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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: OTHstrong on November 10, 2012, 03:45:48 PM
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There is a thread in the gossip section on DNP. As the story goes it left 2 people dead.
I don't understand all the chemicals like dnp, t3 and even Clen, why? ECA smashes them all big time, not even close, so why bother with these dangerous compounds that do not even yield the results ephedrine yields.
What more can you ask for?.... ECA wakes you up, makes you more alert, gives you tons of energy, makes you way stronger, melts the fat off, raises you metabolism, suppresses your hunger, the list is endless. The most superior drug to get shredded with and I have done it all.
Truly if cost 10 times what it does, I would still buy it, in fact it would still be cheaper then everything else, it just does not make sense too do anything else.
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well clen does it like eca quite frankly.
DNP, no comparison. In a week I can shed 2-4% bf (no exaggeration). Just every last time i ran it i got an allergic reaction and ketotifen wasn't helping.. it left marks on the skin so I am staying away from it for that reason alone... the rash reaction. It's hard to go through but after you will love the results.
There is nothing that can compare to DNP...
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I have tried it all, nothing compares to the benefits of ECA, if you had better results on dnp it's because your eca dose was to low
What you shed in a week means nothing, it is how low you can get that counts and eca has gotten me to striated glutes and just peeled.
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I am very sensitive to stimulants and it makes me feel awful. I agree 100% with what you are saying, but i think T3 is the best for me personally.
I would never try DNP and never recommend it to anyone.
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I am very sensitive to stimulants and it makes me feel awful. I agree 100% with what you are saying, but i think T3 is the best for me personally.
I would never try DNP and never recommend it to anyone.
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I would say 5-10% of people can not take ephedrine for sensitive reasons. For the very few it hits their heart way to hard and I accept that they are just in finding a substitution
....but for the rest that can take ECA and choose not to over some weird alternative to think they are going to get better results does not make sense to me as from my experience you can not out due the speed you lose fat on ECA, it is the fastest way to lose fat.
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i dont think you've tried dnp to actually realize how you can lose literally a pound of fat a day at a high enough dose.
And the muscle loss is far less than cutting with stims/low calorie/etc...
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i dont think you've tried dnp to actually realize how you can lose literally a pound of fat a day at a high enough dose.
And the muscle loss is far less than cutting with stims/low calorie/etc...
tried it many times bro, it is not as good as ECA, I competed before and I get people in contest shape and always a disaster with dnp and it is not consistent and dangerous and halts their progress, ECA is ten times better, I lose 40lb in 10 weeks on ECA, no compound on the planet can break that speed.
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o_O i think someone sold u bunk dnp.
Don't get me wrong ECA is great, but... to say its better than DNP is madness lol. Not to mention for me and a lot of others, losing weight on DNP, since its non-hormonal, that weight stays off, you gradually put it back on as you keep eating, but with eca/clen i always have some rebound regardless.
Well, if it works for you great.
I would do dnp once in a while if it weren't for the alergic reaction i get... it sucked REAL bad last time i did it about 2 months ago or so, real short burst.. but i got the allergic reaction real real bad...
Also as soon as i get off dnp i look best, but also i get this great rebound in feeling/strength which motivates u to work real hard too haha...
With ephedrine i have a bad crash.
I am curious what sort of dosages do you use of ECA? And what sort of plan/diet/etc.. do you employ to do that sort of loss?
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This is me 6 years ago, I registered at 3.5% bodyfat with the calibers on ECA only.
Since then of course I am way bigger so it is harder to get leaner but ECA best and has worked the fastest, no faster way, not even DNP, and I have taken half a bottle of ephedrine at a time ;). No carbs is my style.
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well im not a naturally lean guy and also after i got married i completely let myself go and became close to 300... no joke... i lost that since of course, but lets just say at one point when i get back into lifting, i was on eca for 3 months.. got pretty lean but lost too much mass :-/ i was natty at the time though, this was all before i had low test issues and never did roids. I did it with keto diet. High fat and high protein, lots of cardio.
I am not sure if with aas keto diet is a good idea and if either way it may be a bad idea for me? I havent tried it since. DNP has been sort of magic for me.. getting me to lean levels while retaining mass... At this point I need alot of mass.
As things stand now, i need to be on hormones/trt, being natty is impossible, and also i am getting older, my gh levels are definetely not what they used to be... i need really high calories to build mass and i need high calories to maintain mass.. and at the same time can gain fat quickly... while when i go in caloric deficit i can lose muscle quick and not so much fat. Hence I need cleverly crafted artificial means to achieve my goals... dnp seemed to help... would be interested in giving ECA the way i did before.
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I am very sensitive to stimulants and it makes me feel awful. I agree 100% with what you are saying, but i think T3 is the best for me personally.
I would never try DNP and never recommend it to anyone.
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Same here. Stims FUCK me up.
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There is a thread in the gossip section on DNP. As the story goes it left 2 people dead.
I don't understand all the chemicals like dnp, t3 and even Clen, why? ECA smashes them all big time, not even close, so why bother with these dangerous compounds that do not even yield the results ephedrine yields.
What more can you ask for?.... ECA wakes you up, makes you more alert, gives you tons of energy, makes you way stronger, melts the fat off, raises you metabolism, suppresses your hunger, the list is endless. The most superior drug to get shredded with and I have done it all.
Truly if cost 10 times what it does, I would still buy it, in fact it would still be cheaper then everything else, it just does not make sense too do anything else.
you just like it cause its an amphetamine and it gets you high as fuck ;)
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I'm taking over 100mgs of ephedrine a day and I can even take it before going to bed. Doesn't do anything for my appetite either but I know there's a metabolic benefit to it so I just keep on taking it. And yeah its real...get that stuff otc here.
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I'm curious what you're running it at onetime...
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Same here.
What I remember when I ran it for a legit dedicated 3 month cut as a natty lol... was that gradually the 'heat' went away.. so i kept upping the dose. And so I read that despite not 'feeling its effects' that its still doing the fat loss.
Which I guess in this sense is better than clen since clen does stop doing its thing after a while unless u use something like ketotifen.
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I'm curious what you're running it at onetime...
OK but before I answer I have to explain a few thing, read this if you want to get absolutely shredded. This is why ECA is the best;
The way ECA works is it gives you more energy on less carbs, so say you take 32mg of ephedrine and you have ate 300 grams of carbs, the energy you get from the ECA will NOT be that great, if you ate 200 grams of carbs then the additional energy you get from it ECA will be more, and if you ate 100 grams it will be more yet. On 0 carbs the energy increase is the greatest on ECA. It is almost as if the carbs diminish it's potency.
So it is amazing on a no carb diet. But the problem is people do not know how to use ECA in a maximum beneficial manner so they do not get proper results. First mistake is they take it daily and periodically, huge mistake, your receptors get used to the stimulants fast so before you know it you have to keep upping the dose to achieve the same levels of energy it produces.
This is how I use it, only on training days and prior to a workout to start off with, I will take 32mg of ephedrine, 200mg caffeine, and 80mg aspirin 20 minutes before a workout and I am on a no carb diet and the energy from the ECA is NO different from that of having eaten tons of carbs, I swear absolutely no different in energy levels at all, still cranking 400 on the bench for reps no problem.
By only using it when I need it I will not tap out my receptors that quickly and at around the 3 week mark I will take 48mg of ephedrine instead of 32 cause by this point I will need more to achieve the same results.
at the 5 week mark I am up 64 mg at one time and 300mg of caffeine, the aspirin always stays at 80mg cause the body does not adapt to aspirin ( at least not noticeably). Now every 4 workouts I up the ephedrine by 8mg and when I get to the 96mg of ephedrine I add another 100 mg of caffeine. Remember up to this point your primary reason to have used ECA is as a stimulant for your workout and of course there are other secondary benefits as well.
At week six I take 8mg of ephedrine when I wake up and 8mg at launch, at week 7 I take 16mg of ephedrine when I wake up and 16mg at launch, at week 8 I take 24mg of ephedrine when I wake up and so on and so on. Now the primary reason for the ECA in the morning and at launch is for fat burning and to suppress appetite, while your pre-workout ECA still remains as a stimulant.
This is the pattern I use and I lose 40-45 lb in 10-12 weeks, no one loses faster then that, but more importantly I get to 4% or less and this what I put my people on to get shredded, they love it, simple, basic and easy. In fact everyone I have worked with claims the same strength 2 weeks out on no carbs as the day they started dieting because the ECA allows you to throw up your heaviest weights in the gym.
The no carb diet is exactly that, no carbs, unlimited amounts of protein and I go as long as I can (anywhere from 6-10 days) before I carb load with 300 grams and then it's back to the trenches.
Now here is the good part and I swear by this, in fact I put my life on it;
1. unlimited protein and still get contest shredded
2. Ephedrine if and only if taken the sufficient amount will give you the same energy levels in the gym on a no carb diet as if you where eating carbs.
3. No carb diet will make you lose fat until there is no fat left to lose no matter where you start from, even if you have 100lb to lose, it doesn't matter, no plateaus, weight will come off every day no matter what until your shredded.
4. ECA will raise metabolism, burn fat, give you energy, strength and alertness, and suppress your hunger.
Conclusion; take ECA as a stimulant only pre-workout for the first 5 weeks, take ECA as a fat burner and appetites suppressor from week six and on and still also take it as a stimulant. Gradually increase Ephedrine and caffeine as you go, fastest way to get shredded no carb diet and ECA, there is no faster way.
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This is 7 weeks apart and nearly 30lb difference
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Hey man, thanks for taking the time to explain how you dose the supplement. I don't know how you came up with that method but the results speak for themselves.
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well clen does it like eca quite frankly.
DNP, no comparison. In a week I can shed 2-4% bf (no exaggeration). Just every last time i ran it i got an allergic reaction and ketotifen wasn't helping.. it left marks on the skin so I am staying away from it for that reason alone... the rash reaction. It's hard to go through but after you will love the results.
There is nothing that can compare to DNP...
Isn't it against your religion?
Anyway, what are the doses of ECA you recommend.
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Great post OTH.
Which brand do you prefer for your Ephedrine? I think i know based on the 8mg strength, but i'm curious.
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So you are on keto diet? So high protein and high fat? Then gradually decrease fat?
What about cardio? Or just lifting? How low on calories do you go? I am no longer natty obviously so I am curious of giving this a try. I lost 30lbs on 3 months of ECA... but tons of muscle as i was natty... i did keto and i went as low as 1200 cals... i was getting advice from ppl who were non natty obviously lol...
Do you have carb refeed days? I stupidly listened to people who told me not to eat carbs what so ever, until all done. I think that was a bad move indeed.
This was like 3+ years ago or so. Haven't done keto or ECA since. Only used ephedrine and caffeine for stimuli pre and intra workout.
The 80mg aspirin is the baby one right?
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i prefer eca over everything else me self..... add to the fact it adds rocket fuel to your workouts and makes you skip to work in the morning...
altho i will stand by the fact you can get peeled on no burners at all.......
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Great post OTH.
Which brand do you prefer for your Ephedrine? I think i know based on the 8mg strength, but i'm curious.
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I get a brand named SYNERGENEX, it's a black bottle, they are 4-6 dollars a bottle, 50 in a bottle and 8mg each, I think 8 mg is the best route, easy to control..
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Hey man, thanks for taking the time to explain how you dose the supplement. I don't know how you came up with that method but the results speak for themselves.
I actually experimented for years and then I realized what made the most sense, standard protocol of 3 times a day is a very bad way as your body adapts very quickly and you have to have some sort of extra boost for the workouts, so by taking for workouts only for the first half of the diet was a no brainer, also the first half of the diet is the easiest, the second half is when you start breaking mentally so by adding small amounts in the morning and mid-day you have reinforcement for your diet, works out perfectly.
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reply to my pm bro :)
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reply to my pm bro :)
bro I just posted those 2, I am working on your reply but it's a long one :D
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I get a brand named SYNERGENEX, it's a black bottle, they are 4-6 dollars a bottle, 50 in a bottle and 8mg each, I think 8 mg is the best route, easy to control..
Thanks, that's the brand i've used in the past.
Maybe i'll try it again in a lower dose.
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1.So you are on keto diet? 2.So high protein and high fat? 3.Then gradually decrease fat?
4.What about cardio? Or just lifting? 5.How low on calories do you go? I am no longer natty obviously so I am curious of giving this a try. I lost 30lbs on 3 months of ECA... but tons of muscle as i was natty... i did keto and i went as low as 1200 cals... i was getting advice from ppl who were non natty obviously lol...
6.Do you have carb refeed days? I stupidly listened to people who told me not to eat carbs what so ever, until all done. I think that was a bad move indeed.
This was like 3+ years ago or so. Haven't done keto or ECA since. Only used ephedrine and caffeine for stimuli pre and intra workout.
7.The 80mg aspirin is the baby one right?
1. Sort of a keto diet, but unlike keto I do not take in high amounts of fats, on a keto people rely on the fat intake for energy, in my case my ECA fuels my workouts comfortably and I slug it out through out the day but after a couple of weeks your body is burning it's own fuel rapidly and you are no longer sluggish.
2. High protein is a must and low fats, like 30-50 grams of fats at most, I eat as much protein as I want, unlimited amounts basically, however the protein can not contain any other macro- nutrients, example-- Chicken breast, egg whites, tilapia fish, cod etc. of these "protein only" foods you can eat as much as you want and still get shredded, but let's face it, it would be nearly impossible to eat a lot of these types of food, your body won't feel like it, so your own body puts a limit to it.
3. I don't decrease fats cause I take less then 50 grams to begin with, my other calories come from protein and although it is a no carb diet I still eat most greens such as broccoli, asparagus, and Romaine lettuce. Most bodybuilders on a ''no carb'' diet do not consider these type of vegetables carbs cause they do not convert to fat,
4. Cardio is up to you. If you have an office job cardio is a must, but if you have a laborious job then I would start cardio at the second half of your diet, for example--- if you start 12 week diet plan, start cardio at week 7. I never recommend someone starts a diet and cardio at the same time, to much of a change usually ends up in someone giving up so I would start my diet then 2 weeks later start cardio at 30 minute -3-4 times per weeks then add 10 min every week til I hit 1 hour, then the following weeks after that add 1 day per week, should look like this;
week 1 dieting cardio
week 2 ---------------------no cardio
week 3 ---------------------3-4 time 30 min
week 4 ---------------------3-4 time 40 min
week 5 ---------------------3-4 time 50 min
week 6 ---------------------3-4 time 1 hour
week 7 ---------------------4-5 time 1 hour
week 8 ---------------------5-6 time 1 hour
week 9 ---------------------6-7 time 1 hour
week 10-------------------- 7 time 1hour
The ^^^ above is for the average person, if you feel you can go harder start your cardio at an hour right of the bat but on no carbs it is very hard.
5. My favorite question and when I prep someone for contest as soon as I tell them this they almost faint :D ..... "I don't count calories"
I simply eat a lot of protein periodically through out the day, I have 1 serving of green vegetable with every meal and that is all there is to it, you will lose fat every day. The calories from the greens will not harm you and there really is not many total calories there anyway. Now this will surprise you. I will give you a little tip--- 1 gram of chicken breast = 1 calorie at most. So for you to consume 1000 calories you need to eat 1000 grams of chicken breast and that is extremely hard to do in one day. So say you eat 1000 grams of chicken and 6 servings of greens and you eat 30 grams of fat, all this adds up to less then 1700 calories and that is a typical day for me when I start dieting and I start at 250 pounds, so trust me you will lose by using these methods, unlimited protein (cause you can not eat that much of it anyway) 1 serving of vegetables per meal and 30 grams of fat, give or take. Calories are never counted when I follow my rules and every week I drop following these guidelines, all my people never count calories and as long as I guide them weekly they come in peeled and get leaner every week.
6. Now the magic question, when to carb load?. Usually I go no carbs for as long as I can, anywhere from 6-10 days usually. So basically when you are going crazy and can not take it anymore then carb load. The typical carb load is 300 grams of carbs and I don't car where they come from, even sugar, it does not matter cause they will never get the opportunity to get stored, your body is so depleted at this point that you will be a furnace as soon as the go down into your stomach. For me it usually is a huge plate of rice in an early meal, then some potatoes and then some ice cream cause ice cream is very low calories for junk food, as long as I don't past the 300 grams of carbs that day. Then the next day I do an extra 30 minutes of cardio for the guilt to go away :D ... then it is back to the trenches for 6-10 days
7. Yes the Aspirin is the baby one, it helps with the jitters, but I only take for the pre-workout ECA
^^^ This method could NOT be done without the use of gear
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reply to my pm bro :)
Oh sorry I thought you meant your post,... was the pm to overload, I thought you meant to me, my bad,
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There should be a live chat, long ass messages are teh gay, do you have msn? I don't have Facebook. Valuable replies you gave, respect. I got some things to say/and a few more Qs but this delayed back and forth is slow :D
I feel like giving this a try and cutting for 3 months like so. Kind of makes me think of how when I was fasting you get used to the low cals and don't feel as crap afterwards and you end up burning lots of fat and start feeling good while fasting, especially with the lowered carbs.
And believe it or not I get 1kg of grilled chicken ED so protein shouldn't be a problem. Spread out throughout the day. I prefer eating whole meals rather than shakes. My carbs come from brown rice per each meal 200g to 300g (300g is the upper limit where i wana gain weight, right now eating 250g). Greens come from sliced up parcley+tomato+onion with squeezed lemon and vinegar.
And yeah like I said last time i tried this... it was when i was natty, similar advice but keto (high fats) and i lost tons of weight... but... tons of muscle :-/ Didn't get quite ripped but super lean. Now that I am on tren this should be interesting. I'd like to tell you how I eat/train/schedule/etc... and reshuffle this to try a cut like so :)
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lol shit, there should be a live chat, long ass messages are teh gay, do you have msn? I don't have Facebook. Valuable reply I got some things to say/and a few more Qs but this delayed back and forth is slow :D
I feel like giving this a try and cutting for 3 months like so. Kind of makes me think of how when I was fasting you get used to the low cals and don't feel as crap afterwards and you end up burning lots of fat and start feeling good while fasting, especially with the lowered carbs.
And believe it or not I get 1kg of grilled chicken ED so protein shouldn't be a problem. Spread out throughout the day. I prefer eating whole meals rather than shakes.
And yeah like I said last time i tried this... it was when i was natty, similar advice but keto (high fats) and i lost tons of weight... but... tons of muscle :-/ Didn't get quite ripped but super lean. Now that I am on tren this should be interesting. I'd like to tell you how I eat/train/schedule/etc... and reshuffle this to try a cut like so :)
Do it, what's 12 weeks right? and you are used to fasting, should be easy for you.
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Right now I am eating like this. I eat whole foods, no shakes. I stopped for a while shakes although I love monster mass (good single serving is 50g protein, 70g carbs some fats around 600cals).
4x main whole meals which each consist of every day:
-250g grilled chicken breast foreman style electric grill.
-250g-300g cooked brown rice (uncooked is less i always get screwd calcing this lol)
-Salad consisting of sliced up parsley+tomato+onion+vinegar+squeezed lemon
I MAY snack on something somewhere in between like a banana or two. Maybe two peanutbutter or almond butter sandwichs
Afterworkout I'll eat x2 tuna, whole wheat pita, sugary juice and/or maybe a peanutbutter/almond butter sandwich.
I take 5g creatine, 10g fishoil, multi. That's about it.
Should I started gradually dropping the brown rice and throw in the ephedra morning and pre workout. Say drop to 200g.
How do you eat post workout? I guess pre you do not eat any carbs/much of anything and do 32g ephedrine 200g caffeine
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reply to my pm bro :)
I think you sent it to me by mistake. The PM seems to be addressing OTH.
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Forward to me haha
Since my rotator cuff is screwed I have been thwarted to train too hard to gain... totally sucks... I was hoping more so as such for a recomp/slow bulk to happen... but then maybe it'd be interesting instead to do the cycle from here on more towards a cut/recomp. If I do this I reckon the body will be primed to gain afterwards anyway which should help with a bulk.
Is your cardio on an empty stomach first thing or post workout or just random time of day?
Do you do high incline 12* slow jog for an hour or is it hiit 1min fast, 1min slow, 1min fast, for a whole hour? I am going to guess its a slow steady jog for an hour? I work in an office environment so yeah Ii will have to throw it in no doubt...
I appreciate all the experience/knowledge you've shared. Excellent thread.
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I think you sent it to me by mistake. The PM seems to be addressing OTH.
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lol, ya i didn' get a PM ???
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OK, I think you are eating to much carbs at the moment to lose fat, but gradually cut down your carbs and try and eat vegetables in every meal, your protein is fine at the moment, remember keep it high. Start the ephedrine very low and adjust accordingly.
Once you are on completely no carbs then it does not matter when you do cardio cause you will be burning fat no matter what, remember people do cardio on an empty stomach so they burn their fat instead of their carbs but you have no carbs to burn anyway so no matter when you do your cardio you will be burning fat even at night.
I usually run once a week cause I love running but on the other days I do eliptical so my knees are fresh for my heavy squats. What you wrote is fine though.
Now one more thing about no carbs. People think when they are on no carbs they lose a lot of muscle, but the truth is you do not lose any muscle, you may feel that you do cause your muscles are deflated and flat but as soon as the carb meals come in they fill out like crazy. So it is not that you lose muscle it is just that your muscle are not filled with glycogen which make you look way bigger.
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Alright so here it is :)
Yesterday my first meal i had 300g rice however, for the rest of the day i only ate about 500mg! Didn't eat what i made. Majority I ate about 1.5hr pre gym. 40 minute before gym I took 260mg caffeine (c4 extreme preworkout 2 scoops) and 32mg ephedrine on empty stomach.
I did it all and since i took 3 days off i actually threw in extra reps and 5lbs up on a few things.
Post workout I had one tuna and monster mass one serving. I figure working heavy I should still eat after descently, for now. Monster mass cals are pretty clean so only had 70g carbs post workout. Instead of how i would drink juice, peanutbutter/almond butter, etc...
This morning just now came back I was on treadmill for 40min (oh hell is it boring). I will do 3 times this week. I had 8mg ephedrine, 200mg caffeine and a bit of yohimbine (powder lol i have a tiny scoop no idea how much). I have more ephedrine and yohimbine pills on the way though.
About to have first meal will be 200g lean beef and 200g brown rice. Rest of day will be same 250g chicken 200g rice.
Tonight I am squatting and deadlifting, mostly back work. This is a tough workout, will see how I fare.
Oh and I realized I sent that PM earlier to overlord lol not you. I will resend but it pretty much is what i posed on here too.
I threw in 40mg var (split throughout day) yesterday and today. I have var, dbol and adrol on hand. The var I got mostly in hopes of helping my rotator heal just a few days ago.
15g creatine on var is a good idea I reckon since it helps absorption of creatine.
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Onetimehard,
can you share what kind of gear/dosages were you running on that 7 week transformation pics?
any gh/slin?
impressive results! thank you for sharing :D
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well last night after last meal an hour later i took 32mg of ephedrine and 260mg of caffeine as with preworkout. Pinned 100mcg ipa/mod/
I mix 5g creatine, x2 c4 extreme preworkout (260mg caffeine), 5mg citruline malate.
It was HARD but i pulled off every rep and a few extra.. after squats I had to add 8mg ephedrine so total of 40mg. 2 hours straight empty stomach lol... animal! I had no pumps already looking flat but all strength there.
Came home pinned 100mcg ipa/mod had 1 serving monster + 1 scoop extra... 2 tunas.... woke up for morning prayer legs buuuurning and ate another tuna.
Woke up really fresh (i bet the GH release was INSANE).
KILLED IT!... Just ran 18minutes.. couldnt do more... 200mg caffeine, 8mg ephedrine some yohimbine... tonight will train arms and abs.
About to have 200g lean beef and 200g brown rice + salad... maybe will have another tuna too.
Dropped weight already but i bet its glycogen depletion and water. Looking flat but let us see how the ride goes.
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Oh and my feet are cold in the morning. Thyroid going down the pooper from sudden reduction in carbs?
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i use bronkaid from cvs. they take down your drivers license becuase its a pseudo-methamphetamine
i must be a hyper responder because i pop HALF a pill in the morning and i am jittery, aggrevated, and consumed be an overall feeling of stress and anxiousness.
cardio helps wear me out and actually reduces these symptoms
but ephedrine raises my bp pretty high and i cant do squats if i take to much bc i feel short of breath and like i am going to pass out
i think its great stuff because it keeps me going and after i eat my protein first in a meal i am not hungry enough to finish my carbs.
i definitely helps control my appetite too
i dont take it on weekends bc i dont want to look like a jaw grinding tweaker when i meet girls out
i am not a fan of no carbs, i have to have carbs to lift, no matter how much ephedrine.
use bronkaid its the real deal
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Came in shredded. Nice one, I have to agree. ECA is king.
I've ran a 10 day cycle of 500 mg crystal DNP, I've ran a few T3 cycles in abusive doses up to 300-400 mcg ed for 7 days. Both yielded great results but came with side effects from hell and pretty bad rebounds. You have to eat like a bird comming off these types of cycles to maintain the weight loss.
I have never used clen, but I don't like the idea of putting more stress on the heart, we already use enough AAS and eat a ton of food.
I agree ephedra is the safest out of them all. The least side effects. And as you said, great workouts, energy in the gym, alertness, appetite suppresent.., helps shuttle fat to be burned, what more can you ask for. AND SO CHEAP!
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what Onetimehard wrote are completely right.
recently i had done 500mg dnp 14 days course. after 4 days later suddenly i developed severe frozen shoulder wtf :-X
couldnt move arm...
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Onetimehard,
can you share what kind of gear/dosages were you running on that 7 week transformation pics?
any gh/slin?
impressive results! thank you for sharing :D
Must have missed this post, sorry bro,.. I was on prop, eq, tren and anavar I believe. No gh or siln in those pics.
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does ECA raise your blood-pressure??
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does ECA raise your blood-pressure??
Simple answer YES, however if used as I described you should not have a problem with this, here is why.
Nothing on the planet drops your blood pressure faster then a no carb diet, even a low carb diet will reduce your blood-pressure so although ECA, actually just Caffeine and ephedrine not Aspirin, will raise your blood pressure you should still be in a reduced blood pressure state from the low carb diet. Also you are exercising and getting rid of fat, all of which contributes to lower blood pressure in the long run.
As for Aspirin from my experience it actually lowers blood pressure noticeably. HTH
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Btw ontimehard, i have slowed down on the cardio and just maintaining a bit trying to gain a few pounds of meat back then im gona get back into hitting the cardio hard again. Gradual recomp is going well thank God.
Btw, you still didn't send me your other work out logs :)
Also your back workout, its true, doing deadlift each time is hell with that volume, but i was thinking, especially how volomuinous your leg work out is! How about heavy rack pulls, that should be a good substitution.
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Btw ontimehard, i have slowed down on the cardio and just maintaining a bit trying to gain a few pounds of meat back then im gona get back into hitting the cardio hard again. Gradual recomp is going well thank God.
Btw, you still didn't send me your other work out logs :)
Also your back workout, its true, doing deadlift each time is hell with that volume, but i was thinking, especially how volomuinous your leg work out is! How about heavy rack pulls, that should be a good substitution.
Ya bro Christmas and everything has drained me, can barely get in a few posts here and there but I have chest workout, a shoulder workout and arm workout already written out so I will type them up for you tomorrow. Yes bro get back with the drive and kicked it into high gear in the new years, I know you want to. Maybe drop a little more carbs for a couple weeks see how that goes. And yes heavy rack pulls are a good substitude but remember only your last and heaviest set to failure, the other sets leading up to it are just preparing and gorging the muscle with blood and then go for the kill on the final set cause deads or rack pulls take a lot out of you.
Speaking of deadlifts just got back to the gym hit 11 reps with 5 plates
went like this;
1 plates X 20 not to failure
2 plates x 20 not to failure
3 plates x 15 not to failure
4 plates x 10 not to failure
5 plates x 11 to failure
The first four left a lot in the tank and on the 5th I gave it my all, I almost died, felt like shit for 10 minutes after this set but pulled it off (no pun intended).
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lol nice, that's some good deadlifting :) 5 for 11 reps is some crazy good stuff respect!
I did arms today, I got a routine I am hoping will help me grow, my arms are def lagging behind as i barely focused on them ... all the time only caring for squats/deads and back...
Somehow today i have pec/shoulder pain.. frickin hell.. but ive been doing pushups which seemed fine. Yesterday was shoulders and I felt weaker than usual on seated db shoulder presses i mighta pulled something urgh...
Tomorrow will hit legs hard then tuesday off since gym is closed. Going to gym now just to do some core stuff.
I need to get all my log papers together (all over the place) and make them digital then share some with you so you get an idea of what im doing.
I also need to buy new shoes, my shoes ive been using are... done... so loose/worn... moves around when even walking.. eh... i need those asics as were suggested!
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Had a kick ass core/abs session. No carbs only EC and t2 alpha (its an otc fat burner -- its good). Felt frickin awesome. Check your PM for some stuff ;)
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Simple answer YES, however if used as I described you should not have a problem with this, here is why.
Nothing on the planet drops your blood pressure faster then a no carb diet, even a low carb diet will reduce your blood-pressure so although ECA, actually just Caffeine and ephedrine not Aspirin, will raise your blood pressure you should still be in a reduced blood pressure state from the low carb diet. Also you are exercising and getting rid of fat, all of which contributes to lower blood pressure in the long run.
As for Aspirin from my experience it actually lowers blood pressure noticeably. HTH
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thanks for the response, in your opinion which is better bronkaid at 25mg ephedrine or the 8mg ephedrine, i have both at my house
not sure which one to take? and of course i have caffeine as well and i cant take aspirin, highly allergic to aspirin.
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thanks for the response, in your opinion which is better bronkaid at 25mg ephedrine or the 8mg ephedrine, i have both at my house
not sure which one to take? and of course i have caffeine as well and i cant take aspirin, highly allergic to aspirin.
No aspirin, no big deal. All Aspirin does is thins the blood which allows for a faster working stimulant, so say you take ECA 5 min before working out, without the Aspirin take 20 min before your workout. It also helps with the jitters (anxiety, anxiousness).
Bronkaid is bogus IMO and does very little overall in comparison to ephedrine, so definitely go with the 8mg of ephedrine.
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No aspirin, no big deal. All Aspirin does is thins the blood which allows for a faster working stimulant, so say you take ECA 5 min before working out, without the Aspirin take 20 min before your workout. It also helps with the jitters (anxiety, anxiousness).
Bronkaid is bogus IMO and does very little overall in comparison to ephedrine, so definitely go with the 8mg of ephedrine.
thanks man, i have alot of the 8mg tabs i ordered from canada, and i took them like 3 at a time and did not feel anything
when i take bronkaid i can definitly feel it so i was not sure which one was working and which one was not, but i will most
definitly go with the 8mg tabs i have....thanks again
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I get a huge boost with Bronkaid, it works.