concepts of good and evil, there is nothing to choose between.
What are good and evil?
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What are good and evil?
Are you suggesting moral relativism?
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Are you suggesting moral relativism?
i doubt he s even sugesting anything lol...
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i doubt he s even sugesting anything lol...
I thought you are a die hard christian?
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I thought you are a die hard christian?
life had other plans for me :(
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life had other plans for me :(
So you were, but now find it necessary to mock others who were just like you?
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So you were, but now find it necessary to mock others who were just like you?
Exactly, i have become a born again cynical atheist. And Fun is always made at the expense of someone else or when facing absurdity. It's another strategy of survival developed by evolution and added in our arsenal. Mocking these two clowns makes me feel very good.
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Exactly, i have become a born again atheist. And Fun is always made at the expense of someone else or when facing absurdity. It's another strategy of survival developed by evolution and added in our arsenal. Mocking these two clowns makes me feel very good.
Ok, fair enough. Initially, I was equally prickish when I crossed over. Not so fun anymore.
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Tbombz, an island formed less than 200 years ago just off Dublin. It has since become a bird sanctuary but is filled with plants and flowers.
One such flower has evolved to attract bees by showing a bee like image on its petals.
(http://www.northbullisland.com/images/main_1234.png)
http://www.northbullisland.com/index.php?cmd=gallery&cat=339,&pid=1234
That is evolution at its finest. I know I'm talking to a concrete wall but if I keep chipping away you might see the truth.
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life had other plans for me :(
Damn, I wasn't expecting that.
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Damn, I wasn't expecting that.
He really was in essence an atheist still. Just fit religion into the mix of his survivalist materialistic view of the world, as absurd as that sounds. The man has no shame, how can he come here and mock religious people with a straight face?
As for tbombz, just shut up dude. You're going through a phase. Hope all is well.
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We're not miscommunicating. God's creation was deemed good....not perfect. He did not create evil.
[Sidebar: I'm also fully aware of the KJV verses in Isaiah and Amos that state that God created evil. The term evil in that context refers to destruction and calamity....we don't speak like that today so modern translations update the verbiage.]
The perfect creation is yet to come in which the new heavens and earth will exist without sin. Why not now? Why later? Because God is gathering his church....that body of believers that choose his will over their own and truly want to be with him. He's allowing our choices to run their course until his divinely appointed time to return arrives.
Sin is an offense against God. A breaking of his law. The concepts of breaking the law (sin) or following the law are both inherent within the overall concept of his law.....these concepts do not exist outside of God. Now engaging in sin does stand opposed to God's divine nature (he will not sin), but the proclivity to sin is a part of human nature. Everything is within his control, but he gives us the freedom to choose to accept or reject him....he allows us to defy his will for our lives and reject him so that our choices in full favor of him are pure, sincere and honest.
he lives in eternity, time is meaningless.
thanks for the answer.
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He really was in essence an atheist still. Just fit religion into the mix of his survivalist materialistic view of the world, as absurd as that sounds. The man has no shame, how can he come here and mock religious people with a straight face?
As for tbombz, just shut up dude. You're going through a phase. Hope all is well.
At least this is his least dangerous phase. Gay bare back sex wasn't a good choice in retrospect.
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At least this is his least dangerous phase. Gay bare back sex wasn't a good choice in retrospect.
man, the guy will never live that down. perhaps for good reason ;D
getbig is a bunch of unfeeling autistic cunts who make fun of a man with HIV, anything close to this in real life would be called out as abhorrent, vile, etc. :D
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man, the guy will never live that down. perhaps for good reason ;D
getbig is a bunch of unfeeling autistic cunts who make fun of a man with HIV, anything close to this in real life would be called out as abhorrent, vile, etc. :D
I don't consider tbumz predicament funny but I have no sympathy for him
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I don't consider tbumz predicament funny but I have no sympathy for him
I don't see why not, but you're entitled to your views.. we need not subject the topic to public debate :P
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I don't see why not, but you're entitled to your views.. we need not subject the topic to public debate :P
Haha ;D
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Exactly, i have become a born again cynical atheist. And Fun is always made at the expense of someone else or when facing absurdity. It's another strategy of survival developed by evolution and added in our arsenal. Mocking these two clowns makes me feel very good.
Don't bother with further attempts to speak to me again on this board....I mean that.
Your attitude sickens me.
PM won't work either. .....you are now one of the blocked.
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man, the guy will never live that down. perhaps for good reason ;D
getbig is a bunch of unfeeling autistic cunts who make fun of a man with HIV, anything close to this in real life would be called out as abhorrent, vile, etc. :D
he has been given heartfelt advice countless times over the years by more than a few members on here----he responded with the same arrogance and "know it all" attitude you see in this very thread
kid's always got the answers and whether its about being ass blasted by a creepy old man for $$ or about the "power of Jesus" his arguments all sound the same
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Don't bother with further attempts to speak to me again on this board....I mean that.
Your attitude sickens me.
PM won't work either. .....you are now one of the blocked.
Why is his statement offensive to you?
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Why is his statement offensive to you?
I've been cutting folks AMPLE slack for years....that time has come and gone. His last sentence made his intentions very plain. People that want discussion, regardless of difference of opinion, will engage in good discussion and I'm happy to oblige. People like him are playing a game....I'm not playing a game. Why waste another word on him or others like him? Again, that time has come and gone.
I present and defend my faith lovingly to anyone that will hear it (even with the SFs and ubermans and others of that ilk I'll share the gospel with for a time), but when the back and forth is simply me sharing and them insulting and laughing and mocking me endlessly then I'm all finished with them now. Further, I could care less about their angry atheism - there a tons of nice, polite atheists out there (and I've spoken to many).
I'm not gonna keep posting in vain so these types of folks can continue bashing me for the amusement of board members. Me continuing to engage them over the course the next few years won't do a thing either....been there, done that. Again, he made his position very plain and there's not an ounce of respect there for me or other believers (as they would say "why should I respect you?"). I've shared my faith and I'll continue to live it out. If in the future he (or others like him) happen to become interested in knowing more then they can review my post history, perform a google search or find a church, but direct contact with me won't be available. They'll have to figure out another way to chat with me if they truly want to, but I suspect they don't care about that in the slightest.
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99% of the time the dudes who preach the loudest like MOS are the dudes secretly sucking dudes off at gas station bathrooms.
Repression is not at all healthy
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99% of the time the dudes who preach the loudest like MOS are the dudes secretly sucking dudes off at gas station bathrooms.
Repression is not at all healthy
Oh yes, can't forget the "Nordic Beast". You need not bother speaking to me anymore either.
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I've been cutting folks AMPLE slack for years....that time has come and gone. His last sentence made his intentions very plain. People that want discussion, regardless of difference of opinion, will engage in good discussion and I'm happy to oblige. People like him are playing a game....I'm not playing a game. Why waste another word on him or others like him? Again, that time has come and gone.
I present and defend my faith lovingly to anyone that will hear it (even with the SFs and ubermans and others of that ilk I'll share the gospel with for a time), but when the back and forth is simply me sharing and them insulting and laughing and mocking me endlessly then I'm all finished with them now. Further, I could care less about their angry atheism - there a tons of nice, polite atheists out there (and I've spoken to many).
I'm not gonna keep posting in vain so these types of folks can continue bashing me for the amusement of board members. Me continuing to engage them over the course the next few years won't do a thing either....been there, done that. Again, he made his position very plain and there's not an ounce of respect there for me or other believers (as they would say "why should I respect you?"). I've shared my faith and I'll continue to live it out. If in the future he (or others like him) happen to become interested in knowing more then they can review my post history, perform a google search or find a church, but direct contact with me won't be available. They'll have to figure out another way to chat with me if they truly want to, but I suspect they don't care about that in the slightest.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6mujOLJqRuU/URppaVRicUI/AAAAAAAAJRo/6W7h-py1oi8/s1600/reasons+why+child+has+meltdowns.jpg)
(http://torrey-shannon.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/meltdown2.jpg)
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And the debate rages on...Selfish, conceited, narcissistic bodybuilders vs God. Who will win in this eternal fight for dominance? The one who supposedly created man in his image---one could argue with his narcissism, or the one wishing to re-create man as his own image of muscles and glistening oil, only to admire himself in the mirror and seeking out others to admire him (thus, recreating himself as a God?)
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Oh yes, can't forget the "Nordic Beast". You need not bother speaking to me anymore either.
Hahahahhaha good luck living in fantasy land
You should have a nice bible study session with Taylor----guaranteed within the first 15 minutes he'll be gobbling down your cock.
Then you 2 can have a nice guilt filled cry afterwards and pray for Jesus's forgiveness :P
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LOL @ this uberman dude.
He was a Buddhist a few years back, then became a total Nihilist, later adopted Christianity and now is a cynical atheist.
He's like that kid at school who changes which sports team he supports depending on who's winning. :D
He'll probably become a Muslim in a few years because "Islam is a good tool for survival..etc". ;D
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LOL @ this uberman dude.
He was a Buddhist a few years back, then became a total Nihilist, later adopted Christianity and now is a cynical atheist.
He's like that kid at school who changes which sports team he supports depending on who's winning. :D
He'll probably become a Muslim in a few years because "Islam is a good tool for survival..etc". ;D
I think überman is just trolling.
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I think überman is just trolling.
Trolling yes, but I can assure you he showed his true colors in this thread.
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LOL @ this uberman dude.
He was a Buddhist a few years back, then became a total Nihilist, later adopted Christianity and now is a cynical atheist.
He's like that kid at school who changes which sports team he supports depending on who's winning. :D
He'll probably become a Muslim in a few years because "Islam is a good tool for survival..etc". ;D
Im a animal who adapts to survive... just like everyone else. I guess it makes me a nihilistic cynical atheist, which is the closest of one accepting he's an animal. Humans are funny schizophrenic animals who constantly pretend they arent animals and convinced themselves of it even if they indeed, are. Probably their only difference with other animal species.
I think überman is just trolling.
I wish I was :-[
and the funny is that i actually start to think islam isnt that bad, when you think about it :D
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LOL @ this uberman dude.
He was a Buddhist a few years back, then became a total Nihilist, later adopted Christianity and now is a cynical atheist.
He's like that kid at school who changes which sports team he supports depending on who's winning. :D
He'll probably become a Muslim in a few years because "Islam is a good tool for survival..etc". ;D
I'd call that being open minded. Better than just blindly believing like a sheep or being a repressed Christian who tells everyone else how to live their life (banning gay marriage etc)
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Im a animal who adapts to survive... just like everyone else. I guess it makes me a nihilistic cynical atheist, which is the closest of one accepting he's an animal and accepting it. Humans are funny animals who pretend they arent animals. Probably their only difference with other animal species.
I wish I was :-[
and the funny is that i actually start to think islam isnt that bad, when you think about it :D
Seems rather odd to have such a big swing in opinion over such a short period of time - unless you are trolling of course. Have you suffered any grief that has caused this?
Only a few months back you were praising MOS for his faith and family, now he’s a clown? ???
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Seems rather odd to have such a big swing in opinion over such a short period of time - unless you are trolling of course. Have you suffered any grief that has caused this?
Only a few months back you were praising MOS for his faith and family, now he’s a clown? ???
Yup, in the meantime I just realized life is all about survival and nothing else. You adapt, you survive, you dont, you disapear -and nobody gives a shit but those who needed you to maintain/improve their own odds of survival, once you re gone tho, they ll find something/someone else-.
MOS says he s loyal and faithful to a god, that he's apparently satisfied with his life; I say he s lucky to have what he has but that it doesnt have anything to do with "god". Just being big, lucky, well surounded by significant others is enough to be happy, whatever faith, religion you pin on it. Peoply prolly like him because he s big and reassuring, which is an animal behavior. He could be muslim, buddhist or anything and it would be the same. What makes him happy has nothing to do with a god. If he s big it's because of his genes, has nothing to do with god again, for example. If he s big it's because his ancestors mated with big people in order to scare the shit out of other smaller people. Animal behavior.
His personality, being loyal, warm , having values has nothing to do with being christian, there are people just like him who believe in allah, judaism indouhism or are atheist. He probably believe in stuff that help him survive tho, principles, values but this stuff can be found in any kind of religious belief. There are gentle giants everywhere and it's because of their upbringings and genes they became that way, not because of their religion. Also MOS is as religious as you and me, otherwise he would post on getbig lol...Just browsing a messageboard like getbig is an anti religious act as it's all about vanity on here in the firstplace.
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Seems rather odd to have such a big swing in opinion over such a short period of time - unless you are trolling of course. Have you suffered any grief that has caused this?
Only a few months back you were praising MOS for his faith and family, now he’s a clown? ???
I wish I understood it myself. It's a shame really because I don't hate the folks that apparently hate me. Honestly wish I could trust folks more on this board, but sometimes you get burned....live and learn.
Whether or not folks believe I'm going to continue sharing my faith because the Lord has performed a powerful work in my life and has brought me tremendous joy and peace.....that's still all I want for others to experience.....even those that don't like me. In the end, it's just not about me at all....I'm nothin LOL.
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I wish I understood it myself. It's a shame really because I don't hate the folks that apparently hate me. Honestly wish I could trust folks more on this board, but sometimes you get burned....live and learn.
Whether or not folks believe I'm going to continue sharing my faith because the Lord has performed a powerful work in my life and has brought me tremendous joy and peace.....that's still all I want for others to experience.....even those that don't like me. In the end, it's just not about me at all....I'm nothin LOL.
your hapiness is linked to your beliefs, faith , but these beliefs and this faith can be found in any other religion other than christianity. Which means god(s) doesnt exist but that some similar values and principles that are universal are better than others. Even this is debatable tho as you have atheists with no families and tons of money who are just as happy as religious or non religious people with strong family ties.
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I wish I understood it myself. It's a shame really because I don't hate the folks that apparently hate me. Honestly wish I could trust folks more on this board, but sometimes you get burned....live and learn.
Whether or not folks believe I'm going to continue sharing my faith because the Lord has performed a powerful work in my life and has brought me tremendous joy and peace.....that's still all I want for others to experience.....even those that don't like me. In the end, it's just not about me at all....I'm nothin LOL.
You should never stop sharing your faith.
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I'd call that being open minded. Better than just blindly believing like a sheep or being a repressed Christian who tells everyone else how to live their life (banning gay marriage etc)
Changing your belief system every year or so comes across to me as being more fickle. I mean, if I was an atheist, and then became a Christian, then a Muslim, then a Hindu etc. Would this make me open minded or fickle?
I think all of us to an extent tell people how to live their lives. I mean, aren't you telling MOS not to believe in "fairy stories" rather than just let him live his life how he wants to? :D
Too be honest, I always found uberman’s Christian beliefs rather odd and contradictory.
He actually seemed to always hold Darwinist views (survival of the fittest…etc) yet would also encourage other posters to “read the Bible”. I got the idea that he never actually believed in any deity but saw Christianity as a useful tool in Western civilisation since it promoted ideas like family and unity.
Interesting poster nonetheless.
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Changing your belief system every year or so comes across to me as being more fickle. I mean, if I was an atheist, and then became a Christian, then a Muslim, then a Hindu etc. Would this make me open minded or fickle?
I think all of us to an extent tell people how to live their lives. I mean, aren't you telling MOS not to believe in "fairy stories" rather than just let him live his life how he wants to? :D
Too be honest, I always found uberman’s Christian beliefs rather odd and contradictory.
He actually seemed to always hold Darwinist views (survival of the fittest…etc) yet would also encourage other posters to “read the Bible”. I got the idea that he never actually believed in any deity but saw Christianity as a useful tool in Western civilisation since it promoted ideas like family and unity.
Interesting poster nonetheless.
I still believe the last humans on earth will be god-like, having accumulated all the knowledges of their dead ancestors after countless generations. Their lives will still revolve around eat, fuck, shit and fight between themselves or against other life forms for limited ressources tho. But I dont believe in a god, god is the incarnation of our will to dominate - a perfect almighty eternal role model we created -which is an animal trait first and foremost. After realizing that, i was done with believing in a god. I believe in opportunistic animal behaviors and that hapiness is achieved when one dominates instead of being dominated. I also now strongly believe in hurting other people if it makes me feel better, if im in competition with them, as that's what we re all doing directly on indirectly and it cannot be otherwise. You only need to be nice to those you might need, no need to be nice to those who will never ever be of any use in your own survival.
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You should never stop sharing your faith.
You're right and I won't.
It's difficult at times, but honestly that struggle is what it's about....it brings glory to the Lord. He never promised his church a wonderful life....he promised there would be hardships. Regardless, it's in the struggle that as believers we mature our faith, draw closer to him and represent Christ accordingly.
Matthew 7:14
14 But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it.
Matthew 16:24-25
24 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “If any of you wants to be my follower, you must turn from your selfish ways, take up your cross, and follow me. 25 If you try to hang on to your life, you will lose it. But if you give up your life for my sake, you will save it.
You're a good egg my friend.
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Changing your belief system every year or so comes across to me as being more fickle. I mean, if I was an atheist, and then became a Christian, then a Muslim, then a Hindu etc. Would this make me open minded or fickle?
I think all of us to an extent tell people how to live their lives. I mean, aren't you telling MOS not to believe in "fairy stories" rather than just let him live his life how he wants to? :D
Too be honest, I always found uberman’s Christian beliefs rather odd and contradictory.
He actually seemed to always hold Darwinist views (survival of the fittest…etc) yet would also encourage other posters to “read the Bible”. I got the idea that he never actually believed in any deity but saw Christianity as a useful tool in Western civilisation since it promoted ideas like family and unity.
Interesting poster nonetheless.
why do people put evolution and religion in the same boat? evolution is a fact just like gravity, being ignorant to it is one thing but it is literally one of the most elegant, simple theories in existence, nothing found or suspected has ever contradicted it.
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You're right and I won't.
It's difficult at times, but honestly that struggle is what it's about....it brings glory to the Lord. He never promised his church a wonderful life....he promised there would be hardships. Regardless, it's in the struggle that as believers we mature our faith, draw closer to him and represent Christ accordingly.
Matthew 7:14
14 But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it.
Matthew 16:24-25
24 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “If any of you wants to be my follower, you must turn from your selfish ways, take up your cross, and follow me. 25 If you try to hang on to your life, you will lose it. But if you give up your life for my sake, you will save it.
You're a good egg my friend.
While you have faith, don;t you find the logical and fantastical nature of the stories odd? we know that magic isn't real, that the red sea never parted, those things are impossible. How do you reconcile this? or do you simply chalk it up to god and miracles? but just so we are clear, snakes can't talk.
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I guess faith is like a state of transe, like a drug, it gets you euphorical and to ignore details, and it is also self regulating and producing. going to church with siblings is like smoking pot with friends in the end. It s probably just another addiction as everything is addiction.
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While you have faith, don;t you find the logical and fantastical nature of the stories odd? we know that magic isn't real, that the red sea never parted, those things are impossible. How do you reconcile this? or do you simply chalk it up to god and miracles? but just so we are clear, snakes can't talk.
The problem with questions like this (although valid questions) is that is dismisses any possibility of something beyond the natural world....that there is no possibility of the supernatural because God is dismissed from the get go. I could tell you all about things I've experienced, miraculous healings of the blind and crippled that others have witnessed and even encounters with angels and demons. Will you believe me? No, you won't. Christ performed miracles inches from some folks and they still refused to believe.
The logical nature odd? You'll have to elaborate for me, but I don't find God illogical. The fantastical nature odd? Absolutely, goes against my nature and abilities.
Is magic real? No, but we have clever tricks and illusions. Is God's spiritual realm a reality? Yes, I've experienced it. Do some other faiths also claim acts of the miraculous? Yes, but those are all demonic miracles employed in spiritual warfare to take the focus off of Jesus Christ. Did the Red Sea part? Yes. It is impossible for you and me to reproduce that situation, but it happened by God working through Moses. And you're right, by themselves snakes can't talk....and neither can donkeys. The snake you reference was demonically controlled by Satan himself and we know demonic forces can take other forms and possess others (both people and animals). In actuality we don't know exactly what form of serpent in Eden Satan was taking.
I've discussed spiritual warfare and demonic miracles, oppression and possession before, but the crux of the matter is Jesus Christ. His reality was revealed to me by him in my life and validates the rest of scripture for me. I've experienced encounters with both spiritual light and darkness. I've met others that experienced the same. I've read about experiences of others. I reconcile the issue through Christ's promises and his revelation in my life...once a person encounters Christ in their life they're never the same.
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why do people put evolution and religion in the same boat? evolution is a fact just like gravity, being ignorant to it is one thing but it is literally one of the most elegant, simple theories in existence, nothing found or suspected has ever contradicted it.
Evolution and religion are often put in the same boat because to an extent, they are opposed to another. The Abrahamic religions teaches that God created man in his image while evolution teaches that man evolved from apes.
One makes humanity special, the other animalizes humans.
Sure, there are some religious people that believe in evolution but there are also plenty that don't.
Uberman always seemed to believe strongly in evolutionary principles even as a Christian. Religion to him was more a useful survival tool than a genuine truth.
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Religion to him was more a useful survival tool than a genuine truth.
AAaaand this is it folks, thread closed.
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Evolution and religion are often put in the same boat because to an extent, they are opposed to another. The Abrahamic religions teaches that God created man in his image while evolution teaches that man evolved from apes.
One makes humanity special, the other animalizes humans.
Sure, there are some religious people that believe in evolution but there are also plenty that don't.
Uberman always seemed to believe strongly in evolutionary principles even as a Christian. Religion to him was more a useful survival tool than a genuine truth.
Francis Collins lead the Human Genome Project and is a Christian who identifies as a theistic evolutionist. I don't agree with him, but just saying.
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good thing you didn't post her naked or MOS would run away like a scared 10 yr old virgin
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good thing you didn't post her naked or MOS would run away like a scared 10 yr old virgin
:D ;D
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:D ;D
Jesus hates boners
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good thing you didn't post her naked or MOS would run away like a scared 10 yr old virgin
These are old classics in that Christian men are weak in mind and body. ::)
Maybe one day you and I will get a face to face and we can test that out and see if it's true. ;)
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These are old classics in that Christian men are weak in mind and body.
Maybe one day you and I will get a face to face and we can test that out. What say you "Nordic Beast"? LOL.
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hahaha ok "tough guy"
love to be a fly on the wall as you angrily pounded out this post on your keyboard
see what all that repression is doing to you :-\----now melting down and threatening random people on the internet hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahaha
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hahaha ok "tough guy"
love to be a fly on the wall as you angrily pounded out this post on your keyboard
see what all that repression is doing to you :-\----now melting down and threatening random people on the internet hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahaha
AAHAHAHAHA!!! I'm no "tough guy". I can just back up what I say. Why? Because I have the truth in me.
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AAHAHAHAHA!!! I'm no "tough guy". I can just back up what I say.
I don't think Jesus would approve :-\
you need to log off and take a breath
only the internet bottom boy :-*
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keep going back and changing those post MOS
less embarrassing that way
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These are old classics in that Christian men are weak in mind and body. ::)
Maybe one day you and I will get a face to face and we can test that out and see if it's true. ;)
There is this old man with a a christian Radio show, I forgot what day it comes on. I posted a thread on it before. Apparently he was one of those real old school cats that took no shit back in the day and now as well.
It would be funny seeing him talk to some of the people on here and IRL.
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I don't think Jesus would approve :-\
you need to log off and take a breath
only the internet bottom boy :-*
I told you to not bother addressing me, but you decided to ignore that....so be it.....I have no control over what you post.
I haven't responded to your old posts insulting me and when I finally did reply you replied to me in about 6 seconds after that LOL.....pretty telling.
All this grade school taunting is cute, but I'm a full grown man. Still, if doing that makes you feel big then have it.
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keep going back and changing those post MOS
less embarrassing that way
We all change posts....I watched you change about 10 in row while in the thick of this thread......nothing to be ashamed of. ...I revise stuff I write all the time.
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I told you to not bother addressing me, but you decided to ignore that....so be it.....I have no control over what you post.
I haven't responded to your old posts insulting me and when I finally did reply you replied to me in about 6 seconds after that LOL.....pretty telling.
All this grade school taunting is cute, but I'm a full grown man. Still, if doing that makes you feel big then have it.
haha grown man...6th grader hahahah from the dude who's so worked up he's threatening random dudes on the internet
like I said log off MOS you're just embarrassing yourself now
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haha grown man...6th grader hahahah from the dude who's so worked up he's threatening random dudes on the internet
like I said log off MOS you're just embarrassing yourself now
I never suffer from any embarrassment on these boards and I don't threaten anyone either.
If you perceive a threat in my words that has everything to do with you. Regardless, I do stand by all my words.
BUT, I see now I'm speaking to a kiddo here.....that's where I made a mistake.
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i doubt god approves of your wife working while you sit at home doing nothing, not very manly of you, shouldnt you be the one providing for the family?
You are living in the wrong century.
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I also doubt god approves of your sorry ass flauting your wife's shit on the internets...not very humble nor smart of you.. as if you were just another random vain loser trying to prove others and himself his life isnt as shitty as it obviously is.
Its not god who paid for all that shit , it s that poor woman with an obviously so very low self esteem she thinks she needs you cause nobody else for some reason wants her.
Or, it's love. Don't analyze other's relationships, better to spend your energy on your own.
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Satan created sin, he is the father of it. God knows what is sin and what isnt sin, he doesnt choose what is sin and what isnt. he just lets us know what is good for us, because he loves us.
Ah the myths folks believe. Sin is a moving target, in that what is sinful is ever changing with the times. While I understand folks need to believe in something bigger then they are, it still seems like a crutch to me.
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MOS you look really sharp in that suit.
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What are good and evil?
excellent question....one with millions of answers all different.
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man, the guy will never live that down. perhaps for good reason ;D
getbig is a bunch of unfeeling autistic cunts who make fun of a man with HIV, anything close to this in real life would be called out as abhorrent, vile, etc. :D
Right, some might even call this behavior sinful.
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I don't consider tbumz predicament funny but I have no sympathy for him
And this would be because you have never made a mistake or done something you later regretted.
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he has been given heartfelt advice countless times over the years by more than a few members on here----he responded with the same arrogance and "know it all" attitude you see in this very thread
kid's always got the answers and whether its about being ass blasted by a creepy old man for $$ or about the "power of Jesus" his arguments all sound the same
And this is his shortcoming. It is something that a lot of folks his age share, unfortunately.
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Im a animal who adapts to survive... just like everyone else. I guess it makes me a nihilistic cynical atheist, which is the closest of one accepting he's an animal. Humans are funny schizophrenic animals who constantly pretend they arent animals and convinced themselves of it even if they indeed, are. Probably their only difference with other animal species.
I wish I was :-[
and the funny is that i actually start to think islam isnt that bad, when you think about it :D
Despite what some folks think, your core beliefs appear unchanged. You posts are remarkably the same regardless of which incarnation you say your in.
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You shousld never stop sharing your faith.
And why do you believe this to be so? Personally, I find it annoying that anyone thinks they have the answer for others. Is it an ego thing?
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And why do you believe this to be so? Personally, I find it annoying that anyone thinks they have the answer for others. Is it an ego thing?
Because his faith says it's important. Annoyed, don't read his posts. Simple.
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Because his faith says it's important. Annoyed, don't read his posts. Simple.
The term I used, "annoyed" was in the general sense and not meant with as a strong emotional response . Of course, I can choose not to read annoying posts, just as I can choose not to answer the door when Jehovah's Witnesses ring my door bell. Realistically, I understand that it is human nature for people to want to share their beliefs....we all do it. It doesn't make it any less annoying. Furthermore, if we didn't express ourselves when we believe we are on to something good, a lot of knowledge would get lost.
For as long as humanity has inhabited this world, wars have been fought in the name of religion and religious differences. This is a real sin if you want to talk about sins.
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The term I used, "annoyed" was in the general sense and not meant with as a strong emotional response . Of course, I can choose not to read annoying posts, just as I can choose not to answer the door when Jehovah's Witnesses ring my door bell. Realistically, I understand that it is human nature for people to want to share their beliefs....we all do it. It doesn't make it any less annoying. Furthermore, if we didn't express ourselves when we believe we are on to something good, a lot of knowledge would get lost.
For as long as humanity has inhabited this world, wars have been fought in the name of religion and religious differences. This is a real sin if you want to talk about sins.
Not sure I completely agree with this. Think it's a popular cliche that oversimplifies true motivation. But that's beside the point. MOS is good peeps.
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Not sure I completely agree with this. Think it's a popular cliche that oversimplifies true motivation. But that's beside the point. MOS is good peeps.
Well, I will give you this, some of the current conflicts which have religious overtones might just be using religious differences as an excuse for some other reason to fight and kill others. However, some are more clearly based on differing religious beliefs. Religion and politics are unfortunately completely entwined, Think about the politics involved in Jesus' crucifixion Consider the crusades....political? I think so.
Nice of you to defend MOS. My comments were not intended harshly. Hopefully, MOS wouldn't take them as such....you shouldn't either.
I believe in honoring people's right to believe what they choose and what works for them. I only hope they will give me the same freedom. Trust me on this, I am not one who wishes ill will on anyone.
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Well, I will give you this, some of the current conflicts which have religious overtones might just be using religious differences as an excuse for some other reason to fight and kill others. However, some are more clearly based on differing religious beliefs. Religion and politics are unfortunately completely entwined, Think about the politics involved in Jesus' crucifixion Consider the crusades....political? I think so.
Nice of you to defend MOS. My comments were not intended harshly. Hopefully, MOS wouldn't take them as such....you shouldn't either.
I believe in honoring people's right to believe what they choose and what works for them. I only hope they will give me the same freedom. Trust me on this, I am not one who wishes ill will on anyone.
I believe you, Prime. You're good peeps as well. A bit grouchy the other day, but we all are at times.
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I believe you, Prime. You're good peeps as well. A bit grouchy the other day, but we all are at times.
Yeah, I am working on the grouchy part. When I go there, I need to be called on it. There is nothing more annoying then grouchy old folks. I can't do anything about being old, but I can do something about not being grouchy.
In my real life, I am not so grouchy, I hope. I get along with my grandkids really well. Some of you folks are probably about the same age as my (hopefully) older grandchildren....the oldest being 23 years old and getting married this summer. It is the first grandchild to cross this mega bridge. Her fiancé seems like a really decent dude too. My parents cut me a lot of slack when I was a kid. I try to do that with my kids and grandkids too as well as all younger folks.
The culture on Getbig is occasionally combative and some posters intentionally instigate conflict. I may be old, but I am not immune to falling into that negative mode at times. -Not sure how good a peep I am, but I try. Even at the ripe old age of almost 70 years, I am still learning new things everyday....sometimes even on Getbig. Posting here is challenging because like with all internet communications a lot gets lost in the translation. What we intend to convey does not always come across as intended. It is frustrating sometimes.
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Yeah, I am working on the grouchy part. When I go there, I need to be called on it. There is nothing more annoying then grouchy old folks. I can't do anything about being old, but I can do something about not being grouchy.
In my real life, I am not so grouchy, I hope. I get along with my grandkids really well. Some of you folks are probably about the same age as my (hopefully) older grandchildren....the oldest being 23 years old and getting married this summer. It is the first grandchild to cross this mega bridge. Her fiancé seems like a really decent dude too. My parents cut me a lot of slack when I was a kid. I try to do that with my kids and grandkids too as well as all younger folks.
The culture on Getbig is occasionally combative and some posters intentionally instigate conflict. I may be old, but I am not immune to falling into that negative mode at times. -Not sure how good a peep I am, but I try. Even at the ripe old age of almost 70 years, I am still learning new things everyday....sometimes even on Getbig. Posting here is challenging because like with all internet communications a lot gets lost in the translation. What we intend to convey does not always come across as intended. It is frustrating sometimes.
I know how it is here, believe me. But not everyone is out to get you. Some just want to interact without all the negative bullshit. Not that that isn't fun too sometimes.
Anyway, have a good night. You grouchy, old fuck. :)
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The fact that we have people still going door to door to sell religion.... :-\
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The fact that we have people still going door to door to sell religion.... :-\
I hate that shit, too. But that's only the JWs, no? I've tried to be nice to them, but they always misinterpret that as interest and come back the following week or so. Fuck that.
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I hate that shit, too. But that's only the JWs, no? I've tried to be nice to them, but they always misinterpret that as interest and come back the following week or so. Fuck that.
I guess that means there are enough morons still out there. Smart people are not converted by a knock on the door.
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I guess that means there are enough morons still out there. Smart people are not converted by a knock on the door.
Exactly what bugs me about it. From what I understand, this is a requirement for JWs. Part of the bargain is the work you put in. Gotta sell that shit door-to-door, but it's for them, not us. Burning salvation calories. May be the case for Mormons as well.
But you're right, people are turned off by this big time. If we were seeking God, we'd burn the calories ourselves and show up at their "house." I liken it to AA - drunks show up when they're ready to get sober, sobriety doesn't come knocking. If you ain't ready, you ain't fucken ready. You gotta want that shit.
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Well, I will give you this, some of the current conflicts which have religious overtones might just be using religious differences as an excuse for some other reason to fight and kill others. However, some are more clearly based on differing religious beliefs. Religion and politics are unfortunately completely entwined, Think about the politics involved in Jesus' crucifixion Consider the crusades....political? I think so.
Nice of you to defend MOS. My comments were not intended harshly. Hopefully, MOS wouldn't take them as such....you shouldn't either.
I believe in honoring people's right to believe what they choose and what works for them. I only hope they will give me the same freedom. Trust me on this, I am not one who wishes ill will on anyone.
I'm not at all offended. You aren't attacking or insulting. . .just discussing....all good in my book.
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MOS you look really sharp in that suit.
Why thank you!
Took me a second to figure out what you meant. Then I remembered I updated the avatar.
Gotta put on the big boy clothes once in awhile and when I do prepare to snap a few pics for the wife. ..can't always be the birthday suit.
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excellent question....one with millions of answers allto different.
Exactly! You say something is evil but your neighbor says it's good. Which is correct or are both correct? What's the standard to appeal to? The mobs of civilians? Government? What about mobs and govts with competing standards?
It's a huge question actually.
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Myself, I'd say you guys are mistaking the ideas of 'good and bad' with 'right and wrong'.
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Myself, I'd say you guys are mistaking the ideas of 'good and bad' with 'right and wrong'.
What are right and wrong?
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Tbombz you doing great. Stay sober, be nice to your girlfriend and good things will happen.
You are doing a great job.
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Tbombz you doing great. Stay sober, be nice to your girlfriend and good things will happen.
You are doing a great job.
One of the best posts in this thread!
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What are right and wrong?
I'd say they are ways that draw nearer to (or repel further from) good or bad.
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Tbombz you doing great. Stay sober, be nice to your girlfriend and good things will happen.
You are doing a great job.
Wife.
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Exactly what bugs me about it. From what I understand, this is a requirement for JWs. Part of the bargain is the work you put in. Gotta sell that shit door-to-door, but it's for them, not us. Burning salvation calories. May be the case for Mormons as well.
But you're right, people are turned off by this big time. If we were seeking God, we'd burn the calories ourselves and show up at their "house." I liken it to AA - drunks show up when they're ready to get sober, sobriety doesn't come knocking. If you ain't ready, you ain't fucken ready. You gotta want that shit.
Boom! That's the truth.