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Im Australian, and the majority here arent religous, but that doesnt mean we're all as forward as Lee Priest or something.
I mean, everytime I read a interview for a pro, 9 times outta 10, they say "God this, God that"
Why? Is it because most Yanks are?
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Im Australian, and the majority here arent religous, but that doesnt mean we're all as forward as Lee Priest or something.
I mean, everytime I read a interview for a pro, 9 times outta 10, they say "God this, God that"
Why? Is it because most Yanks are?
Only the stupid Americans are religious.
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Im Australian, and the majority here arent religous, but that doesnt mean we're all as forward as Lee Priest or something.
I mean, everytime I read a interview for a pro, 9 times outta 10, they say "God this, God that"
Why? Is it because most Yanks are?
Its people in public in general (those with fame)
Assuming it is done subtle like, one can play both sides. You make it out like you believe in god but you dont' make a big deal out of it.
This appeases christians and it appeases the heathens.. as everybody gets what they want.
Case in point Kevin Smith.. fine purveyor of the movies "clerks", "mallrats" etc.
Says he believes in god and is christian, but also makes movies that most often revolve around cock and discussion about sticking cock in places. Brilliant.
(Its the same reason/technique when every time you see a musician in an interview they will always reference how much they love the town they are currently in, people swallow that up without question).
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As Flex Wheeler said, you're nothing without God. When you live for Him and do right by the Lord, nothing is impossible.
(http://www.jesus-passion.com/SacredHeartJesus2.jpg)
Believe that!
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Let's see, maybe that by being religous all the drugs they take won't kill them.
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Let's see, maybe that by being religous all the drugs they take won't kill them.
We have a winner!!!!! :)
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Im Australian, and the majority here arent religous, but that doesnt mean we're all as forward as Lee Priest or something.
I mean, everytime I read a interview for a pro, 9 times outta 10, they say "God this, God that"
Why? Is it because most Yanks are?
It's just all part of the two faced bullshit we, as Americans, love to fling at each other all day, every day. It's very much like drinking tea is with the Brits. The Brits love a good spot of tea and Americans love a hot cup of Bullshit.
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Pros are religious because the only way they'll ever be able to retire is if their prayers are answered and they win Mega Millions.
Special "Reality Check" Ed
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you'ld be religious too if you just had kidney failure.
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if you took all those illegal drugs you'd be religious too.
religious or loco
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Satan told me to take Anadrol!
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..i think most americans are religious.. or at least where i come from... do u have something against it?.. or are u just makin a statement
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pros feel guilt because of the things they do when young gay for pay drugs cheating on wife ie shawn etc etc
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Because they are human! Most atletes are religious!
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As Flex Wheeler said, you're nothing without God. When you live for Him and do right by the Lord, nothing is impossible.
(http://www.jesus-passion.com/SacredHeartJesus2.jpg)
Believe that!
So everyone who disagrees with your absurd worldview is "nothing"?
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Well if you are catholic than anything goes as long as you confess to some guy on sunday who just may well be a petifile junkie who likes to look at little boys online! I can just see it now...
Pro BB "...oh, pastor I come to thee today with many confessions..."
Pastor "...go ahead my son..."
Pro BB "...I bought 15 bottles of T400, 10 bottles of winny v, 852 tabs of T3, 2000 dbols, bought 5,000 cattle pellets, made a drug called tren, and have been shooting up everyday to put on size..."
Pastor "...go on son, go on..."
Pro BB "...well that's the good thing..."
Pastor "...what's the bad..."
Pro BB "...i also have been smoking meth non-stop, snorting blow better than your hoover sucks up the dirt on your carpet and have been nailing every hooker/tranny on venice blvd all week due to my enormous sex drive..."
Pastor "...are you asking for forgivness?..."
Pro BB "...yes..."
Pastor "...you are forgiven, please leave your donation in the basket after service and i'll see you next week!"
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brutal hypocrisy
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There are no athiests in the foxhole.
Do research before making ignorant claims.
www.atheistfoxholes.org
A site with THOUSANDS of currently serving members of the armed forces and HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS who served in past wars who are/were atheists.
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apollo are you religious?.. serious question
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Do research before making ignorant claims.
www.atheistfoxholes.org
A site with THOUSANDS of currently serving members of the armed forces and HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS who served in past wars who are/were atheists.
Are you saying they are stupid? I concur atheists need our help! Lets show them the light!
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Well if you are catholic than anything goes as long as you confess to some guy on sunday who just may well be a petifile junkie who likes to look at little boys online! I can just see it now...
Pro BB "...oh, pastor I come to thee today with many confessions..."
Pastor "...go ahead my son..."
Pro BB "...I bought 15 bottles of T400, 10 bottles of winny v, 852 tabs of T3, 2000 dbols, bought 5,000 cattle pellets, made a drug called tren, and have been shooting up everyday to put on size..."
Pastor "...go on son, go on..."
Pro BB "...well that's the good thing..."
Pastor "...what's the bad..."
Pro BB "...i also have been smoking meth non-stop, snorting blow better than your hoover sucks up the dirt on your carpet and have been nailing every hooker/tranny on venice blvd all week due to my enormous sex drive..."
Pastor "...are you asking for forgivness?..."
Pro BB "...yes..."
Pastor "...you are forgiven, please leave your donation in the basket after service and i'll see you next week!"
Doing Steroids isn't a Sin. And don't say "the body is a temple" because anabolics can be done safely. Drug use is only said to be a sin by the conservative right of America who say it to promote their failing laws.
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Im Australian, and the majority here arent religous, but that doesnt mean we're all as forward as Lee Priest or something.
I mean, everytime I read a interview for a pro, 9 times outta 10, they say "God this, God that"
Why? Is it because most Yanks are?
Because we were founded by Protestants not criminals. Ever heard of the Mayflower? Thanksgiving?
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Doing Steroids isn't a Sin. And don't say "the body is a temple" because anabolics can be done safely. Drug use is only said to be a sin by the conservative right of America who say it to promote their failing laws.
Interesting!
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Pat Tillman was an Atheist...
Just about everyone in America knows that Pat Tillman responded to the 9/11 terrorist attacks by walking away from a multi-million dollar contract in professional football to enlist in the Army Rangers, and that on April 22 he was shot dead in Afghanistan trying to rescue his comrades caught in an ambush. But how many Americans have heard reports that Tillman was non-religious?
Writing in the San Francisco Chronicle Gwen Knapp reports Richard Tillman, Pat's brother, taking offense at remarks that Pat Tillman was now with God: "Pat isn't with God. He's fucking dead. He wasn't religious. So thank you for your thoughts, but he's fucking dead."
http://www.valleyskeptic.com/atheist_foxhole.html
(http://www.valleyskeptic.com/foxhole.gif)
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I am a practising catholic but dont ram it down peoples throats.
i posted somethjing like this before and it was deleted and moved to the religious thread buffet.
haney was religious and i do believe it has summat to do with that. people admire and emmulate him, they try to follow him greatlyin all he does having won 8 olympias. he is a role model. coleman is similar. then again its mostly black pros who get on like that and a lot of black ppl r spiritual or religious in general. i dunno.
i dont think its something to go overboard about but i doubt it does ne one ne harm to have some sort of faith. if you believe someone is there helping and guidingf ya then you do a lot better. u feel safer and more determined.
just whjat i thnk
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Atheist in a foxwhole: "I got a loaded gun but it doesn't have fire unless somebody recharges it."
Christian in the same foxhole: "Pull your pants back up and lets get the hell out of here!"
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Technically it is because you are killing your body. One commandent strictly forbids killing so under that definition it is a sin. This definition is a Catholic interpretation, not a conservative political one that some claim. And you are right in the sense that drug "use" is not necessarily bad but because of drug "abuse" and its harmfull effects on the user and others, it must be outlawed. There is no way to define drug use and distinguish it from abuse, because each person's tolerance is different. Also, unlike measuring BAC in a field sobriety test, how would you ensure a cost effective way to measure the amount of drugs is a person's system at a given time. I digress but this is all fun to talk about.
Ok Jackass...
1.Anabolic steroids when used correctly don't "Kill" the body. They can actually be quite healthy for adult males.
2.Drug Prohibition is completly ineffective and infringes upon our civil liberties. Punishing the whole population because select individuals abuse drugs is UNAMERICAN.
3.Even people who want to abuse drugs have that right. It's THEIR body and THEIR personal choice. If I want to overdose on drugs I have the right to do so. The Govt has no right telling me what I can or can't put into my own body.
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Doing Steroids isn't a Sin. And don't say "the body is a temple" because anabolics can be done safely. Drug use is only said to be a sin by the conservative right of America who say it to promote their failing laws.
Obtaining an illegal substance is not illegal and breaking laws are not against what the bible teaches? Oh, let me guess, you are refering to those who take 1 i.u of growth a day along with 200mg/2wks test that the doctor gave them for HRT reasons ::) ::) ::). Give me a break bro! Im on getbig.com so you know whos side I am on when it comes to juice!
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Doing Steroids isn't a Sin. And don't say "the body is a temple" because anabolics can be done safely. Drug use is only said to be a sin by the conservative right of America who say it to promote their failing laws.
I guess that depends on how you define "sin." :) Definitely a violation of federal and state law to use them without a prescription.
Not sure you can say with certainty that anabolics can be abused safely. That is sort of an oxymoron. They don't work unless you take about 100 times the recommended dose (when administered with a prescription). Sounds pretty unsafe to me. Just because someone doesn't get sick, lose a kidney, become sterile, start lactating, etc. doesn't mean abuse of anabolics is "safe." We don't really have any studies on what steroid abuse does to the body, because you cannot give humans the massive amounts of drugs users take in a controlled environment.
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Obtaining an illegal substance is not illegal and breaking laws are not against what the bible teaches? Oh, let me guess, you are refering to those who take 1 i.u of growth a day along with 200mg/2wks test that the doctor gave them for HRT reasons ::) ::) ::). Give me a break bro! On on getbig.com so you know whos side I am on when it comes to juice!
It is actually written in the bible not to follow human laws but the laws God has passed down to us through Moses. Besides their is nothing righteous about our government.
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Obtaining an illegal substance is not illegal and breaking laws are not against what the bible teaches? Oh, let me guess, you are refering to those who take 1 i.u of growth a day along with 200mg/2wks test that the doctor gave them for HRT reasons ::) ::) ::). Give me a break bro! On on getbig.com so you know whos side I am on when it comes to juice!
Dumbass...According to the bible you should obey the laws of the BIBLE and not the "laws of man". Often the laws of man contradict the laws of the bible, So I guess breaking laws of man that involve breaking a law of the bible is sinning?
Sinning to avoid sinning... ::)
The bible never says "obey the laws in your country" or anything like that. Anabolic steroids being illegal is irrelevant. They shouldn't even be illegaly anyway! Tobacco kills over 300,000 a year in America and it's legal!
Considering using Anabolic steroids can BE DONE SAFELY I would say that the bible doesn't forbid it.
The bible doesn't forbid the use of ANY drugs. Only the conservative leaders of our country would convince you to believe that.
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Johnny that pic you got as your sig... well its creeping me out!
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Apollo....
Does it say in the bible that Priests/Pastors etc cannot look at little kids online?
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I guess that depends on how you define "sin." :) Definitely a violation of federal and state law to use them without a prescription.
Not sure you can say with certainty that anabolics can be abused safely. That is sort of an oxymoron. They don't work unless you take about 100 times the recommended dose (when administered with a prescription). Sounds pretty unsafe to me. Just because someone doesn't get sick, lose a kidney, become sterile, start lactating, etc. doesn't mean abuse of anabolics is "safe." We don't really have any studies on what steroid abuse does to the body, because you cannot give humans the massive amounts of drugs users take in a controlled environment.
Bzzt..Wrong!
Anabolic Steroids are used on sickly patients around the world at recommend doses and produce results.
We don't have any studies? This is also completly FALSE. Scientists can study those who are already doing anabolic steroids, Bodybuilders for instance and judge it that way.
Studies concluding High doses of anabolic steroids produce NO side effects.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8969015&dopt=Abstract
http://odin.dep.no/jd/norsk/dok/andre_dok/rapporter/012041-220005/hov008-bn.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=Display&DB=pubmed
In 1 year study anabolic steroid users...
Few clinically relevant changes in physiological parameters or laboratory measures were noted throughout the study.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12938869&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_DocSum
No studies eh?
::)
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Apollo....
Does it say in the bible that Priests/Pastors etc cannot look at little kids online?
The bible doesn't even say Grown men can't have sex with young children.
The bible was written around 2,000 years ago and reflect the coustoms of the culture by whom it was written.
It condones Slavery.
It condones Torture.
It condones Rape.
It condones murder(as long as its for god)
It condones prejudice against women.
Ect..ect
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The bible doesn't even say Grown men can't have sex with young children.
The bible was written around 2,000 years ago and reflect the coustoms of the culture by whom it was written.
It condones Slavery.
It condones Torture.
It condones Rape.
It condones murder(as long as its for god)
It condones prejudice against women.
Ect..ect
interesting!
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There are no athiests in the foxhole.
Bob, when you use blasphemy like this and take the Lord's name in vain, are you doing so in your capacity as athlete's rep, or just as a representative of Bodybuilding.com?
There are no athiests in the foxhole....this is patently false. There is even an organization called the Military Association of Atheistic Freethinkers that combats this bullshit claim. Do some research before you try to make claims about our character as atheists.
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Bzzt..Wrong!
Anabolic Steroids are used on sickly patients around the world at recommend doses and produce results.
We don't have any studies? This is also completly FALSE. Scientists can study those who are already doing anabolic steroids, Bodybuilders for instance and judge it that way.
Studies concluding High doses of anabolic steroids produce NO side effects.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8969015&dopt=Abstract
http://odin.dep.no/jd/norsk/dok/andre_dok/rapporter/012041-220005/hov008-bn.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=Display&DB=pubmed
In 1 year study anabolic steroid users...
Few clinically relevant changes in physiological parameters or laboratory measures were noted throughout the study.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12938869&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_DocSum
No studies eh?
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I said there are no studies showing the effects of steroid "abuse," not use. Here is a line from one of the links you posted: "Studies administering moderate doses of exogenous testosterone for contraceptive and clinical purposes reveal essentially no adverse effects on male sexual and aggressive behaviour. " That's the key difference. I know steroids and HGH have tremendous value when used properly. I'm talking about the massive amounts taken by athletes. That kind of abuse hasn't been and really can't be studied.
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Hmmm....do the words "self righteous" mean anything to you? How is getting high a civil liberty? I seem to remember you somewhere saying that you were French so how the f**k would you know what AMERICAN is. I am sorry that you have a hard on for anything conservative but laws are in place to protect people and I for one believe that any drug can be abused and that is why laws are in place. If some crack smoking piece of shit steals, takes life or is hurting society by his/her actions, then I want them off the streets. That is where the government comes into play. I think it pretty naive to say that drug users or abusers only hurt themselves. As far as steroids being healthy, I definitely don't equate them with other drugs however, drug abuse, which is what I was explicitly referring to kills the body which under most Christian doctrines falls under breaking one of the Ten Commandments. I'm sorry if you agree but I have attended Catholic school my whole life and have been brought up in that faith, so please don't challenge our beliefs simply because you don't agree with any religion. In closing, get off your high horse. Every post you make is full of a "know it all" sentiment that is stupid because frankly you don't know it all. If this is a meltdown then fine, but you sir are the real jackass.
good one!!!
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Hmmm....do the words "self righteous" mean anything to you? How is getting high a civil liberty? I seem to remember you somewhere saying that you were French so how the f**k would you know what AMERICAN is. I am sorry that you have a hard on for anything conservative but laws are in place to protect people and I for one believe that any drug can be abused and that is why laws are in place.
Hey jackass...Does "Life, Liberty and The Pursuit of Happiness" mean anything to you? If using drugs makes someone happy and it hurts no one else then they have that right.
And I'm German living in America moron..
If some crack smoking piece of shit steals, takes life or is hurting society by his/her actions, then I want them off the streets. That is where the government comes into play. I think it pretty naive to say that drug users or abusers only hurt themselves.
If that users comits a crime then we put him in Jail. But simply putting a substance into your own body should not be a crime in and of itself.
Punishing someone because they "might" comit a crime is even more unethical.
As far as steroids being healthy, I definitely don't equate them with other drugs however, drug abuse, which is what I was explicitly referring to kills the body which under most Christian doctrines falls under breaking one of the Ten Commandments. I'm sorry if you agree but I have attended Catholic school my whole life and have been brought up in that faith, so please don't challenge our beliefs simply because you don't agree with any religion. In closing, get off your high horse. Every post you make is full of a "know it all" sentiment that is stupid because frankly you don't know it all. If this is a meltdown then fine, but you sir are the real jackass.
The initial post was that Simply "USING" steroids would not be considered a sin in Christianity. I never said ABUSING them would not be a sin. Learn to read.
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Hmmm....do the words "self righteous" mean anything to you? How is getting high a civil liberty? I seem to remember you somewhere saying that you were French so how the f**k would you know what AMERICAN is. I am sorry that you have a hard on for anything conservative but laws are in place to protect people and I for one believe that any drug can be abused and that is why laws are in place. If some crack smoking piece of shit steals, takes life or is hurting society by his/her actions, then I want them off the streets. That is where the government comes into play. I think it pretty naive to say that drug users or abusers only hurt themselves. As far as steroids being healthy, I definitely don't equate them with other drugs however, drug abuse, which is what I was explicitly referring to kills the body which under most Christian doctrines falls under breaking one of the Ten Commandments. I'm sorry if you agree but I have attended Catholic school my whole life and have been brought up in that faith, so please don't challenge our beliefs simply because you don't agree with any religion. In closing, get off your high horse. Every post you make is full of a "know it all" sentiment that is stupid because frankly you don't know it all. If this is a meltdown then fine, but you sir are the real jackass.
Meltdown. If you don't want drug users to hurt anyone, are you saying alcohol should be illegal? Use your head. ::)
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I said there are no studies showing the effects of steroid "abuse," not use. Here is a line from one of the links you posted: "Studies administering moderate doses of exogenous testosterone for contraceptive and clinical purposes reveal essentially no adverse effects on male sexual and aggressive behaviour. " That's the key difference. I know steroids and HGH have tremendous value when used properly. I'm talking about the massive amounts taken by athletes. That kind of abuse hasn't been and really can't be studied.
You didn't read all of the studies.
The results provide the first long-term, prospective evaluation of the effects of AASs, when these drugs are administered in a naturalistic pattern of abuse.
I agree that use is perfectly safe in 99% of the cases. But even ABUSE with very high doses are safe in a good majority of the cases in healthy adult males when used correctly.
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Dumbass...According to the bible you should obey the laws of the BIBLE and not the "laws of man". Often the laws of man contradict the laws of the bible, So I guess breaking laws of man that involve breaking a law of the bible is sinning?
Sinning to avoid sinning... ::)[/qb]
Where in the world did you get this from?
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Meltdown. If you don't want drug users to hurt anyone, are you saying alcohol should be illegal? Use your head. ::)
Right.
These people say they support criminalizing dangerous addictive substances...Yet they don't support criminalizing Alcohol or Tobacco.
You criminalized Alcohol here in the 1930's and we know how successful that was!
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Right.
These people say they support criminalizing dangerous addictive substances...Yet they don't support criminalizing Alcohol or Tobacco.
You criminalized Alcohol here in the 1930's and we know how successful that was!
Why are they so unable to think consistently and logically? ???
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Where in the world did you get this from?
The laws in the bible often contradict the laws of man.
You can't obey both of them in such a case.
The bible makes it clear that you should obey IT and not the laws of man.
Exodus 20:3 states you should have no other "gods" before the one god. Meaning worship no one and nothing. Obey him and just him.
Isaiah 33:22 states God is the "lawgiver".
The bible makes it clear that when the "laws of man" interfere with the laws of God you should obey the "laws of God".
Insinuating that since Anabolic steroids are illegal under man's law they are illegal under "gods law" according to the Bible doesn't make any sense.
That would also mean that if sex before marrage is legal under mans law it's legal under "gods law" according to the bible. Or worshiping other Gods or working on sunday or disrespecting your parents..ect..ect.
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The real question is...if God is so good and righteous and such...why is he always found in jail? ;D ;)
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"Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance. It is a species of intemperance within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded."
-Abraham Lincoln
Speech, 18 Dec. 1840, to Illinois House of Representatives
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Are you suggesting that the current "war" on drugs is effective? Dude, full out legalization of drugs would be FAR safer for society. The "war" on drugs is what's causing all the danger! Prohibition doesn't work. I figured history taught us that already.
So why not just deal with the specific instances when drug users hurt others? How the hell does a guy doing a gram of coke one night at a party hurt you? ??? It's none of your damn business. For some reason we are allowed to eat shitty fast foods and get fat and this is ok ??? yet it's illegal to do drugs which are probably even LESS harmful than fast food? ???
I heard of a guy in the USA going to jail for seven years for having three grams of coke on him. Yeah, way to spend money fighting real criminals. ::)
Canada is WAY more lax with drug laws in USA. And guess what? We have WAY less drug problems. I wonder if there is a pattern. ::)
True. It's AMAZES me how people can claim we outlaw drugs because people would use them and cause our healthcare prices to go up..
Yet they fail to realize that the healthcare rates are going up BECAUSE OF PROBLEMS ASSOCIATED WITH OBESITY.
Eating 2lbs of food everyday at Mcdonalds is 100 times worse than smoking a marijuana a few times a week.
No one ever died from marijuana.
TENS OF THOUSANDS die every year in America from obesity related problems.
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I think this speaks for itself!!!
http://bbsnews.net/drug-deaths.html
Hmmm
(http://bbsnews.net/images/Deaths.jpg)
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The laws in the bible often contradict the laws of man.
You can't obey both of them in such a case.
The bible makes it clear that you should obey IT and not the laws of man.
Exodus 20:3 states you should have no other "gods" before the one god. Meaning worship no one and nothing. Obey him and just him.[/qb]
Exactly how does obeying a civil law equate to "worship"? Am I worshippping the god of traffic when I obey the speed limit?
Isaiah 33:22 states God is the "lawgiver".
The bible makes it clear that when the "laws of man" interfere with the laws of God you should obey the "laws of God".
Insinuating that since Anabolic steroids are illegal under man's law they are illegal under "gods law" according to the Bible doesn't make any sense.
That would also mean that if sex before marrage is legal under mans law it's legal under "gods law" according to the bible. Or worshiping other Gods or working on sunday or disrespecting your parents..ect..ect.
Something being legal does NOT automatically require that it be engaged. Prostitution is legal in Nevada (at least, in Vegas). Not participating in such doesn't mean that you are obeying God's law instead of man's laws.
What law in our nation involves mandatory participation, with the doing of such being contrary to God's law?
Working on the Sabbath? Hardly!! Notwithstanding the issue in and of itself, most businesses are closed on Sunday, and the majority of those that are open run reduced hours (i.e. malls, public transportation, some stores, etc).
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The real question is...if God is so good and righteous and such...why is he always found in jail? ;D ;)
Perhaps, it's because some inmates realize that, had they listened to a few of them commandments, at least the last six of them, they wouldn't have numbers on their backs......or be worried about a fellow inmate wanting to break the 7th commandment with them.
;D
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You didn't read all of the studies.
I agree that use is perfectly safe in 99% of the cases. But even ABUSE with very high doses are safe in a good majority of the cases in healthy adult males when used correctly.
I've never heard of that study, but it apparently involved 7 people who self administered the drugs outside of the presence of the evaluators. Not something I'd hang my hat on. That study does not show what the long term effects of abuse are. I'd like to know what happens to the typical 50 or 60 year old who abused steroids for 20 years. We don't have that information. Athletes who abuse anabolics are walking experiments; Frankensteins. I wouldn't feel comfortable at all saying the "majority" of abusers can abuse safely. That's probably an overstatement. Can't really be proved (except anecdotally maybe).
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True. It's AMAZES me how people can claim we outlaw drugs because people would use them and cause our healthcare prices to go up..
Yet they fail to realize that the healthcare rates are going up BECAUSE OF PROBLEMS ASSOCIATED WITH OBESITY.
Eating 2lbs of food everyday at Mcdonalds is 100 times worse than smoking a marijuana a few times a week.
No one ever died from marijuana.
TENS OF THOUSANDS die every year in America from obesity related problems.
Gluttony is sinful, also. However, it is legal, or at least, not illegal from a civil perspective.
But, again while gluttony is legal/not illegal, engaging in such is NOT MANDATED by civil law. Therefore, you have no case of obeying God's law vs. obeying man's laws, notwithstanding the fact that many of our civil laws have religious roots.
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Exactly how does obeying a civil law equate to "worship"? Am I worshippping the god of traffic when I obey the speed limit?
Something being legal does NOT automatically require that it be engaged. Prostitution is legal in Nevada (at least, in Vegas). Not participating in such doesn't mean that you are obeying God's law instead of man's laws.
What law in our nation involves mandatory participation, with the doing of such being contrary to God's law?
Working on the Sabbath? Hardly!! Notwithstanding the issue in and of itself, most businesses are closed on Sunday, and the majority of those that are open run reduced hours (i.e. malls, public transportation, some stores, etc).
Bible laws that go against current laws.
Exodus21:15 And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.
21:17 And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.
Leviticus
20:9 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.
20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
Deuteronomy
21:18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
21:19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
21:20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
21:21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
Romans
1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Bible comands you to kill Rebelous children,Kill people who cheat on their wives,Kill homosexuals..
Such things are illegal to do by mans law but are a sin NOT to do by gods law.
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I've never heard of that study, but it apparently involved 7 people who self administered the drugs outside of the presence of the evaluators. Not something I'd hang my hat on. That study does not show what the long term effects of abuse are. I'd like to know what happens to the typical 50 or 60 year old who abused steroids for 20 years. We don't have that information. Athletes who abuse anabolics are walking experiments; Frankensteins. I wouldn't feel comfortable at all saying the "majority" of abusers can abuse safely. That's probably an overstatement. Can't really be proved (except anecdotally maybe).
The users reported everything they used to the scientists.
Secondly you can get information about abusers for 20 years from BODYBUILDERS. Only a small fraction of bodybuilders died from steroid related problems in the past 30 years. Out of HUNDREDS of pro-bodybuilders who abuse steroids only a one or two dozen have died from steroid related problems. Which of couse might of been cuased by other things but were simply problems commonly associated with steroids by the MEDIA.
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Gluttony is sinful, also. However, it is legal, or at least, not illegal from a civil perspective.
But, again while gluttony is legal/not illegal, engaging in such is NOT MANDATED by civil law. Therefore, you have no case of obeying God's law vs. obeying man's laws, notwithstanding the fact that many of our civil laws have religious roots.
That post was just pointing out the hypocrisy of our current laws and how ineffective they really are.
Had nothing to do with the Bible.
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The users reported everything they used to the scientists.
Secondly you can get information about abusers for 20 years from BODYBUILDERS. Only a small fraction of bodybuilders died from steroid related problems in the past 30 years. Out of HUNDREDS of pro-bodybuilders who abuse steroids only a one or two dozen have died from steroid related problems. Which of couse might of been cuased by other things but were simply problems commonly associated with steroids by the MEDIA.
Where are you getting that information? I've heard of many bodybuilders and football players who develop all kinds of complications. Premature death isn't the only potential problem. Problems with the liver, kidney, heart, reproductive organs, etc. are all major concerns. And we don't always know whether steroid abuse contributes to an early death. For example, was Walter Payton's liver disease steroid related? His death was attributed to "liver failure," but what role did drugs play in his organ failure? Same with Reggie White. He had some kind of heart failure, but I'd be surprised if he didn't abuse anabolics for years. His death isn't officially steroid related. There are probably many more illnesses and deaths like this that aren't officially linked to steroids, but that may have developed because of steroid abuse. We'll never know. And I guess that's one of my main concerns: this is all conjecture. It's like Russian Roulette.
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This thread originally started out with asking why so many pro's are RELIGIOUS. Was that the intent of the question, or to ask why so many are CHRISTIANS bbers? There are/were several bb'ers of different faiths out there. I believe King is a Muslim is he not? Aren't there Jewish bber's also?
Yet it seems the criticism is of the Christian bber's, or Christianity itself.
And what REALLY is the problem with whether they are religious or not? Is it simply that they proclaim it on stage after a win? If so, what's wrong with that? It's HIS opinion of what got him there. It doesn't have to be yours. When you win, you could thank anyone, or noone if you want.
The drugs are an issue no doubt, and they may need to give an account for what they've done, but it's their deal.
I'm a Christian, and weightlifting is often a spiritual experience for me. My faith teaches me much about pressing on towards the goal, to not be lazy or idle, to work hard, to stretch myself beyond what I think I can do. Working out helps to put those principles into practice. Perhaps others think the same thing also.
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They need something to believe in, I imagine it's tough when you have to take inhuman amounts of illegal drugs and have schmoes fukk your ass all the time. They need inner strength from something.
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Bible laws that go against current laws.
Exodus21:15 And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.
21:17 And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.
Last time I checked, we had capital punishment enforcement for first-degree murder, as the smiting in this verse implies.
Cursing, in this instance, is WAAAAAAAAAY more than saying a few naughty four-letter words. It involved conduct and behavior that brought shame, misfortune, and dishonor on a family.
Bible comands you to kill Rebelous children,Kill people who cheat on their wives,Kill homosexuals.
Such things are illegal to do by mans law but are a sin NOT to do by gods law.
Until recently, we had laws on the books that made homosexuality and adultery illegal and punishable under the law. Granted, such were not capital offenses. But, they were consider illegal (and still considered immoral behavior). Furthermore, as it is in our society, such were to be tried and convicted in a court of law (i.e. the judges, mentioned in Exodus 21, where you got those verses), before sentencing of any kind was carried out.
As for the killing rebellious children bit, particularly in Deut. 21, the verse says nothing of the sort. Like many other readers, you have assumed that the offender (the rebellious son) is a child, largely because we live in a society where people believe that they are only subject to their parents' authority as kids.
Read again the rest of verse 20, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. That sounds more like an adult than a kid to me. In other words, this passage is not suggesting that the judges of Israel heave rocks at little Ezekiel, for his not eating his manna or picking up his G.I. Jehosephat action figures off the floor.
Men, even as adults, stayed with their parents and were under their authority, until they got married, espeically considering that the parents arranged the marriages in the first place.
Furthermore, where does it state that is a sin, for the judges not to inflict the maximum sentence for violators of such laws?
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The bible doesn't even say Grown men can't have sex with young children.
The bible was written around 2,000 years ago and reflect the coustoms of the culture by whom it was written.
It condones Slavery.
It condones Torture.
It condones Rape.
It condones murder(as long as its for god)
It condones prejudice against women.
Ect..ect
Bullshit! Go read the ten commendments again!
About grown men having sexual relations with children, it is written in the bible that men shall not engage in detestable sexual activities.
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My younger brother is in the Army and in Iraq as we type and he does not believe in any God and he serves proudly , you'd be suprised how many athetists are in the U.S . armed services .
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My younger brother is in the Army and in Iraq as we type and he does not believe in any God and he serves proudly , you'd be suprised how many athetists are in the U.S . armed services .
I know, but people still trot out the same bullshit ::) It gets really tiresome, like Ronnie Vs. Dorian debates ;D
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I know, but people still trot out the same bullshit ::) It gets really tiresome, like Ronnie Vs. Dorian debates ;D
Nuclear Meltdown !! ;)
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Nuclear Meltdown !! ;)
Go back to England so you can suck on Dorian's toes >:(
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Go back to England so you can suck on Dorian's toes >:(
I'm American as applepie >:(
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It's really about one of the only things that turns me off. Listening/reading and interview and hearing that one of your favorite bodybuilders feels that he's doing what he does because he was called to it by God. God wants people to get all freaky huge by artificial means? Uh-huh... Lifting weights and bodybuilding for God. Delusional.
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I'm American as applepie >:(
Dutch?
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Bullshit! Go read the ten commendments again!
About grown men having sexual relations with children, it is written in the bible that men shall not engage in detestable sexual activities.
Which 10 commandments are you referring too? There are 2 sets..the first set was destroyed when Moses came down and saw the people worshiping the Golden Calf. The second set replaced it and had a few differences. And the original poster is correct. There are bible verses that clearly indicate for example God condoned slavery. God was alleged to have told Moses that if a man beats his male, or female servant to death, he would be punished, however if he beats his male or female slave to near death, and they are able to recover in a few days, then he would not be punished, for the slaves were the property of the owner.
It also talks in Deut that if a man rapes an unengaged virgin, he must pay the father of the rape victim 50 shekels of silver and must marry his rape victim and not divorce.
Also talks of God commanding Moses to slay the Midianites. Afterwhich Moses kills the captive women and children and gives the virgin female captives to his soldiers.
Mark Twain said "It's not the parts of the bible I don't understand that give me trouble, its the parts I DO understand"
I think this bumper sticker sums it up rather well "Definition of Athiest- Person who has actually read the bible"
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Mark Twain said "It's not the parts of the bible I don't understand that give me trouble, its the parts I DO understand"
::) That was very smart of him... and look at where he is now... hell!
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Because they know they're going to die soon or loose an organ. Usually, someone closer to dying becomes religious. After all, if you were hanging from a string and I said there's a .0001% chance there's a heaven, which is unfounded, pray and you'll go there. You figure, what the hell, I'll give it a shot.
Heaven/hell are places in childrens books. Grow up....haha
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Because we were founded by Protestants not criminals. Ever heard of the Mayflower? Thanksgiving?
the pilgrims landed in provincetown 1620 found indians growing corn in north truro moved to plymouth the following spring
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All the tobacco arguments are fucking retarded. Tobacco does not alter your state of mind. You cannot get high off tobacco. Yes you may die from use but use of that product does indeed only hurt yourself unless you make the argument of second hand smoke. As far as alcohol, it is not as dangerous as drugs in the sense that you cannot get hooked the first time drinking a shot whereas with meth or heroin, you can. I always hear the argument that people are doing harm to themselves but again I need to point out that because of the ABUSE of drugs, there have been universal laws put in place to police drugs. People don't steal and kill to buy tobacco, yet they do for drugs. SEE THE CONNECTION? There is inherent harm associated with drug use. Laws against alcohol are dealing with the potential and likely effects about actions after consumption. The war on drugs is failing because large cartels and drug lords get off. As someone who wants to go in law enforcement I fully admit that we as a country do not prosecute the "big fish" enough. They should not be allowed plea deals and should serve hard time because they are corrupting the community.
People kill and steal for drugs because they are illegal and can be sold or obtained at ridiculously inflated prices. The arguments about tobacco are perfectly reasonable. Tobacco does alter the state of mind, although not in a particularly dangerous way. People who use tobacco are harming themselves and tobacco is VERY addictive, surely you know that.
If people are permitted to harm themselves while using addictive substances such as tobacco, why is heroin or marijuana so different? Alcohol is more dangerous than illegal drugs because people use it more casually and on a larger scale. I am not against alcohol, mind you, but to say it is not dangerous is to ignore reality.
It is irrelevant if a drug is mind altering unless that alteration causes it to harm others. Just because you are high does not mean you will harm others, any more than being drunk does.
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I chew tobacco and smoke cigars, I do not feel they alter state of mind. Alcohol can be dangerous too, I fully agree and do think that you can use a drug and not abuse it. However, abusers give things a bad rap and the crime associated with the drug trade causes more violence because of its presence. Some good points though. Thanks for not making personal attacks and simply debating the issue.
I definitely agree with parts of what you are saying. The drug trade exists because drugs are illegal, just as it did during Prohibition. My problem is when drugs like marijuana and steroids are illegal, even though people on these drugs are less harmful than alcohol abusers. I think it really is unfair to put users of these drugs in the same place as people who harm others and steal. I would like to personally attack you, but I was hit with an attack of maturity. ;D
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Would somebody please post that naked picture of 240, so this entire thread gets deleted. Thank you.
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Bible laws that go against current laws.
Bible comands you to kill Rebelous children,Kill people who cheat on their wives,Kill homosexuals..
Such things are illegal to do by mans law but are a sin NOT to do by gods law.
You really need to stay out of Religious discussions at quit making an "idiot" of yourself!!
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You really need to stay out of Religious discussions at quit making an "idiot" of yourself!!
What did he say that was not correct?
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::) That was very smart of him... and look at where he is now... hell!
LOL!
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::) That was very smart of him... and look at where he is now... hell!
I just talked to God and he told me that Mark Twain is writing humorous novels about his stay in hell.
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Religion is man-made, and in many cases the writers used God to scare people into doing what they thought was right. Although I don't follow any religion, I do understand there's a higher power and I pray to God. God tells me to log onto getbig and lay down some serious ownage on you heathens.
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Religion is man-made, and in many cases the writers used God to scare people into doing what they thought was right. Although I don't follow any religion, I do understand there's a higher power and I pray to God. God tells me to log onto getbig and lay down some serious ownage on you heathens.
Does it really? ;D
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it's not only bodybuilders, it's athletes of all sports
most seem to be black
"just wait, God's not finished" - Fulblown
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Im Australian, and the majority here arent religous, but that doesnt mean we're all as forward as Lee Priest or something.
I mean, everytime I read a interview for a pro, 9 times outta 10, they say "God this, God that"
Why? Is it because most Yanks are?
9out of 10 pros are religious because 9 out of 10 people are the same.
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9out of 10 pros are religious because 9 out of 10 people are the same.
Im not religous and your saying i can go up to 9 other people and they will be. you must be from some southern hillbilly state because I dont see that happening
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Im not religous and your saying i can go up to 9 other people and they will be. you must be from some southern hillbilly state because I dont see that happening
If you consider the World population, the numbers would be closer to that effect, ie Muslims, 2billion around the world, If you went to the Middle east and walked up to 10 people you'll get a "yes". America is less religious today because of Capitalism, Science, and Free internet porn. I dont care for Capitalism nor science.
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Well, thanks just the same. I do agree that steroids should not be illegal but there are legal by prescription so it could be worse. I definitely think though that they should not be in the same category as other drugs. I think steroids are the least abused drugs out there but unfortunately we don't have better studies to support their use. It is amazing how far off topic we all got from religion.
But if tobacco is legal and known to be dangerous, why do we need studies on steroids? Propaganda and historical use are the difference, I guess.
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If you consider the World population, the numbers would be closer to that effect, ie Muslims, 2billion around the world, If you went to the Middle east and walked up to 10 people you'll get a "yes". America is less religious today because of Capitalism, Science, and Free internet porn. I dont care for Capitalism nor science.
ahh thanks for clarifing but I thought "most" pros were American
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ahh thanks for clarifing but I thought "most" pros were American
Monster ethnocentrism
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Jesus kicks ass.
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Yah what Lucious said techno tetris...ism..al?
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Jesus kicks ass.
I hope you're not being sarcastic, Jesus hates sarcasm >:(
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I hope you're not being sarcastic, Jesus hates sarcasm >:(
Please stop, your making me afraid of Jesus. :'(
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Please stop, your making me afraid of Jesus. :'(
Jesus looks down on the Earth with a sniper rifle, and only his love for us prevents him from pulling the trigger and killing us all >:( >:(
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ahh thanks for clarifing but I thought "most" pros were American
If im not mistaken here are a list of possible pros from other countries
Benny Burrito
Jim Jihad
Al Qaeda
Simon Sushi
Ismaeal ahmed jaheen muman cahlin dubin Smith
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I dont care for Capitalism
So what do you believe in? Socialism? If you busted your ass, day in and day out to build a business, you should make no more than some lazy POS that barley makes it to work???
I fvcking love Capitalism cause I bust my ass.
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Jesus looks down on the Earth with a sniper rifle, and only his love for us prevents him from pulling the trigger and killing us all >:( >:(
Really? I could've sworn it was a giant wiffle bat of love, with barbed wire of serenity tied to it, but a sniper rifles sounds almost as scary.
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I myself are not religous but must admit for a while there i thought i was either God or Jesus christ,,, only because every time i walked into the room prople would either say , " God who let him in " or "Jesus Christ who invited him " ??????
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So what do you believe in? Socialism? If you busted your ass, day in and day out to build a business, you should make no more than some lazy POS that barley makes it to work???
I fvcking love Capitalism cause I bust my ass.
Well, I dont bust my ass anymore and my passive income is double my monthly expenses, I'm 22 and retired, For your time and effort, If you should aquire assets that make money without you actively participating to produce its cashflow, So by building a bussiness you build a major liability, being that for the first few quaters if not years you not only have to work the bussiness but you have to find outside sources of income to support the bussiness. After that, when your bussiness actually starts to generate profit, you wont be able to pay yourself much, less you go back into the red, so in essence you work twice as hard than you would at a regular nine to five for no where near the same kind of cash. On top of that if its a sole proprietorship you stand the chance of losing all of your personal possesions should your bussiness faulter. If you incorporate you get taxed twice. You'd be better busting your ass for someone else, and aquire assets through leverage buying. I.e. rental property. keep buying assets until your passive income, profit from rent-mortgage, surpasses your expenses, ie food, your own mortgage, car payments etc. Then you can either retire on the spot, or keep working and acquire more and more assets, wich will make you more and more money. I love capitalism to a point, because I'm well off, however when i wasnt doing so well, capitalism eats you alive. Theres ups and downs, so im just giving some friendly advice to all you guys here, If you do shit right you can retire after 3 years of 2 full time jobs, and relentless searching for bargain assets.
P.S. In many socialist country, you can still own a bussiness. The taxes are like 25% but everyone has medical and everyone is elligible to go to college free. I think thats pretty cool, especially for struggling families.
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If it works for your country that is cool but I think too many lazy welfare abusers and illegal immigrants make things like is a void issue in America. I don't want my money going to able bodied people that simply choose not to work and if I am not mistaken, Marx said that everyone should work to benefit from society. If you do not make a contribution then you should not be rewarded.
I know what you're saying, but the power brokers in America do not *want* those people to work. By keeping a large segment of the population as dependents, they can ensure that the non-workers will never become a threat to them. For people in power, all that matters is staying in power.
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Well, I dont bust my ass anymore and my passive income is double my monthly expenses, I'm 22 and retired, For your time and effort, If you should aquire assets that make money without you actively participating to produce its cashflow, So by building a bussiness you build a major liability, being that for the first few quaters if not years you not only have to work the bussiness but you have to find outside sources of income to support the bussiness. After that, when your bussiness actually starts to generate profit, you wont be able to pay yourself much, less you go back into the red, so in essence you work twice as hard than you would at a regular nine to five for no where near the same kind of cash. On top of that if its a sole proprietorship you stand the chance of losing all of your personal possesions should your bussiness faulter. If you incorporate you get taxed twice. You'd be better busting your ass for someone else, and aquire assets through leverage buying. I.e. rental property. keep buying assets until your passive income, profit from rent-mortgage, surpasses your expenses, ie food, your own mortgage, car payments etc. Then you can either retire on the spot, or keep working and acquire more and more assets, wich will make you more and more money. I love capitalism to a point, because I'm well off, however when i wasnt doing so well, capitalism eats you alive. Theres ups and downs, so im just giving some friendly advice to all you guys here, If you do shit right you can retire after 3 years of 2 full time jobs, and relentless searching for bargain assets.
P.S. In many socialist country, you can still own a bussiness. The taxes are like 25% but everyone has medical and everyone is elligible to go to college free. I think thats pretty cool, especially for struggling families.
Ok, thanks for the advise but I still don't understand why you stated you hate capitalism? Hell, you're a capitalism poster boy.
I was in Sweden, which falls under one of those countries that has a working version of socialism. It works there because they have the mentality where it is expected that everyone "chips-in" and damn near everyone does. If someone isn't working, there is a real reason why they don’t, not just because they’re lazy. That system wouldn't work here considering we have way too many people with the mentality where they will do everything they can to get others to pay for them.
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Ok, thanks for the advise but I still don't understand why you stated you hate capitalism? Hell, you're a capitalism poster boy.
I was in Sweden, which falls under one of those countries that has a working version of socialism. It works there because they have the mentality where it is expected that everyone "chips-in" and damn near everyone does. If someone isn't working, there is a real reason why they don’t, not just because they’re lazy. That system wouldn't work here considering we have way too many people with the mentality where they will do everything they can to get others to pay for them.
I never said hate. I said dont care for, which is more neutral. Well, who cares about money, lol, this is get big, not get political.
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I never said hate. I said dont care for, which is more neutral. Well, who cares about money, lol, this is get big, not get political.
True, you did say "don't care for". My bust for misquoting you since there is a big difference.
And I care about money, it's what buys my protein, supplements, and gym membership. :)
I agree on not getting political, there are much more entertaining things to talk about.
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What did he say that was not correct?
Nothing in particular, it's just that everyone else is wrong and he's always right (sarcastic) ::)!
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Which 10 commandments are you referring too? There are 2 sets..the first set was destroyed when Moses came down and saw the people worshiping the Golden Calf. The second set replaced it and had a few differences. And the original poster is correct. There are bible verses that clearly indicate for example God condoned slavery. God was alleged to have told Moses that if a man beats his male, or female servant to death, he would be punished, however if he beats his male or female slave to near death, and they are able to recover in a few days, then he would not be punished, for the slaves were the property of the owner.
It also talks in Deut that if a man rapes an unengaged virgin, he must pay the father of the rape victim 50 shekels of silver and must marry his rape victim and not divorce. [/qb]
A woman who was raped in such a manner would have her marital "draft status", if you will, drop, because for some strange reason, guys like having virgins as wives.
Fifty shekels was the price for a brand-new blushing bride. And virtually nobody would pay that much for what would be perceived to be damaged goods. Therefore, the perpetrator responsible for such now has the responsibility of taking care of that woman.
As for engaged women who were raped, that's a whole different kettle of fish. The girl's family has been compensated for her loss (her fiance or that fiance's family has already coughed up the 50 shekels). And she has a man to take care of her, already. With those two logistical hurdles out of the way, there's no reason to keep the rapist alive. So, he gets his own personal rock concert, courtesy of the judges of Israel.
Also talks of God commanding Moses to slay the Midianites. Afterwhich Moses kills the captive women and children and gives the virgin female captives to his soldiers. [/qb]
They were at war with the Midianites. Furthermore, the Midianite women weren't exactly baking brownies and taking their kids to soccer practice. Israel was forbidden to intermarry with the Midianites, due to their pagan rituals, WHICH INCLUDED PERVERSE SEXUAL PRACTICES. The women were being used strategically by the Moabites, also at war with Israel, to fornicate with the men, the gist being that God would no longer protect the Israelites because of their sinful behavior with these women, leaving them vulnerable to attack.
Mark Twain said "It's not the parts of the bible I don't understand that give me trouble, its the parts I DO understand"
I think this bumper sticker sums it up rather well "Definition of Athiest- Person who has actually read the bible"
Perhaps that sticker should add the phrase....."but DOES NOT UNDERSTAND IT!!" at the end ;D .
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ahh thanks for clarifing but I thought "most" pros were American
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Ruhl,Gunter, Badell, Priest, Wood, Charles, Wolf, Dillet, Sarcev, Kallbach, Welling, Taylor,Yates, El Sonbaty, Hong, Stubbs etc...
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um, since when are porto ricans not american
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Im Australian, and the majority here arent religous, but that doesnt mean we're all as forward as Lee Priest or something.
I mean, everytime I read a interview for a pro, 9 times outta 10, they say "God this, God that"
Why? Is it because most Yanks are?
Because they pray all those drugs they take won't kill them... ;D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Every time you miss a workout you make baby Jesus cry.
:'(
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Nothing in particular, it's just that everyone else is wrong and he's always right (sarcastic) ::)!
Meltdown
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Meltdown
I knew that was coming :)
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I knew that was coming :)
It was inevitable ;D