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But you have to buy two which is perfect for me. Fifty grams of protein with just the right amount of fat and carbs. Actually, I don't really care about the fat and carbs and have no idea how much is in those burgers, just trying to make those "fitting your macros" guys happy.
Cheap, taste good, nutritious and filling. No need for fries or any other sides. Can't believe it was only a couple of days ago that I paid $1.75 for ONE McDouble.
More eating out and less cooking for me now.
America! Fuck Yeah!
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I still remember that long wonderful summer 15 years ago cheeseburgers were two for £1
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i remember a place 15 cent hamburgers when i was a kid, than when i was 16 a place had a deal 5 burgers for a buck,dem were the days.. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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But you have to buy two which is perfect for me. Fifty grams of protein with just the right amount of fat and carbs. Actually, I don't really care about the fat and carbs and have no idea how much is in those burgers, just trying to make those "fitting your macros" guys happy.
Cheap, taste good, nutritious and filling. No need for fries or any other sides. Can't believe it was only a couple of days ago that I paid $1.75 for ONE McDouble.
More eating out and less cooking for me now.
America! Fuck Yeah!
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Pure garbage.
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TA's alarm just went off. He'll be here shortly.
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Good luck with the Mcshits afterwards.
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But you have to buy two which is perfect for me. Fifty grams of protein with just the right amount of fat and carbs. Actually, I don't really care about the fat and carbs and have no idea how much is in those burgers, just trying to make those "fitting your macros" guys happy.
Cheap, taste good, nutritious and filling. No need for fries or any other sides. Can't believe it was only a couple of days ago that I paid $1.75 for ONE McDouble.
More eating out and less cooking for me now.
America! Fuck Yeah!
everything except the bolded part
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I will admit to enjoying a Burger King double Whopper with cheese occasionally. However, I never pretend it's health food.
BK >>> MCD
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I will admit to enjoying a Burger King double Whopper with cheese occasionally. However, I never pretend it's health food.
BK >>> MCD
Which makes you a perfect role model for all of the other dad bods out there.
Enjoy life and be healthy.
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Which makes you a perfect role model for all of the other dad bods out there.
Enjoy life and be healthy.
You are really doubling down on this taunt, aren't you? Thinking that your opinion is meaningful here might be a mistake.
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You are really doubling down on this taunt, aren't you? Thinking that your opinion is meaningful here might be a mistake.
I say it as a compliment. No need to get angry.
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Pure garbage.
pellius or the burger?
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One time back in high school (1983 or so) McDonalds had a thing for one day (V-Day maybe?), 10 cent burgers.
I bought 10... I ate 7 and took the other 3 home for later. Skinny twinks would be able to put on weight easily if that were the norm...
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Good luck with the Mcshits afterwards.
Maybe for your delicate little body but not me. Been eating and loving McDonalds for decades with no issues. Great American institution.
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everything except the bolded part
I've been getting blood work twice a year for decades. Never showed any nutritional deficiencies.
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Maybe for your delicate little body but not me. Been eating and loving McDonalds for decades with no issues. Great American institution.
I think I'm just sensitive to the grease. Though I'm used to eating real food every day so when I eat shitty food I really feel it. I eat a pound or more of hamburger a day with no problems though.
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This is extremely good news. Now only if the McRib comes back for Black History Month.
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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I think I'm just sensitive to the grease. Though I'm used to eating real food every day so when I eat shitty food I really feel it. I eat a pound or more of hamburger a day with no problems though.
What do you consider fake food as oppose to real food?
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What do you consider fake food as oppose to real food?
Probably processed protein bars and shakes.
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Probably processed protein bars and shakes.
How are the protein, carbs and fat not real? Does your body not process them and they just pass through like fiber giving zero energy and zero nutrient value?
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pellius or the burger?
Take your pick.
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What do you consider fake food as oppose to real food?
Fast food and other processed junk, would you consider chicken nuggets real food?
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I`ll be indulging and shitting my brains out afterwards.
Still,those fuckers taste good! :D
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It's meat, cheese, bread and some sauce....not exactly the worst foods in the world
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I've been getting blood work twice a year for decades. Never showed any nutritional deficiencies.
What about mental ones?
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But you have to buy two which is perfect for me. Fifty grams of protein with just the right amount of fat and cabs. Actually, I don't really care about the fat and cabs and have no idea how much is in those burgers, just trying to make those "fitting your macros" guys happy.
Cheap, taste good, nutritious and filling. No need for fries or any other sides. Can't believe it was only a couple of days ago that I paid $1.75 for ONE McDouble.
More eating out and less cooking for me now.
America! Fuck Yeah!
No real nutritional value in these things. Tasty, of course, cheap, no doubt. Fast and convenient yes sir. .... but they are fake and bad for you. All process foods, too much sodium simple cabs/sugar and saturated fats, the animals they use are filled with diseases and raised inhumanely. Their vegetables are non organic and filled with dangerous pesticides and toxins!!
That being said, I'm going to go pound some down with Wes!
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I love McDoubles!! They've been doing the 2for$2 for awhile now here. Good stuff.
I used to like BK better but seems like they've changed their flavoring. Kind of tasteless compared to McDonalds. Could be why they are continually going out of business where I live now.
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Seriously, perhaps a new Arnold would bring it back. Someone that charismatic and aestethic could turn it around. And make other good competitors come out of the woodworks...
But then I am disregarding the current trend which makes it impossible for an aeststhic body to win
McD's doesn't need arnold's help!!
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Fast food and other processed junk, would you consider chicken nuggets real food?
It is a remarkable coincidence that you should ask about chicken nuggets. I can't remember the last time I've ever had them but I can say easily over five years ago -- but probably more. It's just not my thing. And it's not because I don't like them. It's because I have to eat so much to get full that I'd rather buy some kind of burger than spend $10 to get enough chicken nuggets.
But last Sunday I was at the grocery store and saw they had them on sale for 3 pounds for only five bucks. It takes a couple of minutes in the microwave and it goes great with the Ranch Dressing and BBQ sauce I had on hand. I quickly became addicted to them and have been eating them everyday (including today's breakfast) for two of my three meals per day. I bought another bag a couple of days ago along with more Ranch and BBQ sauce.
Now, I just checked the bag and according to the macro nutrient profile it contains 14g of fat, 12g of carbs, and 9g of protein per serving (4 nuggets).
Since these chicken nuggets comprised 2/3 of my meals per day, and I don't feel hungry or malnourished and my strength in the gym has not changed, I have no reason to doubt the veracity with the macro nutrient profile as presented. Though I'm sure it varies somewhat by serving, I believe the protein content claimed is indeed recognize by my body as such and processed, broken down into amino acids, and assimilated like any other protein I ingest, be it whey protein or a slice of Talapia. Same processing procedure that is specific to the carbohydrate and fat content as with any other carb or fat.
So I don't think it is unreasonable to conclude that the contents of these nuggets do indeed contain real protein, real carbohydrates and real fat and therefore qualify as real food. After all, if it were fake protein, carbs and fats I'm sure I'd be feeling the adverse effects by now.
Cheap chicken nuggets and a buck for a McDouble -- happy days are here again.
And who says America is not a great country. Maybe not as great as in past years, but still great and still number one.
And McRibs are back! The gravy train never ends in this land of opportunity and prosperity.
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Love me some nutritious McDonalds sandwiches!
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If I ate one of them I'd be burping them up for a good 5-6 hours. Something not right about them. Don't have that problem at Wendy's.
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If I ate one of them I'd be burping them up for a good 5-6 hours. Something not right about them. Don't have that problem at Wendy's.
When you come from a family of nine you quickly learn not to become a picky and finicky eater and you develop a rather hardy and durable digestive system.
It always amazes me when I hear a parent ask their children what they want for dinner. The idea of any of us kids having any say whatsoever as to what would be served was just beyond our comprehension. I was visiting a friend at the MCBH (Marine Corp Base Hawaii) and we stopped by the Commissary. To me it was a luxury buffet serving items I could never make at home by myself or have the time and patience to cook like meatloaf, scallop potatoes, beef stroganoff, peach cobbler, corn bread, chicken casserole... I was feasting like a king. Meanwhile my friend was constantly complaining how bad everything was and how it made him sick and he mostly eats out.
It's all about perspective and how you grew up that determines how much of a picky eater you are and what you can handle. After we scraped every last fiber of meat off the turkey bones following Thanksgiving, my mom would boil the bones and then add rice and onions and it would make a stew that would last for another meal.
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You couldn't pay me to eat that shit. I'd be crying afterwards. I've built a fear for certain foods and McDonalds is at the top of my list.
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You couldn't pay me to eat that shit. I'd be crying afterwards. I've built a fear for certain foods and McDonalds is at the top of my list.
When Planet Nibiru hits and the race wars are in full swing and all hell breaks loose guys like you sitting in the corner crying and patting your sore tummy will be the first to go. My Hebrew brothers and myself will be holed up in our cave sucking your tear glands dry and feasting on your carcass along with a side of scorpions and roasted rats.
I was at Big City Dinner recently and saw this teenager make this sour face as he looked at his dinner, a dinner he didn't pay for, and said, "This looks so gross."
Americans are some of the most pampered, spoiled people in the world. I so wish I could force that kid to spend in a year in Sudan or Calcutta. After a year of eating dirt pies (literally pies made of dirt) or not eating at all we'll see how gross a Big City platter looks.
Taste just like chicken.
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I've been getting blood work twice a year for decades. Never showed any nutritional deficiencies.
What kind of blood work are you getting that tests for nutritional deficiencies?
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food
fo͞od/
noun
noun: food; plural noun: foods
any nutritious substance that people or animals eat or drink, or that plants absorb, in order to maintain life and growth.
I have no doubt that Chicken McNuggets have "food" contained in them, but the other crap in them plus the way they are manufactured keeps me away from them. Also, I recently had one and they tasted like shit. I do like their fries though.
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food
fo͞od/
noun
noun: food; plural noun: foods
any nutritious substance that people or animals eat or drink, or that plants absorb, in order to maintain life and growth.
I have no doubt that Chicken McNuggets have "food" contained in them, but the other crap in them plus the way they are manufactured keeps me away from them. Also, I recently had one and they tasted like shit. I do like their fries though.
Agreed. Only an idiot would say that we should eat this garbage because we are pampered and spoiled, and should just be happy to eat anything that is put on our plate. Dumbest logic ever.
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Looks like someone needs to watch the youtube vid on how them nuggets are made. Then tell me how much "real food" they contain or if you even want to eat them again.
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I laughed when I began to read this thread. Pellius tries to come off as a serious intellectual, and then he creates a thread being giddy about McDonald's having a sale on a cheeseburger ???
Pellius, they are fucking cheeseburgers and chicken nuggets. You must lead a very mundane life, if things like 2 for 1 burgers puts you into ecstasy.
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I see that the food morons are out in full force again, not knowing a fucking thing to what they are talking about.
Even when you educate them as I have many times, they still enter default mode and continue to spout the myths, lies and outright bullshit as fact.
Not sure what can be done. I even think if they were to visit every step of production, record it with video while taking notes, they would still flip the switch to their own made up version of nonsense.
Its strange really.
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I see that the food morons are out in full force again, not knowing a fucking thing to what they are talking about.
Even when you educate them as I have many times, they still enter default mode and continue to spout the myths, lies and outright bullshit as fact.
Not sure what can be done. I even think if they were to visit every step of production, record it with video while taking notes, they would still flip the switch to their own made up version of nonsense.
Its strange really.
Maybe some people just don't like the taste of McDonalds. :'( :'( ??? ???
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Maybe some people just don't like the taste of McDonalds. :'( :'( ??? ???
Which is totally fine, but to suggest that there is some mystery to their food or that it is not nutritious or that it is "unnatural" is just blatant stupidity.
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I heard there's gonna be 10% off Pabst Blue Ribbon.
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I get a craving for their junk once or twice a year. Last time was last week I was at work and missed my lunch. I was absolutely starving I stopped at McDonald's. I got a ten piece chicken nugget meal a double cheeseburger and mandm Mcflurry. Scarfed it all down in about ten minutes felt sick for the rest of the night lol. It was good but it makes me feel like shit after eating it.
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I see that the food morons are out in full force again, not knowing a fucking thing to what they are talking about.
Even when you educate them as I have many times, they still enter default mode and continue to spout the myths, lies and outright bullshit as fact.
Not sure what can be done. I even think if they were to visit every step of production, record it with video while taking notes, they would still flip the switch to their own made up version of nonsense.
Its strange really.
The smell of their meat is foul to me. Believe me I would love nothing more than to like their food It would be so much cheaper and easier to live.
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I get a craving for their junk once or twice a year. Last time was last week I was at work and missed my lunch. I was absolutely starving I stopped at McDonald's. I got a ten piece chicken nugget meal a double cheeseburger and mandm Mcflurry. Scarfed it all down in about ten minutes felt sick for the rest of the night lol. It was good but it makes me feel like shit after eating it.
Nocebo.
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I did have 4 of their hash browns during holiday travels.
One location's were absolutely horrible in Bumfuck, Arkansas; Pure Grease.
The other location's were delicious in Hometown, Texas.
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I did have 4 of their hash browns during holiday travels.
One location's were absolutely horrible in Bumfuck, Arkansas; Pure Grease.
The other location's were delicious in Hometown, Texas.
Impossible since all of their locactions turn out the exact same recipes with impeccable standards of quality.
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Who doesnt like a good big mac or 4 every once in a while?
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Who doesnt like a good big mac or 4 every once in a while?
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I don't like the taste of their burgers. If I am going to get a burger, I prefer "Shake Shack" or "Smash Burger."
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In the uk at least about 10 year ago McDonald's started to taste like utter shit,I think it was about the time they started taking all the unhealthy shit out and stopped the supersize to try and help the fat disgusting pigs with no self control who eat it every day and shit.
Greasy burgers from those roadside vans taste better than McDonald's these days
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I will admit to enjoying a Burger King double Whopper with cheese occasionally. However, I never pretend it's health food.
BK >>> MCD
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For a cheat day, sometimes I'll go to BK, but they have HORRIBLE lettuce- I LOVE the shredded lettuce!!!
BK here in Canada puts full lettuce leaves in the burgers which seem to be wilted and greasy, and they don't have any "crunch" factor!!
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What kind of blood work are you getting that tests for nutritional deficiencies?
Directly or indirectly related to diet (I'll leave out hormones even though this can be diet related as well):
Cholesterol
Triglycerides
Glucose
Sodium
Potassium
Cholride
Total Protein
Albumin
Vitamin D, 25-Hydroxy
Electrolytes (Na, K+, CI, C02)
Ferritin (iron)
Hemoglobin & Hemocrit
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food
fo͞od/
noun
noun: food; plural noun: foods
any nutritious substance that people or animals eat or drink, or that plants absorb, in order to maintain life and growth.
I have no doubt that Chicken McNuggets have "food" contained in them, but the other crap in them plus the way they are manufactured keeps me away from them. Also, I recently had one and they tasted like shit. I do like their fries though.
That's the point I was making. Someone mentioned that it's not real food. I don't know what that means.
And I think that there are many food that contain "crap" that you shouldn't and wouldn't want to consume. That's why you "dress/clean" fish and animals. Even the mangos that I recently had I discarded the skin and the seed.
Whether something taste good or not is a separate issue. I was addressing the fallacious argument that chicken nuggets and McDoubles don't have nutritional value.
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Agreed. Only an idiot would say that we should eat this garbage because we are pampered and spoiled, and should just be happy to eat anything that is put on our plate. Dumbest logic ever.
I said "We should eat this garbage"? Which I take to mean chicken nuggets and McDoubles, since that's what I was talking about. I was saying that I eat them until it morphed into how this is junk food.
Only and idiot believes that the body can distinguish between the three macro nutrients and knows if, say, a protein, is coming from a chicken nugget or a chicken breast. It matters to you because you are motivated by taste but your digestive system knows no taste.
BTW, how has your studious avoidance of "garbage" worked out you? You've already admitted that you don't want to post a pic because you are in such horrible shape. Would anybody look at you at the beach and pool and conclude that you're a guy who takes good care of himself?
And, yes, you should be happy and grateful for any food in front of you. That's why we people of faith always say grace to give thanks for our meal whether it's McDoubles or Filet Mignon.
But, of course you're above this kind of gratitude and appreciation for being so blessed. Just being born in this country, a luck of the draw that you did nothing to earn or deserve, puts you ahead of the vast majority of the world so you can turn up your nose at things others yearn for.
Yes, you are pampered and spoiled -- and soft. While most have to work real jobs to support themselves you seem to have found a life where you can spend virtually ALL of your walking hours on this board and reading bodybuilder's social media as well as screening and posting various bodybuilding vids.
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Looks like someone needs to watch the youtube vid on how them nuggets are made. Then tell me how much "real food" they contain or if you even want to eat them again.
I have. As I have watched how animals are butchered before taken to market. I have killed and cut open animals myself
What we, and other animals, have to do to get food is an issue with God. If it were up to me it would be a lot different. Everything would be a lot different?
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I laughed when I began to read this thread. Pellius tries to come off as a serious intellectual, and then he creates a thread being giddy about McDonald's having a sale on a cheeseburger ???
Pellius, they are fucking cheeseburgers and chicken nuggets. You must lead a very mundane life, if things like 2 for 1 burgers puts you into ecstasy.
You really don't get it about why people despise you so much? Your lack of self awareness is simply breathtaking.
You really didn't get the tongue and cheek nature of my post. That it implies I have a mundane life, which I do. But to translate that into "ecstasy".
Just like when you criticize my physique when you have without a doubt the most disgusting body ever publicly posted on this board, you try to make any comparison between our personal lives. A guy who fakes his own death. A guy who whines and bitches because he doesn't get to talk privately with other mods. A guy who has never had a serious relationship with a girl and is still a virgin. Has a nowhere job. Just can't seem to muster the will power to head to the gym just three times a week for a total of maybe four hours. A guy who needs alcohol to numb himself to the inner pain of his vapid and meaningless life.
Anyway, McRibs are back. I'm in "ecstasy".
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You really don't get it about why people despise you so much? Your lack of self awareness is simply breathtaking.
You really didn't get the tongue and cheek nature of my post. That it implies I have a mundane life, which I do. But to translate that into "ecstasy".
Just like when you criticize my physique when you have without a doubt the most disgusting body ever publicly posted on this board, you try to make any comparison between our personal lives. A guy who fakes his own death. A guy who whines and bitches because he doesn't get to talk privately with other mods. A guy who has never had a serious relationship with a girl and is still a virgin. Has a nowhere job. Just can't seem to muster the will power to head to the gym just three times a week for a total of maybe four hours. A guy who needs alcohol to numb himself to the inner pain of his vapid and meaningless life.
Anyway, McRibs are back. I'm in "ecstasy".
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pellius and ta destroying legions of morons in this thread
honestly mind boggling arguments here... 'real food' oh brother
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What about mental ones?
LMAO!!! ;D ;D
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The smell of their meat is foul to me. Believe me I would love nothing more than to like their food It would be so much cheaper and easier to live.
Which is why I like McDonald's so much. Just a great institution. Inexpensive food, served fast that most people like and in a clean environment. One of the things McDonald's doesn't get enough credit for is how clean and immaculate they keep their restaurants. Every MCDs I've been to has a full time person that is on constant patrol keeping the tables and bathrooms clean.
Last time I was eating in a McDonalds (around a month ago) I just marveled at the older lady just in constant motion wiping down the tables and seats and sweeping and moping and then off to hit the bathroom cleaning detail. Shitty job but I'm grateful someone does it.
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Which is why I like McDonald's so much. Just a great institution. Inexpensive food, served fast that most people like and in a clean environment. One of the things McDonald's doesn't get enough credit for is how clean and immaculate they keep their restaurants. Every MCDs I've been to has a full time person that is on constant patrol keeping the tables and bathrooms clean.
Last time I was eating in a McDonalds (around a month ago) I just marveled at the older lady just in constant motion wiping down the tables and seats and sweeping and moping and then off to hit the bathroom cleaning detail. Shitty job but I'm grateful someone does it.
I marvel at the things you marvel at.
Such an intellectual. Plato and Sophocles would be proud.
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You've been posting that same pic over and over and over again for years now. I don't know what it means other then you post it when you've just been owned and have no coherent comeback.
Shizzo, other than being on GB, what are you doing right now? Why don't you do to the gym and just do four exercise movements. A pushing movement, a pulling movement, body weight squats and situps. Just one set each. You'd be surprise at how many people I've turned into life long trainees just by starting out with that routing. You can say it's not going to turn you into what you want to achieve, that goal seems so, so far away, but it's better than nothing. This year is going to past like every other year whether you decide to do anything or not. You don't even have to go to a gym. Do some push ups, buy those rubber tubes and tie it under one of the legs of you couch and do rows, and you don't need anything for bw squats and situps.
Just do it. You will find that it will whet your appetite for more.
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You've been posting that same pic over and over and over again for years now. I don't know what it means other then you post it when you've just been owned and have no coherent comeback.
Shizzo, other than being on GB, what are you doing right now? Why don't you do to the gym and just do four exercise movements. A pushing movement, a pulling movement, body weight squats and situps. Just one set each. You'd be surprise at how many people I've turned into life long trainees just by starting out with that routing. You can say it's not going to turn you into what you want to achieve, that goal seems so, so far away, but it's better than nothing. This year is going to past like every other year whether you decide to do anything or not. You don't even have to go to a gym. Do some push ups, buy those rubber tubes and tie it under one of the legs of you couch and do rows, and you don't need anything for bw squats and situps.
Just do it. You will find that it will whet your appetite for more.
I don't know whether to feel motivated by your advice, or creeped out by your numerous sexual innuendos.
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I marvel at the things you marvel at.
Such an intellectual. Plato and Sophocles would be proud.
That's because you don't understand economics and business and how important it is in creating wealth, prosperity and quality of life. And just how difficult it is to build a business like McDonlads with footprints all over the world. The greatness of America is due in no small part to businesses like McDonalds.
What you don't understand is that when a business is successful and profitable (a bad world for the many liberals on this board) it doesn't mean that it's because they are exploiting and deceiving people. it means that they are providing a good and/or service that people want and are willing to pay for. It increases the quality of life for the consumer, the quality of life for the business owner, provides jobs and incomes and support families. The wealth, prosperity, and quality of our lives depends on successful businesses.
Companies like McDonald's and Walmart is more than just cheap burgers and flat screen TVs. It's how we built this country.
Of course anything can be abused but that is a separate issue. Would the quality of life and the wealth of the nation be better or worse if we got rid of McDonalds and all other fast food restaurants?
Have you ever thought of going to school part time and go beyond your high school education?
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I don't know whether to feel motivated by your advice, or creeped out by your numerous sexual innuendos.
Actually, I'm creeped out by you finding any sexual innuendos in my post. That comment came out of nowhere and says more about yourself and your state of mind.
You're wasting your life. The only difference in your life with each passing year is that you get fatter and older.
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Yes, they say that about everything. Everything will eventually cause cancer it seems. These warnings have become so ubiquitous as to have lost all meaning and nobody, including you, pays any attention to it.
But in the real world, the fact is people are living longer and healthier than ever before in human history.
If you don't like McDonald's don't go there. I didn't realize how many panties would get into a bunch because I'm glad to lowered the price of McDoubles.
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Seen a kid from my high school put down 10 McDonald's triple cheeseburgers when they were a dollar back in the late 90's.
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That's because you don't understand economics and business and how important it is in creating wealth, prosperity and quality of life. And just how difficult it is to build a business like McDonlads with footprints all over the world. The greatness of America is due in no small part to businesses like McDonalds.
What you don't understand is that when a business is successful and profitable (a bad world for the many liberals on this board) it doesn't mean that it's because they are exploiting and deceiving people. it means that they are providing a good and/or service that people want and are willing to pay for. It increases the quality of life for the consumer, the quality of life for the business owner, provides jobs and incomes and support families. The wealth, prosperity, and quality of our lives depends on successful businesses.
Companies like McDonald's and Walmart is more than just cheap burgers and flat screen TVs. It's how we built this country.
Of course anything can be abused but that is a separate issue. Would the quality of life and the wealth of the nation be better or worse if we got rid of McDonalds and all other fast food restaurants?
Have you ever thought of going to school part time and go beyond your high school education?
Is this a Scottish offshoot?
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Is this a Scottish offshoot?
That's the best you got?
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That's the best you got?
No, I have some legit kigs in the fridge, Jedi Elf.
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Fake food, lol. Too many guys on here still reading muscle mags it appears with the wealth of knowledge in their pages or listening to Michelle Obama's "health" crusades.
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haha, yes, the actual burger on the menu is a far cry from what they serve you.
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McCrap's "food" sucks total greasy asshole. I can eat burgers from any of the large chains, but when I consume something from Ronald's barf emporium, within two hours I'm blasting liquid mud outta my ass like a fiend.
Total gross.
It really doesn't even taste like real food.
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You know where all those loveable McCharacters have gone? I mean, they were once everything to the chains' marketing.
They're all long dead from dining on the McFood.
Now when I just look at the "Golden Arches" I feel the McShits coming on.
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haha, yes, the actual burger on the menu is a far cry from what they serve you.
best movie clip about this ever
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Which is why I like McDonald's so much. Just a great institution. Inexpensive food, served fast that most people like and in a clean environment. One of the things McDonald's doesn't get enough credit for is how clean and immaculate they keep their restaurants. Every MCDs I've been to has a full time person that is on constant patrol keeping the tables and bathrooms clean.
Last time I was eating in a McDonalds (around a month ago) I just marveled at the older lady just in constant motion wiping down the tables and seats and sweeping and moping and then off to hit the bathroom cleaning detail. Shitty job but I'm grateful someone does it.
Well Penislust, you better get your wash cloth, broom, and mop and head over to the McDonalds in Hilo, because it is as disgustingly filthy as a Shizzo goatse pic.
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Another sheep that buys into the propaganda on the net and media.
You don't think this hasn't been beaten to death and why McDonald's is still allowed to advertise their burgers as "made with 100% USDA-inspected beef. They are cooked and prepared with salt, pepper and nothing else; no preservatives, no fillers."
http://www.snopes.com/business/market/allbeef.asp
You don't like MCD don't go there. BTW, what kind of physical shape has your McDonald's free life style produced?
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No, I have some legit kigs in the fridge, Jedi Elf.
Sorry fatso, but your kigs are not legit.
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Well Penislust, you better get your wash cloth, broom, and mop and head over to the McDonalds in Hilo, because it is as disgustingly filthy as a Shizzo goatse pic.
Never been to the MCD in Hilo. Tell me which one exactly and I'll have a friend I know that lives there take some pics.
Been eating at MCD for over 45 years and never been in one that was filthy. Can't say the same about JIB and BK.
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McDonald's just doesn't taste good, as disgusted said.
If Ya want a greasy burger, get 5 guys. It's worlds better.
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I see no issue with McDonald's.
All of the people talking about how it's not "real food" or how it's this or that are fucking stupid.
Is it the best? No, but it's consistent. A Double Cheeseburger in Los Angeles tastes the same as a Double Cheeseburger in New York.
Same with Fries and an Egg McMuffin.
I never understood why people want to bring down some place because they don't like it.
Don't like it, don't go... No one holds a gun to anyone's head and says, "Eat that fuckin' Big Mac right now or I'll blow your damn head off."
Talk about whining over something you don't even care about.
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Never been to the MCD in Hilo. Tell me which one exactly and I'll have a friend I know that lives there take some pics.
Been eating at MCD for over 45 years and never been in one that was filthy. Can't say the same about JIB and BK.
The shithole in the shopping plaza off of Kanoelehua Avenue (Kekela Street)
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Another sheep that buys into the propaganda on the net and media.
You don't think this hasn't been beaten to death and why McDonald's is still allowed to advertise their burgers as "made with 100% USDA-inspected beef. They are cooked and prepared with salt, pepper and nothing else; no preservatives, no fillers."
http://www.snopes.com/business/market/allbeef.asp
You don't like MCD don't go there. BTW, what kind of physical shape has your McDonald's free life style produced?
McDonalds = Toxic Waste.
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Not a lot but every once in awhile McD'S is needed.
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I used to play in underground poker tournaments a few years back, and they would last about 6 hours straight (8 pm to 2 am)
I used to order 4 or 5 large French fries and pour them out into the large paper bag and use them to power through the tourney.
*Side note, the little packets of salt at McDonald's are amazing! they have a strange consistency and are perfect on, already salted, hot fries.
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Not a lot but every once in awhile McD'S is needed.
IF I am going to have fast food, I'd rather choose Wendys. In my opinion, their food has always tasted better when compared to other fast food joints. I actually prefer Chipotle over all the fast food joints (if one considers "Chipotle" fast food).
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http://theracketreport.com/law-forces-mcdonalds-to-post-warning-chemicals-known-to-cause-cancer-may-be-present-in-our-food/
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http://theracketreport.com/law-forces-mcdonalds-to-post-warning-chemicals-known-to-cause-cancer-may-be-present-in-our-food/
Sheesh.
Ok. Since no one really wants to know. I'll tell you anyway.
The truth is that prop 65 in California requires these notices and they are in TONS of restaurants. Not just McDonald's.
That's the truth.
They are at Chipotle. Wendy's. Burger King. Lots of places have this fucking sign.
It's not a McDonalds thing.
Here's the same fucking sign at Starbucks.
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Here's the sign at Disneyland.
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really surprised there have not been any sarcastic references in this threads to Mcdonalds Playland, Happy Meals, or the staff working the counter after school yet
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If they had not been exposed for using "pink slime" in their products, you can bet they would still be selling it.
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If they had not been exposed for using "pink slime" in their products, you can bet they would still be selling it.
So?
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So?
Id rather not have this in my food. Listen, its quite clear that all fast food places do underhanded stuff to their food or whatever. However, its the DEGREE to which they do it. Not all do it exactly the same. Some are worse, and some are better. Id rather not eat a burger made from whats below.
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Id rather not have this in my food. Listen, its quite clear that all fast food places do underhanded stuff to their food or whatever. However, its the DEGREE to which they do it. Not all do it exactly the same. Some are worse, and some are better. Id rather not eat a burger made from whats below.
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Those were chicken nuggets. Not burgers I think. (Could be wrong of course)
Who cares though? You smoke? Ever take drugs? Any? diet sodas? Regular sodas?
Everything has potential to kill you.
You'll lick a vagina or suck a dick (I don't know your orientation) and that's fine, but some sterile pink stuff.
Ewwww.
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Those were chicken nuggets. Not burgers I think. (Could be wrong of course)
Who cares though? You smoke? Ever take drugs? Any? diet sodas? Regular sodas?
Everything has potential to kill you.
You'll lick a vagina or suck a dick (I don't know your orientation) and that's fine, but some sterile pink stuff.
Ewwww.
Dont smoke. Never tried it. Never took one illegal drug in my life. Rarely drink alcohol. Maybe 1 beer in the last 8-12 months. I cant even remember the last time I drank regular soda. Diet soda is exceedingly rare.
Thus, I would prefer for my chicken nuggets to not be made from pink slime, which has a mixture of animal parts in it. :-\ :-\
Everything has a potential to kill you, however, youre missing the key thing here: NOT everything has the same degree or certainty to kill you. You keep forgetting its about the matter of degree and potentiality. Not all things have the potential to kill you at the same rate or to the same degree. Therefore, Id rather limit that degree to very little.
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Dont smoke. Never tried it. Never took one illegal drug in my life. Rarely drink alcohol. Maybe 1 beer in the last 8-12 months. I cant even remember the last time I drank regular soda. Diet soda is exceedingly rare.
Thus, I would prefer for my chicken nuggets to not be made from pink slime, which has a mixture of animal parts in it. :-\ :-\
Everything has a potential to kill you, however, youre missing the key thing here: NOT everything has the same degree or certainty to kill you. You keep forgetting its about the matter of degree and potentiality. Not all things have the potential to kill you at the same rate or to the same degree. Therefore, Id rather limit that degree to very little.
Certainly that's true, but do we have any data that can accurately determine the degree of the danger of pink slime?
I haven't seen that.
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Certainly that's true, but do we have any data that can accurately determine the degree of the danger of pink slime?
I haven't seen that.
Probably not, but Id rather not take that chance. :-X :-X
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Probably not, but Id rather not take that chance. :-X :-X
That's fair. I guess I just like chicken McNuggets.
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Those were chicken nuggets. Not burgers I think. (Could be wrong of course)
Who cares though? You smoke? Ever take drugs? Any? diet sodas? Regular sodas?
Everything has potential to kill you.
You'll lick a vagina or suck a dick (I don't know your orientation) and that's fine, but some sterile pink stuff.
Ewwww.
A nonsensical cop out response. According to your logic, there should be no oversight or accountability to ensure the safety of food products, because as you put it, everything has the potential to kill you, so who cares. If you're fine with that, so be it, but don't expect that everyone else should live by that edict. Go have a McDonalds burger and wash it down with some Round Up. No one will care, but no one else will likely want to follow suit.
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Certainly that's true, but do we have any data that can accurately determine the degree of the danger of pink slime?
I haven't seen that.
You need concrete data to convince you that ammonia washed "meat" is not healthy? What's your view on asbestos?
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A nonsensical cop out response. According to your logic, there should be no oversight or accountability to ensure the safety of food products, because as you put it, everything has the potential to kill you, so who cares. If you're fine with that, so be it, but don't expect that everyone else should live by that edict. Go have a McDonalds burger and wash it down with some Round Up. No one will care, but no one else will likely want to follow suit.
That is ridiculous.
You are talking about food which is deemed appropriate by the FDA.
Now whether you like it or not. If something was completely wrong with the food they wouldn't be legally allowed to serve it.
To mention roundup ( a weed killer) is stupid.
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America has some of the strictest standards in the world. Of course most everyone in most everything is going to try to cut corners. My brother-in-law is an inspector and said the large chains are the best in maintaining standards. Of drive ins in Hawaii, Mcdonald's is the best. it makes sense because if a mom and pop restaurant fails it's just on them. One MCD fails and it reflects on the entire empire and there's hell to pay.
Also, in Hawaii we don't have the selection that they do on the mainland. All I see as far as fast food burgers is Jack-in-the-Box, BK and MCK, Of course there's Taco Bell but I like my burgers. We do have a Ted's but shit their burgers start at 8 bucks and takes forever to get your order. I miss Carl Jrs. and In and Out when I was on the mainland. There was something about In and Out that made their burgers seem so fresh and zesty. Crisp cold lettuce, the burgers were piping hot like it just came off the grill instead of sitting under heating lamp. And they were fast.
Anyway, picked up another four McDoubles with extra slime. Two for the drive home and one for breakfast tomorrow and one on hand to carry throughout the day in a hunger emergency. One thing I like about McDonald's burgers is that, like cockroaches, they last forever. I had one sitting on the counter for a couple of days and 30 sec in the microwave and it was as good as new. The melted cheese gave it that extra yum.
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BTW, my original post was not about promoting MCD, I could have easily have started a thread, "Yay! Gas is now under $3!" I didn't expect it to turn into a MCD bashing thread.
For me it's about the moral superiority of Capitalism and free market competition. That's right! I said it! I said "moral superiority" of Capitalism.
Apparently there is some kind of battle between BK and McDonald's trying to one up each other. They are in fierce competition. To survive in a free market economy (I know it's not completely free and shouldn't be) you have to please the customer. Make them happy so that they will come back. It's doesn't matter if you are in a bad mood, hate your job or just a dick; you still have to plaster that smile on your face, be courteous and polite and give good service whether you want to or not (assuming you want to keep your job).
In a culture that is so self-absorbed and narcissistic where expressing every feeling and behavior propensity to "keep it real" having to be forced to behave decently whether you want to or not is real character building. EVERYONE should work in a service type industry at least once and food service is ideal. Your job is to make others happy regardless of how you feel. That makes for a better person and a better world.
Try to get good service at the DMV and any other government run service where they can't good out of business. If you get good service it purely at the pleasure of the employee. If not, too bad.
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That is ridiculous.
You are talking about food which is deemed appropriate by the FDA.
Now whether you like it or not. If something was completely wrong with the food they wouldn't be legally allowed to serve it.
To mention roundup ( a weed killer) is stupid.
The same government that once claimed asbestos was safe? Did the FDA certify pink slime safe? There are many things the FDA has deemed safe, to later be proven very harmful. Many things get rubber stamped. In terms of Round Up, I wasn't being literal per say. However, there have in fact been claims by lobbyists that Round Up is safe to drink. Care to try it? Don't you trust them? As you said, many things can kill you, so who cares? Hoist with your own petard.
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The same government that once claimed asbestos was safe? Did the FDA certify pink slime safe? There are many things the FDA has deemed safe, to later be proven very harmful. Many things get rubber stamped. In terms of Round Up, I wasn't being literal per say. Evidently, sarcasm is lost on you. However, there have in fact been claims by lobbyists that Round Up is safe to drink. Care to try it? Don't you trust them? As you said, many things can kill you, so who cares? Hoist with your own petard.
Asbestos saved a lot of lives and as technology has advanced, they determined it was more harmful than good... So they removed it from houses. Same with lead in paint and gasoline, (lead in gasoline is actually safer, but that's an entirely different conversation)
Doesn't stop you from having asbestos in your car... Yes, you do.
Sarcasm isn't lost on me, but we are having what I thought was a serious conversation, so to bring sarcasm into it, makes no sense.
Lobbyists certainly claim a lot of things, but while the Fed is shitty about a lot of things, they would not deem it a food. You're seriously trying to compare food to a weed killer.
Unbelievable.
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Asbestos saved a lot of lives and as technology has advanced, they determined it was more harmful than good... So they removed it from houses. Same with lead in paint and gasoline, (lead in gasoline is actually safer, but that's an entirely different conversation)
Doesn't stop you from having asbestos in your car... Yes, you do.
Sarcasm isn't lost on me, but we are having what I thought was a serious conversation, so to bring sarcasm into it, makes no sense.
Lobbyists certainly claim a lot of things, but while the Fed is shitty about a lot of things, they would not deem it a food. You're seriously trying to compare food to a weed killer.
Unbelievable.
What do they put Round Up on? Get the picture?
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We have neither free markets, nor capitalism. Crony capitalism at best.
Seriously, STFU already. You seem to have a lot of unresolved issues. Can't believe how personally you took a tongue in cheek thread. Have you posted a pic to show what great shape your McDonald's free body is?
McDonald's lowered the price of their burgers not because they care about you or me paying lower prices. It's because of competition from other drive ins. That's capitalism. That's free market competition. And that's the only reason why they did it and why they are allowed to do it. That's a fact.
"'Crony' capitalism at best." Oh brother.
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I went into town today after about a week at home due to the holidays and my friggin` car being stuck in my driveway due to ice.
Thought of this thread,went to Mickeydees and the mutherfocker was closed down.........they`re gonna` build a new one soon the sign said and it`s only one in tinytown USA. :(
I miss the city at times like this.
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Asbestos saved a lot of lives and as technology has advanced, they determined it was more harmful than good... So they removed it from houses. Same with lead in paint and gasoline, (lead in gasoline is actually safer, but that's an entirely different conversation)
Doesn't stop you from having asbestos in your car... Yes, you do.
Sarcasm isn't lost on me, but we are having what I thought was a serious conversation, so to bring sarcasm into it, makes no sense.
Lobbyists certainly claim a lot of things, but while the Fed is shitty about a lot of things, they would not deem it a food. You're seriously trying to compare food to a weed killer.
Unbelievable.
This guy is an obvious kook. He's the type of guy who claims that there is no difference between Democrats and Republicans and that the President is "selected" and not elected.
Pats himself on the back for banning DDT while millions die of malaria.
Why kind of person goes into such a rage over a thread on McDoubles.
At my age, I've had a bunch of relatives die over the years. All in their mid to late 80s. None of them paid any attention to diet, some smoked, none exercised. Consumed every chemical in foods all their lives. Not a single one died of cancer. If anything, they all looked younger than their years because of all the preservatives they put in food.
I am very pro pesticides and preservatives. The alternative is rotten food or bug infested foods.
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Pellius,
I would be interested to learn what you mean when you say "moral superiority of capitalism". What is it morally superior to, and why?
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Seriously, STFU already. You seem to have a lot of unresolved issues. Can't believe how personally you took a tongue in cheek thread. Have you posted a pic to show what great shape your McDonald's free body is?
McDonald's lowered the price of their burgers not because they care about you or me paying lower prices. It's because of competition from other drive ins. That's capitalism. That's free market competition. And that's the only reason why they did it and why they are allowed to do it. That's a fact.
"'Crony' capitalism at best." Oh brother.
If we have free markets, please explain the existence of such measures as ZIRP and quantitative easing. Was it the free market when McDonalds was allowed to illegally raise prices during price controls, while their competition was not? Another fail on your part it would seem. Or would you prefer to call it a "McFail"?
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If we have free markets, please explain the existence of such measures as ZIRP and quantitative easing. Was it the free market when McDonalds was allowed to illegally raise prices during price controls, while their competition was not? Another fail on your part it would seem. Or would you prefer to call it a "McFail"?
Lmao at "McFail." ;D ;D
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Pellius,
I would be interested to learn what you mean when you say "moral superiority of capitalism". What is it morally superior to, and why?
Socialism.
As I thought I thoroughly explained, with Capitalism your survival is based on making your customers happy. No matter how you, yourself feel: whether you like the customer or not, whether you are in a bad mood, whether you are tired.... you have to rise above your own selfish, personal, self absorbed, preoccupation and act decently and politely. Without competition it doesn't matter how you treat a customer. Where else are they going to go.
Putting your own personal feelings aside to act decently and make other people happy is a moral act in my book.
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If we have free markets, please explain the existence of such measures as ZIRP and quantitative easing. Was it the free market when McDonalds was allowed to illegally raise prices during price controls, while their competition was not? Another fail on your part it would seem. Or would you prefer to call it a "McFail"?
Oh brother, now you're bringing up monetary policy. And exactly when was "price controls" in say the last 20 years been imposed on McDonalds?
You have no credibility. You simply lied about pink slime and the ingredients contained in McDonald's burgers TODAY. You do it because you have some kind of agenda.
Again, can you please post a picture to show us what kind of great physical shape you must be in by studiously avoiding the fake, poison food that is McDonald's? I notice all those people giving lectures on the evils of McDonald's looks like shit.
BTW, what part of "not completely free" don't you understand?
"To survive in a free market economy (I know it's not completely free and shouldn't be) you have to please the customer."
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Lmao at "McFail." ;D ;D
So do you plan on spending less time on bbing forums and other bber's social media and actually go to the gym this year?
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A nonsensical cop out response. According to your logic, there should be no oversight or accountability to ensure the safety of food products, because as you put it, everything has the potential to kill you, so who cares. If you're fine with that, so be it, but don't expect that everyone else should live by that edict. Go have a McDonalds burger and wash it down with some Round Up. No one will care, but no one else will likely want to follow suit.
Look you moron,
Every single thing you posted is not even remotely true and is totally false which is why I won't even bother with trying to educate you. You are one of those severe lost causes that would rather believe in fiction rather than fact.
You are dangerous though as you spread false bullshit to others and there are a ton of morons like you, who will believe it as well. Its too bad people like you reproduce at a faster rate than those that aren't so fucking stupid.
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garbage foods... 20% fat in the burgers
only eat lean red meat
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Look you moron,
Every single thing you posted is not even remotely true and is totally false which is why I won't even bother with trying to educate you. You are one of those severe lost causes that would rather believe in fiction rather than fact.
You are dangerous though as you spread false bullshit to others and there are a ton of morons like you, who will believe it as well. Its too bad people like you reproduce at a faster rate than those that aren't so fucking stupid.
Testy, testy. Grumpy because your calorie is a calorie theory is rubbish? Troll harder, I mean try harder.
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Certainly that's true, but do we have any data that can accurately determine the degree of the danger of pink slime?
I haven't seen that.
Don't like something, just give it a bad name. For example, "Obama Care". If you like it then you call it the "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act".
I'm sure SPAM isn't made from the choice cuts of meat. I heard it's the scraps sweep off the floor in a meat processing plant. People have been eating since WW2. If it kills you, it's killing you slowly. But that probably applies to everything.
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garbage foods... 20% fat in the burgers
only eat lean red meat
There is nothing inherently wrong with fat. Unlike carbs, it is absolutely necessary for human life. it is the most caloric dense macro nutrient with twice the amount of calories than the other two macros.
When a person talks about "junk food" like fried chicken, Big Macs, French Fries they are talking about fat. After all, what's the difference between the bake potatoes that Coleman was constantly eating in his "Unbelievable" video and French Fries? The only difference is that French Fries has more fat and therefore more calories. But then you have to accept the notion that fat and calories are inherently bad.
It may be bad to a lot of people because they abuse calories. They take in too much of it and fat is blamed as the main culprit because gram for gram it is the most caloric efficient. More energy for your buck. So it's bad in the sense that most people are fat and need to consume less calories and therefore should choose foods with less calories (bake potato over fries). So a good way to do it is to consume less fat. Eat a bake potato instead of a potato sliced and boiled in fat.
If you are skinny and want to gain weight or you live in a poor country it would be much wiser to choose french fries over an equal portion of bake potato or fried chicken over chicken breast. Even 80% lean over 92% lean ground beef.
Just like there isn't anything like fake food, it's either food or it isn't, I don't really believe in the concept of junk food. High caloric food isn't junk per se but probably a food you should avoid if you are fat because that means you can eat more quantity of low caloric foods (also erroneously referred to as "clean" foods) and therefore fill yourself up and not get hungry as fast and consume less calories with an equal quantity of high calorie food.
BTW, there's a reason why fatty foods taste better than lean foods. Why a "juicy" (high fat) steak taste better than a lean (therefore dry)
cut. It's because biologically we haven't change much in centuries. We are programmed to favor the more caloric efficient (fatty) foods. It did us good back in the days before we had McDonald's and $1 McDoubles.
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Don't like something, just give it a bad name. For example, "Obama Care". If you like it then you call it the "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act".
I'm sure SPAM isn't made from the choice cuts of meat. I heard it's the scraps sweep off the floor in a meat processing plant. People have been eating since WW2. If it kills you, it's killing you slowly. But that probably applies to everything.
SPAM is certainly full of fat and didn't just get eaten in WW2, it was one of the biggest reasons the US won the war in the Pacific.
You are absolutely correct.
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http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/study-warns-kids-who-eat-fast-food-have-lower-iqs/
Unfortunately, this only partially explains pellius. ;D
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This cop probably eats McDoubles every day and will most likely live longer than the cop below him :-\
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Man, funny how a silly little shitburger makes people in this thread meltdown so much.
I had a Bacon Mcdouble tonight, cost me $2.30 canadian
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Man, funny how a silly little shitburger makes people in this thread meltdown so much.
I had a Bacon Mcdouble tonight, cost me $2.30 canadian
PIP.
I am not 100% against fastfood. The one reason why I wont go to McDonalds is because what is on the menu, is never served to you. Not EVEN close!
Its advertised as this:
(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2014-03-06-McD_BaconClubhouseOfficial.jpg)
But it normally comes out looking like this:
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1389/1428299291_6578852a21.jpg)
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PIP.
I am not 100% against fastfood. The one reason why I wont go to McDonalds is because what is on the menu, is never served to you. Not EVEN close!
Its advertised as this:
(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2014-03-06-McD_BaconClubhouseOfficial.jpg)
But it normally comes out looking like this:
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1389/1428299291_6578852a21.jpg)
Yes
Also half the time it looks like the burgers were assembled with the workers foot.
A few days ago I took my kids to one of the McDonald's with those indoor park things that is popular with kids these days and 2 out of the 3 burgers one half of the bun was off the burger by half its width, one had even folded over and was stuck that way.
Pure garbage
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Socialism.
As I thought I thoroughly explained, with Capitalism your survival is based on making your customers happy. No matter how you, yourself feel: whether you like the customer or not, whether you are in a bad mood, whether you are tired.... you have to rise above your own selfish, personal, self absorbed, preoccupation and act decently and politely. Without competition it doesn't matter how you treat a customer. Where else are they going to go.
Putting your own personal feelings aside to act decently and make other people happy is a moral act in my book.
But that is the individual acting in a polite way, due to self interest (they are being paid to be nice). This is not a moral act. The competition angle also fails here. Suppose you have no competition, it does not necessarily follow that you would be discourteous, after all, you would still be getting paid to be nice.
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Good luck with the Mcshits afterwards.
Your stomach gets use to it after the first cycle.
WoooSHHHHHHHHH
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But that is the individual acting in a polite way, due to self interest (they are being paid to be nice). This is not a moral act. The competition angle also fails here. Suppose you have no competition, it does not necessarily follow that you would be discourteous, after all, you would still be getting paid to be nice.
Do you think manners, courtesy and polite behavior come naturally?
As I explained before, I am less concern with a person's feelings and motivation than his actual behavior. My mother MADE me say thank you every time I got a present. She didn't give a rats ass whether I was actually grateful or not. What she cared about was I express gratitude. I didn't like having to write thank you cards, but what I liked or didn't like played little role in promoting good behavior. As time went on, I learned to appreciate not being a selfish, self-absorb shit and expressing gratitude is now part of my nature. More often then not, behaving a certain way, whether you like it or not, makes you feel that way. I never like eating with a fork when I was a kid. I always liked eating with my hands. That does seem to be the natural way to eat. But being forced to use a knife and fork it eventually change my nature and now it seems awkward and boorish to eat with my hands.
Of course they get paid to be nice. So what? The alternative is that they get paid to be rude. I much prefer insincere goodness than sincere badness.
And the fact the you don't think competition promotes, encourages and provides an incentive to make your customer happy belies your agenda It is so blatantly obvious. Sure someone may be polite with no incentive at all. They may ONLY be polite if given an incentive. Some will work a certain job whether they got paid or not. Some will only work a job if they get paid. But chances are you will get more employees wanting to work for you if you pay them. That's my point. We don't know. We can't read minds. We can only evaluate behavior and the fact is when there is competition, when someone can simply go elsewhere to get better service, you will be forced, whether you want to or not, whether it's sincere or insincere, to make your customer happy or you will lose your job and/or business.
If you can think of a better way to big out the best in a person's performance: be it in sports, business, anything really, without competition then tell me what it is.
And again, because we cannot read minds or determine motivations, we can only take behavior at face value. And, to me, good behavior is moral behavior. A system that promotes good behavior is a moral system. Whether you are good because you're just a good guy or because you are afraid to go to jail or go to hell is something I leave to God to determine.
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According to pellius, poisoning your customers is the moral thing to do. Don't eat a meal at his house.
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According to pellius, poisoning your customers is the moral thing to do. Don't eat a meal at his house.
And this is why you have no credibility. You just simply lie. You say things that are demonstrably untrue simply to promote a personal agenda. I just had another two McDoubles last night. I've been eating at McDonald's for decades. If I have been eating poison how come I am not dead? How come billions of people haven't died of poisoning by McDonald's.
You lie about "pink slime" being used in their burgers today. You lie about the ingredients in beef patties.
Why is it so important to you to discredit McDonald's that you are willing to tell such blatant lies? Do you really think that anyone believes, even those that dislike me, that I think it is moral to poison people? Do you think anybody is really clicking on your links?
How come you keep ignoring the request to post a picture of yourself to show us what kind of physical condition you have attained avoiding McDonalds?
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man there are some long posts about some silly little hamburger here
summary....
1-McD's and other fast food chains based on past offenses have a well deserved scrutiny about their products
2- A calorie is a calorie
3- Guys like to brag incessantly about their ability to absorb junk food like Mcd's on a constant basis, conveniently forgetting they are ectos and without drugs would weigh the equivalent of a buck o five(pun intended).
4-pellius is an intelligent guy with a penchant for melting down about hamburgers and his lust for said hamburgers like someone hurt over remarks made about their no so attractive girlfriend
5-you get what you pay for ie seriously with world food prices these days esp meat do you really think a fucking $1 double hamburger is high quality?
6- Spam wins wars
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And this is why you have no credibility. You just simply lie. You say things that are demonstrably untrue simply to promote a personal agenda. I just had another two McDoubles last night. I've been eating at McDonald's for decades. If I have been eating poison how come I am not dead? How come billions of people haven't died of poisoning by McDonald's.
You lie about "pink slime" being used in their burgers today. You lie about the ingredients in beef patties.
Why is it so important to you to discredit McDonald's that you are willing to tell such blatant lies? Do you really think that anyone believes, even those that dislike me, that I think it is moral to poison people? Do you think anybody is really clicking on your links?
How come you keep ignoring the request to post a picture of yourself to show us what kind of physical condition you have attained avoiding McDonalds?
My everyday physique will shit all over your best. The trouble for you is that I am not so insecure so as to have to prove anything to anyone, least of all to you. You dance to my tune, not the other way around, Burger Boy. How many years did you spend in the suit?
(http://unrealitymag.bcmediagroup.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/grimace-kid.jpg)
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McD is garbage.
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man there are some long posts about some silly little hamburger here
summary....
1-McD's and other fast food chains based on past offenses have a well deserved scrutiny about their products
2- A calorie is a calorie
3- Guys like to brag incessantly about their ability to absorb junk food like Mcd's on a constant basis, conveniently forgetting they are ectos and without drugs would weigh the equivalent of a buck o five(pun intended).
4-pellius is an intelligent guy with a penchant for melting down about hamburgers and his lust for said hamburgers like someone hurt over remarks made about their no so attractive girlfriend
5-you get what you pay for ie seriously with world food prices these days esp meat do you really think a fucking $1 double hamburger is high quality?
6- Spam wins wars
Meltdown? I said I was glad they lowered the price of McDoubles. I was met with an onslaught by "Mr1derful" post youtube vids, links and lectures about how it's poison. No bragging about absorbing junk food.
Like I said, I could have easily started a thread titled, "Yay, gas is not under $3 a gallon!" It would be in the same spirit as this thread.
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My everyday physique will shit all over your best. The trouble for you is that I am not so insecure so as to have to prove anything to anyone, least of all to you. You dance to my tune, not the other way around, Burger Boy. How many years did you spend in the suit?
(http://unrealitymag.bcmediagroup.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/grimace-kid.jpg)
"Nothing to prove" bahahaha! We've all heard that before.
I don't dance.
I'm still alive despite the McDouble I had for breakfast.
You blatantly lie. That has been proven. You have no character or honor. You're not a man.
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"Nothing to prove" bahahaha! We've all heard that before.
I don't dance.
I'm still alive despite the McDouble I had for breakfast.
You blatantly lie. That has been proven. You have no character or honor. You're not a man.
(http://cdn1.theodysseyonline.com/files/2015/03/09/635614600953255021644909057_mcdonalsd%20play%20plae.jpg)
This from a guy whose major pastime was hanging around in McDonalds ball pits.
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Pellius,
There is absolutely no evidence that capitalism promotes moral behaviour. You are simply making a leap from someone being polite when they serve you, calling this moral behaviour, and asserting that it is a by-product of capitalism. Surely you can see that this logic is flawed.
In fact, what you are really espousing are: the virtues of customer service, and your belief that this can provide a competitive advantage in a capitalist system. With this, I would agree. But this has absolutely nothing to do with morals.
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Pellius,
There is absolutely no evidence that capitalism promotes moral behaviour. You are simply making a leap from someone being polite when they serve you, calling this moral behaviour, and asserting that it is a by-product of capitalism. Surely you can see that this logic is flawed.
In fact, what you are really espousing are: the virtues of customer service, and your belief that this can provide a competitive advantage in a capitalist system. With this, I would agree. But this has absolutely nothing to do with morals.
From what I've been told, pellius knows little about morality.
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McD is garbage.
In Pellius's world, he apparently feels that McDonalds is fine dining.
Just proves that diet can take a back seat when you are already a natural ectomorph, who also takes steroids.
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I don't eat from them often. If desperate I'll choose Wendy's or BK. I believe Wendy's burgers have more meat.
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(http://cdn1.theodysseyonline.com/files/2015/03/09/635614600953255021644909057_mcdonalsd%20play%20plae.jpg)
This from a guy whose major pastime was hanging around in McDonalds ball pits.
::)
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What's the Getbigger thinking about Fatburger?
I had an XXL Kingburger the other day and just about jizzed my drawers at its tastiness.
It also seemed to be of a better quality than typical burger joint fare.
P.S. McDisgusting is truly a horror show "food" restaurant. If you're starving, sure. But otherwise, it's best to avoid their bargain basement grub.
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There's a lot of lost causes in this thread unfortunately, Pellius. Just let them continue eating their chicken and oatmeal, etc. and one day thinking carbs are bad and the next fat. Blown about by whatever wind (trend) comes their way.
More "fake/radioactively enhanced meat" for us to enjoy.
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How many guys brag about how healthy they are by showing their abs? ::) I knew two guys who dropped dead while exercising. One was playing racquetball and the other just got done running on the treadmill. The racquetball guy just got a clean bill of health that week at the Dr's. He must have not been feeling too well. Dropped dead of a massive heart attack right in front of me while playing.
Remember that you are only as healthy as your insides. One small blockage in an artery and you could die instantly.
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Pellius,
There is absolutely no evidence that capitalism promotes moral behaviour. You are simply making a leap from someone being polite when they serve you, calling this moral behaviour, and asserting that it is a by-product of capitalism. Surely you can see that this logic is flawed.
In fact, what you are really espousing are: the virtues of customer service, and your belief that this can provide a competitive advantage in a capitalist system. With this, I would agree. But this has absolutely nothing to do with morals.
I just gave you an abundance of evidence. Any system the promotes good, polite and civil behavior and promotes this behavior regardless of how you personally feel I consider a moral system. You don't understand this partly because you are from Europe where your values are based on secularism, pacifism and socialism. Any mention of morals or standards based on principles of right and wrong is almost abhorrent to you.
You don't like the idea that someone gets something out of good behavior. That this diminishes it. They should act good simply because they are just good. It doesn't matter if they are rewarded or punished for it.
And there in lies the problem. You're a liberal and you live in fantasy land. That man is born basically good and it is society that corrupts him. You, my naive friend, have much more faith in human nature than I do.
If you have kids you teach and promote certain behavior and if they don't follow it you punish them. You created an environment based on reward and punishment that promotes moral behavior regardless of how they feel about it or if their good behavior is "genuine". In a religion you follow a certain code of behavior or you go to hell. At McDonald's you better be polite and provide good service or you get fired.
What you don't understand is that behavior influences the heart. As you behave so will you become. Behave good, and just by performing acts of goodness transforms you into a good person. It works the other way as well.
When I was a kid I shoplifted a candy bar. I was scared and nervous as hell. I was sweating and shaking lie a leaf. Now, if I continued to steal it would have gotten easier and easier. Eventually it would have been just another day at the office. By behaving like a thief I would have literally transformed myself into a thief.
You think anybody starts out as a serial killer? Just randomly killing and mutilating their bodies? You think when someone does this that this is their very first act of cruelty? Of course not, they develop into a monster by a lifetime of behaving like a monster. They start out killing and torturing bugs, lizard, frogs. Then of course cats. They always kill and torture cats. They work their way up. They work their way up to humans.
For me, I always say thank you when someone gives me a gift. It's not because I was born with gratitude and expressing thanks. It was taught to me. Drilled into me. "What do say, Pellius?" Was the constant refrain growing up. Eventually, it became part of my nature. It would now feel wrong not to say thank you.
A system that promotes moral behavior, and I consider civility and courtesy moral behavior, is, well, a moral system.
In this age of malignant narcissism -- such a profound level of self-absorption -- is what makes these ideas so foreign and incomprehensible to you. That's why even though it sucks getting old, I am so, so grateful that I grew in my generation before the pathologies of the cultural revolution in the late sixties took hold (around the 1990s when those hippies started teaching at universities and holding political office). When I compare people now to how they were just 30-40 years ago it's truly a tragedy.
You will learn far more about life working at McDonald's than you will at the majority of Universities today.
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There's a lot of lost causes in this thread unfortunately, Pellius. Just let them continue eating their chicken and oatmeal, etc. and one day thinking carbs are bad and the next fat. Blown about by whatever wind (trend) comes their way.
More "fake/radioactively enhanced meat" for us to enjoy.
Just for the sake of clarity, I am no way endorsing McDoubles as quality fare. It would not be my first choice if I was being executed and given a last meal. It's just that where I live there seems to be more McDonald's than other drive ins and they are super fast and the workers are polite and hustle to get your order out. They have these double drive through lanes so even when it's crowded, and it always is, things move fast.
Of course I'd rather have a Fat Burger or a Five Guys but I'm not looking for a dining experience. I looking for something fast, cheap and convenient. And no one does it better than McDonalds. And now they made it even cheaper. If someone thinks it's gross then it's no skin off my nose. I'm not a picky eater. Stewed gizzards, tripe, pigs feet, ox tongue and liver were standard fare when I was growing up. If it's food, I can eat it.
What I don't get is guys like Mr "1derful" that goes on this hysterical crusade having to just make things up, literally tell blatant lies, because he doesn't approve what someone, someone he doesn't even know, eats.
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Looks healthy..
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How many guys brag about how healthy they are by showing their abs? ::) I knew two guys who dropped dead while exercising. One was playing racquetball and the other just got done running on the treadmill. The racquetball guy just got a clean bill of health that week at the Dr's. He must have not been feeling too well. Dropped dead of a massive heart attack right in front of me while playing.
Remember that you are only as healthy as your insides. One small blockage in an artery and you could die instantly.
I think it is true that "looking" healthy is not always a surefire way to determines one health. But if someone looks unhealthy, obese, the flabby, flaccid Shizzo type of fat and not necessarily the Josh or Chaos solid powerful fat; chances are health issue are present or just right around the corner. Certainly a flight of stairs will tax their upper limits of functional ability.
Though I haven't watched any of vids posted on this thread, the speakers presumably bashing McDonalds certainly don't look like the picture of health.
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Looks healthy..
I'm sure Dallas is quite healthy. The more pertinent question is why are you posting his picture in a Mcdonald's thread? Even more curious is why do you even have a picture of Dallas?
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McDonalds had some anniversary were burgers were something like a dime. Sometime in the late 80's. I remember the lines were fucking crazy and they were churning them out like nuts.
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I think it is true that "looking" healthy is not always a surefire way to determines one health. But if someone looks unhealthy, obese, the flabby, flaccid Shizzo type of fat and not necessarily the Josh or Chaos solid powerful fat; chances are health issue are present or just right around the corner. Certainly a flight of stairs will tax their upper limits of functional ability.
Though I haven't watched any of vids posted on this thread, the speakers presumably bashing McDonalds certainly don't look like the picture of health.
I've known lots a people who have lived to late 80's early 90's some of them my relatives. Some where over weight not huge mind you. Lots of them had gardens. None of them exercised in the conventional sense but they did mow their own grass and plant gardens. I would guess that what most of these people had in common is that they ate mostly garden food. This practice is rare today. Oh and none of these people smoked at all and they drank very little.
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I've known lots a people who have lived to late 80's early 90's some of them my relatives. Some where over weight not huge mind you. Lots of them had gardens. None of them exercised in the conventional sense but they did mow their own grass and plant gardens. I would guess that what most of these people had in common is that they ate mostly garden food. This practice is rare today. Oh and none of these people smoked at all and they drank very little.
I wanted to distinguish between the types of obesity. When you have that pear shape that is a sure sign of some degree of insulin resistance. I think insulin resistance is a major cause to a lot of health issues experienced today. I mean, just by getting older and a life time of eat you start to develop some degree of insulin resistance. It's not the same at fifty then at fifteen.
But when all is said and done I think so much just has to do with genetics. So much of a person's life is predetermined on the day he/she is born. Genetics, environment, wealth....
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Pellius,
As usual, you profess to know things about me, throw in the odd insult and refuse to contemplate that your logic may be wanting.
I do feel sorry for you, you have such a negative view of the world, and appear to be full of anger.
However, I do find your pseudo-intellectual diatribes rather amusing.
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I wanted to distinguish between the types of obesity. When you have that pear shape that is a sure sign of some degree of insulin resistance. I think insulin resistance is a major cause to a lot of health issues experienced today. I mean, just by getting older and a life time of eat you start to develop some degree of insulin resistance. It's not the same at fifty then at fifteen.
But when all is said and done I think so much just has to do with genetics. So much of a person's life is predetermined on the day he/she is born. Genetics, environment, wealth....
Agreed on the insulin part and genetics may predispose you to one certain type of disease this doesn't mean you have to succumb to it. Genetics loads the gun diet pulls the trigger.
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Agreed on the insulin part and genetics may predispose you to one certain type of disease this doesn't mean you have to succumb to it. Genetics loads the gun diet pulls the trigger.
That is a great phrase!
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Pellius,
As usual, you profess to know things about me, throw in the odd insult and refuse to contemplate that your logic may be wanting.
I do feel sorry for you, you have such a negative view of the world, and appear to be full of anger.
However, I do find your pseudo-intellectual diatribes rather amusing.
Yes, I do make assumptions. But I'm not just pulling it out of my ass. Assumptions are not inherently bad and how we get through life. If I open my front door and see a tiger, though I know nothing about this tiger and I can make a fair assumption that it would be best to close the door. If I see someone walking down the street with delts bigger than his head, forearms like Heath, and calves like Cutler I can assume, though I could be wrong, he's spent some time in the gym.
Your questions, how words like "morality" and "Capitalism" catch your attention and the fact you are from Europe leads me assume you are secular and tend to frown on a economic competition and "excessive" profits. So, yes, but your posts here, and previous discussions we have, I do know something about you as you do me ("As usual") the difference is that I am honest about it.
Though you're initial question seems harmless enough. Trying to establish clarity to my claims, your follow ups belies your agenda.
I am always, and have proven, that I am willing to honestly debate and question, and even changed my views (as I just did a few days ago of the efficacy of "bullying"). You may claim my logic is wanting, the simple premise that if a system promotes moral behavior then it is a moral system, but offer no rebuttal. You may question the premise of what constitutes moral behavior but the logic is quite sound.
I do have a negative view of the world but it's not because of my inherent nature or predisposition. I look at the world as it is and see that there is more bad than good in this world and am more than willing to debate and defend this position. There is nothing in my posts here that indicates anger. It is you that is angry because I challenge your world view.
What you said here in this post is not only false but it's something you don't even believe yourself. You are just saying words just to say words so you can muster some kind of come back. You don't feel sorry for me. You feel nothing for me. Why would you. You are not amuse by my "diatribes" but are more disturbed by it.
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i had a burger with provolone on the beach tonight. delicious.
it was 50 times better than a big mac. I cannot imagine any world where people crave big macs and drive past actual restaurants to get something.
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Looks healthy..
Odd that you now replaced the picture of Dallas.
And, yes, I am healthy and in great shape, especially for a man well into his fifties. What about you? Have you posted a pic showing how healthy and good shape you are?
I have a feeling it will not be forthcoming.
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i had a burger with provolone on the beach tonight. delicious.
it was 50 times better than a big mac. I cannot imagine any world where people crave big macs and drive past actual restaurants to get something.
Well, then the problem is obviously your imagination because we have a billion people, I being one of them, proving you wrong.
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Well, then the problem is obviously your imagination because we have a billion people, I being one of them, proving you wrong.
there are times when I crave a burger. I play enough restaurants where I can get a quality burger most nights if I crave it.
But I cannot remember any time I just woke up and said, I gotta have a big mac. Yes, there are times I crave mcgriddle or mcmuffin. but the dinner? gross, I'd rather vote trump.
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In an unforeseen moment of serendipity, I just came across this article by a college student that is so pertinent to the subject this thread has devolved to. Her experience working at McDonald's and her experience at College and how McDonald's will prepare you for life in the real world than in any University or College (in this case Haverford College).
http://theodysseyonline.com/haverford/mcdonalds-taught-privilege/257905
" There, I, as an individual, was insignificant: The most important thing was that the customer walks away satisfied, and it didn’t matter what I had to go through to make that happen."
"And from that, I grew; I learned to take care of myself in ways that didn’t inconvenience anyone, draw unnecessary attention to myself, or interfere with the structures in place and the work which had to be done. McDonald’s was not a “safe space” for me, and that was how it should be; I was a small part of a big picture, and my feelings had no business influencing said big picture. "
"Those of us who need to work in order to support ourselves and pay tuition cannot afford to internalize the soft, self-centered mindset presented by our peers and customs folk at Haverford."
"I’m grateful to have worked at McDonald’s: It taught me how better to handle my anxiety and how to put myself last in the name of efficiency and a common goal. McDonald’s strengthened my character, my work ethic, and expanded my capacity for resilience, valuable lessons which could not be learned in the “safe spaces” of Haverford’s campus. We must remember that putting oneself first is the essence of privilege, and that, in order to grow, we must leave this selfish mindset behind. "
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there are times when I crave a burger. I play enough restaurants where I can get a quality burger most nights if I crave it.
But I cannot remember any time I just woke up and said, I gotta have a big mac. Yes, there are times I crave mcgriddle or mcmuffin. but the dinner? gross, I'd rather vote trump.
LOL @ voting for Trump.
What many don't understand is that in economics there are many factors involved that attract a customer. It's not just price, quality, quantity, convenience and service. It's a combination to various degrees depending on the circumstances.
I made clear that Mcdonald's, McDoubles in particular, is not my first choice as a specific food choice per se. As I mention, it would not be on my short list on my last meal prior to an execution. I've never woken up craving anything from McDonald's. In fact, before the recent drop in price, I've probably had a McDouble maybe a half a dozen times in the last year. It's the combination of convenience: they is always a McDonald's on my way to where ever I'm going; price: where can I get a full meal for only two dollars; nutrition: That's right! I said it! I said "NUTRITION!". You get fifty grams of protein in those two burgers for only $2. And I only keep track of protein as the fats and carbs fall into place effortlessly. Also, speed. McDonald's has it down to a science and takes as much human error and human sloth out of the equation. And those guys really hustle. They've created an environment that if you don't pull your weight you are going stand out like a sore thumb.
Of all the attributes that keeps me coming back to McDonald's, taste and quality is probably last on the list. The other attributes obviously more than make up for it. I like BK burgers much better because I like flame broiled burger infinitely more than pan fried. But they are not open 24 hrs and are slow as fuck (as far as drive through goes). I also think Jack in the Box is better tasting and better quality but their workers suck. I rarely get good service, their bathrooms are cess pools and the fatso girls that I get at the drive through don't even look at you or say thank you.
Also, they are much more expensive. I never get out of either of them without spending at least $8. I'd rather get a plate lunch.
So, now that I think about it, McDonald's wins out not because of their actual food, but the other attributes associated with food service.
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there are times when I crave a burger. I play enough restaurants where I can get a quality burger most nights if I crave it.
But I cannot remember any time I just woke up and said, I gotta have a big mac. Yes, there are times I crave mcgriddle or mcmuffin. but the dinner? gross, I'd rather vote trump.
I had to google "mcgriddle" haha... didn't know what it was.
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You may claim my logic is wanting, the simple premise that if a system promotes moral behavior then it is a moral system, but offer no rebuttal. You may question the premise of what constitutes moral behavior but the logic is quite sound.
There's so many things wrong with this that I don't know where to start. I'm sitting here rolling my eyes at the idea that any system that encourages polite interactions in exchange for money is inherently moral. ::)
So if your barber tells you you'd look great with a more expensive haircut even though he knows you'll look like shit, he's being moral because he's nice about it? If a shopgirl tells you you look great in a hideous yet expensive shirt, she's being moral because she was polite? Or a car salesman who sales you a bunch of useless add-ons? As long as he does it with a smile, it's moral?
Let's ignore the fact that any "morality" that McDonald's customer service might promote is offset by it's immoral environmental footprint and it's immoral predatory advertising towards children. Let's backup and just point out that McDonald's employees aren't that nice. Some of them can be, but they are just as likely to be indifferent or even rude (which is a major reason I rarely eat there). Like you said yourself in an earlier post, the things that make you a repeat customer are convenience and price. That's the same for most people. It isn't quality. It is often despite the people who work there.
As for it being nutritious- it's not. It can be a part of a balanced diet (especially if you are active) but it is not healthy.
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There's so many things wrong with this that I don't know where to start. I'm sitting here rolling my eyes at the idea that any system that encourages polite interactions in exchange for money is inherently moral. ::)
So if your barber tells you you'd look great with a more expensive haircut even though he knows you'll look like shit, he's being moral because he's nice about it? If a shopgirl tells you you look great in a hideous yet expensive shirt, she's being moral because she was polite? Or a car salesman who sales you a bunch of useless add-ons? As long as he does it with a smile, it's moral?
Let's ignore the fact that any "morality" that McDonald's customer service might promote is offset by it's immoral environmental footprint and it's immoral predatory advertising towards children. Let's backup and just point out that McDonald's employees aren't that nice. Some of them can be, but they are just as likely to be indifferent or even rude (which is a major reason I rarely eat there). Like you said yourself in an earlier post, the things that make you a repeat customer are convenience and price. That's the same for most people. It isn't quality. It is often despite the people who work there.
As for it being nutritious- it's not. It can be a part of a balanced diet (especially if you are active) but it is not healthy.
As usual, concepts like this sail far, far over your head that I don't know even where to begin. Remember, I said Capitalism promotes moral behavior assuming you accept the premise that polite, civil and courtesy is good behavior.
Not everyone will accept the premise that lying and misleading another person is moral behavior.
And when you quoted me why did you just mention convenience and price when I also included efficiency and service? You don't have an agenda do you?
And, yes, not all employees anywhere are nice. And they don't last. At least not where I've lived (Hawaii, So Ca.). I find MCD employees exceeding nice considering their shitty job. Whenever someone is rude to me anywhere I report it and it makes a difference. A huge difference. Instead of allowing yourself to get pushed around and be treated rudely speak up. Have some balls.
"immoral environmental footprint and it's immoral predatory advertising towards children"
Oh brother, you liberals are just getting so sickening. You want to compare how efficient a McDonald's is run compared to a mom and pop hole in the wall? Did you miss the part where I know an inspector where he said it's the independent business owners that are much more likely to commit health and safety violations. It's because they often don't have the funds, their standards are random and the consequences falls just on them. If an individual McDonalds, a Walmart, a Sears, commits a violation it reflects on their entire empire. And there is hell to pay.
And if you claim that McDonald's is not nutritious then this implies that if someone eats solely at McDonald's, that he eats every meal every day at McDonald's, that he will eventually suffer from malnutrition and if he continues on he will eventually die? Is that what you believe?
Remember the guy who did just that to counteract the agenda driven "Super Size Me" documentary and lost weight and got in better shape?
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As usual, concepts like this sail far, far over your head that I
So we're kicking off the post with insults about imaginary events. ::)
Remember, I said Capitalism promotes moral behavior assuming you accept the premise that polite, civil and courtesy is good behavior.
Not everyone will accept the premise that lying and misleading another person is moral behavior.
Where did you say this? On page 6 is when you first brought up McDonald's being a moral business and I don't see that anywhere in your posts. Maybe it's buried in one of your subsequent encyclopedia entries. Either way, you can add similar caveats to any dubious concept of morality. If you called someone "immoral" because she didn't thank you for holding the door open for her, most would look at you as if you didn't know what the word meant. That was the point. If you use a specific, narrow definition then you can claim that McDonalds fits those criteria and on top of being a huge business, YAY!, it's a huge purveyor of morality, too! If you stand back and apply some common sense to your standards, then that whole line of thinking turns into bullshit.
And when you quoted me why did you just mention convenience and price when I also included efficiency and service? You don't have an agenda do you?
Um, I was disagreeing with your post. Of course I had an agenda. I said people don't go to McDonald's for service within one line of the point in the post you are talking about.
Instead of allowing yourself to get pushed around and be treated rudely speak up. Have some balls.
::) All that needs to be said.
Oh brother, you liberals are just getting so sickening. You want to compare how efficient a McDonald's is run compared to a mom and pop hole in the wall? Did you miss the part where I know an inspector where he said it's the independent business owners that are much more likely to commit health and safety violations. It's because they often don't have the funds, their standards are random and the consequences falls just on them. If an individual McDonalds, a Walmart, a Sears, commits a violation it reflects on their entire empire. And there is hell to pay.
McDonalds aren't run efficiently and whether or not you know a food inspector doesn't change that and has nothing to do with anything. McDonalds produces an incredible amount of waste, which is a separate issue from health and saftety violations. McDonalds suppliers are the largest producers of CO2 emissions in the country. McDonald's thrives on predatory advertising to the point that some child-centric businesses no longer partner with them. Get outta here with that "sickening" bullshit. You are the one trying to make the argument that McDonald's is a moral endeavor.
And if you claim that McDonald's is not nutritious then this implies that if someone eats solely at McDonald's, that he eats every meal every day at McDonald's, that he will eventually suffer from malnutrition and if he continues on he will eventually die? Is that what you believe?
Remember the guy who did just that to counteract the agenda driven "Super Size Me" documentary and lost weight and got in better shape?
He didn't eat McDoubles for every meal. He was an overweight, sedentary guy who began watching what he was eating and exercising. You specifically called Mcdoubles nutritious. They're not. They can be a part of a balanced diet if you are active and already in shape, but they are not nutritious, no matter how you try to spin it.
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I may go have a couple of these today, fake dead bird sandwich (2 for $5.00)...
(http://www.restaurantnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Burger-King-Flame-Grilled-Chicken-Burger.jpg)
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I may go have a couple of these today, fake dead bird sandwich (2 for $5.00)...
(http://www.restaurantnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Burger-King-Flame-Grilled-Chicken-Burger.jpg)
Not a real chicken breast. Even the grill char lines are fake.
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Not a real chicken breast. Even the grill char lines are fake.
What are real chicken breasts these days? Ah the chicken breast, quite possibly the most important food source for aspiring bodybuilders and fitness enthusiasts around the world.
But unless you kill and cook the chicken yourselves, how are we sure what is real anymore?
Are those frozen bags of "chicken breasts" at the supermarket 100% real? What is considered real food today? People bellow about processed foods, yet 95% of shit you buy in a store is "processed" at some level.
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I would also have a negative worldview if I was so poor, like you, that I could only afford to eat at McDonalds when the McDouble was reduced more than its normal price.
Being thrifty and not wasting money doesn't translate into poor. Americans are one of the most wasteful people on this planet. I grew up under humble means so I know the worth of a dollar and what people do to earn it. You seem to be quite the pampered spoiled little bitch.
Were you glad that the price of gas went down? Would you rather spend more for a burger just to prove you are not poor?
I've been reading your posts for years and you are an idiot. Obsesses over other member, posting pics of cocks.
Where do you live and how much is your house worth? What do you do for a living?
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Might have to try the new Buttermilk Crispy Chicken Sandwich.
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I maybe eat McDs once a year. Always leaves me feeling queasy. Longest baseball game I ever had was fielding with a Big Mac and a strawberry shake in my gut. :-X
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Your questions, how words like "morality" and "Capitalism" catch your attention and the fact you are from Europe leads me assume you are secular and tend to frown on a economic competition and "excessive" profits.
Pellius,
For your records, this is another example of your logic being woefully wanting.
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http://businessethicscases.blogspot.ca/2015/11/mcdonalds-do-they-really-support-wage.html
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Where do you live and how much is your house worth? What do you do for a living?
LOL every thread from you: "Post a pic of your house. Let's see your physique. How much do you make? "
Go eat a dick, you leathery, old turtle.
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Might have to try the new Buttermilk Crispy Chicken Sandwich.
^^
I DID, had one in Bellingham, WA it's actually damn good!!!
It was a "cheat day Sunday" so I had it with large fries, and had a M&M's McFlurry Ice Cream dessert!!!
I finished the whole thing and walked away not realizing I left my full drink at the table, untouched!!
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What are real chicken breasts these days? Ah the chicken breast, quite possibly the most important food source for aspiring bodybuilders and fitness enthusiasts around the world.
But unless you kill and cook the chicken yourselves, how are we sure what is real anymore?
Are those frozen bags of "chicken breasts" at the supermarket 100% real? What is considered real food today? People bellow about processed foods, yet 95% of shit you buy in a store is "processed" at some level.
How's your hangover today? You were on a roll on getbig last night. I was reading all of your posts while I was getting ready to go out. On a date. To a restaurant. With a woman. In San Diego.... What did you end up doing?
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(http://worldtruth.tv/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/549134_10151392723481794_1648840661_n.jpg)
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Pellius,
For your records, this is another example of your logic being woefully wanting.
My friend, this is not a matter of logic. These are assumptions, assumptions that could very well be wrong. But as I explained before, and will painfully explain again, it is not just pulled out of a hat.
We've had discussions in the past and you've have expressed your views and therefore, though you won't admit it and don't like it, I do do know something about you and will learn more over time if we keep running into each other like this. And because I value truth and clarity above all else, it doesn't bother me in the least that you know some things about me. Which is why you began a previous statement with "As usual..." "As usual" what? As usual from your past experience with me.
Now that's logic.
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the great AL Doggity going hard up in this bitch
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LOL every thread from you: "Post a pic of your house. Let's see your physique. How much do you make? "
Go eat a dick, you leathery, old turtle.
Though the term has lost a lot of it's meaning due to over use, this was quite a meltdown! LOL! U mad bro?
It is so lost on you that you are not only moronic, but demonstrably so, often in the very same thread and in this case the very same post.
You quote me and then requote me wrong. What an unrepentant idiot. I never said post a pic of your house. I never asked you how much do you make. You were the one who brought up the subject of wealth. And, yes, when someone starts giving me advice or criticizes my views and practices regarding health, fitness and nutrition then yes, I want to see if they can back up their claims and criticism. From what I can see from all the Youtube vids. posted all those guys look horrible and why would I want to take their advice.
The extent of you laughable ignorance is just breathtaking. That the number one fast food chain in the country (Business Insiders 2014) is not run efficiently. That a drive in that features chicken, fish, beef, potatoes, lettuce, tomatoes, cucumbers, bread, milk... is not nutritious which implies that if someone just ate there and nowhere else they would suffer from malnourishment. And lets not forget "environmental footprint" and "predatory advertising".
Good god man! There's no way you can be this dumb naturally. You had to have went to some liberal university. You actually had to be taught and to learn to be this dumb. Good job.
BTW, I'll stick to my McDoubles and leave the dick eating to you. And, again, since you brought up my physique and how horrible it is why you don't you post a pic and show me how you fare in comparison?
Boom! Over a half a century old and powered by fake and non nutritious food.
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the great AL Doggity going hard up this bitch
Yes, the environment footprint and predatory practices are devastating.
And imagine the success McDonald's would have if they ran an efficient business?
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Though the term has lost a lot of it's meaning due to over use, this was quite a meltdown! LOL! U mad bro?
It is so lost on you that you are not only moronic, but demonstrably so, often in the very same thread and in this case the very same post.
You quote me and then requote me wrong. What an unrepentant idiot. I never said post a pic of your house. I never asked you how much do you make. You were the one who brought up the subject of wealth. And, yes, when someone starts giving me advice or criticizes my views and practices regarding health, fitness and nutrition then yes, I want to see if they can back up their claims and criticism. From what I can see from all the Youtube vids. posted all those guys look horrible and why would I want to take their advice.
The extent of you laughable ignorance is just breathtaking. That the number one fast food chain in the country (Business Insiders 2014) is not run efficiently. That a drive in that features chicken, fish, beef, potatoes, lettuce, tomatoes, cucumbers, bread, milk... is not nutritious which implies that if someone just ate there and nowhere else they would suffer from malnourishment. And lets not forget "environmental footprint" and "predatory advertising".
Good god man! There's no way you can be this dumb naturally. You had to have went to some liberal university. You actually had to be taught and to learn to be this dumb. Good job.
BTW, I'll stick to my McDoubles and leave the dick eating to you. And, again, since you brought up my physique and how horrible it is why you don't you post a pic and show me how you fare in comparison?
Boom! Over a half a century old and powered by fake and non nutritious food.
Exactly. A wall of text, not a single worthwhile rebuttal.
And you look like shit. I don't need to post a pic of me. Even if I looked like Jason Blaha, you still look like a wizened piece of bark.
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Exactly. A wall of text, not a single worthwhile rebuttal.
And you look like shit. I don't need to post a pic of me. Even if I looked like Jason Blaha, you still look like a wizened piece of bark.
lol! Still melting.
"Don't need to post a pic." It's more like don't want to because it's you who looks like shit and if you didn't you would post a pic because pics don't lie and it would shut me up.
Meanwhile, I'll continue to enjoy the warm weather in Hawaii, eating my McDoubles, staying lean, and owning your sorry ass.
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lol! Still melting.
"Don't need to post a pic." It's more like don't want to because it's you who looks like shit and if you didn't you would post a pic because pics don't lie and it would shut me up.
Meanwhile, I'll continue to enjoy the warm weather in Hawaii, eating my McDoubles, staying lean, and owning your sorry ass.
Whatever. You can call it a "meltdown" and "owning" if you like. Everything is posted here. People can read.
I brought up your physique because you always bring up your physique. And it looks horrible. I look good, but you can assume I look like shit and, even then, it's still better than this:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=589542.0;attach=665985;image)
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No it's not. You look like shit. And you are an idiot.
"McDonald's is not efficient"
"Environmental footprint."
"Predatory advertising."
You are the dumbest person on this thread.
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My friend, this is not a matter of logic. These are assumptions, assumptions that could very well be wrong. But as I explained before, and will painfully explain again, it is not just pulled out of a hat.
We've had discussions in the past and you've have expressed your views and therefore, though you won't admit it and don't like it, I do do know something about you and will learn more over time if we keep running into each other like this. And because I value truth and clarity above all else, it doesn't bother me in the least that you know some things about me. Which is why you began a previous statement with "As usual..." "As usual" what? As usual from your past experience with me.
Now that's logic.
It is true, and abundantly clear, that you and I have a difference of opinion on what logic means. I use this word in the philosophical sense: the use of reasoning. I am simply pointing out that your reasoning is wanting. Via your logic / reasoning, you deduce a wild array of theories / attributes, whose inferences do not validly trace back from the initial facts.
If you genuinely seek truth, above all else, I would suggest that your chances of finding it will improve, if you use a more measured, analytical approach. This will result in a more productive dialog.
I will bow out at this juncture.
Enjoy the rest of your weekend.
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pellius do you think you could be as lean without trt?
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Though the term has lost a lot of it's meaning due to over use, this was quite a meltdown! LOL! U mad bro?
It is so lost on you that you are not only moronic, but demonstrably so, often in the very same thread and in this case the very same post.
You quote me and then requote me wrong. What an unrepentant idiot. I never said post a pic of your house. I never asked you how much do you make. You were the one who brought up the subject of wealth. And, yes, when someone starts giving me advice or criticizes my views and practices regarding health, fitness and nutrition then yes, I want to see if they can back up their claims and criticism. From what I can see from all the Youtube vids. posted all those guys look horrible and why would I want to take their advice.
The extent of you laughable ignorance is just breathtaking. That the number one fast food chain in the country (Business Insiders 2014) is not run efficiently. That a drive in that features chicken, fish, beef, potatoes, lettuce, tomatoes, cucumbers, bread, milk... is not nutritious which implies that if someone just ate there and nowhere else they would suffer from malnourishment. And lets not forget "environmental footprint" and "predatory advertising".
Good god man! There's no way you can be this dumb naturally. You had to have went to some liberal university. You actually had to be taught and to learn to be this dumb. Good job.
BTW, I'll stick to my McDoubles and leave the dick eating to you. And, again, since you brought up my physique and how horrible it is why you don't you post a pic and show me how you fare in comparison?
Boom! Over a half a century old and powered by fake and non nutritious food.
More like powered by TRT and HRT.
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pellius do you think you could be as lean without trt?
Yes, but carrying even less muscle mass than I do now which would make people think that I've just been released from a concentration camp.
Anybody can be skinny if they really wanted to.
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More like powered by TRT and HRT.
They are used interchangeably.
Have you recovered yet knowing that I eat McDoubles? Just bought another two today.
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They are used interchangeably.
Have you recovered yet knowing that I eat McDoubles? Just bought another two today.
You can eat as much of that garbage as you would like. What do you do with all those happy meal toys you collect, Uncle Pellius?
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No it's not. You look like shit. And you are an idiot.
"McDonald's is not efficient"
"Environmental footprint."
"Predatory advertising."
You are the dumbest person on this thread.
Weakest comeback. ::)
LOL and you take hormones to look like that? Hahaha where is this superior attitude coming from? You look like a stack of desiccated chicken livers and you're essentially juiced to get that way.
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Yes, the environment footprint and predatory practices are devastating.
And imagine the success McDonald's would have if they ran an efficient business?
Maybe the confusion stems from differing concepts of what is morally right and what constitutes success in a civilized world.
If I recall correctly you're an proponent of moral relativism? This would explain the incongruous reactions to your claims about capitalism and it's effects. You may want to clarify this.
Also, when someone raises a question about quantitative easing within the framework of a free market, you can't just gloss over it.
The highly respectable posters in this thread deserve answers on this and your other outrageous claims.
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Maybe the confusion stems from differing concepts of what is morally right and what constitutes success in a civilized world.
If I recall correctly you're an proponent of moral relativism? This would explain the incongruous reactions to your claims about capitalism and it's effects. You may want to clarify this.
Also, when someone raises a question about quantitative easing within the framework of a free market, you can't just gloss over it.
The highly respectable posters in this thread deserve answers on this and your other outrageous claims.
Absolutely, positively wrong! You know I am a man of faith so how could you even think I am a proponent of moral relativism? It is anathema to all people of faith? One of the main differences between a theist and secularist is the theist believes that there are moral absolutes. It doesn't matter how you feel about it or that this is your culture or beliefs. One of the gifts of Judeaism is the ideal of Ethical Monotheism -- one God and one moral system that applies to everybody. It doesn't matter that sacrificing a virgin is part of your culture -- it's wrong. It's murder. Murder is ALWAYS wrong. ALWAYS.
Now this is not to say, as I know you like to pick apart every trivial detail that should be common sense to the less hostile and agenda driven, that there are gradations of evil: not all acts of stealing are equal and some are worse than others. And any act, in and of itself, is morally neutral, it is the context that determines it's morality. Cutting open a man's chest can be an act of ruthless violence or a delicate surgical procedure. The difference between self defense and murder. The difference between the expression of love and rape. Same act, difference context and therefore morally different.
And I can choose to address or gloss over anything I want within the given framework, which in this case was my pleasure in the lowering of the price of McDoubles. The fact that it morphed into something I would never have imagine was not my intention. And I don't consider monetary policy to stimulate the economy or lower inflation a moral issue.
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It is true, and abundantly clear, that you and I have a difference of opinion on what logic means. I use this word in the philosophical sense: the use of reasoning. I am simply pointing out that your reasoning is wanting. Via your logic / reasoning, you deduce a wild array of theories / attributes, whose inferences do not validly trace back from the initial facts.
If you genuinely seek truth, above all else, I would suggest that your chances of finding it will improve, if you use a more measured, analytical approach. This will result in a more productive dialog.
I will bow out at this juncture.
Enjoy the rest of your weekend.
I do not consider logic and reason to be a philosophical issue which I consider more abstract. Logic is much more concrete and follow specific rules, e.g., If the premises are true, if the argument is valid, then, perforce, the conclusion will be true. Mathematics would be a better example of pure reasoning and logic than philosophy.
So yes, we differ wildly in our definition of logic. And because you cannot follow my line of reasoning this does not automatically mean that my reasoning is "wanting". When I say that if a system promotes moral behavior then I consider it a moral system. Conversely, if a system produces immoral behavior, say, for example, Communism, then it is an immoral system. Or "evil" as Reagan so famously proclaimed. That line of reasoning is crystal clear to me. You may not agree, and/or don't accept the premises, but to proclaim it is lacking a measured analytical approach is just pretense. I mean, seriously, we've had discussions before. You think I just pull this stuff out of thin air? That I've never had this discussion before? That I'm not thought through? That I haven't spent a life time pondering the great issues of life?
Though you may think it to be so, and, more likely, want it to be so, this does not necessarily make it so. Or as one the books assigned to me in my symbolic logic class decades ago so "abstractly" put it:
"Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.”
-- Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass, and what Alice found there
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You can eat as much of that garbage as you would like. What do you do with all those happy meal toys you collect, Uncle Pellius?
I don't ever remember such a promotion. Who do you know? Do you really follow the going ons with McDonalds so closely. If so, why?
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Ok.
One personal story about so called McDonald's "food".
A few yrs ago I saw a vid about one supposed 6yr old cheeseburger.
Of course I didn't believe it and bought one to test this myself.
Also I wrote the date of purchase on the paper wrap.
I put that thingy in some cupboard and forgot about it.
After like maybe a year and 2 months later i found that thing again.
Opened it and well it didn't decompose.
Basically looked the same like at the day of purchase.
: /
I still kept it and maybe 2 yrs later i was curious.
Still no decomposing.
Pretty scary.
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Weakest comeback. ::)
LOL and you take hormones to look like that? Hahaha where is this superior attitude coming from? You look like a stack of desiccated chicken livers and you're essentially juiced to get that way.
No it's not. Which is why I have you melting like a bitch.
As far as how I look? Compare to what? If it's Gary Strydom or Robby Robinson, both who have built careers on their physique, then, yes I look like shit. Compared to the average 55 year old? 45 year old? 35 year old? Compared to you? Then I am way ahead of the game.
It's almost painful and even beneath me to even respond to you. Most people are wrongly referred to as dumb or stupid when they are just ignorant. They lack education or experience with the subject at hand and foolishly try to speak intelligently on the issue. But you really are stupid and dumb. Your cognitive abilities are simply lacking in all aspects. You simple lack the capacity to comprehend simple concepts. And one of the hallmarks of such staggering stupidity is the lack of awareness of how stupid you really are and come across. In short, you are too stupid to realize how stupid you really are.
Why do you avoid simple questions like if you believe McDonald's is not nutritious food then it would follow that if you eat only at McDonald's you would develop a nutrition deficiency and if you continue on you will get sick and eventually die from eating only at McDonald's? Do you believe that? Just answer the simple question base on an assertion YOU made.
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This thread... :D
the pictures of the Crypt Keeper's scrotum are top notch
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Ok.
One personal story about so called McDonald's "food".
A few yrs ago I saw a vid about one supposed 6yr old cheeseburger.
Of course I didn't believe it and bought one to test this myself.
Also I wrote the date of purchase on the paper wrap.
I put that thingy in some cupboard and forgot about it.
After like maybe a year and 2 months later i found that thing again.
Opened it and well it didn't decompose.
Basically looked the same like at the day of purchase.
: /
I still kept it and maybe 2 yrs later i was curious.
Still no decomposing.
Pretty scary.
Scary? Why?
This a perfect example of how different perspectives and propaganda
as well as a misunderstanding or unawareness that with all of life there are trade offs. For example, that fat, and absolutely essentially macro nutrient, is inherently bad and makes food junk (french fries compared to potatoes).
Another is that preservatives are a bad thing. Really? Compared to what? Compared to having rotten or insect infected food? It would be different (but not completely) if we each grew our own vegetables in our back yard and slay our meat and dress with our own hands. But the fact is our food is grown and raised in huge quantities and trucked, shipped and flown from across the nation and the world.
Impossible without insecticides and preservatives and why I consider a food that does not spoil a good thing. You think it's scary that a McDonald's burger doesn't rot. I think rotten food is scary as well as gross.
In an ideal world, I would always prefer a fresh burger made with freshly picked lettuce, freshly baked bread, and beef grounded from a cow in my backyard that was alive just an hour ago. But in real life if my choice is between a rotten burger that's been sitting for 3 days or one that's been sitting for 3 days full of preservatives but just 30 seconds in the micro and it's just like new.
Life is full of trade offs.
Anyway, picked up another four McDoubles with extra slime. Two for the drive home and one for breakfast tomorrow and one on hand to carry throughout the day in a hunger emergency. One thing I like about McDonald's burgers is that, like cockroaches, they last forever. I had one sitting on the counter for a couple of days and 30 sec in the microwave and it was as good as new. The melted cheese gave it that extra yum.
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Scary? Why?
Because it doesn't decompose.
Organic or natural food will start to decompose very soon.
Microorganisms will form or other organisms will get attracted to it and help decomposing.
This "food" gets avoided even by stupid microorganisms LOL.
Although my thoughts were more like "fuck, is it plastic or some shit?"
And i remembered Duchemin and Tricatel of the movie "The Wing or the Thigh" : )
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No it's not. Which is why I have you melting like a bitch.
As far as how I look? Compare to what? If it's Gary Strydom or Robby Robinson, both who have built careers on their physique, then, yes I look like shit. Compared to the average 55 year old? 45 year old? 35 year old? Compared to you? Then I am way ahead of the game.
It's almost painful and even beneath me to even respond to you. Most people are wrongly referred to as dumb or stupid when they are just ignorant. They lack education or experience with the subject at hand and foolishly try to speak intelligently on the issue. But you really are stupid and dumb. Your cognitive abilities are simply lacking in all aspects. You simple lack the capacity to comprehend simple concepts. And one of the hallmarks of such staggering stupidity is the lack of awareness of how stupid you really are and come across. In short, you are too stupid to realize how stupid you really are.
Why do you avoid simple questions like if you believe McDonald's is not nutritious food then it would follow that if you eat only at McDonald's you would develop a nutrition deficiency and if you continue on you will get sick and eventually die from eating only at McDonald's? Do you believe that? Just answer the simple question base on an assertion YOU made.
Yeah, it was a pretty lame comeback. And your definition of "melting" is pretty broad. If anyone sounds like an unhinged loon in this thread it's you. And you also look like you are literally melting.
You can call me dumb all you like, but even you know it's not true. I'm obviously a bright guy and that whole paragraph basically just amounts to the frustrated ramblings of an impotent keysmasher. But, ooh wait! You said I'm too dumb to realize how dumb I am. Guess the fact that some creepy, old perv I'm arguing with on the internet didn't convince me I'm stupid by calling me stupid proves that, right? ::)
And I didn't avoid any question. Just as you are entitled to gloss over whatever you see fit and respond to whatever you think is relevant, so am I. I corrected you when you misrepresented the guy who lost weight on a McDonald's diet and I also corrected you when you tried to conflate your very specific claim that "McDoubles are nutritious" with a broader "you can eat a nutritious diet at mcdonalds". If you need further clarification, if you define "nutritious" as food containing nutrients that will keep you from dying, then yes, McDoubles are nutritious. If you use the more common definition- promoting good health- then they are not. And it is as simple as that. If a parent made McDoubles a regular, consistent part of their children's diet it would be detrimental to their health. It would put them at much greater risk of obesity and cardiovascular disease.
Also, this is a response to someone else, but it goes to a point I made earlier which, apparently, you are too smart to comprehend.
So yes, we differ wildly in our definition of logic. And because you cannot follow my line of reasoning this does not automatically mean that my reasoning is "wanting". When I say that if a system promotes moral behavior then I consider it a moral system. Conversely, if a system produces immoral behavior, say, for example, Communism, then it is an immoral system. Or "evil" as Reagan so famously proclaimed. That line of reasoning is crystal clear to me. You may not agree, and/or don't accept the premises, but to proclaim it is lacking a measured analytical approach is just pretense. I mean, seriously, we've had discussions before. You think I just pull this stuff out of thin air? That I've never had this discussion before? That I'm not thought through? That I haven't spent a life time pondering the great issues of life?
This only makes sense as a hard-and-fast rule when you are absurdly selective about what you consider moral behavior. You can find immoral behavior produced by any social system. You are just willing to gloss over what doesn't fit your agenda and highlight whatever suits it, which shows your complete lack of logic in the matter.
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Scary? Why?
This a perfect example of how different perspectives and propaganda
as well as a misunderstanding or unawareness that with all of life there are trade offs. For example, that fat, and absolutely essentially macro nutrient, is inherently bad and makes food junk (french fries compared to potatoes).
Another is that preservatives are a bad thing. Really? Compared to what? Compared to having rotten or insect infected food? It would be different (but not completely) if we each grew our own vegetables in our back yard and slay our meat and dress with our own hands. But the fact is our food is grown and raised in huge quantities and trucked, shipped and flown from across the nation and the world.
Impossible without insecticides and preservatives and why I consider a food that does not spoil a good thing. You think it's scary that a McDonald's burger doesn't rot. I think rotten food is scary as well as gross.
In an ideal world, I would always prefer a fresh burger made with freshly picked lettuce, freshly baked bread, and beef grounded from a cow in my backyard that was alive just an hour ago. But in real life if my choice is between a rotten burger that's been sitting for 3 days or one that's been sitting for 3 days full of preservatives but just 30 seconds in the micro and it's just like new.
Life is full of trade offs.
I agree with this post. There is a reason why the life expectancy has jumped 30+ years. The availability of clean drinking water, The advances in medicine, and the advent of "processed" and properly cooked foods.
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Because it doesn't decompose.
Organic or natural food will start to decompose very soon.
Microorganisms will form or other organisms will get attracted to it and help decomposing.
This "food" gets avoided even by stupid microorganisms LOL.
Although my thoughts were more like "fuck, is it plastic or some shit?"
And i remembered Duchemin and Tricatel of the movie "The Wing or the Thigh" : )
Uh, you can do that with ANY food . Doesn't matter what it is.
The Burger Lab: Revisiting the Myth of The 12-Year Old McDonald's Burger That Just Won't Rot (Testing Results!)
Nov 5, 2010
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A few weeks back, I started an experiment designed to prove or disprove whether or not the magic, non-decomposing McDonald's hamburgers that have been making their way around the internet are indeed worthy of disgust or even interest.
By way of introduction, allow myself to quote myself. This is from myprevious article:
Back in 2008, Karen Hanrahan, of the blog Best of Mother Earth posted a picture of a hamburger that she uses as a prop for a class she teaches on how to help parents keep their children away from junk food... The hamburger she's been using as a prop is the same plain McDonald's hamburger she's been using for what's now going on 14 years. It looks pretty much identical to how it did the day she bought it, and she's not had to use any means of preservation. The burger travels with her, and sits at room temperature.
Now Karen is neither the first nor last to document this very same phenomenon. Artist Sally Davies photographs her 137 day-old hamburger every day for her Happy Meal Art Project. Nonna Joann has chosen to store her happy meal for a year on her blog rather than feed it to her kids. Dozens of other examples exist, and most of them come to the same conclusion: McDonald's hamburgers don't rot.
The problem with coming to that conclusion, of course, is that if you are a believer in science (and I certainly hope you are!), in order to make a conclusion, you must first start with a few observable premises as a starting point with which you form a theorem, followed by a reasonably rigorous experiment with controls built in place to verify the validity of that theorem.
Thus far, I haven't located a single source that treats this McDonald's hamburger phenomenon in this fashion. Instead, most rely on speculation, specious reasoning, and downright obtuseness to arrive at the conclusion that a McDonald's burger "is a chemical food[, with] absolutely no nutrition."
As I said before, that kind of conclusion is both sensationalistic and specious, and has no place in any of the respectable academic circles which A Hamburger Today would like to consider itself an upstanding member of.
The Theory Behind the Burger
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Things we know so far:
A plain McDonald's Hamburger, when left out in the open air, does not mold or decompose.
In order for mold to grow, a few things need to be present: mold spores, air, moisture, and a reasonably hospitable climate
Given those two facts, there are a number of theories as to why a McDonald's burger might not rot:
There is some kind of chemical preservative in the beef and/or bun and/or the wrapping that is not found in a normal burger and/or bun that creates an inhospitable environment for mold to grow.
The high salt level of a McDonald's burger is preventing the burger from rotting.
The small size of a McDonald's hamburger is allowing it to dehydrate fast enough that there is not enough moisture present for mold to grow
There are no mold spores present on McDonald's hamburgers, nor in the air in and around where the burgers were stored.
There is no air in the the environment where the McDonald's hamburgers were stored
There's mold everywhere.
Of these theories, we can immediately eliminate 5, for reasons too obvious to enumerate. As for number 4, it's probably true that there are no live molds on a hamburger when you first receive it, as they are cooked on an extremely hot griddle from both sides to an internal temperature of at least 165°F—hot enough to destroy any mold. But in the air where they were stored? Most likely there's mold present. There's mold everywhere.
Theory 1 is the one most often concluded in the various blogs out there, but there doesn't seem to be strong evidence one way or the other. If we are to believe packaging and nutrition labeling (and I see no reason not to), there are preservatives in a McDonald's bun, but no more than in your average loaf of bread from the supermarket. A regular loaf of supermarket bread certainly rots, so why not the McD's? Their beef is also (according to them) 100% ground beef, so nothing funny going on there, is there?
In order for any test to be considered valid, you need to include a control. Something in which you already know whether or not the variable being tested is present.
In the case of these burgers, that means testing a McDonald's burger against a burger that is absolutely known not to contain anything but beef. The only way to do this, of course, is to cook it myself from natural beef ground at home.
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I decided to design a series of tests in order to ascertain the likeliness of each one of these separate scenarios (with the exception of the no-air theory, which frankly, doesn't hold wind—get it?). Here's what I had in mind:
Sample 1: A plain McDonald's hamburger stored on a plate in the open air outside of its wrapper.
Sample 2: A plain burger made from home-ground fresh all-natural chuck of the exact dimensions as the McDonald's burger, on a standard store-bought toasted bun.
Sample 3: A plain burger with a home-ground patty, but a McDonald's bun.
Sample 4: A plain burger with a McDonald's patty on a store-bought bun.*
Sample 5: A plain McDonald's burger stored in its original packaging.
Sample 6: A plain McDonald's burger made without any salt, stored in the open air.
Sample 7: A plain McDonald's Quarter Pounder, stored in the open air.
Sample 8: A homemade burger the exact dimension of a McDonald's Quarter Pounder.
Sample 9:A plain McDonald's Angus Third Pounder, stored in the open air
*To read about the fascinating manner in which I procured these plain patties, please refer to the original post.
You may notice that my protocols have been slightly expanded since I first laid them out to you a few weeks ago. That's due to several good ideas in the comments section which I incorporated into my testing the day after the initial publication.
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Every day, I monitored the progress of the burgers, weighing each one, and carefully checking for spots of mold growth or other indications of decay. The burgers were left in the open air, but handled only with clean kitchen tools or through clean plastic bags (no direct contact with my hands until the last day).
At this point, it's been 25 days, 23 calm, cool, and collected discussions with my wife about whether that smell in the apartment is coming from the burgers or from the dog, and 16 nights spent sleeping on the couch in the aftermath of those calm, cool, and collected discussions. Asides from my mother, my wife is the fiercest discusser I know.
Frankly, I'm glad this damn experiment is over. On to the results.
The Results(http://aht.seriouseats.com/images/20101014-aging-burger-3.jpg)
Well, well, well. Turns out that not only did the regular McDonald's burgers not rot, but the home-ground burgers did not rot either. Samples one through five had shrunk a bit (especially the beef patties), but they showed no signs of decomposition. What does this mean?
It means that there's nothing that strange about a McDonald's burger not rotting. Any burger of the same shape will act the same way. The real question is, why?
Well, here's another piece of evidence: Burger number 6, made with no salt, did not rot either, indicating that the salt level has nothing to do with it.
And then we get to the burgers that did show some signs of decay.
Take a look at both the homemade and the McDonald's Quarter Pounder patties:
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Very interesting indeed. Sure, there's a slight difference in the actual amount of mold grown, and the homemade patty on the right seems to have shrunk more than the actual Quarter Pounder on the left (I blame that mostly on the way the patties were formed), but on the whole, the results are remarkably similar. That a Quarter Pounder grows mold but a regular-sized McDonald's burger doesn't is some pretty strong evidence in support of Theory 3 from above. Because of the larger size of a Quarter Pounder, it simply takes longer to dehydrate, giving mold more of a chance to grow.
We can prove this by examining the weight charts between the regular burger and the Quarter Pounder. Take a look:
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This chart represents the amount of weight lost from the burgers through evaporation every day (both starting weights have been normalized to 1). As you can see, by the end of 2 weeks, both the regular burgers and the Quarter Pounders ended up losing about 31% of their total weight and are pretty much stable. They are essentially burger-jerky. A completely dehydrated product that will never rot, as without moisture, nothing can survive.
93% of the moisture loss in a regular burger occurs within the first three days
Now the interesting part of the charts is during the first 4 days. As you can see, the blue line representing the regular burger dips down much more precipitously than the red line representing the Quarter Pounder. In fact, 93% of the moisture loss in a regular burger occurs within the first three days, which means that unless mold gets a chance to grow within that time frame, it's pretty much never going to grow.
The Quarter Pounder, on the other hand, takes a full 7 days to dehydrate to the same degree. It's during this extra three day period that the mold growth began to appear (and of course, once the burger had dehydrated sufficiently, the mold growth stopped—the burger looked the same on day 14 as they did on day 7). For the record, the Angus Third Pounder also showed a similar degree of mold growth in the same time frame.
So Can It Mold?
So we've pretty much cleared up all of the confusion, but a keen scientist will notice that one question remains to be answered. We've proven that neither a McDonald's burger nor a regular home-made burger will rot given certain specific conditions, but are there conditions we can create that will cause it to rot, and more importantly, will the McDonald's burger rot as fast as the homemade burger?
The final two burgers I tested were a McDonald's burger and a regular homemade burger of the same dimensions placed in plastic zipper-lock bags side by side. Hopefully the bag would trap in enough moisture. The question: Would they rot?
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Indeed they do. Within a week, both burgers were nearly covered in little white spots of mold, eventually turning into the green and black spotted beast you see above.
The Conclusion
how do you think beef jerky is made?
So there we have it! Pretty strong evidence in favor of Theory 3: the burger doesn't rot because it's small size and relatively large surface area help it to lose moisture very fast. Without moisture, there's no mold or bacterial growth. Of course, that the meat is pretty much sterile to begin with due to the high cooking temperature helps things along as well. It's not really surprising. Humans have known about this phenomenon for thousands of years. After all, how do you think beef jerky is made?
Now don't get me wrong—I don't have a dog in this fight either way. I really couldn't care less whether or not the McDonald's burger rotted or didn't. I don't often eat their burgers, and will continue to not often eat their burgers. My problem is not with McDonald's. My problem is with bad science.
For all of you McDonald's haters out there: Don't worry. There are still plenty of reasons to dislike the company! But for now, I hope you'll have it my way and put aside your beef with their beef.
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This thread is proof that any topic has the chance to become popular on Getbig.
A sale on cheeseburgers turns into 10+ pages of morality :D
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Absolutely, positively wrong! You know I am a man of faith so how could you even think I am a proponent of moral relativism? It is anathema to all people of faith? One of the main differences between a theist and secularist is the theist believes that there are moral absolutes. It doesn't matter how you feel about it or that this is your culture or beliefs. One of the gifts of Judeaism is the ideal of Ethical Monotheism -- one God and one moral system that applies to everybody. It doesn't matter that sacrificing a virgin is part of your culture -- it's wrong. It's murder. Murder is ALWAYS wrong. ALWAYS.
Now this is not to say, as I know you like to pick apart every trivial detail that should be common sense to the less hostile and agenda driven, that there are gradations of evil: not all acts of stealing are equal and some are worse than others. And any act, in and of itself, is morally neutral, it is the context that determines it's morality. Cutting open a man's chest can be an act of ruthless violence or a delicate surgical procedure. The difference between self defense and murder. The difference between the expression of love and rape. Same act, difference context and therefore morally different.
And I can choose to address or gloss over anything I want within the given framework, which in this case was my pleasure in the lowering of the price of McDoubles. The fact that it morphed into something I would never have imagine was not my intention. And I don't consider monetary policy to stimulate the economy or lower inflation a moral issue.
If you want to try again to pick a position on morality ie. for or against relativism that would clear things up. If morality is dependent on context it cannot be absolute. This is what will upset and confuse fine upstanding gentlemen like Al Doggity et al. It's amusing to see you contradict yourself so boldly. Thanks. That doesn't excuse your highly provocative claims. Considered tempering your sentiments. Maybe have a cup of tea prior to logging on tomorrow.
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Question: Why did the Halloween Happy Meals in the plastic bucket, early 90's, taste 10x better as a kid?
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Put one of these burgers out in the sun and see if the flies will eat it.
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Put one of these burgers out in the sun and see if the flies will eat it.
They will. Why wouldn't they?
You can make the conditions to preserve any food if you want.
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They will. Why wouldn't they?
You can make the conditions to preserve any food if you want.
http://consumerist.com/2014/05/13/dont-believe-the-social-media-hype-no-mcdonalds-doesnt-use-pink-slime-in-burgers/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/guy-recipe.html
Why did they stop?
"After years of trying to break America, Jamie Oliver has finally made his mark by persuading one of the biggest U.S fast food chains in the world to change their burger recipe.
McDonald's have altered the ingredients after the Naked Chef forced them to remove a processed food type that he labelled 'pink slime'.
The food activist was shocked when he learned that ammonium hydroxide was being used by McDonald's to convert fatty beef offcuts into a beef filler for its burgers in the USA.
The filler product made headlines after he denounced it on his show, Jamie Oliver’s Food Revolution.
'Basically, we’re taking a product that would be sold at the cheapest form for dogs and after this process we can give it to humans' said the TV chef.
Jamie showed American audiences the raw 'pink slime' produced in the ammonium hydroxide process used by producers named Beef Products Inc (BPI).
'Pink slime' has never been used in McDonald's beef patties in the UK and Ireland which source their meat from farmers within the two countries.
Now after months of campaigning on his hit US television show McDonald's have admitted defeat and the fast food giant has abandoned the beef filler from its burger patties.
US Department of Agriculture microbiologist Geral Zirnstein agreed with Jamie that ammonium hydroxide agent should be banned."
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/guy-recipe.html#ixzz3wyMHuoQU
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http://consumerist.com/2014/05/13/dont-believe-the-social-media-hype-no-mcdonalds-doesnt-use-pink-slime-in-burgers/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/guy-recipe.html
Why did they stop?
"After years of trying to break America, Jamie Oliver has finally made his mark by persuading one of the biggest U.S fast food chains in the world to change their burger recipe.
McDonald's have altered the ingredients after the Naked Chef forced them to remove a processed food type that he labelled 'pink slime'.
The food activist was shocked when he learned that ammonium hydroxide was being used by McDonald's to convert fatty beef offcuts into a beef filler for its burgers in the USA.
The filler product made headlines after he denounced it on his show, Jamie Oliver’s Food Revolution.
'Basically, we’re taking a product that would be sold at the cheapest form for dogs and after this process we can give it to humans' said the TV chef.
Jamie showed American audiences the raw 'pink slime' produced in the ammonium hydroxide process used by producers named Beef Products Inc (BPI).
'Pink slime' has never been used in McDonald's beef patties in the UK and Ireland which source their meat from farmers within the two countries.
Now after months of campaigning on his hit US television show McDonald's have admitted defeat and the fast food giant has abandoned the beef filler from its burger patties.
US Department of Agriculture microbiologist Geral Zirnstein agreed with Jamie that ammonium hydroxide agent should be banned."
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/guy-recipe.html#ixzz3wyMHuoQU
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This is not true though.
The burgers have never been "pink slime".
The McNuggets used to be, but they changed that.
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This is not true though.
The burgers have never been "pink slime".
The McNuggets used to be, but they changed that.
Source?
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Source?
Easily found online.
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Easily found online.
You need to get your facts straight.
http://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en/your_questions/our_food/have-you-ever-used-pink-slime-in-your-burgers.html
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You need to get your facts straight.
http://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en/your_questions/our_food/have-you-ever-used-pink-slime-in-your-burgers.html
Mechanically separated poultry (MSP) is a paste-like and batter-like poultry product produced by forcing bones, with attached edible tissue, through a sieve or similar device under high pressure to separate bone from the edible tissue. Mechanically separated poultry has been used in poultry products since the late 1960's. In 1995, a final rule on mechanically separated poultry said it was safe and could be used without restrictions. However, it must be labeled as "mechanically separated chicken or turkey" in the product's ingredients statement. The final rule became effective November 4, 1996. Hot dogs can contain any amount of mechanically separated chicken or turkey.
Finely textured beef isn't "Pink Slime"
MSP is Pink Slime.
One is not finely textured and is a paste substance.
Perhaps it's the definition that needs to be amended.
My facts are accurate.
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http://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en/your_questions/our_food/do-you-use-so-called-pink-goop-in-your-chicken-mcnuggets.html
No, our Chicken McNuggets do not contain what some people call 'pink slime' or 'pink goop.'
We've seen the photo of 'pink goop' or "pink slime" in association with McDonald's. Let's set the record straight: this image in connection with McDonald's is a myth. In fact, we don't know where it came from, but it's not our food. The photo is not a representation of how we create our Chicken McNuggets, or for that matter, any item on our menu.
Each and every one of our Chicken McNuggets are made with USDA inspected boneless white meat chicken — cut from the chicken breast, tenderloins and rib meat.
Still curious about what's in a Chicken McNugget? See all of its ingredients.
So their "white meat" chicken nuggets are made from parital rib meat??? So their chicken nuggets are not all breast meat but they are white meat? OK so I'm guessing they a\can legally call them white meat as long as they are white inside. Hmmmm I wonder how they turn all the meat white?
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http://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en/your_questions/our_food/do-you-use-so-called-pink-goop-in-your-chicken-mcnuggets.html
No, our Chicken McNuggets do not contain what some people call 'pink slime' or 'pink goop.'
We've seen the photo of 'pink goop' or "pink slime" in association with McDonald's. Let's set the record straight: this image in connection with McDonald's is a myth. In fact, we don't know where it came from, but it's not our food. The photo is not a representation of how we create our Chicken McNuggets, or for that matter, any item on our menu.
Each and every one of our Chicken McNuggets are made with USDA inspected boneless white meat chicken — cut from the chicken breast, tenderloins and rib meat.
Still curious about what's in a Chicken McNugget? See all of its ingredients.
So their "white meat" chicken nuggets are made from parital rib meat??? So their chicken nuggets are not all breast meat but they are white meat? OK so I'm guessing they a\can legally call them white meat as long as they are white inside. Hmmmm I wonder how they turn all the meat white?
That is now... not previously.
Again, I'm specifically talking about the previous chicken mcnugget and the MSP they used to use.
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Absolutely, positively wrong! You know I am a man of faith so how could you even think I am a proponent of moral relativism? It is anathema to all people of faith? One of the main differences between a theist and secularist is the theist believes that there are moral absolutes. It doesn't matter how you feel about it or that this is your culture or beliefs. One of the gifts of Judeaism is the ideal of Ethical Monotheism -- one God and one moral system that applies to everybody. It doesn't matter that sacrificing a virgin is part of your culture -- it's wrong. It's murder. Murder is ALWAYS wrong. ALWAYS.
Now this is not to say, as I know you like to pick apart every trivial detail that should be common sense to the less hostile and agenda driven, that there are gradations of evil: not all acts of stealing are equal and some are worse than others. And any act, in and of itself, is morally neutral, it is the context that determines it's morality. Cutting open a man's chest can be an act of ruthless violence or a delicate surgical procedure. The difference between self defense and murder. The difference between the expression of love and rape. Same act, difference context and therefore morally different.
And I can choose to address or gloss over anything I want within the given framework, which in this case was my pleasure in the lowering of the price of McDoubles. The fact that it morphed into something I would never have imagine was not my intention. And I don't consider monetary policy to stimulate the economy or lower inflation a moral issue.
Pellius, since you're such an authority on morality, please give me your take on the following hypothetical. Let's say one was working as a security guard, and 7 of your co-workers, some as old as 45, were taking advantage of and engaging in sexual relations with an under aged precocious 13 year old girl. Would this behavior in your eyes be moral, or immoral? If alerted to such a scenario, would you object and alert the authorities? Also, would you feel and act similarly if the hypothetical girl in this case were your daughter?
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Put one of these burgers out in the sun and see if the flies will eat it.
If flies avoid it then that's another plus in my book.
What a great country this is that we can produce a burger that contains 100% ground beef that never goes bad and flies, and hopefully other pests, avoid.
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Pellius, since you're such an authority on morality, please give me your take on the following hypothetical. Let's say one was working as a security guard, and 7 of your co-workers, some as old as 45, were taking advantage of and engaging in sexual relations with an under aged precocious 13 year old girl. Would this behavior in your eyes be moral, or immoral? If alerted to such a scenario, would you object and alert the authorities? Also, would you feel and act similarly if the hypothetical girl in this case were your daughter?
There's a 104 page thread on that. Every answer to any and all questions on that subject has been addressed.
Now it's your turn: Why are you so fanatical with your hatred of McDonald's that you will tell blatant lies. Lies that are easily, and has been on this thread, proven to be lies?
Even more importantly why do you care that I go to McDonald's and why do you care what I eat? It can't possibly be because you care about my health and well being. So this is a complete mystery to me. Perhaps you can clear that up.
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Someone body better tell NBC they got their story wrong. ::)
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/business/mcdonalds-pink-slime--138457219.html
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Someone body better tell NBC they got their story wrong. ::)
http://usnews.guy-meat
What the hell kind of url is that?
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There's a 104 page thread on that. Every answer to any and all questions on that subject has been addressed.
Now it's your turn: Why are you so fanatical with your hatred of McDonald's that you will tell blatant lies. Lies that are easily, and has been on this thread, proven to be lies?
Even more importantly why do you care that I go to McDonald's and why do you care what I eat? It can't possibly be because you care about my health and well being. So this is a complete mystery to me. Perhaps you can clear that up.
I was merely presenting a hypothetical. You seem more than willing to grandstand with false moral authority in other instances. Why are you dodging the questions now? Evidently you only give your opinion when its not asked for. You don't have a leg to stand on.
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Someone body better tell NBC they got their story wrong. ::)
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/business/mcdonalds-pink-slime--138457219.html
I just sent them an email about how their 4 year old article was incorrect.
Thanks!
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I just sent them an email about how their 4 year old article was incorrect.
Thanks!
Who cares how old it is. First you said they never used that in the beef now it's irreverent cause it's old news. ::) I don't care how old it is they were using that shit until they got busted.
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Who cares how old it is. First you said they never used that in the beef now it's irreverent cause it's old news. ::) I don't care how old it is they were using that shit until they got busted.
I didn't say it was because it was "old news".
I said I emailed them stating their article was incorrect and I thanked you for notifying me about their incorrect report.
You seem to be angry about something, but I'm not sure what is important enough to warrant your anger?
Are you angry at me or McDonald's? NBC for reporting incorrect information?
Why are you angry? Do you need to talk about it? I'm here to listen if you need to let it out. Semi-Homo.
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Who cares how old it is. First you said they never used that in the beef now it's irreverent cause it's old news. ::) I don't care how old it is they were using that shit until they got busted.
Exactly. And had they not gotten busted, there's little doubt the practice would have continued.
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If you want to try again to pick a position on morality ie. for or against relativism that would clear things up. If morality is dependent on context it cannot be absolute. This is what will upset and confuse fine upstanding gentlemen like Al Doggity et al. It's amusing to see you contradict yourself so boldly. Thanks. That doesn't excuse your highly provocative claims. Considered tempering your sentiments. Maybe have a cup of tea prior to logging on tomorrow.
I already picked a position on morality. Because you don't understand it and don't know the meaning of absolute versus moral relativism is more a problem with you than with me. But, if you are honest, and you are not, it is not my ideas and beliefs that matter to you. You simply have an issue with me personally even though our very first encounter was you contacting me to help you get back on the gh15 board from which you were banned. A favor which I granted to a complete stranger without even knowing the circumstance involved. And never ever a thanks or acknowledgement. Quite a reflection on your character. When anyone does a favor for me, no matter how small, I don't forget it.
I could claim 2+2=4 and even lay out 2 pairs of sticks and bring them together and count out the sticks and still you would not concur. Having to agree with me with far more distasteful to you than seeking truth. The fact that you claim that "there isn't a thread of evidence" that the US has ever done anything good in this world exposes your bias. Even when I point out the difference between South Korea and North Korea. There would be no South Korea if it wasn't for the US and all of Korea would be the hell hole that is North.
But I will further clarify moral absolutes and moral relativism, not for you, because it doesn't matter, but for others who perhaps have never thought of it in those terms, i.e., that it is the context that determines the moral nature of an act which is not relativism in the context of morality. And it's not because they are stupid or dumb like All Doggity but rather it is something that they didn't really give much though to.
Is killing another human being wrong and immoral? Well, I don't know. Killing in and of itself is morally neutral. It is the context that will determine it's morality. If done to protect innocent lives, such as when someone walks into a work place and starts randomly shooting and killing people, then yes. Killing that person is right and the moral thing to do. Absolutely moral. Not if someone intentionally kills an innocent person then that is wrong and immoral. Absolutely immoral. That is murder, and murder, a subset of killing, is immoral.
To equate the two is moral relativism. It's similar to a bumper sticker I saw years ago on a hand painted VW bus with a prominent peace sign on the back. The bumper sticker read: "Why do we kill people, who kill people, to teach people that killing is wrong?"
They think they are being clever and most people will be respond with a "Hey, that's a good point." But killing people is not always wrong, and equating the killing of a murderer with the killing of an innocent person is moral relativism. Saying that some sins in the same class are worse than others is not moral relativism. For example, stealing all the packets of Sweet and Low at a restaurant versus robbing a bank. Both are stealing but one is far worse than the other.
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Exactly. And had they not gotten busted, there's little doubt the practice would have continued.
It's all about money and always will be.
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I didn't say it was because it was "old news".
I said I emailed them stating their article was incorrect and I thanked you for notifying me about their incorrect report.
You seem to be angry about something, but I'm not sure what is important enough to warrant your anger?
Are you angry at me or McDonald's? NBC for reporting incorrect information?
Why are you angry? Do you need to talk about it? I'm here to listen if you need to let it out. Semi-Homo.
Once again your facts are wrong. Do a little more research before you act like you know what you are talking about.
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Once again your facts are wrong. Do a little more research before you act like you know what you are talking about.
Ok dude.
Whatever you say.
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I already picked a position on morality. Because you don't understand it and don't know the meaning of absolute versus moral relativism is more a problem with you than with me. But, if you are honest, and you are not, it is not my ideas and beliefs that matter to you. You simply have an issue with me personally even though our very first encounter was you contacting me to help you get back on the gh15 board from which you were banned. A favor which I granted to a complete stranger without even knowing the circumstance involved. And never ever a thanks or acknowledgement. Quite a reflection on your character. When anyone does a favor for me, no matter how small, I don't forget it.
I could claim 2+2=4 and even lay out 2 pairs of sticks and bring them together and count out the sticks and still you would not concur. Having to agree with me with far more distasteful to you than seeking truth. The fact that you claim that "there isn't a thread of evidence" that the US has ever done anything good in this world exposes your bias. Even when I point out the difference between South Korea and North Korea. There would be no South Korea if it wasn't for the US and all of Korea would be the hell hole that is North.
But I will further clarify moral absolutes and moral relativism, not for you, because it doesn't matter, but for others who perhaps have never thought of it in those terms, i.e., that it is the context that determines the moral nature of an act which is not relativism in the context of morality. And it's not because they are stupid or dumb like All Doggity but rather it is something that they didn't really give much though to.
Is killing another human being wrong and immoral? Well, I don't know. Killing in and of itself is morally neutral. It is the context that will determine it's morality. If done to protect innocent lives, such as when someone walks into a work place and starts randomly shooting and killing people, then yes. Killing that person is right and the moral thing to do. Absolutely moral. Not if someone intentionally kills an innocent person then that is wrong and immoral. Absolutely immoral. That is murder, and murder, a subset of killing, is immoral.
To equate the two is moral relativism. It's similar to a bumper sticker I saw years ago on a hand painted VW bus with a prominent peace sign on the back. The bumper sticker read: "Why do we kill people, who kill people, to teach people that killing is wrong?"
They think they are being clever and most people will be respond with a "Hey, that's a good point." But killing people is not always wrong, and equating the killing of a murderer with the killing of an innocent person is moral relativism. Saying that some sins in the same class are worse than others is not moral relativism. For example, stealing all the packets of Sweet and Low at a restaurant versus robbing a bank. Both are stealing but one is far worse than the other.
You don't have a leg to stand on to lecture anyone on morality. When your own immorality gets exposed, you couldn't be more evasive. You pretend to have morals and virtues that you do not possess. You cloak your wrong doings under the guise of some sort of twisted justified "context", to absolve yourself.
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It's all about money and always will be.
So true. We know why McDonalds would do it, but why would there be those that would blindly defend them having done so? Seems rather inexplicable.
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Yeah, it was a pretty lame comeback. And your definition of "melting" is pretty broad. If anyone sounds like an unhinged loon in this thread it's you. And you also look like you are literally melting.
You can call me dumb all you like, but even you know it's not true. I'm obviously a bright guy and that whole paragraph basically just amounts to the frustrated ramblings of an impotent keysmasher. But, ooh wait! You said I'm too dumb to realize how dumb I am. Guess the fact that some creepy, old perv I'm arguing with on the internet didn't convince me I'm stupid by calling me stupid proves that, right? ::)
And I didn't avoid any question. Just as you are entitled to gloss over whatever you see fit and respond to whatever you think is relevant, so am I. I corrected you when you misrepresented the guy who lost weight on a McDonald's diet and I also corrected you when you tried to conflate your very specific claim that "McDoubles are nutritious" with a broader "you can eat a nutritious diet at mcdonalds". If you need further clarification, if you define "nutritious" as food containing nutrients that will keep you from dying, then yes, McDoubles are nutritious. If you use the more common definition- promoting good health- then they are not. And it is as simple as that. If a parent made McDoubles a regular, consistent part of their children's diet it would be detrimental to their health. It would put them at much greater risk of obesity and cardiovascular disease.
Also, this is a response to someone else, but it goes to a point I made earlier which, apparently, you are too smart to comprehend.
This only makes sense as a hard-and-fast rule when you are absurdly selective about what you consider moral behavior. You can find immoral behavior produced by any social system. You are just willing to gloss over what doesn't fit your agenda and highlight whatever suits it, which shows your complete lack of logic in the matter.
I saved you for last not because you are my favorite but because I want to spend less and less time with you as you truly are a stupid person and everything I say is beyond your realm of comprehension. You're like the kid who wants to participate in an economic discussion by asking, "Why don't we make all houses cost just a dollar?" "Ha, ha. Sure kid," as I pat you condescendingly on the head, "we'll get right to that. But just take a seat over there for a minute."
In fact, that's what makes you somewhat interesting. How does someone, without a mental disease, which I don't think you have, get so stupid? I surmise that because your stupidy is so profound that you had to be taught to be stupid. You had to work and develop your stupidity. Such can often be accomplished by going to some Liberal, Leftist University. You're mention of "environmental footprints" and "predatory advertising" leads me to that speculation.
I was intending to address your issues but just at this very moment decided not to bother. Your statement, "I'm obviously a bright guy..." was just too gut busting. Like I said before, you are so stupid that you really don't know how stupid you really are and therefore there's no hope to escaping your stupidity on your own.
But I will note that now you are changing your tune. First you make up your definition of nutritious as "promoting good health" as the common definition. No it's not. Where did you get that lame idea? I know, it's because you are stupid. Lets take the macro nutrient, carbohydrates. It's a nutrient by definition and therefore nutritious but it does not necessary follow that carbs per se promote good health. It may or may not. Depends how it is used or abused. Same with a vitamin, a micro nutrient. If you take too much this will not improve your health and is often detrimental. There was a recent study proving that too much fish oil can have detrimental effects.
And though you now agree, because I've forced you to by exposing your stupidity, that McDoubles have nutrition and that McDonald's is nutritious; you've now changed from not being able to maintain good health from eating at McDonalds to JUST eating McDoubles.
You lose again dummy.
Now try to get out of the claim that McDonald's, the number one most successful fast food chain in the country in 2014, beating out BK, Pizza Hut, Jack-in-the-Box, Carl's Jr, Papa Johns, Quiznos, KFC.... all fabulously successful chains in their own rights, is not run efficiently.
You might want to bow out of this thread gracefully and go be stupid somewhere else.
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Maybe the confusion stems from differing concepts of what is morally right and what constitutes success in a civilized world.
If I recall correctly you're an proponent of moral relativism? This would explain the incongruous reactions to your claims about capitalism and it's effects. You may want to clarify this.
Also, when someone raises a question about quantitative easing within the framework of a free market, you can't just gloss over it.
The highly respectable posters in this thread deserve answers on this and your other outrageous claims.
Pellius conveniently glosses over valid counter points. He claims the existence of a true free market within which McDonalds operates, then completely avoids the fact that they (McDonalds) were allowed to illegally raise prices during price controls, while their competition was not. He scoffs at the mere suggestion that the markets are anything but free, but has no concept of ZIRP or quantitative easing. I won't even mention the Libor scandal, as it would confuse him all the more. He tries and fails to punch above his weight class.
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I was merely presenting a hypothetical. You seem more than willing to grandstand with false moral authority in other instances. Why are you dodging the questions now? Evidently you only give your opinion when its not asked for. You don't have a leg to stand on.
No it wasn't "merely presenting a hypothetical:. Lying has become so ingrained in you that now it's just part of your naturel that I don't think you even know you're lying. Anybody familiar with the topic knows you just pulled it out of the thread I mentioned. And I certainly am not and did not avoid the question. It has been addressed ad nauseam. In over a hundred pages. It went on so endlessly with me taking all comers and responding to comments that it had to closed. I am not going to rehash a now banned topic that has already been beaten to death.
Now, since my answer to your question has already been given in agonizing detail, why don't you answer my question? I'm sure I'm not the only one somewhat curious as to your rabid hatred for McDonald's and your fanatical concern for what other people eat that you'd be willing to tell provable lies.
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Pellius conveniently glosses over valid counter points. He claims the existence of a true free market within which McDonalds operates, then completely avoids the fact that they (McDonalds) were allowed to illegally raise prices during price controls, while their competition was not. He scoffs at the mere suggestion that the markets are anything but free, but has no concept of ZIRP or quantitative easing. I won't even mentioned the Libor scandal, as it would confuse him all the more. He tries and fails to punch above his weight class.
Once again you lie. What is wrong with you. I specifically pointed out, and did so again when you lied about what I said, our market is not "totally free". There's obviously regulations. I acknowledge that.
You are a horrible person without a shred of honor and therefore not a man.
What a miserable life you must live obsessing over other people and how they live their lives.
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If flies avoid it then that's another plus in my book.
What a great country this is that we can produce a burger that contains 100% ground beef that never goes bad and flies, and hopefully other pests, avoid.
McDonalds could fill their "meat" with embalming fluid and you'd espouse the benefits. Knowing McDonalds, they've already tried it.
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McDonalds could fill their "meat" with embalming fluid and you'd espouse the benefits. Knowing McDonalds, they've already tried it.
And that bothers you why? Still avoiding that question because maybe you don't even know why you have this pathology?
Look at what I've done to you? And innocuous post as transformed someone I don't know, never noticed before, into a melting, hysterical, lunatic. How many youtube vids and links have you posted thus far in this thread? And presumably you have read and watched them all.
This is what I've turned your life into. A desperate little man spending countless hours scouring the net looking for views to discredit McDonald's so you can respond to me and my buying of McDoubles.
This is just total ownage.
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http://www.naturalnews.com/048982_McDonalds_toxic_ingredients_French_fries.html
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I had to google "mcgriddle" haha... didn't know what it was.
it is disgusting and delicious at the same time.
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I saved you for last not because you are my favorite but because I want to spend less and less time with you as you truly are a stupid person and everything I say is beyond your realm of comprehension. You're like the kid who wants to participate in an economic discussion by asking, "Why don't we make all houses cost just a dollar?" "Ha, ha. Sure kid," as I pat you condescendingly on the head, "we'll get right to that. But just take a seat over there for a minute."
In fact, that's what makes you somewhat interesting. How does someone, without a mental disease, which I don't think you have, get so stupid? I surmise that because your stupidy is so profound that you had to be taught to be stupid. You had to work and develop your stupidity. Such can often be accomplished by going to some Liberal, Leftist University. You're mention of "environmental footprints" and "predatory advertising" leads me to that speculation.
I was intending to address your issues but just at this very moment decided not to bother. Your statement, "I'm obviously a bright guy..." was just too gut busting. Like I said before, you are so stupid that you really don't know how stupid you really are and therefore there's no hope to escaping your stupidity on your own.
But I will note that now you are changing your tune. First you make up your definition of nutritious as "promoting good health" as the common definition. No it's not. Where did you get that lame idea? I know, it's because you are stupid. Lets take the macro nutrient, carbohydrates. It's a nutrient by definition and therefore nutritious but it does not necessary follow that carbs per se promote good health. It may or may not. Depends how it is used or abused. Same with a vitamin, a micro nutrient. If you take too much this will not improve your health and is often detrimental. There was a recent study proving that too much fish oil can have detrimental effects.
And though you now agree, because I've forced you to by exposing your stupidity, that McDoubles have nutrition and that McDonald's is nutritious; you've now changed from not being able to maintain good health from eating at McDonalds to JUST eating McDoubles.
You lose again dummy.
Now try to get out of the claim that McDonald's, the number one most successful fast food chain in the country in 2014, beating out BK, Pizza Hut, Jack-in-the-Box, Carl's Jr, Papa Johns, Quiznos, KFC.... all fabulously successful chains in their own rights, is not run efficiently.
You might want to bow out of this thread gracefully and go be stupid somewhere else.
Google "nutrition, definition". Webster's dictionary returns:
nutrition-Simple Definition of nutritious. : having substances that a person or animal needs to be healthy and grow properly : promoting good health and growth.
Do people actually use "nutrition" that way? Google " nutritious food, news article" to see how it is most most commonly used in news articles. On the first page:
Result #1 Ideally, the top ten foods should be tasty as well as good for you. This article lists the top ten foods with taste, nutrition and health benefits
Result #4 LA's fast food ban fails to curb obesity; access to healthy, nutritious food is the solution.
You don't have to click on the links to read these quotes. They are available on the google search page. I am specifically only using links that connect both "healthy" and "nutritious" in clear text.
From McDonald's own website:
You told us you're trying harder to be more nutrition-minded for yourself and for your family. We listened. That's why we have been accelerating our efforts to serve food you feel better about eating and to help you make informed nutrition choices.
Yep, I'm sure McDonald's reassures these nutrition-minded customers by letting them know that their food contains the macro nutrient carbohydrates. ::)
So, there: very clear evidence that "nutritious" is most commonly used the way I said it is. The rest of your post is your typical longwinded, pointless rambling, so will conveniently gloss over that.
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it is disgusting and delicious at the same time.
What's not to like about some meat between two mini pancakes with syrup in them.
It's fucking amazing taste wise.
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McDonalds could fill their "meat" with embalming fluid and you'd espouse the benefits. Knowing McDonalds, they've already tried it.
And that bothers you why?
Evidently, it would be of no consequence to you, which proves my point. Game, set and match.
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I`m loving it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111 :D
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it is disgusting and delicious at the same time.
Lol, that's how I feel about them.
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With all the chemicals I ingested,meaning gear,alcohol and most of the illegal street drugs,I`m hardly concerned if I indulge in a fucking MickeyDees burger on occasion.
"Every now and then I know it`s kind of hard to tell,but I`m still alive and well. "
by Johnny Winter ;)
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There's very little that Pellius and I agree upon but he's a hell of a poster....dispatching multiple posters with ease 8)
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With all the chemicals I ingested,meaning gear,alcohol and most of the illegal street drugs,I`m hardly concerned if I indulge in a fucking MickeyDees burger on occasion.
"Every now and then I know it`s kind of hard to tell,but I`m still alive and well. "
by Johnny Winter ;)
Sure, but when you do that, do you convince yourself it's healthfood?
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What's not to like about some meat between two mini pancakes with syrup in them.
somehow this thread just became oddly bodybuilding related.
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I already picked a position on morality. Because you don't understand it and don't know the meaning of absolute versus moral relativism is more a problem with you than with me. But, if you are honest, and you are not, it is not my ideas and beliefs that matter to you. You simply have an issue with me personally even though our very first encounter was you contacting me to help you get back on the gh15 board from which you were banned. A favor which I granted to a complete stranger without even knowing the circumstance involved. And never ever a thanks or acknowledgement. Quite a reflection on your character. When anyone does a favor for me, no matter how small, I don't forget it.
I could claim 2+2=4 and even lay out 2 pairs of sticks and bring them together and count out the sticks and still you would not concur. Having to agree with me with far more distasteful to you than seeking truth. The fact that you claim that "there isn't a thread of evidence" that the US has ever done anything good in this world exposes your bias. Even when I point out the difference between South Korea and North Korea. There would be no South Korea if it wasn't for the US and all of Korea would be the hell hole that is North.
But I will further clarify moral absolutes and moral relativism, not for you, because it doesn't matter, but for others who perhaps have never thought of it in those terms, i.e., that it is the context that determines the moral nature of an act which is not relativism in the context of morality. And it's not because they are stupid or dumb like All Doggity but rather it is something that they didn't really give much though to.
Is killing another human being wrong and immoral? Well, I don't know. Killing in and of itself is morally neutral. It is the context that will determine it's morality. If done to protect innocent lives, such as when someone walks into a work place and starts randomly shooting and killing people, then yes. Killing that person is right and the moral thing to do. Absolutely moral. Not if someone intentionally kills an innocent person then that is wrong and immoral. Absolutely immoral. That is murder, and murder, a subset of killing, is immoral.
To equate the two is moral relativism. It's similar to a bumper sticker I saw years ago on a hand painted VW bus with a prominent peace sign on the back. The bumper sticker read: "Why do we kill people, who kill people, to teach people that killing is wrong?"
They think they are being clever and most people will be respond with a "Hey, that's a good point." But killing people is not always wrong, and equating the killing of a murderer with the killing of an innocent person is moral relativism. Saying that some sins in the same class are worse than others is not moral relativism. For example, stealing all the packets of Sweet and Low at a restaurant versus robbing a bank. Both are stealing but one is far worse than the other.
North and South Korea were divided up after WW2 just like the rest of the world. We can agree on the nature of US action in Hawaii though which you accept is unexceptional. Was there something exceptional in Korea? why is it any different? Or were the benefits to the south simply a secondary effect of business as usual? ie: going in there to secure western business interests. I'm open to this, I don't know anything about it so if there is some evidence to show this I'd love to see it. So far I have not seen a shred of evidence that the US is some sort of benevolent force in world affairs. ZERO. The US looks out for US interests, there's nothing radical about this notion. Always open to new ideas and information so if you have this material please present it.
I think we agree on morality could be a confusion with terminology. I gather what you're saying is context allows for meaningful moral action and judgement. If you say morality is determined by context that's going to sound like moral relativism even if that's not what you meant. Thank you for the detailed examples. Happy we could clarify this!
I don't want to get you all in a tizzy, I'm just trying to help. It's nothing personal either I actually appreciate your posting efforts except when your rhetoric gets uppity and way out of hand. Calm down have some peanut butter. Regarding me personally that's all irrelevant. Personal attacks are inappropriate, immoral and unjustified in the context of this discussion.
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Pennyless showing shitso how a 10 page plus thread gets done.
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But I will note that now you are changing your tune. First you make up your definition of nutritious as "promoting good health" as the common definition. No it's not. Where did you get that lame idea? I know, it's because you are stupid. Lets take the macro nutrient, carbohydrates. It's a nutrient by definition and therefore nutritious but it does not necessary follow that carbs per se promote good health. It may or may not. Depends how it is used or abused. Same with a vitamin, a micro nutrient. If you take too much this will not improve your health and is often detrimental. There was a recent study proving that too much fish oil can have detrimental effects.
And though you now agree, because I've forced you to by exposing your stupidity, that McDoubles have nutrition and that McDonald's is nutritious; you've now changed from not being able to maintain good health from eating at McDonalds to JUST eating McDoubles.
You lose again dummy.
Revisiting my previous post, I want to make sure I don't neglect to address this bullshit. The title of this thread specifically mentions McDoubles in the title. I corrected you earlier in the thread for trying to confuse "any food available at McDonalds" with McDoubles. Even earlier in the thread, when another poster refers to McDonalds' food, you say this:
Which I take to mean chicken nuggets and McDoubles, since that's what I was talking about.
Yet somehow - despite all of this being clearly documented, despite you understanding what the topic was earlier in the thread, despite you CLARIFYING that topic with another poster - somehow, I'm the one who is changing positions midstream. ::)
Once again, just like your imaginary ownings, just like the commonly used definition of nutrition all of this stuff is very clearly and thoroughly documented. A manic 1000-word post won't change that. Your time would be better spent burnishing your leathery hide on the beach.
And while you're at it, you can also save the energy you're wasting calling me stupid. No one is buying it ( including you) and it doesn't make your shallow arguments any more convincing. You'd be better off admitting that my "stupidity" is just your frustration that someone took the time to take apart your idiotic manifestos.
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I bet 98% of people working at my local McD have an iphone 5 or newer.
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McDonalds hamburgers have 22 different chemicals in them, which can also be found in paint. Countdown to McPellius claiming paint chemicals are good because he ate paint chips as a kid.
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My pleasures are few in life. When I get up in the morning and scratch my head over the bathroom sink if there are less than fifteen follicles of hair in the sink than I consider it a personal victory. My ultimately futile battle against physical decline is still raging strong.
I have a 1 in 7 chance (I've kept track) of catching the green light on the corner of Kahekili and Ahuimanu. When it happens I let out a soft orgasmic moan and feel I have just experience a brief moment of eternal salvation, i.e., Heaven.
I've cut down considerably on my McDonald visits due in no small part when their "Dollar menu" was no longer a dollar but they continued to call it that. There was a bit of resentment on my part even though I knew their profit margin was virtually nonexistent and it was just a way to get you into the drive in. I fully acknowledge, accept and encourage that a business primary objective is to make a profit.
But McDonald's are everywhere and always open and so, as a long suffering ectomorph always on guard against going catabolic (which was beginning to percolate), I pulled into the next McDonalds which always manages to be on the right side of the road making for effortless access. Their unworldly customer service to suck in as many customers as possible seems to transcend into the realm of cosmic convenience. I almost feel as if the whole empire was created just to serve me.
It was with no small amount of bitter resentment when I placed my order for the $1.78 McDouble. I usually just buy one because paying almost $2 for something that use to cost $1 offends me deep into my core. But, there was that catabolic issue. Always the catabolic issue.
"That will be $2.09 sir," said the cheerful Filipino drive-through clerk.
"What? $2.09? What are you talking about?"
"With the new year, McDonald's decided to go back to the dollar McDoubles but you have to buy two. So it's two for $2. We just haven't change the price sign yet," replied the clerk with a sly grin as if he genuinely cared and was pleased that he was the first to introduce the new deal to me and enhance considerably the quality of my life.
He had no idea.
Suddenly I felt in full accord with Voltaire's character, Pangloss, that "All was for the best in this the best of all possible worlds."
I felt a warm glow come over me as I cranked up the stereo blasting the Beastie Boy's "Sure Shot" nodding my head like I was making it happen.
"Well, you seem like you're in a good mood," said my always engaging Par'Mach'kai. I then explained the unforeseen blessing that has just come to pass.
"Yeah, there's this big battle between BK and Micky Ds. I've been reading about it for a while now. Always going back and forth trying to one up each other. They'll be giving that crap away by the end of the year."
I smiled broadly, "America. What a great country. Fuck yeah!"
All is for the best in this the best of all possible worlds.
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have you tried their mozzarella sticks? I was disappointed :(
But the 24/7 mcmuffin... wow, that is stellar. again, disgusting yet delicious as fck when you're really hungry.
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have you tried their mozzarella sticks? I was disappointed :(
But the 24/7 mcmuffin... wow, that is stellar. again, disgusting yet delicious as fck when you're really hungry.
They have mozzarella sticks? I did not know that.
God, it's just keeps getting better and better.
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They have mozzarella sticks? I did not know that.
God, it's just keeps getting better and better.
i'm getting old. i savor fresh grouper. I eat a barrel of fruit each day. I may not drink a drop of alcohol in 2016. I'll have a mcmuffin if i'm starving and know i'm doing treadmill while watching GOT on the ipad that evening.... but today it's shrimp at home over domino's sandwich and a pizza on a tuesday night.
to me, it's just seeing i'm hitting 40 this year, and many 'young' faces I grew up with as a youth (rock stars, actors, etc) are dying from natural causes.
above all, i've learned to walk away from stress. maybe once a week i'll feel my blood pressure rise when something really irritating happens (usually another driver lol At this age, I've just removed everything from life that I can, which really annoys me, and worked to understand/accept those things I can't.
the mozz sucks were weak. The sausage mcmuffin + large mocha frappe are badass... can't imagine the fat, nitrates, sugar, but yum fucking yum.
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have you tried their mozzarella sticks? I was disappointed :(
But the 24/7 mcmuffin... wow, that is stellar. again, disgusting yet delicious as fck when you're really hungry.
They were all right when they messed up and gave me six once. Not really worth the price of even a dollar for three of them, though.
I had 4 McDoubles and 2 mcchickens for lunch the other day.
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They have mozzarella sticks? I did not know that.
God, it's just keeps getting better and better.
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They are GREAT, and they give you an Italian marinara dipping sauce...
P.S. PELLIUS, you have to try the M&M Ice Cream "McFlurry", I had one on my last cheat meal HOLY CRAP it's satisfying!!!!
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Pennyless showing shitso how a 10 page plus thread gets done.
Please. I invented them.
* I also helped facilitate this one.
#McLegend.
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But you have to buy two which is perfect for me. Fifty grams of protein with just the right amount of fat and carbs. Actually, I don't really care about the fat and carbs and have no idea how much is in those burgers, just trying to make those "fitting your macros" guys happy.
Cheap, taste good, nutritious and filling. No need for fries or any other sides. Can't believe it was only a couple of days ago that I paid $1.75 for ONE McDouble.
More eating out and less cooking for me now.
America! Fuck Yeah!
I chimed in when this OP topic already has 12 pgs , which makes me feel better about my current diet.
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Instead of McAdding ever-more crap to their menu, why doesnt McDonald's just make customers a McDecent burger?
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Instead of McAdding ever-more crap to their menu, why doesnt McDonald's just make customers a McDecent burger?
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They DO, have you tried the big new ANGUS BURGERS, Rob?? They have them here in Vancouver, so they must be in T.O.
Mighty Angus
Delicious, carefully selected, juicy, tender cuts of 100% Angus beef sourced from Canadian farms. Top that with a smoky Angus sauce, hickory smoked bacon pieces, crisp leaf lettuce, tomato, processed cheese and grilled onions, served on a sesame and poppy seed bun. Then, and only then, can you call it “Mighty.”
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They DO, have you tried the big new ANGUS BURGERS, Rob?? They have them here in Vancouver, so they must be in T.O.
Mighty Angus
Delicious, carefully selected, juicy, tender cuts of 100% Angus beef sourced from Canadian farms. Top that with a smoky Angus sauce, hickory smoked bacon pieces, crisp leaf lettuce, tomato, processed cheese and grilled onions, served on a sesame and poppy seed bun. Then, and only then, can you call it “Mighty.”
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Too bad it doesn't look like that when its served to you. I have not been to McDonalds in a LONG time, but what they serve you, never looks like the actual item advertised. It looks more like this:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_W-pG7tUmJk0/S7BxA3vNrDI/AAAAAAAABak/SNEtcHsqK84/s1600/mcdonalds_hamburger_03.jpg)
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They DO, have you tried the big new ANGUS BURGERS, Rob?? They have them here in Vancouver, so they must be in T.O.
Mighty Angus
Delicious, carefully selected, juicy, tender cuts of 100% Angus beef sourced from Canadian farms. Top that with a smoky Angus sauce, hickory smoked bacon pieces, crisp leaf lettuce, tomato, processed cheese and grilled onions, served on a sesame and poppy seed bun. Then, and only then, can you call it “Mighty.”
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Hadn't eaten there for the longest time and then decided to try the exact burger you mention.
Tastes like shit.
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wednesday...
whopper wednesday
just saying.
too bad I have to go back to class in a bit.
perhaps I will hit a bk somewhere
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Hadn't eaten there for the longest time and then decided to try the exact burger you mention.
Tastes like shit.
I have not eaten McDonalds in over 2 years. After I run out to do some errands, I may grab a few burgers from McDonalds. I am curious how they taste these days. But I am more tempted to get a better burger from Shake Shack or Smash Burger. Decisions, decisions.
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I have not eaten McDonalds in over 2 years. After I run out to do some errands, I may grab a few burgers from McDonalds. I am curious how they taste these days. But I am more tempted to get a better burger from Shake Shack or Smash Burger. Decisions, decisions.
Smash Burger is pretty damn good. I like Habit and In-N-Out better, but Smash is definitely a good burger joint.
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Hadn't eaten there for the longest time and then decided to try the exact burger you mention.
Tastes like shit.
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I bring one of the real small bottles of Tabasco in my sweat pants if I choose McDonald's for my weekly cheat meal.
I split up where I go, sometimes Chinese, Sushi, Pizza, Burgers, Indian Buffet, Bar & Grill, whatever I'm most feeling/craving for on that Sunday...
Rest of the week, KETO >:(
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Smash Burger is pretty damn good. I like Habit and In-N-Out better, but Smash is definitely a good burger joint.
Just tried Smash for the first time maybe about 2 months ago. Excellent burger, but I love the sides
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Just tried Smash for the first time maybe about 2 months ago. Excellent burger, but I love the sides
I just got done eating a Smash burger. 1000000X better than McDonalds!!
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I just got done eating a Smash burger. 1000000X better than McDonalds!!
Well, yeah, they're different categories. McDonalds actually can't be that good, for various reasons. It's more important that their food be consistent in certain categories. Smash is much better than even 5 Guys. There are all these high-style/mid-brow fare places popping up in NYC, like the Melt Shop and Fuku. I haven't had Chick-fil-A in at least 20 years, but that line is too long every time I walk past it.
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Smash Burger is pretty damn good. I like Habit and In-N-Out better, but Smash is definitely a good burger joint.
It is. I just had a Shake Shack burger. Id say they are about equal in taste, but the fries from Shake Shack are better than Smash Burger.
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Well, yeah, they're different categories. McDonalds actually can't be that good, for various reasons. It's more important that their food be consistent in certain categories. Smash is much better than even 5 Guys. There are all these high-style/mid-brow fare places popping up in NYC, like the Melt Shop and Fuku. I haven't had Chick-fil-A in at least 20 years, but that line is too long every time I walk past it.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/12/1-burgers-why-shake-shack-ceo-is-avoiding-fast-food-war.html
In regards to other fast food chain joint selling $1.00 burgers:
"You've never seen us discount like that, and you won't," said Shake Shack CEO Randy Garutti in an interview at the ICR Conference in Orlando. "I don't know how they can afford to sell those things."
Garutti said the company could not sell its own dishes at similar prices.
"I firmly believe that people are more than willing to pay a couple dollars more to have a materially different experience," he added.
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http://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/12/1-burgers-why-shake-shack-ceo-is-avoiding-fast-food-war.html
In regards to other fast food chain joint selling $1.00 burgers:
"You've never seen us discount like that, and you won't," said Shake Shack CEO Randy Garutti in an interview at the ICR Conference in Orlando. "I don't know how they can afford to sell those things."
Garutti said the company could not sell its own dishes at similar prices.
"I firmly believe that people are more than willing to pay a couple dollars more to have a materially different experience," he added.
I agree. If I want a good burger, I will go to Five Guys.
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http://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/12/1-burgers-why-shake-shack-ceo-is-avoiding-fast-food-war.html
In regards to other fast food chain joint selling $1.00 burgers:
"You've never seen us discount like that, and you won't," said Shake Shack CEO Randy Garutti in an interview at the ICR Conference in Orlando. "I don't know how they can afford to sell those things."
Garutti said the company could not sell its own dishes at similar prices.
"I firmly believe that people are more than willing to pay a couple dollars more to have a materially different experience," he added.
See...this kinda partly goes to what I was saying earlier about McDonald's dubious morality. I mean, I'm not anti-business or anti-capitalism, but when you're one of the 3 largest employers in the country ,the largest buyer of livestock, the majority of your workers barely make a living wage and some of your most popular items are essentially loss leaders, you're perpetuating this cycle of false affordability that plays a big part in crippling a certain class. The same goes for a business like Walmart. I can appreciate the democratization of goods and services, but when you compare how McDonald's is run vs Shake Shack or even In-N-Out and Chik-fil-A, there's such a difference.
And in practical terms, if McDonald's wasn't so cheap, it would HAVE to taste better.
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I bring one of the real small bottles of Tabasco in my sweat pants if I choose McDonald's for my weekly cheat meal.
I split up where I go, sometimes Chinese, Sushi, Pizza, Burgers, Indian Buffet, Bar & Grill, whatever I'm most feeling/craving for on that Sunday...
Rest of the week, KETO >:(
You can bring in anything you want to places, no need to hide it.
When I go out to eat with my buddy (Arcidi) all the time, he takes along his favorite bottles of steak sauce, salad dressing, etc... Pretty funny...
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You can bring in anything you want to places, no need to hide it.
When I go out to eat with my buddy (Arcidi) all the time, he takes along his favorite bottles of steak sauce, salad dressing, etc... Pretty funny...
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TED Arcidi?? Does he still have the Mullet?? I used to like when he wrestled!!
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I agree. If I want a good burger, I will go to Five Guys.
Or anywhere else, like Smash Burger, Shake Shack, etc. Id rather pay a little more for a good tasting burger.
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I remember when I was in University Arby's would have these 5 roast beef sandwiches for $5 deal, and I would buy a bag full.
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I buy 1.50 fish tacos from Rubios some Tuesdays.
It's amazing.
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i would go to mcdonalds over 5 guys any day of the week
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I buy 1.50 fish tacos from Rubios some Tuesdays.
It's amazing.
You buy 1 and 1/2 fish tacos? Do they give a discount for the half taco? ???
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i would go to mcdonalds over 5 guys any day of the week
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100% Bro, the Five Guys near me in the Vancouver area SUCKS, the burgers are horrible (smell like roasted Iguana).
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You buy 1 and 1/2 fish tacos? Do they give a discount for the half taco? ???
Dollar and 50 cent.
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100% Bro, the Five Guys near me in the Vancouver area SUCKS, the burgers are horrible (smell like roasted Iguana).
Not sure what's going on in Vancouver, but in the United States, Five Guys makes a tasty burger.
Sometimes I get a taste for a good burger. Sometimes I get a taste for McDonald's.
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i would go to mcdonalds over 5 guys any day of the week
Maybe for variety, but I think one of the reasons so many people are critical of McDonald's as "fake food" is because so much of it is almost unrecognizable as what it's supposed to be. Even without knowing anything about the company, it's exceedingly artificial seeming. Anytime I eat McDonalds, I am hyper-aware of how it is scientifically concocted to have a certain crispy/greasy mouthfeel, not be too flavorful and how it's going to be almost stomach-turning if not eaten within the hour. There are better burgers than Five Guys, but I'll take it over McDonalds anyday.
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Used to be this joint called Roy Rogers. Served these Roast Beef sandwiches on hamburger buns. Not like Arby's roast beef. These were meaty slices of roast beef. No such thing exists like this that I can find. I think it would still do very well.
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(https://img.grouponcdn.com/deal/biyJqFBCH4FbKrR1JENR/ps-700x420/v1/c700x420.jpg)
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Roy Rogers still exists.
All in the North East of the US.
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Roy Rogers still exists.
All in the North East of the US.
Only ONE in NYC :( :( :'( :'(
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Only ONE in NYC :( :( :'( :'(
Shit it looks like they are all over Maryland and Virginia. I gotta get some next time back east.
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Shit it looks like they are all over Maryland and Virginia. I gotta get some next time back east.
The one in NYC closed awhile ago and it was a lot worse than it used to be before it closed. I think it was a Hardees at some point and then went back to being a Roy Rogers. Don't know if the drop in quality is representative of all of them.
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I just don't get this "I prefer (Five Guys, Smash Burger, Shake Shack) over McDonald's. Duh, fucking duh! You're comparing an $8+ burger to a dollar burger. 90% of the time I go to MCD is through the drive through and I'll be eating while I'm driving. There's no way I could eat a Ted's Bigger Burgers (what we have in Hawaii) while driving. It's too big, too messy and I can eat McDoubles everyday and save money.
I have five McDoubles in my freezer right now. Now when I go to work I can just Microwave two of them and eat them in my car on my way to work. No mess, 50 grams of protein, all for $2.
People go to McDonald's for price, convenience and speed. Not for a high end dining experience.
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Never imagined so much heat would come out of a McD's thread! I knew a guy who ate that shit ed and thrived off it!
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Never imagined so much heat would come out of a McD's thread! I knew a guy who ate that shit ed and thrived off it!
You're telling me.
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I have five McDoubles in my freezer right now. Now when I go to work I can just Microwave two of them and eat them in my car on my way to work.
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Pellius is a fucking boss
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Never imagined so much heat would come out of a McD's thread! I knew a guy who ate that shit ed and thrived off it!
Can't speak for everyone else, but for me it was less about McD's and more about the ridiculous claims OP was making. I didn't even make a post until he started talking about the morality of McDonalds. He also started a thread about junk food a little while back and linked to an article and the article said literally the opposite of what he posted.
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Can't speak for everyone else, but for me it was less about McD's and more about the ridiculous claims OP was making. I didn't even make a post until he started talking about the morality of McDonalds. He also started a thread about junk food a little while back and linked to an article and the article said literally the opposite of what he posted.
Really? That's because you are stupid. I thought I told you to go take your stupid somewhere else.
You don't understand what makes a business successful and profitable. You think it's because they are cheap and they exploit workers and don't pay "a living wage."
A business is profitable because they produce a good or service that people want and are willing to pay for. A good or service that enhances the quality of lives and in turn provides jobs and grows the economy and makes life and society better for everyone.
Doing good and making lives better is morally good.
And post a link about what you think I said about junk food. You just made that up.
More proof of your stupidity.
"A living wage." Good god! You're right out of the liberal socialist playbook.
So stupid.
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I just don't get this "I prefer (Five Guys, Smash Burger, Shake Shack) over McDonald's. Duh, fucking duh! You're comparing an $8+ burger to a dollar burger. 90% of the time I go to MCD is through the drive through and I'll be eating while I'm driving. There's no way I could eat a Ted's Bigger Burgers (what we have in Hawaii) while driving. It's too big, too messy and I can eat McDoubles everyday and save money.
I have five McDoubles in my freezer right now. Now when I go to work I can just Microwave two of them and eat them in my car on my way to work. No mess, 50 grams of protein, all for $2.
People go to McDonald's for price, convenience and speed. Not for a high end dining experience.
Ok that's just fucking weird dude, please don't even bother asking why because the reason will never be enough to change my mind
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Then maybe you should just shut the fuck up! Why even bring it up if it makes no difference.
Hmm I am being sarcastic but where have I said STFU and used profanity towards you as a person?
Just because I don't agree with you and find the whole thing weird does not call for insults.
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Hmm I am being sarcastic but where have I said STFU and used profanity towards you as a person?
Just because I don't agree with you and find the whole thing weird does not call for insults.
Didn't catch the sarcasm.
Apologies. I will delete the response.
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Didn't catch the sarcasm.
Apologies. I will delete the response.
It's alright, I just find freezing mcdonald's stuff a new one and weird maybe because I live a 5 minute walk from one
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It's alright, I just find freezing mcdonald's stuff a new one and weird maybe because I live a 5 minute walk from one
Nope. It's weird. pellius is an odd duck. Fast food in the freezer!? Delayed indigestion?
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Really? That's because you are stupid. I thought I told you to go take your stupid somewhere else.
You don't understand what makes a business successful and profitable. You think it's because they are cheap and they exploit workers and don't pay "a living wage."
A business is profitable because they produce a good or service that people want and are willing to pay for. A good or service that enhances the quality of lives and in turn provides jobs and grows the economy and makes life and society better for everyone.
Doing good and making lives better is morally good.
And post a link about what you think I said about junk food. You just made that up.
More proof of your stupidity.
"A living wage." Good god! You're right out of the liberal socialist playbook.
So stupid.
This is me melting down again, right, you burnt pile of wax? ::) Don't try to lecture anyone on what it takes to understand business.
As I've already told you time and time again, if you are selective enough about what you consider moral, ANYTHING can qualify as moral. Doing good and making lives good is moral? Your argument was that McDonald's is moral because their employees have to be nice to you when you interact with them. ::)
Here is the thread: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=586328.0 Actually, I misremembered it. You just posted a bad study, interpreted it wrong and even then pretended you didn't understand the idea of junk food. So, my bad, I guess. ::)
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Nope. It's weird. pellius is an odd duck. Fast food in the freezer!? Delayed indigestion?
I read somewhere that that's boss behavior.
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Nope. It's weird. pellius is an odd duck. Fast food in the freezer!? Delayed indigestion?
People have burritos in the freezer, pizza, hot pockets, left overs.... I buy a bunch so that I don't have to go through the drive through as much. I just microwave when I want it. That's how it works. It's not complicated.
And I don't get indigestion. My family comes from a third world country. We can eat anything. We're not fussy or picky eaters. Couldn't afford to be.
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I have pizzas in my freezer
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It's alright, I just find freezing mcdonald's stuff a new one and weird maybe because I live a 5 minute walk from one
I'm virtually all drive through and don't have time on my way to work to stop for breakfast. I just microwave it and eat it on my way to work. Also, it's good to have them on hand for a snack. You can buy a six pack of frozen mini burgers (Castle?) for $8 in a grocery store.. Fifteen grams of protein each. McDoubles is a way better deal.
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This is me melting down again, right, you burnt pile of wax? ::) Don't try to lecture anyone on what it takes to understand business.
As I've already told you time and time again, if you are selective enough about what you consider moral, ANYTHING can qualify as moral. Doing good and making lives good is moral? Your argument was that McDonald's is moral because their employees have to be nice to you when you interact with them. ::)
Here is the thread: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=586328.0 Actully,a I misremembered it. You just posted a bad study, interpreted it wrong and even then pretended you didn't understand the idea of junk food. So, my bad, I guess. ::)
Hey, guess what, stupid? Making lives good is moral AND improving people's behavior is also moral. You can have both.
As far as the study, it stated that junk food per se isn't the cause of obesity. I agreed. No matter what you eat it is ALWAYS excess calories that will make you fat.
To quote from the article: "The real problem, according to the researchers: too many Americans eat too much."
You keep proving over and over again just how truly stupid you are and too stupid to even realize it so you keep displaying your stupidity over and over again.
Go be stupid somewhere else.
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I have pizzas in my freezer
A lot of sophisticated taste on this thread. A lot of sneers and upturned noses at this revelation. Also, a lot of hurt feelings regarding what other people eat.
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Hey, guess what, stupid? Making lives good is moral AND improving people's behavior is also moral. You can have both.
As far as the study, it stated that junk food per se isn't the cause of obesity. I agreed. No matter what you eat it is ALWAYS excess calories that will make you fat.
To quote from the article: "The real problem, according to the researchers: too many Americans eat too much."
You keep proving over and over again just how truly stupid you are and too stupid to even realize it so you keep displaying your stupidity over and over again.
Go be stupid somewhere else.
I have a strong sense that Al Doggity may be a black.
He used words such as "son" in an earlier post, and when asked if he really would do such a thing to his own son, he replied that it was a "homie" and not related to him.
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I have a strong sense that Al Doggity may be a black.
He used words such as "son" in an earlier post, and when asked if he really would do such a thing to his own son, he replied that it was a "homie" and not related to him.
With a name like "Doggity"?
Hebrews are their own worse enemies. Everybody knows that. Except Hebrews. That's why he is so unaware of his own stupidity.
"Pay me my living wage, bitch!"
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if it hasn't already been posted this debate blew up in 2013:
"It has been my gut-level (sorry, pun) feeling for a while now that the McDonald’s McDouble, at 390 calories, 23g (half a daily serving) of protein, 7 percent of daily fiber, 20 percent of daily calcium and iron, etc., is the cheapest, most nutritious, and bountiful food that has ever existed in human history."
http://freakonomics.com/2013/07/11/a-burger-a-day-full-transcript/
http://www.marketplace.org/2013/07/03/sustainability/freakonomics-radio/freakonomics-can-mcdouble-save-humanity
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I have a strong sense that Al Doggity may be a black.
He used words such as "son" in an earlier post, and when asked if he really would do such a thing to his own son, he replied that it was a "homie" and not related to him.
Uh-oh. Look like I've been found out. Guess I should go back and delete all of those posts where i've flat out stated that I am black. ::)
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Uh-oh. Look like I've been found out. Guess I should go back and delete all of those posts where i've flat out stated that I am black. ::)
And there you have it people, the creature even admits it without any remorse whatsoever.
We have a black within our midst.
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Hey, guess what, stupid? Making lives good is moral AND improving people's behavior is also moral. You can have both.
As far as the study, it stated that junk food per se isn't the cause of obesity. I agreed. No matter what you eat it is ALWAYS excess calories that will make you fat.
To quote from the article: "The real problem, according to the researchers: too many Americans eat too much."
You keep proving over and over again just how truly stupid you are and too stupid to even realize it so you keep displaying your stupidity over and over again.
Go be stupid somewhere else.
Guess what, stupid? You specifically said one and not the other. Multiple times. You're post on page 6 was a lengthy diatribe on that ONE particular thing and not BOTH. So continue eating a box of dicks, you smashed bag of assholes.
As far as the study, it limited the idea of junkfood to fast food, soda and candy. So, poorly designed to begin with, but even then it warns that the study is not an endorsement of junk food. You spent the opening post blathering about how you don't understand what junk food is.
With a name like "Doggity"?
Hebrews are their own worse enemies. Everybody knows that. Except Hebrews. That's why he is so unaware of his own stupidity.
"Pay me my living wage, bitch!"
Pellius, you're poor, you're a paedo, you look like a pile of garbage, you're on hormones to look like a pile of garbage and the return of the dollar menu was a moment of sheer excitement for you. There is nothing and no one that you are superior to.
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if it hasn't already been posted this debate blew up in 2013:
"It has been my gut-level (sorry, pun) feeling for a while now that the McDonald’s McDouble, at 390 calories, 23g (half a daily serving) of protein, 7 percent of daily fiber, 20 percent of daily calcium and iron, etc., is the cheapest, most nutritious, and bountiful food that has ever existed in human history."
http://freakonomics.com/2013/07/11/a-burger-a-day-full-transcript/
http://www.marketplace.org/2013/07/03/sustainability/freakonomics-radio/freakonomics-can-mcdouble-save-humanity
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And McDoubles weren't even a dollar when that was written.
Never heard of this, though. I don't know if it's the same people but I read a book titled "Freakonomics" many years ago and it was one of the greatest books I've ever read. The role economics plays in predicting and manipulating human behavior is beyond what most realize. Supply and demand. Incentives and restraints. Trade offs. That's real life.
An economist can explain human behavior and manipulate it more than any PHD psychologist/psychiatrist ever can.
It explains why I freeze my McDoubles for future consumption.
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And there you have it people, the creature even admits it without any remorse whatsoever.
We have a black within our midst.
I've never noticed your posts, so I don't know enough about you to form an opinion.
Check my avatar.
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People have burritos in the freezer, pizza, hot pockets, left overs.... I buy a bunch so that I don't have to go through the drive through as much. I just microwave when I want it. That's how it works. It's not complicated.
And I don't get indigestion. My family comes from a third world country. We can eat anything. We're not fussy or picky eaters. Couldn't afford to be.
yes but those are already bought frozen and then cooked either in an oven or microwave.
leftovers being frozen are ok as well because you are basically freezing fresh ingrediants that have never been frozen
The stuff you are buying at Mcd's ie the meat was previously pre-cooked and frozen before being reheated in mcdonald's "fast ovens"(which are just microwaves and refrozen meat is not good from what I have been taught
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Guess what, stupid? You specifically said one and not the other. Multiple times. You're post on page 6 was a lengthy diatribe on that ONE particular thing and not BOTH. So continue eating a box of dicks, you smashed bag of assholes.
As far as the study, it limited the idea of junkfood to fast food, soda and candy. So, poorly designed to begin with, but even then it warns that the study is not an endorsement of junk food. You spent the opening post blathering about how you don't understand what junk food is.
Pellius, you're poor, you're a paedo, you look like a pile of garbage, you're on hormones to look like a pile of garbage and the return of the dollar menu was a moment of sheer excitement for you. There is nothing and no one that you are superior to.
Having one doesn't exclude the other. You are such a stupid creature.
Have you posted a pic yet showing me how much better shape you are than me?
You sound like u mad bro.
Please don't burn down your neighborhood.
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yes but those are already bought frozen and then cooked either in an oven or microwave.
leftovers being frozen are ok as well because you are basically freezing fresh ingrediants that have never been frozen
The stuff you are buying at Mcd's ie the meat was previously pre-cooked and frozen before being reheated in mcdonald's "fast ovens"(which are just microwaves and refrozen meat is not good from what I have been taught
In terms of taste quality, as I said earlier, McDonald's food can barely survive the hour. Anyone can eat anything they want, but wow, frozen and microwaved McDoubles? That's some unpleasant sounding shit.
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I've never noticed your posts, so I don't know enough about you to form an opinion.
Check my avatar.
kwon is notable for being old and bitter. (his words)
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Having one doesn't exclude the other. You are such a stupid creature.
Have you posted a pic yet showing me how much better shape you are than me?
You sound like u mad bro.
Please don't burn down your neighborhood.
And once again the issue is whether or not one excludes the other. The issue is that your argument centered around one and the other was not mentioned until this page. Whether or not the other is a fact is debatable in itself, but it's a debatable point that you only recently raised. The fact that you spent so much time tying McDonalds' morality specifically to how it's paid employees behave FACTORING IN NOTHING ELSE- is what motivated me to respond to this thread.
I sound like I'm mad? Do you seriously think anyone would want to look like you? To be jealous of your physique, someone has to be beyond "not in good shape". We're talking "obese to the point of immobility" or "missing limbs."
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yes but those are already bought frozen and then cooked either in an oven or microwave.
leftovers being frozen are ok as well because you are basically freezing fresh ingrediants that have never been frozen
The stuff you are buying at Mcd's ie the meat was previously pre-cooked and frozen before being reheated in mcdonald's "fast ovens"(which are just microwaves and refrozen meat is not good from what I have been taught
Those burgers are previously cooked just like the frozen burritos you buy. You think there is raw chicken and beef in there? The microwave just heats it just like all those frozen foods that have been previously cooked.
I buy chicken at the grocery store that says "previously frozen" and take it home and put it in the freezer. Been doing this my entire life.
If the shelf life can be extended by keeping it cold (like in a refrigerator) it can be extended even more in an even colder environment (freezer). Besides, as I mentioned before, which apparently has been proven, is that McDonald's burgers can last forever at room temp. I keep it in the freezer rather than leave them out because it will attract roaches.
Nonetheless it works for me and it's really a retarded discussion. I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would give even a nano second of thought to this let alone have a discussion about it.
I freeze my burgers. You don't. Neither effects the other. Can't we get along?
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And once again the issue is whether or not one excludes the other. The issue is that your argument centered around one and the other was not mentioned until this page. Whether or not the other is a fact is debatable in itself, but it's a debatable point that you only recently raised.
I sound like I'm mad? Do you seriously think anyone would want to look like you. To be jealous of your physique, someone has to be beyond "not good shape". We're talking "obese to the point of immobility" or "missing limbs."
"Argument centered around one." New levels of stupidity.
Where do you live? I have my air condition on. Where's your pic?
Exactly.
Such a stupid vile creature. So much of the world problems would be solved if we just got rid of Muslims and people like you. I guess I could make an argument that your very existence is immoral as your kind brings nothing but misery to others.
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Those burgers are previously cooked just like the frozen burritos you buy. You think there is raw chicken and beef in there? The microwave just heats it just like all those frozen foods that have been previously cooked.
I buy chicken at the grocery store that says "previously frozen" and take it home and put it in the freezer. Been doing this my entire life.
If the shelf life can be extended by keeping it cold (like in a refrigerator) it can be extended even more in an even colder environment (freezer). Besides, as I mentioned before, which apparently has been proven, is that McDonald's burgers can last forever at room temp. I keep it in the freezer rather than leave them out because it will attract roaches.
Nonetheless it works for me and it's really a retarded discussion. I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would give even a nano second of thought to this let alone have a discussion about it.
I freeze my burgers. You don't. Neither effects the other. Can't we get along?
Then why did you create this thread? Vote for me.
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gentlemen, please refrain from the personal attacks on one another.
let's talk this out.
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Then why did you create this thread? Vote for me.
Hey, dummy, the thread had nothing to do with this subject. I am merely responding to all the offshoots of a very innocuously thread.
I almost forgot about that poll. Thanks for reminding me. I will go there right now and vote against you.
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Hey, dummy, the thread had nothing to do with this subject. I am merely responding to all the offshoots of a very innocuously thread.
I almost forgot about that poll. Thanks for reminding me. I will go there right now and vote against you.
Petty meltdown to a funny response. :-\
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Petty meltdown to a funny response. :-\
As I told you, you think you are funny. Nobody else does.
BTW, you really, really think anybody would want you as a Mod on this board? You have two votes in your favor. One is yours and the other is your gimmick.
I look forward to your self imposed exile.
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"Argument centered around one." New levels of stupidity.
Yes, that whole line of "logic" did reach new levels of stupidity.
Where do you live? I have my air condition on. Where's your pic?
Exactly.
Exactly what? LOL The fact that you posted a pic doesn't change the fact that you look horrible.
I live in NYC. I've been to Hawaii before. Nice vacation, but I prefer Manhattan. For my interests, my quality of life and my career, NYC is the better option. Even if I was to move, it wouldn't be for Hawaii. I've lived in warm climates before and we have a pool in our building. Not jealous of your boney, bacony body or of the part of the country you live in.
Such a stupid vile creature.
One of the vilest things I've ever seen:
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As I told you, you think you are funny. Nobody else does.
BTW, you really, really think anybody would want you as a Mod on this board? You have two votes in your favor. One is yours and the other is your gimmick.
I look forward to your self imposed exile.
Vote for me!
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More proof of your stupidity and why the world would be so much better off without your kind. Your existence is an abomination against morality.
There's a reason why you don't post a pic.
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I have pizzas in my freezer.
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Pellius is easier to melt than the McDoubles he puts into the microwave.
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More proof of your stupidity and why the world would be so much better off without your kind. Your existence is an abomination against morality.
When you make up crazy definitions of morality ANYTHING can be moral or immoral.
There's a reason why you don't post a pic.
LOL is there?
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gentlemen, please refrain from the personal attacks on one another.
let's talk this out.
Nah, we need 15 (at least) more pages of this!
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When you make up crazy definitions of morality ANYTHING can be moral or immoral.
LOL is there?
Yes, because I destroy you physique wise despite being much older. And yes, plenty people in their fifties would love to be in my shape.
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More proof of your stupidity and why the world would be so much better off without your kind. Your existence is an abomination against morality.
There's a reason why you don't post a pic.
We already know the reason, he is a hammerheadshark-nosed black.
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Pellius is easier to melt than the McDoubles he puts into the microwave.
Remember when I said that I never supported the constant calls to have you banned? Well, this one post is the final tipping point. I so want you off of this board and will do everything I can to get your sorry ass off of here.
Just like so many here, I am so, so, sick of you.
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Yes, because I destroy you physique wise despite being much older. And yes, plenty people in their fifties would love to be in my shape.
You don't, though. Your hiedous physique has nothing to do with why I haven't posted a pic. But, like I've said, you can assume I look as bad as you want. There was another poster here who resorted to "calling me out" to post pics while he was having meltdowns. He even called me "Fat Albert". (Albert's not my name.) Why don't you start doing that? LOL imagine how much more intense my meltdowns would be.
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We already know the reason, he is a hammerheadshark-nosed black.
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Have you posted pics?
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We already know the reason, he is a hammerheadshark-nosed black.
(http://www.htl-wireless.com/krs_.jpg)
This is him to the "T". And you know the pants are hanging off his butt.
This is what is destroying this country. Stupid, ignorant savages.
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Remember when I said that I never supported the constant calls to have you banned? Well, this one post is the final tipping point. I so want you off of this board and will do everything I can to get your sorry ass off of here.
Just like so many here, I am so, so, sick of you.
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This is him to the "T". And you know the pants are hanging off his butt.
This is what is destroying this country. Stupid, ignorant savages.
I've seen the way he talks/writes, he is definitely one of those Porchsitting KFC-afficionados with a penchant for bike-stealing.
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This is him to the "T". And you know the pants are hanging off his butt.
This is what is destroying this country. Stupid, ignorant savages.
Uh-oh. Looks like I'm melting again. ::)
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I've seen the way he talks/writes, he is definitely one of those Porchsitting KFC-afficionados with a penchant for bike-stealing.
(https://igiceri.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/bignose.jpg)
::) Didn't you just post that you "suspected" I was black because I used the word "homie" yesterday? Despite the fact that I have posted that I am black dozens of times over the course of nearly a decade.
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Uh-oh. Looks like I'm melting again. ::)
No, you're just in the greasy stage. The smell is still the same.
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No, you're just in the greasy stage. The smell is still the same.
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Yeah. I have a rough life. Next thing you know, I'll be starting threads about how excited I am over changes on the McDonald's dollar menu.
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Better than stealing them or start fights because they forgot to include the apple pie.
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Better than stealing them or start fights because they forgot to include the apple pie.
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LOL is that what you were doing before? :'( Congratulations. Now you can stockpile them in your freezer.
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Better than stealing them or start fights because they forgot to include the apple pie.
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KFC and Watermelon thrown at said assailant could have prevented this.
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LOL is that what you were doing before? :'( Congratulations. Now you can stockpile them in your freezer.
LOL! Brutal come back. Now I see I'm officially in your head and owning you into oblivion. Every time you are on this board and make a post it is me that you will see.
I couldn't have done this better.
Stupid is as stupid does.
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KFC and Watermelon thrown at said assailant could have prevented this.
LOL! Throw in some "heron" and you couldn't "axe" for more.
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LOL! Brutal come back. Now I see I'm officially in your head and owning you into oblivion. Every time you are on this board and make a post it is me that you will see.
I couldn't have done this better.
Stupid is as stupid does.
Looks like I got owned then. :-\ I will miss my old avi, but you are in my head now.
I printed out this pic and put it on my refrigerator.
If I can get my hands on some TRT...
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You can always count on the resident boxheaded herring muncher to fuck up a good discussion
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Looks like I got owned then. :-\ I will miss my old avi, but you are in my head now.
I printed out this pic and put it on my refrigerator.
If I can get my hands on some TRT...
It didn't take much. You have the mind of a child.
Make sure you fill that freezer with some McDoubles and also put my pic on the bathroom mirror as well so you have something to aspire to.
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Last night on my way home from the gym, around 3:00 am, I stopped by the MCD drive through for the usual. But then, I don't know, I just decided to go crazy. Take a break from the routine. "Change things up" as we like to say. Use a variation of the "muscle confusion" principle.
Instead of four McDoubles, I ordered two Mcdoubles and two McChickens. I get crazy like that. Felt like a boss.
On the drive home, I downed the McChicken first follow by the McDouble as my PWO meal easily staying well within the anabolic window.
When I got home I put the rest in the freezer. This morning, popped a McDouble in the micro, took my multi-vit and fish oil and now I'm primed and pumped to just loaf around all day. I didn't even take a morning shower. I might not shower at all today as I don't plan on going anywhere.
Living life to the fullest in the middle of the Pacific ocean.
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Last night on my way home from the gym, around 3:00 am, I stopped by the MCD drive through for the usual. But then, I don't know, I just decided to go crazy. Take a break from the routine. "Change things up" as we like to say. Use a variation of the "muscle confusion" principle.
Instead of four McDoubles, I ordered two Mcdoubles and two McChickens. I get crazy like that. Felt like a boss.
On the drive home, I downed the McChicken first follow by the McDouble as my PWO meal easily staying well within the anabolic window.
When I got home I put the rest in the freezer. This morning, popped a McDouble in the micro, took my multi-vit and fish oil and now I'm primed and pumped to just loaf around all day. I didn't even take a morning shower. I might not shower at all today as I don't plan on going anywhere.
Living life to the fullest in the middle of the Pacific ocean.
are you training for bodybuilding, strength, health or some other goal? :)
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are you training for bodybuilding, strength, health or some other goal? :)
At this point, only trying to keep my other foot out of the grave.
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Uh, you can do that with ANY food . Doesn't matter what it is.
The Burger Lab: Revisiting the Myth of The 12-Year Old McDonald's Burger That Just Won't Rot (Testing Results!)
Nov 5, 2010
9:00 AM 91 Comments
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[Photographs: J. Kenji Lopez-Alt]
A few weeks back, I started an experiment designed to prove or disprove whether or not the magic, non-decomposing McDonald's hamburgers that have been making their way around the internet are indeed worthy of disgust or even interest.
By way of introduction, allow myself to quote myself. This is from myprevious article:
Back in 2008, Karen Hanrahan, of the blog Best of Mother Earth posted a picture of a hamburger that she uses as a prop for a class she teaches on how to help parents keep their children away from junk food... The hamburger she's been using as a prop is the same plain McDonald's hamburger she's been using for what's now going on 14 years. It looks pretty much identical to how it did the day she bought it, and she's not had to use any means of preservation. The burger travels with her, and sits at room temperature.
Now Karen is neither the first nor last to document this very same phenomenon. Artist Sally Davies photographs her 137 day-old hamburger every day for her Happy Meal Art Project. Nonna Joann has chosen to store her happy meal for a year on her blog rather than feed it to her kids. Dozens of other examples exist, and most of them come to the same conclusion: McDonald's hamburgers don't rot.
The problem with coming to that conclusion, of course, is that if you are a believer in science (and I certainly hope you are!), in order to make a conclusion, you must first start with a few observable premises as a starting point with which you form a theorem, followed by a reasonably rigorous experiment with controls built in place to verify the validity of that theorem.
Thus far, I haven't located a single source that treats this McDonald's hamburger phenomenon in this fashion. Instead, most rely on speculation, specious reasoning, and downright obtuseness to arrive at the conclusion that a McDonald's burger "is a chemical food[, with] absolutely no nutrition."
As I said before, that kind of conclusion is both sensationalistic and specious, and has no place in any of the respectable academic circles which A Hamburger Today would like to consider itself an upstanding member of.
The Theory Behind the Burger
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Things we know so far:
A plain McDonald's Hamburger, when left out in the open air, does not mold or decompose.
In order for mold to grow, a few things need to be present: mold spores, air, moisture, and a reasonably hospitable climate
Given those two facts, there are a number of theories as to why a McDonald's burger might not rot:
There is some kind of chemical preservative in the beef and/or bun and/or the wrapping that is not found in a normal burger and/or bun that creates an inhospitable environment for mold to grow.
The high salt level of a McDonald's burger is preventing the burger from rotting.
The small size of a McDonald's hamburger is allowing it to dehydrate fast enough that there is not enough moisture present for mold to grow
There are no mold spores present on McDonald's hamburgers, nor in the air in and around where the burgers were stored.
There is no air in the the environment where the McDonald's hamburgers were stored
There's mold everywhere.
Of these theories, we can immediately eliminate 5, for reasons too obvious to enumerate. As for number 4, it's probably true that there are no live molds on a hamburger when you first receive it, as they are cooked on an extremely hot griddle from both sides to an internal temperature of at least 165°F—hot enough to destroy any mold. But in the air where they were stored? Most likely there's mold present. There's mold everywhere.
Theory 1 is the one most often concluded in the various blogs out there, but there doesn't seem to be strong evidence one way or the other. If we are to believe packaging and nutrition labeling (and I see no reason not to), there are preservatives in a McDonald's bun, but no more than in your average loaf of bread from the supermarket. A regular loaf of supermarket bread certainly rots, so why not the McD's? Their beef is also (according to them) 100% ground beef, so nothing funny going on there, is there?
In order for any test to be considered valid, you need to include a control. Something in which you already know whether or not the variable being tested is present.
In the case of these burgers, that means testing a McDonald's burger against a burger that is absolutely known not to contain anything but beef. The only way to do this, of course, is to cook it myself from natural beef ground at home.
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I decided to design a series of tests in order to ascertain the likeliness of each one of these separate scenarios (with the exception of the no-air theory, which frankly, doesn't hold wind—get it?). Here's what I had in mind:
Sample 1: A plain McDonald's hamburger stored on a plate in the open air outside of its wrapper.
Sample 2: A plain burger made from home-ground fresh all-natural chuck of the exact dimensions as the McDonald's burger, on a standard store-bought toasted bun.
Sample 3: A plain burger with a home-ground patty, but a McDonald's bun.
Sample 4: A plain burger with a McDonald's patty on a store-bought bun.*
Sample 5: A plain McDonald's burger stored in its original packaging.
Sample 6: A plain McDonald's burger made without any salt, stored in the open air.
Sample 7: A plain McDonald's Quarter Pounder, stored in the open air.
Sample 8: A homemade burger the exact dimension of a McDonald's Quarter Pounder.
Sample 9:A plain McDonald's Angus Third Pounder, stored in the open air
*To read about the fascinating manner in which I procured these plain patties, please refer to the original post.
You may notice that my protocols have been slightly expanded since I first laid them out to you a few weeks ago. That's due to several good ideas in the comments section which I incorporated into my testing the day after the initial publication.
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Every day, I monitored the progress of the burgers, weighing each one, and carefully checking for spots of mold growth or other indications of decay. The burgers were left in the open air, but handled only with clean kitchen tools or through clean plastic bags (no direct contact with my hands until the last day).
At this point, it's been 25 days, 23 calm, cool, and collected discussions with my wife about whether that smell in the apartment is coming from the burgers or from the dog, and 16 nights spent sleeping on the couch in the aftermath of those calm, cool, and collected discussions. Asides from my mother, my wife is the fiercest discusser I know.
Frankly, I'm glad this damn experiment is over. On to the results.
The Results(http://aht.seriouseats.com/images/20101014-aging-burger-3.jpg)
Well, well, well. Turns out that not only did the regular McDonald's burgers not rot, but the home-ground burgers did not rot either. Samples one through five had shrunk a bit (especially the beef patties), but they showed no signs of decomposition. What does this mean?
It means that there's nothing that strange about a McDonald's burger not rotting. Any burger of the same shape will act the same way. The real question is, why?
Well, here's another piece of evidence: Burger number 6, made with no salt, did not rot either, indicating that the salt level has nothing to do with it.
And then we get to the burgers that did show some signs of decay.
Take a look at both the homemade and the McDonald's Quarter Pounder patties:
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Very interesting indeed. Sure, there's a slight difference in the actual amount of mold grown, and the homemade patty on the right seems to have shrunk more than the actual Quarter Pounder on the left (I blame that mostly on the way the patties were formed), but on the whole, the results are remarkably similar. That a Quarter Pounder grows mold but a regular-sized McDonald's burger doesn't is some pretty strong evidence in support of Theory 3 from above. Because of the larger size of a Quarter Pounder, it simply takes longer to dehydrate, giving mold more of a chance to grow.
We can prove this by examining the weight charts between the regular burger and the Quarter Pounder. Take a look:
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This chart represents the amount of weight lost from the burgers through evaporation every day (both starting weights have been normalized to 1). As you can see, by the end of 2 weeks, both the regular burgers and the Quarter Pounders ended up losing about 31% of their total weight and are pretty much stable. They are essentially burger-jerky. A completely dehydrated product that will never rot, as without moisture, nothing can survive.
93% of the moisture loss in a regular burger occurs within the first three days
Now the interesting part of the charts is during the first 4 days. As you can see, the blue line representing the regular burger dips down much more precipitously than the red line representing the Quarter Pounder. In fact, 93% of the moisture loss in a regular burger occurs within the first three days, which means that unless mold gets a chance to grow within that time frame, it's pretty much never going to grow.
The Quarter Pounder, on the other hand, takes a full 7 days to dehydrate to the same degree. It's during this extra three day period that the mold growth began to appear (and of course, once the burger had dehydrated sufficiently, the mold growth stopped—the burger looked the same on day 14 as they did on day 7). For the record, the Angus Third Pounder also showed a similar degree of mold growth in the same time frame.
So Can It Mold?
So we've pretty much cleared up all of the confusion, but a keen scientist will notice that one question remains to be answered. We've proven that neither a McDonald's burger nor a regular home-made burger will rot given certain specific conditions, but are there conditions we can create that will cause it to rot, and more importantly, will the McDonald's burger rot as fast as the homemade burger?
The final two burgers I tested were a McDonald's burger and a regular homemade burger of the same dimensions placed in plastic zipper-lock bags side by side. Hopefully the bag would trap in enough moisture. The question: Would they rot?
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Indeed they do. Within a week, both burgers were nearly covered in little white spots of mold, eventually turning into the green and black spotted beast you see above.
The Conclusion
how do you think beef jerky is made?
So there we have it! Pretty strong evidence in favor of Theory 3: the burger doesn't rot because it's small size and relatively large surface area help it to lose moisture very fast. Without moisture, there's no mold or bacterial growth. Of course, that the meat is pretty much sterile to begin with due to the high cooking temperature helps things along as well. It's not really surprising. Humans have known about this phenomenon for thousands of years. After all, how do you think beef jerky is made?
Now don't get me wrong—I don't have a dog in this fight either way. I really couldn't care less whether or not the McDonald's burger rotted or didn't. I don't often eat their burgers, and will continue to not often eat their burgers. My problem is not with McDonald's. My problem is with bad science.
For all of you McDonald's haters out there: Don't worry. There are still plenty of reasons to dislike the company! But for now, I hope you'll have it my way and put aside your beef with their beef.
Maybe another climate or storage.
Mine didn't decompose.
They looked like on day one except for some loss of water which shrank them a little.
That's my personal experience, not some story on the internet.
HTH
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Is 17 page about hamburger! Vat a vebsite!
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It didn't take much. You have the mind of a child.
Make sure you fill that freezer with some McDoubles and also put my pic on the bathroom mirror as well so you have something to aspire to.
Sick burn. I won't recover.
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Sick burn. I won't recover.
Probably not. You've insured that I am always in your head.
As everybody knows, and as you continue to prove, your type are your own worse enemy.
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Petty meltdown Patty-Meltdown to a funny response. :-\
Fixed
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Probably not. You've insured that I am always in your head.
As everybody knows, and as you continue to prove, your type are your own worse enemy.
LOL @ proving I'm my own worst enemy.
How am I doing that exactly?
By not considering garbage health food just because I can get it for a dollar?
By making you meltdown every other post?
By laughing at your pork rind-lookin' ass?
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LOL @ proving I'm my own worst enemy.
How am I doing that exactly?
By not considering garbage health food just because I can get it for a dollar?
By making you meltdown every other post?
By laughing at your pork rind-lookin' ass?
Well, for one, by proving I am so in your head that you are now rotating my pictures. You actually take the time to review the vast array of pics you have collected of me, decided which one to use, and then get into your profile and modify it. LOL!
And you can criticize me all you want but it has no credibility because you are too ashamed to post one of your own. What stock excuse did you decide to use again? Was it the "nothing prove" cop out or "I don't want to give anymore spank material." Or are you just waiting until some of your ingrown hair follicles clear up?
God, how did someone so stupid as you get a job? How did you get past the job interview? Just goes to prove that affirmative action is still alive and well.