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Re: Where Are They Now - Tom Prince
« Reply #150 on: November 16, 2019, 08:15:58 AM »
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Re: Where Are They Now - Tom Prince
« Reply #151 on: November 16, 2019, 09:00:37 AM »
I’ll go even further and say nothing above 160-180mg should be called TRT. Everything should be depending on the labs, but even with a really high SHBG binding up your free test, a 160mg/week dose should get you over that and put your free test in a nice, high end of the range if not more. 200mg/week plus anastrozole is the standard cookie cutter plan of the legal steroid clinics not basing any of their protocol on labs. Most using a protocol like that will run into elevated red blood cell count or hematocrit levels AKA thick blood.

I think the length of time one has been on TRT makes a difference in their hemantocit levels. While still with in range, mine are at the high end of the scale, which my doctor is monitoring. I'm supposed to give blood fairly often to help keep it down around 50. Also, according to my doctor, drinking plenty of hydrating liquids helps too.

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Re: Where Are They Now - Tom Prince
« Reply #152 on: November 16, 2019, 12:29:46 PM »
as far as TRT is concerned:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5182226/

latest guidelines from 2019:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6462962/

As far as SHBG is concerned:
this acts a buffer, transporter and a reserve for free T, much like what T4 is to T3
bioactive, albumin unbound "free" T, only lasts a fraction of time within the body
knowing this, you can make your own conclusions when interpreting lab results

Over the top TRT will decrease fertility while true TRT will enhance it

Prostate cancer and it's relation to T remains ambiguous. Upcoming research suggests it might be the diminition of T alongside the ageing process that triggers prostate cancer cells rather than it's sustained presence. Based on my readings I have a hard time believing this, but there could be something to this so I validate any researchers efforts looking into it.


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Re: Where Are They Now - Tom Prince
« Reply #153 on: November 16, 2019, 12:42:33 PM »
as far as TRT is concerned:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5182226/

latest guidelines from 2019:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6462962/

As far as SHBG is concerned:
this acts a buffer, transporter and a reserve for free T, much like what T4 is to T3
bioactive, albumin unbound "free" T, only lasts a fraction of time within the body
knowing this, you can make your own conclusions when interpreting lab results

Over the top TRT will decrease fertility while true TRT will enhance it

Prostate cancer and it's relation to T remains ambiguous. Upcoming research suggests it might be the diminition of T alongside the ageing process that triggers prostate cancer cells rather than it's sustained presence. Based on my readings I have a hard time believing this, but there could be something to this so I validate any researchers efforts looking into it.



I've said this before; I credit my being on TRT with the early discovery of prostate cancer. Had I not been on it, I wouldn't have been having labs done as often as I was. Several years after the surgery, my PSA remains what is considered undetectable.


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Re: Where Are They Now - Tom Prince
« Reply #154 on: November 16, 2019, 01:31:45 PM »
I’ll go even further and say nothing above 160-180mg should be called TRT. Everything should be depending on the labs, but even with a really high SHBG binding up your free test, a 160mg/week dose should get you over that and put your free test in a nice, high end of the range if not more. 200mg/week plus anastrozole is the standard cookie cutter plan of the legal steroid clinics not basing any of their protocol on labs. Most using a protocol like that will run into elevated red blood cell count or hematocrit levels AKA thick blood.

attempted to get a script for arimidex while on legit trt and doctor said he couldn't do it as it'd be considered "cosmetic", insurance wouldn't cover, etc...

genetics come into play with the RBC stuff as well. ive never had an issue with RBC. doesn't matter if it's 2-4g of my own test cyp/enan/ace (& test levels of 9k+, which I believe was on just 2g of my enanthate at the time), or 200mg bi-monthly of Phizer Cyp. (eq and anadrol had no effect either, as I was running 200-300 drol/day when I was hospitalized with thyrotoxic periodic paralysis and had a good 14tubes of blood taken on a Wednesday (1st time I woke up unable to move from waist down) and at least that much taken Friday-sun after I woke up way worse and the actually admitted me Friday morning. RBC's were never even elevated, much less near dangerous levels.

considering legit TRT, 200mg every other week put me at 1200 a day or 2 (or 2-3) days after the injection and would drop down the 700-750s by the day before (or day of) my next injection. for a while I was getting 300mg every 3wks and i'd be 1400 the day or 2 after the injection, but would drop into the 500-600s by time for the next shot.

… and my natural test levels are sub-90ng

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Re: Where Are They Now - Tom Prince
« Reply #155 on: November 16, 2019, 02:07:08 PM »
attempted to get a script for arimidex while on legit trt and doctor said he couldn't do it as it'd be considered "cosmetic", insurance wouldn't cover, etc...

genetics come into play with the RBC stuff as well. ive never had an issue with RBC. doesn't matter if it's 2-4g of my own test cyp/enan/ace (& test levels of 9k+, which I believe was on just 2g of my enanthate at the time), or 200mg bi-monthly of Phizer Cyp. (eq and anadrol had no effect either, as I was running 200-300 drol/day when I was hospitalized with thyrotoxic periodic paralysis and had a good 14tubes of blood taken on a Wednesday (1st time I woke up unable to move from waist down) and at least that much taken Friday-sun after I woke up way worse and the actually admitted me Friday morning. RBC's were never even elevated, much less near dangerous levels.

considering legit TRT, 200mg every other week put me at 1200 a day or 2 (or 2-3) days after the injection and would drop down the 700-750s by the day before (or day of) my next injection. for a while I was getting 300mg every 3wks and i'd be 1400 the day or 2 after the injection, but would drop into the 500-600s by time for the next shot.

… and my natural test levels are sub-90ng

Many years ago when I first started TRT, my doctor recommended 300mg once every three weeks injected in his office. This never happened because I convinced him I was comfortable injecting myself.

I've never done labs right after an injection, so I have no idea how high the numbers go. What I do know is that I generally stop TRT the week prior to doing labs. One time I did them a bit too soon and my total was over 1,200 which concerned the doctor. Ever since then, I've been careful to allow a full week. It's cheating, I know. But I feel good when I get at least 150mg a week. My only concern is keeping my hematocrit down around 50 because the doctor gets antsy about it if it is over 52.

I order Arimidex and HCG online once every three months or so from an Indian pharmacy. I've never asked the doctor for a prescription and I've never mentioned that I'm using them. -Another cheat.

My prescription calls for a 10 ml - 2,000 mg refill every month which I've been doing. It's a mistake that neither the pharmacy nor my insurance has caught...yet. I'm supposed to inject 150 mg per week. It's comforting to have cushion should the doctor ever refuse or drastically lower my prescription. My copay for the 10 ml vial is $20.

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Re: Where Are They Now - Tom Prince
« Reply #156 on: November 16, 2019, 05:10:51 PM »
not to get off topic... .but get as lean as you can and good chances on TRT you will NOT need an AI and also some believe AI's to be very dangerous too.

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Re: Where Are They Now - Tom Prince
« Reply #157 on: November 16, 2019, 05:25:39 PM »
not to get off topic... .but get as lean as you can and good chances on TRT you will need an AI and also some believe AI's to be very dangerous too.

Perhaps, but don't some people who are lean have naturally higher testosterone levels.

“Losing weight not only reduces the risk of prediabetic men progressing to diabetes but also appears to increase their body's production of testosterone,” Hayes said.

https://www.todaysdietitian.com/news/071812_news.shtml

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Re: Where Are They Now - Tom Prince
« Reply #158 on: November 16, 2019, 05:55:43 PM »
Perhaps, but don't some people who are lean have naturally higher testosterone levels.

“Losing weight not only reduces the risk of prediabetic men progressing to diabetes but also appears to increase their body's production of testosterone,” Hayes said.

https://www.todaysdietitian.com/news/071812_news.shtml

Sorry if i was not clear.

I am all for TRT - but not most do not need AI and should not use it

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Re: Where Are They Now - Tom Prince
« Reply #159 on: November 16, 2019, 08:28:32 PM »
Perhaps, but don't some people who are lean have naturally higher testosterone levels.

“Losing weight not only reduces the risk of prediabetic men progressing to diabetes but also appears to increase their body's production of testosterone,” Hayes said.

https://www.todaysdietitian.com/news/071812_news.shtml

This is well known. There is a negative correlation between BMI and testosterone levels.

Body fat makes aromatase enzyme -> aromatase converts testosterone into estrogen -> low body fat = low aromatase levels -> less conversion of testosterone into estrogen -> low estrogen levels -> body increases testosterone to bring estrogen up to normal levels.

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Re: Where Are They Now - Tom Prince
« Reply #160 on: November 16, 2019, 10:29:53 PM »
Where's Tom's Asian boy toy these days?

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Re: Where Are They Now - Tom Prince
« Reply #161 on: November 17, 2019, 07:00:33 PM »
Digital Muscle Media:
WHERE ARE THEY NOW-
Former Mr. USA, Tom Prince







Shawn Ray is the Wendy Williams of interviews

More interested in TRASHING a person than actually getting them to SPEAK of their past and what they are currently doing in regard to livelihood, hobbies, health maintenance and setting future goals etc
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Re: Where Are They Now - Tom Prince
« Reply #162 on: November 17, 2019, 07:10:26 PM »
This is well known. There is a negative correlation between BMI and testosterone levels.

Body fat makes aromatase enzyme -> aromatase converts testosterone into estrogen -> low body fat = low aromatase levels -> less conversion of testosterone into estrogen -> low estrogen levels -> body increases testosterone to bring estrogen up to normal levels.


yes

most juicers are to fat to be on the sauce and get more sides then they should....since they carry too much fat.

also same with TRT... get bf as low as you can naturally and maintain it for a prolonged period of time before getting on the TRT (75mg to 125mg a week is sufficient) and most do not need an AI when your bodyfat is low, avoid AI's at all cost.

I was heavier than I should have... and time I got terrible estrogenic sides and I will not repeat that it again. plus the rebound was terrible too

life is all about trial and error, but learn from your mistakes

plus..... most take WAY too much test whether on a cycle or TRT....

these are my observations ^^^

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Re: Where Are They Now - Tom Prince
« Reply #163 on: November 17, 2019, 08:04:05 PM »
No. Why do you say something like this? Why would a doctor risk his career prescribing a dose that would put you thousands of ng/ml over the reference range?

"The minimum."

Nothing to do with doctors prescribing and everything to do with “bro’s” thinking that whatever they are taking is trt levels even 500 mg a wk, a lot of gym rats take “trt” to another level

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Re: Where Are They Now - Tom Prince
« Reply #164 on: November 17, 2019, 08:23:18 PM »
Nothing to do with doctors prescribing and everything to do with “bro’s” thinking that whatever they are taking is trt levels even 500 mg a wk, a lot of gym rats take “trt” to another level

Ah, OK. That makes more sense.

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Re: Where Are They Now - Tom Prince
« Reply #165 on: November 20, 2019, 11:27:22 PM »
yes

most juicers are to fat to be on the sauce and get more sides then they should....since they carry too much fat.

also same with TRT... get bf as low as you can naturally and maintain it for a prolonged period of time before getting on the TRT (75mg to 125mg a week is sufficient) and most do not need an AI when your bodyfat is low, avoid AI's at all cost.

I was heavier than I should have... and time I got terrible estrogenic sides and I will not repeat that it again. plus the rebound was terrible too

life is all about trial and error, but learn from your mistakes

plus..... most take WAY too much test whether on a cycle or TRT....

these are my observations ^^^

My weight loss and weight gain is something of a mystery to me. A month or so ago, I was getting slightly worried about becoming too thin when I stepped on the scales and weighed 162 lbs. Today I weighed 178 lbs. but I've been averaging 174 lbs for about a week now. The weird part is that I haven't changed anything much about my routine that would explain this. Eating the same and exercising the same amount. I did increase my weekly test injection from 150 mg to 200 mg and I made a conscious effort to drink more water.

Today, I put on a pair of jeans that have no stretch in the fabric and they felt tight. Not good, since they're almost new and I paid $150. for them. I may be cutting my meal portions for awhile until I get my weight down to around 172 lbs. Which at 69 1/2" is probably about right for me. Could a bump of 50 mg of test per week cause a weight increase?

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Re: Where Are They Now - Tom Prince
« Reply #166 on: November 21, 2019, 01:19:10 AM »
My weight loss and weight gain is something of a mystery to me. A month or so ago, I was getting slightly worried about becoming too thin when I stepped on the scales and weighed 162 lbs. Today I weighed 178 lbs. but I've been averaging 174 lbs for about a week now. The weird part is that I haven't changed anything much about my routine that would explain this. Eating the same and exercising the same amount. I did increase my weekly test injection from 150 mg to 200 mg and I made a conscious effort to drink more water.

Today, I put on a pair of jeans that have no stretch in the fabric and they felt tight. Not good, since they're almost new and I paid $150. for them. I may be cutting my meal portions for awhile until I get my weight down to around 172 lbs. Which at 69 1/2" is probably about right for me. Could a bump of 50 mg of test per week cause a weight increase?

I never quite got the thinking that if one "bumps up" the amount of gear they take that it will result in a weight gain. Discounting water retention, it is a caloric surplus or deficit that will determine weight gain. Granted using more or less gear will make a difference in how those calories are utilized just like weight training alone will make such a difference rather than just stuffing your face. For example, a friend of mine is currently training for the Shawn Ray Classic and he is taking probably triple the amount of anabolics, which is measured in grams, than he normally takes. Yet he has dropped about twenty five pounds total. Why is that? He "bumped" it up not by 50mg/wk but more like 3,500mg/wk yet lost weight. Calories my friend, calories.

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Re: Where Are They Now - Tom Prince
« Reply #167 on: November 21, 2019, 01:56:51 AM »
Where's Tom's Asian boy toy these days?

Tell us more.

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Re: Where Are They Now - Tom Prince
« Reply #168 on: November 25, 2019, 12:58:12 PM »
Tell us more.

I think they may be referring to this part of a recent Palumbo thing (linked from the DAG4P thread) about the NoC after-parties...

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Re: Where Are They Now - Tom Prince
« Reply #169 on: November 25, 2019, 03:48:13 PM »
I have some dirt on this fool. These guys act so tough when on the juice, then reality hits when they get off and turn into little bitches..

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Re: Where Are They Now - Tom Prince
« Reply #170 on: November 25, 2019, 04:07:34 PM »
I have some dirt on this fool. These guys act so tough when on the juice, then reality hits when they get off and turn into little bitches..



What dirt ya got
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Re: Where Are They Now - Tom Prince
« Reply #171 on: November 25, 2019, 05:17:06 PM »
I have some dirt on this fool. These guys act so tough when on the juice, then reality hits when they get off and turn into little bitches..


Spill it!!!!!!

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Re: Where Are They Now - Tom Prince
« Reply #172 on: November 25, 2019, 07:35:51 PM »

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Re: Where Are They Now - Tom Prince
« Reply #173 on: December 10, 2019, 11:51:57 AM »

What dirt ya got

Trust me, I'd love to say, but I wouldn't feel right to kick a man when he's down.  I will say this though, he was a POS when he was on the drugs. Now that he's a little man, his tone has changed for the better.

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Re: Where Are They Now - Tom Prince
« Reply #174 on: December 10, 2019, 12:05:52 PM »
I have no qualms in stating that I've always felt Tom to be a slimey piece of shit that's hung like a light switch.

I don't wish ill health to anyone, Tom included. His attitude was always terrible and he would act as if he were special.

Well, good old hamster dick is now probably running around sucking dicks under a bridge for money, giving out signed pictures from his gay porn days.

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