I thought 4% was the lowest you could go.I was body fat tested with calipers the day this pic was taken and I registered at 3% BF
I like it! Pretty close to my strategy. Don't do the diuretics though. Use to use those herbal things expel I think it was.indeed, as for the diuretics, it is only for the first day that I already used them, will not use them again until the day of.
The cardio is key! For good health and getting super ripped,gotta hit the cardio.
I was body fat tested with calipers the day this pic was taken and I registered at 3% BF
This was nearly 7 years ago, I am obviously a lot bigger now.
Pretty much a perfect physique.Thank you sir 8)
I was body fat tested with calipers the day this pic was taken and I registered at 3% BF
This was nearly 7 years ago, I am obviously a lot bigger now.
high 3s is possible.Bro I felt like my heart was going to stop that day and I had cement dry mouth, my piss was beyond yellow and even beyond orange, it was almost red. I stuck it out but man it was tough
oth, i can see youre very smart on those little details :D
you know how it goes, the first days will be pissing out water, after 2-3 days youre in 8)
and yes that is very much extremly shredded,like dried piece of meat, literally
how much will you weigh totally ripped
btw caliper yourself, just so ppl know.good idea
no pic needed but tell us where you stand.maybe bodyweight too.
if you been clean until now, this will totaly work very much 8)
how much will you weigh totally rippedHere is me at 5% bodyfat at 205 lb and I am 5'9, so my goal is to get to 3% at around 200-203 but my main assault after this in the winter should yield at least 12 lb. Hoping to be ready for the spring on stage at 215
he will be 200 something at 5%, and soemthing under that at 3% and when theYa I was 205 lb at my last contest in 08 and I registered at 5% bodyfat, I figured if I am a tad bigger I can be 202 or 203 at 3% but if I am lower then I am lower, doesn't matter as long as I hit 3%. I am 5'9 so anything over 200lb in that condition is good for me.diuretics"carbloading" is applied ;D
NO NO bro, I made a new thread and want the mods to delete or lock this one because this one was to cluttered and I want the thread to be about dieting only. ;)
But I don't understand the logic (if there is) behind those multiple merges.Ya I know what you mean but my main trolls have promised me to keep in line already and I am always a big mouth as well but in this thread I will keep my mouth shut and keep on topic 8)
To keep things on topic, the 'Nutrition, Products & Supplements' would prob be the best section.
This bitching & ego thing happens all the time on G&O ;)
Best of luck with this new thread :)
ah you know it, at those levels one wrong meal can make the weight go random either way, same for diuretics, you never know what exactly will happen.Bro I was out of control and would only spend 20-30 minutes in the gym to boot.
:D
btw lol@ eating 600g carbs every day haha, you really didnt care eh ;D
Are you going to post before and after pics?I will definitely be posting pics up when it is done mid Sept. I will also post video's of me doing 315 on flat bench for 15-20 reps and deadlifts with 5 plates for 12-15, 200 lb curls for the purpose of proving your strengths and lifts do not go down on a zero carb diet.
Do you eat on the clock or when your hungry?The fasting was only for the first day so that I can get rid of any carbs in my system, or in other words so I can deplete my glycogen stores. About 32-34 hours with out eating and I also did 2 hours of cardio and a gym session with weights and I worked my job as well, was a brutal day.
How often is the fasting done and for how long?
Good thread
Basically zero carbs other than greens.
50% protein 50% fat
Are you going to run any gear?
Basically zero carbs other than greens.No NO, I must have mis worded that, not 50 % fat 50% protein, very little fat like 40 grams at the very most.
50% protein 50% fat
Are you going to run any gear?
Great plan, wish I wasn't such an emotional woman when it comes to food so I could do that diet with you
yah i know, small powernap can make tremendous difference when shredded.and 99% of cases its for good.
you know youre doing 8)
thank god im not a sucker for cookies i feel sick from them quickly and think theyre actually the number 1 fatmaker right after alcohol and sugary sodas.
my "enemy" is icecream, chokoloate and bread.and salami and cheese.when i think about it, thats actually all :D
what is the PED protocol are you using?test, eq, when I get down to 225 in a couple weeks, then I will start the usual suspects, nothing fancy. Tren, var and anadrol. Drop the EQ and switch the test, from test e to prop.
if you read right, he will eat by the "week".I have never had a problem with an extended belly while drinking diet pop. Bloat, some what but I am on extremely low sodium and I can use a little bloat or I will be too dry throughout the process which would make it harder.
the negatives of diet sodas, and im not joking, they seem to bloat ppl esp when very lean, subcutane water and they sure as hell bloat and somewhat extend a belly.
and the caffeine in them makes them poor choice for at night.
after 1 can of them i cannot sleep nomore, but theyre great at overcoming morning lethargy for me.
so yeah, forget about eating by the hour,lol.
I have never had a problem with an extended belly while drinking diet pop. Bloat, some what but I am on extremely low sodium and I can use a little bloat or I will be too dry throughout the process which would make it harder.True.
As for the caffeine, you would have to drink 6 cans of diet pop for it to be the same as a large coffee or a 2 liter bottle for it to be the same as a large coffee. one glass would not effect most people's sleep, especially the ones who are already used to drinking coffee
test, eq, when I get down to 225 in a couple weeks, then I will start the usual suspects, nothing fancy. Tren, var and anadrol. Drop the EQ and switch the test, from test e to prop.this is why i read every post you make..honest and no bullshit...what doses on the eq and test?
"My strategy is simple, 8lb of fish, 9lb of chicken breast and 65 egg whites per week.It is exactly on the money, I don't understand the question, are you implying it is more or are you implying it is less?
Romaine lettuce, tomato, mushrooms, green peppers, broccoli and asparagus.
11 000 calories a week"
I certainly may be missing something here so please forgive me if I am. I'm not seeing how this is 1500 cals per day? What kind of fish are you eating salmon? The fish breaks down to 1.1 pounds per day, the chicken 1.3 and the eggs whites come to around 9 per day? How is this adding up to 1500 cals?
It is exactly on the money, I don't understand the question, are you implying it is more or are you implying it is less?
What is making me laugh about your post, no offence, is that these food depending on the type and how they are cooked can range between 1300 calories and 2k thousand calories, I certainly do not give enough detail for you to justify such question but hey.
I am extremely accurate in every detail of what I do, so I don't see how you you are having a hard time adding up. ??? ??? ???
500 calories for the fish
600 calories for the chicken breast
200 calories for the egg whites
200 calories for the veggies
70 calories to incorporate into anything.
There you go disgusted, i broke it down for you precisely, still wondering if you thought it added up to more or less?
Why laugh I was asking a sincere question? Also ,you say depending on how they are cooked not sure what you mean by that? Can't add up the cals in you fish since you're not telling me what type, but a pound of chicken breast is about 500 cals and tilapia around 400 and about double for salmon so that's why I asked. So 900 if we use tilapia and about another 150 for egg whites so we have around 1050 per day.first of all, I sincerely apologize, I did not realize you were the poster until my second reply. I would never talk to you that way, as you can see I when back and edited my post and erased that but it was too late. You know how it goes around here, the haters jump on and write all kind of gibberish. I will pay attention next time. ;)
first of all, I sincerely apologize, I did not realize you were the poster until my second reply. I would never talk to you that way, as you can see I when back and edited my post and erased that but it was too late. You know how it goes around here, the haters jump on and write all kind of gibberish. I will pay attention next time. ;)
I posted my reply after you posted but you are off on the egg whites from what you have listed on your weekly allotment and the chicken breast.We are splitting hairs here though bro. The fish is tilapia. The egg whites are extra large eggs I use and boil them in water, I do not use the traditional egg white carttons and if I am off, not by much. This is all estimated and I would say it is pretty accurate and if it is not then it does not matter to me as this is what I am eating either way and lb will come off. ;)
NO biggy bro. :)It is for me, lol. The most experience and knowledgable poster on getbig (disgusted) and I laughed at him, lmao, I would have been laughed at for posting that :D
We are splitting hairs here though bro. The fish is tilapia. The egg whites are extra large eggs I use and boil them in water, I do not use the traditional egg white carttons and if I am off, not by much. This is all estimated and I would say it is pretty accurate and if it is not then it does not matter to me as this is what I am eating either way and lb will come off. ;)
It is for me, lol. The most experience and knowledgable poster on getbig (disgusted) and I laughed at him, lmao, I would have been laughed at for posting that :D
allow me to speak, not for oth, but gen eral.WHAT THE
muscle loss wont be an issue, maybe if he tries to go from 4 to high 3%s, aome lbs will temporarily fade, but thats a very extreme region where nobody ever goes really.
lethargy can happen but its bearable, the last weeks will be horrible, he and myself have physicaly demanding jobs, its no problem,getting worse lethargy from eating too much sugars etc.
slwdown in metabloism nah as stated in the book, however if someone goes as low as he plans,the body will rebel ,its hell, its no fun, the last weeks will be no fun.
ofc the peds prevent all this from happening,if he gonna take efedrine the lethargy issue wont even be worth mention.
the same exact thing would not be smart for a natural.in the book the difference is explained.
you said prolongued diet can cause the above, yeah if the pre setting is all wrong and if it takes to long, thats why you have to blast through the diet asap.any long diet will cause bad stuff.60days isnt long, its kinda long for no cheat meal at all, but doable,i done it before.esp when one is fat, the need and feel for need of cheatmeal is very small.
the cheat meals are setting back, but refil some needed things when everything is depleted,
but ill let oth speak for himself ;D
WTF lol ;D;D
this is why i read every post you make..honest and no bullshit...what doses on the eq and test?right now I am on 1000mg of test and 400 mg of eq.
;D
Hey welcome to the thread brother 8)
right now I am on 1000mg of test and 400 mg of eq.
Dropping them both in 2 weeks, actually the test gets switched from test to prop and it will look like this;..
NOTE Now keep in mind that my goal is to compete at the national level next year so don't use these doses please, these are way to high for anyone who does not have any intentions of competing, in fact they are even high for competitors so do not follow this at all please, 1 quarter of this is way more then enough for the average gym rat
It goes like this
100mg of prop
100mg of tren
100mg of anadrol
100mg of Var
PER DAY THIS IS NOT A GUIDELINE FOR ANYONE, THIS IS SIMPLY ME BEING HONEST ON WHAT I DO.
OTH and Galeniko,
I am very happy to see the productive discussion in this thread.
Let me ask both of you a few very basic questions. OTH will be eating 11,000 / 7 = 1,570 calories a day (on average) and will be doing this straight for 60 days.
So you guys are not expecting
- significant muscle loss
- nausea
- extreme lethargy, making it impossible to focus on work or daily tasks (the kind that makes it outright impossible to function and cannot be overcome by willpower)
- a significant slowdown in metabolism
?
If you are not expecting these things to happen, is it because of the PEDs you will be using? What would have happened in your opinion if you did this exact experiment while staying 100% natural? I am not saying do or don't use PEDs; this is an exercise to understand the mechanism of this diet.
I have been around the block and have done myself as well as seen guys do very low calorie diets. No I am not claiming to be an expert, but I saw the above mentioned issues arise as a result of prolonged very low calorie diets.
Now this is a VERY VERY low calorie diet that will supply only 50% of the energy the body needs. And, as crazy as it may sound, when going that low, awesome things may happen and the rules may change. There may indeed be a twilight zone as Galeniko says, when you go into starvation mode. I know this from my own experience. But I have never tried extreme low calorie dieting for 60 straight days.
I know Gal has said that the only thing cheat days will do is to make the process of reaching your goal longer. OTH, do you agree?
And let me ask again to OTH, how much muscle are you expecting to lose during these 60 days?
Thanks again for sharing guys
S7
IMO, your posts are excellent.I am a firm believer in AI but I do not take them because I had my surgery done already for gynocamastia and there is no signs of gyno returning, which is one of the main reasons to do AI. Also another reason is water retention, which I won't have due to no sodium in the diet and the tren and var will suffice.
Questions: Any AI's? (Or maybe add half-ass AI masterone to the mix?) Also, any so-called fat burners? (Clen or ECA?)
I've dieted plenty of naturals and nothing changes as far a muscle loss meaning it's never an issue. On the other hand I have seen countless guys who will stop dieting shy of getting ripped for various reasons either because their buddies are lying to them and telling them they are ripped or because the inch of fat they are pinching is believed to be water etc. Dieting is no fun when your goal is getting shredded and most people never will. Getting from 4 to 3 is tuff period!! and like Gal said at that point if you get some muscle loss it won't be an issue simply because of the difference in how you look on stage. All the fibers will be out and dancing with every slight movement that you make on stage which will be extremely impressive and this is something that pics will not do justice to. Also you can't really appreciate that graininess that also comes with that level of body fat unless you are up close like the judges are, example Yates.SPOT ON
SPOT ON
Let me give you an example, I was in the front row back in 1990 at the Pittsburgh Pro show that Samir won. So I guess I was about 15 feet behind the judges. These guys looked awesome then my buddy handed me some binoculars and I couldn't believe the freaking detail the I was not seeing!! Samir was grainy as fuck. This is stuff that pics will never show. On a side note I've been back stage at many recent pro shows and you don't see that kind of look at all today.Your experience is more extreme then my own but about 10 years ago I was at the Toronto pro show and the guys all looked normal to me from where I was sitting then, my friends says ''hey I can get us back stage for a few minutes'' so we go backstage and I seen them all, no big deal, until I see Pavol Jablonicky, unreal, till this day I have not seen anyone with such transparent skin, see throw skin and bone dry, I was like WTF. Pictures mean nothing until you are up close.
Your experience is more extreme then my own but about 10 years ago I was at the Toronto pro show and the guys all looked normal to me from where I was sitting then, my friends says ''hey I can get us back stage for a few minutes'' so we go backstage and I seen them all, no big deal, until I see Pavol Jablonicky, unreal, till this day I have not seen anyone with such transparent skin, see throw skin and bone dry, I was like WTF. Pictures mean nothing until you are up close.
thanks, however we have very slight differenc in diet for the naturals in the book(we have talked about this briefly some time ago), but yeah this is how it goes.
everyone who been into low 5,high4 they know thats about the bearable limit socialy and physicaly, thats where the body will rebel over small things, do random things etc.most "feel" they loosing muscle way before that,but it isnt the case.and then they stop.
i remmeber the pic, was right there at hamdi level.
and yeah something i observed, apart from upper legs and glutes, women become more shreeded in the other bodyparts, something i sen over and over again, they have very dry backs and abs early early on.
while my back holds water till till the bitter end :D
Funny you say cause Pavol impressed me more than almost anyone in the "now" era. You DON'T see that kind of hardness today. Even the guys who are considered ripped today are not even close.
What is your opinion Disgusted on why that is? The abuse of insulin?
Combo of that and GH and the fact the most guys won't diet down to that level since todays standards are more about being freaky big than shredded.
I get the Slin part...but why would GH alone contribute to this thicker skin/fatter look?
GH increases skin thickness.
Ahh...I didn't consider this. Due to an increased Collagen synthesis, I think
good idea
Here is me at 5% bodyfat at 205 lb and I am 5'9, so my goal is to get to 3% at around 200-203 but my main assault after this in the winter should yield at least 12 lb. Hoping to be ready for the spring on stage at 215
Damn! You look terrific. I gotta get this rotator rehab shit over and get back to the gym! :'( ;)Thanks bro and ya that sucks when something needs rehab, be patient though.
Drop the diet pop. Replace with water.I would if the diet pop did not serve a purpose but it does, in fact it serves 3 purposes;
No cheat meal, space the meals out so that I never get full, I actually love being hungry 24 hours a day, why not, its 60 days, whoever can not suffer for 60 days is a fucken sissy.
1 it has carbonation so it tricks me into thinking I am full and it actually eases my appetite because of this. Also provides a little bloat which is what I need when I am flat and depleted.
Thanks bro and ya that sucks when something needs rehab, be patient though.
I would if the diet pop did not serve a purpose but it does, in fact it serves 3 purposes;
1 it has carbonation so it tricks me into thinking I am full and it actually eases my appetite because of this. Also provides a little bloat which is what I need when I am flat and depleted.
2 it has caffeine in very small amounts, but a perfect measure to keep me alert throughout the day, sipping all day long
3 My foods are already plain enough without flavour and I am already in torment, diet pop at least gives me some flavor and makes these cruecial diet actually bearable
I prefer diet ginger ale above all else.
diet orange crush is another favorite and Fresca
flavoured water is OK too
Indeed I stop at around 2 weeks out and drink a lot of water and use salt on food for 1 week, then cut sodium and deplete completely for 4-5 days then carb up for 60-72 hours, still working on this a bit, everyone is telling me to load early but I don't think that works for me, starting Thursday is better for me then Wednesday.
Agreed, I get asked this all the time. I don't mind seeing guys drink diet pop either. Of course near show time which does not apply to you I have them stop as I'm sure you do also.
Thanks bro and ya that sucks when something needs rehab, be patient though.
I would if the diet pop did not serve a purpose but it does, in fact it serves 3 purposes;
1 it has carbonation so it tricks me into thinking I am full and it actually eases my appetite because of this. Also provides a little bloat which is what I need when I am flat and depleted.
2 it has caffeine in very small amounts, but a perfect measure to keep me alert throughout the day, sipping all day long
3 My foods are already plain enough without flavour and I am already in torment, diet pop at least gives me some flavor and makes these cruecial diet actually bearable
I prefer diet ginger ale above all else.
diet orange crush is another favorite and Fresca
flavoured water is OK too
you find fresca makes you retain water? i can drink dt coke, coke zero dt pepsi but for some reason fresca really fucks with my system.yes fresca is different, I can not drink 2 liters of Fresca in a day like I can diet pop, just a glass here and there, I thought that too.
No OTH only uses a mild deer antler extract spray as well as a few sips of breast milk from a Cambodian woman once a week for his carb up. OTH will be clean as a whistle.
Great plan, wish I wasn't such an emotional woman when it comes to food so I could do that diet with youBro drop that attitude and join me, you can do this, we got your back. 8)
The method is a little eccentric but it's the only way if you wanna get it juuuuust right. :D
GH increases skin thickness.
In before OTH kills himself by trying to get 2% lower than this2% lower then that is a mistake IMO. will sacrifice a ton of muscle.
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OTH, Good luck on your diet.Thanks brother for the kind words and yes you can absolutely replace the fish with those foods you lifted.
I have not had the time to read all of this yet and maybe you have already done so .... bit if not.... could you post your daily meals in the following format so that dumb folk like me and a couple of other GetBiggers can fully understand and proceed to follow through
Time .............. Meal # .......... Food eaten and portion ...... Any Notes
I just invested in chicken breasts and the appropriate vegetables. Can I substitute shrimp, prawns and crab for the "fish".
Brown rice??? White rice???
Thanks, OTH .... I ran your photo through PhotoShop because I have a Mac and it wasn't too clear on the Mac. Good back shot. One!
OPPS! Sorry! Could not get the "Blur" out.
2% lower then that is a mistake IMO. will sacrifice a ton of muscle.You might be right but the stage is not until the spring my friend, this is a goal to see how low I can possibly get without dying, lol.
In before OTH kills himself by trying to get 2% lower than this;D
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In before OTH kills himself by trying to get 2% lower than this
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he looks real good there.....face looks good too. hed have a nice ass gf down here in no time with that look. onetime you need get back to this bro..You sound as dumb as a rock.
You sound as dumb as a rock.
Flintstones Italian half seems dominant. OTH is married with kids, why else do you think he can eat a box of cookies a day and not give a fuck?Hi Onetimehard! You son of a bitch!
Flintstones Italian half seems dominant. OTH is married with kids, why else do you think he can eat a box of cookies a day and not give a fuck?
talking to an italian girl right now lol....im not in new york and they are not to easy to find in the south.. ... only a matter of time before I join groink in supreme alphaness.
she's got black hair and blue eyes
Does she have alot of hair on her forearms?
That's how you can tell if she has a nice big bush. 8)
does italian girl have sideburns and moustache,?thats how i can tell shes beyond age 25 ;D
does italian girl have sideburns and moustache,?thats how i can tell shes beyond age 25 ;D
he looks real good there.....face looks good too. hed have a nice ass gf down here in no time with that look. onetime you need get back to this bro..lol :D
lol :D
good to know, yes I need to get back to that but to be honest I felt I could have been leaner there, IMO that was not lean enough. I am not a mass monster so if I want to compete I have to really bring the conditioning above all else.
your not a mass monster cause you dont use pharm grade HGH and insulin and alot of it.excellent post flint, this is real good info and I have to agree. I did bench 500 6 years ago and can probably still bench 500, had I done massive amounts of gh since then and insulin, I might have been a freak, but you know priorities in life take you else where.
. Im not blowing smoke up your ass bro but I dont think it is physically possible for a male to have a 500lb raw bench... and not have enough muscle cells/fast twitch muscle fibers to carry pro size. Your about as big as a white guy with good genetics will get on anabolic steroids by themselves unless you got serious with peptides dont you think?
I am of the belief the guys who got really huge and massive on plain old steroids from the 70's like arnold had some wierd gene that caused them to oversecrete growth hormone in response to dbol...Ive studied this quite a bit and it makes sense- guys who really responded to dbol had massive jawlines/gap teeth many times...rats who have had their pituitaries removed do not/can not respond to dbol.
Hi Onetimehard! You son of a bitch!MY MAN SHIZZO 8)
Great thread I will be following thismy lord, look who dropped in, 8) wow, welcome back bro, we fucken missed you around here brother, please stick around and thanks for the kind words. ;)
OTH is the man
I've dieted plenty of naturals and nothing changes as far a muscle loss meaning it's never an issue. On the other hand I have seen countless guys who will stop dieting shy of getting ripped for various reasons either because their buddies are lying to them and telling them they are ripped or because the inch of fat they are pinching is believed to be water etc. Dieting is no fun when your goal is getting shredded and most people never will. Getting from 4 to 3 is tuff period!! and like Gal said at that point if you get some muscle loss it won't be an issue simply because of the difference in how you look on stage. All the fibers will be out and dancing with every slight movement that you make on stage which will be extremely impressive and this is something that pics will not do justice to. Also you can't really appreciate that graininess that also comes with that level of body fat unless you are up close like the judges are, example Yates.
& which Medical Institute confirm this ???
Very very informative thread.wow that is awesome, I enjoy hearing guys like you that don't fuck around and try to learn as much as humanly possible and putting it to use.
Been learning tons lately from your old FU expert thread (i actually book marked it on my iphone)
alongside gal/noone thread and book. I am also doing an extreme cut right now to see and learn about my
Body and i plan to competr next year for the first time and bringing in the craziest conditioning ever.
The timing of this couldnt be any better. Had my cheat meal yesterday after 3 days of protein only diet,
woke up tight but flat and i realized my appetite has shrunk tremendously!
wow that is awesome, I enjoy hearing guys like you that don't fuck around and try to learn as much as humanly possible and putting it to use.
Good luck bro, keep us updated if you are going to do a show. Gal and no one have your back for that, you know that. I do as well. The first advise I give anyone before they step on stage is.... practice your posing, 8)
yah i know, small powernap can make tremendous difference when shredded.and 99% of cases its for good.
you know youre doing 8)
thank god im not a sucker for cookies i feel sick from them quickly and think theyre actually the number 1 fatmaker right after alcohol and sugary sodas.
my "enemy" is icecream, chokoloate and bread.and salami and cheese.when i think about it, thats actually all :D
Thanks bro! So many gems of information right now.Carbs make regular people sleepy, most do not notice because they eat carbs everyday and go about there business. What make the body sleepy is processing the carbs into glycogen, this is a one step process,
Just a quick question, normally after my cheat meal (the next day) I will feel
really lethargic, is it because I did not cheat enough or the choice of food? I did not
go crazy with the meal yesterday, had burger fries, half a brownie, some peanut butter
And biscuits. Definitely less than 4k calories as my appetite was shot!
I am of the belief the guys who got really huge and massive on plain old steroids from the 70's like arnold had some wierd gene that caused them to oversecrete growth hormone in response to dbol...Ive studied this quite a bit and it makes sense- guys who really responded to dbol had massive jawlines/gap teeth many times...rats who have had their pituitaries removed do not/can not respond to dbol.
Glad to see you in this thread Disgusted; I really respect your knowledge and style
So, just to clarify, if an all-natural guy was able mentally handle eating just 50% of his daily caloric needs for 60 straight days, and getting his calories almost entirely from protein, would you advise him to do this? Do you think that he can get away with it or would he have to add more fats or do some cheat meals?
Even for a natural is something like this (say, 60 days straight huge deficit with no breaks) the best way to lose fat while losing as little muscle as possible, in your opinion?
Thanks
Carbs make regular people sleepy, most do not notice because they eat carbs everyday and go about there business. What make the body sleepy is processing the carbs into glycogen, this is a one step process,
however when you have not eaten carbs in some time you are no longer using glycogen as your primary source of fuel, at this point your bodyfat would be your primary source. So now that you introduced carbs back into your system, it becomes a 2 step process, not one. The extra step is to switch from using your body fat as fuel to using your glycogen stores and of course the process of converting carbs into glycogen. This process can cause you to feel this way you described.
Carbs make regular people sleepy, most do not notice because they eat carbs everyday and go about there business. What make the body sleepy is processing the carbs into glycogen, this is a one step process,
however when you have not eaten carbs in some time you are no longer using glycogen as your primary source of fuel, at this point your bodyfat would be your primary source. So now that you introduced carbs back into your system, it becomes a 2 step process, not one. The extra step is to switch from using your body fat as fuel to using your glycogen stores and of course the process of converting carbs into glycogen. This process can cause you to feel this way you described.
yes yes!!!Perfect example ^^^
Thanks OTH. With this info, the constant surge of energy whilst on galeniko diet makes perfect sense. On 2500 cal diet w/ plenty of shitty carbs from bread, donut and oatmeal I would only workout 4-5 times a week. On 1000-1200 cal a day I had enough energy to workout 7 times a week.
Makes sense! Thanks bro8)
One area where I disagree with you galeniko. If i remove carbs from diet and go with a fat/protein approach I look like utter shit within weeks. muscles deflate, veins go away etc.. my body fucken loves high protein/high carb/very low fat.There is a time to play and a time to work, in my case, I may flatten out during the process from a to b, in other words on my way to 3% I personally do not care if I am flat, it makes zero difference. Being flat does not mean your muscles went anywhere, being flat does not mean your strength is gone. Being flat mean absolutely nothing whatsoever.
yes yes!!!
Thanks OTH. With this info, the constant surge of energy whilst on galeniko diet makes perfect sense. On 2500 cal diet w/ plenty of shitty carbs from bread, donut and oatmeal I would only workout 4-5 times a week. On 1000-1200 cal a day I had enough energy to workout 7 times a week.
There is a time to play and a time to work, in my case, I may flatten out during the process from a to b, in other words on my way to 3% I personally do not care if I am flat, it makes zero difference. Being flat does not mean your muscles went anywhere, being flat does not mean your strength is gone. Being flat mean absolutely nothing whatsoever.
The only reason I need to be fully loaded up and muscles full is when the job is done, do I care to display a physique at 9% or 8% when on my way to 3%, Of course not, why would I when I know I will look better the following week, or in two weeks or at the end. So I will fill out when I am at my best, when it counts, in between is work time not play time.
Of course I am not addressing this to you as you are lean all the time and like to enjoy it but I just thought that I would address your comment because I have been hearing lately
''well what if I flatten out'' and my reply is always
''so, what if you flatten out?, who cares?, the job is not done, when the job is done then worry about that''
As a newbie and frequent lurker before; I want to commend gal/none, OTH and Disgusted and anyone else for sharing this knowledge.
I have been following galeniko/no ones advice I have read. I dont always follow 100% as I should, but I have never looked better. I still look like shit, but every morning I wake up I see a difference and it motivates me to keep going and fight the hunger. Thats essentially what the key is. IMHO.
But, thanks to all of you guys for putting what you know out there. You guys worked/studied your bodies hard and the varying degrees of opinions truly allow people of all body types to find some helpful information.
INDEED 8)
some of theboardsonline communites best laying down some very serious knowledge and experience in this thread. holy fuck I WISH I had this resource 20 year ago.
if your reading this and 'new' to all this you need to pay attention very closely to what is being said by these guys. there's almost 100 years of experience taking here. that's crazy. fucking mad props to you all.
good attitude bro, keep pushing.Well dieting with carbs can still get you pretty low, possibly 5% and it is a nice propor way to diet, there is a nice trade off here. One is that you can be full every day or semi-full and look great on your way down and it is easier but it will take longer.
my advice would be to stop following galeniko's advice, that is most likely the culprit of you looking like shit. :D
Well dieting with carbs can still get you pretty low, possibly 5% and it is a nice propor way to diet, there is a nice trade off here. One is that you can be full every day or semi-full and look great on your way down and it is easier but it will take longer.
What bothers me is the ones who say`` YOU NEED CARBS`` because this is not true, you don`t need them, YOU WANT THEM, is a more accurate statement and the reason you want them is because it is easeir.
In my case the trade off would be an entire month. So instead of a 2 month diet I turned it into a 3 month diet by eating carbs.
Not my style as I feel that is paying for the same real estate twice. :)
Another thing i want to add with regards to gal/noone protocol*, the fasting thing is pure genius. Previously i adapted the IF concept and pushed tonthe maximum of 20hr fast. Right now im experimenting with ~36hr fast post cheat meals (throwing 2 workouts in there, still fullnof energy and great pump btw), and have been doing roughly 24hr fast (1 meal per day) in between those dieting days. Its really tough mentally but i see results, and i honestly feel like im putting on some size albeit the flatness which i came to ignore.
What level of daily/weekly carb intake are we talking about to turn your 2 month process into a 3 month process?That was an example scenario, I am not actually doing that. I am
That was an example scenario, I am not actually doing that. I am
sticking to the 2 months
But to answer your question if I were to take that route I can level out an extra 4200 CALORIES per week which would be and average of 150 grams of carbs per day and cut it in half for the last ten days. This would put me at 5-?6% at the 3 month mark, so I not only lose a month but I lose 2% bodyfat off my net goal.
Note; I have a way higher calorie out put per day because I am a roofer then the average, so this might be to much carbs to get the average person to 5%, so someone with an office job should expect 7% at most, starting from where I am, unless they did extra cardio.
Also note; I put the calories from carbs in a weekly balance, not daily. this way you can stagger them according to your daily activities, so on physically hard days bring 200 grams, on easy days bring a 100 grams, etc
Glad to see you in this thread Disgusted; I really respect your knowledge and style
So, just to clarify, if an all-natural guy was able mentally handle eating just 50% of his daily caloric needs for 60 straight days, and getting his calories almost entirely from protein, would you advise him to do this? Do you think that he can get away with it or would he have to add more fats or do some cheat meals?
Even for a natural is something like this (say, 60 days straight huge deficit with no breaks) the best way to lose fat while losing as little muscle as possible, in your opinion?
Thanks
In an ideal situation I would not recommend it. I have taken guys who are way behind schedule and done something similar but have always reloaded their glycogen storages on Sat with various scheduled meal plans.I understand that such "refeeds" will help mentally and may also give some people more endurance and power in the gym (I am saying "some", so low carb guys don't jump at me). But are they necessary to prevent muscle loss; that's the question.
You have to be very careful on a zero carb since your only other way of sustaining life is to eat fat.
Don't think I'm not following this thread. . .
Sounds like the champ might be coming back to get the strap! 8)The neck retard championship! :D
HEY LOSER I GOT 13 PAGES IN A DAY AND A HALF, TRUST ME PEOPLE CARE, DON'T GO ON MY THREAD
PM meltdown. Internetz is serious business. :DYou don't post pm's bitch.
Sounds like the champ might be coming back to get the strap! 8)
You don't post pm's bitch.
Who the fuck are you? :DIt's common knowledge for decent people. Besides, I run the G&O.
It's common knowledge for decent people. Besides, I run the G&O.
You couldn't run a fucking coffee maker. Please, go take a nap, and come back after you've sobered up.I see you are using my gif/pic idea. I have noticed that far more people are using gifs/pics then ever before. They want to fit in.
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I see you are using my gif/pic idea. I have noticed that far more people are using gifs/pics then ever before. They want to fit in.
How about seeing your way out of this fucking thread. Now get lost shit stain. :DAgreed. Enough derailing of a great thread. I will just add Twaddle's name to my scalped list.
:) I may indeed want another shot at the title. Oh it's true, it's damn true.
:) I may indeed want another shot at the title. Oh it's true, it's damn true.
One reason for lethargy after cheating, eating lots of carbs, is the insulin secretion which pushes
tryptophan through the blood brain barrier. Tryptohan converts to serotonin which is sedating.
You could try eating a lot of BCAA's which lowers serotonin. Or just cheating with less carbs and more fats and proteins.
Bro drop that attitude and join me, you can do this, we got your back. 8)
Once, you will have no regrets.
Perhaps I missed this, but how much cardio is being performed during all of this? For the avg individual I take it cardio is still recommended on top of lifting correct? What duration of cardio?
I understand that such "refeeds" will help mentally and may also give some people more endurance and power in the gym (I am saying "some", so low carb guys don't jump at me). But are they necessary to prevent muscle loss; that's the question.
This a key point that isn't brought up for some reason. Am I behind times? Is the so-called "rabbit starvation" a myth? The conventional theory was that if you eat just protein and nothing else you'd die.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_starvation
But I am not sure if this was later proven to be a myth or still stands....
One reason for lethargy after cheating, eating lots of carbs, is the insulin secretion which pushes
tryptophan through the blood brain barrier. Tryptophan converts to serotonin which is sedating.
You could try eating a lot of BCAA's which lowers serotonin. Or just cheating with less carbs and more fats and proteins.
OTH and Galeniko,
I am very happy to see the productive discussion in this thread.
Let me ask both of you a few very basic questions. OTH will be eating 11,000 / 7 = 1,570 calories a day (on average) and will be doing this straight for 60 days.
So you guys are not expecting
- significant muscle loss
- nausea
- extreme lethargy, making it impossible to focus on work or daily tasks (the kind that makes it outright impossible to function and cannot be overcome by willpower)
- a significant slowdown in metabolism
?
If you are not expecting these things to happen, is it because of the PEDs you will be using? What would have happened in your opinion if you did this exact experiment while staying 100% natural? I am not saying do or don't use PEDs; this is an exercise to understand the mechanism of this diet.
I have been around the block and have done myself as well as seen guys do very low calorie diets. No I am not claiming to be an expert, but I saw the above mentioned issues arise as a result of prolonged very low calorie diets.
Now this is a VERY VERY low calorie diet that will supply only 50% of the energy the body needs. And, as crazy as it may sound, when going that low, awesome things may happen and the rules may change. There may indeed be a twilight zone as Galeniko says, when you go into starvation mode. I know this from my own experience. But I have never tried extreme low calorie dieting for 60 straight days.
I know Gal has said that the only thing cheat days will do is to make the process of reaching your goal longer. OTH, do you agree?
And let me ask again to OTH, how much muscle are you expecting to lose during these 60 days?
Thanks again for sharing guys
S7
keep this in mind, fellow bodybuilders who diet on carbs ;)Im dieting on carbs and I feel fine.
Im dieting on carbs and I feel fine.True.
Carry on.
True.Alternatively if I don't have enough carbs I feel tired and lethargic and my concentration levels drop.
Alternatively if I don't have enough carbs I feel tired and lethargic and my concentration levels drop.Add a few fats in long chain energy.
Not conducive or helpful in my everyday life.
One reason for lethargy after cheating, eating lots of carbs, is the insulin secretion which pushesVery good info^^^^
tryptophan through the blood brain barrier. Tryptophan converts to serotonin which is sedating.
You could try eating a lot of BCAA's which lowers serotonin. Or just cheating with less carbs and more fats and proteins.
First day downBro you are going to do this. that is an awesome start bro, put your foot down and do not compromise what you set out to daily and keep it going one day at a time.
Meal 1 + 2 was protein pudding.. made with 25g of protein from no-sodium, fat free cottage cheese and 25g from egg white powder, with 1 tablespoon cream and one peanut butter, about 400 cal
Lunch was 8oz turkey breast + mashed broccoli/cauliflower
Dinner will be 8oz steak + greens
OTH is doing 1hr cardio/day, and one training session/day.This^^^ ;)
Every day.
Im dieting on carbs and I feel fine.
Carry on.
Im dieting on carbs and I feel fine.
Carry on.
Imo the levels are perfect for a 60 day diet IMO...Muscle loss will be at a minimum if weights are kept high and protein intake in kept moderate.What you lift does not imply how much muscle you have, however in this particular case there is two reasons why I should be weaker week after week.
Nice, that is true discipline right there. Brother I solute you. 8)
I have not had any carbs for 4 weeks now. Energy levels still high.
It would be totally impossible for me and the only way to go is the galeniko/oth method for me (maybe a little bit less radical, but results are not radical as well) BUT...
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On left, my friend. 440g carbs, 300g protein, 50g fats, bodyweight around 72kg, shredded to the bone. NATURAL.
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Shredded to the bone.
How often does he train, and what does it look like?
We are in the trenches bro,
Stone ??? how many lb is a stone?
Just been a bit hungry during the day, apart from that its a breeze.
Down to 15st 5lb from 16st 1lb on the 9th July.
14lbs to a stoneHow many stones you gonna be for the dj showdown?
Im 215 lbs now
Lost 10lbs since 9th July
How many stones you gonna be for the dj showdown?14st 8lbs or thereabouts
How much do you freeze when you're 3 %?
14st 8lbs or thereaboutsSounds ok at this point.
no body is 3%The one standard of measurement that all bodybuilders have used throughout history from Arnolds era till now is the calipers. I think it is the only true way to measure a physique because of 2 reasons;
if there are, then they are dead
How much do you freeze when you're 3 %?I am assuming you mean if you get cold or not, Well I would not say you get cold as in a cold winter day, but you do get the shivers or goose pumps on your skin from the wind and what not, nothing drastic how some people claim though.
What BF % is she at?
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What BF % is she at?hard to say because if she had muscle you would not see the bones like that so I assume she has more fat then what the illusion gives way, what she is lacking is muscle and so judging by the thickness of skin and how the veins are outside the skin in every part of her body, I would say she is 4%
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When people talk about BF as a % it is always a rough estimate.It is true what you are saying but you are missing the point here. The purpose of the ``putting the body fat into a percentage`` is to measure ones physique base on outside appearance and the thickness of the skin gives this exact information in way where there is a standard for every physique. It may be politically incorrect but it works.
If for example a bodybuilder competes at 200lb dead at 3%, that would mean his total bf would be 6lbs, correct so far?
Now when he carb loads later and blows up to 210 then his BF level hasnt changed in reality yet according to the % people it would now be 6 and a half pounds, but he wont have gained any fat at all.
the only true way of working out BF % is DEXA bodyscanning
When people talk about BF as a % it is always a rough estimate.
If for example a bodybuilder competes at 200lb dead at 3%, that would mean his total bf would be 6lbs, correct so far?
Now when he carb loads later and blows up to 210 then his BF level hasnt changed in reality yet according to the % people it would now be 6 and a half pounds, but he wont have gained any fat at all.
the only true way of working out BF % is DEXA bodyscanning
I understand your point, but the BF % people are talking about in bodybuilding is just a unit of measurement to have some sort of standard.exactly
8)
onetimehard is one of the best posters on hereWhy thank you sir ;)
props for keeping it real 8)
onetimehard is one of the best posters on here
props for keeping it real 8)
It is true what you are saying but you are missing the point here. The purpose of the ``putting the body fat into a percentage`` is to measure ones physique base on outside appearance and the thickness of the skin gives this exact information in way where there is a standard for every physique. It may be politically incorrect but it works.Good response
No other test is accurate like this. I took the most sophisticated tests before and the result were outrageous. I am sitting here with abs and some fat dude scores less then me, stupid electronic shit.
Yep, gotta give him that.8)
yeah, once the firstr 2 or 3 days are through,its all good.
those 3 days arent great fun mentaly, so much is clear, though 8)
especially if you take in a lot of sugar. for some reason the body craves sugar once you've eliminated it and then reintroduced it.So true. So true. Shuffling a few papers until I can go hit a patio for burgers and beers.
had it happen to me today. loaded up last night on a lot of cake, chocolate, ice cream and pastries. this am my body is crying for more sugar. I'm not even fucking hungry. there's some 'switch' that gets flipped in the body w sugar consumption. not nearly as bad getting back in on any other type of carb or fat. it's a catch 22- nothing fills you out like it, or makes it more difficult to get back in after.
moral of the story- sugar is like a bad girlfriend. you know she's not good for you, will cause you a lot of trouble in the future but you don't care cause it's so good :D
So true. So true. Shuffling a few papers until I can go hit a patio for burgers and beers.
So true. So true. Shuffling a few papers until I can go hit a patio for burgers and beers.
threads like this generate interest to the 'real guys'
doing the same tonite my man. i live very close to a resort town. this is big cottage country up here. lots of $$. there's a little bar right on the water with a killer patio I've been meaning to check out. a buddy's coming up and were gonna do that tonite she chase some girls around, BBQ and drink coronas.Know the area well. Hit a bonspiel there every Winter and get invited to a few cottages in the Summer. Beautiful area. Nice people and nice pace of life. Bump into the odd celebrity/athlete which is cool, but no fuss is made. You have a great time, now, and be careful with the booze in the boats - they take that fining stuff seriously, these days. :)
that's livin. have a good weekend sir!
yah,after my glutonny meal yesterday, the cravings and hunger bangs came back very early, but im still having intense toilet sessions many hours later.i killed the sensations with liter of coffee :D
i could have sworn that the stomach is empty couple times already,it felt so, but far from it. :D
btw chiro touched on this a bit.
I think it's awesome everyone is getting in the trenches and getting down to business like this. threads like this are extremely motivating to people not just to ourselves. makes them want to be better for 'them'. that's fucking awesome.
like OTH said there are a lot if good posters we lost thru the bullshit on here. shame too. guys like buselmo and bboy from promusc. who knows who else. threads like this generate interest to the 'real guys'. great to see.
yes, sometimes quite many calories is jsut enough, no toilet visit, it all goesa where it should.
only when i totaly overdo the meal, haha, thatll be some long waiting.
i think im "cleared" now, skin is glued to the muscles, but its bit hard to tell whats popping more to the skin the veins or the water ;D
can say what you want, but this is motivational and inspiring.
the negative minds who never and never will do anything kinda drag one mentaly down at times, to their bitter selves, eevrything in life is bit pointless.
they serve great as motivation tools at times, but they can drag one down.
haha you know reading this about oth dcision, it fuels inside me some ideas, to overdo him ;D
but its so nice and easy just maintaining for now :D
Cant wait to see your pics, this is going to be awesome. ;)
I honestly think we got a little competition going here between us all. like an unspoken type 'oh ya, ok lets see what's reeeaalllly up, I still got some gas in the tank' :D like I know you guys push me as much as I push myself. in 'real life' you have to be your own motivator. here it's good to see it that's for sure.
quite frankly I think gals just been fucking the dog the last couple weeks. :D he's like ya, I'm <5. I can slack off a bit. now here comes OTH. the garden gnome. all getting into shape. might prompt him to get to hamdi level for a week or two. he has that legacy to protect you know. :D
lol I'm dying over here
and yes, not to forget ukjeff either, hes dieting to look good at the holyday beach resort too
very vain
especially if you take in a lot of sugar. for some reason the body craves sugar once you've eliminated it and then reintroduced it.
had it happen to me today. loaded up last night on a lot of cake, chocolate, ice cream and pastries. this am my body is crying for more sugar. I'm not even fucking hungry. there's some 'switch' that gets flipped in the body w sugar consumption. not nearly as bad getting back in on any other type of carb or fat. it's a catch 22- nothing fills you out like it, or makes it more difficult to get back in after.
moral of the story- sugar is like a bad girlfriend. you know she's not good for you, will cause you a lot of trouble in the future but you don't care cause it's so good :D
yeah, exactly like that, :DCAN I SEE YOUR PASSPORT SIR?AHHH UKJEFF I SEE YOUR THAT RIPPED 'GUY'FROM GET BIG ON VACATION,,,ENJOY YOUR STAY... ;D,,OH BTW GALINEKO SENDS HIS REGARDS,,,,
been extremly lazy for my standards, ok its also the "fear" of going too lean, its not soooo comfortable, but the weather is playing along, could do something ;D
and yes, not to forget ukjeff either, hes dieting to look good at the holyday beach resort too ;D ;D
very vain ;D
you know, the worst thing for the ego is when you have slight edge and get overtaken bc own lazyness, this is why i love you all so much ;D
when the lazy mindset overtakes, by the time the others have you beat, youre alreay too far gone, if you know what i mean.
slipping up here and there and say ah its ok, while the others do everything dead on.
that said, ill train fullbody later everything 20 stes or something ;D im off work tomorow so can lay around trashed all day tomoro ;D
there is dr lustigs lecture which is very informative and presented in humorous ways, very interesting,but!
i read in a paper a huge article, its not even just the sugars, those big companies have many employees who are testing and trying what triggers eat attacks in the best way, which brain region reacts to what food etc.
they use sugars, fats and salts to manipulate those effects, that coupled with pr seems to work quite well.
food is one thing i can understand that, food tastes great ppl are ppl not everyone lives to have a sixpack but how ppl can go for fizy sugary drinks i will never understand, or icetea stuff.those are the worst, the food on itself wouldnt be so catastropy, but the mix of the both is terrible.
we all do think of eachother ;D
its kinda like a competition just without stage and deadline ;D
im finding it very helpful, and i have quite amount of respect from guys who are coming down from kinda higher bodyfat levels, i know best, their "drive" knows no limits, if their deicated theres no stopping them ;D
being at the goal already knda invites lazy setting :D
I'm with you. People drinking regular sugary soda just flat out shocks me. Don't get me started on parents buying their kids soda, or the endless supply of juice they feed their kids. It's not like these people are splurging and eating a slice of delicious pizza or something...they're slamming 60g of pure sugar from a shitty tasting DRINK.I try. I try. ;D
If I'm gonna consume extra delicious calories you can bet your ass I'm gonna be eating them, not drinking them.
TBH, No competition between us and Gal.
I honestly think we got a little competition going here between us all. like an unspoken type 'oh ya, ok lets see what's reeeaalllly up, I still got some gas in the tank' :D like I know you guys push me as much as I push myself. in 'real life' you have to be your own motivator. here it's good to see it that's for sure.
quite frankly I think gals just been fucking the dog the last couple weeks. :D he's like ya, I'm <5. I can slack off a bit. now here comes OTH. the garden gnome. all getting into shape. might prompt him to get to hamdi level for a week or two. he has that legacy to protect you know. :D
lol I'm dying over here
do you chaps think there's any merit in adding fiber to the OTH diet? I made a protein pancake out of psylium husk and coconut flour this morning which had some carbs but they were all insoluble fiber.Nothing wrong at all as far as Im concerned, they may tell you it will hold up your progress by a few days but at least it will help you shit better.
Shit I'm turning into dj1818 with these inane posts, lol...
do you chaps think there's any merit in adding fiber to the OTH diet? I made a protein pancake out of psylium husk and coconut flour this morning which had some carbs but they were all insoluble fiber.Your good with the fibre, by all means add it.
Shit I'm turning into dj1818 with these inane posts, lol...
Nothing wrong at all as far as Im concerned, they may tell you it will hold up your progress by a few days but at least it will help you shit better.Fibre is important and I do admit that I have problems shitting once in a while as well, after 20 days no carbs, it feels like a pop can is coming out of your ass :D lol.
do you chaps think there's any merit in adding fiber to the OTH diet? I made a protein pancake out of psylium husk and coconut flour this morning which had some carbs but they were all insoluble fiber.
Shit I'm turning into dj1818 with these inane posts, lol...
lol
you got any pics champ?
lol
you got any pics champ?
yes
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=478025.msg6858892#msg6858892
yes(http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2013/04/13/51787/profilepic/JgEuOIgyJCUiqGZelkZbUlBFCVGhnSfAhexZ.jpg)
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=478025.msg6858892#msg6858892
yes
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=478025.msg6858892#msg6858892
not bad, how much gear ya on?
Do you regret the tats?
very much so, but I did a lot of stupid shit in the 90's. I keep meaning to have them burned off, along with my sasquatch back hair but keep forgetting
btw caliper yourself, just so ppl know.A little late for this now, I tried to look for my calipers and went through every box in the house and could not fine them. I am off to the gym and my friend is meeting me there and is giving me a skin fold test.
no pic needed but tell us where you stand.maybe bodyweight too.
if you been clean until now, this will totaly work very much 8)
yesFuck bro, you look amazing (no homo)
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=478025.msg6858892#msg6858892
maybe he should pm them to someone to validate himself
you have no business calling anyone out skippy
A little late for this now, I tried to look for my calipers and went through every box in the house and could not fine them. I am off to the gym and my friend is meeting me there and is giving me a skin fold test.OK verdict is in 235lb, 12% body fat. I started at 246 so I was probably around 15% or a hair lower. Hope to be in the single digits in about 10 days or less. That is how fast my methods are 15% to single digits in 15 days 8) 8) 8)
He uses the Harpenden and we will do all 7 sites, not the 5 or the 3 which I find ridiculous.
Keep in mind I am already down 10lb, so we will see.
OK verdict is in 235lb, 12% body fat. I started at 246 so I was probably around 15% or a hair lower. Hope to be in the single digits in about 10 days or less. That is how fast my methods are 15% to single digits in 15 days 8) 8) 8)
Steaks ok on this diet?Disgusted touched a very good point earlier in the thread about fat being needed in the diet for safety reasons and it is very true, so because I am cutting it very low on the fats (40 grams daily or less) I would not use steak, but not because it is not OK but because it is hard to digest and I would have problems with it, if I ate double the fats it would not be a problem in terms of digestive.
I'm thinking of grabbing two 1.2-1.3 lbs ribeyes for this weekend. This way I can eat something very nutricious and fatty and still be in a caloric deficit once the workouts are done.
And you do? When was the last time you posted a clear pic of your build?
Great stuff, looking at being around 205lbs once the waters gone at 3%?I thought that originally but might be lower even, maybe 202, so I will not look at the scale after 215lb because at this point weight has nothing to do with it, I will go until I reach the intended target and then when it is all said and done I will weigh myself.
I thought that originally but might be lower even, maybe 202, so I will not look at the scale after 215lb because at this point weight has nothing to do with it, I will go until I reach the intended target and then when it is all said and done I will weigh myself.
Great attitude.Ya to many people make it an issue and fuck them selves over. They pic a weight and when they hit that weight they think they are ripped when they are not.
Ya to many people make it an issue and fuck them selves over. They pic a weight and when they hit that weight they think they are ripped when they are not.Excellent post, totally agree.
For example PJ Braun, he always says I should be this weight for the show, come show time he is that weight when he should be 10lb lighter and look twice as good but no matter what he says or no matter what he hears he will not accept this, in fact he will not accept this come hell or high waters and so many others do not accept this.
They always say ``my condition was spot on but I was flat`` or my condition was good but I was holding water`` sorry guys but you simply did not go low enough and that is something I would never do.
You have seen the pics from my show when I was 205lb right? well I should have been 198 in the light heavies and I guarantee I would have looked better.
Condition is everything and the greatest problem you can have in bodybuilding is being in denial about your condition like PJ Braun or another good example is Cedric
unless u have a weight class to fit into,want or need to see if u have gained mass over last bulk/cut cycle like oth to determine if u can advance weight class successfully if not the 'mirror'is ur only friend ,,take the scale open window and toss it like a frisbee...
unless u have a weight class to fit into,want or need to see if u have gained mass over last bulk/cut cycle like oth to determine if u can advance weight class successfully if not the 'mirror'is ur only friend ,,take the scale open window and toss it like a frisbee...Yes dj181 always talking measurements, if you dont look worth a shit in the mirror measurements don't mean shit.
Yes dj181 always talking measurements, if you dont look worth a shit in the mirror measurements don't mean shit.
OTH: how's the hunger pains currently?? I'm 5 weeks into my diet and could eat my shoe im so hungry 24/7.I am so concerned with my objective that if I DO NOT feel hunger then I get worried because the biggest indicator that you are indeed burning fat is that your hungry so believe it or not my goal is to be hungry 24/7.
not bad, how much gear ya on?
i also have wonder if one can lose fat while glycogen stores are full (doubtfull)and how far depleted they have to be until fatburning kicks in.
i have wondered about this too and think to get really lean, theres no way around it.The best way to describe how much glycogen in your system does one have to omit to start burning fat depends on the genetics and metabolism of the individual
i also have wonder if one can lose fat while glycogen stores are full (doubtfull)and how far depleted they have to be until fatburning kicks in.
but one thing is for sure, hunger means burning fat.
dude he's wider than you, leaner than you, thicker than you, and has a better structure than you.
not bad ::)
Because bodybuilding as an artform is not an objective/quantifiable endeavor, measurements mean nothing.
unless u have a weight class to fit into,want or need to see if u have gained mass over last bulk/cut cycle like oth to determine if u can advance weight class successfully if not the 'mirror'is ur only friend ,,take the scale open window and toss it like a frisbee...
shit man, i really gotta take this statement to heart, coz i've always considered myself to be a physique artist anyways ;D
another quote that i need to take to heart, so should i throw away my scale, tape measure and calipers ???
Steaks ok on this diet?
I'm thinking of grabbing two 1.2-1.3 lbs ribeyes for this weekend. This way I can eat something very nutricious and fatty and still be in a caloric deficit once the workouts are done.
And you do? When was the last time you posted a clear pic of your build?
Read the link that disgusted posted...this was news to me as well but it makes sense after reading the studies there and just what I already know about collagen synthesis
so should i throw away my scale, tape measure and calipers ???
How is he going to know when he gets to 5%?
yes.
what good are any of them? if you can't tell from the mirror your making improvments then you aren't. it's that simple.
i have wondered about this too and think to get really lean, theres no way around it.
i also have wonder if one can lose fat while glycogen stores are full (doubtfull)and how far depleted they have to be until fatburning kicks in.
but one thing is for sure, hunger means burning fat.
This is why I've been contemplating on cheating with mostly fats. There's studies out there stating glycogen depletion enhances fat loss. Downside obviously being not getting that boost in the gym but at least the satiation effect is even greater with higher fats for me.Sometimes I like a slightly fatter women just change it up a bit. Serious fats are long change energy carbs 4 cals, protein 4 cals, fats 9 what does that say the energy last longer. Vince Gironda always recommended a low carb high fat diet it worked for him. I got to have my Peanut Butter and Jelly Sandwich everyday. 8)
How is he going to know when he gets to 5%?
Sometimes I like a slightly fatter women just change it up a bit. Serious fats are long change energy carbs 4 cals, protein 4 cals, fats 9 what does that say the energy last longer. Vince Gironda always recommended a low carb high fat diet it worked for him. I got to have my Peanut Butter and Jelly Sandwich everyday. 8)
I've read that excess protein gets converted to glucose and ends up as fat. I know bodybuilders are loathe to admit that you can have too much protein but is there a point where the positive becomes a negative?
I've read that excess protein gets converted to glucose and ends up as fat. I know bodybuilders are loathe to admit that you can have too much protein but is there a point where the positive becomes a negative?The point is that its very difficult to overeat lean protein sources if thats all you are eating.
The point is that its very difficult to overeat lean protein sources if thats all you are eating.
You just cant stomach it and start getting sick of it very quickly, thats the key to success with gals diet, you just stop eating.
I've read that excess protein gets converted to glucose and ends up as fat. I know bodybuilders are loathe to admit that you can have too much protein but is there a point where the positive becomes a negative?I did not want to get into this one, however I 100% disagree here and most experts will disagree with me and few will not.
The point is that its very difficult to overeat lean protein sources if thats all you are eating.Exactly but more importantly your body has a limit on the amount of digestive enzymes that break down and absorb protein molecules.
You just cant stomach it and start getting sick of it very quickly, thats the key to success with gals diet, you just stop eating.
You are 100% right but stats are and can be a motivational factor for most and if they can fuel their fire inside and motivate them to excel, then why not,... People who have a 40 inch waist their whole life will step it up into high gear if they see they that their waist is only 36 inches.
yes.
what good are any of them? if you can't tell from the mirror your making improvments then you aren't. it's that simple.
With all due respect OTH, until you have scientific evidence to support your claims this is merely a speculation. I always believed that protein can turn into glucose and then be stored as glycogen but I simply don't know, I have no evidence to support either claims.I do though, show me the hormone that transports the broken down protein molecules into the fat cell.
It has nothing to do with how effective this approach is tbh.
What's all this talk about protein, carbohydrates, fat, insulin, glucose, etc? Everyone knows a calorie is a calorie.:)
Breakfast: Gummy bears and onion rings
Lunch: Pork Chops and Pixie Stix
Dinner: Cole Slaw and biscuits
Mr Universe here I come!
What's all this talk about protein, carbohydrates, fat, insulin, glucose, etc? Everyone knows a calorie is a calorie.As long as you meet the daily nutrition requirements. You might need a multivitamin as well.
Breakfast: Gummy bears and onion rings
Lunch: Pork Chops and Pixie Stix
Dinner: Cole Slaw and biscuits
Mr Universe here I come!
Lots of fake scientists in this thread.I am the real deal bro. I have put my back into this knowledge for 20 years relentlessly and have brought many people onto the stage in their all time best condition. I learn everyday of my life. ;)
amazing "reasoning" these last couple of pages ::)be more specific homey
I am the real deal bro. I have put my back into this knowledge for 20 years relentlessly and have brought many people onto the stage in their all time best condition. I learn everyday of my life. ;)
Free fatty acids won't liberate from subcutaneous fat stores and magically convert itself into protein, that is correct. But to state that protein won't turn into fat is really off point. I'm sorry. Love you, OTH. But what happens if food isn't utilized or shit out? It has to go somewhere. It goes to fat cells for long term storage because excess energy has to be dealt with one way or another and more often than not it's packed away into fat cells. Look at 95% of Americans to see this in live action.Not if you eat only lean protein and nothing else.
Only nit pick in the entire thread here. You're killing it otherwise and it's been great to follow along.
Free fatty acids won't liberate from subcutaneous fat stores and magically convert itself into protein, that is correct. But to state that protein won't turn into fat is really off point. I'm sorry. Love you, OTH. But what happens if food isn't utilized or shit out? It has to go somewhere. It goes to fat cells for long term storage because excess energy has to be dealt with one way or another and more often than not it's packed away into fat cells. Look at 95% of Americans to see this in live action.I appreciate the kind words brother, that is what it is all about, thank you.
Only nit pick in the entire thread here. You're killing it otherwise and it's been great to follow along.
Not if you eat only lean protein and nothing else.Very good UKjeff ;)
Google "Rabbit Starvation"
I listen to a lot of nutritional podcasts that have extended interviews with MDs and PHDs. Your explanation of insulin function is as good if not better than anything I've heard.Thank you sir,
I lean towards your opinion about protein. I simply can't eat it to excess. Plus, overdoing protein shakes would just send me to the can. That tells me your body does want to store it as fat.
I appreciate the kind words brother, that is what it is all about, thank you.
I am the first to admit I may not be right on these points so I am not 100% sure, however based on my knowledge on hormones and everything I have ever studied on how the body works I have covered literally everything. Everything is telling me that calories from the break down of proteins does not get stored in that fat cell.
My bread and butter for this argument is that nothing can enter a cell without a hormone to deliver it into the cell, this is the role and the properties of a hormone and we know all existing hormones and not one has been itendified as playing this role.
But like I said I could be wrong, although I do not think I am. And I am well aware that I am in the minority on this and most experts will disagree with me on this point and I can live with that no problem ;)
Submissive little bitch! Stand up for yourself, god dammit!! ;D;D ;D
Yeah, I don't think it's an absolute thing but I can agree that it's damn near close to impossible to get fat that way. Abolishing carbs is a good way to lower the amount of insulin your body releases and it also helps to sensitize cells, or at least stop them from becoming less sensitive from what I've seen and experienced. Whether or not people realize this, I think it really helps for recomposition. It's damn grueling though. I've seen what you're eating and I have to tip my proverbial hat.
Make sure to post some pics when you get the chance. There are lurkers like me who need some good fap material, you know.
;D ;D
lmao, that was last response I expected, but fuck bro made me spit out my diet ginger ale >:(, how dare you fuck with a mans diet pop. :D
Ok I agree if I am wrong it would not matter as it would be impossible to get fat off protein anyways for other various reasons, true.. Also for this very reason it would be impossible for any study to actually come up with a concrete conclusion anyway so we are arguing a moot point.
I will stick to my guns though ;)
As for pics, I hate to disappoint brother, can not and will not post one until the 3% is reached, but then there will be lots of good pics.
However I will post a few videos when I feel I am at the point where losing more body fat would bring my lifts down. This usually occurs at the 6 % body fat mark and the purpose will be to prove you can still crack out 315 for nearly 20 reps on the flat bench press while on no carbs for extended periods of time. 8)
Protein can be converted to glucose therefore when too much protein is eaten insulin is released to metabolize glucose and Alpha-glycerol-phosphate is created. Once this happens the liver uses a-g-p to create triglycerides - triglycerides are then moved into fat cells. So the answer is yes too much protein can cause the body to store fat, but there are other factors. When eating a very low calorie diet with minimal fat and no carbs such as OTH is doing then no, the protein and calories are not high enough for your body to be able to store fat.
Yeah, pretty much what I've been saying.
I'm curious, given the fact that I was arleady bigger and leaner can I grow into shape using this type of dieting? And what is recommended stack for average gymrat with no ambitions to compete or be "big" by any standards? I respond poorly to high test, high tren destroys my lipid profile but apart from that no sides. Ive never run boldenone or real deca. Worth a shot?
Im thinking deca and low test along with some cabaser to have decent libido :)
What type of diet are you asking about?
Extreme low-cal, no carbs, extreme protein type. Of course details are up the individual, I like to have some fats in there, overall protein intake differs and so on.What about tank shrapnel?
Extreme low-cal, no carbs, extreme protein type. Of course details are up the individual, I like to have some fats in there, overall protein intake differs and so on.
I make steady gains and lose fat w/ a no carb, high protein, high fat, don't count calorie diet.
Not likely you are going to do any growing on extreme cal low carb and low fat diets.
I make steady gains and lose fat w/ a no carb, high protein, high fat, don't count calorie diet.
Not likely you are going to do any growing on extreme cal low carb and low fat diets.
Would there be any problem with a high dose GH and Keto diet? I know T3 can make you hypoglycemic.
Would there be any problem with a high dose GH and Keto diet? I know T3 can make you hypoglycemic.my friend does a no carb diet and is on 15 iu per day and has no problems at all.
Obviously individual specific but what is your general approach to putting on size once you are quite lean? Still in deficit? Increasing both fats and carbs to at least...thanks
I saw a hoe that is a bartender at another bar today looked at her with my hat on she was with another girl could tell she lesbian, the girl she was sitting with was ugly. I don't understand people like that.
Not likely you are going to do any growing on extreme cal low carb and low fat diets.
Would there be any problem with a high dose GH and Keto diet? I know T3 can make you hypoglycemic.
i disagree.No ones broscience is about to "jump the shark".
'not likely' is a supposition, not a statement based on personal experience.
i am growing in a severe cal defifict better than i ever did in an calorie surplus and my drug intake is 1/3.
Disgusted provides much wisdom on hereIndeed, someone I certainly look up to.
guy really knows his stuff and has walked the walk
Indeed, someone I certainly look up to.
OK gents hit 229 today, from 246 8 days ago, NOT BAD EH ;)
Actually I will correct myself here, I actually don`t take even that much, if anything forty is like the most. I put a little bit of healthy oil with chicken and the fish when I cook them, may add up to 20 grams or less and I take 10 grams worth of supplemental fats.
you mentioned in one of your post only 40g of fat a day if I remember correctly. What is included in those 40 grams, nuts, peanut butter..?
Actually I will correct myself here, I actually don`t take even that much, if anything forty is like the most. I put a little bit of healthy oil with chicken and the fish when I cook them, may add up to 20 grams or less and I take 10 grams worth of supplemental fats.Dont forget your peanut butter jelly sandwich.
Dont forget your peanut butter jelly sandwich.Bro I would pay 10 grand for a peanut butter and jelly sandwich right now.
Bro I would pay 10 grand for a peanut butter and jelly sandwich right now.
Bro I would pay 10 grand for a peanut butter and jelly sandwich right now.
No onesbroscience is about to "jump the shark" new pic shows he knows what hes talking about.
fixed it for you bro.To claim you are gaining extra muscle size whilst in a severe calorific deficit isnt possible, you can only be retaining water in the muscle whilst getting leaner and giving the illusion of added muscle gain.
no need to thank me.
;)
Can't you eat at least one during a week?I suppose it wouldn`t hurt per se, but I set the challange at the beginning of the journey and do not break come hell or high waters, it it is the only way I know how to live.
Something like 300-400 calories, depending on the peanut butter you use and the jelly. Stick to organic, "most natural" peanut butter and jelly without HFCS. Tastes the best and actually even more filling.
take the spoon of peanut butter. dip it in the jam.Great idea no one but see my above response ;)
eat it like that. all the goodness of the pb and & j without the nasty bread carbs.
like 150 cals .
cheers!
To claim you are gaining extra muscle size whilst in a severe calorific deficit isnt possible, you can only be retaining water in the muscle whilst getting leaner and giving the illusion of added muscle gain.Wrong, it totally is possible, Levrone proved this with flying colors. I have done it as well
That was my point.
Wrong, it totally is possible, Levrone proved this with flying colors. I have done it as well
that would be pointless, and pretty much defeat the purpose of hgh. I wouldn't bother with generic HGH, unless you have money to burn.
Your acting like the fast is the main ingredient, the fast acts as one component of the big picture and during the journey you can indeed put on some muscle.
Levrone was a big eater during his precontest phase, no 36 hour fasts for him.
Why would it be pointless?Of course there is a point, flint is out to lunch about this claim and his claim for generic gh, which I know personally 5-6 pros, yes IFBB pros who use generic.
I can think of lots of fun ways I'd love to use GH. Keto wouldn't be my first choice, but I'd probably do something closer to CKD instead of full blown keto. Never been a fan of that because I think only really big fatties need to do full blown keto.
Yes whilst eating a lot of nutritious food.I don`t know, Leverone went from 17 inch arms to 21, I don`t think that is just added water inside the cell.
It was the added extras that forced the nutrients into the muscle and blew the cells up with water.
Of course there is a point, flint is out to lunch about this claim and his claim for generic gh, which I know personally 5-6 pros, yes IFBB pros who use generic.
Totally. All the Canadian pros and top competitors are on generic stuff. They buy closer from the top of the chain so they get the better generics of course. Whereas guys like me just get fucking ripped off every time lol:D
serious ocd for kevin eating right there and, who are the white slaves? very creepy
well you can but the book tells you what a cheat meal does.
for maximum fast reults, no peanuts in mouth ;D
btw, those hfcs arent soooo bad for everyone, theyre catastrophic for non working out people oh yes, but oth knows what i mean when i say theyre circumstantially better than "long" carbs at the right ime and done properly in this diet.
that all said i have a frend who diets the traditional way, he started some 2months ago at 12% and is now at 9%.
fucking hell the summer is almost over and hes not ready(6%)yet.
id have been down to 5,back up to 10 and again down to 5 in that time.
I watch MMM sometimes for motivation, but that couple taking care of him is very strange. Very, very strange for an old couple like that to be babysitting a full grown man and cooking all his meals. Maybe he put on secret schmoe shows for them as a form of payment for their patronage.
thanks dustin some times I feel, like I am the only one who feels the way I feel on this forum that shit is just straight creepy like an old schmoe swinging couple that treat him like a sex slave or a boy toy etcYou guys have it all wrong here.
Your acting like the fast is the main ingredient, the fast acts as one component of the big picture and during the journey you can indeed put on some muscle.
Leverone was 210lb and did a 3-4 week blitz to get to 250 then while losing tons of fat and gaining tons of muscle ended at 240 and change for a few of his Olympia`s
To claim you are gaining extra muscle size whilst in a severe calorific deficit isnt possible, you can only be retaining water in the muscle whilst getting leaner and giving the illusion of added muscle gain.
That was my point.
yah its all bit relative, muscle are mostly water, etc.
but, what you think going to happen if one is one same diet and runs 250 week and then keeps same diet and increadses to 750weekly? :D
@onetimehard, good luck,lol, with the tablespoon of jelly and peanut butter, it could trigger a 10k calories glutonny firework ;D ;D
OTH keep getting shredded the way you know how bro get to two percent and shut them downThanks bro, you know I will ;)
Levrone was a big eater during his precontest phase, no 36 hour fasts for him.
yah yah, but comeon,lets not compare us to the likes of levrone.
haha.
you know, hamdi is bigger than me height for height, and harder at his best and better lines, and he stood next to lervone on the plympia stage and levrone would repeatedly laugh at him and make that "pffffff"(arrogant)tone.
levrone is not just other league, hes other universe.
speaking of levrone, where is he today how he look today, does he still eat 4000 calories? ;D
THAT would be a good comparo.
you are right Jeff. Kevin levrone ate 4000 calories per day every day precontest...might of been more i forget the number.Funny thing is he never gained a lb of muscle when he ate 4000 calories per day. Look at the off-season pic and the contest pic during the contest he prepared for in that video. Not 1 lb of muscle was gained.
Funny thing is he never gained a lb of muscle when he ate 4000 calories per day. Look at the off-season pic and the contest pic during the contest he prepared for in that video. Not 1 lb of muscle was gained.
Later on when he was 245lb and fat and then ended up at the Olympia at 240 shredded, He gained 20lb of muscle while being in caloric deficit.
;)
Well Levrone said himself that he would go no carbs and fish only for days to get "that crazy grainy look". Not sure how you get 4000 calories from fish.
let me tell you something that you will figure out in about 5 years time. Everyone claims they eat enormous amounts of carb pre-contest and it is just another common bodybuilding lie, like all other lies. I talk to pros that say in there interview they eat 300-400 grams of carbs and then they tell me, ''no bro I was about 150 grams per day, we say that shit so we can sell supplements''
he only did fish/vegetables the last 2 weeks pre contest. He ate beef throughout the majority of his prep, with lots of rice and sweet potatoes
yes i have pros who are much more frends to me than they are pros, as in were frends before we even started lifting, and they tell me the same thing.It is common sense, why would anyone buy 60 dollar fat burners when the pro claiming that he got ripped by using them and then he eat only chicken and broccoli.
told me its suprising how little some of the 270lbs on stage guys eat.
nobody in the world is geting to 4% with muscles on 4k calories.or 400 gramms carbs every day, its just not happening.not if they eat 400 gramm carbs and 200+ protein.
yah, even the efedrina and clen and t3, they may at best make a few 100 calories day difference, if that.ofc thats alot long term and even for a day when one does everyting perfect.I'd be real comfortable watching you die, chickenshit.
but ppl overestimate what these things will do.
im not sure if ppl realize this, but a proper contest shape, towards the end, youre somewhat dancing tango with death, just without touching, but near enough.4% is clearly and efetively beyond any comfort zone whatsoever.can forget carbs and such to get there.
i mean its doable with what i and none are doing, but thats hardly the same as a carb approach.
comfortable is until 6%, under that, is non comfort zone, there will be some sensation which some pl cant deal with.
I'd be real comfortable watching you die, chickenshit.???
yah, even the efedrina and clen and t3, they may at best make a few 100 calories day difference, if that.ofc thats alot long term and even for a day when one does everyting perfect.
but ppl overestimate what these things will do.
im not sure if ppl realize this, but a proper contest shape, towards the end, youre somewhat dancing tango with death, just without touching, but near enough.4% is clearly and efetively beyond any comfort zone whatsoever.can forget carbs and such to get there.
i mean its doable with what i and none are doing, but thats hardly the same as a carb approach.
comfortable is until 6%, under that, is non comfort zone, there will be some sensation which some pl cant deal with.
I'd be real comfortable watching you die, chickenshit.
tell you what sparkyYep, you keep doing what I said you were doing rather than what you think you are doing.
you just keep on talking about what isnt possible.
and i'll keep doing it.
it is cool being ripped and all, but is it good to be so ripped for strength?
i'm thinking that sitting @ sub-6 makes one more open to injuries from heavy lifting while staying at 7-8% is "safer"
you do NOT need to worry about getting lean of all people. Never thought I say this, but your one of the few people who would probably become a fat fuck...
and look better. Im fcking serious...lean is not a good look for you
dj, the factor time is running against you, not even permanent infusion would help in such short time ;D
;D
yeah i know ;DPumster had the drive.
and i have near ZERO fucking drive to train legs
but remember man, in my last update pics i was only doing push-ups for chest, now i use barbells and hammer machines and lets just say that my pecs are looking not so bad ;)
yeah i know ;D
and i have near ZERO fucking drive to train legs
but remember man, in my last update pics i was only doing push-ups for chest, now i use barbells and hammer machines and lets just say that my pecs are looking not so bad ;)
Pumster had the drive.
yup...a guy who obsesses about his physique all day, online on getbig for the past 10 years. calling people out.....NEVER dared used barbells or hammer machines a day in his life ::)
he trained with pink dumbells and pushups ::)
do you think anyone believes that shit?
i have an honest question for you DJ- forget bodybuilding lol- do you think you have the genetics to even be a 200lb lean guy? not even shredded, just get to 200lbs and not be a fatass.
I dont think you do..
but i thought that numbers didn't mean anything and it's all based on the mirror, at least that's what mr. n, no one, ugayjizz keep telling me ??? ??? ???
christ flinjones, what the fuck is up with constantly changing your posts ??? ??? ???
. If galeniko were to stop dieting and shoot up to 12% bf, he'd get just as many chicks.... he no one (two leanest guys here atm) do it purely out of narcism,...
Yep, you keep doing what I said you were doing rather than what you think you are doing.
And cut the "sparky" I have tried being respectful to you but you just don't respond.
Try and be nice for once in your life.
your height
what's funny about that, is that the best physique are usually on short guys
ie. paul-jean guillame, lee labrada, shawn ray
they're all 5'6"-5'7"
what's funny about that, is that the best physique are usually on short guys
ie. paul-jean guillame, lee labrada, shawn ray
they're all 5'6"-5'7"
what was his bench ???
i trained with barbells and and hammer machines 10 years ago, but over the last 10 years i didn't train at all for a good 3-4 years and then the next 4 years i only trained occasionally (maybe 2 times a month) btw heavy drinking bouts and over the last 2-3 years i only trained at home with my light dumbells and push-ups, so yeah i'm telling the truth
and as far as your question, i don't need to weigh 2 bills, imo 165-175 ripped is ideal for me
but i thought that numbers didn't mean anything and it's all based on the mirror, at least that's what mr. n, no one, ugayjizz keep telling me ??? ??? ???
see i call a spade a spade all the time- your an insecure asshole. that will never change, so feel free shove your 'nice' up your ass.
the bold is my problem with you. Your not only a smartass- but an asskisser who will brown nose the shit out of people to tell you what they want to hear(Cause they feel sorry for you) ......so they lay off a bit ...until you kiss their ass so bad they become embaressed....and want nothing to do with you.
the bold is my problem with you. Your not only a smartass- but an asskisser who will brown nose the shit out of people to tell you what they want to hear(Cause they feel sorry for you) ......so they lay off a bit ...until you kiss their ass so bad they become embaressed....and want nothing to do with you.
I've never had any problem with dj. I have no idea why are you attacking him so much. What's your point? Why do you care? I couldn't care less about what he looks like and what is he trying to accomplish in his life. Seriously, it looks like you guy are trying to feel better about your own life by belittling those you deem inferior to you. This makes you look horrible.
I know you're gonna now make jokes about me defending him but don't play dumb, you know it's not about him, it's about you guys trying to look like arrogant motherfuckers just a little bit too much.
yep, you see the truth
these dipshits try and put me down to build themselves up
again, my offer still stands to all my haters, and it goes something like this...
if you are so much better than me and can "own me" then prove it by entering this "physique" contest
and now, here we go again with the gazillion insults and not entering the contest
either enter the contest or STFU
how about you just stfu and let the men talk on here
you are an embarrassment to the human race
you skeletal hook nosed ugly cu nt
here we go again with the gazillion insults and not entering the contest
yep, you see the truth
these dipshits try and put me down to build themselves up
again, my offer still stands to all my haters, and it goes something like this...
if you are so much better than me and can "own me" then prove it by entering this "physique" contest
and now, here we go again with the gazillion insults and not entering the contest
either enter the contest or STFU
what's funny about that, is that the best physique are usually on short guysWTF you talking? Lee, Arnold, Dorian all over 5'6" 23 years.
ie. paul-jean guillame, lee labrada, shawn ray
they're all 5'6"-5'7"
I can see bigmc at my funeral now, some getbig tshirt "keep your cool"
"flinstones1,,, a true gentleman,,,,who lost his cool and blew out his kidneys in a forum showdown with woody allen"
Coming from a self admitted narcisist thats quite a statement.
Im not the one who has to starve himself for three days at a time, get out of bed to go and train arms because he feels hes shrivelling away to nothing to look the way you do.
Im a guy who does this in his spare time and eats a bit less food than he normaly does to get the same results only it takes me maybe a few weeks longer.
Yeah, it must be great to be you walking around with a face like an aids patient, pulling all the girls.
I like my physique to turn heads on the beach, not stomachs.
yah if cswol went for aestetics, we all would be suprised.
its bit a journey on donkey to rome for him, but doable.
if i were him id be extremly motivated to get lean.hes 6f 2, ok frame(just not visible currently)
guy hsould be laying half los angeles instead of uhm, what he did until recently
I can see bigmc at my funeral now, some getbig tshirt "keep your cool"
"flinstones1,,, a true gentleman,,,,who lost his cool and blew out his kidneys in a forum showdown with woody allen" ;D
You better hope Woody Allen doesn't see this. Can't imagine him being to thrilled with the comparison. ;D
no, instead you'll starve and do cardio for 16 weeks to put on a thong and oil and pump up, flex, grunt and grimmace in a room full of men. fucking hom0. lolSo have you, second in the super-heavies?
are you retarded by the way? who in their right mind thinks they look good other than you? how dare you compare yourself to the mighty 'no one'. theres trolling, and then theres making yourself look stupid. congratulations on achieving the latter.Dont your read other peoples posts?
your a complete mess, top to bottom. a never was who'll never be anything to speak of. welcome to mediocrity- population: you.Managed to win my class at area level, how did you do again?
have fun ballooning back up to and imo past whatever obese look you started at after your 'diet' is over, fatboy.Enjoy going back to 12% that you claimed you were at two weeks ago.
dismissed.Hardly.
Holy shit people, you guys all need to relax, this has turned into ''a fuck you too fest''
Actually fuck it, I am dieting and this is good entertainment,....
By all means, continue ;D
Holy shit people, you guys all need to relax, this has turned into ''a fuck you too fest''I aim to please. ;D
Actually fuck it, I am dieting and this is good entertainment,....
By all means, continue ;D
well, this im not suprised about, but i think the "v" board is the appropriate plac for your fantasies.Your intellect is lame and unfunny. Just keep taking drugs, chickenshit.
staying in shape year round
hahahaha ya bro, 'round' is a shape.
keep up the great work, dildo.
hahahahahahaha
NO NO, it's all good bro, besides Methuselah drew first blood ;)
sorry OTH. i'll lay off now. carry on with your journey dude. gal and i are cheering you on. :)
NO NO, it's all good bro, besides Methuselah drew first blood ;)
and thanks for the faith 8)
Allow me to get this thread back on track:I am very particular about detailing my physique and my goal is to do nationals next year. So I am getting ready now, but in 2 parts, I will get shredded now and see what improvements I need to make and go back to the drawing board but this time I am staying around 10% body fat throughout the winter and hope to add at least 10lb of muscle or more from the rebound and get ready for the season.
Once you reach your goal, what will be your year round maintenance level and what will your diet look like?
I am very particular about detailing my physique and my goal is to do nationals next year. So I am getting ready now, but in 2 parts, I will get shredded now and see what improvements I need to make and go back to the drawing board but this time I am staying around 10% body fat throughout the winter and hope to add at least 10lb of muscle or more from the rebound and get ready for the season.Sounds like a plan 8)
It will be 3 shows because I have not competed since 08. So have to do regionals, provincials then nationals.
Will start with the stratford show here in Ontario, which I already won the overall in 07, then Ontario's, then Canada.
So I am going basically kill myself from now till then
Allow me to get this thread back on track:But to give you an idea of what I would do, well pretty much eat the same but incorporate cheat meals and maybe add one serving of oatmeal upon waking up, but that would only allow 6% and not lower.
Once you reach your goal, what will be your year round maintenance level and what will your diet look like?
Today was leg day, it's ten days in no carbs put 405 on the squat and sunk it to the basement, ass to ground, for a solid 10 reps :)
This is the most I have done in almost a years since my ham tear in 2012.
Yes sir, I pay very close attention. I will never go to complete failure on legs, which means I actually had 2 more reps but threw them away. I warm up and if I feel any thing out of the norm the workout is done immediately.
when you lift heavy do you ever think about recurring injuries?
I witnessed a guy's knee popped out while he was squatting 560. It was years ago but still can't forget how horrible sight that was.That is horrible
Don't want to scare you though. :)
I hope you get to two percent body fat one time hard!Thanks bro, I hope so to, actually it is 3% but still very low. 8)
I hope you get to two percent body fat one time hard!
That is horrible
4 plates is my limit, if I get stronger then I will add reps, will not add anymore weight. ;)
OTH: with your no carb diet, do you get more muscle cramping than usual? I notice whenever I drop em low my muscles get pissed off and I cramp bad post workout, especially the bigger muscle groups. My guess is dropping then potatoes/sweet potatoes leaves me with less potassium.
that's the best way to think, squats are awesome if you are reasonable but what's the point in putting on too much weight if you fuck up your whole body afterwardYa the thing is the legs are so big that using higher reps actually works well, I would say 15 reps is like using 10 reps for chest or shoulder in comparison when it comes to legs. So certainly no need to go heavy with a weight that allows you to only do less then 10 reps unless you are a power lifter.
I have always liked leg press better as far as leg development goes, but I like to do some high rep sets of squat with 2 plates
OTH: with your no carb diet, do you get more muscle cramping than usual? I notice whenever I drop em low my muscles get pissed off and I cramp bad post workout, especially the bigger muscle groups. My guess is dropping then potatoes/sweet potatoes leaves me with less potassium.I am just starting to get tightness in the feet when I am on the roof, it seems like the bottom of my feet are curling up, weird feeling. For me the first signs of cramping always start with my feet, then calves, then hams, then lower back and abs, almost like it works its way up.
I am just starting to get tightness in the feet when I am on the roof, it seems like the bottom of my feet are curling up, weird feeling. For me the first signs of cramping always start with my feet, then calves, then hams, then lower back and abs, almost like it works its way up.
Now every time I get to 5-7% or lower I have a night or 2 where I wake up screaming from the pain of my calf being ceased, so I am sure I have few painful moments coming my way :D
Bump for any updates. :)
Bump for any updates. :)Day one=246
Ya the thing is the legs are so big that using higher reps actually works well, I would say 15 reps is like using 10 reps for chest or shoulder in comparison when it comes to legs. So certainly no need to go heavy with a weight that allows you to only do less then 10 reps unless you are a power lifter.
I know the feeling, I remember that from my last prep. I know Palumbo always says you just need to up your sodium, but I only get cramps when I drop my potassium-containing foods.
There's something called "half-salt" or "low-salt". It's basically table salt with a higher ratio of added potassium for people with High blood pressure.
It's way cheaper than Potassium pills, and each teaspoon contains 1.360g of potassium/1g of sodium.
When keto dieting, i would recommend taking upto 5g sodium, and 3g potassium, although you can get away with half that.
For balanced diet cut, you have to experiment and find the right dose.
You can find this product or a similar product at your grocery store, or drug store.
lol when you have cramps, magnesium and drink water.
forget manipulating sodium and water on anthing but very short term.
Day one=246
Day 11=227 ;)
wow thats carzy.I shit you not almost a box of chips ahoy a day ;D
but you came from 600gramms(hahahah)carbs daily ;D
Good deal bro, keep at it! :)Yes sir, TY
you got any solutions for cramping
do you do multiple work sets for the squats or was the 405x10 the main course? I've stopped doing more than 1-2 sets for the lift, esp with higher reps.I do this, ALL ANKLE DEEP SQUATS
I'm set to try 315x 20 today, we'll see how dieting affects me compared to you :x
There's something called "half-salt" or "low-salt". It's basically table salt with a higher ratio of added potassium for people with High blood pressure.
It's way cheaper than Potassium pills, and each teaspoon contains 1.360g of potassium/1g of sodium.
When keto dieting, i would recommend taking upto 5g sodium, and 3g potassium, although you can get away with half that.
For balanced diet cut, you have to experiment and find the right dose.
You can find this product or a similar product at your grocery store, or drug store.
I do this, ALL ANKLE DEEP SQUATS
1 plate x 20,
2 plate X 15
3 plate X 12
4 plate X 10
4 plate X 8
5 sets OF 8 PLATES PER SIDE LEG PRESS
I don't count, usually 15 reps, again all the way down with perfect form
That's it for the mass builder movements, the rest extentions, curls, lunges etc.
This is literally identical to my leg routine and form 8) except I do lower reps with 405nice 8)
very rarely, only if i was at beach all day and didnt drink enough.
but this conditioning is kinda on the verge, not just the cramps(this is easy dealt with), but at this leans, the muscle feel very,how can i say, they must be warmed up very well,they feel like they can get injured in no time.
this is stage with striations on inner quads, hamstrings even look striated,well,bc they are haha.the calves look like no skin there.
if i deliberately dont drink enough water, the body reacts furiously, cramps are the most nice issue then.
but i do drink plenty and i have like half packet of magnesium tabs every day,no joke.
i emailed you today about the water im dropping atm.(http://bharatlines.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/KIDNEY.jpg)
kidneys def getting dull throbbing feeling. almost sore.
you know your getting lean when...^ :D
fuck i love this shit.
i emailed you today about the water im dropping atm.I call that retarded.
kidneys def getting dull throbbing feeling. almost sore.
you know your getting lean when...^ :D
fuck i love this shit.
I call that retarded.
whats it like being such a fucking loser? lol like it so bad im almost embarassed for you. almost.I know you dont really mean that ;)
seriously bro, you look like a fucking retard chasing me around the board like the tail on a dog.
its only compounded by the fact you look like shit, and i look godlike next to you, so it screams hurt feelings.
no wonder your so sore- your BEST pic- not even the pile of shit your resemble now- but your best pic from when you thought your were 'something' isnt even close to what i walk around everyday.
its not my fault your fat and dumpy bro. blame your lack of willpower and not listening to help when its being provided.
please carry on, fatman, while we all mock and ridicule you.
but your best pic from when you thought your were 'something' isnt even close to what i walk around everyday.You were 12% bf 5 weeks ago??
please carry on, fatman, whileYou are on your own mate, nobody else is mocking and ridiculing my physique but you, strange that isnt it?we allI mock and ridicule you.
Goddamn man, you need to get off noone's nuts. You're quickly becoming the local getbig stalker. :-\
pretty sad. its not just me that sees it bro.
its ok fatty. i understand your pain. maybe we can help you thru it.
we're here to help.
like im worried about what you think. look at you.At least my kidneys work properly. For now :D
:D
UKBeth kinda borderline creepy with his obsession with No One.That's funny.
Shizzo being a whore as usual, backing random posters as to gain friends.
Carry on...
You keep saying "we" like other people are joining in with you. ???
I notice how you always gloss over my points, don't worry, "we" haven't missed it ;)
UKBeth kinda borderline creepy with his obsession with No One.
Shizzo being a whore as usual, backing random posters as to gain friends.
Carry on...
UKBeth kinda borderline creepy with his obsession with No One.Psychopath sounding like bigmc here.
Shizzo being a whore as usual, backing random posters as to gain friends.
Carry on...
no wonder your so sore- your BEST pic- not even the pile of shit your resemble now- but your best pic from when you thought your were 'something' isnt even close to what i walk around everyday.
hey no one any reason you reccomend enanthate nowdays as your go 2? always thought you were more of a prop kind of guy.. ???
lol when you have cramps, magnesium and drink water.
forget manipulating sodium and water on anthing but very short term.
(http://bharatlines.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/KIDNEY.jpg)
haha ..... jeff. Why cant you just give someone props where it's due? Ive known no one since 2010 ish, I know exactly what he wanted to look like in detail it was a white guy with a black look, like black guys who are 190 but look 215........and I'll tell you what after so many short comings,excuses, and bitches on this sight like dj181 "talking" about how they want to look like, it's nice to see someone actually achieve the look they talked about for so many years.
I do this, ALL ANKLE DEEP SQUATS
1 plate x 20,
2 plate X 15
3 plate X 12
4 plate X 10
4 plate X 8
5 sets OF 8 PLATES PER SIDE LEG PRESS
I don't count, usually 15 reps, again all the way down with perfect form
That's it for the mass builder movements, the rest extentions, curls, lunges etc.
exactly! lol you have a good memory. black guy structure on a white mans body.
i've re shaped the idea to wanting the symmetry of those 70's guys with the density, roundness and fulness you see today- kinda a hybrid super athletic look but still aesthetically pleasing. to me thatd be the 'ultimate look'. like a guy whos shredded 230 at 6'2, has great lines and looks like he can run a 40 in 4:4 :D thats the goal.
and thats what its about to me- the 'idea' and the application of knowledge in an attempt to achieve your goal. this is what drives me to train to diet and to do the things i do. its about the goal. can it be reached? yes. i honestly believe so.
:)
chees dude!
Might add you are not using AI cuz u no longer have any glands/gyno worries.Precisely^^^ ;)
Otherwise will grow bitch tits fast lol
hey no one any reason you reccomend enanthate nowdays as your go 2? always thought you were more of a prop kind of guy.. ???He has a point there, 5 years ago everyone was using prop for contest prep, but now you see more guys using test e during contest prep and they drop it 2 weeks out.
About 12-13 more pounds here. Back on diet.Good job bro and you are right at this point the scale has nothing to do with it.
I want to get down about 170, 175. Weight doesn't matter much, as long as I can get the look I want.
Long legs and medium to short trunk? Big, exploding shoulders with semi long arms?
Long legs and medium to short trunk? Big, exploding shoulders with semi long arms?
oh yeah, anything over 2000cals with test e wont end so well ;D
best to switch to non estrogen convertables at 10% bodyfat or so.
one example is , gh is said to give good fullness, but hrt level test will give better fullness than the gh,i think noone will agree with this.
not even tren is needed.
instead of saying theres this and that drug for the diet, its beter to say theres this ans that dier for this and taht drug.
example, on our approach, t3 use would be stupid.
when someone uses 10ius gh+,it would be smart to use t3.or t4.
when someone uses insulin, hed simply die on ketogenic diet,simple as that ;D
etc,the list is potentialy endless.
i started to embolden the good points here but as always its just point after point of applicable knowledge so ill address it as i go along.
i think your living proof about the hrt/fullness. like its one thing to 'speculate', its another to do it and say 'ok, this is what you cant expect', which you have and do.
i LOVE tren- i think anavar and tren were created by God and are His way of telling us He loves us and wants us to be happy. THAT being said, for some strange reason, and i dont know why- maybe its how efficiently the diet strips fat off the body and from around the muscle itself, there is no need for tren. none. and im a guy who has run it at 700-1400mg a wk for the better part of the year multiple years running in the past. for me to be able to say an ultra low cal diet will provide the look you need not the drug, i'd have to be pretty goddamn impressed with the results. in the book i lay out how to use tren optimally within the scope of the diet cause there is a time and place for it- its not a look im a big fan of (i prefer full and round and lean as opposed to grainy, dry and stone looking) but i can see say for a show it would be beneficial.
insulin. fuck where do is start. know it like the back of my hand. well enough to use 7iu log pwo on a zero carb diet. will i ever use it again? never. its just not necessary in the scope of what we are talking about. the body becomes so remarkably efficient at partitioning nutrients its just not needed.
fat burners and t3 etc. when your use an ultra low cal approach to fat loss, and your running a 8-12k cal deficit a week you HAVE to lose fat. there is NO need for a fat burner. not even when you get the low end of 6% do you need them. oddly enough you actually have to increase your macros timings and frequencies- what role would a burner have in this context then? none.
like you hinted at, its not the drugs that create the look, its the diet that creates the look. the drugs finish that look. too many people focus too much on the chemical aspect of this endeavour- thats why guys 'look' the way they do these days- and dont focus enough on the quality of the diet, and using the drugs to finish the look they are trying to achieve.
About 12-13 more pounds here. Back on diet.
I want to get down about 170, 175. Weight doesn't matter much, as long as I can get the look I want.
What was your lipid profile back then? Tren tends to have disastrous effects on that. I couldn't imagine running it on and off for couple years straight.
i thinks some people are much more resilient to the sides from anabolic usage than others. i had great tolerance and admittedly poor response. those who go pro are the ideal combination of great response/ great tolerance.
the only scare i ever had in my bloods was when i had been running 700mg ace wk/700mg prop wk/ for the better part of a year and then 60mg var ed/50mg winstrol ed for about 2 months. all my blood work came back within range across the board except my liver enzyme elevations which were 4x higher than normal. i stopped the var and winny, stayed on the tren and prop re took the bloods 7 weeks later and i was back within range.
this IS NOT an endorsement to run the compounds i did the way i did. i just found for myself the whole 'your kidneys are going to fall out on tren if you run it too long' to be a bunch of bullshit.
lol i dont even have to make this shit up. its too easy.
Jeff I think that he is just trolling you. There's no denying you look good, maybe not as great as when you were younger but still way above average. I think you're overreacting, you're chasing him all over the board and honestly it doesn't look good. It looks as if you were really hurt by his posts and got furious about it which is exactly what was his goal. I bet he hasn't even expected that you would react the way you do.
I hate both of you so I'm objective.
Jeff I think that he is just trolling you. There's no denying you look good, maybe not as great as when you were younger but still way above average. I think you're overreacting, you're chasing him all over the board and honestly it doesn't look good. It looks as if you were really hurt by his posts and got furious about it which is exactly his goal. I bet he hasn't even expected that you would react the way you do.Lmao, rotfl
I hate both of you so I'm objective.
damn, looks like it made its way out there :D
surely we didnt sell to half poland, only getbig members,lol.
try eq, maybe something like 300mg eq e+100 test e weekly. :D
I was refering to people criticizing my physique with you.
But maybe it went over your head.
I couldnt care less what people say about me trolling you, thats to be expected.
What is funny is you trying to ridicule my physique when you KNOW I look good.
Carry on, you just make yourself look dumb.
The fact that no one else has picked up on you dumb comment about feeling good because your kidneys are throbbing is testament to how many arse lickers there are on this site.
If dj181 had said it he would have been jumped on like theres no tomorrow
Lurkers be ashamed, be very ashamed. ::)
Jeff I think that he is just trolling you. There's no denying you look good, maybe not as great as when you were younger but still way above average. I think you're overreacting, you're chasing him all over the board and honestly it doesn't look good. It looks as if you were really hurt by his posts and got furious about it which is exactly his goal. I bet he hasn't even expected that you would react the way you do.
I hate both of you so I'm objective.
holy shit. this is getting to be a bit much. so im going to put an end to all this hopefully here and now.Epic post for someone who doesnt give a fuck.
i know im kinda famous and a big deal to mr beth and all but to need my validation and approval so badly isalmost borderlineweird to me.
let me say this, and i'll make it perfectly clear, so there can be no mistaking what im saying for anything but the truth.
i do not troll. in fact i am probably one of the most honest guys here- about everything, my usage, my training, my diet, my medical history, my opinions. no bullshit no lies no gimmickery. i give credit where credit is due, and i call a spade a spade. i man up and apologise when im wrong, and and i never acquiesce even when under heavy attack when im right.
the manner in which ukjeff presented his 'pic' is what raised my ire. we were going back and forth in that galeniko diet strategy thread (actually it was more him slagging me to fuck and beyond if you all recall till i got tired enough of it to put an end to it- if it helps i can post the posts here), and he posts up the pic as if to say 'there! see this shit! ya thats right boy, know your place'. lol holy fuck. really. and this is what you post. ok then. ::)
now if someone is going to post a 'death blow' photo it had sure as fuck better be impressive beyond all manner of doubt, and if it were i would have said, holy fuck dude, you look amazing and given him his props.
so, in his ridiculous attempt at 'owning someone' (which is odd to me why a 48 year old man needs to go to such lengths, anyway thats a whole other topic) what does he do? he posts a photo from 20 years ago, in the best shape of his life, on the day of his show- looking lean. thats it. lean. apart from his structure which God gave him there is nothing impressive about his build at all. there is NO pop to that physique. its flat, unimpressive and 2 dimensional. its simply 'there' nothing thats makes me go 'holy fuck!'. put that guy in t shirt and you wouldnt even know he trained. but im supposed to be IMPRESSED? cause hes lean? lol 1000's of guys get lean for their shows, is that impressive? no, its what your supposed to do. if your going to walk the walk, talk the talk, and otherwise be a dick, when you post that pic you had best bring the goods, son. what did he post? a pic of a guy whos lean. 20 years ago. lol and now im trolling cause i fail to be 'holy fuck dude you look awesome!'. you dont look awesome. you dont look spectacular. you are not impressive. not even memorable. the fact i cannot even be bothered to repost the pic here and critique it should speak volumes.
you want to post a photo that impresses me, under the context you presented yours, then post up something looking like bigro- thats IMPRESSIVE. like groink at 48- jacked to fuck- thats IMPRESSIVE. like gal and xfactor who walk around at <6% all year, not for ONE DAY- thats IMPRESSIVE .but be impressed by some guy who got lean for a show 20 some odd years ago? lol holy fuck. wake up call, sunshine- thats what your supposed to do. theres nothing IMPRESSIVE about it.
i hope this somewhat clears the air a bit so we can get OTH's thread back on track. and btw has anyone else noticed that EVERY SINGLE THREAD DERAILMENT is ukjeff starting with his bullshit? dude, just shut the fuck up, quit trolling me and quit cluttering up good threads like this. if you want to troll me there are 2 other threads started by gal and i where you can troll your hurt feelings till the fucking cows come home. but enough of your immature bullshit everywhere else.
cheers all! have a great day! :) (you too jeff, and i mean that)
how many copies have you sold?
?
?
? what? lol oh fuck let me hurry up with that number for you boss.
actually I don't have a number for you so I'll put it in words.
none of your fucking business- can you count that high?
:D
No one, for someone that hasn't used deca/NPP before, what dose would you suggest? As a poor student I was looking at a blend that had 200mg deca and 200mg NPP per ml.
i was asking the organ grinder not the monkey
hope that helps
not surprising you'd use a word like 'organ grinder' after having 'bigcyp' grind his organ into you every chance you two get.
gearbox.
wow turning the thread gay again
seems like you live for all things relating to the cock
like your wife? lol
you dont need a lot dude. 1ml of that a week would be great.
Doesn't NPP need to be shot fairly consistently, so would I be better splitting the ml in half at either ends of the week?It is a derivative of a prop ester so yes weekly injections will alter blood pressure, better off doing it twice a week.
It is a derivative of a prop ester so yes weekly injections will alter blood pressure, better of doing it twice a week.
Doesn't NPP need to be shot fairly consistently, so would I be better splitting the ml in half at either ends of the week?
Hey, I know you've had the gyno surgery and you've mentioned that they removed the glands. I was looking for that thread where you discussed it but couldn't find it. Anyways, I always hear that they can't do so cause the nipples will cave in...what's the deal with that?It depends on the persons anatomy. In my case Dr. Lista, a cosmetic surgeon from Mississauga assured me he left NO glands behind, meaning he removed it all, that is his claim, My nipple are fine as you can see from my pics.
It depends on the persons anatomy. In my case Dr. Lista, a cosmetic surgeon from Mississauga assured me he left NO glands behind, meaning he removed it all, that is his claim, My nipple are fine as you can see from my pics.
So basically surgeons won't remove everything if they feel it will cave in severely,. which is my understanding. So it happens to some but doesn't happen to others. Now I did recently notice something odd.
Now half my feeling is gone in my nipples, which is normal but I can still feel, recently I noticed the strangest thing though, when it is extremely hot my right nipple itches, weird. lol, it is nerve thing probably from the surgery. :-\
Now this thread has me confused.
lolWe all got to stay together no matter what chaos says.
23 pages....can't be all quality material ;D
Shit man hopefully its not flaring up again. Cause you know, people say you can't get it once you've had the operation but I've heard differently. Thanks for the explanation btw...Under law the Surgeon says he has to say it may come back. I asked him and he said it might, then whispered under his breath ''in a 1000 years'' then winked at me, so I took that as it will not come back.
lol
23 pages....can't be all quality material ;D
Under law the Surgeon says he has to say it may come back. I asked him and he said it might, then whispered under his breath ''in a 1000 years'' then winked at me, so I took that as it will not come back.
TBH that was 2008 and not a single sign of gyno at all. Keep in mind that your nipples can hold water retention at the tips and that is NOT gyno, just some water that may cause a very slight pointy-ness and some may confuse this with gyno.
I understand he's just covering his ass but the fact he has to say it tells me that the possibility no matter how small will be there.Questions are not annoying at all, they are very good questions bro ;)
Getting annoying here with the questions but is there some kind of clause/guarantee that a doctor agrees to that if it comes back he'll re do the op?
Questions are not annoying at all, they are very good questions bro ;)
Answer-
No and that's why he says it may come back, because if it does then he is not responsible. So no clause or guarantee, that is why you have to go with the best of the best, the one with the beast rep.
This guy has done over 2000 breast implants and has removed gyno a lot of times in the hundreds, he is the best. Oh btw, he says out of all the people he has done, not one has been back or reported the gyno coming back. I still think the possibility is there but unlikely.
lol
23 pages....can't be all quality material ;D
well mine regrew and so did for couple frends, but nobody of them had glands entirely removed.
but when you see the glands when theyre out, you know, before your eyes, it makes you wonder where the hell that came from.
its definitely glued to the muscle(could hear when the doc ripped it off of it)and im not sure if the starting point is always under the nipple or if it can develop from outer nipple area.
its weird.
You make a valid point sir. I shall continue to follow this meandering thread and post MY pictures at the appropriate time. Carry on gentlemen.
You know its not so much the money that concerns me, its more the constant worrying that it may come back. That's why I'd just opt to take the whole thing out and if I get the inverted nipple look I wonder if they can put some sort of implant instead. Fuck I sound like anabolichalo right now lolThere are fat red head girls on this site.
;D
There are fat red head girls on this site.
We all got to stay together no matter what chaos says.Divide and conquer!!!
well mine regrew and so did for couple frends, but nobody of them had glands entirely removed.TBH gal I don't think we had the same procedure done, because you said you were at the gym within a couple days, I could not even move for 48 hours and was out of the gym for at least 3 weeks.
but when you see the glands when theyre out, you know, before your eyes, it makes you wonder where the hell that came from.
its definitely glued to the muscle(could hear when the doc ripped it off of it)and im not sure if the starting point is always under the nipple or if it can develop from outer nipple area.
its weird.
Divide and conquer!!!Damn old brings me a computer to fix today eat up with viruses maybe I'm just being a nice guy but the dude was old as hell felt sorry for him.
nah, man, it was the same thing done, he went way into the chest all sides, direction armpits etc, my chest looked all colours of rainbows for quite a while.OH shit, my bad, lol, wow bro you are an animal, I folded, lol. Ya the bruising was crazy. :D
the first 2 days were absolute hell, as you say too.and i had to work, didnt want the boss to know, my former work coleagues knew and helped me do my stuff for me.i couldnt lift arm above roman salute, opening car door was ,lol, dangerous haha.
but it didnt stop me from going to the gym next day and train arms, this was rather a bet, bc a guy who i knew went to icehockey training one day after.both with the drainage pipes still in.
all the painmeds helped fuck all.
but this is testimony how big my motivation and drive are to train.rest assured its the same op, and it hurt like nothing in life before ;D
i had broken bones and stuff before, its nothing in comparo.
it was so bad , even weeks after, the blood would spill from the wound if i flexed anything too hard.
this was the hardest time ever, for i wanted to stay lean and with the total pussy training i did there,it was extremly hard.
you know, its that kind of pain which you like to "forget", haha, before the second op i was telling to myself it wont be so bad, surived last time blabla.
rude awakening, obviously.
after the first one, i remember even a month later, i jumped into water, you know that head first kinda dive, and landed somewhat on chest, damn that pain was intense.
and after the second op, i went clubing about 1 week later and some woman pinched my left nipple, and it filled with blood so fast and alot(tennisball size, no joke), i was sweating everywhere from the pains, and it looked like itd explode any minute,and guess what, it did ;D
so bc of that,my left nipple had the plessure of being cut 3 times by now, btw even 4months later, i can feel the wound,where it was cut, when weather-tempchanges fast.
oh and yeah the second op was stationry, no full narcosis, full awake, i looked into mirror to see the op opening, the nipples were gaped like cutains to look through, it resembled a prolapsed anus.
quite the mengele experience i tell you ;D
with my tits everything that could went wrong, but all worth it, they look fantastic now :D
you know, its that kind of pain which you like to "forget", haha, before the second op i was telling to myself it wont be so bad, surived last time blabla.
rude awakening, obviously.
after the first one, i remember even a month later, i jumped into water, you know that head first kinda dive, and landed somewhat on chest, damn that pain was intense.
and after the second op, i went clubing about 1 week later and some woman pinched my left nipple, and it filled with blood so fast and alot(tennisball size, no joke), i was sweating everywhere from the pains, and it looked like itd explode any minute,and guess what, it did ;D
so bc of that,my left nipple had the plessure of being cut 3 times by now, btw even 4months later, i can feel the wound,where it was cut, when weather-tempchanges fast.
oh and yeah the second op was stationry, no full narcosis, full awake, i looked into mirror to see the op opening, the nipples were gaped like cutains to look through, it resembled a prolapsed anus.
quite the mengele experience i tell you ;D
with my tits everything that could went wrong, but all worth it, they look fantastic now :D
224lb
lost 22 lb in 14 days. Mostly water.
The scale is gone for good. will not weigh myself until I reach the following.
Must have striated Christmas tree
Must have striated quads
Must have striated glutes
Must have Striated Chest
Don't care about weight, do not care about the amount of muscle I have at all. The objective is to reach the lowest body fat possible at all expense, even if it costs me muscle, this is an experiment for body fat only.
Holy fuck. Lol.lol dont belive that. Every time someone has done something galeniko comes up with a way worse story. I like hil bit he likes to tell made up storys.
Striations are really weird thing, I have striations on quads at 15% bf right now, lol.
What do you think is his bf here? They claim single digits, imo its bs. You can see fat on his chest and on a lot of it on lower abs. It's surprising coz Levrone apparently holds fat in exactly same places I do. IMO it's fucking 14% bf or something like that. 1:24 - no six pack, you can see fat on his stomach...
nah its exactly as said, whats there so hard to believe , if youre not careful during gyno recovery, bad things will happen.well if you say so...but i would love to have seen your face when the whore twisted your nipple =D
oth, thats a nice mindset and all, have you had a cheat meal yet? ;D
oh that was "just" a fierce moment of pain, but the shock when i felt and seen the area growing later on,haha,that was terrible.lol there is something really wrong with you people from the baltic areas haha.
in the hospital the nurse or doc,i dont know, asked me what level of pain i was in from 1-10.
i told her 11, she rolled her eyes, then i said ok serious 9.5,then she goes "thats imposible 8 and up you can stand by yourself", i tod her,well then its borderline 8 for i could barely stand up.
that girl from the club i seen again later on and told her she can now pinch the nipple all she wants :D
frend had the same thing happening,kinda, he went training legs too early and his nipple too, "exploded".
oh, i had to remove-draw some blood later on from there too, 2 members from here know,haha, i put the needle in all the wrong places ;D
he's not 14% more closer to 10%
what about King Zane's fat here? i'd say 8-9%
(http://www.bodybuildbid.com/articles/mrolympia/imgs/zane/zane1.jpg)
Striations are really weird thing, I have striations on quads at 15% bf right now, lol.People are never going to get it. Why do people have to change shit all the time?
What do you think is his bf here? They claim single digits, imo its bs. You can see fat on his chest and on a lot of it on lower abs. It's surprising coz Levrone apparently holds fat in exactly same places I do. IMO it's fucking 14% bf or something like that. 1:24 - no six pack, you can see fat on his stomach...
good job buddy keep up the good work.ya, it sucks to do so in the summer, especially for fun but hey, a challenge can only be a good thing, I think.
damn you are good doing this for no reason and also in the summer.
dieting in the summer fucking sucks with all the parties and nice dinners all the time, I wouldn't diet right now even if my life depended on it
thanks, energy level are a little off upon waking up but once I break that barrier every morning and get the blood going I am really good, plus the loss of over 20 lb has given me a sense of athleticism and agility, I feel great, hard work but a gratifying feeling.
Ontopic: good job oth, how is your energy levels
nice thread oth,,,insane condition and pics are coming,,,,i know no wager needed cause u will deliver ,,,its fun to push your personal physique limit with no reward other than your own self appreciation to doing it,,,and get big of course :D....the past few months with uk/no one/gali of course/u/even our own djego181/myself.. pushing it and all the pics is giving motivation to out do or out diet each other,,,keeps things fun in between the real bbing stuff we will soon have with mro talk soon,,,I hope we aren`t in competition with one another to see who gets the leanest, if we are, all you guys might as well give up, lollolllo JUST KIDDING ;D ;D ;D
I hope we aren`t in competition with one another to see who gets the leanest, if we are, all you guys might as well give up, lollolllo JUST KIDDING ;D ;D ;Dleanest part could be u in the end :),,we all have different looks ,,weights/heights ,we don't have weight class other than you that we are shooting for,just the best we can look without trying to total dry out bbing style ,,close but not quite.thats your territory for now...
Ya transforming physically does a lot more for someone`s life then most think, the journey is emotional and mentally draining to the point that you come out with a different view of life. the challenge makes it rewarding and after it is all said and done everything else seems easier.
I love being a bodybuilder but I get sick and tired of hearing you want to look like that over a plastic trophy, so now I get to look like that without a trophy at the other end, lol.
yes the 9point caliper test gets me 2% lower readings too.ya because when in single digits the lower back is thin skin and the calf also brings the average down.
so,add 2% to levrones in the vid.
yeah he pinched him in all the wrong places.something cswole would do ;D
something cswole would do ;Dcswol would pinch his forehead, over the foot and hands and claim 3% bodyfat
you going to throw up some progress pics oth
Striations are really weird thing, I have striations on quads at 15% bf right now, lol.common for obsessive squatters
What do you think is his bf here? They claim single digits, imo its bs. You can see fat on his chest and on a lot of it on lower abs. It's surprising coz Levrone apparently holds fat in exactly same places I do. IMO it's fucking 14% bf or something like that. 1:24 - no six pack, you can see fat on his stomach...
you going to throw up some progress pics othno, sorry bro, I need it to be a shock value thing. I need your guys feedback, so want to bring the pics in when I am more shredded then I have ever been and let you guys decide if this is so, but fuck time is ticking fast, so will be here before we know it. :)
cswol would pinch his forehead, over the foot and hands and claim 3% bodyfatlmao :D
I think we are going to have to wait for the 3% ..hang on .....no 5%....wait, wait...4.5%.At this point it does not matter any more because all measurements are done with for good. My goals no longer include measurements of any types, just a ``look`` of a certain leanness that I attend to achieve. So when I do achieve that look and I already am across the finish line then I will do measurements and shit for you guys and for people`s interest to see what % of fat my look is but for me it means nothing at that point, weight means nothing, body fat means nothing.
Fucking callipers.
I don't do the load ups for a mental boost or for energy. If a person isn't motivated enuff to work thru the hunger and tiredness then too fucking bad find another hobby. I do them for a couple different reasons, first it helps stimulate the metabolism and by the time you have gone zero carb over the course of 6 days your muscles will soak up all the nutrients that you throw at them. I don't believe in the traditional carb up on this day. Eating straight carbs does not seem to get the job done as well as eating carbs with some fat. I have my theories as to why, but that's another post too long for this one. Obviously it does help a person mentally to know that they will be able to gorge once a week I'm not denying that, but that's just an aside.
Thank you very much for your response. I too have noticed the exact same thing. Eating straight carbs doesn't work very well to reload the muscles. In my experience, not just some fat but a very large amount of fat works best. In fact, eating outright junk food is best to get a good pump n the gym the day after IMO (as Gal and others have also mentioned).
When coaching people, what exactly do you have them eat if maximum muscle replenishment is the goal?
If you look at the amount of fat stored in muscles, it is not much and therefore not a whole lot of fat should be needed on that basis. However, in theory, doing the rice and chicken breast thing and adding some olive oil plus almonds to the meal never works as well as eating fries, burgers and finishing off with a huge milkshake. Even gettign the exact same carbs/protein/fat from almonds, olive oil, coconuts, rice and chicken breast doesn't work the same way IME....
Please share theories on why this may be so, if this fits with your experiences as well and, most importantly, what kind of reload meal is in your view best to replenish muscle reserves.
Thanks a ton...
yeah the spillovers are ridiculous.
but damn,an,thats a rather small fillup, try doing a full out everything goes once in a while and see what happens, the initial water retention will be brutal, but see what happens the next day(s). ;D
Burgers and fries is the perfect cheat for me to achieve this look. I love pizza the most but it's a bit too much and the spill over gets ridiculous. But 2 double cheeseburgers and a large fry = perfection.
what's your estimated bodyfat at right now?
whats my BF% here?
(http://s9.postimg.org/68c0fiftr/ripped.jpg)
OTH, what kind of foods are you eating on this diet?
Are you just eating trace carbs and fats?
8.34521% Bodyfat according to a 9 point skin caliper reading done 3 times in a 24 hour period, every 8 hours, with the median figures coming out to approximately the cited figure listed above.
whats my BF% here?
(http://s9.postimg.org/68c0fiftr/ripped.jpg)
Read from page 1 Douche brother.
OTH, what kind of foods are you eating on this diet?I normally would eat more fat then I am and even more protein, Possibly some carbs once a week or so as well as a cheat meal, however the main purpose of this diet is to see how fast I can lose all my bodyfat and to see how far the human body can go. My target was 60 days, a traditional approach would have had me ready in 75-80 days. UKjeff's approach would have taken 226 days etc.... :D
Are you just eating trace carbs and fats?
I normally would eat more fat then I am and even more protein, Possibly some carbs once a week or so as well as a cheat meal, however the main purpose of this diet is to see how fast I can lose all my bodyfat and to see how far the human body can go. My target was 60 days, a traditional approach would have had me ready in 75-80 days. UKjeff's approach would have taken 226 days etc.... :D
I am eating around 2.3 lb of combined chicken breast and talipia fish, usually split into 4 meals ( I tried 5 meals at the beginning but didn't work out). With every meal I have one standard serving of vegetables such cauliflower, asparagus, broccoli etc
This way I lose 2 thirds of my estimated weight loss in the first third of the 60 days (20 days) and the last third of the weight lose is done in the last 2 thirds because at that point I am in single digits and a lb of fat is harder to lose and my water is low already as well.
This is 17 days in and I feel I am at least 3 days ahead of intended schedule, maybe even 4 days.
No cheat meal, no re-fills, no carbs, nothing but what I mentioned for the last 17 days, it's not easy though but I remain stubborn.
So your not really eating any carbs or fat to speak of? Just protein sources? Fuck that bro. Your workouts must absolutely suck at this point.I guarantee my work outs crush yours ;)
I normally would eat more fat then I am and even more protein, Possibly some carbs once a week or so as well as a cheat meal, however the main purpose of this diet is to see how fast I can lose all my bodyfat and to see how far the human body can go. My target was 60 days, a traditional approach would have had me ready in 75-80 days. UKjeff's approach would have taken 226 days etc.... :D
I am eating around 2.3 lb of combined chicken breast and talipia fish, usually split into 4 meals ( I tried 5 meals at the beginning but didn't work out). With every meal I have one standard serving of vegetables such cauliflower, asparagus, broccoli etc
This way I lose 2 thirds of my estimated weight loss in the first third of the 60 days (20 days) and the last third of the weight lose is done in the last 2 thirds because at that point I am in single digits and a lb of fat is harder to lose and my water is low already as well.
This is 17 days in and I feel I am at least 3 days ahead of intended schedule, maybe even 4 days.
No cheat meal, no re-fills, no carbs, nothing but what I mentioned for the last 17 days, it's not easy though but I remain stubborn.
I guarantee my work outs crush yours ;)On no carbs or fat? I trust ya bro but based on my experience that is hard to believe.
Best work outs of my life, nailing every single one of them everyday and some of my lifts have gone up
315 on flat bench the other day for 15 reps
500lb deadlifts for 10 reps the other day
I did 5 sets of 135lb curls for 20 reps the other day as well.
On no carbs or fat? I trust ya bro but based on my experience that is hard to believe.I will tell you why you think this and everyone else thinks this;
Thanks for the awesome response!Let me add to this a bit so you get the full picture. I drink diet pop throughout the day which has a tad of caffeine, just enough to get me going and keep me alert throughout the day, I take a mild fat burner for energy, one that has green tea extracts in it cause the green tea extracts really help your brain a lot. I take 10 gram of fats in a capsule (EFA) healthy fats also help me stay alert and I drink a black coffee with sweetener prior to my workouts and some ephedrine and I am good to go all day, full of energy and relaxed.
Let me add to this a bit so you get the full picture. I drink diet pop throughout the day which has a tad of caffeine, just enough to get me going and keep me alert throughout the day, I take a mild fat burner for energy, one that has green tea extracts in it cause the green tea extracts really help your brain a lot. I take 10 gram of fats in a capsule (EFA) healthy fats also help me stay alert and I drink a black coffee with sweetener prior to my workouts and some ephedrine and I am good to go all day, full of energy and relaxed.SOUNDS RIGHT,,,BODY COULD DO A LOT ON THIS PLUS THE FAT BURNING /DIURETIC PROPERTIES AS WELL,,,
translation=i'm a fat bloated toad
Really ??? You sure you wanna go there?OH NO HE DIDN'T,,,
OH NO HE DIDN'T,,,
I normally would eat more fat then I am and even more protein, Possibly some carbs once a week or so as well as a cheat meal, however the main purpose of this diet is to see how fast I can lose all my bodyfat and to see how far the human body can go. My target was 60 days, a traditional approach would have had me ready in 75-80 days. UKjeff's approach would have taken 226 days etc.... :D
I am eating around 2.3 lb of combined chicken breast and talipia fish, usually split into 4 meals ( I tried 5 meals at the beginning but didn't work out). With every meal I have one standard serving of vegetables such cauliflower, asparagus, broccoli etc
This way I lose 2 thirds of my estimated weight loss in the first third of the 60 days (20 days) and the last third of the weight lose is done in the last 2 thirds because at that point I am in single digits and a lb of fat is harder to lose and my water is low already as well.
This is 17 days in and I feel I am at least 3 days ahead of intended schedule, maybe even 4 days.
No cheat meal, no re-fills, no carbs, nothing but what I mentioned for the last 17 days, it's not easy though but I remain stubborn.
On no carbs or fat? I trust ya bro but based on my experience that is hard to believe.
I will tell you why you think this and everyone else thinks this;
The body is the most ''self efficient problem solving machine''
When the body drinks alcohol once, twice then 3 times it adjust and raises up the tolerance levels to combat any side effects caused by the alcohol
Drugs same thing. Everything is adapted by the body.
In your case it never worked because you never went deep enough to allow your body to adapt, you might have done it for a couple days or even a week but for your body to use your body fat as fuel at the same efficiency as it uses carbs would take at least a week or even 10 days if you have never done it before but once it does this you are home free until there is no fat left.
Your body fat can provide the same amount of energy then your carbs, in fact even more if you use stimulant, which I do because you do not get the negative hormones that come with carbs that make you lethargic.
Lol all of a sudden 230 lbs at 8.5% is "a fat bloated toad." This coming from Skeletor himself ;D Whatever man 8)
lol pay him no mind bro.
he doesn't realise that 230 at 8.5 is about 220 at 5%. lol
he's what 160? math has never been my thing but I'd say that's a 70 pound difference in lean tissue.
:D
* in before dj rattles on abt symmetry illusion etcetera. and ukbeth gays up the board further with his neediness.
Thanks brotha. To be honest I shouldn't make myself vulnerable and get my feelings hurt from silly Internet comments from anorexic boys who poke fun at me.
To soothe my wounds, I'm gonna take my girl out tonight and dominate a large deep dish pizza after we train legs and then bang for approximately 35-45 minutes before crashing. DJ187 may have won the battle, but I have won the war. 8)
is it bad when I read that ^ all I can picture is eating a pizza instead of banging a broad? lol
Totally understandable ;D
yep, lots of aneroxic guys walk around with 16 inch RIPPED arms
oct 31st ;)
yep, lots of aneroxic guys walk around with 16 inch RIPPED arms
oct 31st ;)
You say this like it's something special ???
at a bodyweight of a buck 60 it's not too shabbySO IN DJEGO181 WORLD
and it's a RIPPED 16 inch arm, there's a big difference between a 16 inch arm @ 6-7% and one at 10-12%
at a bodyweight of a buck 60 it's not too shabby
and it's a RIPPED 16 inch arm, there's a big difference between a 16 inch arm @ 6-7% and one at 10-12%
My point is that nobody on here cares. My arms are 18.5" cold when I wake up, over 20" pumped. but guess how many people here give actual shits about either of our "measurements" (oh brother): ZERO
Nobody cares about your tiny shredded arms dude. I'm not gonna pick on you any more because its very cliche to bully you on here.
Just saying that all this self-aggrandizement is getting old and played out man.
look dude, how many times to i have to say that i don't want to be "big"RON MOSS HAS SPOKEN ;)...
this picking on me shit don't get to me coz my exact goal is.... 165-170 RIPPED
stop, finished, no more
i go for my idea of aesthetics which is 165-170 RIPPED, and i don't need to be "big"
look dude, how many times to i have to say that i don't want to be "big"
this picking on me shit don't get to me coz my exact goal is.... 165-170 RIPPED
stop, finished, no more
i go for my idea of aesthetics which is 165-170 RIPPED, and i don't need to be "big"
Perfect, you've achieved your goal! Then we won't be forced to read any more of your boastful drivel you shredded muscle man! :DDUE AMICI,,,SIMPATICO,,
btw what the fuck is that fool doing now posting nudes in your thread for attention? what a fucking desperate clown. Jesus Christ imagine going thru life like that?It was because OTH mentioned ripped glutes and shredded lower backs, I just thought people may want to see an example of it before OTH posts his pics. ;)
nobody cares about 20 years ago bro. nobody.correction, that was me on the 9th July ;)
this is you now.
sorry about your luck.
I will tell you why you think this and everyone else thinks this;
The body is the most ''self efficient problem solving machine''
When the body drinks alcohol once, twice then 3 times it adjust and raises up the tolerance levels to combat any side effects caused by the alcohol
Drugs same thing. Everything is adapted by the body.
In your case it never worked because you never went deep enough to allow your body to adapt, you might have done it for a couple days or even a week but for your body to use your body fat as fuel at the same efficiency as it uses carbs would take at least a week or even 10 days if you have never done it before but once it does this you are home free until there is no fat left.
Your body fat can provide the same amount of energy then your carbs, in fact even more if you use stimulant, which I do because you do not get the negative hormones that come with carbs that make you lethargic.
So, when your body is using fat as its primary fuel source, does that automatically mean your glycogen stores are depleted, or does the body keep some glycogen for anaerobic emergencies?
tx
nah bro. yesterday doesn't mean much to me.
nah bro. yesterday doesn't mean much to me.
Just one thing, your waist seems to be getting a bit thick, cant beat middle age spread as my dad used to say.
We do have very similar physiques you and me.
Sick!! Jealous of your Levroneesque traps. I wish my traps inserted mid clavicle like that. Mine are big on me but the insert way out wide on my AC joint...less impressive looking due to insertion.
dude i cant even train them or they just get out of control.
thanks man!
DIEZEL....
nah bro. yesterday doesn't mean much to me.
listen up, nancy. you and i have nothing in common- and that includes failing eyesight- so dont dare try to ingratiate yourself to the mighty 'no one'.
not to be a jerkoff and take sides both are very good,,but I thought they were both u ukjeff,,similar builds and look and shape or am I seeing things,,looks like a new pic with your contest pic ,,I see there a good comparison.same trap lines/chest its similar,,,
IMO one of the few muscles that can never be too big. It looks good on you (no homo unless you want it to be).
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=485802.25
njflex must have bad eyesight as well. ;)
hahaha bring on the homo! :D
i get what your saying 100% but its not part of the look i want, you know? dude i know for fact i could be walking around at 260-270 as lean as i am now and a freak of nature. just holds no appeal to me. i told a buddy of mine this weekend- i dont want anything to jump out', i just want a nice balanced athletic looking physique, with appreciable muscle thats easy to maintain, without having to use a shit load of anabolics.
dude i know for fact i could be walking around at 260-270 as lean as i am now and a freak of nature. just holds no appeal to me.Shame that, you could be Mr Olympia.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=485802.25
njflex must have bad eyesight as well. ;)
actually njflex is one guys opinion on here i respect tremendously. hes been in the trenches as long as any of us.
but you cannot compare our two builds based on a body part looking similar.
thats like saying the empire state building and a one bedroom condo are similar cause they both have windows and doors. :D
sorry bro. you are nothing like me. never will be. thats ok tho too. mediocrity is better suited for some more than others.
I feel ya, you are sculpting your physique like an artist. A noble goal considering this approach to bodybuilding is dying nowadays.
He thought the photos were the same person, jeez just accept the fact we have similar shaped bodies.(although we have yet to see your legs, your best body part I recall you saying)
It wont kill you you know.
You are right, Im nothing like you, I can give credit where its due. :)
sorry dont mean to interrupt but im here so i'll answer- the body can and will convert nutrients other than carbs into glycogen.
imo people put too much emphasis on glycogen. its simply not needed in the way we tend to think about it- ie needing carbohydrates.
cmon man. dont fold like this. fuck ive been enjoying this little head to head we got going on.Fold?
at least end it with a 'for now' or some shit.
cause you and i both know your not being placating out of any sense of demureness. you have something up your sleeve. and i look forward to the unveiling.
cheers sir.
Yes, Gluconeogenesis.You can lose fat while eating carbs and no your glycogen stores don't have to be depleted
I'm just unclear as to whether fat loss (fat being removed from the fat cells) can occur before glycogen stores are depleted.
In OTH's initial post, he mentions fasting to use up glycogen to get into a fat burning state ASAP; yet some seem to be able to lose fat while still eating what you would consider high high carbs.
Yes, Gluconeogenesis.
I'm just unclear as to whether fat loss (fat being removed from the fat cells) can occur before glycogen stores are depleted.
In OTH's initial post, he mentions fasting to use up glycogen to get into a fat burning state ASAP; yet some seem to be able to lose fat while still eating what you would consider high high carbs.
Fold?
Never.
I do have something up my sleeve, its a ripped vascular forearm. ;)
amen my brother amen.
the 70's were 'bodybuilding'. imo i find the physique 'coach' had back in the day- a guy who was just a gym rat like us who did a show or two- more impressive than the physiques you see today, no matter the level of competition. he has very nubret-ish/ zane type lines. fucking great physique on him. put just 10-15 pounds of lean on him in the right places? jesus. THATS BODYBUILDING.
to each their own. :)
Wow, almost no fat and carbs. I would die. Keep up the good work.Thank you sir 8)
bang on bro! keep spitting truth. it's not 'supposed' to work but goddamn it works amazingly well for something that's not supposed to work eh?You guys are the ones who motivated me to do this, you and gal. So i thank you guys ;)
the whole 'I find it hard to believe' is a mindset that prevents people from maximizing their potentials. if people would just put the doubts aside and LISTEN to what they are being told and APPLY what is being shared they'd make gains in leaps and strides over what they are doing now. fear is a helluva crippling thing.
btw what the fuck is that fool doing now posting nudes in your thread for attention? what a fucking desperate clown. Jesus Christ imagine going thru life like that?
anyway-keep going bro. I know it motivates gal and I to see your desire and commitment. I'm sure others feel the same way. major props and keep teaching those who chose to listen.
Yes, Gluconeogenesis.The body can burn fat while carbs are present but to me it is paying for the same real estate twice, you see my moto is this .... why would I burn 50% fat from my body and 50% carb intake when I can be burning 100% fat from my body instead ;)
I'm just unclear as to whether fat loss (fat being removed from the fat cells) can occur before glycogen stores are depleted.
In OTH's initial post, he mentions fasting to use up glycogen to get into a fat burning state ASAP; yet some seem to be able to lose fat while still eating what you would consider high high carbs.
My arms are 18.5" cold when I wake up, over 20" pumped.
I will tell you why you think this and everyone else thinks this;
The body is the most ''self efficient problem solving machine''
When the body drinks alcohol once, twice then 3 times it adjust and raises up the tolerance levels to combat any side effects caused by the alcohol
Drugs same thing. Everything is adapted by the body.
In your case it never worked because you never went deep enough to allow your body to adapt, you might have done it for a couple days or even a week but for your body to use your body fat as fuel at the same efficiency as it uses carbs would take at least a week or even 10 days if you have never done it before but once it does this you are home free until there is no fat left.
Your body fat can provide the same amount of energy then your carbs, in fact even more if you use stimulant, which I do because you do not get the negative hormones that come with carbs that make you lethargic.
speaking from personal experience, carbs never did shit for me in terms of size and strength gains...
increasing my fat intake however....
Perfect, you've achieved your goal! Then we won't be forced to read any more of your boastful drivel you shredded muscle man! :D
I hear you bro and that all sounds good but the fact is you are not only burning fat but a ton of muscle right along with it. Even with the hormones.well no, I don't assume anything you did, I just thought you have never tried it before because you said in a previous post that after a few days it was not working or maybe I am mistaking, either way you are an obvious beast when it comes to dieting, your shredded so obviously you get the job doen.
None the less, I get your point and this is not something you will be doing for a long period.
BTW, dont assume i have only tried something for a week or 10 days. I think you know that I am certainly not lazy when it comes to dieting.
well no, I don't assume anything you did, I just thought you have never tried it before because you said in a previous post that after a few days it was not working or maybe I am mistaking, either way you are an obvious beast when it comes to dieting, your shredded so obviously you get the job doen.
As for losing muscle, I do not lose even an once and I know there is probably no way of proving this but look at these two pics one at 247 lb the other at 212 give or take a lb, does it look like I lost any muscle at all? I don't think so, same diet, no carbs. these are like 7 weeks apart
scientific paper i read,yes i do that lol, says glycogen stores can never be 100% depleted,never.
small trace rest wil always be there or we die, something like that.
im still trying to find some scince on whether its possible to burn fat while glygogen stores are full, or half full.
shoulld be possible but id love to have the details
Thank you very much for your response. I too have noticed the exact same thing. Eating straight carbs doesn't work very well to reload the muscles. In my experience, not just some fat but a very large amount of fat works best. In fact, eating outright junk food is best to get a good pump n the gym the day after IMO (as Gal and others have also mentioned).
When coaching people, what exactly do you have them eat if maximum muscle replenishment is the goal?
If you look at the amount of fat stored in muscles, it is not much and therefore not a whole lot of fat should be needed on that basis. However, in theory, doing the rice and chicken breast thing and adding some olive oil plus almonds to the meal never works as well as eating fries, burgers and finishing off with a huge milkshake. Even gettign the exact same carbs/protein/fat from almonds, olive oil, coconuts, rice and chicken breast doesn't work the same way IME....
Please share theories on why this may be so, if this fits with your experiences as well and, most importantly, what kind of reload meal is in your view best to replenish muscle reserves.
Thanks a ton...
No offence, but I don't believe in that big an increase from getting a pump. How many times have you measured them like this?
noone has the levrone traps, galeniko has the levrone tris ;D
No offence, but I don't believe in that big an increase from getting a pump. How many times have you measured them like this?
I'm not saying it it to brag or boast. But this is easily doable. Especially since I keep carbs moderate, I'm never walking around completely full all the time. So when I pump up, I get an easy 1.5". I don't see how this is impressive? Guys with bigger arms would pump up even more I'm sure. I know mine pump up more now the more muscle I have compared to a few years ago when they were smaller. The difference between pumped and flat is night and day for me.
Also to add my tris and bi's have a continual problem of terrible stretch marks that keep growing, every workout. . I mean they're getting out of hand now on the short head of my bis and long head of my tris. To the point its starting to look gross. And I rate my genetics as "good" but not "freakish"....there's certainly other guys who have crazier response to pumps than me.
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yeah my arms unpumped look like nothing,esp when flat and holding bit water.
dont know about the tape, but the difference is remarkable.
will measure sometime soon
Uhmmmmmmmmmmm, have you ever gotten a real good pump before? Especially on AAS?
lol
i think your genetics for adding size are above average but your structure is average.... no reason you cant be an evan centiaponti. Dont let anyone tell you for a minute that these pros are gifted, most of them are failed HS and college athletes who took up weightlifting cause they couldn't make the hs varsity squad. only true white genetic freak around today is dennis wolfe... ..
crazy how different we can all be. I am the exact opposite. Fat and protein leaves me looking flat, soft, and small. Carbs and protein however I look amazing. That said I am always well below 10%. If I was some fat fuck like cswole carbs may not be such a good idea. lol
hey bouncer, in the last 3 years, granted ,i didnt grow much or at all, but i certainly didnt lose muscle.i hear you. more like the overall look the body has when its flat, i hate it. IMO the best look is a full 7-8ish % bf. I can easily maintain that with 300 grams protein, 300 grams carbs, 30 grams fat per day, training and cardio 6 days per week. this is what works best for me with the look I am going for.
comeon, being flat doesnt mean the muscle is gone.
i hear you. more like the overall look the body has when its flat, i hate it. IMO the best look is a full 7-8ish % bf. I can easily maintain that with 300 grams protein, 300 grams carbs, 30 grams fat per day, training and cardio 6 days per week. this is what works best for me with the look I am going for.
This is very similar to my thoughts as well. I Eat very much the same.I avoid high fats and as such that allows you to eat more food.
BF percentage is one of the most absurd things when it comes to BBing competition.Show us the show photos, the calippers may have been right. ;D
If you are shredded everywhere, the job is done.
Once i measured my bf% with a machine two days before the show, and it was saying that my bf% was 30%. ;D
Yeah this is what I'm saying fellas. I'm slightly offended that Van Bilderass, one of the best and most intelligent posters here thinks I'm lying :D I'm not one to brag about my physique, I certainly wouldn't lie about it, or getting a 1.5" arm pump which is NOTHING special IMO.
Maybe it's fair to add that when I was natty I might add only 1 inch from a good pump. On test/deca, easy 1.5". Throw in my secret ingredient (Snickers ice cream bars pre workout) and this is where the magic really happens :D
Uhmmmmmmmmmmm, have you ever gotten a real good pump before? Especially on AAS?
lol
Effects of carbohydrate loading and weight-lifting on muscle girth.
Balon TW, Horowitz JF, Fitzsimmons KM.
Dept. of Diabetes, City of Hope Medical Center, Duarte, CA 91010.
Bodybuilders have used different carbohydrate loading regimens in conjunction with resistance exercise prior to competition in the belief that this would result in increased muscle size. To investigate this possibility, muscle girth measurements were obtained from nine weight-trained males before and after a control (standard isocaloric diet) and an experimental trial (carbohydrate loading). The latter regimen consisted of 3 days of intense weight-lifting while the subjects ingested a diet of 10% carbohydrate (CHO), 57% fat (F), and 33% protein (P), followed by 3 days of light weight-lifting and a day of rest while ingesting a diet of 80% CHO, 5% F, and 15% P. The control trial consisted of an identical weight-lifting regimen while subjects ingested an isocaloric (45 kcal/kg BW/day) diet. Body weight and girths (forearm, upper arm, chest, thigh, waist, and calf) were obtained before and after each trial in a relaxed and flexed state. The results indicate that an exercise/carbohydrate loading regimen had no significant effect on muscle girth as compared to the control trial. It is concluded that CHO loading has no additional advantage to enhancing muscle girth in bodybuilders over weight-lifting alone.
ah fair enough, me, i like the flat look with bit less bodyfat 8)just weird because I have never seen your abs look leaner then mine.. :D
Show us the show photos, the calippers may have been right. ;D;)
I avoid high fats and as such that allows you to eat more food.
Its simple really.
hey bouncer, in the last 3 years, granted ,i didnt grow much or at all, but i certainly didnt lose muscle.
comeon, being flat doesnt mean the muscle is gone.
i agree somewhere under 5%, the muscle can actualy fade away even on gear.
but what you gonna do, be in the 4% range(unrealistic to hold for long anyway)and fight muscle loss with carbs?that will mess up the condition.
theres a limit to everything.
but muscle loss on gear before 6% isnt even worth thinking about
alot of times guys will find with time as you move up the latter that pharm grade HGH will make you insulin resistant brother...carbs and GH, without insulin is a recipe for becoming a diabetic. I just think gh works better on a low carb high protein moderate fat diet when your not using insulin...and 4-5iu of hgh without insulin and relying heaviliy on anabolics imo is what builds the best physiques....pretty much what disgusted reccomends. gh15 can shove that carb bullshit up his ass.
egg whites icecream and pineapple juice. cause we just know champions were built on that! lol....
bouncer just needs to unlock his brain and try it.
noone has the levrone traps, galeniko has the levrone tris ;D
You are right about the type of foods. I have my guys eat smaller structured cheat meals over the course of one day. I like to see them eat carbs fat and protein really doesn't matter much as far as counting grams as you are getting plenty anyway with the types of foods that you are eating. I remember Duchaine recommending straight carbs and a lot in liquid form. He recommended doing the load I believe for up to 96 hours but I might be wrong on this, I would have to go back and read his work. This type of carb up, the one I do can only be done for one day though.
I like the fats in there because it slows down the digestion and seems to help the body retain the nutrients better. The sodium helps too as someone mentioned, but I have done the straight carb up years ago with sodium and it doesn't work as well as when you add fats and protein. There obviously is a lot of insulin floating around at this time for obvious reasons and I shouldn't say this, but this would possibly be a time that I would recommend some Humalog with each meal.
bro, nobody experiments like me. i have run every variation of high carbs, low carbs, high fat, low fat etc.. for MONTHS at a time to get a real picture of how i react to each.
gotta remember i am not going for the stage look. just the best body on the beach. 8)
use whats being outlined and you'll have that physique, in less time and it will be maintainable.bro, i already do have that physique.. 8)
in fact, i can guarantee you wont want to stop.
hahaha the mighty galeniko- the only guy i know whos upper arm is bigger than his waist from the side. :Dgaleniko is simply a master of angled photos. much like me. ;D
galeniko is simply a master of angled photos. much like me. ;D
Difference is, I dont even need to flex to look good. I just stand there. 8)
(http://s12.postimg.org/p823ehff1/Capture12.png)
Epic white grout in slate floor tiles.
Next time use colourant or buy coloured grout.
and this faulty logic is why you look like shit. it's simple really.
this is the worst 'advise' I've read in here in sometime.
'I avoid fat so I can eat more food'
Jesus Christ.
what makes it more remarkable is that your not trolling (for a change) and are actually being serious- stick to trolling cause clearly you suck at everything else.
Fat 9 calories per gram
Protein 4 calories per gram
Carbs 4 calories per gram
Now if I reduce fat I can eat more protein and carbs yet stay in a calorific deficit whilst dieting.
Yep, real daft twat me.
Your principle is simple, eat just protein then you get so fucking sick of it you end up eating fuck all.
Brilliant.
galeniko is simply a master of angled photos. much like me. ;D
Difference is, I dont even need to flex to look good. I just stand there. 8)
(http://s12.postimg.org/p823ehff1/Capture12.png)
no offense bro, but galeniko blows you away. he holds way more dense impressive looking tissue.
there is no comparison imo.
Fat 9 calories per gram
Protein 4 calories per gram
Carbs 4 calories per gram
Now if I reduce fat I can eat more protein and carbs yet stay in a calorific deficit whilst dieting.
Yep, real daft twat me.
Your principle is simple, eat just protein then you get so fucking sick of it you end up eating fuck all.
Brilliant.
You have just got to be trolling, either that or you are not very good at maths.
hahahaha I don't eat fat so I can eat more hahaha no wonder your so fucking dumpy, fatman.
quit giving out advise. there are people here who know what they are actually talking about better suited to the task than you. lol
at least now we know why your fat. you cant not eatsaid Mr 12% BF (your estimation by the way ;D) not 7 weeks ago.
maybe you cant tell the difference from a lean guy whos soft, and has soft looking muscle, and a guy who has dense tissue.
let me help you.
bouncer- soft tissue
galeniko- dense tissue
hope this ehlps
are you seriously suggesting the bouncer doesnt look fantastic
look at his avi pic
he isnt far off gal in leaness and probably has more muscle
gal edges it but its close
you lose credibility when you base your observations on how well you get on with the poster
its the same with saying jeff looks shit
its obvious he doesnt
are you seriously suggesting the bouncer doesnt look fantastic
look at his avi pic
he isnt far off gal in leaness and probably has more muscle
gal edges it but its close
you lose credibility when you base your observations on how well you get on with the poster
its the same with saying jeff looks shit
its obvious he doesnt
is reading comprehension a problem for you? did i say he didnt have a good shape, or structure. im reffering to the tissue itself. and you're on fucking bad glue dude if you think the amount of quality tissue even comes close to Gals. lol
has nothing to do with 'getting along ' with anybody. back in the day i used to run 'coach' into the ground, but look what i said about his physique.
i dont lie, bullshit, or troll, unlike our fat buddy eatmore here.
bouncer has nowhere near the same level of dense mature tissue that gal has and thats a fact.
gal has tissue that looks like hes spent 2 decades creating. bouncer has tissue that looks like its created by 2 cycles of dbol.
there is no density. he looks puffy and soft. to compare the two is ridiculous.
if anyone here loses credibility with their observations its you, but then again your not much known for quality posting so it really comes as no surprise.
dismissed.
decent post until the end
putting dismissed is what a pre menstrual teen would do
what happened to you
you must be very insecure
have you started pretending you are gal in real life
stop trying to live vicariously through him its getting embarrassing
till the end? I thought the whole thing was rather top shelf.
and you'll forgive me if your criticism falls short. I find it hard to take offense given the fact you follow your bf 'bigcyp' around the board like the tail on a dog jerking him off every chance you get- 'are you saying big cyp that...' blah blah blah talk about played out.
ffs be your own man you fucking pansy. like most def your the bottom, and considering how lame you both are that's an incredible feat in itself, nancy. lol
decent post until the end
putting dismissed is what a pre menstrual teen would do
what happened to you
you must be very insecure
have you started pretending you are gal in real life
stop trying to live vicariously through him its getting embarrassing
apologies for cluttering up your thread w bullshit OTH. I edited my last post.
cheers!
ps bigmc your still a dildo :D
apologies for cluttering up your thread w bullshit OTH. I edited my last post.
cheers!
ps bigmc your still a dildo :D
your wife calls me the ram 8)
she said you cant fuck case it blurs your lines :-*
Shame, it would help him develop is lower abs.
he has to fast for 36 hours before she is allowed to see him naked
true story
calm down cu nt flaps it aint that serious
you meltdown like a hooker thats been told she has to fuck dj181
me and cyp have fun on here
you suck gals dick like a crack whore trying to get her next fix
its embarrassing
maybe its the low carbs are you fasting for a few days before you go to get your groceries :-*
he has to fast for 36 hours before she is allowed to see him naked
true story
me too.
the best non competitve physiques who hold their condition year round are something like hrt or hrt*2 with 2-4iu gh.
@flintstones, yes the pineapple juice and eggwhite haha, while gh15 made sense some while ago on many things, this diet advice had the laughing from the first time i seen it.think about how many ppl have done that.
i sure hope some gullible guys had plenty of pineaple juice and simply got fat from that ;D
you need to eat icecream bro, it simply gives the body something to work with. better yet lets make it reeses pieces icecream,.... The cream,milk,peanut butter and sugar has mythological properties, just like sushi makes your body "connect" with gear.
I swear the guys on that sight are so fucking stupid, they go out and actually buy reeses pieces icecream...every week.
you need to eat icecream bro, it simply gives the body something to work with. better yet lets make it reeses pieces icecream,.... The cream,milk,peanut butter and sugar has mythological properties, just like sushi makes your body "connect" with gear.Fuck bro, you are getting DAM good at this :D
I swear the guys on that sight are so fucking stupid, they go out and actually buy reeses pieces icecream...every week.
This is way to entertaining, I am having a blast ;D
the icecream kinda has its place and time, though, but the overall diet suggestions from gh15 are hillarious.
you know, 1 thing he does he tells people to not go over 8% bodyfat(or was it 10?), so thats kinda strict and good advice imo.
but with the typical 5 meals a day he lists, hahahahaha, apart from most his readers being nowhere near even 10% in the first place, how long would it take for a 6% guy to blow through the 10% barrier on his diet suggestions?i think id be there within few weeks.
the pinaple juice thing, thats something ill never forget, bc i had my time in life when i believed in raisin juice bc i seen flex wheeler with a bottle in the hand in a mag, he probably didnt even drink that haha ;D
Hows the diet going mate.No, I am 100 % out of commision at the moment.
things on track?
i wanted to ask oth and you the same thing.
comeon how often have you 2 mewlted down and done a binge ;D
yah,pizza is the ultimate water holding maker atleast for me,but maybe other guys get away with a daily pizza before bed.
haha the best thing is, he even tells them which brand and falvour of icecream to use hahah oh brother, or does he let them decide the flavor?
i bet 50% would have the kool aide if he asked them to have it :D
i wanted to ask oth and you the same thing.gal I shit you not this is my record, all time record since I have been born consecutive days no carbs, almost 20 days now.
comeon how often have you 2 mewlted down and done a binge ;D
yah,pizza is the ultimate water holding maker atleast for me,but maybe other guys get away with a daily pizza before bed.
haha the best thing is, he even tells them which brand and falvour of icecream to use hahah oh brother, or does he let them decide the flavor?
i bet 50% would have the kool aide if he asked them to have it :D
No, I am 100 % out of commision at the moment.
Haven't worked out yesterday or today and have not injected and taken any orals, nothing, everything is on hold for at leas a couple more days, I am fucken pissed off right now. The diet is still going, will not cheat come hell or high waters but I am losing some work here. Here is why;
I woke up yesterday with an eye infection and it may not sound like much but I have head a steady head ache and feverish, it is very bad today. I am putting eye drops every 15 minutes and it is watery.
Rule of thumb, don't do any orals if you have a head ach and do not inject if you are feverish. Fuck can't even work out, oh well 4-5 good solid rest days shouldn't hurt that much.
No, I am 100 % out of commision at the moment.
Haven't worked out yesterday or today and have not injected and taken any orals, nothing, everything is on hold for at leas a couple more days, I am fucken pissed off right now. The diet is still going, will not cheat come hell or high waters but I am losing some work here. Here is why;
I woke up yesterday with an eye infection and it may not sound like much but I have head a steady head ache and feverish, it is very bad today. I am putting eye drops every 15 minutes and it is watery.
Rule of thumb, don't do any orals if you have a head ach and do not inject if you are feverish. Fuck can't even work out, oh well 4-5 good solid rest days shouldn't hurt that much.
starving often?hows the bloodsugar up and downsStarving, not at all, just mild hunger really.
sorry to hear that broYa thanks bro, I was cutting ply would sheets on a re-roof job and it was windy and saw dust was getting into my eye and I kept itching and when I woke I could barely open my eye, fuck next times I will use the goggles :)
hope you feel better quick
the rest might do you good in the long run
Maybe you need to get some good food in your system and replenish the stores.Hell no lol, :D
U need an antibiotic for the eye. I forget what they call it. Why let it linger? The antibiotic will get rid of it ASAP.Its an antibiotic, you just said so.
I meant the specific antibiotic, asshole.I know, troll bait. ;D
wow this is impressive :DI will not lie, last week the hunger pains were unbearable but for some reason the last 4-5 days I have not felt hunger, I have a lost of appetite for some reason.Fuck what kills me though is the smell of things, woah man, I can smell a BBQ from a mile away.
but up to some 10% is kinda easy, after that becomes an issue :D
confgrats keep going 8) just sit out the eye thing, dont cheat,the days off will do the body good.no surrender ;D
starving often?hows the bloodsugar up and downs ;D
U need an antibiotic for the eye. I forget what they call it. Why let it linger? The antibiotic will get rid of it ASAP.good call bro will see the doctor first thing in the morning, this could get worse if I don't take care of it right away.
I haven't melted down as such but I just eat what I like over the weekend, I just diet monday to friday.
I just want to chime in here as a getbig nobody/lurker and commend OTH and everyone else for their contribution to this great thread! Even the shit talkin lmaoooooBro, this is awesome, keep going bro. Thanks for the kind words as well. :)
Friggin awesome! Yall have inspired me to get back at it!
I had lost my drive and motivation the last two years after being maniacal the previous 8 years.
I'm on day 3 of my gal/no one diet and reading this thread is making things easy as shit thus far!
thanks again and keep up the good work guys!
I'm on day 3 of my gal/no one diet and reading this thread is making things easy as shit thus far!Keep going, by day 5 you wont be shitting at all. ;)
What are you doing in this thread?
Please, desist posting in this thread and kindly fuck off. I am tired of sifting through your banter just so I can get to the useful posts.
haha isnt it really good to know that others go through this madness aswell, this is very motivational to me, knowing this :D
makes you not feel "alone" when walking past a pizza stand where every fatso mindlessly has a pizza and you tell yourself "nah" not now. ;D
Keep going, by day 5 you wont be shitting at all. ;)
Ha ha....sorry no one...you're a pimp but that was fucking funny
;D
Spot on! lol It's rare indeed to have someone in real life that shares this sickness with us
Here i am, day 3, crying inside because i smell bagels in the office and OTH is on day 21 of no carbs :D
So i tell myself, "Lower your skirt, your panties are showing!"
OTH in regard to chicken wings. Did I read you are in Toronto or the GTA?I live in London, not far from Toronto but I am up there every 2 weeks, if the date falls into my schedule then I will check it out if you absolutely guarantee it is the best chicken wing place 8)
If so, check out "Sloppy Joes" on Lakeshore and 38th st. in the west end Mimico area.
Absolutely the best wings I have ever had and the hot sauce is out of this world. Do try it if you get the chance.
No, I am 100 % out of commision at the moment.
Haven't worked out yesterday or today and have not injected and taken any orals, nothing, everything is on hold for at leas a couple more days, I am fucken pissed off right now. The diet is still going, will not cheat come hell or high waters but I am losing some work here. Here is why;
I woke up yesterday with an eye infection and it may not sound like much but I have head a steady head ache and feverish, it is very bad today. I am putting eye drops every 15 minutes and it is watery.
Rule of thumb, don't do any orals if you have a head ach and do not inject if you are feverish. Fuck can't even work out, oh well 4-5 good solid rest days shouldn't hurt that much.
I just eat what I like over the weekend, I just diet monday to friday.
Thats why both of you look like shit. Hope this helps. ;) ;)
I've been doing this for years when I want to tighten up 8)
Thats why both of you look like shit. Hope this helps. ;) ;)
Thats why both of you look like shit. Hope this helps. ;) ;)
back on form shizzo, ;DI'm all the way on baby!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am an unpredictable sort. I'm better when I don't talk about myself like an asshole.
are you on or off the wagon I cant tell?
I'm all the way on baby!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am an unpredictable sort. I'm better when I don't talk about myself like an asshole.Those posts are few and far between ;)
I'm all the way on baby!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am an unpredictable sort. I'm better when I don't talk about myself like an asshole.
I'm not going to lie. I was addicted to post count/views. Whatever it took to get there. Kings, fake deaths, multiple avatar changes etc.... I loved the attention.
Here's the deal. ....you aren't interesting. There are people here that have a natural charisma and air about them that people repond to. You aren't one of them.I am more genuine then you could ever dream of being. Just pointing out the obvious. Yes you have a great physique. No you are not a good person. Simple really.
The only way you achieved any kind of notoriety was by being such an an annoying troll that you had the entire board telling you to shut the fuck up. Straight truth... you can get as butt-hurt as you like and point out I've been arrested for the 90th time...have at it.
gear stops any time a fever breaks out or a prolonged headache, always. It is not the content in gear but rather the fluctuation of blood pressure that can harm you, so yes you are 100% right, i will listen to my body on this one.
do what nobody does anymore bro- listen to your body. it'll reward you. if it's telling you to gear down for a few days then so be it. stay on the diet. it's easy at times like this to cave and fuck up a few good weeks of cal deficit cause dude I'm a huge comfort food eater. the rest won't hurt you it'll only help. the only way it'll hurt is if you snap and can't train. we know how that story ends. ;)
this isn't your first BBQ bro. I know your going to make your goal. I have no doubt other feel this way to. time to strap it down and get it done.
cheers.
I am more genuine then you could ever dream of being. Just pointing out the obvious. Yes you have a great physique. No you are not a good person. Simple really.
You sound like dickjuggler181......"sniff, sniff..... I'm a good person....sniff, sniff" :'(All I want is for you to stop following me around (quoting me) It is perfectly fine if you don't like me. It becomes another matter all together when you follow me around and have a "Hope Shizzo Dies" (HSD) under your avatar. Trying to hard.
Someone asked me a question dickhead.
Why are you posting, no one gives a fuck what you think.
All I want is for you to stop following me around (quoting me) It is perfectly fine if you don't like me. It becomes another matter all together when you follow me around and have a "Hope Shizzo Dies" (HSD) under your avatar. Trying to hard.
All I want is for you to stop following me around (quoting me) It is perfectly fine if you don't like me. It becomes another matter all together when you follow me around and have a "Hope Shizzo Dies" (HSD) under your avatar. Trying to hard.as opposed to team hypocrite convict gal and groink,,,,or when I had team wes and u forced me to take it down reasons still I cannot gather and made a thread about it no less,,otherwise I have no beef with u,,,
I live in London, not far from Toronto but I am up there every 2 weeks, if the date falls into my schedule then I will check it out if you absolutely guarantee it is the best chicken wing place 8)
this is true and a very good sign ;D
gal, is your avatar a current pic?y,,,
thanks, and thanks for the offer of helping on the chest, but can you also help me on something else?the issue is like this:;D ;D ;D
my arms feel very heavy at times, they pulling down the shoulders from the sheer mass on them.
now i seen yourtoothpicksarms, and maybe you could help me to downsize them a bit ;D
nah not soooo current, few weeks ago or something, but looks lovely so yeah :D
what level bodyfat do you think you are there? upper body, i think i look about the same. i just got some calipers and tested myself; according to the chart, 8%.
Someone asked me a question dickhead.
Why are you posting, no one gives a fuck what you think.
Please, desist posting in this thread and kindly fuck off. I am tired of sifting through your banter just so I can get to the useful posts.
No, I am 100 % out of commision at the moment.
Haven't worked out yesterday or today and have not injected and taken any orals, nothing, everything is on hold for at leas a couple more days, I am fucken pissed off right now. The diet is still going, will not cheat come hell or high waters but I am losing some work here. Here is why;
I woke up yesterday with an eye infection and it may not sound like much but I have head a steady head ache and feverish, it is very bad today. I am putting eye drops every 15 minutes and it is watery.
Rule of thumb, don't do any orals if you have a head ach and do not inject if you are feverish. Fuck can't even work out, oh well 4-5 good solid rest days shouldn't hurt that much.
You got to up your vitamin C, zinc and multi intake when going this heavy with the cutting diet. I got sick couple weeks into my diet just when I was making huge progress. Was dropping close to a lb a day and then boom, horrible fever, headache and cough. Put me away from training and dieting for close to two weeks.
oh just wait till you at very lean levels, the body will want be sick for the slightest errors
yah, the coming down, no doubt, later on to maintain,its ok.
Just in case you didn't see it the first time ;D
and if you look at bouncer in same pose,on last page, he looks clearly fatter and the guys very very lean.
This is good advice. Stay healthy OTH, we are expecting shredded glute pictures in 40 days. 8)Yes it is very good advise, thanks nomad
Get well fast OTH!Thanks bro, the headaches are gone and the fever is gone too but my eye looks like someone punch me and it's watery and irritating every 5 seconds, I can even count how many times someone asked me yesterday if I got in a fight, lol.
If Gal had any chest muscles he would definitely be on bouncer's level of muscularity. As for the arm shots, if Gal's tri's were even a bit smaller he would have smaller arms then bouncer also. The only thing Gal blows bouncer away with is the amount of veins on his forearm ;D
careful cyp no one will start crying when he reads that post
Are you saying that no one fasts for 48 hours and breaks it by sitting on a courgette and skyping galeniko to show him how deep his ab ridges are bigmc?
The only thing Gal blows bouncer away with is the amount of veins on his forearm ;D
Well just hold on now! As we all know, lighting is key!
No pump, no flexing, just sitting here. My veins are fucken insane in the gym.
(http://s9.postimg.org/j6z4atthb/2013_06_09_00_53_17.jpg)
Well just hold on now! As we all know, lighting is key!HAND VASCULARITY NOW.... ??? AS PROOF ,ANYONES GRANDMAMMY CAN SHOW THAT KIND OF VEINS,,,
No pump, no flexing, just sitting here. My veins are fucken insane in the gym.
(http://s9.postimg.org/j6z4atthb/2013_06_09_00_53_17.jpg)
WOOOOOOAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU'RE THE MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!good to see i have my own ass kisser fan base! :D
ANYONES GRANDMAMMY CAN SHOW THAT KIND OF VEINS,,,show us then cupcake!
And for my biggest fan no one. What you fail to understand is that as much as we all love Gal, he is a little fella. I am 6ft 222lbs (this morning) with better abs by all accounts. Gal looks good in the mirror shots alone because you have no perspective or comparison. I remember he posted a pic with some Euro trash chicks one time and I swear to god the women were bigger then he was. 5'8 185lbs at best. I would dwarf the little guy standing next to him.NEVER SEEN A HEART SHAPED FACE BEFORE ,,,COOL.
Never in a million years can Gal put on 2 XL baggy t shirt and have delts popping out of it like this! 8)
no one, get on your fucking knees where you belong and place your lips around my penis tip you bitter turd. give me a kiss. :-*
(http://s21.postimg.org/q2sq1gzjr/6egegk.jpg)
NEVER SEEN A HEART SHAPED FACE BEFORE ,,,COOL.especially for you and no one. just admit it bro, you secretly wish to be me. so you respond with snarky, passive aggressive, pussified comments trying to cover up that fact.
especially for you and no one. just admit it bro, you secretly wish to be me. so you respond with snarky, passive aggressive, pussified comments trying to cover up that fact.DAMN BOUNCER YOUR ON TO ME :-*...
love you.
WOOOOOOAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU'RE THE MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
X2 I'm very aroused now
CHIRO I'MMMMMM BLOOOOOOOOOWN AWAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT A GOD AMONGST MEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CHIRO I'MMMMMM BLOOOOOOOOOWN AWAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT A GOD AMONGST MEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Have you seen the striations in my calves? Impeccable. mmmm. I will post when I get home.
Are you saying Cyp that the Bouncer once cut the sleeves off of his suit he wore to his grandmothers funeral so that all of the grieving people could take note of his vascular forearms?More like a cut off half top to expose these beautiful abs of mine. Funeral would turn into a fucken party, thats for sure.
Have you seen the striations in my calves? Impeccable. mmmm. I will post when I get home.
Are you saying Cyp that the Bouncer once cut the sleeves off of his suit he wore to his grandmothers funeral so that all of the grieving people could take note of his vascular forearms?
hahaha bouncer coming unglued so he rushes to his own defense with homosexual fantasies.im pretty amazing bro. no 2 ways around it.
not the way I probably would have handled it. :D
bouncer, I have no beef with you not am I trying to start one. I'm just stating a fact. I'm not going to apologise that you have hurt feelings over the fact that you just simply are not as good as you'd like to believe you are.
gal has dense lean tissue that looks like it's been built thru decades of serious heavy lifting. you look like you have puffy soft tissue built thru excessive use of long estered tests and anadrol. to use gh15's word your bloofy. that pretty much describes it.
come back when you look to have some tissue built from pounding iron, not pounding dbol and sustanon. cause frankly sunshine, your not nearly as impressive as you'd like to believe you are.
cheers.
im pretty amazing bro. no 2 ways around it.
ya post up another pic in a sweatshirt to show us all how amazing you are hahahaha
keep lifting the pink weights at the gym and using insulin. you'll be even MORE amazing in no time. :D
Aside from Big Ro, I have the best physique on getbig.
ya post up another pic in a sweatshirt to show us all how amazing you are hahahahaslin? wtf? only thing im on is test e. bitterness is shining bro, hide it better. ;)
keep lifting the pink weights at the gym and using insulin. you'll be even MORE amazing in no time. :D
slin? wtf? only thing im on is test e. bitterness is shining bro, hide it better. ;)
you know your great when your getting accused of drugs your not on. thanks bro!
ya big ro is no joke. coach back in the day too. but present day big ro. to be 100% honest bro I have no clue what you look like. lol
or conversely getting accused of looking like a marshmallow cause of drugs your not on.Puffy and bloofy. words of love. do you have a girlfriend or a wife? would she use those words to describe me? ;)
don't take it as a compliment son. at least you'd have an excuse to look so puffy. turns out your just a lazy trainer then who relies on long estered test, and not on insulin.
I'm not as big as Ro, but size wise i'm somewhere between him and the smaller guys here like you, gal, jeff etc
Puffy and bloofy. words of love. do you have a girlfriend or a wife? would she use those words to describe me? ;)
who has better abs on this site? I really want some kind of challenge here. no one?
(http://s21.postimg.org/kh2pxhwc7/2013_03_18_17_57_07.jpg)
to help me you have to be pretty great yourself. i doubt very much you are in the position to help someone such as myself. :-*
why you turning this into a flame war bro? I'm just trying to help you.
sunshine sunshine. nobodies saying you don't have good abs. I think even Gal himself said you had good abs.
but alas, this is not what it's about. your trying to deflect and cloud the debate. you compared yourself to gal (actually said you were better i believe?) it's about how soft you look. even that pic aptly depicts that. look at your chest bro. you look like you have implants. lol
softer than a babies ass. and that's ok. there's nothing wrong with that. but don't compare yourself to gal cause your just not in his league.
thats all I'm saying. all the ab pics in the world won't change that fact.
let your hurt go bro. we're here to help.
to help me you have to be pretty great yourself. i doubt very much you are in the position to help someone such as myself. :-*
Puffy and bloofy. words of love. do you have a girlfriend or a wife? would she use those words to describe me? ;)
who has better abs on this site? I really want some kind of challenge here. no one? im not even that lean in this pic for fuck sake. someone step up to the plate!
(http://s21.postimg.org/kh2pxhwc7/2013_03_18_17_57_07.jpg)
just admit one thing and then I will let you go back to riding gal's cock. my shape is sexy as fuck. i mean even a fella can admit that shit.
there you go again thinking your better than you really are.
That's not a bad 4.5 pack.i know right! like phil heaths 2 pack. fella has some work to do! :D
Once you add some definition and get a bit leaner on the mid section, one day it might be a six pack. Good effort so far regardless
are you bisexual by chance?
you seem to take comfort in expressions and acts of a sexual nature where it concerns other men.
there's nothing wrong with that. ukjeff is gay too. i think dj182 might be finding his closet a little cramped as well, but we still accept them.
lets us help you help yourself bro.
when you look like me.. swagger comes naturally.
That's not a bad 4.5 pack.
Once you add some definition and get a bit leaner on the mid section, one day it might be a six pack. Good effort so far regardless
You're the one with the mongoloid eyes, right? ;D
agreed
and he's says 'best abs'. they are actually shaped quite terribly.
sunshine sunshine. nobodies saying you don't have good abs. I think even Gal himself said you had good abs.
but alas, this is not what it's about. your trying to deflect and cloud the debate. you compared yourself to gal (actually said you were better i believe?) it's about how soft you look. even that pic aptly depicts that. look at your chest bro. you look like you have implants. lol
softer than a babies ass. and that's ok. there's nothing wrong with that. but don't compare yourself to gal cause your just not in his league.
thats all I'm saying. all the ab pics in the world won't change that fact.
let your hurt go bro. we're here to help.
Yes! ;D
Is there a harder looking bad ass on this forum?
(http://s14.postimg.org/4sef7lhwh/2013_07_02_12_03_58.jpg)
YOU GO THROUGH GREAT LENGHTS TO SHOWCASE UR BUILD ON AND ON,,,,AND SHOW NECK DOWN ,AND THEN U GO AND BLOW IT BY PUTTING UP A MUG THAT BELONGS ON THE SIDE OF A MILK CARTON...
(http://airstre.am/dopamine72/Nicolas%20Cage%20Laugh.gif)
there you go again thinking your better than you really are.
'humility is the lamp that shines over the path to enlightenment and self betterment'.
in case your wondering what great thinker said that above quote, it was me. just now.
let go of your pride. put down the pink dumbells and the dbol and rise above the puffiness sunshine.
YOU GO THROUGH GREAT LENGHTS TO SHOWCASE UR BUILD ON AND ON,,,,AND SHOW NECK DOWN ,AND THEN U GO AND BLOW IT BY PUTTING UP A MUG THAT BELONGS ON THE SIDE OF A MILK CARTON...
sorry bro but I'd have to say groink out mans you in the face department as well.
this has been a bad day for you. bested by gal and a 47 year old stud.
but there is hope! a ray of sunshine on this day of cloud. your face you can't do much about sadly.
but we can get your build looking like it was made or stone rather than plastic.
get at me or gal. wed be happy to help a fellow brother in iron.
cheers to you sir, and a good day! :)
i keep it real playboy.
if you need some advices on getting your legs up, let me know!
(http://s23.postimg.org/o91k5lvez/2013_07_08_08_24_33.jpg)
i keep it real playboy.GOOD TEARDROP'S ,SEPERATION AS WELL,BUT OUTER SWEEP FROM THAT ANGLE LOOKS LIKE IT WAS ATTACKED BY A SCHOOL OF PIRANA'S
if you need some advices on getting your legs up, let me know!
(http://s23.postimg.org/o91k5lvez/2013_07_08_08_24_33.jpg)
that will quieten him bouncer, his legs haven't seen the light of day for years, thats why he stopped competing, no legs you seei have never seen any pics of the nerd actually. got any links? would be interested to see what the big mouth behind the screen looks like.
He decided to be a t-shirt bodybuilder instead.
GOOD TEARDROP'S ,SEPERATION AS WELL,BUT OUTER SWEEP FROM THAT ANGLE LOOKS LIKE IT WAS ATTACKED BY A SCHOOL OF PIRANA'Sas you jerk off to the pic and type in CAPS to emphasize your attraction. sit down and stfu until your called on. :-*
as you jerk off to the pic and type in CAPS to emphasize your attraction. sit down and stfu until your called on. :-*nah just trolling u ,,u come out of the woodwork every couple months with drivel same ol same o'l..i'm done now.if ur real which is in question I respect ur build otherwise u offer nothing here....
i have never seen any pics of the nerd actually. got any links? would be interested to see what the big mouth behind the screen looks like.(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=484814.0;attach=527170;image)
nah just trolling u ,,u come out of the woodwork every couple months with drivel same ol same o'l..i'm done now.if ur real which is in question I respect ur build otherwise u offer nothing here....if im real? lol bro im head to toe legit.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=484814.0;attach=527170;image)
Heres a photo taken by his "buddy" ;)
Yes! ;D
Is there a harder looking bad ass on this forum?
(http://s14.postimg.org/4sef7lhwh/2013_07_02_12_03_58.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=484814.0;attach=527170;image)excellent build. Thats the look im going for
Heres a photo taken by his "buddy" ;)
Wow you're very ugly man, sorry.
I get quite a lot of attention from the opposite sex. Are you saying its just because of my body. :-[
Puffy and bloofy. words of love. do you have a girlfriend or a wife? would she use those words to describe me? ;)Just keeping it real, do not want beef, just saying brother.
who has better abs on this site? I really want some kind of challenge here. no one? im not even that lean in this pic for fuck sake. someone step up to the plate!
(http://s21.postimg.org/kh2pxhwc7/2013_03_18_17_57_07.jpg)
No, it's because there are thousands of unstable females that have not been loved by their fathers.
Just keeping it real, do not want beef, just saying brother.
Those abs are not good and here is why, it is not even a 6 pack, it is a 5 pack :D. I only consider a ''pack'' if the top line and the bottom line is visible and you have a 4 pack plus the one side of the bottom one that has the lower visible line and the other one does not. Also there is way to much smooth surface space from your lower region which means you abe are high so insertions are a bit off.
BTW my abs shit on those all day long ;)
;D ;D
I don't want no problems bro! ;Dhey bro, do you have any idea how many times I say this stuff in good sportsmanship (for lack of a better term) and then I get a ''fuck you'', in return?
No, it's because there are thousands of unstable females that have not been loved by their fathers.
did someone mention arm vascularity ?
epic 5 year old pic :D
Year and a half, and I see it still threatens people ;)
i was joking my friend
you look phenomenal as always - little bit homo :-*
Year and a half, and I see it still threatens people ;)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=484814.0;attach=527170;image)
Heres a photo taken by his "buddy" ;)
Yes! ;D
Is there a harder looking bad ass on this forum?
(http://s14.postimg.org/4sef7lhwh/2013_07_02_12_03_58.jpg)
lol,,,,
Epic picture taken in a truckstop bathroom off the highway,head looks like it's been kicked around like a soccer ball,nostrils so big you could drive 18 wheelers through them.
...dude your gals dream customer but I bet you never get invited to coke parties with nostrils like that.
Epic picture taken in a truckstop bathroom off the highway,head looks like it's been kicked around like a soccer ball,nostrils so big you could drive 18 wheelers through them.
...dude your gals dream customer but I bet you never get invited to coke parties with nostrils like that.
Epic picture taken in a truckstop bathroom off the highway,head looks like it's been kicked around like a soccer ball,nostrils so big you could drive 18 wheelers through them.
...dude your gals dream customer but I bet you never get invited to coke parties with nostrils like that.
are you saying that due to his unique nostrils bouncer is at that truck stop waiting to give someone a nose job calvin
LOL......dude are you saying that Bouncer can snort an 8 ball even if it's still in your pocket ?
Bouncer walked into a party where everybody was doing blow...he took one deep breath through his nose and the party was over.
...but he wasn't allowed to leave until he paid everybody for the lines.
HAHAHA...Calvin you aren't implying that Bouncer got his name because he can bounce up and down on a 12 x 7 rubberized dildo with no signs of discomfort, are you ?
man,yeah, there are lightings and mirrors where one looks absolute shit and small haha.
:D
opposite example, we have one guy whos very lean and almost natural in the gym and he took profesional photos, and he looks on them kinda more shredded than anyone i ever seen :D :D
hey bro, do you have any idea how many times I say this stuff in good sportsmanship (for lack of a better term) and then I get a ''fuck you'', in return?
You issued the challenge and I retaliated to that challenge in friendly trash talk but make no mistake you are a hell of a guy, don't want you to get the wrong impression. lol. ;)
feelings mutual brother. lot of people have a hard time understanding ball busting and shit talk.Looks like somebody is getting a nose job later.
man,yeah, there are lightings and mirrors where one looks absolute shit and small haha.yup, these fat bodies and normals here just dont get it. ;)
:D
opposite example, we have one guy whos very lean and almost natural in the gym and he took profesional photos, and he looks on them kinda more shredded than anyone i ever seen :D :D
;D ;D ;D
Epic picture taken in a truckstop bathroom off the highway,head looks like it's been kicked around like a soccer ball,nostrils so big you could drive 18 wheelers through them.
...dude your gals dream customer but I bet you never get invited to coke parties with nostrils like that.
yup, these fat bodies and normals here just dont get it. ;)
Dude.....I trained at my buddies gym last weekend, the lighting was incredible...I looked sick. but I was with him and he would have been like "WTF?" if I started clicking pics. he's not the type.
I'm going back there by myself.
can i borrow your nostrils broim like a black fella if you think about it. :D
got to rid of some leaves in the yard
im like a black fella if you think about it. :D
cock to match. 8)
(http://s14.postimg.org/4sef7lhwh/2013_07_02_12_03_58.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-0JRnbb4xDZA/ToDHbwflg7I/AAAAAAAACy8/l4NjduACKJw/s320/photo-710101.JPG)
The nose of a man who can smell a fart before its happened
HAHAHA...Calvin you aren't implying that Bouncer got his name because he can bounce up and down on a 12 x 7 rubberized dildo with no signs of discomfort, are you ?
ok this is too tiresome.;D ;D ;D
and too stupid to seriously adress.
look bouncer, keep lifting, enough of this comparing to myself, youre not there yet, not worthy a comparo other than for taking the piss.
this as little difference it may seem to ppl, will take you years on gear to catch up, years ive done long before.
this is the last word on comparo with you , i wont make anymore.you have many hours in the gym and many syringues to do.
dont talk like this a pussy wrecker who been there before you knew how to piss in straight line,youre already balding you need already the kinda gear which will make you a hairless guy when you hit my age, i think youre aware of what im running, its a total joke.
hope this helps, was time time tell you to have a seat in the corner
mustnt take this too serious, but do read it slowly and all that ;D
ok this is too tiresome.Whoa Gal!!! You are dead serious here. Stop lying. You reek of insecurity. You feel threatened by Bouncer's physique. While we are on the subject of ugly, Gal isn't exactly an adonis either.
and too stupid to seriously adress.
look bouncer, keep lifting, enough of this comparing to myself, youre not there yet, not worthy a comparo other than for taking the piss.
this as little difference it may seem to ppl, will take you years on gear to catch up, years ive done long before.
this is the last word on comparo with you , i wont make anymore.you have many hours in the gym and many syringues to do.
dont talk like this a pussy wrecker who been there before you knew how to piss in straight line,youre already balding you need already the kinda gear which will make you a hairless guy when you hit my age, i think youre aware of what im running, its a total joke.
hope this helps, was time time tell you to have a seat in the corner
mustnt take this too serious, but do read it slowly and all that ;D
Whoa Gal!!! You are dead serious here. Stop lying. You reek of insecurity. You feel threatened by Bouncer's physique. While we are on the subject of ugly, Gal isn't exactly an adonis either.
(http://www.abmimaging.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Bitter-beer-face.jpg)
There is no discomfort due to the wind resistance from his nostrils on the downside of the bounce
Adonis isn't exactly an Adonis eitherTouche. ;)
is this the "nasal parachute" Chiro has spoken of ?
is this the "nasal parachute" Chiro has spoken of ?
now, for you, drunktard mongoloid, about you,i am dead dead serious, when i say i hope you get liver cirhossis, then i really mean it.
;D ;D ;D
I wouldn't want you any other way :-*
now, for you, drunktard mongoloid, about you,i am dead dead serious, when i say i hope you get liver cirhossis, then i really mean it.
Shizzo the pasty chubster talking shit about one of the Getbig "elite physique" class.You obviously miss the entire point of the board then. You want ass kissing? Go to the positive board. You want to have fun? Stay right here.
maybe you should go back to pretending you are the king.
Shizzo the pasty chubster talking shit about one of the Getbig "elite physique" class.
maybe you should go back to pretending you are the king.
Groink, would you mind testing how many inches you can pump up your arms? I don't know if you saw the debate about "pumps" but I would be interested in how much you get from pumping.Then we would like Groink to have a cat scan. Then we will all clearly see that he does not have a fully developed, homosapien brain. His brow and jawline scream neanderthal.
Tape them just before starting the workout and then again when you feel maximally pumped.
You obviously miss the entire point of the board then. You want ass kissing? Go to the positive board. You want to have fun? Stay right here.
This is a thread for the elite of Getbig to discuss training and greatness...you are not of this caliber and should respect that...and leave. You are a "filler" type poster, and should post in those kind of threads.Make sure to always look over your oil-filled shoulders.
As you can plainly see, your crap is not welcome here.
yah i see it the same way, bouncer looks great, theres no doubt, hes not some average guy you see walking around gyms every day, hes on a very high level.Have you been complaining to Ron? I hope not. That is the biggest bitch move someone can make.
but both have different goals for the look,he wants fullnes, i want flat with crazy veins etcetc.
and both even have different goals as to how it all shall look in the end.
he knows what hes doing, definitely anothe rphysique which makes whole beach parts turn quiet when entering the place :D
he lifts, he diets hard, all respectable, unlike shitso,who desperatly comes to this thread out of all thread to get some attention bc he knows its thread with good traffic and all.
this despicable alcohol junkie comes and pisses on oths parade(he made new thread precisely to avoid the spam from the previous one)and messes up a very valueable thread.fuck how i hate shizzo.riding the wave of men who actualylift and all.
all he ever lifted is the johny walker bottle.
ill say it again the sooner ron hits him with ban hammer the better, or the sooner liver cirhosis hits in,the beter(im not being cynical this is bound to happen anyway).
Just keeping it real, do not want beef, just saying brother.
Those abs are not good and here is why, it is not even a 6 pack, it is a 5 pack :D. I only consider a ''pack'' if the top line and the bottom line is visible and you have a 4 pack plus the one side of the bottom one that has the lower visible line and the other one does not. Also there is way to much smooth surface space from your lower region which means you abe are high so insertions are a bit off.
BTW my abs shit on those all day long ;)
;D ;D
If you think bouncers are under par take a look at these.
(http://s12.postimg.org/o9bo5emh9/image_none.jpg)
I hope you have the courage to be just as critical regardless of the subject.. ;)
I will tell you when you judge the abs.
(http://s12.postimg.org/o9bo5emh9/image_none.jpg)
Who is this? He is looking very good. Congrats.
if its you
you are back on gear what ever you say
powerful build props
How does his abs compare to bouncers?
Have you been complaining to Ron? I hope not. That is the biggest bitch move someone can make.
abs are genetic
ronnie coleman had shit abs
overall that is a very good build
big shoulders narrow waist
Fuckin hell, are they better than bouncers are not, its like pulling fucking teeth.
if its you
you are back on gear what ever you say
powerful build props
Have you been complaining to Ron? I hope not. That is the biggest bitch move someone can make.
(http://s21.postimg.org/kh2pxhwc7/2013_03_18_17_57_07.jpg)(http://s12.postimg.org/o9bo5emh9/image_none.jpg)Bouncer clearly has the better genetic shape to his abs. They are probably close to the same bodyfat anyway. Genetics shape the abs. Bouncer has better looking abs.
Easier to judge?
plus it's totally different lighting.Thank fuck for that, someone can make a fucking decision.
about the same, bouncer has a little smaller waist. both are lean guys in very good shape
Dude.....I trained at my buddies gym last weekend, the lighting was incredible...I looked sick. but I was with him and he would have been like "WTF?" if I started clicking pics. he's not the type.
I'm going back there by myself.
Stop derailing the thread.Who might you be?
Shitzoo you are the biggest bitch on Getbig.com all day along and everyday since you have been here. Ever since your mod aspirations, you have taken the "bitch" demeanor to a new high known to man and low at the same time
If you don't lift, why don't you just fuck off?
You are constantly trying to insert yourself in each and every thread no matter the subject matter, even if you say "meltdown" a dozen times.
Fuck off already you pompous ass douche bag.
P.S. Get the free rope from your local home hardware store and hang yourself already. No one will shed even one tear for your drunkard ass!
(http://s21.postimg.org/kh2pxhwc7/2013_03_18_17_57_07.jpg)(http://s12.postimg.org/o9bo5emh9/image_none.jpg)
Easier to judge?
There's this restroom in one of the halls at my school. Swear to god I look like I'm 4% Bodyfat in this mirror, it's the strangest combination of lighting and shadows and reflection....but I just know I I took 0.0005 seconds to snap a pic, somebody would walk right in, would be just my luck ;DJust tell them you were having a wank, its less embarrassing.
dif light so not really fair but bouncers abs look better there
i take it the other pic is no one
there isnt much in it both big lean guys with good shape
Just tell them you were having a wank, its less embarrassing.
(http://s21.postimg.org/kh2pxhwc7/2013_03_18_17_57_07.jpg)(http://s12.postimg.org/o9bo5emh9/image_none.jpg)and he called me "bloofy" and "puffy" with bad abs? LOL.
Easier to judge?
Relax fellas. You both look fkn great and have provided endless J.O. Material for the schmoes that peruse this place. You are both winners in my book. Killer physiques.
one big cock fight.Probably scared of critiquing "no one" abs. ;)
Where's OTH?
I have horribly shaped abs. but just because they are lean doesn't make them 'the best'. they're like my worst body part.
not thinking I'm greater than I am.
:DA fail.
another fail yet again by my little chubby stalker ukbeth. :D
woooooooooo ukbeth coming unglued, unhinged and basically losing his marbles in here. awesome.Back to epic meltdown post I see.
bro. your starting to sound like a fucking retard. the only one who can't see the hurt feelings in everything you post about me is you :D you reek of desperation and hurt feelings bro.
like i get your angry about being old, fat and dumpy. nowhere near my equal. I understand how this must pain you. having me mock and ridicule you has caused you some very serious tender moments about being fat. get over it Penelope. it's not my fault your fat eatmore.
I'm sure your anger is even further compounded by your subsequent failure after failure at feeble attempts at owning me that only always make me look better. like this one here.
keep up the good work, heartbroke.
I avoid high fats and as such that allows me to eat more food.
Its simple really.
Whatever happened to OTH? Is he back on track? Does he even post in this thread anymore?He has a sore eye and is on medication at the moment, hes still on track though.
hahahahahhooooleee fuck. eatmore giving out so reallllly solid advise here. dont eat fat so you can eat more hahahahaha what a tool.Im still really at a loss as to why you find that statement funny, care to explain your reasoning?
Lol , has it just dawned on you?
calm down, eatmore.
hey chubba
ever stop to think herein lies the key to your whole problem?
I really hope it's your inane way of trolling and you are not really serious.
Jeez, just wait until some people who have a shred of knowledge about nutrition turn up.
Epic picture taken in a truckstop bathroom off the highway,head looks like it's been kicked around like a soccer ball,nostrils so big you could drive 18 wheelers through them.
...dude your gals dream customer but I bet you never get invited to coke parties with nostrils like that.
hahaha 'you just wait' he says hahaha what a fucking TOOL.
like groink was saying, this is a collection of GB's best physiques in here (for the most part, one of us dosent belong, i'll let you figure out who) talking about dieting and giving advise.its more a collection of gbs best physiques in here highjacking oths thread instead of starting there own q&a thread.
its more a collection of gbs best physiques in here highjacking oths thread instead of starting there own q&a thread.
i keep it real playboy.
if you need some advices on getting your legs up, let me know!
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and ukjeff has another very different approach.
this was ppl can see whats good and bad about either approaches,and whats preferable to them personaly.
FYI, ketogenic diets weaken the immune system. Given your exercise and employment workload, you're pushing your bodies ability to recover and combat illness efficiently.
You are eager for his glute pics aren't you :D Come on this is the best thread running on GB at the momentyes =( (obvious homo)
nah man, everyones encouraging him to carry on and helping to prepare for the hell he will go through when he hits 5% range.i dont think oth needs anyones help =)
besides that, the controversy,some is actually useful, helps to see things from more perspectives.
say, oth diets one way, its different somewhat to what i and noone do, kinda, and its totaly different to what bouncer does(btw bouncer serious question,do you do cheat meals or days and how does that look?calories etc), and ukjeff has another very different approach.
groink has another different style, but he kinda maintains only, but gets leaner if he want, he recently did so and by the way, looked more impressiv ethan ever before imo, those arm muscle looked like they gonna fall of freaking sideways off his arms,lol.
this was ppl can see whats good and bad about either approaches,and whats preferable to them personaly.
If you think bouncers are under par take a look at these.
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I hope you have the courage to be just as critical regardless of the subject.. ;)
wrong brother,,,a high carbohydrate diet lowers the immune system. Low carb/no carb diets have even been shown to be beneficial for liver rejuvenation. this diet would be very wise for someone coming off cycle especially,,,
haha ya ukbeth chooses to not eat fat so he can 'eat more'.
turns out the fat fuck just can't not stuff his face. no backbone or disposition to suffer in a diet, he'd rather 'ea more' and it shows in that blobulous mess he calls a 'physique'. no wonder he's so fat i just figured it out- hes weak. all the diets in the world won't fix a weak mind.
in his garden gnome pic he's sucking in his gut and it's STILL hanging over his belt! imagine that shit relaxed?! lol Jesus Christ.
easy call here to see what the 'wrong' approach is. :D
Im sure you have got to be trolling, surely no one can be that dumb, who said anything about anyone "stuffing their face", surely you know the calorific values of protein, carbs and fats by now, then again maybe not if you are still sticking to ridiculing my statement.
By the way, kudos to you for the hold you have on this forum the fact that no one else has dared correct your idiocy.
Guys, some people on this forum need to man up and learn to grow some bollocks.
oh fuck maybe the tricep shot was not such a good idea, you guys are going flame away about my acne, fuck broke out that time, lol :-\It was the washing basket and clutter that did it for me. ;D
It was the washing basket and clutter that did it for me. ;Dlmao, oh shit :-[
Im sure you have got to be trolling, surely no one can be that dumb, who said anything about anyone "stuffing their face", surely you know the calorific values of protein, carbs and fats by now, then again maybe not if you are still sticking to ridiculing my statement.
By the way, kudos to you for the hold you have on this forum the fact that no one else has dared correct your idiocy.
Guys, some people on this forum need to man up and learn to grow some bollocks.
Speaking for myself, I don't need to grow balls and challenge anyone. Gal. nailed me perfectly...I do my own thing. I mix and match from both philosophIIIes. when I maintain, it's about caloric intake and staying right around my BMR. food selection is not crucial but I tend to stay on the "clean" side of the street. when it's time to put the screws down...it's the hi pro/ lo everything else diet. I agree with what he says and utilize what he preaches when it's what I want.
I skirt the middle. I'm nowhere near as bone dry and ripped as Gal, the dude is hard as nails and has crazy vascularity.......but I'm not anywhere near fat..if he's 5, 6%....I'm between 8 and 9. I like keeping my overall thickness and it's all about striking a balance with me. truth is I'm too old to be throwing my hat in the "insane leanness" contest. I dont have that drive to suffer..and I might not even get the results anymore...I'm content being that BIG sonofabitch who still has abs, veins and detail...but not "holy shit" shredded like these guys are.
morning after last show, had burger,fries,ice cream and beer night before :PWhat show? What place did you get? Looked diced btw.
morning after last show, had burger,fries,ice cream and beer night before :PGreat physique, perfect balance of size proportions and condition.
(btw bouncer serious question,do you do cheat meals or days and how does that look?calories etc)Yea, I have a cheat day on Sat. Nothing crazy, just breakfast, lunch, and dinner whatever I want to eat. That is the 1 day that I don't pay any attention to cals etc.. I'm sure each meal is close to 2000 cals though. I feel like a fat bloated slob every Sat night. :D
perfect.yup, looks amazing. prob a bit short though. 8)
everything perfect.
not sure if you know what i mean, but even the conditioning, is perfect balance between fullness and leanness(both can be overdone).
not to mention the structure.
dont mess all those gifts up incase you go pro :D
USN Bodypower Classic at Bodypower expo in Birmingham back in May, came 2nd to Neal Cranwell who has a fitness show on tv I think.
morning after last show, had burger,fries,ice cream and beer night before :P
You got robbed.
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morning after last show, had burger,fries,ice cream and beer night before :P
perfect.
everything perfect.
not sure if you know what i mean, but even the conditioning, is perfect balance between fullness and leanness(both can be overdone).
not to mention the structure.
dont mess all those gifts up incase you go pro :D
Dude, excellent physique. 5" 8" 195 pounds? Just a guess.i think he's over that,,great build..
morning after last show, had burger,fries,ice cream and beer night before :P
Dude, excellent physique. 5" 8" 195 pounds? Just a guess.
6ft was around 230-235lbs in that pic, rebounded up to 260 decently lean.
thanks all for the props, going for another round of madness again with Irish Nationals in 12 weeks, stacked line up this year!
6ft was around 230-235lbs in that pic, rebounded up to 260 decently lean, but then came off for 6 weeks and deflated, sure cant be avoided lol
thanks all for the props, going for another round of madness again with Irish Nationals in 12 weeks, stacked line up this year!
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6ft was around 230-235lbs in that pic, rebounded up to 260 decently lean, but then came off for 6 weeks and deflated, sure cant be avoided lolhave you bought yourself a new couch yet? :D
thanks all for the props, going for another round of madness again with Irish Nationals in 12 weeks, stacked line up this year!
Pressure now on OTH to take back his thread. ;DI picture him looking at this thread eating mcdonalds sobbing quietly wondering how he can compare to such studs. :D
Come on OTH you can bring it.
Pressure now on OTH to take back his thread. ;D
Come on OTH you can bring it.
I picture him looking at this thread eating mcdonalds sobbing quietly wondering how he can compare to such studs. :DYou 2 in particular will look like Michael Moore next to my pics, trust me, you guys think you are shredded^, well to me your conditioning is fat.
OTH, time for a new pic you fat mother fucker! ;D
You 2 in particular will look like Michael Moore next to my pics, trust me, you guys think you are shredded^, well to me your conditioning is fat.ur thread,,the floor is yours 8).how ya feeling eye wise.
That's right, you will be like ''SHIT, AND I THOUGHT I WAS SHREDDED'' LMAO nope sorry boys, you guys are lean but not shredded, I will show you 2 what shredded really is. :-*
6ft was around 230-235lbs in that pic, rebounded up to 260 decently lean, but then came off for 6 weeks and deflated, sure cant be avoided lol
thanks all for the props, going for another round of madness again with Irish Nationals in 12 weeks, stacked line up this year!
ur thread,,the floor is yours 8).how ya feeling eye wise.well I feel skinny cause I laid in bed for 4 days and having no carbs, I was flat as a pancake, so the only thing that was keeping me sane was the pumps at the gym, but haven't worked out now in 6 days.
You 2 in particular will look like Michael Moore next to my pics, trust me, you guys think you are shredded^, well to me your conditioning is fat.
That's right, you will be like ''SHIT, AND I THOUGHT I WAS SHREDDED'' LMAO nope sorry boys, you guys are lean but not shredded, I will show you 2 what shredded really is. :-*
Yes! ;D. Damn your a ugly fuck.
Is there a harder looking bad ass on this forum?
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ya dude it keeps you full in an extreme cal deficit. the shit is magic. guys use prop in their preps then run anadrol to stay full. makes no sense. enanthate gives you awesome fullness. try it, you'll be midly surprised.
no more prop. no more tren. just ultra low cal diet, enanthate and var. the 'look' is vastly superior.
nose and eyes give off a mental handicap vibeim pretty smart for a tard. ;)
thanks lover. :-*
btw, i dont find bouncer face to be ugly, no homo at all :D
thanks lover. :-*
you are not ugly in the slightest dude...don't know what these guys are going on about.compared to you im pretty fucken ugly. :D but thanks bro. good to see the elites of the forum keeping it real.
compared to you im pretty fucken ugly. :D but thanks bro. good to see the elites of the forum keeping it real.
OTH,
Would you mind providing your typical day of meals?
I'm assuming it's:
Meal 1: egg whites
Meal 2: 8oz chicken with broccoli
Meal 3: 10oz fish with Asparagus
Meal 4: 6 oz chicken with Romaine lettuce and Tomatos
What supplements(minus the gear and ECA) are you taking?
The haters will be along to whine and call us superficial juicdheads, and I say "thanks for noticing" ;Dhahah, i love that these "normals" as I call them think comments like that is some kind of insult.
hahah, i love that these "normals" as I call them think comments like that is some kind of insult.
something that's not talked about enough in my opinion. Fact is 99% of the general population has NO frame of reference as to what our day-to-day existence is, and how it affects you.
I can't get a cup of coffee at 6:30 in the morning without someone saying "holy shit dude, you're huge"...no.lie, no.exaggeration...every single day, ten times a day.
So when people attempt to shoot me down and belittle me...I really don't give a fuck....I'm doing what I.like...I enjoy being this way. if you don't like it....fine. crack your little wiseass comments and fuck.off.
As your girl looks over her shoulder for a last look and smiles ;)
You should start wearing clothes when you go out.
I do 8)
what i have is kinda borderline too much for the average girls out thereIts not the size they dont like, its the extreme condition.
OTH,wow that is pretty spot on, but it does vary from day to day, basically I boil 10 eggs and cook the chicken and the fish all in the morning.
Would you mind providing your typical day of meals?
I'm assuming it's:
Meal 1: egg whites
Meal 2: 8oz chicken with broccoli
Meal 3: 10oz fish with Asparagus
Meal 4: 6 oz chicken with Romaine lettuce and Tomatos
What supplements(minus the gear and ECA) are you taking?
wow that is pretty spot on, but it does vary from day to day, basically I boil 10 eggs and cook the chicken and the fish all in the morning.
Then I eat cauliflower, broccoli or asparagus with the fish and sometimes I make a salad out of the chicken with tomato and lettuce, however I used half a tomato a day but load the lettuce and give some 5 calories per serving dressing.
No shakes this time around, although shakes are not bad, I just don't have a blender handy and I am on the road all the time and can't stand the shaker cups.
I take vitamin and mineral supplements, I take calcium, vitamin c, and EFA in capsule oil form.
and of course the green tea extracts, and the ECA pre work out.
Note; the portions of meals are sometimes big and I have 3 meals or sometimes small and I have 5 meals but by the end of the day, it adds up to the same amount every single day.
Someone asked me how I get 65 eggs out of 7 days, lol,... well Sunday I sleep in so I only boil 5 eggs that day 8)
thats why i try to downsize a bit, 200lbs or so would be perfect.eh,some "bodybuilder" who wants less size, incredible.what i have is kinda borderline too much for the average girls out there, and the lighter i am the better i feel(and look like fuck all in clothes more or less, i find the ppl who want look big in clothes incredibly endlessly insecure), no gassing out during running, swimming, general activities, or god forbid! during sex! :D
you know when some ppl said i have "risky" tshirts on when out?ha, these days its so hot i got an excuse to never have one, but yeah its the festival time anyway.
You are right about the type of foods. I have my guys eat smaller structured cheat meals over the course of one day. I like to see them eat carbs fat and protein really doesn't matter much as far as counting grams as you are getting plenty anyway with the types of foods that you are eating. ... This type of carb up, the one I do can only be done for one day though.
I like the fats in there because it slows down the digestion and seems to help the body retain the nutrients better. The sodium helps too as someone mentioned, but I have done the straight carb up years ago with sodium and it doesn't work as well as when you add fats and protein. There obviously is a lot of insulin floating around at this time for obvious reasons and I shouldn't say this, but this would possibly be a time that I would recommend some Humalog with each meal.
something that's not talked about enough in my opinion. Fact is 99% of the general population has NO frame of reference as to what our day-to-day existence is, and how it affects you.
I can't get a cup of coffee at 6:30 in the morning without someone saying "holy shit dude, you're huge"...no.lie, no.exaggeration...every single day, ten times a day.
So when people attempt to shoot me down and belittle me...I really don't give a fuck....I'm doing what I.like...I enjoy being this way. if you don't like it....fine. crack your little wiseass comments and fuck.off.
As your girl looks over her shoulder for a last look and smiles ;)
he said earlier this is just to show us he can come shredded in 60 days and that hw are aiming for some springshows
how bro how you feeling? got the infection all cleared up? back in the trenches?
was just thinking, i forgot what shows you said you were going to do earlier. i know the fouad abiad one is coming up in windsor on sept 21, and theres one in cobourg in oct. dunno if you'd be ready for the sept one. you could be, its 7 weeks away i think. the cobourg one def.
Why dont you enter?
how bro how you feeling? got the infection all cleared up? back in the trenches?
was just thinking, i forgot what shows you said you were going to do earlier. i know the fouad abiad one is coming up in windsor on sept 21, and theres one in cobourg in oct. dunno if you'd be ready for the sept one. you could be, its 7 weeks away i think. the cobourg one def.
something that's not talked about enough in my opinion. Fact is 99% of the general population has NO frame of reference as to what our day-to-day existence is, and how it affects you.
I can't get a cup of coffee at 6:30 in the morning without someone saying "holy shit dude, you're huge"...no.lie, no.exaggeration...every single day, ten times a day.
So when people attempt to shoot me down and belittle me...I really don't give a fuck....I'm doing what I.like...I enjoy being this way. if you don't like it....fine. crack your little wiseass comments and fuck.off.
As your girl looks over her shoulder for a last look and smiles ;)
Sounds like a pain in the ass.
I think even the biggest guys have days where they feel "small" so if someone is staring at you on one of those days do you wonder...wtf this guy gotta problem >:(
Some days you must not wanna deal with the stares and attention from people or are you used to it by now?
totally used to it. The truth is it's an ego-stroke, and if we're being honest, I don't know too many people that don't like compliments.If anyone asks me do I train I normally say no.
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Yeah sometimes it's an idiot that asks dumb questions, and starts with the whole "I used to be big like you" act...but it can also be good. just two days ago I was in CircleK..and three young bucks walk in, about 19 20 years old. They obviously just came from the gym, went to the cooler and all got muscle milks. I'm in front of them on line and they are talking lifting, and the "leader" says...."we do dealifts because I want to look like this guy one day" ...Loud enough that I know he wants me to say something.
So I turn around and thank him, and they started asking questions. We talked for few, gave them some solid advice..told them they were on the right track...etc. And it was cool...they were respectful and seemed like genuinely good kids, It was a good feeling to maybe inspire some young guys to train hard and put in the work. kinda made my day.
yes......full homo, meltdown, just start a blog already...etc.
YA, mensa Bob is right, I am not doing a show till spring.
how bro how you feeling? got the infection all cleared up? back in the trenches?
was just thinking, i forgot what shows you said you were going to do earlier. i know the fouad abiad one is coming up in windsor on sept 21, and theres one in cobourg in oct. dunno if you'd be ready for the sept one. you could be, its 7 weeks away i think. the cobourg one def.
I try to do cardio 7 days a week but manage only 3-4 times cause some days are just to much on the roof, so depends on my work load. will do it 7 days a week the last 2 weeks though.
Cool, are you doing cardio 7 days a week? Or are you counting your time on the roof as cardio?
If anyone asks me do I train I normally say no.
Can you explain the rationale here?
What would you try to accomplish with the extra insulin? I guess shuttling the nutrients into the muscles more effectively... but then again, insulin will shuttle nutrients into both muscle and fat cells...
Call me crazy, but -even though this is the opposite of what most people believe- I think that using exogenous insulin can, under the right conditions, reduce fat gain. But I doubt this is the reason you're thinking of.
they do ask you? ;D
nah, i do it the same, i look at them and say bold faced that i just swim alot and use bycycle whenever i can
Occasionally I do get asked, but I dress down to hide it.
Long sleeved black shirts at work and loose t-shirts and sweatshirts in the gym.
I don't own a training vest.
I am treating this diet right now like a contest prep though, for 2 reasons. one so I can see where I need to put my emphasize in regards to body parts and to identify weaknesses and 2 so I can benefit from a rebound to gain 10lbs of muscle or more over the winter.
Cracks me up how Brits call cutoffs/tanks "vests". ;Di always get the picture of the blue oyster bar when i here it
Can you please explain what your diet and meal plan will be like to put on those ~10 lbs of muscle during the rebound?
gal, you ever run slin? neither of us are "bodybuilders" but I have to admit, i wonder how guys as lean as us would react to that shit? im thinking very low dose pwo.
In my experience there is no way that using insulin on this one day after depleting all week would have any effect on the body storing fat.Very true. But then again, nothing that you do, inject or avoid injecting will really result in fat gain after a whole week of depletion. Unless you eat 10,000 k.calories you will not gain fat, with or without slin, by reloading nutrients for just one day.
Would love to hear your ideas on using slin to reduce fat gain.Very simple... What I have observed is that when using insulin and being careful with overall caloric intake, a lot of people actually gain less fat than they otherwise would or even slightly lean out while putting on muscle.
"Can you please explain what your diet and meal plan will be like to put on those ~10 lbs of muscle during the rebound?
.....
What is your approach going to be to building muscle while gaining little to no fat?"
its water replenishing the glycogen stores, its not new tissue.
OK let me rephrase:
Say you want to gain 20 lbs -so there will have to be new muscle tissue built up in addition to water and glycogen- of muscle after coming of the diet. Can you please share how you'd go about doing so while minimizing fat gain?
Thank you
OK let me rephrase:
Say you want to gain 20 lbs -so there will have to be new muscle tissue built up in addition to water and glycogen- of muscle after coming of the diet. Can you please share how you'd go about doing so while minimizing fat gain?
Thank you
hi dj181
At first you will look better...but once that fat marbalizes in the muscle tissue your fucked and there is nothing you can do about it. Perfect example of this is steve kuclo....looked great when he was younger. Glazed donut for life, he will NEVER have that hard granite look to his physique....had to look up who that was. looks pretty fucken good to me bro. got any pics to show what you mean?
totally used to it. The truth is it's an ego-stroke, and if we're being honest, I don't know too many people that don't like compliments.
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Yeah sometimes it's an idiot that asks dumb questions, and starts with the whole "I used to be big like you" act...but it can also be good. just two days ago I was in CircleK..and three young bucks walk in, about 19 20 years old. They obviously just came from the gym, went to the cooler and all got muscle milks. I'm in front of them on line and they are talking lifting, and the "leader" says...."we do dealifts because I want to look like this guy one day" ...Loud enough that I know he wants me to say something.
So I turn around and thank him, and they started asking questions. We talked for few, gave them some solid advice..told them they were on the right track...etc. And it was cool...they were respectful and seemed like genuinely good kids, It was a good feeling to maybe inspire some young guys to train hard and put in the work. kinda made my day.
yes......full homo, meltdown, just start a blog already...etc.
hi dj181
Very true. But then again, nothing that you do, inject or avoid injecting will really result in fat gain after a whole week of depletion. Unless you eat 10,000 k.calories you will not gain fat, with or without slin, by reloading nutrients for just one day.This above ^^ is true believe it or not by using slin you are dropping what is in the blood faster into the muscle, so calorie uptake will be higher therefor you can eat more calories per day without getting fat.
I believe your thinking in using slin on that one day is that the insulin sensitivity of muscles is really high, so the extra insulin shuttles nutrients to muscles fast and hard. The idea -if I expressed it accurately above- isn't wrong to be sure. But in real life application, do you see a discernible difference? Does the same person get a better pump, better workout, better.... something as a result of using slin on just a single reload day? I am just curious if such very short term use can really make a difference either way....
Very simple... What I have observed is that when using insulin and being careful with overall caloric intake, a lot of people actually gain less fat than they otherwise would or even slightly lean out while putting on muscle.
The way most bodybuilders use insulin is by pigging out on it. "Oh fuck I am on insulin, I will die if I don't eat 10 grams of carbs per 1 iu of slin... Oh by the way, did the complex carbs even count towards that 1 gram? Not sure... Maybe the pasta I ate will enter the bloodstream too slowly and I will still go into a coma. So let me be sure and first gulp down 100 grams of dextrose for the 10 iu of slin I shot and eat my pasta as an extra"
Now if someone uses insulin as described above, they will absolutely gain fat, no matter what. But by simply taking an OK amount of slin (the dose depending on various factors -people just should keep the slin dose sane), while eating a reasonable amount of balanced food (no, the dietary fat won't directly be stored as bodyfat just because you shot slin) including carbs fats and protein at normal proportions and being careful not to eat more than what is required to build muscle at a moderate pace, people actually either put on less fat that they would have without the slin or even lean out in my observation. This leaning often (not saying always and in every case) happens even when calories are moderately above maintenance.
My feeling is that the insulin shuttles the calories into muscles -and some of the excess into fat stores, inevitably- quickly. The calories and nutrients do not hang around for ever when you are on insulin. Then, the body senses a state of caloric deprivation and kicks of the whole process of burning fat, gherlin mediated GH release sequence and so on. By not being in a so-called "fed-state" nearly 24/7, exogenous insulin allows you to eat a good (but not extreme) quantity of food but still be in a fat burning zone during part of the day. Since you are storing some fat and then burning some of the stored fat, the net fat gain/loss balance can very well be negative...
Also please share opinions about the question I posted for OTH a few posts earlier. I am talking about the
Thanks a lot for your time....
New muscle takes time to grow, it just doesn't happen overnight, weight gain after competing is just water bloat.bro science at it's finest, this is the biggest crock of shit I ever heard.^^^^^^
As for gaining muscle whilst restricting excess fat thats pretty self explanatory, don't eat too many calories over maintenance.
OK let me rephrase:My plain is simple, when you adapt the body into an off season mode of eating it gets comfortable and the body react when dieting by struggling to maintain it's muscle as it desperately needs calories from anywhere.
Say you want to gain 20 lbs -so there will have to be new muscle tissue built up in addition to water and glycogen- of muscle after coming of the diet. Can you please share how you'd go about doing so while minimizing fat gain?
Thank you
bro science at it's finest, this is the biggest crock of shit I ever heard.^^^^^^
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man, you said it.
its a fine fine line between being respectably big and looking in shape and just being 'too' big.
this thread is very motivating nonetheless, keep up the good work guys I like following your transformationsthanks bro, but please tell me you will jump on stage again ?
dude the guy has no fucking clue what hes talking about.he tries :D
he tries to give 'advise' (i dont eat fat so i can eat more food) which is simply unfathomly retarded.
he should stick to just being a useless troll- as we all have witnessed such awesomeness as the opinion dispensed above when he tries to be something he's not- intelligent and useful :D
hi dj181
My plain is simple, when you adapt the body into an off season mode of eating it gets comfortable and the body react when dieting by struggling to maintain it's muscle as it desperately needs calories from anywhere.
So I introduced gh for the first time this year but have been dinking around with 2iu then 4 then back to 2 and now I don't even take it 2-3 days out of the week cause I simply forget and it is not a key arsenal at this point in time.
So as my body is going to be so depleted the uptake will be very proficient on the rebound that I plan on upping my does to 8 iu probably around mid Oct. then add slin post workout at 10IU per day for the winter.
As for my diet, my protein intake will remain high and carbs will be introduced at 200 grams per day for the first 20 days then 400 grams, all in healthy food while my cheat days will be once a weak.
Hormone intake will be a shot of test e per day and a shot of eq every other day, 2 shots of deca per weak, and 50-100mg of d-bols, very basic, very simple, pretty much on par with what the national level guys do or even on the low end of that spectrum believe it or not. Remember my target is nationals, I would not even be doing a quarter of this as an average gym rat.
Objective of ten lb is the minimum, I am 5 foot 9 and came in last time at 205lb when I should have probably have been 200lb, so the 10 lb would put me at 210-215 for nationals if I even make it that far and don't self destruct from this master plan ;D. I can not go light-heavies and right now I am at the bottom of the heavies so need to be at least 210-215 to place at nationals at my height, goal is at least top 3.
This is exactly why I took 5 years off bodybuilding, have not competed since 08 and took 2 years of juice altogether, the pics shown are from 08. My daughter was born and and now she is 4 and my son is 7 and they are my life but here is the part you will laugh at
Someone else mentioned you are married and you have kids? Assuming this is correct, how do you find time juggling your demanding business, seriously commit yourself to training and dieting and have time for your family?
Do you ever think of just giving up training for a while, do you think that relationship with your family might suffer because of it?
I am in similar position like you, running my own business, having a small kid and sometimes it is really hard to keep up, but on another note without gym I think I would feel even worse.
This is exactly why I took 5 years off bodybuilding, have not competed since 08 and took 2 years of juice altogether, the pics shown are from 08. My daughter was born and and now she is 4 and my son is 7 and they are my life but here is the part you will laugh at
My wife does not work and takes care of everything from food, laundry and kids stuff and she comes out to the job site to bring food, she goes and pics up products or tools and sometime brings the kids and I go down and hang out for half hour, and of course rain days I don't work, and sometimes buz is slow as I am only 3 years in so I have not established it to where I want but I am comfortable and more importantly I have freedom for as much time off as I want, I have friend I can sub work to during contest prep and work less so the balance is very nice.
While I was working for different companies I dreaded getting out of bed and it was hell, but now I am excited and I always end up with easy jobs cause I quote the ugly jobs high so I normally don't get them and if I do I charged high anyway so it's worth it.
I don't care of making even a dollar off of bodybuilding now, It is a hobby and I don't rely on it for anything, nor do I need to now, so any shmoe coming up to me for gay4 pay gig is getting knocked out ;D lol
Some typical meals:
1/2 lb Pollock + a bunch of green beans, or broccoli
1/2 lb Turkey breast + Spring Mix greens + 1/2 bell pepper
1/2 lb Salmon + asparagus or broccoli
5 hard boiled eggs (throw out one yolk) + bunch of spinach
1/2 of a skinless chicken + spring mix + 1/2 bell pepper
Use olive oil and vin on the salad and mustard on the meats and fish (hat tip to Gal)
Cheat Meals (3 total per week)
Chicken and Steak tacos + fries
Twin cheeseburger deluxe
2 slices of pizza w/ toppings (eggplant, sausage, or meatballs)
Frozen yogurt w/ numerous toppings for dessert.
a gallon icecream , let it melt a bit, then put cookies, chockalte bars , a doughnuts and bread in it.
it doesnt get any better. ;D
a gallon icecream , let it melt a bit, then put cookies, chockalte bars , a doughnuts and bread in it.
it doesnt get any better. ;D
youre quite the knowledgeable guy yourself, with excellent taste, there caramel thingie is absolutely true, thats why mars icecream is soo goddamed good.
that american icec ream company jerry and benny or whatever the name is ,they have a new product, with caramel in it, i think 1lbs package, caramle shock or something is the name, i downed 2 of those 2 days ago, brilliant stuff, all hfcs, but ohwell :D
ben and Jerry's dude.
lol fuck I'm still laughing
both i use both ;D
Did he die for us bitches yet?
Any recent pix oth.I am saving them all til the end but we are talking another 30 days only ;)
It's not easy to downsize at all. Im done with lifting big weights for now and Im trying to loose some size from my legs. I train them every 10 days and like 100kg on front squats max. Fuckers stay same size.you need to stop training them more than once a month
Im fed up with looking silly in jeans.
I am saving them all til the end but we are talking another 30 days only ;)it would have been realy cool if you took a pic everyday from the samw pose and lightning and then made a time laps video showing the transformation.
it would have been realy cool if you took a pic everyday from the samw pose and lightning and then made a time laps video showing the transformation.only an estimation 7-8%, But now is the hard part. The body goes through more discomfort.
At what bf% level do you think you are now at?
Any update pics bro? (1/16 homo)I decided to save it all until the end, this way I don`t have to worry about how I look like in between, the goal is to be more ripped then I ever have been in my life, if that means less muscle then so be it but have to stick to the main objective, 1 more month brother ;)
8)
only an estimation 7-8%, But now is the hard part. The body goes through more discomfort.lol 7-8% aftee 26 days. Thats fucking nuts how fast your metabomism is
I am going to struggle next week but the good part is every lb you drop at this time you look different, the scale is gone, don`t have a clue what I weigh.
I don`t stop until every body part has skin the thinness of an eye lid.
lol 7-8% aftee 26 days. Thats fucking nuts how fast yourmetabomism isdrugs work.
I remember the anticipation of cheating ;D
what is the point of dieting so hard if you are going to binge eat
might as well diet less rigidly and be normal?
i am just asking, why?
This is actually a decent question. I am not a fan of the massive cheats anymore. I spend 4 hours after sweating profusely with an accelerated heart beat, and have a hard time sleeping. Maybe this is just me I don't know. Some of my cheat meals can be a little over the top though.I normally diet Monday to Friday and eat what I like at weekends.
This is actually a decent question. I am not a fan of the massive cheats anymore. I spend 4 hours after sweating profusely with an accelerated heart beat, and have a hard time sleeping. Maybe this is just me I don't know. Some of my cheat meals can be a little over the top though.I experienced the same and so did people I train.. Cheating needs to be done in small meals throughout the day. Otherwise it can hit you pretty hard as you noticed
what is the point of dieting so hard if you are going to binge eatBecause I probably am the only bodybuilder on the planet that has gone 26 days without eating carbs. The whole point of this diet was for speed and to get as shredded as possible, a cheat meal smack in the middle has it`s benefits,
might as well diet less rigidly and be normal?
i am just asking, why?
Because I probably am the only bodybuilder on the planet that has gone 26 days without eating carbs. The whole point of this diet was for speed and to get as shredded as possible, a cheat meal smack in the middle has it`s benefits,???
1- it will keep me sane, 2- it will replace all my glycogen stores to give me a piece of mind and mentally recharge cause I will literally triple in size tomorrow- today i feel skinny. 3 it should replenish vitamins and mineral I am deficient in and a complete rejuvenation. you call it binge eating, i call it a reward at the end of torturous 26 day journey.
lol 7-8% aftee 26 days. Thats fucking nuts how fast your metabomism isYa around 15% body fat or more, I am guessing i am around 216-217, but not sure, that is down from 246.
Ya around 15% body fat or more, I am guessing i am around 216-217, but not sure, that is down from 246.
Don`t forget on top of my diet being extreme, i am on the roof as well so I probably burn a lot more calories then the average person does.
I experienced the same and so did people I train.. Cheating needs to be done in small meals throughout the day. Otherwise it can hit you pretty hard as you noticed
?????? not sure what you mean by that but normal bodybuilders that go no carbs fill up once a week, very few hit 10 days no carbs and if you are hitting 14 days no carbs you are considered a mental freak, an animal with insane discipline, I just did 26 days straight, anyone who has even tried this for one week knows how much hunger pains, agony, anxiety, emotions and the works it takes to do this, not trying to Bragg but fuck this was hard, but the reward was tenfold the hardness, cause I am shredded already.
??? not sure what you mean by that but normal bodybuilders that go no carbs fill up once a week, very few hit 10 days no carbs and if you are hitting 14 days no carbs you are considered a mental freak, an animal with insane discipline, I just did 26 days straight, anyone who has even tried this for one week knows how much hunger pains, agony, anxiety, emotions and the works it takes to do this, not trying to Bragg but fuck this was hard, but the reward was tenfold the hardness, cause I am shredded already.i thought some bbers went like 4 months without carbs
I have had people come up to me asking how many days out I am from my show and I am like ``i am not doing one`` and they are like WTF.
Because I probably am the only bodybuilder on the planet that has gone 26 days without eating carbs. The whole point of this diet was for speed and to get as shredded as possible, a cheat meal smack in the middle has it`s benefits,I thought you were eating fibrous carbs?
Couple questions Oth...very goo questions.
1) why limit your cheat meal? Do you really think it makes a difference in how much fat you'll put on from it? Also where do you get 5500 from?
2) do you fast and take diuretics again afterward?
3) do you think partial ROM has any benefit? Not locking out on bench press, etc
hear here ;D duly noted :D
I remember the anticipation of cheating ;Doh fuck :D
kinda like having a date w a hot chick you dig you haven't slept with yet.fuck that, the hot date with the hottest chick doesn`t compare ;D
i thought some bbers went like 4 months without carbsI have never heard of any since I have been alive that has done that, not even one.
I thought you were eating fibrous carbs?greens don`t count bro, lettuce, borcoli etc, i have never meant a bodybuilder that has counted that as carbs, when bodybuilders say i am eating 150 carbs they are not including brocoli, get with the program brother. ;)
I beleive it was pointed out he eats trace carbs through vegetables only, but isnt not counting them per se.This 8)
I have never heard of any since I have been alive that has done that, not even one.
An early proponent of an all animal-based diet was Icelandic-Canadian explorer Vilhjalmur Stefansson (1879 – 1962), who lived with the Inuit for some time and witnessed their diet as essentially consisting of meat and fish, with very few carbohydrates -— just berries during the summer. Stefansson and a friend later volunteered for a one year experiment at Bellevue Hospital Center in New York City to prove he could thrive on a diet of nothing but meat, meat fat and internal organs of animals.[1] His progress was closely monitored and experiments were done on his health throughout the year. At the end of the year, he did not show any symptoms of ill health; he did not develop scurvy, which many scientists had expected to manifest itself only a few months into the diet due to the lack of vitamin C in muscle meat. However, Stefansson and his partner did not eat just muscle meat but also fat, raw brain, raw liver (a significant source of vitamin C and others), and other varieties of offal.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-carbohydrate_diet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-carbohydrate_dietYOU ARE A DING DONG, i HAVE KNOWN LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE DONE WAY MORE THEN THIS.
26 days, what a lightweight ;D
you know what,haha, i think i modified my metabolism so far its sooo gone from the carbs thing, lol, i tried to have little bit rice and banana, you know, not to change dieting, but simly bc i havent eaten rice in a year or so.actually come to think about it, yes yes you told me you were on your forth week, fuck man you are animal bro, I am not going to lie am breaking down here but the beuaty of it is once I eat that and feel good again i am ready to go for another round no problem.
i think i mustnt point out how "well" thsat ended ;D
hey oth, i once did 40wo any carbs whatsoever, the anabolic diet book said thats the time needed to get into full ketosis, haha and i believed it and did it. ;D
and then last year i did something like 4weeks, we were in conttact by pm then im suereyou remember :D
but 26days wo is hell indeed ;D
i eat tons of carbs everydayAre you still as lean as your pics?
Are you still as lean as your pics?they are not his pics, he takes them from someone's FB page.
Are you still as lean as your pics?i posted a pic the other day, this one, i took this one two days ago or so
I've been trying out a diet like OTH, except that I don't only eat chicken and fish I eat a fuck load of read meat too and I don't count the portions.Good stuff, speaking of cheating i am eating a big crunch as we speak, lol.
sunday I was 228, today I am 215
already having a cheat day today tho, I do it just for fun I won't do 3 weeks without cheating like this crazy mofo !
Good stuff, speaking of cheating i am eating a big crunch as we speak, lol.True getbigger right there.
Had some steak and eggs this morning, then some pasta and garlic bread at east side Mario's, and now a big crunch.
tonight will be ribs and mashed potatoes, later on will be a lb of wings and some nachos, salsa and cheese.
Oh and 4 Oreo ice cream circle things.
True getbigger right there.dogg, I am in heaven ;D
Well done mate you have earned it.
I once went zero carbs for 9 months not even veggies.
Did you poop? I know you say that w enough fats, staying regular isn't an issue.... but that seems to contradict all available medical advice. Where does the roughage come from?anal from the boyfriend.
Good stuff, speaking of cheating i am eating a big crunch as we speak, lol.
Had some steak and eggs this morning, then some pasta and garlic bread at east side Mario's, and now a big crunch.
tonight will be ribs and mashed potatoes, later on will be a lb of wings and some nachos, salsa and cheese.
Oh and 4 Oreo ice cream circle things.
I once went zero carbs for 9 months not even veggies.
What a day, wow, it is all over now, back to the trenches. I tripled in size today, my arms measured at 19.25, Abs were bulging out and all my vains came out like crazy
Legs measured in at 29 inches. Very happy with look, yesterday I felt so skinny, I was like fuck and my losing muscle? but I filled out better then ever today, I am now super motivated, I will get as lean as humanly possible now and do not care if I lose muscle, no pressure since I am not getting ready for a show so I have nothing to worry about in terms of size, I will sacrifice size if needs be to see how low I can get
Thanks for the support everyone, don't worry pics are coming I am at the point of no return.
now the next days the abs and stuff will deflate again and under skin be some water and maybe a tad fat, but goes away after what2-3 days, stay strong 8)Oh dude I look even better this morning cause my stomach was a little big yesterday and today when I woke up a couple hours ago my stomach shrunk, I can do a vacuum pose, lol. :D
8to 6 is motivating and kinda easy, from there it all has to be motivation 8)
youll do it :D
fuck yeah man good jobMentally recharged is huge at this point and man do feel like I am ready to roll with the diet again.
a good day of shit load is more than enough to keep your mind in check, and your physique to boot
keep going
I did what you are doing in the past. Last time I dieted I tried instead of pigging out a day in a blue moon, more often and small meals throughout the day or even one meal depending on how I felt. I always look for a balanced aproach both with myself and with the people I help.
I did what you are doing in the past. Last time I dieted I tried instead of pigging out a day in a blue moon, more often and small meals throughout the day or even one meal depending on how I felt. I always look for a balanced aproach both with myself and with the people I help.
2008?a few months ago you idiot :D
a few months ago you idiot :D
are you a personal trainer now sevIn the past I always had a constant stream of people who come to me to get in shape or los eweight. Word gets around so I guess it is a part of what I do now. I do enjoy it. I shy away from trining people but deal with the diet exclusively. I think the diet is the key for anyone be it a bodybuilder or a regular joe trying to slim down. I had my first "client" in 1997 ... a marathon runner, then a girl for a fitness show and so on..
i always had you down as a man of leisure
here's an 8 week transformation without drugs just diet
beginning at 200 lbs and fiunishing at 182
all diet no drugs (2007)
i posted a pic the other day, this one, i took this one two days ago or so
i'm a bit flabby and bloated always on the stomach but pretty much always been this way, since i started bb i never really changed much in bf i think i may be oblivious tho
off topic: i stopped training traps, getbig told me to, they said a narrow bber should never train trap. but i notice now they are regressing. is it really a good idea to stop them?
you seriously need to start injecting in your delts. Christ almighty they are weak.you mean synthol?
you mean synthol?no, even basic delt injects with test. build up some scar tissue and temporary growth from the oil. anything to help give you a small advantage. when you stand in the mirror with your hands down i bet you look like a pyramid. do you train delts at all?
fuck that
you seriously need to start injecting in your delts. Christ almighty they are weak.attach a cable to each arm and he could side delts in his sleep as he turns over he gets the other side and so on,,,
Quick bump for OTH.I can not complain, however I am approx 3-5lb smaller then my peek. You may say 3 lb, big deal but it is for a bodybuilder
You still on track mate?
I can not complain, however I am approx 3-5lb smaller then my peek. You may say 3 lb, big deal but it is for a bodybuilderkeep it going,feel good i bet and lean as fuk too..
I have only been training and juicing for 6-7 months since my time off to heal my ham tear, so what can I expect, the strides I have made are enormous but until I enter new territory of growth I won't be satisfied.
Now, how do I know, well I said i was not going to bother with scale and measurement but my curiosity got the best of me.
I am 209 lb after a lasix and am 6% body fat today.
Did a 7 fold test.
My workouts are screwed right now cause I took 2 contracts for roofing with a builder in new construction which I regret big time, The houses are huge and cut up big time and they are 14/12 in pitch which means it is a very steep angle so I can not even go to the gym, shingling off a rope all day = aches and pains everywhere, i went to the gym once this week and probably once more next week, shouldn't have taken the work but too late.
I have never dieted this fast in my life, that is a deficit of 37 lb (including water) in pretty much an average of a lb a day :o
Haha the beauty of being a roofer, the calories get killed day in day out
Wow, is it after one month of dieting?Yup, like 32 or 33 days, from 246 approx, 15-16 % body fat
I can not complain, however I am approx 3-5lb smaller then my peek. You may say 3 lb, big deal but it is for a bodybuilder
I have only been training and juicing for 6-7 months since my time off to heal my ham tear, so what can I expect, the strides I have made are enormous but until I enter new territory of growth I won't be satisfied.
Now, how do I know, well I said i was not going to bother with scale and measurement but my curiosity got the best of me.
I am 209 lb after a lasix and am 6% body fat today.
Did a 7 fold test.
My workouts are screwed right now cause I took 2 contracts for roofing with a builder in new construction which I regret big time, The houses are huge and cut up big time and they are 14/12 in pitch which means it is a very steep angle so I can not even go to the gym, shingling off a rope all day = aches and pains everywhere, i went to the gym once this week and probably once more next week, shouldn't have taken the work but too late.
I have never dieted this fast in my life, that is a deficit of 37 lb (including water) in pretty much an average of a lb a day :o
Haha the beauty of being a roofer, the calories get killed day in day out
So you basically hit your goal in 33 days instead of 60?Well close but fuck talk about totally mis-calculating everything, I can jump on stage in less then 10 days if I wanted. :-\ :-\
I can not complain, however I am approx 3-5lb smaller then my peek. You may say 3 lb, big deal but it is for a bodybuilder
I have only been training and juicing for 6-7 months since my time off to heal my ham tear, so what can I expect, the strides I have made are enormous but until I enter new territory of growth I won't be satisfied.
Now, how do I know, well I said i was not going to bother with scale and measurement but my curiosity got the best of me.
I am 209 lb after a lasix and am 6% body fat today.
Did a 7 fold test.
My workouts are screwed right now cause I took 2 contracts for roofing with a builder in new construction which I regret big time, The houses are huge and cut up big time and they are 14/12 in pitch which means it is a very steep angle so I can not even go to the gym, shingling off a rope all day = aches and pains everywhere, i went to the gym once this week and probably once more next week, shouldn't have taken the work but too late.
I have never dieted this fast in my life, that is a deficit of 37 lb (including water) in pretty much an average of a lb a day :o
Haha the beauty of being a roofer, the calories get killed day in day out
Well close but fuck talk about totally mis-calculating everything, I can jump on stage in less then 10 days if I wanted. :-\ :-\
I can not complain, however I am approx 3-5lb smaller then my peek. You may say 3 lb, big deal but it is for a bodybuilder
I have only been training and juicing for 6-7 months since my time off to heal my ham tear, so what can I expect, the strides I have made are enormous but until I enter new territory of growth I won't be satisfied.
Now, how do I know, well I said i was not going to bother with scale and measurement but my curiosity got the best of me.
I am 209 lb after a lasix and am 6% body fat today.
Did a 7 fold test.
My workouts are screwed right now cause I took 2 contracts for roofing with a builder in new construction which I regret big time, The houses are huge and cut up big time and they are 14/12 in pitch which means it is a very steep angle so I can not even go to the gym, shingling off a rope all day = aches and pains everywhere, i went to the gym once this week and probably once more next week, shouldn't have taken the work but too late.
I have never dieted this fast in my life, that is a deficit of 37 lb (including water) in pretty much an average of a lb a day :o
Haha the beauty of being a roofer, the calories get killed day in day out
I can not complain, however I am approx 3-5lb smaller then my peek. You may say 3 lb, big deal but it is for a bodybuilderPhysical labor and Bodybuilding don't mix! Great job OTH!
I have only been training and juicing for 6-7 months since my time off to heal my ham tear, so what can I expect, the strides I have made are enormous but until I enter new territory of growth I won't be satisfied.
Now, how do I know, well I said i was not going to bother with scale and measurement but my curiosity got the best of me.
I am 209 lb after a lasix and am 6% body fat today.
Did a 7 fold test.
My workouts are screwed right now cause I took 2 contracts for roofing with a builder in new construction which I regret big time, The houses are huge and cut up big time and they are 14/12 in pitch which means it is a very steep angle so I can not even go to the gym, shingling off a rope all day = aches and pains everywhere, i went to the gym once this week and probably once more next week, shouldn't have taken the work but too late.
I have never dieted this fast in my life, that is a deficit of 37 lb (including water) in pretty much an average of a lb a day :o
Haha the beauty of being a roofer, the calories get killed day in day out
Quick question, why the lasix, is it just a quick fix to see where you are rather than reducing sodium for a couple of days?I want to have a true estimate at what I need to do get that last 3% off so the lasix is to see how much is left, since the water is drained out, my piss was orange/red, you see what people do not realize is that at 3% there is no water left anyway, lasix or not, there is no fat to hold water, which is the goal so at 6% without water I can guess that I would be 3% at 198lb, fuck I have not been under 200 lb in almost 7 years :o
Pics or I'm calling bullshit.Not one person on here in years and years have ever known me for lying, not even once. If there is one rep that I do carry and only one, it would be that I do not lie, I take pride in not being a liar, in my books a liar is the lowest of the low. ;)
I am NOT suprised. What sets OTH apart is the fact that he does NOT cheat. One carb day in a blue moon. However, I do not know many people who can be as disciplined as him. I did this myself and I helped many people shed fat this way. It does make a difference when you enter ketosys and actually STAY a length of time like this.
I am curious what Disgusted's oppinion is on the following ..
When wediet, both Jim, me and OTH for example have similar aproaches (zero carbs). I tried carbing up with a meal, an entire day of eating then I varied the intervals (3,4,6 days up to 14-21 days).
The most dramatic fat loss occured when I (or my clients) stayed on zero carbs the longest. The longer we prolonged it, the more fat we burned. I hit plateaus, I went zero until got dried, etc.
My buddy dropped 70 lbs in 90 days with 4 carb days the entire time.
Oppinions?
PS: here's me and my best friend on this type of diet
Not one person on here in years and years have ever known me for lying, not even once. If there is one rep that I do carry and only one, it would be that I do not lie, I take pride in not being a liar, in my books a liar is the lowest of the low. ;)Piiiiiiiiiiccccsssssss!!!!!!!
Pics will come when I have my striated glutes, i know I know Chaos you can not wait for the glute shots but tough ;D
Piiiiiiiiiiccccsssssss!!!!!!!he said earlier he will only post pics when he is done
he said earlier he will only post pics when he is doneHe's never going to be done. :(
(http://blindgossip.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/men-hugging-2.jpg)
PS: here's me and my best friend on this type of diet
(http://s18.postimg.org/687vllxax/17th_august.jpg)unbelievable, you look awesome, the tris in the lower left pic is a nice shot, are you going further?
OTH your feedback would be appreciated.
Sorry for posting it here, didn't want to hog your thread but cleanest natural doesn't seem to mind posting his pics here.
it's the result of 6 weeks diet (30 days in total I take weekends off)
He's never going to be done. :(Bro read the title, it says 60 days, when that is up then call me out, until then settle yourself down a bit ;)
ive been missing in the thread. what dosages are u on (be honest u can pm me all the drugs im curious if u dun wana share ur secrets public) and no cardio at 1000calories ed am i right??I am suppose to be on...
unbelievable, you look awesome, the tris in the lower left pic is a nice shot, are you going further?Thanks mate, yes another two weeks diet before Im away on holiday.
I am suppose to be on...
100mg prop
100mg tren
100mg anadrol
100mg anavar
PER DAY
but fuck roofing and life is just to much, I miss shots every other day, i forget to take pills some days, so fuck I am doing 2 thirds of that at most cause I am busy and tired and sore, fucken roofing season, what a hell of time to pick to do this.
one more week and the hell with roofing for 3 weeks, gym and diet and full out assault for 3 weeks, got to get those striated glute shots for Chaos so he can put them on his wall, lol ;D
wow, you guys are great, thanks everyone, unlike others I can actually admit that what you guys think is important to me
, any how, will assess everything tonight, cause I really want to come in for mid sept, as my kids go back to school, so my options are this, continue and be where I want in 10 days or take 7 days off my diet and resume back to hardcore dieting in seven days, which might be better, that way I won't even train and can get these 2 stupid jobs out of the way and still be ready well before the 60 day mark.
By getting off the diet, I would add 2 peanut butter and jelly sandwhiches at breakfast, a double patty cheeseburger for lunch with a potato and a steak with rice for dinner on top of my normal diet. this will allow me to stay at 6-7% and then come back to normal.
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I suggested to a friend of mine I should do a physique show. he laughed at me.Is he still alive?
a few reasons for this. your almost there now. if you've never been that low you know how difficult to is to get fat off you've never lost before. the second reason is you'll have a much easier time stripping away that fat in the spring when you do your first show. the third reason is you always look better for some reason the 'next time' you go as low in body fat. you seem to hold greater density and a better over all look the more times you diet back down to that level. the final reason bring, altho this won't be a problem for you but might be for some (like me ) is getting back in the hole once you've got a taste for food again esp after the body has been denied so strictly. it's a sonofabitch for me to be sure. I'd rather stay the course and make sure I get to where I'm going rather than throw an unexpected wrench in things. part of my personality really. I only find challenges in extremes.
ill tell you how much you motivate me OTH.nice post no one..this is how i feel to...i havebean off the gym for 5 years and starting trainig again 8 weeks ago (juicing from week one, why bother otherwise lol) and i have had a hard time with my motivation esp the last weeks juggling work and im a single dad with one kid but oth has gave me so fucking much motivation, more than anyone before and im already thinking about go the full way and do a competion in the spring. That was allways my goal when i was younger so it would be fun to do one now at 32 years of age.
you make me want to do the same thing your doing- up the dose and grow into the nationals starting w the mississaugas next spring.
the only reason I won't do it is that I hate bbing. lol sounds weird but I hate the getting on stage in a thong part. always did. just always felt weird to me. if I could do it in board shorts I would. I suggested to a friend of mine I should do a physique show. he laughed at me. :D
anyway just thought I'd share. when I see someone so driven that it makes me want to compete that's about the highest compliment I can pay someone. cheers.
nice post no one..this is how i feel to...i havebean off the gym for 5 years and starting trainig again 8 weeks ago (juicing from week one, why bother otherwise lol) and i have had a hard time with my motivation esp the last weeks juggling work and im a single dad with one kid but oth has gave me so fucking much motivation, more than anyone before and im already thinking about go the full way and do a competion in the spring. That was allways my goal when i was younger so it would be fun to do one now at 32 years of age.
Not one person on here in years and years have ever known me for lying, not even once. If there is one rep that I do carry and only one, it would be that I do not lie, I take pride in not being a liar, in my books a liar is the lowest of the low. ;)Ya I don't always agree with some of your opinions but never got a vibe that you are a bullshitter. Always ready to throw up a vid or pic if you are called out. That's rough you have to knock out the majority of those roofs. Put a positive spin on it, majority of the money is going in your pocket. I sure cant knock out the rough plumbing on a new house like I could 10yrs ago.
Pics will come when I have my striated glutes, i know I know Chaos you can not wait for the glute shots but tough ;D
Not one person on here in years and years have ever known me for lying, not even once. If there is one rep that I do carry and only one, it would be that I do not lie, I take pride in not being a liar, in my books a liar is the lowest of the low. ;)Everybody lies, whether it be small ones for our egos` sake, or to grease civililty`s wheels, or even big whoppers on occasion. People who claim not to lie are the biggest liars of us all.
Pics will come when I have my striated glutes, i know I know Chaos you can not wait for the glute shots but tough ;D
no he was 3% at one competition if i dont remember wrong
ERR.. oth has said hes never been as low as 3%. thats what my suggestion was based on. unlike you i add discussion and things of interest to a thread.
btw speaking of which, congrats needy on cluttering up oths thread with your floppy- titted physique. whats wrong with you anyway? you even created your own 'look at me' thread but i guess you didnt get the appropriatepraisefeedback.
keep your bullshit out of this thread.
no he was 3% at one competition if i dont remember wrong(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=238120.0;attach=278581;image)
ERR.. oth has said hes never been as low as 3%. thats what my suggestion was based on. unlike you i add discussion and things of interest to a thread.
btw speaking of which, congrats needy on cluttering up oths thread with your floppy- titted physique. whats wrong with you anyway? you even created your own 'look at me' thread but i guess you didnt get the appropriatepraisefeedback.
keep your bullshit out of this thread.
Bro read the title, it says 60 days, when that is up then call me out, until then settle yourself down a bit ;)Need ripped.....glute shots.....NOW!!! >:(
And you keep your "gym bod" out of a thread about competitive bodybuilding.
You only stopped competing because you realise you didnt have the "stage look".
Once up there all your flaws jumped out, the long angular arms, the shitty calves, the wide hips and pinched clavicles and poor abs.
Cant hide up there in a pair of trunks like you can in the shadows of a bathroom mirror with you long trousers on.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=238120.0;attach=278581;image);)
Yes, it was that one.
hahahaha 'stage look' he says! hahaha priceless! :D is that what you have ugay- is that the 'stage look'? fragile and weak looking as if just the thought of bench pressing 315 is enough to shatter your elbows and crack your sternum?;D
its like this, lumpy- im 240+ at <6% at 6'2- stand us beside each other nobody would like twice at you let alone once. you'd look like an emaciated 12 year old girl with brittle bone disease. hahahaha 'stage look' he says! classic! :D
That is so true, a couple of years ago I was all over the place trying to get jobs and frustrated, now I just don't even try and then they fall on my lap every day, weird but yes should be grateful, you are right 8)
Consider yourself lucky that you have so much work and you business is doing well. Never complain about it my friend. There might come days when you might be desperate to get any work. Running your own business is completely different ball game. Being able to provide for family should be at the very top of our existence and be proud of yourself that you are able to do it. The rest is less important. Ok shredded glutes are pretty close in importance. :D
ill tell you how much you motivate me OTH.thanks bro. 8)
you make me want to do the same thing your doing- up the dose and grow into the nationals starting w the mississaugas next spring.
the only reason I won't do it is that I hate bbing. lol sounds weird but I hate the getting on stage in a thong part. always did. just always felt weird to me. if I could do it in board shorts I would. I suggested to a friend of mine I should do a physique show. he laughed at me. :D
anyway just thought I'd share. when I see someone so driven that it makes me want to compete that's about the highest compliment I can pay someone. cheers.
nice post no one..this is how i feel to...i havebean off the gym for 5 years and starting trainig again 8 weeks ago (juicing from week one, why bother otherwise lol) and i have had a hard time with my motivation esp the last weeks juggling work and im a single dad with one kid but oth has gave me so fucking much motivation, more than anyone before and im already thinking about go the full way and do a competion in the spring. That was allways my goal when i was younger so it would be fun to do one now at 32 years of age.Good to see you are back in the game. Motivation is difficult to come by sometimes carry on.
Good to see you are back in the game. Motivation is difficult to come by sometimes carry on.thanks. The first weeks where a pain in the ass but it gets easier and easier.
hahahaha 'stage look' he says! hahaha priceless! :D is that what you have ugay- is that the 'stage look'? fragile and weak looking as if just the thought of bench pressing 315 is enough to shatter your elbows and crack your sternum?Yet no photos of your angular poorly shaped body in a pair of trunks in a competition.
its like this, lumpy- im 240+ at <6% at 6'2- stand us beside each other nobody would like twice at you let alone once. you'd look like an emaciated 12 year old girl with brittle bone disease. hahahaha 'stage look' he says! classic! :D
ill tell you how much you motivate me OTH.An earlier draft went like this
you make me want to do the same thing your doing- up the dose and grow into the nationals starting w the mississaugas next spring.
the only reason I won't do it is that I hate bbing. lol sounds weird but I hate the getting on stage in a thong part. always did. just always felt weird to me. if I could do it in board shorts I would. I suggested to a friend of mine I should do a physique show. he laughed at me. :D
anyway just thought I'd share. when I see someone so driven that it makes me want to compete that's about the highest compliment I can pay someone. cheers.
what do you studs think about shakes and spiking insulin with sugary drink crystals post workout?
can they increase growth and speed recovery without sabotaging leanness (while running 500 mg test e/wk) or are they ghosts from a Flex Magazine fantasy world?
ill tell you how much you motivate me OTH.
you make me want to do the same thing your doing- up the dose and grow into the nationals starting w the mississaugas next spring.
the only reason I won't do it is that I hate bbing. lol sounds weird but I hate the getting on stage in a thong part. always did. just always felt weird to me. if I could do it in board shorts I would. I suggested to a friend of mine I should do a physique show. he laughed at me. :D
anyway just thought I'd share. when I see someone so driven that it makes me want to compete that's about the highest compliment I can pay someone. cheers.
An earlier draft went like thisBro don't stir the pot, no one is a genetic freak and could easily give my a run if not beat me if he tried. Stop with the comparison or at least leave me out of it. Peace 8)
ill tell you how much I'm jealous of you OTH.
you make me want to try to do the same thing you're doing- up the dose and grow into the nationals starting w the mississaugas next spring win the overall at the Canadian Nationals, turn pro win my first show with straight firsts across the board be the first rookie to win the Olympia and break Lee Haneys record of eight consecutive Olympias.
the only reason I won't do it is that I tried it once and found myself sadly wanting when compare onstage against other in shape bodybuilders.
lol sounds weird but I hate the getting on stage in a thong because I cant hide my glaring faults. always did. just always felt really embarrassing to me. if I could do it in board shorts I would because my legs are shit.
I suggested to a friend of mine I should do a physique show. he laughed at me and said, "Dont forget mate, i was there the last time you got onstage and made a fool of yourself, you didnt speak for 3 months". :D
anyway just thought I'd share beacsue I hate it when others get any Kudos.
when I see someone so driven that it makes me want to compete but I know i could never put myself in the position of being so humiliated again.
that's about the highest compliment I can pay someone as it allows me to get into your thread and ride your success like I have been doing with Gal.
TBH I think Gal has become a bit sick of me of late. cheers.
Bro don't stir the pot, no one is a genetic freak and could easily give my a run if not beat me if he tried. Stop with the comparison or at least leave me out of it. Peace 8)Im not stirring it for you mate.
Speaking of getting shredded, what is your thoughts on Deca affecting aldosterone, causing water retention?This is precisely the hormone that makes you cramp a lot, so when it is high, even with most fierce of diuretics getting rid of water is simply not an option, hence dieting with deca is retarded in any case.
This is precisely the hormone that makes you cramp a lot, so when it is high, even with most fierce of diuretics getting rid of water is simply not an option, hence dieting with deca is retarded in any case.
Now the consumption of sodium brings this hormone down, so it is actually beneficial to eat sodium while there is an increase in this hormone. So some people say well take a compound that causes water retention but just don`t eat sodium, well, it doesn`t work that way.
The best thing to do is sodium load to drop the hormone to very low levels then sodium deplete and restrict and eliminate water, then you have bought yourself a 7 day window where the hormone would be very low and you can get dry as fuck.
Little tricks we learn to get rid of water, i have this down pat with myself, which is why I am looking forward to getting rid of all my fat cause I know how to get rid of every last drop of water perfectly.
This is a great post! I've wondered why I was cramping a lot on deca...It might be your menstrual cycle.
It might be your menstrual cycle.
I can not complain, however I am approx 3-5lb smaller then my peek. You may say 3 lb, big deal but it is for a bodybuilder
I have only been training and juicing for 6-7 months since my time off to heal my ham tear, so what can I expect, the strides I have made are enormous but until I enter new territory of growth I won't be satisfied.
Now, how do I know, well I said i was not going to bother with scale and measurement but my curiosity got the best of me.
I am 209 lb after a lasix and am 6% body fat today.
Did a 7 fold test.
My workouts are screwed right now cause I took 2 contracts for roofing with a builder in new construction which I regret big time, The houses are huge and cut up big time and they are 14/12 in pitch which means it is a very steep angle so I can not even go to the gym, shingling off a rope all day = aches and pains everywhere, i went to the gym once this week and probably once more next week, shouldn't have taken the work but too late.
I have never dieted this fast in my life, that is a deficit of 37 lb (including water) in pretty much an average of a lb a day :o
Haha the beauty of being a roofer, the calories get killed day in day out
No no...you are the one with massive Butthurt pains, not me. I'm sorry for scalping you in a public forum.I guess spermachelli can't sense sarcasm.
I guess spermachelli can't sense sarcasm.
How does it feel to not be able to relate in any way to the dieting/training advice in this thread? :DTime to make a quick exit.
pretty impressive bro, especially considering the type of job you have etc..
exactly, that's what is the most impressive about this whole thing.
at my job I pretty much do jack shit all day and I still make stupid mistakes when I am on zero carbs cause I feel so tired
and that mofo is roofing days in days out lmao
that's not human
Seriously....I don't get how he does it.
I can not complain, however I am approx 3-5lb smaller then my peek. You may say 3 lb, big deal but it is for a bodybuilder
I have only been training and juicing for 6-7 months since my time off to heal my ham tear, so what can I expect, the strides I have made are enormous but until I enter new territory of growth I won't be satisfied.
Now, how do I know, well I said i was not going to bother with scale and measurement but my curiosity got the best of me.
I am 209 lb after a lasix and am 6% body fat today.
Did a 7 fold test.
My workouts are screwed right now cause I took 2 contracts for roofing with a builder in new construction which I regret big time, The houses are huge and cut up big time and they are 14/12 in pitch which means it is a very steep angle so I can not even go to the gym, shingling off a rope all day = aches and pains everywhere, i went to the gym once this week and probably once more next week, shouldn't have taken the work but too late.
I have never dieted this fast in my life, that is a deficit of 37 lb (including water) in pretty much an average of a lb a day :o
Haha the beauty of being a roofer, the calories get killed day in day out
How does it feel to not be able to relate in any way to the dieting/training advice in this thread? :D
4 days on low carbs + training makes me feel as if my muscles are hollow and drained to the last drop.
I don't know, but maybe for me AI's and T3 really fucks up fluid and carb retention, which i know OTH is not taking.
Either way, roofing in that condition must be miserable.
the million dollar question i always ask is how the fuck did shizzo end up finding this place? he doesnt train or workout, hes not into health or nutrition...i think the guy is just gay really. has a hardon for muscular men
bro no offense i find this hard to believe. It's actually a compiment to you, but i see no way you were able to come within 5 pounds of your peak with all that time off, and a crash diet...compared to you during your best year/years with a succesfull offseason going directly into cutting cycle (i assume that's what you always did)
I have seen transformations like this more than once
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it has 0 to do with transformation you missed my point bro. stavios has been training and juicing for years, he has been 250 pounds MANY TIMES......last year he gets up to a big jacked lean hard 250 in the offseason, like always... crash diets for 8 weeks and is 220lbs shredded.
new stavios comes off gear and stops training for months and is a fat out of shape 240 pounds, crash diets and ends up 220lbs shredded.
Im not saying guys cant do it, but if you can do it, then IMO there is no point in training year round really...
The thing I admire the most with OTH is the discipline. The older and more knoledgeable I become, the more poeple I meet and train, the more I realize that there are VERY few people who can be disciplined and not give in to craves like those who lack willpower in a sickening way.X2.
X2.
There's never been a time with such easy access to empty calories. As a corollary, it takes more discipline than ever to not get fat, even for those of us who somewhat know what we're doing.it is harder and harder I agree
The food sellers sure don't help. Even at Whole Foods, to get to my chicken breast and veggies, I have to pass that damn cookie and cake department, and some of that stuff looks good.
There's never been a time with such easy access to empty calories. As a corollary, it takes more discipline than ever to not get fat, even for those of us who somewhat know what we're doing.True. Temptation is the word. Even myself I never was addicted to sugar snacks but now days they are right in your face. Discipline is the key.
The food sellers sure don't help. Even at Whole Foods, to get to my chicken breast and veggies, I have to pass that damn cookie and cake department, and some of that stuff looks good.
bro no offense i find this hard to believe. It's actually a compiment to you, but i see no way you were able to come within 5 pounds of your peak with all that time off, and a crash diet...compared to you during your best year/years with a succesfull offseason going directly into cutting cycle (i assume that's what you always did)Those are the numbers bro. What people do not understand is it takes no more then 3 months to get all the muscle you ever had on at any given time, no matter how much muscle loss. I don't play with tiny doses, I go big right from the get go.
The thing I admire the most with OTH is the discipline. The older and more knoledgeable I become, the more poeple I meet and train, the more I realize that there are VERY few people who can be disciplined and not give in to craves like those who lack willpower in a sickening way.Thank you Sev.
Seriously....I don't get how he does it.I would be lying if I told you it was easy, some days are brutal, other days are not so bad, I have 8 bundles to do to finish this enormous house I have been struggling on. I am heading there right now then to the gym and then I have to go measure two roofs and give quotes so today is a friggen easy day lol :D should have a good workout.
Those are the numbers bro. What people do not understand is it takes no more then 3 months to get all the muscle you ever had on at any given time, no matter how much muscle loss. I don't play with tiny doses, I go big right from the get go.RIGHT ON BRO,,,
At all time during this time period I make sure everybody part is sore or at least not in the condition to be trained every single day so that when a body part does free up, I hit it again and so on and so on.
I wolf down protein at a rate of 300 grams per day day in day out. I have naps and sleep on weekend, i do not do drugs, I do not party, i do not drink, go to bars, in fact on Sunday you will see me at Church.
So 3 months from scrap, all muscle is back since I am maximizing the endeavour with compulsion mental disorder like attitude.
Now to enter new territory, the muscle gains once they reach your previous peek come to a hault, you would be lucky if you entered new territory at a rate of 5lb in 3 months.
Hope this clarifies things for you and BTW the pics are coming so you judge wether I am almost my previous size, maybe I am not, maybe I am delusional :-\ :'(
I would be lying if I told you it was easy, some days are brutal, other days are not so bad, I have 8 bundles to do to finish this enormous house I have been struggling on. I am heading there right now then to the gym and then I have to go measure two roofs and give quotes so today is a friggen easy day lol :D should have a good workout.
If I told you how much water I drank yesterday 11 hours in the blazing sun, you would not believe me, I brought a 24 case of water for myself and when I packed up, I had 3 bottles left.
Is he done yet?your mom says he is
Thank you Sev.^
The thing is I love bodybuilding so much for my own sake not stage bodybuilding 8) that if I can not take it to the hardest level, I rather not even train or workout or do anything related, it is all or nothing, so I struggled with this for the last 5 years and finally got the spark back in spades,...
I would be damned if I threw that desire out the window over a cookie or piece of cake, this makes me sad that people can not restrain themselves, truly, you have 1 shot at this and you fold, not cool, not even worthy of calling yourself a man if you cheat, SORRY TO THE GUYS THAT CAN NOT HACK IT, BUT THAT IS THE UNFRIENDLY AND PLAIN TRUTH, YOU GUYS ARE BOYS NOT MEN, REAL MEN SUCK IT UP AND DO WHAT IS NECESSARY.
there you have it, now I appreciate everyone here with their kind words, getbig is the best ;)
He seeks a community to be a part of that will accept him and validate him. He obviously lacks any form of this in his real life, thats why he takes this place so seriously. Even DJ181 has enough dignity to tell us to fuck off and will lay low when he's getting picked on here.I have been in decent shape a few times in my life. At 20, (and on pro-hormones) I got to 185 at around 8%. Not bad for a natural ectomorph. A couple of years ago, I was a sloppy 235 (I'm a more solid 235 now). I lost 60 pounds, and went down to 175 at 10%. Of course I had help from USP labs JACKED and Oxy Elite Pro. I can remember running around like a meth head :D
I believe Sev summed him up the best with this quote:
"Shizzo is like crabs."
-Cleanest Natural
I have been in decent shape a few times in my life. At 20, (and on pro-hormones) I got to 185 at around 8%. Not bad for a natural ectomorph. A couple of years ago, I was a sloppy 235 (I'm a more solid 235 now). I lost 60 pounds, and went down to 175 at 10%. Of course I had help from USP labs JACKED and Oxy Elite Pro. I can remember running around like a meth head :D
As for people that say I am not interested in bodybuilding: I used to be interested in the 90's and early 2000 pros (Coleman, Yates, Levrone, Wheeler, Ray, Jackson, Cormier etc....) Now? Not so much. I still keep up with who wins the contests (with the help of Getbig) and can name as many pros as most on here.
I am not gay, and I am not a schmoe. I have been here for almost 10 years, because it is an awesome site. I will get back into shape real soon. You can count on that. It's a hard life for a natural ;)
I have been in decent shape a few times in my life. At 20, (and on pro-hormones) I got to 185 at around 8%. Not bad for a natural ectomorph. A couple of years ago, I was a sloppy 235 (I'm a more solid 235 now). I lost 60 pounds, and went down to 175 at 10%. Of course I had help from USP labs JACKED and Oxy Elite Pro. I can remember running around like a meth head :DHow many shots today and who lives in that house across the street? Nice car though.
As for people that say I am not interested in bodybuilding: I used to be interested in the 90's and early 2000 pros (Coleman, Yates, Levrone, Wheeler, Ray, Jackson, Cormier etc....) Now? Not so much. I still keep up with who wins the contests (with the help of Getbig) and can name as many pros as most on here.
I am not gay, and I am not a schmoe. I have been here for almost 10 years, because it is an awesome site. I will get back into shape real soon. You can count on that. It's a hard life for a natural ;)
How many shots today and who lives in that house across the street? Nice car though.Two shots and one JOOSE. This photo was taken at my friend's house before a UFC. This was about 2 years ago. That was my previous car.
Do you often pose on other peoples driveways next to their cars?Lol.... That was my car. Gave it to my younger brother. I have a red challenger now.
Is he done yet?Can someone please show, demonstrate and explain to Chaos how to count to sixty please :-[ :-\ :-\
your mom says he isWell that was quick. :D
Lol.... That was my car. Gave it to my younger brother. I have a red challenger now.
Nice brotherEasy to be when mom and daddy buy it for you. ;)
I have been in decent shape a few times in my life. At 20, (and on pro-hormones) I got to 185 at around 8%. Not bad for a natural ectomorph. A couple of years ago, I was a sloppy 235 (I'm a more solid 235 now). I lost 60 pounds, and went down to 175 at 10%. Of course I had help from USP labs JACKED and Oxy Elite Pro. I can remember running around like a meth head :D
As for people that say I am not interested in bodybuilding: I used to be interested in the 90's and early 2000 pros (Coleman, Yates, Levrone, Wheeler, Ray, Jackson, Cormier etc....) Now? Not so much. I still keep up with who wins the contests (with the help of Getbig) and can name as many pros as most on here.
I am not gay, and I am not a schmoe. I have been here for almost 10 years, because it is an awesome site. I will get back into shape real soon. You can count on that. It's a hard life for a natural ;)
Still no pictures and shizzo spam? Dude, you know I love you but this thread fucking sucks.
Hey guys,Yes, this blows me up and dries me out big time. Everyone is different so results may vary.
I was wondering how do u guys fill up and peak after beint depleted from this diet.
I've been using gal/noones diet (pretty close, fell off the wagon few times cause i have been pratically dieting for a year, experimenting with various diets) and i plan to peak for a photoshoot which is like 1 week away, just had my cheat meal yesterday and i plan to fast for 36hrs or more before my next meal to put myself into a depleted state and hopefully lose a little bit more fat before the shoot. I reckon im below 6% right now.
Ops i got carried away, anyhow,nhow do i look my best? Previously i did a 2 day shit loading for a test run, used 1 1/2 diazide 24 hrs before. Looked pretty good but somehow i feel i can be much fuller. Any tips bros?
11 000 calories a week
1 hour of cardio
1 hour in the gym for weights
2 liters of diet pop and we are grooving.
In your case because you are fasting during this time you have to take the salt with water.
Isnt 1h of cardio overkill and a muscle eater? What kind of cardio are you doing?OK, I will address this, nothing is a muscle eater, this is a misconception. Muscle is hard to lose while you are on AAS, now cardio is the opposite of a pump.
Wouldnt that just make you sick or shit yourself?NO OFFENCE OR DESRESPECT INTENDED, but.............. but.............. but.................
http://www.yogitrition.com/salt-water-flush-for-colon-cleansing/
very well said oth,very nice youre a genius within a rough appearing guy :DJust saw that in the other thread, I am a hair away, arms shoulder look like that but I do not have the big cable striations on my upper chest that you show here, so close. I am off the diet though for now, I am still as lean but I am holding off till next wednesday or thursday so then I can go full out for the last 16-17 day stretch. here is the plan.
are you already here leanness wise?
:D
OK, I will address this, nothing is a muscle eater, this is a misconception. Muscle is hard to lose while you are on AAS, now cardio is the opposite of a pump.
You know you do bench presses and your chest inflates, well cardio makes your muscles deflate, so this is the reason why people think cardio makes you lose muscle because after a cardio session you look deflated and flat.
Now to much cardio can get in the way of your training and to high of intensity cardio can make you lose muscle in your legs but we are talking a hard run for an hour or something that fatigues the leg muscles for the entire duration.
When I do cardio, I do elliptical or a light jog
Now, having said that I no longer do cardio because I was simply way ahead of schedule and I work 50-60 hour weeks.
Long distance, low intensity cardio is to blame for "killing your muscle". There is a reason that cross country runners have low muscle mass and football players have muscles on their muscles. Think of your cardio as how many times you can elevate your heart rate, instead of how long you can keep your heart rate up.
It takes a higher percentage of your muscle fibers to contract and work at higher intensities. At lower intensities, your muscles won't fully contract. If you want your muscles to grow and burn calories at the same time, you need to activate your anaerobic and aerobic systems at the same time.
Try training with heart rate intervals. Do a bout of cardio at full intensity until your heart rate gets up to 85-90% of your maximum heart rate (max heart rate is 220 minus your age). Soon after your heart rate reaches it's goal, take a rest, or significantly lower the intensity until you heart rate reaches 60% of your max heart rate. Repeat at least 8 times.
Here's an example of an interval workout I did recently on an elliptical using my heart rate monitor to determine my interval length.
Short and intense bursts also burn more calories throughout the day called Excessive Post-Exercise Oxygen Consumption (EPOC). The same is true for your resistance training.
NO OFFENCE OR DESRESPECT INTENDED, but.............. but.............. but.................
THERE YOU GO AGAIN BEING A BIG FAT PUSSY :-[
What part do you have trouble understanding, there is a balance and on one side it is full of results and achievement and pride and on the other side it is discomfort, pain, agony, etc etc, STOP FOCUSING ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE BALANCE FOR FUCK SAKES.
We do what it takes to achieve what we envision, the feelings are disregarded so we can achieve our self fulfillment and hardship and the gratitude of it all is self integrity and a proud sense of accomplishment. This is worth a million times it's weight in gold and it is the only way I know how to live.
What do you think about the text bellow?interesting read and ya I would agree with that post for the ones not using juice, but for us juice head, it is not an issue and if muscle is lost, we are talking a marginal amount, certainly nothing worth worrying over, in the case of a natural, these are a whole different set of rules.
Its not about being a pussy, drinking 4-6 tablespoons of salt will make you sick, so whats the fucking point?well fucken duh,
Really, if hes meant to get the water down then swallowing it with all that salt will just make him throw it up again.
interesting read and ya I would agree with that post for the ones not using juice, but for us juice head, it is not an issue and if muscle is lost, we are talking a larginal amount, certainly nothing worth worrying over, in the case of a natural, these are a whole different set of rules.
as for this
Here's an example of an interval workout I did recently on an elliptical using my heart rate monitor to determine my interval length.
Short and intense bursts also burn more calories throughout the day called Excessive Post-Exercise Oxygen Consumption (EPOC). The same is true for your resistance training.
I like this approach, very beneficial in more then one way.
let me reply to that, 7-8% is easy done without ever doing a minute cardio, once there.
just have to have somewhat cean diet.must be entirey clean for that level, or youll become more shredded ;D
man, oth , overall this sounds like great idea ,and the mental break from the diet is good thing, for new and final onset-assault on the last bit water.we will see. I asked 2 of my ifbb pro friends how much tren they take. They both gave me the same response,
drop the test, true, drop the androl def true,lol.
now the tren i wouldnt increase, id increase the masteron instead, and brother, very wise choice on the arimidex ;) :D
if i may sugest anything, dont do the duiretic at all, and if, some very mild which takes a week to piss out the water.
and yeah id def go hard hard on the winstrol, haha, something like 100mg daily ;D ;D
cool!
If someone is juicing hard and doesnt want to go bellow say 8-7%BF, do you think he should do any cardio at all?
That's what I did when I was trenning my face off. the drugs did all the work. didn't do cardio for a year, ate clean but not insane... 8.5% every day. I had no interest in being super-lean
now that I'm on less potent shit it's back to reality...limited carbs, fucking cardio....ugh.
That's what I did when I was trenning my face off. the drugs did all the work. didn't do cardio for a year, ate clean but not insane... 8.5% every day. I had no interest in being super-lean
now that I'm on less potent shit it's back to reality...limited carbs, fucking cardio....ugh.
Just saw that in the other thread, I am a hair away, arms shoulder look like that but I do not have the big cable striations on my upper chest that you show here, so close. I am off the diet though for now, I am still as lean but I am holding off till next wednesday or thursday so then I can go full out for the last 16-17 day stretch. here is the plan.
Drop all test, drop the anadrol, drop the var, double up the tren, hard winstrol, masteron, and will incorporate 10 days of arimadex at 1mg per day.
Now this is how you get bone fucken dry, the only problem with the above is that it is near impossible to keep your urine clear, 12 liters of water per day and you still piss yellow, that is how effective that combo is for dryness.
I actually think that a diuretic might not be necessary.
well fucken duh,would you advise upping potassium as well?
you are not suppose to take it all at once bone head.
24-36 hours, half a table spoon at a time.
NO OFFENCE OR DESRESPECT INTENDED, but.............. but.............. but.................
THERE YOU GO AGAIN BEING A BIG FAT PUSSY :-[
What part do you have trouble understanding, there is a balance and on one side it is full of results and achievement and pride and on the other side it is discomfort, pain, agony, etc etc, STOP FOCUSING ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE BALANCE FOR FUCK SAKES.
We do what it takes to achieve what we envision, the feelings are disregarded so we can achieve our self fulfillment and hardship and the gratitude of it all is self integrity and a proud sense of accomplishment. This is worth a million times it's weight in gold and it is the only way I know how to live.
Oh my God!
Everytime I come back here it gets worse.
A 56 pages thread on... on what in fact? A frustrated lunatic crying for the attention from the 16 years olds by faking a bodybuilding preparation without even using hgh. What's the point of this? If you still live in the eighties and don't have the money to afford some pharm hgh, and on top of that struggle to get to a miserable 200 lbs, don't try to call yourself a bodybuilder and certainly don't try to gather "fans". It's just ridiculous! Onetimehard the internet warrior. I thought Mustafa Ismail was the biggest joke on the net, but I have to reconsider that.
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I just have to address this in its entirety.my glutes are ten times the rippedness you see in that photo, I will try and dig up another.
Its not being a pussy to do things sensibly as long as you achieve the same goals, its not about almost killing yourself to get ripped glutes, I got ripped glutes with a ten week diet, in fact it was a 50 day diet, I had weekends off, so technically it was quicker than you and it was a fucking breeze.
I hope when you post your pics this time your glutes are more ripped than your last photo.
(http://s12.postimg.org/cad2ogf71/777777.jpg)
Oh my God!Funny thing is I am not the one hiding my identity like you so I find this bizarre that you call me internet warrior, while I am walking publicaly and showing my face in public place with my name on it, no hidden nothing, no internet warrior, I am a warrior in real life, want to find out, come up to me at the expos, come up to me at the pro shows, you have my face, you have my identity, in fact I see BLP every show.
Everytime I come back here it gets worse.
A 56 pages thread on... on what in fact? A frustrated lunatic crying for the attention from the 16 years olds by faking a bodybuilding preparation without even using hgh. What's the point of this? If you still live in the eighties and don't have the money to afford some pharm hgh, and on top of that struggle to get to a miserable 200 lbs, don't try to call yourself a bodybuilder and certainly don't try to gather "fans". It's just ridiculous! Onetimehard the internet warrior. I thought Mustafa Ismail was the biggest joke on the net, but I have to reconsider that.
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Im not flexing mine either. ::)Are you so stupid, You know bodybuilding bro, anyone can tell I am not flexing, only a fucken retard would think I am flexing there, you can not tell the difference between a flexed muscle or a an flexed muscle.
Moved your trunks to one side to expose the glute and dont flex it?
Yeah, that sounds about right.
Dont forget to dig up the photo. ;)
Are you so stupid, You know bodybuilding bro, anyone can tell I am not flexing, only a fucken retard would think I am flexing there, you can not tell the difference between a flexed muscle or a an flexed muscle.Yet it's the only one you have ever posted telling everyone you were 3% BF.
Yes while in that pose maybe 5 pics were taken, that just happens to be one that was taken before I flexed my glutes.
you should do a masters show groink
you would smash that shit up bro
Yet it's the only one you have ever posted telling everyone you were 3% BF.That is 3%, legit 3%. I only have one front shot in a picture here, I will try and post that but I am way leaner then you, the back shot will not demonstrate this, the front shot will though but I am hesitant to post it cause I look like I have a big head from the angle of the photo and to top it off I am making a fucken stupid duck face (not intentionally)
It sure dont look 3% to me, someone said I was 6 or 7 in mine.
I really hope you can find one of the other 4 ;)
Hahahaha, make my day!
Every guy posting pics of his bare ass on a forum like this has to be a retard.
Who's supposed to be scared of a 5'8 180lb manlet? I eat three of you everyday for breakfast ;-)
that was 7 years ago bro, I am a lot bigger then that, weight means very little, I have 30 inch thighs, that is the size of 250lb bodybuilders, yet this pic I am only 215
Hahahaha, make my day!
Every guy posting pics of his bare ass on a forum like this has to be a retard.
Who's supposed to be scared of a 5'8 180lb manlet? I eat three of you everyday for breakfast ;-)
Yet it's the only one you have ever posted telling everyone you were 3% BF.let's break it down here. You see my striations in my delts, you see the deep line across my arm that goes from shoulder to elbow. You have no striations in your shoulder, you do not have a deep arm line like mine. How about the separation between your delts and traps, then look at mine, these are clear signs of you not being as lean as me, certainly not 7%, you are maybe high 4 to low 5 but definitely not 3.
It sure dont look 3% to me, someone said I was 6 or 7 in mine.
I really hope you can find one of the other 4 ;)
That is 3%, legit 3%. I only have one front shot in a picture here, I will try and post that but I am way leaner then you, the back shot will not demonstrate this, the front shot will though but I am hesitant to post it cause I look like I have a big head from the angle of the photo and to top it off I am making a fucken stupid duck face (not intentionally)You don't look way leaner than me, the photos dont lie mate.
that was a very long time ago, lots has happen since then, I do not even have my trophy from the overall win, I lost it, think I threw it out.
let's break it down here. You see my striations in my delts, you see the deep line across my arm that goes from shoulder to elbow. You have no striations in your shoulder, you do not have a deep arm line like mine. How about the separation between your delts and traps, then look at mine, these are clear signs of you not being as lean as me, certainly not 7%, you are maybe high 4 to low 5 but definitely not 3.
let's break it down here. You see my striations in my delts, you see the deep line across my arm that goes from shoulder to elbow. You have no striations in your shoulder, you do not have a deep arm line like mine. How about the separation between your delts and traps, then look at mine, these are clear signs of you not being as lean as me, certainly not 7%, you are maybe high 4 to low 5 but definitely not 3.Look at the xmas tree in your lower back...wait there isnt one.
also.......LIGHTING.OTH photo taken with lighting that accentuates his back, the light flatters him.
UK's pics are professionally done, and show him in the best possible light. you have a backstage pic taken on the fly. you are leaner.
I did a skinfold test that day and it read 3, if you have trouble believing this then that just shows that you know nothing about a physique, what the fuck do they teach you at the gh15 scam website. Certainly not bodybuilding. How can a skin fold test conclude this and you not be aware of it. Is this not proof that you do not know shit.
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Stop it! I start feeling sorry for you! Omg what a retard!
Kohl, if hes 3% in that photo, what am I?
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Stop it! I start feeling sorry for you! Omg what a retard!
Look at the xmas tree in your lower back...wait there isnt one.That shot was not meant to pull out the Xmas tree, another retarded comment showing how much you do not know about the human physique. Bro this is not rocket science, I am not claiming to look better, I am not claiming anything but the truth and that is you are not as lean as me in that pic, post the front shot and I will find a way to post this pic I have from the front that will show you how much more ripped I am then you
Its ripped glutes we are talking about OTH and at the moment you are losing the battle.
In fact, I swear to God gh15 exacts word were, this is a quality physique fellas and yes legit 3%, from you own MASTERS mouth, your pathetic master even backed me up on this one years ago when I posted the pic, so much for you giving him credit, by you claiming this is not 3, you are claiming gh15 is full of shit.Pssst..he may have been blowing smoke up your arse so you bought his gear, just a thought.
You don't look way leaner than me, the photos dont lie mate.I have been living on that pic for years? oh the irony.
The back shot doesn't demonstrate your condition because you are not that conditioned from the back, granted you may look better from the front but so does this guy
(http://s15.postimg.org/nv6ca6dh7/ripped.jpg)
See the difference?
Shame you cant show your ripped glutes bearing in mind you have been living on that picture for years.
That shot was not meant to pull out the Xmas tree, another retarded comment showing how much you do not know about the human physique. Bro this is not rocket science, I am not claiming to look better, I am not claiming anything but the truth and that is you are not as lean as me in that pic, post the front shot and I will find a way to post this pic I have from the front that will show you how much more ripped I am then you(http://s24.postimg.org/zbj6lbt1h/Untitled.jpg)
I have been living on that pic for years? oh the irony.That was me at my best and it beats you at your best.
you have been living on your pic for 20 fucken years, fuck are you stupid?
Pssst..he may have been blowing smoke up your arse so you bought his gear, just a thought.??? ??? ???
??? ??? ???
ROTFLMAO
you are a fucken imbecile, I have sites that send me 10 bottle of juice for free.
lmao, I get pm`s, what do you need bro, give me an address, I will shoot 500 anavar tabs for free.
lol, in your face loser.
That was me at my best and it beats you at your best.we are not talking who beats who, we are talking who is leaner, and the front shot, OMG, bro I post this front shot and I swear you will look fat in comparison.
Thats the fact of the matter.
we are not talking who beats who, we are talking who is leaner, and the front shot, OMG, bro I post this front shot and I swear you will look fat in comparison.still waiting...............
Stop stalling and find your photo.I have the photo in my hand, it is in picture form. I can not just magically put inside my computer now can I
jeez
I have the photo in my hand, it is in picture form. I can not just magically put inside my computer now can ITake your other hand off your cock, Scan away, and upload it, people are waiting.
(http://s24.postimg.org/zbj6lbt1h/Untitled.jpg)I honestly take that back bro. I told you that was 5%, like fuck that is 5, that is 6%, not even that lean, wow, you look good though
tick, tock,tick, tock........
I honestly take that back bro. I told you that was 5%, like fuck that is 5, that is 6%, not even that lean, wow, you look good thoughGlutes more ripped than yours though unless you have evidence otherwise.
how am I a gimmick if my name and face is out there you dumb fuck, no one can be that stupid.
You can't be serious?... Now I understand: you're a gimmick. Nobody can be that stupid.
Glutes more ripped than yours though unless you have evidence otherwise.bro you are not ripped in that front shot, that is smooth, very smooth, your shoulders have absolutely no definition.
I think he's jerking off on your pic!When you go that route you admit defeat, everyone knows that, come on now. thanks for playing ;)
(http://s24.postimg.org/zbj6lbt1h/Untitled.jpg)
tick, tock,tick, tock........
Jesus Christ what an abomination.
flat stringy soft looking muscle. not an awe inspiring or remarkable thing about it.
actually that's a lie. what's remarkable is how shitty your muscle looks.
ps nice barrel torso and stick arms/ legs there fuck. lol
bro you are not ripped in that front shot, that is smooth, very smooth, your shoulders have absolutely no definition.
Stop posting pics of your bare ass. Do you constantly feel the need to validate yourself on line?
so gay.
Beats your stage condition hands down mate, prove otherwise?
hard to bring out definiton in a body part that's not trained.
guy looks like he did plyrometrics for his workouts. I've never seen so little quality muscle on a body before.
Jesus Christ what an abomination.The funny thing is he thinks he is ripped, far from it, he has love handles, zero separation between tris and delts, in fact his delt have not one single groove or line or nothing, just a lump of nothing, almost looks like synthol shoulder but without the size
flat stringy soft looking muscle. not an awe inspiring or remarkable thing about it.
actually that's a lie. what's remarkable is how shitty your muscle looks.
ps nice barrel torso and stick arms/ legs there fuck. lol
I crush you in real life. so does OTH. so does Sev. lolMy stage best beats your stage best.
answer the phone jeff. it's reality calling. you look like shit today. and a leaner version of shit 20 years ago.
congrats I guess.
Stop posting pics of your bare ass. Do you constantly feel the need to validate yourself on line?
so gay.
The funny thing is he thinks he is ripped, far from it, he has love handles, zero separation between tris and delts, in fact his delt have not one single groove or line or nothing, just a lump of nothing, almost looks like synthol shoulder but without the size
What do you think about the text bellow?
I honestly take that back bro. I told you that was 5%, like fuck that is 5, that is 6%, not even that lean, wow, you look good though
The funny thing is he thinks he is ripped, far from it, he has love handles, zero separation between tris and delts, in fact his delt have not one single groove or line or nothing, just a lump of nothing, almost looks like synthol shoulder but without the size
(http://s11.postimg.org/tcx0hn8k3/qwa.jpg)
Theres my front and back shots
Lets see yours.
The rescue party is here, you could divert attention away from OTH lack of condition by posting your show photo.lack of conditioning at 3%, I do not see you being under 6% bro, you are smooth and if you think you are not then you are delusional. I have every body skin fold the same as my eye lid, everywhere, not one smooth part, when I show the front shot you will see what ripped is. No smooth body part that means you diet until the last stubborn body part is as ripped as your most ripped body bart and that is what I have achieved in this front shot
My stage best beats your stage best.
It is a bodybuilding forum isnt it?
Or is it a bathroom mirror forum.
By the way I dont oil up in the mens changing rooms for my supposedly casual photos. ::)
lack of conditioning at 3%, I do not see you being under 6% bro, you are smooth and if you think you are not then you are delusional. I have every body skin fold the same as my eye lid, everywhere, not one smooth part, when I show the front shot you will see what ripped is. No smooth body part that means you diet until the last stubborn body part is as ripped as your most ripped body bart and that is what I have achieved in this front shotStop keep saying 3% its fucking laughable.
My stage best beats your stage best.I am not a judge and I do not care to claim who beats who, let getbig decide who is better on stage.
It is a bodybuilding forum isnt it?
Or is it a bathroom mirror forum.
By the way I dont oil up in the mens changing rooms for my supposedly casual photos. ::)
When a guy starts saying that he's 3%, you shouldn't even look at his pics but just leave the discussion because it's clear he's a retard.Are you calling gh15 a bullshitter then?
it's called today jeff. you look like shit today. and you looked like shit 20 years ago with your flabby muscle and physique that doesn't exactly inspire thoughts of power. and for the record I think at 240 pounds my torso is narrower than yours. lol so much for your 'structure'. ya structure like a cement truck.
the only difference between the way you look now and the way you looked then is that you dieted harder to look less shitty 20 years ago.
I like your face in the middle pic. Real intelligent expression. Now I believe that you were 3%: you actually got rid of the fat in your brain to go down to 3%!
(http://s11.postimg.org/tcx0hn8k3/qwa.jpg)its a thong ;D
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this is ukjeff? if so... question... how come both shots are not full nude?
So you keep sayingOMG bro, like comparing Genova to an ifbb pro.
(http://s21.postimg.org/kcyxlvnhj/copppp.jpg)
Thats me 30 days into a diet unpumped taken on a PC
Thats you fully pumped shaved and oiled (wtf) in a gym changing room mirror.
You aint all that mate.
I am not a judge and I do not care to claim who beats who, let getbig decide who is better on stage.
I swear on my sons life he said that and he said it dead seriously, his words was indeed that this is what 3% looks like, of course he called me a twink as well but he did say 3 % so in your fucken face you fucken retard. You claim other wise you go against your master.
If he said that, he clearly was bullshitting you. We all now gh15 is a funny guy.
it was figuratively speaking you ding dong and that comparison was not of me it was no one who has a kick ass physique that puts ukbeth to utter shame
AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Now he's comparing himself to an IFBB Pro!!!!!! How delusional can one be?
I swear on my sons life he said that and he said it dead seriously, his words was indeed that this is what 3% looks like, of course he called me a twink as well but he did say 3 % so in your fucken face you fucken retard. You claim other wise you go against your master.
not only is OTH leaner look at the difference in the TISSUE. am I the only one here that see this ffs? lol
OTH has that dense fiberous tissue that looks like it was built thru long fucking sessions of pounding iron. that's the look it gives. when you see a guy with dense tissue like that he's moved some iron in his day. it 'looks' like OTH is a powerful compact dude. no two ways about it. that's the look of a guy who trains hard.
now look at ukbeths 'physique' for lack of a better word. he looks fucking WEAK. not only is he not leaner, his muscle is so flat and unimpressive it can't even push against his skin causing his skin to look not tight. see how 'loose' his skin looks? that's also why he looks softer by a mile than OTH.
HANDS DOWN no comparison between these two. it's laughable the simp from 20 years thinks he's even in the ballpark. OTH would wipe the floor with Beth if both these physiques showed up.
all you have going for you Beth is your symmetry and god have you that you didn't have to do a thing for it, or anything with it.
not only is OTH leaner look at the difference in the TISSUE. am I the only one here that see this ffs? lolSpoken like someone who knows the iron game well and the physique world who has experience. No one is spot on here.
OTH has that dense fiberous tissue that looks like it was built thru long fucking sessions of pounding iron. that's the look it gives. when you see a guy with dense tissue like that he's moved some iron in his day. it 'looks' like OTH is a powerful compact dude. no two ways about it. that's the look of a guy who trains hard.
now look at ukbeths 'physique' for lack of a better word. he looks fucking WEAK. not only is he not leaner, his muscle is so flat and unimpressive it can't even push against his skin causing his skin to look not tight. see how 'loose' his skin looks? that's also why he looks softer by a mile than OTH.
HANDS DOWN no comparison between these two. it's laughable the simp from 20 years thinks he's even in the ballpark. OTH would wipe the floor with Beth if both these physiques showed up.
all you have going for you Beth is your symmetry and god have you that you didn't have to do a thing for it, or anything with it except add unimpressive soft looking tissue. wow- you look great bro!!! hahahaha :D
Spoken like someone who knows the iron game well and the physique world who has experience. No one is spot on here."No one" knows fuck all, his daft angular un-symmetrical physique just wont cut it, thats why he never poses in pics you know. ;)
Dead seriously???you missed the point, going against his master gh15 will cause him to get a spanking when he gets home, so he either acknowledges his masters knowledge by admitting that I am 3% body fat in that pic like his master already did or he admits his master gh15 does not know what he is talking about.
It was on a forum. ;D
FFS wake up mate.
you missed the point, going against his master gh15 will cause him to get a spanking when he gets home, so he either acknowledges his masters knowledge by admitting that I am 3% body fat in that pic like his master already did or he admits his master gh15 does not know what he is talking about.no you are not, you dont even have ripped glutes.
"No one" knows fuck all, his daft angular un-symmetrical physique just wont cut it, thats why he never poses in pics you know. ;)From what I have seen, is his granite hardness would wipe the floor with your watery looking muscle, no one is not only way bigger and leaner then you but he is kind of grainy looking too, the type of skin texture that the judges reward in spades (no homo)
On stage is long arms and legs and blocky torso would look ridiculous, thats why he wont post his show photos.
Have you seen them OTH?
But if you want improved heart function and fat loss then a mix is great.
"No one" knows fuck all, his daft angular un-symmetrical physique just wont cut it, thats why he never poses in pics you know. ;)
On stage is long arms and legs and blocky torso would look ridiculous, thats why he wont post his show photos.
Have you seen them OTH?
no you are not, you dont even have ripped glutes.I do not have a scanner, so I have to do it another way when I have time, it is not like the pic is going anywhere, it is right here in my hand, stay tune.
You are sinking fast mate, get that pic uploaded quick.
From what I have seen, is his granite hardness would wipe the floor with your watery looking muscle, no one is not only way bigger and leaner then you but he is kind of grainy looking too, the type of skin texture that the judges reward in spades (no homo)So you have seen his onstage photos then or are you just going off his bathroom shots?
wah wah 'stage' wah wah 'posing'
lol how about I not even devalue myself by allowing comparisons to you even be made? your not in my league sparky. not in a million years.
after the way you've gotten pushed around the floor in this thread you'd do well to come back in your next life as a mop. you already have the arms and legs for it. :D
I do not have a scanner, so I have to do it another way when I have time, it is not like the pic is going anywhere, it is right here in my hand, stay tune.bump answer the question
Ok now I do not understand why you do not believe that is 3%, I used the calipers that day, so tell me, is it that you do not believe that I used the calipers or is it that you do not believe in calipers cause if you are calling me a liar, go fuck yourself for good as I do not lie and that is the greatest of insults.
So which one is it? I am lying?
I do not have a scanner, so I have to do it another way when I have time, it is not like the pic is going anywhere, it is right here in my hand, stay tune.No not lying, just wrong.
Ok now I do not understand why you do not believe that is 3%, I used the calipers that day, so tell me, is it that you do not believe that I used the calipers or is it that you do not believe in calipers cause if you are calling me a liar, go fuck yourself for good as I do not lie and that is the greatest of insults.
So which one is it? I am lying?
Let him please put that pic in his 3% ripped ass!ask the entire population of getbig if I am making an ass of myself, sorry only ones making them selves look bad is you 2 knuckle heads.
I suggest he quits making an ass of himself here and, now that everybody knows his face, take another identity. I suggest he calls himself Chelsea from now on.
wah wah 'stage' wah wah 'posing'
lol how about I not even devalue myself by allowing comparisons to you even be made? your not in my league sparky. not in a million years.
after the way you've gotten pushed around the floor in this thread you'd do well to come back in your next life as a mop. you already have the arms and legs for it. :D
ask the entire population of getbig if I am making an ass of myself, sorry only ones making them selves look bad is you 2 knuckle heads.
I do not look like an idiot, how can I. i am honest, i am a hard worker, i am a family man, I pay taxes, i enjoy life. how can I look stupid?
Spoken like someone who knows the iron game well and the physique world who has experience. No one is spot on here.
No not lying, just wrong.OK if I am not lying and the measurements showed 3% then how am I wrong, please explain, the goddam thing said 3% FFS, had it said 4 then I would have been saying four, had it said 5 then I would been saying 5 but the fucken thing came up to 3 so how am I wrong?, enlighten me.
Your glutes are not ripped so you cannot possibly be 3%.
bro I I hate ukjeff in fact I think he's pretty much a worthless human being. but that being said if it were even close I'd say ya, you know what. they both are too close to call. cause I gotta give credit where credit is due. it's part of showing humility and honesty.hahah thanks, UKBETH is the second coming of genova
but there is NO FUCKING WAY anyone can even behind to compare your two physiques. just based on the quality alone. like it's night and day. not comparable or comprehensible to even consider doing so.
you look at your pics and think fuck this guy looks like he can move a house. that some dense tissue right there. you lol at Beth and wonder if he used Richard Simmons as his prep guy. :D
OK if I am not lying and the measurements showed 3% then how am I wrong, please explain, the goddam thing said 3% FFS, had it said 4 then I would have been saying four, had it said 5 then I would been saying 5 but the fucken thing came up to 3 so how am I wrong?, enlighten me.
"But i have never had ripped glutes"are you blind, that pic shows my striation in the glutes, in fact striation when I am not even contracting the glutes, that is beyond ripped glutes.
That says a lot about this board. In fact, it says everything.
bro I I hate ukjeff in fact I think he's pretty much a worthless human being. but that being said if it were even close I'd say ya, you know what. they both are too close to call. cause I gotta give credit where credit is due. it's part of showing humility and honesty.Remember when you thought the guy on the left was as far in front of you as you were in front of me?
but there is NO FUCKING WAY anyone can even behind to compare your two physiques. just based on the quality alone. like it's night and day. not comparable or comprehensible to even consider doing so.
you look at your pics and think fuck this guy looks like he can move a house. that some dense tissue right there. you lol at Beth and wonder if he used Richard Simmons as his prep guy. :D
are you blind, that pic shows my striation in the glutes, in fact striation when I am not even contracting the glutes, that is beyond ripped glutes.Fuck off mate you are flexing , who are you trying to kid, they are still not as ripped as mine in my photo though and Im 6% according to you. ::)
Look mate, you can wave your arms and protest all you like , until you show this forum your ripped glutes its not 3%answer the question, that pic shows ripped glutes ask anyone here and let one person say that it is not ripped glutes, you won`t find anyone except for kohl who agrees with you and you also will not find anyone who agrees that you are on my level either yet you are the one who claimed to be better, i would never claim to be better then someone below me like you cause it is not courteous to do so but since you made the claim, let`ask around, i will give you a grand if you find 5 people who will vote for you before I hit 30 votes.
Are you saying you can be 3% without ripped glutes?
Whoooowwww! An authority is coming in! Sounds like you have a personal problem with somebody. What did he do to you? Humiliate you? I'm so sorry for you!
answer the question, that pic shows ripped glutes ask anyone here and let one person say that it is not ripped glutes, you won`t find anyone except for kohl who agrees with you and you also will not find anyone who agrees that you are on my level either yet you are the one who claimed to be better, i would never claim to be better then someone below me like you cause it is not courteous to do so but since you made the claim, let`ask around, i will give you a grand if you find 5 people who will vote for you before I hit 30 votes.
How sad. Did you get traumatized? Did you find professional help?
(what does "picless" mean?)
Wasn't this supposed to be a training/diet log for OTH? WTF happened? The last 10 pages has been a pissing match.well you know how it goes, every now and then the fucken goof bitch boy ukbethh gets out of line and we have to put him in his place like the little bitch that he is. So a 50 year old acting a fool with delusion of a grand scale, fuck me is he ever a glutton for punishment.
well you know how it goes, every now and then the fucken goof bitch boy ukbethh gets out of line and we have to put him in his place like the little bitch that he is. So a 50 year old acting a fool with delusion of a grand scale, fuck me is he ever a glutton for punishment.
He is a low life scum who has nothing better to do then troll on the net like a fucken loser, then entire getbig pm`s each other behind his back mocking him and discussing what a fucken life scum of a human he is and he does not even know this.
He is unaware that he is laughing stock and he gets mocked and made fun of, he comes around, like `hey guys, what are you guys up to today`and the crowd before he gets there is like ``oh no, here comes the miserable fucken retard bitch``. Just reeks of pure miserable and negativity.
, then entire getbig pm`s each other behind his back mocking him and discussing what a fucken life scum of a human he is and he does not even know this.Now that is the most pathetic thing I have ever read on this forum and that is really saying something.
No bigmc single handily took out gh15, in fact i think the gh15 and bigmc saga was the biggest owning ever in the history of getbig cause gh15 got slaughtered so much by the relentless bigmc that he brought along 20 keyboard warriors to come at bigmc but they were no match.
How sad. Did you get traumatized? Did you find professional help?
(what does "picless" mean?)
I don't want to be recognized. OTH would feel silly when he goes to he "expo's" and looks me in the eyes. And serious people in the business would look bad at me if they knew that I was playing with schoolboys. I was just bored tonight, my wife is having her period!
OTH photo taken with lighting that accentuates his back, the light flatters him.
Bit like a bathroom mirror shot.
Lets see his photo onstage with the other guys.
I don't want to be recognized. OTH would feel silly when he goes to he "expo's" and looks me in the eyes. And serious people in the business would look bad at me if they knew that I was playing with schoolboys. I was just bored tonight, my wife is having her period!You wouldn`t have the balls to approach me at the expos or at any bodybuilding show. No fucken way, my word you wouldn`t, you would fucken piss yourself.
Oh shut up you whiny shit. It was taken backstage retard. I didn't know they made special "back enhancing" lightbulbs in auditoriums
Your pic professionally done, lighting was specifically set up to enhance your physique
Jesus you will argue anything.
You wouldn`t have the balls to approach me at the expos or at any bodybuilding show. No fucken way, my word you wouldn`t, you would fucken piss yourself.
I would show you what a real man is made of, one who does not hide behind the keyboard, one that tells everyone in the world, here is my pic, here my name, want my address too and also tells them to go fuck themselves and baggs them to come get some.
that is what a real man is, not a fcuken pathetic loser like you who is to scared to show his pic, to scared to show his identity, one that says- I can not talk shit to anyone cause they know my face.
well here is my face and you are all bunch of goofs who can not fight or do shit in real, if you can then come.
At a closer look: something's very wrong with this pic. Nobody else sees it?
He stood in the right light, its what bathroom mirror boys do. ::)
Yeah...bathroom mirror boy...backstage at a competition he WON. ::)Yep, nobody has seen the line up though have they?
I see you're going to be one of those now....eh? You know, the dickheads Who just say dumb shit that isn't remotely true.
and I pissed myself laughing with another scared to post pic keyboard warrior, what are you scared of, what?
Piss myself... from laughing! ;D ;D ;D
I did think he was nude and the trunks were painted on but I wasn't sure.painted on ???????? rotflmao, oh shit, the BS that you come up with, wow.
Maybe thats why there are no other photos?
Yep, nobody has seen the line up though have they?
Not one photo of him onstage with his trophy alongside second and third?
Does that not seem a little strange?
painted on ???????? rotflmao, oh shit, the BS that you come up with, wow.(http://s24.postimg.org/b8sajrc91/hhhh.jpg)
I don't give one/millionth the fuck that you do. You are obsesseed with this bullshit and "winning" the argument to the point You're just acting like an 18 year old jerkoff... carry on.
Yep, nobody has seen the line up though have they?WTF, I am lying ???
Not one photo of him onstage with his trophy alongside second and third?
Does that not seem a little strange?
Nope, you allow the legend of OTH to go roll along, guys living on a chequered past.awwwe jealousy is a bitch, ain`t it ;)
WTF, I am lying ???I didnt say you were lying.
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I did not win the overall and did not take out 30 plus guys, are you fucken stupid, my name is out there you fucken retard,. anyone can verify this
UKbeth, remember our last feud, you called truth, not me, you were drained of moral and folded, this time around it`s round 2 bro and boy am I going to have a blast. ;D
Nope, you allow the legend of OTH to go roll along, guys living on a chequered past.
awwwe jealousy is a bitch, ain`t it ;)
I didnt say you were lying.I do not care for pics though, i have only a few, i do not care for trophies, i don`t even have them, i do not bodybuild for those reasons, it is not for memories, WTF do I care to look back at pic, I already accomplished what I did, the pics only serve one purpose and that is to show people, but you have pics in a photo album I bet and you probably polish your trophies every other day like a loser, but you probably do not have trophies do you. Kind of hard to place top 3 with a stringy looking physique
Why are there no photos?
You have one backstage photo with unflexed glutes of the best condition of your life winning an overall trophy???
Come on mate, that cant be right can it?
I do not care for pics though, i have only a few, i do not care for trophies, i don`t even have them, i do not bodybuild for those reasons, it is not for memories, WTF do I care to look back at pic, I already accomplished what I did, the pics only serve one purpose and that is to show people, but you have pics in a photo album I bet and you probably polish your trophies every other day like a loser, but you probably do not have trophies do you. Kind of hard to place top 3 with a stringy looking physique
You believe what you like if it comforts you.I swear to God you can`t you lying piece of shit.
I did manage to get ripped glutes.
Its the only thing you have missing from your life at the moment, I hope its worth it when you get them.
By the way, I could have them within three weeks at the drop of a hat without really trying. (and Im 48 years old FFS)
I swear to God you can`t you lying piece of shit.Just because you find it so difficult dont think others cant achieve it.
we are a board of gymrats, and the ones who train arent afraid to put up pics, nobody but cswol is going for a pro card, even though i believe oth can do it.OTH is a 5'9 light heavy, he will not get a pro card until he is pushing 225-230 onstage.
OTH is a 5'9 light heavy, he will not get a pro card until he is pushing 225-230 onstage.how am I maxed out you retard, never done slin, never done gh and never done over done doses that pros use
And that aint gonna happen in this lifetime.
The guy is maxed out now.
how am I maxed out you retard, never done slin, never done gh and never done over done doses that pros use
also 230, are you trolling or stupid. Three of my friends have already gotten pro cards here in Canada in the heavey weight division, which is max 220 and they are all taller then me.
But who said anything about a pro card anyway you POS
Gal said you might get one.well we will see at nationals next year where I stand, i wouldn`t know, I am not delusional, 2 tries and only 2 if i land top 3 the first time, if not forget about it. No point in wasting time.
You are going to be the same weight you were 4 years ago on 2grams a week.
You have hardly come on "leaps and bounds"
first of all, I am important around here cause I contribute and help others. Status does not make anyone important, it is how useful and helpful one can be.
OK, let's be serious.
I'll tell you what bothers me with this OTH guy. It's not even the fact that he's a pathetic attention whore with an audience of schoolboys. It's the fact that he dares to say that he's 3% BF (do you know who that is?) and even compare himself to an IFBB pro. He's playing the big bodybuilding authority over here, calling everybody "fucken retard", but never in his life has touched hgh and is scratching to make 200 lb?! That makes him nothing more then an ordinary gym rat! Nothing against gym rats, but usually gym rats don't talk down on other people or are so full of themselves.
This guy is so delusional and full of himself that he's just asking for serious bodybuilders to make fun of him. But he doesn't seem to understand that.
About the use of gh: it indeed takes an ordinary gymrat to A next level, which isn't even competition level! I talk about mild use, 4-6 IU ED, with no slin use (or only PWO). In today's bodybuilding that's just basic. Nobody will get a gut from doing that, it will just improve your physique. But OTH isn't even advanced to that stage.
It's only the stage after that (a stage he can only dream of) that "mutation" starts with the combination of gh in higer doses with slin in higher doses. THAT's where the guts start appearing. I don't encourage anybody to go that way, unless you have the genetics to make a living out of BB and to turn pro.
What I want to say is: gh use today is very basic. It's not the privilege of pro competitors. If you're still struck in the first aas phase (like ITH), be humble and don't try to draw attention in a negative way.
What a shame this thread turned out to be. I dont know whos worse. Ukjeff for shitty trolling, or the guys that keep biting for 20 pages.you think it is biting but the truth is I have never had so much fun. This shit is awesome, at the end, ukjeff can claim troll all he wants but he really does want to be approved here, he posts his pics more the anyone here and ya I do to but i least I can admit to liking the approval
first of all, I am important around here cause I contribute and help others. Status does not make anyone important, it is how useful and helpful one can be.
I have prepped people for stage hundreds of time, as for calling people retard, everyone knows that I only call certain people retards, 1 the gh15 crew and 2. ukjeff, jeff and i go long back. So you coming in on this seeing me say that to jeff is a false perception as jeff is not the norm, He deserves every word everyone here throws at him because he is a miserable fuck the desperately tries to bring negativity to everyone around him.
As far as everything else you say about me, what is your point, that is my business. What the fuck is it to you. This is thread you can ignore if it bothers you right?
BTW I know what gh does, that is why I have not use it cause I wanted to get as far as I thought possible on AAS before I used it. 20 inch arms and 30 inch thighs without gh is pretty good wouldn`t you say.
i did start gh this year but nothing serious. after this diet I will step it up.
Now how about that pic of your.
You are starting to sound more and more like an unhappy repressed homosexual who in order to escape his mundane married "straight life" desperately seeks approval from other muscled up guys online.
I wonder what 1MR has to say regarding your behaviour.
I like how ukjeff conveniently ignored this post of mine. Posting one more time. Maybe this time he'll wipe enough cumstains off his face to notice.Sorry in all the exitement I missed it.
jeffIt still is a great thread, it will be greater when OTH backs up his shit with a photo rather than misinterpretations of a set of calipers.
this was a great thread
it is in danger of turning into the bitter rants of a needy old man
do you have to act like this in every thread
we both know you can be reasonable if you want to be
there is trolling and there is ruining the board
you are turning into another shizzo
jeff
this was a great thread
it is in danger of turning into the bitter rants of a needy old man
do you have to act like this in every thread
we both know you can be reasonable if you want to be
there is trolling and there is ruining the board
you are turning into another shizzo
This is so brutal but so very true.You mean the easy ones everyone gangs up on?
I have grown fond of Jeff lately...I just wish he'd direct his insatiable appetite for trolling towards more deserving douchebags on here. Fucks sake...Onetimehard was the most worthy and deserving enemy ???
Gal said you might get one.sometimes grown men have other priorities in life than building muscle like family job etc. On some of the guys here it sounds like being shredded and have muscles its the most important thing in life, i feel sorry for those guys. And i mean grown men not 18 year olds
You are going to be the same weight you were 4 years ago on 2grams a week.
You have hardly come on "leaps and bounds"
You mean the easy ones everyone gangs up on?
Sorry, Im not like that, I like to take on the "alphas" with all their back up bum boys in tow, its much more fun.
As for me turning into shizzo, at least he stands alone against all the tag team bully boys.
Got to respect him for that.
Bigmc was in my corner for a while until he felt he was losing his place in the "gang" he had to then turn on me and rejoin the "click" shame really, we were getting on fine.
getting on fine?
How long will it be before you throw in the "you posted my kids picture" again?
A trumped up pile of shite that you still use when whe it suits you.
Its already been exposed as a load of nonsense.
Do try and not use it again.
Lying on a forum to curry favour with your friends is a little sad.lmao, you are still going at it, lololol, wow a 50 year miserable loser. How does it feel to have everyone here disagree with you and expose you a sad human being.
You got backed into a corner and the only way out for you was to lie.
Never mind, everyone knows now but here at getbig everyone overlooks the little clicks misdermeanors and foibles.
Its the reason OTH is getting away with his 3% bullshit and has been for years.
This is getbig, where you either fit in or FO.
lmao, you are still going at it, lololol, wow a 50 year miserable loser. How does it feel to have everyone here disagree with you and expose you a sad human being.I dont post here to be agreed with, thats way too easy.
I don`t get it, for all the shit that comes out of your mouth, does it not occur to you since 1 and 30 people agree with you once in a blue moon that your brain is not functioning properly ???.
oh brotherbeth serves his purpose as the class clown, in reality he is hurt deep inside, type of guy that might commit suicide, he fits the characteristics perfectly
we are still getting on fine :-*
and I think you will find there is no one on this site that goes against the top dogs more than me
I just don't think in a thread like this it makes you look anything other than a needy attention whore
there are a thousand threads you can troll on and only a couple of gems like this with genuine info
and someone with a lot of knowledge and experience sharing it with the board
I dont post here to be agreed with, thats way too easy.I decided not to post it, what are you going to do about it? go to the corner and cry :'( :'( :'( :'(
Any sign of your photos yet?
Maybe you could post a picture of the calipers you used, some here will accept them as proof you were 3%
beth serves his purpose as the class clown, in reality he is hurt deep inside, type of guy that might commit suicide, he fits the characteristics perfectly
I decided not to post it, what are you going to do about it? go to the corner and cry :'( :'( :'( :'(LMAO indeed, you had a chance to show people your actual condition as opposed to your idiotic claim of 3% and now choose not to.
lmao ;)
LMAO indeed, you had a chance to show people your actual condition as opposed to your idiotic claim of 3% and now choose not to.no body cares, you are the only one. The rest of the field is interested in the results of dieting not your dumb observation of a pic.
Im happy to leave it there mate, well done.
Lying on a forum to curry favour with your friends is a little sad.
You got backed into a corner and the only way out for you was to lie.
Never mind, everyone knows now but here at getbig everyone overlooks the little clicks misdermeanors and foibles.
Its the reason OTH is getting away with his 3% bullshit and has been for years.
This is getbig, where you either fit in or FO.
jeffMy lord what an embarressment that thread was.
you scoured the internet for info on me
posted a pic of my kid
shat your pants in fear
then started a thread like a spoiled child saying how you were leaving cause bigger boys were picking on you
drag it up all you want it makes you look bad
all I was doing was protecting my family
now why don't you post a pic from 1996 and see if you can get a compliment or two to ease your hurt feelings :'(
no body cares, you are the only one. The rest of the field is interested in the results of dieting not your dumb observation of a pic.You are not leaner than me in those photos, all you have is a blurry back shot that looks like it has been photoshopped.
The reality is you are hurt because everyone told you that you were 6 to 7 % and in your mind only you think you are leaner and you are taking it out on me cause I am way leaner then you in that pic.
So I suggest you get over it bro, your dieting methods does not allow you to get shredded. Your best is lean but not shredded, you simple do not know how but I am not going to feel sorry for you.
jeffI looked on the web and found more idiotic comments on another forum by bigmc, you lied and said it wasnt you, I posted a pic, you claimed you hadnt posted the pic it had been done by a mod on the site and you couldnt take it down because you were banned, yet last week you logged on and removed it.
you scoured the internet for info on me
posted a pic of my kid
shat your pants in fear
then started a thread like a spoiled child saying how you were leaving cause bigger boys were picking on you
drag it up all you want it makes you look bad
all I was doing was protecting my family
now why don't you post a pic from 1996 and see if you can get a compliment or two to ease your hurt feelings :'(
You are not leaner than me in those photos, all you have is a blurry back shot that looks like it has been photoshopped.Ok you win, I am not leaner, even though every single person here has told you that I was.
If you do have another photo something tells me you have looked at it and thought "Im not that ripped after all, I had better not post it"
If Im 6 or 7 in that shot then you are 8 or 9 in yours.
You keep telling me I cant get ripped when you havent provided any evidence you can yet.
I looked on the web and found more idiotic comments on another forum by bigmc, you lied and said it wasnt you, I posted a pic, you claimed you hadnt posted the pic it had been done by a mod on the site and you couldnt take it down because you were banned, yet last week you logged on and removed it.
All very strange indeed.
not as strange as a 50 year old man having a nervous break down over who has the most ripped glutes on here:D
you creepy old schmoe
Ok you win, I am not leaner, even though every single person here has told you that I was.Fact is mate the photos show I had a better physique than you based on those photos and would have beaten you in that show.
You win, you have a better physique, even though every single person here has told you that you don`t.
Bro you are not a lean dude, face the facts. Who care about me, worry about yourself, the point is you have never been below 7%, get over it already.
Fact is mate the photos show I had a better physique than you based on those photos and would have beaten you in that show.We already solved the issue, everyone gave me the nod over you.
You just were not in shape, fact.
Lean but not ripped I think is the term.
We already solved the issue, everyone gave me the nod over you.
Let me explain something to you since it seems like you do not have a brain. When 2 people compare themselves, their own votes or opinion do not count, only the other observing have a say and sorry to break your heart here but everyone went with me.
So you can think what ever you want to think, by all means carry on.
oth is in a dif league to you jeffBro everyone keeps telling him that he is not in my league but he refuses to believe them. He is convinced that he looks better despite 50 people here that keep telling him other wise.
give the guys some props
you were on the right track with your contest against dj181
two needy twinks that need all the validation they can get on here
one an under nourished twig and one a 50 year old rampant homosexual with a naked twenty year old pic in his avatar
you are a clown my friend a tragic clown
Are you sure, I recall the thread being pretty quiet on the subject, care to show me a post where everyone gave you the nod saying your backstage relaxed glute shot trumped my contest photo shot?bigmc, no one, gal, chiroflex, the list is endless.
oth is in a dif league to you jeff
give the guys some props
you were on the right track with your contest against dj181
two needy twinks that need all the validation they can get on here
one an under nourished twig and one a 50 year old rampant homosexual with a naked twenty year old pic in his avatar
you are a clown my friend a tragic clown
Are you sure you want to label me as a twink, Im not the one who took his photo down after I blew you away.If I recall correctly bigmc dwarfed your ass.
Want me to post them both side by side, I still have them.
If I recall correctly bigmc dwarfed your ass.
Bro you must see Levrone when you look in the mirror, seriously you are a twink, ya maybe you weigh a lot for the size you display but seriously you have the lanky look, skinny type look, you have mini bi, mini tris, mini traps, all your body parts are just so skinny looking and you have no chest
Bigmc dwarfed me?Evidently you do not take what people think in a good light. every time you have tried this everyone tells you the truth and you melt like a little bitch.
Strange he took his pic down immediatly, I will post them both later, we can see what people think, although I do expect all his entourage to tell him how great he looks, shame he doesnt have the same confidence in himself.
unbelievable, you look awesome, the tris in the lower left pic is a nice shot, are you going further?
If I recall correctly bigmc dwarfed your ass.
Bro you must see Levrone when you look in the mirror, seriously you are a twink, ya maybe you weigh a lot for the size you display but seriously you have the lanky look, skinny type look, you have mini bi, mini tris, mini traps, all your body parts are just so skinny looking and you have no chest
Then because Im not kissing his ass.you do look awesome but that does not mean you do not look lanky and your body parts are mini.
Now, which one of those was a lie?
you do look awesome but that does not mean you do not look lanky and your body parts are mini.
so both are true. You look good but your body parts look small
Wow, a guy calling himself "important"!
It would be a sad thing if a guy who doesn't even understand that a caliper is only useful to measure progress and not to measure BF%, would "prep hunderds of people for stage".
But we all know that is not true, just like all your other ludicrous allegations. 200lb at 3%BF, 20 inch arms and 30 inch legs (as you say yourself: the legs of a 250lb bodybuilder)??? WTF? YOU'RE AT MOST 5% BF, YOUR ARMS ARE AT MOST 18 INCHES AND YOUR LEGS 27 INCHES! BE REAL!
I don't understand that someone can be so frustrated to create himself a new identity on a BB forum, spread such nonsense and even give it a face. Do you have a professional life? The fact that they're not picking on you from all sides only proves that this is not a real BB forum and that your thread is mostly read by children and beginners.
And now suddenly you're saying that you did start gh this year, but "nothing serious" (what's that supposed to mean?). If you change your underpants you're putting it on the net, but when you start gh (the most important ingredient in a BBers arsenal) you don't even mention it????
And about my pic: the moment I will start posting my pics on a forum like this will be the moment that I'm ready for the nuthouse, as you are.
Wow, a guy calling himself "important"!wow, am I really that important to you that you are so concerned about me. You do not have an identity attached to your name, you are a fat fuck, who can not bench 200lb, what you say about my physique makes you look bad since I have a better physique then you do.
It would be a sad thing if a guy who doesn't even understand that a caliper is only useful to measure progress and not to measure BF%, would "prep hunderds of people for stage".
But we all know that is not true, just like all your other ludicrous allegations. 200lb at 3%BF, 20 inch arms and 30 inch legs (as you say yourself: the legs of a 250lb bodybuilder)??? WTF? YOU'RE AT MOST 5% BF, YOUR ARMS ARE AT MOST 18 INCHES AND YOUR LEGS 27 INCHES! BE REAL!
I don't understand that someone can be so frustrated to create himself a new identity on a BB forum, spread such nonsense and even give it a face. Do you have a professional life? The fact that they're not picking on you from all sides only proves that this is not a real BB forum and that your thread is mostly read by children and beginners.
And now suddenly you're saying that you did start gh this year, but "nothing serious" (what's that supposed to mean?). If you change your underpants you're putting it on the net, but when you start gh (the most important ingredient in a BBers arsenal) you don't even mention it????
And about my pic: the moment I will start posting my pics on a forum like this will be the moment that I'm ready for the nuthouse, as you are.
After reading that post again kohl its finally dawned on me that maybe I do need to drop this forum and go and find a bodybuilding forum that would judge a photo based on the quality of the phsique rather than the individuals posting history.seriously, what is the problem, you are butthurt cause people told you the truth that you are 6-7 % in that pic. Why not just ignore them.
When I ask questions and Im nice (I do occasionally) people are complimentry, but when I troll they bash my photos.
It is a forum inhabited in the vast majority by guys who have no idea what a contest physique should look like.
Its an endless stream of bathroom mirror boys flashing ab shots.
I do notice that the likes of real bodybuilders like Bigro seldom post, hes above it, as I should be, I proved myself onstage back in the 90s, lets see how some of these guys turn out.
seriously, what is the problem, you are butthurt cause people told you the truth that you are 6-7 % in that pic. Why not just ignore them.
You started melting all over the place when you were told that you were not that lean.
We never told you that you had a shit physique, we just told you that you were not that lean.
I understand we struck a nerve but that is why maybe you should learn how to diet more effectively.
Says the man claiming 3% but cant show a picture showing himself in better condition than my 6 or 7.you do not want to see it the way it is, everyone told you I am leaner but you do not want to acknowledge anyone, so what is the point in going round in circles, drop it already.
Lol at your stupidity.
you do not want to see it the way it is, everyone told you I am leaner but you do not want to acknowledge anyone, so what is the point in going round in circles, drop it already.
You look good just not shredded, lean yes but not shredded
You need to go back and read the thread mate, people are still waiting for the photo you wont post.I post what I want when I want, i do not care who is waiting for any photo. Stop with the meltdowns and the crying for approval over here. We already established that you are not that lean, if that hurts then tough, maybe next time you won`t be such a pussy and dig deeper to shed those extra lb
Double ouch!
Now let's finally come to the essence of this thread.
A few years ago gh15, in a humourous mood, gave a candy to OTH confirming his illusion of being 3%BF. Although until today OTH can't stop telling everybody about it and without any doubt is masturbating on the very thought of it every night (when he turns off his pc and comes back to his miserable lonely life), he is very ungrateful and doesn't stop bashing gh15.
Why?
Because he is exactly what gh15 means by FILT: a miserable liar! I'm not even talking about the pathetic lies about unrealistic BF percentages and bodypart measurements. Everybody does so, so let him have his little pleasure.
No, I'm talking about HARMFUL lies. Lies spread by an intermediate bodybuilder (because that's what OTH is at most) to misguide beginners.
I was just setting a trap for this asshole, and as I expected he was stupid enough to step right into it, so now it's exposal time!
OTH is trying to tell beginners the big lie that it's easy to diet down to 3% BF (!!!!) in 60 days, only on aas. The only thing you need is diet and hard work.
The truth is: 1. without gh it will be impossible even to approach 4% BF; 2. dieting down without gh is extremely difficult and will lead to enormous losses in muscle mass, especially when done in a short time period.
So I just tickled him by saying that he was a low level bodybuilder who didn't even use gh, and oh yes, there came the big confession (I'm sure he's regretting it already): "I did start gh this year"
Did you all read that well? Mr. "Fucken Retard" has been putting his whole stack and diet regimen on the net, every day for two months, but "forgot" to mention that he's taking gh!!!!!!!
He's using the most important fat burner in bodybuilding, but "forgets" to mention it! Check it out: EVERYBODY here was under the impression he didn't use gh. But he does! And that makes his "preparation" completely different.
It's a difference of day and night between a preparation on aas alone (= suffering, very strict diet, flatten out and muscle loss) and on gh, even if it's "nothing special" (low dose)!
People like OTH should be BANNED from this forum, because by "forgetting" to mention this he is spreading harmful lies. Imagine all the newbies dieting down and getting frustrated because they can't get even close to 3% BF and are losing all of their muscle mass they have been working so hard for. So they will think it's a genetical thing and OTH is a genetically superior human being. Or is "using the right supplements" (maybe they PM him for that). MY ASS! A FILTHY LIAR HE IS! HE IS USING GH AND EVEN DESPITE THAT HE LOOKS LIKE SHIT!!!!
I post what I want when I want, i do not care who is waiting for any photo. Stop with the meltdowns and the crying for approval over here. We already established that you are not that lean, if that hurts then tough, maybe next time you won`t be such a pussy and dig deeper to shed those extra lb
Are you sure you want to label me as a twink, Im not the one who took his photo down after I blew you away.(http://s16.postimg.org/rgk1i78ad/owning_me.jpg)
Want me to post them both side by side, I still have them.
Did you all read that well? Mr. "Fucken Retard" has been putting his whole stack and diet regimen on the net, every day for two months, but "forgot" to mention that he's taking gh!!!!!!!
After reading that post again kohl its finally dawned on me that maybe I do need to drop this forum and go and find a bodybuilding forum that would judge a photo based on the quality of the phsique rather than the individuals posting history.
When I ask questions and Im nice (I do occasionally) people are complimentry, but when I troll they bash my photos.
It is a forum inhabited in the vast majority by guys who have no idea what a contest physique should look like.
Its an endless stream of bathroom mirror boys flashing ab shots.
I do notice that the likes of real bodybuilders like Bigro seldom post, hes above it, as I should be, I proved myself onstage back in the 90s, lets see how some of these guys turn out.
good idea
you wont be missed
bye
And once again you will be the 'top dog', bullying all the newbies, how nice for you. ;)
PS lol at your pic.
whyKnow, you do have a grasp on reality I will give you that.
I don't make claims about how great I look on here
Know, you do have a grasp on reality I will give you that.
You did post it to try and own me though and failed miserably.
no I didn't
you said I didn't have the balls to post one
so I did
you lose again :-*
Bigmc, I heard that when ukjeff calls Dominos to order Pizza and the operator asks "what he's getting tonight" he replies proudly "Fucked up the ass, same as every night", is he really this gay?Bigcyp, I heard when bigmc posts you always come out of the woodwork trying to be funny?
Bigmc, I heard that when ukjeff calls Dominos to order Pizza and the operator asks "what he's getting tonight" he replies proudly "Fucked up the ass, same as every night", is he really this gay?
are you saying when jeffrey orders his pizzas he takes his salami unsliced in the form of a special delivery cyp
Lol grownups having a e-fight over who looks the bestSupposely grown up men.
Supposely grown up men.(http://s22.postimg.org/5wyyosyyp/777777.jpg)
PAST pics both parties look great'comp look'and regular pics,uk's 2012/2013 version looks good and oth will deliver,but 10 pages over ripped glutes ,nobody else posting here could give 2 shits about the 'ripped glutes'compare the rest past/present/future pic wise cmon.if 'no one'and cleanest natural'pulled into this thread 'ukjeff 'keyboard key's would be in overdrive.he'll be typing in his sleep to catch up..
if 'no one'and cleanest natural'pulled into this thread 'ukjeff 'keyboard key's would be in overdrive.he'll be typing in his sleep to catch up..
I stay way for the most parts on theses threads due to I have nothing to add due to the 'bickering'portion or to add on pages of same point ad nauseum ,i'll add my 2 cents and go,i'm still trying to figure why uk continues on .he proved his point with a pic,his point,his argument.Now it's to see the pages grow with no clear cut answer or winner.Its simple why I continue, its the fact that even though it's blatantly obvious who was in the best condition, the forum bum buddies continue to ignore the obvious and dance around old OTH and his stupid 3% claim, if I had claimed 3% the forum bandwidth would have crashed.
Its simple why I continue, its the fact that even though it's blatantly obvious who was in the best condition, the forum bum buddies continue to ignore the obvious and dance around old OTH and his stupid 3% claim, if I had claimed 3% the forum bandwidth would have crashed.
Its simple why I continue, its the fact that even though it's blatantly obvious who was in the best condition, the forum bum buddies continue to ignore the obvious and dance around old OTH and his stupid 3% claim, if I had claimed 3% the forum bandwidth would have crashed.
Is it really worth it to go to these lengths? Do you really care this much about being "right" on getbig?
If you what I know about ukjeff's real life, believe me you'd understand why he takes getbig so seriously.
Is it really worth it to go to these lengths? Do you really care this much about being "right" on getbig?To him it is, he is all by himself, no family, no friends, think about it, he has literally typed in this thread around the clock for over 24 hours, I on the other hand have been in intervals, because I had to go the gym, had to sleep, had to bring my kids to the park, my life is a busy one, poor ukbeth is like the energizer bunny on here.
is it true he hasnt left home yet?
Well put it this way (no bullshitting here btw) on his Council Tax records for his address, it shows his name (age range 47-50), someone with the same surname (A female, age range 76-79) and another man with same surname (age range 79-82)'DELI HAM'UK NEEDS RIPPED GLUTES NO DELI HAM 4 HIM...
So either benevolent ukjeff has let his parents move into the mansion so he can take care of them, or he lives at home still eating his parents deli ham from the fridge, at the ripe old age of 48!!!! BRUTAL LIFE
Well put it this way (no bullshitting here btw) on his Council Tax records for his address, it shows his name (age range 47-50), someone with the same surname (A female, age range 76-79) and another man with same surname (age range 79-82)
So either benevolent ukjeff has let his parents move into the mansion so he can take care of them, or he lives at home still eating his parents deli ham from the fridge, at the ripe old age of 48!!!! BRUTAL LIFE
I am not reading that, it is way to long, make them smaller brother, people around here skip long posts.
Now let's finally come to the essence of this thread.
A few years ago gh15, in a humourous mood, gave a candy to OTH confirming his illusion of being 3%BF. Although until today OTH can't stop telling everybody about it and without any doubt is masturbating on the very thought of it every night (when he turns off his pc and comes back to his miserable lonely life), he is very ungrateful and doesn't stop bashing gh15.
Why?
Because he is exactly what gh15 means by FILT: a miserable liar! I'm not even talking about the pathetic lies about unrealistic BF percentages and bodypart measurements. Everybody does so, so let him have his little pleasure.
No, I'm talking about HARMFUL lies. Lies spread by an intermediate bodybuilder (because that's what OTH is at most) to misguide beginners.
I was just setting a trap for this asshole, and as I expected he was stupid enough to step right into it, so now it's exposal time!
OTH is trying to tell beginners the big lie that it's easy to diet down to 3% BF (!!!!) in 60 days, only on aas. The only thing you need is diet and hard work.
The truth is: 1. without gh it will be impossible even to approach 4% BF; 2. dieting down without gh is extremely difficult and will lead to enormous losses in muscle mass, especially when done in a short time period.
So I just tickled him by saying that he was a low level bodybuilder who didn't even use gh, and oh yes, there came the big confession (I'm sure he's regretting it already): "I did start gh this year"
Did you all read that well? Mr. "Fucken Retard" has been putting his whole stack and diet regimen on the net, every day for two months, but "forgot" to mention that he's taking gh!!!!!!!
He's using the most important fat burner in bodybuilding, but "forgets" to mention it! Check it out: EVERYBODY here was under the impression he didn't use gh. But he does! And that makes his "preparation" completely different.
It's a difference of day and night between a preparation on aas alone (= suffering, very strict diet, flatten out and muscle loss) and on gh, even if it's "nothing special" (low dose)!
People like OTH should be BANNED from this forum, because by "forgetting" to mention this he is spreading harmful lies. Imagine all the newbies dieting down and getting frustrated because they can't get even close to 3% BF and are losing all of their muscle mass they have been working so hard for. So they will think it's a genetical thing and OTH is a genetically superior human being. Or is "using the right supplements" (maybe they PM him for that). MY ASS! A FILTHY LIAR HE IS! HE IS USING GH AND EVEN DESPITE THAT HE LOOKS LIKE SHIT!!!!
jeff is quite the player;D
you can imagine
jeff - mommy can you take a pic of my ripped glutes in the garden, the fellas on get big are making fun of me
mommy - eat your alphabet spagehetti first honey
Come on guys enough!! You all look good, lets stop with the bickering and try and get back on point. Lots of good info hear from all, lets get back to talking and learning.true, but it was just a matter of time that jeff would ruin a great thread.
true, but it was just a matter of time that jeff would ruin a great thread.
I am just fooling about with him though, at the end disgusted, everyone knows I will get the last laugh cause the point of thread is to get as lean as humanly possible and in a few weeks I will show beth what shredded really is ;)
he will still stalk you he cant help itthe funny thing is his pic is 17 years old and mine is 7 years old and he actually used that against me, he said I was sitting on that pic for to long meanwhile his is almost 20 years old, seriously we are dealing with a below average IQ certified nut case here.
the pic he keeps posting is 17 years ago
talk about living in the past
Yes, this blows me up and dries me out big time. Everyone is different so results may vary.
7 days out- take in sodium (salt), 4-6 table spoons,... In your case because you are fasting during this time you have to take the salt with water. Drink as much water as humanly possible
6 days out- I guess you would still be fasting. Drink tons of water
5 days out-Bring back proteins and veggies, Tons of water
4 days out- Same as day 5, Tons of water
3 days out- Same as day 4 and 5. Tons of water
2 days out
- First half the day 2 meals 100 grams of carbs each meal, Complex carbs, Drink a lot of water.
-Second half of the day 3 meals 150 to 200 grams of carbs per meal, limit your water to a glass and a half per meal.
1 day out
, 6 meals, no sodium in your meals, complex carbs for the first 4 meals and the last 2 carbs and fats, A prime rip dinner would be good. Big meals, the bigger the better
Now, this is important, keep 1 liter of water by your side and sip throughout the day in small amounts, just enough to get the food down, this starts the second you wake up in the morning and that is all the water you get until after the shoot.
Day of
- Wake up have 5 pancakes, have a breakfast, no saturated fats but include fats and carbs and starting 6 hours out have a chocolate bar once every hour, this is where you pig out beyond belief, don't hold back from the time you open your eyes
30 minutes before, get the sugar in you, make sure you are very warm almost to the point of breaking a sweat, the heat in your blood brings out the vascularity and if you are cold, say good bye to your veins.
Diazide, 3 days out, 2 days out, 1 day out and day of, one per day
8) ;)
Hey bro, thanks for the info.6 am throws a wrench in everything but it is doable, just eat like a pig right before bed, I mean really stuff yourself, I would do something with fats like the prime rib.
The photoshoot is scheduled in the morning at 6am due to lighting conditions.
How would i adjust the shitloading part? Unless i wake up every hour to eat?
Well put it this way (no bullshitting here btw) on his Council Tax records for his address, it shows his name (age range 47-50), someone with the same surname (A female, age range 76-79) and another man with same surname (age range 79-82)
So either benevolent ukjeff has let his parents move into the mansion so he can take care of them, or he lives at home still eating his parents deli ham from the fridge, at the ripe old age of 48!!!! BRUTAL LIFE
6 am throws a wrench in everything but it is doable, just eat like a pig right before bed, I mean really stuff yourself, I would do something with fats like the prime rib.
Unfortunately you might not benefit from eating chocolate then falling asleep so try to eat 4 to 5 chocolate bars the second you wake up, since you do not have too much time stick with heavy sugar, some flavored rice cakes with sodium free peanut butter will work good.
make sure to use the washroom, even if don't have to go, try to anyway cause your stomach will be full, want to bring down the volume in your midsection, no you are going to feel so dhydrated and thirsty and your mouth will be like cement but restrain yourself the best you can, you will have a dry full look, if you can hold off. I have 1 popsicle when I wake up in this case, if you must bring a container with some ice cubes and suck on them if you must.
Good luck bro, long journey you just took, might as well go that extra mile. ;)
the funny thing is his pic is 17 years old and mine is 7 years old and he actually used that against me, he said I was sitting on that pic for to long meanwhile his is almost 20 years old, seriously we are dealing with a below average IQ certified nut case here.
how does one aquire this sort of info?One doesn't, he's telling lies again
Say somebody was looking for an obese whore who did a runner to bournmouth and owed rent money.
he will still stalk you he cant help it
the pic he keeps posting is 17 years ago
talk about living in the past
What have the timescales got to do with anything?Claiming photoshop is admitting defeat. i must be that good for you to think it is photoshopped, this is a huge compliment, Thank you.
It was me at my best and you at yours, you got owned, end of discussion.
The best condition you ever achieve and all you have is one backstage photoshopped picture.
You are full of shit.
Lol at 3%.
Thanks very much bro! Much appreciated!any time bro :)
Claiming photoshop is admitting defeat. i must be that good for you to think it is photoshopped, this is a huge compliment, Thank you.Its photoshopped and still looks shit, thats the funniest part.
OTH why didnt you tell anyone you were taking GH when you started the thread?go back and read you dumb fuck I mention it at the beginning of the thread and 50 times since.
Lets post a pic now then see how we both compare, you up for it smallfatondoutofshapemc?
my arms are over 19" coldThat is one big fucken arm, ` :)
your are about 15 pumped
That is one big fucken arm, ` :)
Ukmethuselah both arms combined
That is one big fucken arm, ` :)he's had better pics ,that's not showing much.
Ukmethuselah both arms combined
he's had better pics ,that's not showing much.
That is one big fucken arm, `
Ukmethuselah both arms combined
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=485328.0;attach=532096;image)
Hahahahaha.............. .WTF is that, and as for this post
One big fuckin arm?
You cant see his fucking arm.
Dumbest photo ever on getbig
Tell OTH it was a joke.
Hes so far up your arse seeking a bum chum he will latch onto anything.
Let him down gently though, he cant get ripped glutes.
you can see my arm and you can see its twice as big as yoursUkjeff is putting on body fat, his diet is not effective, he is regressing. A few more weeks Bigmc and he will know what condition really is.
jokes on you with your 15" cannons
you can see my arm and you can see its twice as big as yours(http://s14.postimg.org/5ftva2wzl/tattoos.jpg)
jokes on you with your 15" cannons
Ukjeff is putting on body fat, his diet is not effective, he is regressing. A few more weeks Bigmc and he will know what condition really is.
(http://s14.postimg.org/5ftva2wzl/tattoos.jpg)bro your 50 years old and you have not stopped posting for more then an hour in the last 24 hours. Do you not have a job? or anything to do. Seriously, i honestly feel sorry for you, no family, no friends, no money, no life
I can see your arms better in this photo, by the way, do you even lift?
We will see, I really hope you can deliver those ripped glutes in 21 days, have you scheduled someone to paint your picture?I do not care what you think or if you see my ripped physique or not, it is not being done for you.
(http://s22.postimg.org/5mq7hy70h/dfg.jpg)
bro your 50 years old and you have not stopped posting for more then an hour in the last 24 hours. Do you not have a job? or anything to do. Seriously, i honestly feel sorry for you, no family, no friends, no money, no life
I do not care what you think or if you see my ripped physique or not, it is not being done for you.
As for the painted trunks, are you mentally ill, you can not possibly believe that. There is literally 200 competitors in the gym, that is the pump up room and those are velvet trunks.
You on the other hand do gay for pay, and do naked photo shoots. That thong pic was not for yourself, that was a shmoe paid photo shoot.
Did you suck his dick after for money.
jeff in full meltdown mode in this threadBigmc trying to create a reality for himself where he can feel better
Bigmc trying to create a reality for himself where he can feel better
"go to a happy place, go to a happy place"
(http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/1669/PreviewComp/SuperStock_1669R-4753.jpg)
jeff falling to bits in this jointBigmc with nothing to add except his awesome physique.........wait... hang on....
Bigmc with nothing to add except his awesome physique.........wait... hang on....
that post was as lame as your bicep peakJust because I told you I had no bicep peak why do you think it would bother me?
pssstttt........time difference you fuckwit its 9pm here.It is not that. I leave for 6 hours, come back and post then 5 seconds later you post, I leave again for 8 hours then post 5 seconds later you post.
It is not that. I leave for 6 hours, come back and post then 5 seconds later you post, I leave again for 8 hours then post 5 seconds later you post.I think you will find that isn't true at all.
In fact you post immediately all the time every time so one can only conclude that you as a 50 year old live on getbig 24 hours a day 7 days a week, non stop. You can not possibly have a job and you obviously have no family or friends, you live with mom and dad.
Miserable life, wouldn't you say
I think you will find that isn't true at all.Page 5, read it and weep, I told everyone of my gh use.
What is it with people telling lies on this forum.
By the way, your credibility has taken a nose dive on here since you failed to tell people about your GH usage.
I wouldnt worry though, these guys have the attention span of a fucking goldfish.
Page 5, read it and weep, I told everyone of my gh use.Err.. you were using GH when you started this quest to 3% (fucking lol at 3%) and you failed to tell anyone.
i do not lie, I am the most credible, I take extreme pride in not lying.
I am out and when I get back, guarantee you have not left, you will still be posting for dear life, take a break, get a life bro, go out, it is Friday, don't wither away like an old man behind the keyboard.
Err.. you were using GH when you started this quest to 3% (fucking lol at 3%) and you failed to tell anyone.page 5, are you dumb, that is day one , I told everyone, seriously, do you not know how to read,,, err lmao
Bullshitter extraordinaire.
Just because I told you I had no bicep peak why do you think it would bother me?
Remind us again of your onstage exploits when you competed?
page 5, are you dumb, that is day one , I told everyone, seriously, do you not know how to read,,, err lmaoSo where abouts in this post did you say you were using GH as part of your current prep?
PAGE 5 IN YOUR FACE.
excellent post flint, this is real good info and I have to agree. I did bench 500 6 years ago and can probably still bench 500, had I done massive amounts of gh since then and insulin, I might have been a freak, but you know priorities in life take you else where.
I am 31 and I have done gh this year only for the first time, just small amounts, I will, however begin gh this winter in preparation for my shows next year, how much gh, I do not know yet, we will see.
As far as slin is concerned, I know everything you need to know and I am considering it but I have an approach that has not been done before but I will not discuss this on open form.
The direction I head into depends on this diet though, i only want to jump on stage if I can be the most shredded guy on the stage, if not then call it quits.
not my thingSo you are aware you are posting in a thread about other mens glutes and keep logging in to look at the pictures?
i would rather laugh at you posting a 16 year old pic in a thong
then obsessing about other mens glutes
this shit is getting stupid. OTH looks great, jeff looks great. the real guys here should save the arguments for the picless trolls. fucken gay to see real bro's sinking to the level of shitzso.Dont worry mate, we are all assholes on here.
Is Mr.3% 31 years old?
Man, wisdom comes late in some cases... sometimes never.
this shit is getting stupid. OTH looks great, jeff looks great. the real guys here should save the arguments for the picless trolls. fucken gay to see real bro's sinking to the level of shitzso.Bro we are having fun, I know a little childish but I only post when I have time, ukmethuselah on the other is doing this as a full time job 24 hours a day, every time I post he posts within 3 minutes.
Is Mr.3% 31 years old?
Man, wisdom comes late in some cases... sometimes never.
Have you noticed that everyone ignores your posts? No one replies anymore, OTH did at the beginning but not anymore. Hope this helps and get the fuck out.I appreciate this bro, in fact this post here is actually making feel like an idiot that I am giving these guys the time of day, so I will tone it down a notch.
Oh and I must correct myself, no one I didn't mean that this WHOLE thread sucks, but lets face it, apart from first 20 or so pages that just repeated what OTH stated in his previous threads (mind what I have under the avatar, it's my way of saying RESPECT AND THANKS) it's just spam. I always had utmost respect to OTH and him being truthful and honest as well as VERY helpful both here and PMs.
However its not his fault, its rather the attention whoring miserable fucks that ruined this thead. At this point useful information is completely hidden under endless ukjeff's meltdowns about his pics that are nearly as old as I am.
Since as many people noticed you haven't really slept for couple of days jeff for your health's sake yes, I do agree that you look better than OTH in your past. In fact I believe you destroy not only no one, OTH, you could take 1996 version of Levrone and are more ripped than 1993 Flex.
I hope you feel better already, now go to sleep. Thanks.
I appreciate this bro, in fact this post here is actually making feel like an idiot that I am giving these guys the time of day, so I will tone it down a notch.
8)
OK guys who has a better physique?
Have you noticed that everyone ignores your posts? No one replies anymore, OTH did at the beginning but not anymore. Hope this helps and get the fuck out.
Oh and I must correct myself, no one I didn't mean that this WHOLE thread sucks, but lets face it, apart from first 20 or so pages that just repeated what OTH stated in his previous threads (mind what I have under the avatar, it's my way of saying RESPECT AND THANKS) it's just spam. I always had utmost respect to OTH and him being truthful and honest as well as VERY helpful both here and PMs.
However its not his fault, its rather the attention whoring miserable fucks that ruined this thead. At this point useful information is completely hidden under endless ukjeff's meltdowns about his pics that are nearly as old as I am.
Since as many people noticed you haven't really slept for couple of days jeff for your health's sake yes, I do agree that you look better than OTH at his best. In fact I believe you destroy not only no one, OTH, you could take 1996 version of Levrone and are more ripped than 1993 Flex.
I hope you feel better already, now go to sleep. Thanks.
Have you noticed that everyone ignores your posts? No one replies anymore, OTH did at the beginning but not anymore. Hope this helps and get the fuck out.
Oh and I must correct myself, no one I didn't mean that this WHOLE thread sucks, but lets face it, apart from first 20 or so pages that just repeated what OTH stated in his previous threads (mind what I have under the avatar, it's my way of saying RESPECT AND THANKS) it's just spam. I always had utmost respect to OTH and him being truthful and honest as well as VERY helpful both here and PMs.
However its not his fault, its rather the attention whoring miserable fucks that ruined this thead. At this point useful information is completely hidden under endless ukjeff's meltdowns about his pics that are nearly as old as I am.
Since as many people noticed you haven't really slept for couple of days jeff for your health's sake yes, I do agree that you look better than OTH at his best. In fact I believe you destroy not only no one, OTH, you could take 1996 version of Levrone and are more ripped than 1993 Flex.
I hope you feel better already, now go to sleep. Thanks.
those are some thick ass spinal erectors. ...years of deadlifting
If this is 3%
(http://s15.postimg.org/gz46rnlwb/n759716423_177311_1188_1.jpg)
Then whats this?
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/1075/630/d/1995_arnold_classic_review_b1216139758.jpg)
Open to everyone who accepts OTH claim of 3% , by the way thats 95% of this forum because his ludicrous claim has gone unchecked for years.
Anyone want to dare step out of the shadows?
And surprise, surprise not one response.You have become a sad sack of shit over this. Still wondering if you are a real person.
This forum is inhabited by a team of loud moth assholes who quieten the majority into submission with there idiotic threats of violence and intimidation.
The rest of you are just the kids at school who turned away when a kid was being bullied because it was easy.
Not one person wants to step up and tell OTH he is full of shit with his 3% bullshit.
And a last shout to the people who PMd me to tell me I had a point and he was full of shit, dont bother PMing me again you sad frightened bags of shit.
I will now continue to troll the shit out of this forum until the ban hammer falls
Oh and
"Meltdown"
You have become a sad sack of shit over this. Still wondering if you are a real person.OK shizzo, you seems to be your own man.
Munzer died at 31 organ failure wonder why? Still to this day one of the most ripped Bodybuilders ever.You could add value by having a guess at his BF % in the picture.
You could add value by having a guess at his BF % in the picture.3%.
3%.
Great, same as OTH in his picture?He is not quite there yet but working on it, so what you got Munzer at?
He is not quite there yet but working on it, so what you got Munzer at?
Its not about me fuckwit, its about OTH stupid claims of 3% BF, thanks for confirming it wasnt true.Never said it was about you, you are ripped best I see. Why are you so angry I see some of your posts alot of them are lashing out at people.
Never said it was about you, you are ripped best I see. Why are you so angry I see some of your posts alot of them are lashing out at people.
Because the site is virtually totally inhabited by arse lickers who lurk in the shadows allowing pricks to gang up on individual posters (and no, its not about me) and slink around like cowards.I tell it like it is and told him as it is and you as well. I have judged a few contests and know this game. You need more biceps man just being real, but a good back and chest qualities. You got a good overall physique. (no homo).
I had several PMs about OTHs bullshit but not one of them will step up and tell him.
Wankers everyone of them.
I tell it like it is and told him as it is and you as well. I have judged a few contests and know this game. You need more biceps man just being real, but a good back and chest qualities. You got a good overall physique. (no homo).
He is not quite there yet but working on it, so what you got Munzer at?
OK shizzo, you seems to be your own man.I think OTH measured what he measured. Each person is going to look different, even if they are the same bodyfat. That other guy has more muscle than OTH, and is doing a most muscular pose.
Do you think OTH claims of 3% have merit?
I dont recall you teling him anything, care to link to the post where you told him he wasnt 3% and was bullshitting.He's not 3%, but you need to get a life .
Your last post was borderline arselicking
You just needed to tell him he was full of shit, hes been banging on about his 3% for years totally unchecked, thats why hes the asshole he is.
I tell it like it is and told him as it is and you as well. I have judged a few contests and know this game. You need more biceps man just being real, but a good back and chest qualities. You got a good overall physique. (no homo).
would you agree that his wheels are his best bodypart?True.
I think OTH measured what he measured. Each person is going to look different, even if they are the same bodyfat. That other guy has more muscle than OTH, and is doing a most muscular pose.Hes nowhere near 3% FFS.
If he wasn't at 3% then he was damn close to it.
i see its been said one cant break into the 4%s range without gh use, this is ridiculous claim.
Its not about me fuckwit, its about OTH stupid claims of 3% BF, thanks for confirming it wasnt true.
bro no need to hate OTH is 3% in that pic you should be encouraging him!Is he fuck.
I run this board. Arguments go through me pal.
Jeff, now you're discussing with a guy who doesn't even lift?!
Jeff, now you're discussing with a guy who doesn't even lift?!
ok 3.9 with bit water overspill :D
damn i should be a lector on politcal corectness ;D
You need some biceps Jeff just being straight. All I did was barbell curls and C-curls it all worked out.Im 48 years old mate, if I havent got a bicep peak now it aint gonna happen.
Im 48 years old mate, if I havent got a bicep peak now it aint gonna happen.Props to you continue on.
thats cool adn fine, but did you have your triceps surgicaly remov ed?No, Genes on triceps as it is always. Did you have a accident on your biceps maybe a tear? You got got no tris but no bi's later.
or was it a tragedic accident? ???
you sure youre not confusing me with someone else? ;D
i might lack everything else,lol, but arms are ok-ish ;D
(http://www.building-muscle101.com/images/larry-scott.jpg)
None of these guys were ever going to get a peaked bicep, its genetics
Larry Scott was known for his biceps peak , retard.(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa229/haggy0927/LarryScott.jpg)
what do you do for your wheels ugayjizz?10 minutes high intensity stationary bike.
Nope, just a front standing relaxed pose, no pumping , no flexing, just standing there.
Like this one.
(http://s7.postimg.org/7bxvs6bnf/rrrrrrrrrr.jpg)
http://postimage.org
You can post images there for free
you sure youre not confusing me with someone else? ;DJust pulling your chain dude, you got good triceps. Never seen a bicep shot though what do they look like and no leg pics what you got.
i might lack everything else,lol, but arms are ok-ish ;D
10 minutes high intensity stationary bike.
6 sets leg press, six sets leg curls
Smart guy in his forties whose knees went through a lot and wants to keep onto muscle mass in the most effective way. I recognize that ;-)
Intervals work best for me. after warm-up 30-45 sec sprints, 60-90 sec rest, 3-4 x
Nope, just a front standing relaxed pose, no pumping , no flexing, just standing there.So that is how you stand, relaxed? Lmfao!! Talk about ILS! ;D
Like this one.
(http://s7.postimg.org/7bxvs6bnf/rrrrrrrrrr.jpg)
http://postimage.org
You can post images there for free
LMAO, I love this, I spend 20 minutes posting and keeps UKmethuselah up melting down over the course of the next 24 hours ;D
TBH, it is not even important what percentage I am in that pic because I will be leaner anyway in a few weeks time and I will surpass my all time leaness.
Now I will address this issue one more time and for the last time, Calipers always score way less then that digital fat % and they score the lowest, anyone who has used them would know this.
Now is it accurate, I would probably say no but nevertheless you guys know my integrity and know how the last thing I would do here is lie to you guys about anything.
Having said that, I had a skinfold test that day and the numbers came to the high 3% and I also had one the week prior were it showed 4 and the week prior were it showed 5 so take it with a grain of salt, what do you want me to do? lie about what was shown on the caliper ??? this is the last I speak on this matter.
So everything in the past will count for nothing as of now. Would like to say thanks to everyone here for support, you guys are great, this thread has gave me motivation to push forwards because of the people here who have faith that I will deliver and I will deliver, maybe not the best or biggest physique but a very ripped one like I promised ;)
As for UKmetheselah, do your worse bro I am done with you, I will let public opinion crucify you as it has done so, 50 years old ??? grow up brother, go out, do something, get laid, have a beer at the bar, don`t let your 24 hour 7 day a week in front of the computer consume your ass, stop spreading your misery and negativity. :-\
TBH, it is not even important what percentage I am in that pic because I will be leaner anyway in a few weeks time and I will surpass my all time leaness.I couldnt give a fuck what you are going to be, its about what you were.
Having said that, I had a skinfold test that day and the numbers came to the high 3%So it was nearly 4 so you rounded it down to 3, got it.
So that is how you stand, relaxed? Lmfao!! Talk about ILS! ;DA "Standing relaxed pose", another dumb fuckwit who as never been on a bodybuilding stage making uninformed comments, fuck off conehead.
as im busy cleaning my cave of loveWiping your ass?
but 1 thing, no way thats a relaxed pose from you there, thats bbuilding stage relaxedWhen I said 'relaxed pose' thats exactly what I meant, a stage relaxed pose.
will do, just have to upload them, but maybe tomoro, as im busy cleaning my cave of love, some lady is coming over later.chaos is cool flips tires daily.
@jeff:yeah im still decideing whether to deplete or carb ub for the pic,and must shave first ;D
but 1 thing, no way thats a relaxed pose from you there, thats bbuilding stage relaxed, ie half tight, therefore, mine will be too,truly relaxed means guts out,shoulders hanging down etc,theres no way id post such a pic lol ;D
yes, standing "relaxed", on stage that still means everything kept tight,just not fully flexed, truly relaxed is when asleep,had to defend chaos there a bit :D
Wiping your ass?lmao!!
ah ok, ill just hold my breath for 30seconds during the relaxed shotI know you will. ;D
;D ;D
but atleast ill do it umpumped, for own benefits,unpumped theres less water 8)
and will have to be early in the morning, another tactical reason
I popped in here to see how OTH's diet was going, and to see his progress... instead Im treated to a complete shitstorm of retarded bitching.
What gives?
OTH has been finally caught out with his daft claim of being 3% bf, but don't worry hes going to almost kill himself in the next few weeks trying to do it.I don't particularly care about his BF claim. I want to see how well his diet is working and the progress he's making.
He might yet die for you bitches. ::)
I popped in here to see how OTH's diet was going, and to see his progress... instead Im treated to a complete shitstorm of retarded bitching.OTH refuses to post the shredded glute shot.
What gives?
What do you mean? Mr.3% just told us that he's going for even leaner! That means soon we'll be able to call him Mr.2%!
Stay tuned!
Yep just 21 days left and hes going to surpass Muntzer et all.
These guys are going to look smooth in comparison as none of these are likely 3%
(http://robkingfitness.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Glutes.jpg)
(http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/attachments/professional-muscle-forum/47135d1313752341-most-shredded-guy-you-have-ever-seen-alexgalli1.jpg)
(http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/attachments/professional-muscle-forum/16364d1200108105-talk-about-ass-glutes.jpg)
youi seem to like to look at mens asses. I bet you jerked it while posting those pictures you sick fuck!
Well, well your posting standards are dropping, you upset I reported you for dealing drugs?
No report me all you want in the end you will gte arrested for making false accusations,now go jerk-off staring at all those naken men you have on your desktop-UK homo
I don't particularly care about his BF claim. I want to see how well his diet is working and the progress he's making.what`s up bro, I know everyone is waiting, but I am as real as they come, I said 60 days so 60 days it is ;). As for my progress shockwave, it is better then expected, I am not worried about the destination, however going below a certain point is what separates the men from the boys and I am fully aware of the discomfort, the anxiety, the sheer will power it takes and I am ready to go there, mentally and physically, stay tuned brother. 8)
hm, ill adress this later , but if you see the video above that was yesterdya, yeah shredded, but today i did something, and damndamn, looking brutally shredded and dry even for my standards.
its not just what to do,its also what youve done before it.but stil this is kinda individual, and even me who can play around with carb ubs bc im shreddd all year, its often hit and miss haha, same for noone, but we kinda have one or 2 ways which always work well.
will post later when at work :D
Sorry to hijack the thread again, but gal can u please elaborate? Im all earsthis is what the thread is all about, we were off track for a bit but now we all will keep it dieting related, your questions are important. I am glad you are asking question, by all means keep them coming.
this is what the thread is all about, we were off track for a bit but now we all will keep it dieting related, your questions are important. I am glad you are asking question, by all means keep them coming.
Nobody does it better then gal, he lives ripped year round, he knows what makes him full and dry through experience as good as anyone.
man ukjeff is one unfriendly dude. And what's with your obsession over striated glutes lol weird...Its OTH who is obsessed with ripped glutes, he's never had them you see, maybe his little niggle eating away at him will be satisfied in 21 days, he can than consider his life complete.
Oth is doing and has done what 99% of dudes on here haven't just sayin, and you seem obsessed on discrediting him for some childish reason it's kinda funny. Why are 40+ year old dudes on here such losers seriously ::)
Oh another thing, i think i am holding water from my anadrol, (50mg). Will be dropping it today (4 days out), will the diuretic take care of the water or should i blast masteron?
I hate to put a knot in your head but dropping 150mg of anadrol 4 days out and using a diuretic are going to potentially be disasterous and leave you very flat bro
imo technically you want to do as little as possible to look the best possible. if your lean enough you won't need all these tricks. a very mild diuretic and a good meal of sat fats and carbs will make you look spectacular.
if your lean enough leave the drol in. take a mild diuretic. keep your body in as close to a state if stasis as possible. the chance at a minor improvment could leave you looking much worse esp w only 4 days to go. I wouldn't have even been using drol. your whole approach is fucked up.
post a photo we'll see if your lean enough to keep the drol in use a mild diuretic and just load with a fatty meal to fill you out. only way we can really help you is if we see what your true condition is like. who knows you might not need to do anything.
Careful Dominic, he will tell you are at 9% BF.
fuck off you useless asshole.Hello Rob ::) (as if), what happened to your other thread?
guys like OTH me gal and countless others actually like helping people. while all you do is infect the board with your negativity, insecurity and bullshit
I look forward to to the day you are banned. GB will be better for it. you can believe that.
Bro OTH,no to the fat load 2 days, only one day out
with regards to the sample loading plan of yours, should i fat load 2 days out? Or should i just stick with 500-600g of carbs and lean protein?
Like mentioned in my other post, my photoshoot is at 6am, soif i were to backtrack 3 days prior, how would u dose the dyazide? 1/2 tab every 12 hr?
Thanks again brah
Oh another thing, i think i am holding water from my anadrol, (50mg). Will be dropping it today (4 days out), will the diuretic take care of the water or should i blast masteron?too late for any change dropping the anadrol, It should have been done 10 days out but at 50 mg, we are talking very little water and it is hard to say what the diuretics would do, it depends on the individual. With me it always helps but others it makes them flat and doe not help, however not drinking water in the last 24 hours always help everyone, this is the safest way to get rid of water.
however not drinking water in the last 24 hours always help everyone, this is the safest way to get rid of water.
Hello Rob ::) (as if), what happened to your other thread?so you want to get personal and give out private info by calling him Rob, OK that is dirty and I have yet to play this game but if you insist, I will make an exception and will air out your dirty laundry since you opened up a knew level of disrespect here.
Taken down for spamming?
I know you want me banned, you want to be king of the hill again selling your shite unchecked.
Now, Rob ::), why is there no record of you ever competing or selling Maple Syrup?
so you want to get personal and give out private info by calling him Rob, OK that is dirty and I have yet to play this game but if you insist, I will make an exception and will air out your dirty laundry since you opened up a knew level of disrespect here.
This guy ukjeff was being called out for claiming natural when he clearly was not and then he was so fed up with it he PMed and admitted to being a juice head and said he has to say what he has to say because of certain situations.
So in other words he has to BULLSHIT YOU GUYS ABOUT HIS FILTHY LIE OF BEING NATURAL.
You asked for it, claiming natural when you admitted to juicing to me via PM.
Sorry guys I would never do this and I know it is rotten but he is trying to call no one by what he thinks is his real name so fuck him, he deserves this. He drew first.
Ha natural, you filthy scum liar :-*
This guy ukjeff was being called out for claiming natural when he clearly was not and then he was so fed up with it he PMed and admitted to being a juice head and said he has to say what he has to say because of certain situations.
You asked for it, claiming natural when you admitted to juicing to me via PM.Post the PM you lying twat.
Post the PM you lying twat.That I will not do unless you insist and BTW I do not lie
That I will not do unless you insist and BTW I do not lie
Yes you do, you embellish the truth a bit like your 3% bf now being "high 3s" in other words almost 4.I will if others here feel it is appropriate since you are giving my permission but if they say no it is out of line I will be incline to listen to them and not post.
Now post the PM big mouth.
I will if others here feel it is appropriate since you are giving my permission but if they say no it is out of line I will be incline to listen to them and not post.
Have at least 5 people saying it is ok then I will.
But I do not need to cause everyone here believes me cause I do not lie about anything and you indeed verified your use to me.
Guys why do you obsess about numbers so much? BF is only a number. Who the fuck cares anyway.Exactly, what difference does it make what number you are, the look you have is what counts. I only use the numbers as a tool to describe progress from point a to b but the number is simple irrelevant.
BF is fat in your body/your body mass. So if you dehydrate your bf goes up. Yep, you hear me right. Amount of bodyfat remains same and your bodymass drops so your bodyfat increases. So actually Munzer in that picture could be more than 3% because he is so dehydrated.
BF is therefore pretty much useless and cannot be assessed at very low levels without advanced tools.
no to the fat load 2 days, only one day out
Exactly, what difference does it make what number you are, the look you have is what counts. I only use the numbers as a tool to describe progress from point a to b but the number is simple irrelevant.Great, so you will have absolutely no idea what BF% you are just what a set of callipers read?
Calipers are a good way of noting progress, in my case this is what I use and it just so happen to read 13% when I start my diet and 3% when I finish, it is a progress thing not a statement of 3% cause calipers are not accurate. You are actually percentage is enormous like 8-10% since calipers do not measure internal tissue where most of your fat is found..
Im telling you its OK, it doesn't say what you think it says, read it again before you make a prick of yourself.Not one person will fall for your gibberish cleverness of playing dumb.
Great, so you will have absolutely no idea what BF% you are just what a set of callipers read?NO shit sherlock, :-[
Oh brother, this just gets better.
What a waste of a fucking thread and everyones time.
My callipers say 1.5% at the moment.
Not one person will fall for your gibberish cleverness of playing dumb.
You actually think someone is going to say ''well technically, he did not say in black and white that he uses'' lmao, come on bro we are not in grade 3.
You said you can not confirm or deny in the open and you can not speak about it then in a follow up PM you say I only tell who ask in PM, Bigmc already knows.
If that is not admitting that you are filthy scum liar claiming natural then I don't know what is. :-[ :-[ :-[
NICE TRY though.
You asked for it, claiming natural when you admitted to juicing to me via PM.
[QuoTepmfromukjeffley]
I is on das juice
[EndQUoTe]
Hows that for evidence ukliar
Why does fat load work? When I diet I notice that carbload makes me bloated whereas fatload gives me the best look - full, dry etc. Yet I do not get why does it work. Where does that fat go?SIMPLE, your body has burned fat for the duration of your diet of 12 weeks or more so what does that mean. It uses fat as fuel and because it does it gets stored in the muscle as it has been your primary source of fuel.
So when you wrote earlier...it was the truth ;)
Was it the truth or a lie?
it was the truth ;)Nope, it was a lie, you tell them so often you dont know the difference anymore "Mr 3% with callipers"
Nope, it was a lie, you tell them so often you dont know the difference anymore "Mr 3% with callipers"I have the pm's and everyone here will believe me you are a juice pig but not only that but a lying filthy scum claiming natural something getbig does not tolerate.
fucking hell its hilarious. ;D ;D
I have the pm's and everyone here will believe me you are a juice pig but not only that but a lying filthy scum claiming natural something getbig does not tolerate.
But I love trolling you and my goal with you is for every 10 minutes I spend getting you going, it last 12 hours, not a bad trade off if you ask me ;D
So, I am off, have some stuff to do, you know enjoying life and loving it. I will come back in 12 hours and enjoy watching you glued to the computer melting down :D
Soak it up.
Yup Uk admitting to juicing, filthy scum claiming natural, lmao, see you in 12 hours brother ;D 8) :)
yah 4 days is bit short, but its better to go off it than stay on it.agree 50mg isnt going to be sooo much water anyway.yes indeed, being shredded does not bring out striations, being shredded and fully loaded does, so those striated freaks are not only shredded but nail their loading process perfectly, where as someone flat as a pan cake might be equal in thinness of skin but lack striation because their flat muscle is not pushing against the skin.
btw deceiver said something interesting, sometimes one whosbit flat might actualy be leaner than it seems, while other guys striations just pop out better.
Nope, just a front standing relaxed pose, no pumping , no flexing, just standing there.
Like this one.
(http://s7.postimg.org/7bxvs6bnf/rrrrrrrrrr.jpg)
http://postimage.org
You can post images there for free
ok 3.9 with bit water overspill :D
damn i should be a lector on politcal corectness ;D
youi seem to like to look at mens asses. I bet you jerked it while posting those pictures you sick fuck!
You are starting to sound more and more like an unhappy repressed homosexual who in order to escape his mundane married "straight life" desperately seeks approval from other muscled up guys online.
I wonder what 1MR has to say regarding your behaviour.
Why do u keep trying to bring common sense and reason to this thread? U must be a a masochist.i guess so...trying to roll along with it seems to do no good either,no?the main part thread is fine ,the second part is usual antagonistic antics.
uk has has stayed neutral on drug or no drug on admittance,i figured to some degree he used and oth has or will prove it,or is it another uk bluff to continue petty arguments with no clear answers or winning argument .eventually he will get caught up in one of his usual tirades and fold his cards.Here are 3 pm's and BTW everyone, UKjeff gave me permission to post these PM's. If he did not give me permission I would not.
Mike Smith, Layne Norton. Galeniko, all natural. Hard work.gal does not claim natural though but you can add ukjeff even though he just got exposed big time ;D
so you want to get personal and give out private info by calling him Rob, OK that is dirty and I have yet to play this game but if you insist, I will make an exception and will air out your dirty laundry since you opened up a knew level of disrespect here.Now heres the PMs
This guy ukjeff was being called out for claiming natural when he clearly was not and then he was so fed up with it he PMed and admitted to being a juice head and said he has to say what he has to say because of certain situations.
So in other words he has to BULLSHIT YOU GUYS ABOUT HIS FILTHY LIE OF BEING NATURAL.
You asked for it, claiming natural when you admitted to juicing to me via PM.
Sorry guys I would never do this and I know it is rotten but he is trying to call no one by what he thinks is his real name so fuck him, he deserves this. He drew first.
Ha natural, you filthy scum liar :-*
Here are 3 pm's and BTW everyone, UKjeff gave me permission to post these PM's. If he did not give me permission I would not.
PM # 1
Hello mate
Im not in a position to discuss gear on an open forum, or even here for that matter.
Im not going to confirm or deny if I use or not.
Its for personal reasons, I'm not being an arse or anything its just I simply cant discuss it.
This one technically does not admit it but one can conclude that a natural would simply never in a million years say ''its just I simply cant discuss it.''
pm#2
Thanks for that.
Its not that I don't want to talk about it, I simply cant.
Again, read between the lines, he is saying he can not discuss it. now the third one is clear and cut.
PM#3
Nah, dont worry about it mate, no harm done, I could have responded in the thread but it would just encourage others, I just pm if people ask.
Bigmc is already aware.
Oh but but but..... that does not mean I am admitting it, it just means I can not discuss it, you jerks, I don't do juice goddammit, leave me alone I am a 50 year natural, ... I am clean, why else would I be able not to talk about it--- ukjeff
lmao, scum filthy juice head claiming natural.
Now here is the funniest thing ever. Why on God's green earth would someone deny juice, when they are anonymous anyway
remember guys it is for personal reasons
so you wroteNow heres the PMs
So the pMs clearly show I didd not admit to using via PM
Which makes you a liar yet again
Wake up OTH , you are a fucking liar through and through.
I dont claim natural because it creates argument and if I am not in a position to use anything for personal reasons, thats why I dont discus it numbnuts.
You thick peice of shit.
That is not relaxed pose you are flexing there
so you wroteNow heres the PMsbahahahahahahahahhahaahh aa
So the pMs clearly show I didd not admit to using via PM
Which makes you a liar yet again
Wake up OTH , you are a fucking liar through and through.
I dont claim natural because it creates argument and if I am not in a position to use anything for personal reasons, thats why I dont discus it numbnuts.
You thick peice of shit.
oh the irony.LMAO :D
Seek mental help. Now!
I am not kidding.
bahahahahahahahahhahaahh aayep ,you lied again in yet another post, I dont expect the lap dogs here to pick you up on it though, bum chums one and all.
lloloollololllololoollo
ROTFLMAO, SURE, OF COURSE, SHIT I HAD IT WRONG THE WHOLE TIME, LMAO BAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA
;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D :D ;D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
lol flexing what?Looked better than you ever have onstage you lying piece of shit.
look at his chest- how does he make it sink in like that? great shoulder cap too :D
great torso there too. fuck if I looked like this I'd start working out. and he's juiced? haha no wonder he says he's natty at least he has an excuse for looking like shit. :D
Hey jeff, you look good mate. I really do mean it, you look fantastic, especially considering your age.I already knew that thanks, I dont need validation from a forum full of non-bodybuilders and bathroom mirror boys.
Do you feel better now?
Hey jeff, you look good mate. I really do mean it, you look fantastic, especially considering your age.
Do you feel better now?
I already knew that thanks, I dont need validation from a forum full of non-bodybuilders and bathroom mirror boys.hmmmm, you are right you do not, just curious, why do you put 63 pics up every single day then, you my friend have broken the record for the most pics posted of himself in the history of getbig, :D
you do realise that 'Trolling' means dropping the odd provocative post here and there to garner a response, not 'battling' with another getbigger until you haven't washed for 2 days, surving only on ritalin and diet dr pepper, until you finally 'reveal' you were just 'trolling' them.
I wrote this in the other thread but I will copy and paste here cause it is so dam funny :D...........
Imagine that, waking up to make his rounds of meltdown on 16 different forums before he can finally eat breakfast.
lmao because he is sooooo predictable, my tactic worked.
See jeff this was planned ahead of time, I have been getting pms from the whole world asking why I bite to your trolling and I tell them cause my 5 minutes of posting causes you to meldown about me on 16 different threads and keeps you in front of the computer for 24 hours straight without skipping a beat, in the meantime I am gone on a day trip to Canadas wonderland with my family, gone on air balloon ride and even gone fishing, while poor old 50 year old jeff is withering away behind his 1998 computer. Grin Grin Grin
Who gives a fuck what you have been doing.
Did you take all your chicken fillet with you,you sad twat?
hahahaha he wont recover. possibly the greatest meltdown king of all time.
I wrote this in the other thread but I will copy and paste here cause it is so dam funny :D...........
Imagine that, waking up to make his rounds of meltdown on 16 different forums before he can finally eat breakfast.
lmao because he is sooooo predictable, my tactic worked.
See jeff this was planned ahead of time, I have been getting pms from the whole world asking why I bite to your trolling and I tell them cause my 5 minutes of posting causes you to meldown about me on 16 different threads and keeps you in front of the computer for 24 hours straight without skipping a beat, in the meantime I am gone on a day trip to Canadas wonderland with my family, gone on air balloon ride and even gone fishing, while poor old 50 year old jeff is withering away behind his 1998 computer. Grin Grin Grin
I notice you avoided to say if you took your chicken with you.
hahahaha he wont recover. possibly the greatest meltdown king of all time.
:DI have amended posts for spelling errors, I have never deleted a post.
i see beth erased his apocalyptic anger induced meltdown about 'grrr blah blah blah ggrrrrrr trolling the fuck out of you guys'
hahahaha what a nonce. he puts a lot of effort into correcting and deleting posts after hes made them. so much for 'just trolling'
I have amended posts for spelling errors, I have never deleted a post.
Another lying twat.
Oh and the comment about my torso, take a look at your own you wide hipped prick.
I have a better tapered waist than you.
Im just carrying a bit more weight around the waist in my pic.
You cant alter you shitty bone structure mate.
I wrote this in the other thread but I will copy and paste here cause it is so dam funny :D...........did you have your kids in the air ballon ride? Im planning to do it in 2 weeks with my daughter
Imagine that, waking up to make his rounds of meltdown on 16 different forums before he can finally eat breakfast.
lmao because he is sooooo predictable, my tactic worked.
See jeff this was planned ahead of time, I have been getting pms from the whole world asking why I bite to your trolling and I tell them cause my 5 minutes of posting causes you to meldown about me on 16 different threads and keeps you in front of the computer for 24 hours straight without skipping a beat, in the meantime I am gone on a day trip to Canadas wonderland with my family, gone on air balloon ride and even gone fishing, while poor old 50 year old jeff is withering away behind his 1998 computer. Grin Grin Grin
Here are 3 pm's and BTW everyone, UKjeff gave me permission to post these PM's. If he did not give me permission I would not.You see, its completely ok to post pm's when the author gives you permission.
PM # 1
Hello mate
Im not in a position to discuss gear on an open forum, or even here for that matter.
Im not going to confirm or deny if I use or not.
Its for personal reasons, I'm not being an arse or anything its just I simply cant discuss it.
This one technically does not admit it but one can conclude that a natural would simply never in a million years say ''its just I simply cant discuss it.''
pm#2
Thanks for that.
Its not that I don't want to talk about it, I simply cant.
Again, read between the lines, he is saying he can not discuss it. now the third one is clear and cut.
PM#3
Nah, dont worry about it mate, no harm done, I could have responded in the thread but it would just encourage others, I just pm if people ask.
Bigmc is already aware.
Oh but but but..... that does not mean I am admitting it, it just means I can not discuss it, you jerks, I don't do juice goddammit, leave me alone I am a 50 year natural, :'( :'( :'( :'(... I am clean, why else would I be able not to talk about it--- ukjeff
lmao, scum filthy juice head claiming natural.
Now here is the funniest thing ever. Why on God's green earth would someone deny juice, when they are anonymous anyway ??? ???
remember guys it is for personal reasons ::)
You see, its completely ok to post pm's when the author gives you permission.Actually, it's not. PM is PM. Doesn't hit the board. :)
Actually, it's not. PM is PM. Doesn't hit the board. :)I have PMs from some of the most two faced twats you could imagine ;D , I would never post them though, its morally wrong.
Hey Jeff,
I've been away for a day. Coming back here, curious about the new adventures of Mr.3%, I see they quickly changed the subject.
They talk about some kind of meltdown of you. I've been searching but I can't find it. Did they delete it?
I have PMs from some of the most two faced twats you could imagine ;D , I would never post them though, its morally wrong.
You are approaching schizzo levels of beta maleness. Seriously.That wouldn't be such a bad thing. I am a legend around here.
You are approaching schizzo levels of beta maleness. Seriously.define alpha male in the context of this forum.
Nothing new that means. Boring...
define alpha male in the context of this forum.
Knew you couldnt you dumb fucker.
Pretty much the opposite of everything you do.
I suppose I could be nice to him again, he has the attention span of a goldfish, he has been my friend and my foe on several occasions already.
Damn. I really was hoping he would post some other 3%paintingspics.
I already called the guys at the gym to say that tomorrow I would show them something really funny.
Can't you ask him nicely? Say that you admire him, you want to be like him, that he inspires you, or some other unbelievable BS.
DO IT! Warn me when he comes back in.
He's still trying to work out why I want to know if he took all his chicken with him when he took his family on a day out hot air ballooning.Jeffley, both of you are proven men of the iron game. Stop talking shit about my boy OTH. I like both of you, but do not force me to make a choice :-\ I have the pull to blacklist people from getbig. We can all coexist.
Im pretty sure he wont work it out and come back and make a prick of himself again.
Anyone else work out how he has backed himself into a "no win" situation regardless of how he answers? ;)
OK...I will keep a low profile for a while. ;)
SHHHHHHHTTTTTT! Keep down, or even he won't believe that you're serious when you act nice to him. Let's wait...
OK Jeff, I know you're a shy guy, so I'll do it for you.
This is him! Really, I swear! I was there! I don't remember exactly which competition it was, something local, but hey, long time ago.
Of course not 3% as OTH and arms a little less massive, but you have to admit that it wasn't bad at all.
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100% because I was there and that's Joe Weider raising Dorian's hand.
You're sure??
uk did u post pic holding trophy on stage?or did u get 'peeled'in top shape for a photoshoot to show ur ripped glutes?Yes, I have posted shots of me onstage at a real competition.(Can I have my Blue stars now Ron?)
Yes, I have posted shots of me onstage at a real competition.(Can I have my Blue stars now Ron?)Lmao, smooooooooooooth as shit, for stage, that is fucken dam right just smooth.
Heres another
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I have PMs from some of the most two faced twats you could imagine ;D , I would never post them though, its morally wrong.
Yes, I have posted shots of me onstage at a real competition.(Can I have my Blue stars now Ron?)
Heres another
(http://s21.postimg.org/q6blw06p3/mmmmm.jpg)
Correct, shall we compare it to when you competed?
Your'e the guy on the right with the 14 inch arms sticking his ass out like a homo...right?
Lmao, smooooooooooooth as shit, for stage, that is fucken dam right just smooth.
Now my 5 minutes of posting will cause another 24 hour meltdown.. ;D ;D ;D
peaked biceps can look like shit
dennis wolf type bicep look mor massif and strongue
I have the pull to blacklist people from getbig. We can all coexist.You couldn't blacklist yourself if you tried.
will do, just have to upload them, but maybe tomoro, as im busy cleaning my cave of love, some lady is coming over later.
@jeff:yeah im still decideing whether to deplete or carb ub for the pic,and must shave first ;D
but 1 thing, no way thats a relaxed pose from you there, thats bbuilding stage relaxed, ie half tight, therefore, mine will be too,truly relaxed means guts out,shoulders hanging down etc,theres no way id post such a pic lol ;D
yes, standing "relaxed", on stage that still means everything kept tight,just not fully flexed, truly relaxed is when asleep,had to defend chaos there a bit :D
You couldn't blacklist yourself if you tried.You are quite the guilty pleasure Chaos. A rare mix of gay biker and thespian thinker. Brilliant.
You couldn't blacklist yourself if you tried.
I think he meant BlackoutYou are hilarious. Thank god you still aren't in prison.
You are hilarious. Thank god you still aren't in prison.
Awww... I hurt his little feelings again :'(I was actually being serious. I always enjoy your posts.
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somebody asked for biceps shot
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and the legs
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those arent so new, few months, but it all still loks same pretty much, so yeah ,still carrying the shredded at all times torch 8)
as for noone, 6-7% is still shredded enough, 7being the upper end of things.6,9 is still good enough ;D
(http://i817.photobucket.com/albums/zz93/damir55/20130825_191627_zps0875c420.jpg) (http://s817.photobucket.com/user/damir55/media/20130825_191627_zps0875c420.jpg.html)Brutal George Washington denture face, posing in an all white padded cell.
back in May...
back in May...:o NOW THAT IS ONE HELL OF A PHYSIQUE.
bw i gained some 5lbs from thehghadvanced supplements and better diet, without even trying.tried to lose weight, but gained anyway.
not sure how much is muscle,it feels like its all in the bloaty face.
something dj181 could only dream of
i even turned it sideways and around to check before giving it the "ready" ;D
fuck, i dont know in inch, something bit over 80cm with empty stomach sucked in.
long torso,i know i know, but as promised, most unforgiving postition pic was posted.
the long torso comes with benefits and negatives,im all happy, cept high lats a bit, but oh well
back in May...
Great etc. but looks totally unhealthy. You look dry everywhere like fuck but your face is bloated in strange way. Let me guess, a lot of tren and test?Unhealthy?
Great etc. but looks totally unhealthy. You look dry everywhere like fuck but your face is bloated in strange way. Let me guess, a lot of tren and test?Great etc but you look like a fag with your overblown legs and tiny arms. Let me guess, a hero in the squat rack?
Great etc but you look like a fag with your overblown legs and tiny arms. Let me guess, a hero in the squat rack?
agreed, my biceps vein is almost bigger than your upper chest ;D
He has great structure tho, one of best on this board. You have to admit that ukbeth destroys everyone here when it comes to genes, he just never achieved his full potential.
Dieting with so many carbs proves my point, I would be obese if I ate as much as he does.
It just didnt matter that much to me at the time.
I was happy with how far I went, still am.
Yes, that's why you post on getbig 24/7 stalking half of the board, in particular those who look good including:What has me posting on getbig got to do with me quitting competing back in 1996?
OTH
Galeniko
no one?
What has me posting on getbig got to do with me quitting competing back in 1996?
Everything.Another getbig brainbox
Another getbig brainbox
Fuck me this sites full of fucking dimwits.
You're 50. I'm 23. I have degree and well-paid, respectable job. You spend days typing on GB in your mom's basement, living the "glory" of your past self and get MAD AS FUCK whenever someone tries to tell you your past self wasn't as great as you think it was.Im 48 have a very well paid and very responsible job, I idle away a bit of time here when I get bored and wind up gullible assholes like yourself.
Oh yeah, I'm so dumb.
He has great structure tho, one of best on this board.Now i have upset you its slag me off time,
Im 48 have a very well paid and very responsible job, I idle away a bit of time here when I get bored and wind up gullible assholes like yourself.
My past self wasnt as great as i think it was?
Its just you who has been saying, what was it..oh yes Now i have upset you its slag me off time,
Typical getbigger through and through, get to fuck you stupid tool.
Another getbig brainbox
Fuck me this sites full of fucking dimwits.
lol whnever i see the tsar bomba i got to chuckle.;D
oth went and picked the biggest nuke out there,lol.
(http://s13.postimg.org/yiggp7f7r/bassssssss.jpg)WTF I just notice this, is this a fucken joke, 2 of Jeff's arms can fit in 1 of Galenikos ???
:o
I think KOHL's posts are being deleted by mods.OH really ???
lol ;Dbro what was he thinking ???
ill comment on this later,i find it interesting comparo indeed.
:D
i kinda liked him, but when he said one cant get into the 4%s without gh, it was dead give away hes coming from gh15 boarding.
bro what was he thinking ???to his credit that is a good build and for 48 even more credit,let 1996 be where it was and keep current look as icing on the cake.
he has wide hips, not a stream line waist like yours, not to mention you stay leaner year round then he has even reached for a split second, wow, what delusional character.
flat chest, no shoulder, skinny arms, maybe he is natural :-\ :-\
lol ;D
ill comment on this later,i find it interesting comparo indeed.
:D
i kinda liked him, but when he said one cant get into the 4%s without gh, it was dead give away hes coming from gh15 boarding.
yes, has phenomenal structure, symetry.
but damn,jeff, have you ever heard of mt2 ;D
the stuff has some interesting porperties beyond the free tanning.
i dont know, but here customs will let through order of up to 4 vials.
but it should be quite widspread anwhere i think.
yeah horny, and its quite immediately, hunger and apetite supressant, od on that and every other apetite killer becomes a joke compared to it.
i think only mt2 is around anymore.i mean the tanning property alone is worth it.
and cheap.will make the stomach shooting area look like a warzomne though.
very very long half life,once tan, a shot every few weeks will keep the tan.
interesting point,the pinning, sometimes it hurts so badly it almost knocks you out, sometimes you feel nothing.
this is ofc,all anectodal hearsay ;D
fuck, i dont even know how much is in 1 vial.
1 vial someting like 10 shots.
haha i know of ppl who used 1 vial 2 shots haha and they puked for the next 24hrs ;D
its bit complicated, have to load up a bit when starting, after 3-4 days, tan suddenly comes out of nowehere, from there you can go into maintenacne mode or further daily shots until you happy.
but even for loading at first i think eod would be fine.
again, no idea how much is in a vial, just make it 10 shots,a nd should be fine.
Let's put some things clear:
I never hid that I also have an account there. As hundreds of other Getbiggers! I had a Getbig account before I registered there.
I've been mocking Mr.3% since long. They're now using that "takeover" thing to shut me up, because it was getting too painful to see how Mr.3%, the big housecoach, was melting down like a snowman that's pissed on.
If one of you can remember one of my erased posts that was spamming for you-know-who, then speak up.
I run behind NOBODY and decline for NOBODY. Can't help it that "he" says things I also think. And Whitewidow thinks the same by the way.
Those who accuse others of politics are themselves doing politics. Mr.3% is a coward and a crybaby. After he got owned big time he went crying to the mods and begged them to delete my posts because he wasn't able to defend himself anymore. And then that coward comes back here acting surprised and suggesting that I deleted my own posts myself. Why the hell would I do that?
Don't think you're on a free forum. You can only say what's politically correct. The censor is everywhere, reading your mailbox and deleting posts, even when you don't notice.
Don't panic guys, I'm still there.??? lol, I honestly wish they would have kept your posts up. I swear, this is more disappointing to me that they deleted your posts then it is to you because in a few weeks I was going to say in your face but with your posts gone now I can not quote you,
I have to be more carefull now, if I mock Mr.3% too much he goes crying and they delete my posts. Freedom of speech!
By the way Galeniko, don't believe everything they tell you.
ok here we go ;Ddam gal, you fucken killed it bro, this post alone will keep jeff up for days, fuck he is going to be on a rampage when he gets back. I mean he finally past out, can`t blame the guy since he has been posting non stop for 3 days straight, fuck got to hand it to him though, in front of the computer for 3 days without sleeping :o
tan: galeniko wins easy
traps:ok, this goes to jeff,i could have flexed them more upwards a bit, but theres no excuses.
nipples:galenikos are bigger
waist:shorter torso on jeff, but looks wider thanmine,which is more streamlined.both have positive and negativve aspects.
abs: look navel area, my navel looks like the abs press against it, jeffs looks like a 1incg deep hole :D that area under ,y navel is not some stubborn fat, its simply the lowest part of abs dont know the name of the muscle,the one coming from groin area.
chest:nevermind the right one on me the flexed one, but lets look at the relaxed and strechted left one, looks bit thicker from top to down than jeffs.upper chest im filled thickly all the way to the neck bones.
shoulders: betr tie in to chest and arms on me, my side shoulder head doesnt go out as much as jeffs, and his front shoulder part is thicker than mine.
arms, biceps, gal having thumb-thick python vein,and the small ones popping out sideways on inner viceps and going all around the arms, all the way to triceps, think the biceps is a non contest, and the triceps, galeniko trademark, look at it,even at this angle,it pops out sideways.i think triceps goes to me.
forearms:mine look like they can lift heavier,and longer muscle bellies, looks like the fibers start right the wrist and already thick there.
infact, maybe jeffs arms should be compared to my forearms ;D
am i seeing things?is the twilight zoning dieting blurring my view?or was that a fair and neutral comparo ;D
thanks borther, they have between quads and hams area,from the side,i swear its some long cuts deep almost an inch.
if i told you how i train them youd laugh.
I went crying to the mods ??? ???
Let's put some things clear:
I never hid that I also have an account there. As hundreds of other Getbiggers! I had a Getbig account before I registered there.
I've been mocking Mr.3% since long. They're now using that "takeover" thing to shut me up, because it was getting too painful to see how Mr.3%, the big housecoach, was melting down like a snowman that's pissed on.
If one of you can remember one of my erased posts that was spamming for you-know-who, then speak up.
I run behind NOBODY and decline for NOBODY. Can't help it that "he" says things I also think. And Whitewidow thinks the same by the way.
Those who accuse others of politics are themselves doing politics. Mr.3% is a coward and a crybaby. After he got owned big time he went crying to the mods and begged them to delete my posts because he wasn't able to defend himself anymore. And then that coward comes back here acting surprised and suggesting that I deleted my own posts myself. Why the hell would I do that?
Don't think you're on a free forum. You can only say what's politically correct. The censor is everywhere, reading your mailbox and deleting posts, even when you don't notice.
WTF I just notice this, is this a fucken joke, 2 of Jeff's arms can fit in 1 of Galenikos ???
Actually fuck me both sides of jeff's chest is the size of one of gal's chest
Then absolutely zero caps on jeff, bro do you even train shoulder.
Look at Gal's caps, don't even get me started on the separation.
Then the shallow surface cuts on jeff, while gal's are mega deep, deep lines
wow, to much to go one but fuck I have to mention the cable size veins on gal's physique versus those dinky noodles for veins on jeff.
This is a round one knock out with a ..................
FLAWLESS VICTORY
Let's put some things clear:
I never hid that I also have an account there. As hundreds of other Getbiggers! I had a Getbig account before I registered there.
I've been mocking Mr.3% since long. They're now using that "takeover" thing to shut me up, because it was getting too painful to see how Mr.3%, the big housecoach, was melting down like a snowman that's pissed on.
If one of you can remember one of my erased posts that was spamming for you-know-who, then speak up.
I run behind NOBODY and decline for NOBODY. Can't help it that "he" says things I also think. And Whitewidow thinks the same by the way.
Those who accuse others of politics are themselves doing politics. Mr.3% is a coward and a crybaby. After he got owned big time he went crying to the mods and begged them to delete my posts because he wasn't able to defend himself anymore. And then that coward comes back here acting surprised and suggesting that I deleted my own posts myself. Why the hell would I do that?
Don't think you're on a free forum. You can only say what's politically correct. The censor is everywhere, reading your mailbox and deleting posts, even when you don't notice.
thats two threads of yours I have had taken down.
;)
I thought you had some pull on here?
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
now hes pm'ing me this shit. so much for just trolling. this just became stalking.
what kind of fucking loser are you anyway?
its one thing to run your mouth on the board.
dont ever fucking pm me.
fuck, i dont even know how much is in 1 vial.best thing is it makes girls horny
1 vial someting like 10 shots.
haha i know of ppl who used 1 vial 2 shots haha and they puked for the next 24hrs ;D
its bit complicated, have to load up a bit when starting, after 3-4 days, tan suddenly comes out of nowehere, from there you can go into maintenacne mode or further daily shots until you happy.
but even for loading at first i think eod would be fine.
again, no idea how much is in a vial, just make it 10 shots,a nd should be fine.
You shouldn't post lies on the board trying to make yourself out to be something you're not, creating a showdown scenario where you singlehandedly take on all GH15s men ::) in your romper suit just because people were not talking about about you for a change.
Dont worry though mate I will make sure people are talking about you a little more often if you like.
You may not enjoy it though. ;)
why did Gh15 ban you? talk to bustinass you need to go back to that forum. Nobody wants you here! You have been beating off to OTH for the whole weekend. your one sick fuck. Please Gh15 take this sick fuck back. even Gh15 had to ban you that is how sick of a fuck you are. If I can talk them into taking you back will you stay gone?Have you not had your mod status removed yet?
why did Gh15 ban you? talk to bustinass you need to go back to that forum. Nobody wants you here! You have been beating off to OTH for the whole weekend. your one sick fuck. Please Gh15 take this sick fuck back. even Gh15 had to ban you that is how sick of a fuck you are. If I can talk them into taking you back will you stay gone?
I went crying to the mods ??? ???MELTDOWN.
REALLY, LMAO.
MODS LISTEN UP PLEASE, TELL EVERYONE HERE IF I WENT CRYING TO YOU GUYS, ANY MOD, PLEASE, PLEASE LET EVERYONE HERE KNOW ABOUT ANY OF MY COMPLAINS I GIVE YOU GUYS THE OK.
ANYTHING I CRIED TO YOU GUYS ABOUT, SAY IT HERE NOW.
KOHL YOU FUCKEN CLOWN, I NEVER WENT TO NO MODS, THIS IS FALSE SPECULATION ON YOUR BEHALVE,
EVERYONE ON GETBIG, IF IT TURNS UP THAT I AM LYING ABOUT WHAT HE IS FALSELY ACCUSING ME OF, I WILL LEAVE GETBIG FOREVER.
LOL, I WENT CRYING TO THE MODS, ::) PLEASE.
As for you spamming the board with the other sites BS is a fucken understatement, you posting like if you were suc..ing their dic/s
agreed with banning him. he'sruining the board.exposing me as lying douchbag and fucking idiot.
Am I the only one who prefers Jeffley's look to Galeniko's? I think Jeff's got better size and structure. This is coming from a guy who knows a thing or two about the iron game.
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Have you not had your mod status removed yet?
Am I the only one who prefers Jeffley's look to Galeniko's? I think Jeff's got better size and structure. This is coming from a guy who knows a thing or two about the iron game.
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2e5igq9.png)
I say what I feel/want on here. I do not do it to back up friends or side with people I like. Gal looks very flat in his recent photos.
Am I the only one who prefers Jeffley's look to Galeniko's? I think Jeff's got better size and structure. This is coming from a guy who knows a thing or two about the iron game.
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2e5igq9.png)
You guys must be on crack to honestly say that Galeniko looks better then Jeffley in this pic. Jeff looks like he has got more quality muscle. He is wider than Gal too. Waistline looks more compact compared to gals long torso. Jeffley has a more powerful looking, and structurally balanced physique than Galeniko.
The difference is that my opinion has nothing to do with what I think of them as posters.
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you dont even trainOuted. I have already given the board glimpses of my twin albino pythons. You should feel lucky to have even seen that.
post a shirtless pic of you next to gals
the diference will be astonishing to behold
Thats just it shizzo, anyone who knows anything about real bodybuilding look past the overdeveloped body parts and striking bathroom mirror condition and take time to appreciate the well thought out physiques that real bodybuilders strive to achieve.
Its about the balance and flow to a physique that at first glance looks nothing special, its because it doesn't have overly developed body parts that jump in your face, the real sign of an unbalanced physique.
My physique is proportionally developed from head to toe, with one body part flowing into the next, its pleasing to the eye.
The reason these guys here pick holes in me is because they only really know what a bathroom mirror shot is.
They have never been to a bodybuilding show let alone entered one, why should I care what uneducated jerks say about my physique?
hahahaha hollleeee fuck!!! I just figured out what your problem is bro- your on drugs! :D
my physique is proportionally developed head to toe he says! lol well I guess that sounds better than I have a barrel torso that flows wonderfully into matchstick arms and toothpick legs. you look like a cucumber with straightened paperclips sticking out of it where the arms and legs should be ffs.
'I was judged best ass by a room full of men 20 years ago. these guys only look good in mirrors pool parties and at the beach. the missus says in look great for someone who's 48, doesnt shower cause he spends 24hrs a day on the intternet and wears jogging pants cause I'm broke'
hahaha keep setting that bar high, foodstamps! lol what a clown this guy is.
last show i ever did i did cardio right before bed. typically i'd walk for an hour around my neighbourhood. its 3am and a car pulls up. its all my buddies just coming back from the place we always go to eat after the bar. they got random broads with them. having a blast. im doing fucking cardio. to get up in a room full of other guys to flex and pose. i thought 'this aint right'.
i finished my cardio that night. i was only 2 weeks out by that point. did what i needed to do. showed up the day of the show with all my buddies in the am for the weigh in. weighed in with the rest of my class in the best shape of my life to that point and went home. didnt even get on stage. and never competed again.
first side note: two weeks later i ran into a judge who was at the weigh in. he said what happened to you. told him i didnt feel like getting on stage that day, that my 'job' was done after i weighed in- personally i only competed cause my buddies really encouraged me. i always felt weird about the whole thing.. he said i prolly would have won my class (superhvwt), if not won it, it would have been a good battle between me and the guy who did win it, and the overall.
second side note: my buddy calls me up 4 weeks later. says allmax just signed his good friend out east. the rep told this guy they had signed they had only signed one other guy- the guy who won my class and overall at my show. the rep told my buddies friend they signed the overall winner of the show because 'the big white guy' they wanted to talk to didnt come back after the weigh in.
i look back on all this and wonder often about paths not taken, and what i would have done to my body if i had tried to stay competitive. thank fucking god they stopped that night i was doing cardio.
foodstamps look better than Gal?
you two must be sharing the same pipe
the only reason I haven't addressed this 'comparison' yet is because it's not even worth stating. comparison. lol what fucking comparison? lol there's gal who has dense lean tissue and then there's ukbeth but there is nothing to compare. LOOK at the pics ffs I know you like to troll but even you can't be this stupid. lol
you and pancake tits are the only two people on the whole forum that agree with eachother.
foodstamps look better than Gal?Its my honest opinion. Galeniko looks too flat and depleted in that pic. He would look better by being bigger and fuller. Even if that means gaining a few percent.
you two must be sharing the same pipe
the only reason I haven't addressed this 'comparison' yet is because it's not even worth stating. comparison. lol what fucking comparison? lol there's gal who has dense lean tissue and then there's ukbeth but there is nothing to compare. LOOK at the pics ffs I know you like to troll but even you can't be this stupid. lol
you and pancake tits are the only two people on the whole forum that agree with eachother.
he's the only one not scared to rock the getbig lifeboat.
Thats the difference,
Keep attacking me mate, it stops people from looking at you, for now.
The tide is turning though.
Lo at your avoidance of this post
you know you have reached rock bottom when you are reaching out to shizzo for helpHelp
you started badly and its gone down hill from there
'the tide is turning'?
all one has to do is read your posts and see how much you have invested emotionally in all this Beth.
i get that to you this is all 'real life' and it's important for you to be liked.
you've got mental problems bro. and I'm enjoying watching you unravel.
Help
I haven't asked anyone for help.
Why dont you post another of your pictures in a relaxed pose like mine and gals and we can add you to the comparison?
Quote from: no one on July 16, 2013, 03:40:42 PMLo at your avoidance of this post
last show i ever did i did cardio right before bed. typically i'd walk for an hour around my neighbourhood. its 3am and a car pulls up. its all my buddies just coming back from the place we always go to eat after the bar. they got random broads with them. having a blast. im doing fucking cardio. to get up in a room full of other guys to flex and pose. i thought 'this aint right'.
i finished my cardio that night. i was only 2 weeks out by that point. did what i needed to do. showed up the day of the show with all my buddies in the am for the weigh in. weighed in with the rest of my class in the best shape of my life to that point and went home. didnt even get on stage. and never competed again.
first side note: two weeks later i ran into a judge who was at the weigh in. he said what happened to you. told him i didnt feel like getting on stage that day, that my 'job' was done after i weighed in- personally i only competed cause my buddies really encouraged me. i always felt weird about the whole thing.. he said i prolly would have won my class (superhvwt), if not won it, it would have been a good battle between me and the guy who did win it, and the overall.
second side note: my buddy calls me up 4 weeks later. says allmax just signed his good friend out east. the rep told this guy they had signed they had only signed one other guy- the guy who won my class and overall at my show. the rep told my buddies friend they signed the overall winner of the show because 'the big white guy' they wanted to talk to didnt come back after the weigh in.
i look back on all this and wonder often about paths not taken, and what i would have done to my body if i had tried to stay competitive. thank fucking god they stopped that night i was doing cardio.
???
the fuck are you on about now?
???
the fuck are you on about now?
Your lying bullshit post above where you either bottled going onstage or it didnt fucking happen at all.
"I could have been a contender Charlie"
That post stinks to high heaven
Care to run through for us or do you want me to demolish it bit by bit?
Its been called out as bullshit by others already, you blind bud?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=485229.100
lets put it here so i can destroy you in front of all our friends, shall we?
ask your questions, milkytits. chop chop boy i havent got all day.
yes with no exception.last 2 years i been with 3 girls that started with it after met and all of them got real horny of it. No idea why it doesnt have that effect on guys. Atleast not what i heard of
was suprised to hear that too, no idea why this happens, the mehanism behind it ???
times up jeffery.
next time you'll jump a little faster next time i snap my fingers.
you lost the only opportunity to have the answer to your question thats kept you up posting and stalking me from thread to thread for the last 4 days. *sigh*. and this is what i get for being nice.
we've all got you programmed to jump like a good little boy every time we post. its been a running joke here behind you back for sometime. today your a little slow. come back next time when you can do better, cork.
lol, to put it into perspective, that is far from just standing there relaxed ;D
oh it does have the effect on guys too, but obviously cant speak for women, maybe for them its even more intense.
ill look up if i can find something why this hapens
yeah i know
i look at my best flexing like the most muscular i put up
you need to be ripped to look really good in the front standing pose
lol, to put it into perspective, that is far from just standing there relaxed ;D
oh it does have the effect on guys too, but obviously cant speak for women, maybe for them its even more intense.
ill look up if i can find something why this hapens
bro there is no comparison there. jeffery likes to take two photos and put them beside each other and say 'there- see everyone how close i am! look how close i am to you! accept me! love me! please!?' meanwhile the only person who sees how 'close' it is is him :D
irl and in pics hed look like shit standing beside anyone on this board he tries to compare himself to. hes best just left ignored.
no you dont.
(http://www.briansdriveintheater.com/bodybuilder/sreeves3.jpg)
i cant see that pic is it this oneThe grabbing the left armpit pose?
i look better in this pose than standing relaxed
The grabbing the left armpit pose?
;DThats the spirits! (pun and spelling intended)
there would be a vodka bottle in your hand
I believe thats called "the funky gibbon pose" for those old enough to remember, for those who don't
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXq8rELhUkw)
i still cant see that pic
im sure its hilarious like the rest of the stuff you write ::)
He has great structure tho, one of best on this board. You have to admit that ukbeth destroys everyone here when it comes to genes, he just never achieved his full potential.try going over 3 reps
Dieting with so many carbs proves my point, I would be obese if I ate as much as he does.
Its not a pic, its a video, I fucked up and added as an image. ;D
lol, to put it into perspective, that is far from just standing there relaxed ;Dok cool didnt know that. never tried it myself but going to do it soon
oh it does have the effect on guys too, but obviously cant speak for women, maybe for them its even more intense.
ill look up if i can find something why this hapens
lol@more powerful looking
lets ask otherwise: ;D
who carries more lean mass?
whos thicker?(physically)
whos leaner?
shameless bump.on topic, hows oth doing is the diet going well?
lol@more powerful lookingWhos fully pumped and holding his breath? ;D
lets ask otherwise: ;D
who carries more lean mass?
whos thicker?(physically)
whos leaner?
shameless bump.on topic, hows oth doing is the diet going well?
gh 15 has started a thread on his forum about these two picsI didn't know you were a member over there?
he is a bit biased against you ;D
haha, post it here,or pm me the best offs, i can laugh about myself, and will be the first to admit that his hate towards me makes him come up with the most hilarious inuslts and abuse ;D
whos put his lats out unecesarily? ;D
i didnt put them out to give chest better look,lol, about pump, i swear this is just 2-3 times full flexing before to get some bloodflow, a full pump makes me spill over, i didnt want that,that dont look so god on pics ;D
damn that looks good i forgot about that 1.everyone listen up, pay attention
yes thats truly relaxed, and slight bit fatter.
lmfao@gh15 haha "the troops" ;D
I have no reason to lie.
I must just have a deceiving look.
How big are your arms?
Serious question because they look huge.
Sorry for this shizzo but I have to tell you to go fuck yourself
Over 20 in the first pic. I was pushing 250+ and not very lean
Now they are over 19 , don't measure them every day, but they have nice separation and pop to them now and veins all over when pumped.
I'm lucky in that their natural shape just looks "big"
those are some impressive fucking arms. like pro level. and thats without the shit they pump into them.
You guys should invest in some raincoats. Wouldn't want to get the fallout from the circle jerk.
id be the firs tto compliment him.
Same here. I kill shizzo because he lowers himself to douchebag , annoying prick status. Deep down he's better than that and I would be happy to see him stop willingly play the fucking fool and become a real dude.Outed.
You are not struggling to get ripped because you are not really trying. There is a fear of losing size in order to get ripped. Mental barrier.
How I know this? Because I felt the same way and it is a common way of thinking for people who wants to be big. At some stage I was up to 280 pounds, looked big with clothes on but chubby without it.
I have decided to make a big change, to be lean and not to worry about the size at all. I am now down to 215 pounds but much happier with my look, more energy and more motivation for workouts.
Almost there where I want to be bodyfat wise and no way I would go back to pursue size.
Fitness look over bodybuilding look :D
Deep down he's better than that
The story bout going home after weight in and the rest of it was quite embarassing to read =/X2.
The story bout going home after weight in and the rest of it was quite embarassing to read =/
How was it embarrassing to read??lol did you read it?
How was it embarrassing to read??
Oh and get back on your diet pronto, you are way behind schedule.lmao, my waist is like 29 inches brother ;) and I can do a vacuum that makes my waist look smaller then my arms from the side, lol, you will see soon enough. will be back in 12 hours, don't have a nervous breakdown on the computer, kind of embarrassing for a 50 year old. :-[ :-[ :-[
I gram protein= 4 calories
1 gram carbs= 4 calories
1 gram fat= 9 calories
Getting this thread back on track.
Guys,Ya I guess its time to put the BS to rest, i am as guilty as anyone here for side tracking, but since you are putting this thread on the right track, we will keep it real, especially me.
I can't let OneTimeHard's thread get hijacked by personal feuds or other nonsense. Unless it revolves around the OTH 60-day diet, it will be removed.
"1"
too late bro ukbeth ruined the original intent of the thread and all the great info within about 40 pages ago with his bullshit.Ya that guy ;D lol, I swear :D what a character :-\ :-\
another great thread ruined to hell and beyond by our resident useless troll.
Ya that guy ;D lol, I swear :D what a character :-\ :-\8)..
Anyway, quick update no one, did not want to get super shredded, then maintain as you guys know so I have postponed everything and have kept my conditioning for the past week and half, the final sprint starts on the first of Sept and goes for 15 days straight.
What is the biggest surprise to me ever is how small my waist is, I have never had a waist this small in my life, I can not even put my belt on as I usually do at the gym cause the top of it digs into my ribs and the bottom sits above my hips as my waist goes way smaller then my hips and my ribs
I might be wrong but to me it seems that the low cal for extended periods is what has shriveled up my waist, under 30 inches. ???
Ya that guy ;D lol, I swear :D what a character :-\ :-\
Anyway, quick update no one, did not want to get super shredded, then maintain as you guys know so I have postponed everything and have kept my conditioning for the past week and half, the final sprint starts on the first of Sept and goes for 15 days straight.
What is the biggest surprise to me ever is how small my waist is, I have never had a waist this small in my life, I can not even put my belt on as I usually do at the gym cause the top of it digs into my ribs and the bottom sits above my hips as my waist goes way smaller then my hips and my ribs
I might be wrong but to me it seems that the low cal for extended periods is what has shriveled up my waist, under 30 inches. ???
yes! I had to put another notch in my belt a few weeks ago. it's the with belt I have worn for 10 years. funny you found this too- gal and I were emailing about the 'sucked in torso' we both experienced.fuck bro, this is unreal, fully vacuumed I can grab the side and squeeze my index finger with my thumb and there is like 4 inches max between my front and back.
I think it forces the body to scavange for fat stores that otherwise would go untapped on a typical 1800cal diet.
I also think that's get those classic physiques of the 70's had those wasp waists and etched lines that highlighted their definiton between muscle groups- in a severe cal deficit the body is forced to go to fat reserves it otherwise would have found untouched (or protected? given the bodies desire to hold into fat).
so much upside to ultra low cal dieting. apart from the evergy and results. it's the look it's creates. the small waist and 'definition'
it's def the low cal diet sucking that in bro. awesome. imagine how small it will be the day of? ;)
fuck bro, this is unreal, fully vacuumed I can grab the side and squeeze my index finger with my thumb and there is like 4 inches max between my front and back.
lol did you read it?
OTH is working out!
(http://i40.tinypic.com/24o7cbd.jpg)
OTH got to 2% and has been unable to move his fingers in order to type:D
Can someone PM Jim Quinn and ask if he could caliper test OTH in a couple weeks? That way we know it's a legit test...well apparently no one gives a fuck what calipers read around here so I won't even bother. You can get it to read 3 % but then people always have an argument, at the end of the day, all that doesn't matter anyway.
Can someone PM Jim Quinn and ask if he could caliper test OTH in a couple weeks? That way we know it's a legit test...I don't think he can beat the 0% that Flex registered at Gold's gym.
Almost there OTH!well as you guy know i picked the dumbest time to get shredded for fun as I run a roofing business and the last 60 days is the heart of roofing season.
why doesnt your diet contain any fruits??.. i cant live without them..
Is this a serious question bro? SUGAR
bro. i eat every day 2-3 different types of fruits beside 2 big spoons of honey and i am very lean.. your body needs them..
Im not saying you can't get lean with sugar. I'm saying it's not wise when you're prepping for a show. Hence why hardly anyone (more likely NO ONE) who competes is mowing down on fruits pre contest. This is very elementary diet info here bro...I'm not saying anything earth shattering or ground breaking.
Fructose has an interesting effect on gluconeogenesis while in ketosis....but still, calorie for calorie, you're far better off with a sweet potatoe than fruit if you choose to diet on carbs. Fruit is for children. OTH doesn't believe in carbs though and there's good argument for his methods.
without complicating things i always believe to be healthy you must eat ALL kinds of food.. it all depends on quantities and the calories you burn.. when i met nasser last feb. we talked about fruits and he too were eating them all the time..
when i was very lean in the past i was going on high protein diet with very small amounts of complex carbs but was still eating good amounts of simple carbs like fruits.. this way gives faster results but over all i was feeling weaker.. now i am lean and i feel strong because i eat good amounts of both complex and simple carbs.. i just do cardio now unlike in the past.. now after reaching a good shape i even have one or 2 full cheating on my diet days every week where i eat anything in any quantities.. i weight myself every day and look in the mirror to decide if it's ok to cheat on the diet or not..
food is one of God's greatest gifts and i see no point to prevent myself from something i like to be leaner fast,.. let it takes its time if you want a forever diet system.. not a diet for a show or to be lean for a while then to return your fats again..
That's all good and well bro but you're missing the entire point...
This gameplan is NOT about health, or a balanced lifestyle. It's about achieving a physique of 3% Bodyfat in 60 days. It's not about finding the most comfortable happy way to get there. It's about suffering for 60 days to get striations on your eye balls. It is NOT about comfort or health. And we all know it's not sustainable for more than a brief period of time.
well as you guy know i picked the dumbest time to get shredded for fun as I run a roofing business and the last 60 days is the heart of roofing season.
I was forced to withdraw from dieting twice due to workload so I lost 20 days total. NOW FRIDAY IS 60 DAYS ,... am I where I want to be? I am 7 days out.....meaning I CAN GO THROUGH 4 DAYS OF HEAVY DEPLETING FOLLOWED BY 3 DAYS OF HEAVY LOADING AND DROP THE DIURETICS AND COME EXACTLY WHERE I PLANNED.
So my dilemma is a matter of convenience and where I am is tough to sacrifice the last 7 days, especially since I AM NOT JUMPING ON STAGE.
So, I TOOK SOME MEASUREMENTS TODAY AND CAME UP WITH FOLLOWING;
I am 201lb, and calipers read 4.5 % BODYFAT, WETHER I AM 4% OR NOT, WHO GIVES A FUCK, THAT'S WHAT THE DAM THING READ.
I WILL TAKE PICS ON FRIDAY BECAUSE I AM A MAN OF MY WORD AND I WILL FALL SHORT OF 1% BODYFAT OR 3LB, WHATEVER, BUT THAT IS ALL I CAN MUSTER AT THE MOMENT.
AM I HAPPY? FUCK YA, i haven't been here in 5 years and I AM STAGE READY, THIS IS THE FASTEST RESULTS I HAVE EVER HAD MY WHOLE LIFE.
PICS WILL NOT INCLUDE ANY LOADING, ANY DIURETICS OR NOTHING, JUST A BASIC DAY IN VERY LOW LEVEL BODYFAT MODE, NOTHING FANCY, i am still working and am going out for the weekend so just a basic day with regular pics.
Friday is 60 days ;)
Lotion....check
Kleenex......check
Calluses smoothed.....check
Waiting anxiously....... :P
bro. i eat every day 2-3 different types of fruits beside 2 big spoons of honey and i am very lean.. your body needs them..
What nutrients are there in fruit that you can't get from lower carb veggies?
OTH did you post pics yet? what are you waiting for bro?
He said he would post them friday.
be real bro
^^ you forgot to put that in your post so I added it for you.
I Have been taking pics but they all look like shit because I am on zero carbs so I have to get some meals in, other wise I have loose skin, when I get 500 grams of carbs then the loose skin goes away, well the muscle fills into the skin.
Here is an example of me from LAST FRIDAY, I WEIGHED 204
HERE. zero carbs and my muscles are flat, hence the loose skin.
THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR THE SUPPORT, GETBIG FOR LIFE ;)
I Have been taking pics but they all look like shit because I am on zero carbs so I have to get some meals in, other wise I have loose skin, when I get 500 grams of carbs then the loose skin goes away, well the muscle fills into the skin.loose skin in your early thirties isn't a good sign for the future
Here is an example of me from LAST FRIDAY, I WEIGHED 204
HERE. zero carbs and my muscles are flat, hence the loose skin.
THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR THE SUPPORT, GETBIG FOR LIFE ;)
loose skin in your early thirties isn't a good sign for the futureIF YOU WERE PAYING ATTENTION INSTEAD OF BEING A DICKHEAD :-[ YOU WOULD KNOW THAT I DIETED A TOTAL OF 40 DAYS AND TOOK 20 DAYS OFF AND ATE LIKE A PIG IN THOSE 20 DAYS.
And tbh with your workload and diet you should have been ready I thirty days
12 hours a day on a roof on 11,000 cals a week and anyone would have ripped glutes
IF YOU WERE PAYING ATTENTION INSTEAD OF BEING A DICKHEAD :-[ YOU WOULD KNOW THAT I DIETED A TOTAL OF 40 DAYS AND TOOK 20 DAYS OFF AND ATE LIKE A PIG IN THOSE 20 DAYS.So what you are really saying is "go easy on me guys becuse I fucked up and dont have the ripped glutes I said I was going to have"?
I LOST 46LB IN 40 DAYS AND YOU ARE COMPLAINING ???? WTF ARE YOU RETARDED? :D
ALSO, I HAVE NO LOOSE SKIN ANYWHERE, THAT IS LOOSE SKIN FROM HAVING ZERO GLYCOGEN, WHEN THE CARBS COME IN THE SKIN WILL BE NOT ONLY FIRM BUT SHRINK WRAPPED NICELY. ;)
So what you are really saying is "go easy on me guys becuse I fucked up and dont have the ripped glutes I said I was going to have"?Oh I have ripped glutes, trust me I do. AND YES STRIATED, jealousy is a bitch :'(
we will be the judge of that. not you.NOPE, You are the last person I care who sees my pics, in fact just so you know I DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOU, I WILL NOT POST ANY GLUTE SHOTS.
NOPE, You are the last person I care who sees my pics, in fact just so you know I DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOU, I WILL NOT POST ANY GLUTE SHOTS.
I rather you be left chasing the wind since I live in your mind 24 hours a day. So pics may be sent of my striated glutes to no one, gal, and a few others and you can choose to take their word for it or not, but truthfully I can care less
Jeff you ain't half an asshole.But which half?
I know Jeff is trolling and has gotten a bit out of hand lately, but he does have a certain point about killing yourself to get the results you have gotten. I would much rather not get out of shape in the first place. This is how my abs look under shitty light, unshaven, and 300 grams of carbs per day. No need to go to such extremes and be miserable brother.
(http://s21.postimg.org/l9gjscx4n/2013_03_26_13_14_10.jpg)
I know Jeff is trolling and has gotten a bit out of hand lately, but he does have a certain point about killing yourself to get the results you have gotten. I would much rather not get out of shape in the first place. This is how my abs look under shitty light, unshaven, and 300 grams of carbs per day. No need to go to such extremes and be miserable brother.
(http://s21.postimg.org/l9gjscx4n/2013_03_26_13_14_10.jpg)
very good brother, i get the lose skin too,but only when abs are sucked in.RIPPENEKO...SOLID.
(http://i817.photobucket.com/albums/zz93/damir55/20130910_035152_zps8fd86c49.jpg) (http://s817.photobucket.com/user/damir55/media/20130910_035152_zps8fd86c49.jpg.html)
(http://i817.photobucket.com/albums/zz93/damir55/20130911_011827_zpsf60408c5.jpg) (http://s817.photobucket.com/user/damir55/media/20130911_011827_zpsf60408c5.jpg.html)
:D
UK BACK IN TRUE FORM..
great abs none the lessnever gonna let that one go are you. ;D
I am 31 (almost 32) and never developed any chest hair :-\ I think I am one ankle grab away from being a woman.'ONE ???...
'ONE ???...I have never grabbed my ankles before ;)
Do you guys think that the lack of chest hair/body hair, signals lower than normal test production?your like a shar-pei does that dog seem effeminate to you?
Do you guys think that the lack of chest hair/body hair, signals lower than normal test production?
your like a shar-pei does that dog seem effeminate to you?No. It screams hairless alpha.
In your case, yes. This is what it means. Another sign is your boobs and clit sized penis.lol!!! This might be your best post ever. You are starting to get it. Roll with the punches, and keep it short and sweet.
No. It screams hairless alpha.what do want to be?or perceived to be.
(http://www.westminsterkennelclub.org/breedinformation/non-sporting/images/sharpei.jpg)
what do want to be?or perceived to be.A good man. Muscle does not make the man. It is a welcome bonus.
A good man. Muscle does not make the man. It is a welcome bonus.THANKFULLY ,I'VE HAD BOTH TAGS .
THANKFULLY ,I'VE HAD BOTH TAGS .YLLS.
It's telling Jeff doesn't post on getbig for a week or two but the SECOND onetimehard posts pics, he's there to comment.;D
Probably checks this thread 5x a day
;D
its all good.
THE POINT OF THE DIET WAS SPEED.
I LOST 46LB OF FAT IN 40 DAYS OF ACTUAL DIETING, THAT IS AN AVERAGE OF WELL OVER A LB OF FAT A DAY EVERYDAY AND UKJEFF SAYS IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE FASTER, LMAO, TALK ABOUT MY BIGGEST FAN :D
IMO, this is a confirmation of Gal's strategy of getting the serious dieting over with quickly. A regular guy who has accumulated a middle age spread over the the course of ten years can lose it in a month, and then transition to a maintenance program.PRECISELY ;)
;D
its all good.
THE POINT OF THE DIET WAS SPEED.
I LOST 46LB OF FAT IN 40 DAYS OF ACTUAL DIETING, THAT IS AN AVERAGE OF WELL OVER A LB OF FAT A DAY EVERYDAY AND UKJEFF SAYS IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE FASTER, LMAO, TALK ABOUT MY BIGGEST FAN :D
No you didn't, go and read your threadYOU ARE TELLING ME WHAT I DIDN'T DO ??? OH YOU WERE WITH ME THE WHOLE TIME RIGHT ::)
YOU ARE TELLING ME WHAT I DIDN'T DO ??? OH YOU WERE WITH ME THE WHOLE TIME RIGHT ::)Boom!!!!
HAHA The 50 year old troll is bothered by my results, 46lb in exactly 40 days of dieting. GO FIND SOMETHING TO DO BRO, LIFE IS TO SHORT ;) get over it.
NOW....
I am not working today, off my diet now, in fact I had some chocolate chip pancakes this morning and just had 2 double bigmacs, oh and I have not had alcohol in 2 months so I PULLED A SHIZZO, LOL, I HAD 4 BEERS ;D
Now going to eat 4 oreo ice cream sandwiches and then a nap for an hour then gym and then I TAKE SOME PICS FOR YOU GUYS.
excuses excuses. post pics now you fucken pussy. none of this artificial gym pump bullshit! :D :DEXCUSES ??? WTF are you talking about you fucken little bitch, who the fuck is making excuse ? no excuse from me I SAID 60 DAYS AND THAT IS TODAY YOU RETARD. so relax you homo ;D
ukjeff, the guy in your avatar, does he even lift?
Boom!!!!:D ;)
he wants bit carbo loading before pics and a pump, all good, tonight is the night. :Dpump and carbs is good enough for me, no diuretics though cause I have to set trophies, stage tonight and have a long day tomorrow so need to be fully functional, long weekend ahead.
EXCUSES ??? WTF are you talking about you fucken little bitch, who the fuck is making excuse ? no excuse from me I SAID 60 DAYS AND THAT IS TODAY YOU RETARD. so relax you homo ;D
cock in hand just waiting for the pics honey... :-*;D ;D ;D
YOU ARE TELLING ME WHAT I DIDN'T DO ??? OH YOU WERE WITH ME THE WHOLE TIME RIGHT ::)
HAHA The 50 year old troll is bothered by my results, 46lb in exactly 40 days of dieting. GO FIND SOMETHING TO DO BRO, LIFE IS TO SHORT ;) get over it.
NOW....
I am not working today, off my diet now, in fact I had some chocolate chip pancakes this morning and just had 2 double bigmacs, oh and I have not had alcohol in 2 months so I PULLED A SHIZZO, LOL, I HAD 4 BEERS ;D
Now going to eat 4 oreo ice cream sandwiches and then a nap for an hour then gym and then I TAKE SOME PICS FOR YOU GUYS.
pics are done finally, i am running late though, have to drive for an hour and check into my hotel so you fuckers have to wait a few hours :P
i weighed in at 206lb, i was 200lb at my lowest 2 days ago, but loading today added a nice quality hard 5lb of solid glycogen, filled me out very nicely, I AM HAPPY.
8)
You were 245 when you started dieting and you think you lost 45lbs of fat in getting down to 200?
What about the 15 to 20lb of water you daft twat?
Or are you saying you were not carrying any water at all?
It would have helped people appreciate what you have done if you had posted before and after pics as requested a few times in the thread.
Now we have nothing but your final photos to go off, and TBH you could have been 10lb over stage weight 60 days ago when you started for all we know.
Quick up date;
I started at 246before a diuretic, and after a diuretic on the first day and working outside in the inferno heat on a roof I menage to hit 235 (dehydrated). Ever since I have been fluctuating up and down due to sweating a lot of water out at work.
So yesterday my low was 233 and my high was 239. I am so consistent and precise with everything that it is more then safe to say the 240`s are gone, i will not see them again.
Next step is to leave the 230`s within 10 days. Once I introduce the other compounds I will have another sudden drop from letting go of bloat. Bringing them in on Tuesday.
Old schmo lying in wait maybe?
could be getting some deep tissue massage from tbombz ;DYep, epic shadow filled photos, fully oiled and shaved.
chill guys be patient let the guy take his time to choose 5 out of 1000 of his pics to be posted here
You did say you were similar to this when you started dieting, looks like a lot of water to me.
And also if you have lost 45lbs of fat and no water your BF% must have been up at 20% plus.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=447474.0;attach=491803;image)
This guy is 35 pounds from stage weight.I think slightly more but I wont split hairs.
Pics ...1% Bodyfat.
My lotion is drying up, where are the pics?
IF YOU WERE PAYING ATTENTION INSTEAD OF BEING A DICKHEAD :-[ YOU WOULD KNOW THAT I DIETED A TOTAL OF 40 DAYS AND TOOK 20 DAYS OFF AND ATE LIKE A PIG IN THOSE 20 DAYS.
I LOST 46LB IN 40 DAYS AND YOU ARE COMPLAINING ???? WTF ARE YOU RETARDED? :D
ALSO, I HAVE NO LOOSE SKIN ANYWHERE, THAT IS LOOSE SKIN FROM HAVING ZERO GLYCOGEN, WHEN THE CARBS COME IN THE SKIN WILL BE NOT ONLY FIRM BUT SHRINK WRAPPED NICELY. ;)
whoever can not suffer for 60 days is a fucken sissy.
Come on OTH its day 61.
so you'll be @ 5% in 3 weeks?I will have shredded glutes in three weeks, I have no idea what BF% I will be and neither will anyone else by looking at a picture, there is too much of that daft bullshit on here.
hm thats a good point.thats exactly why its bullshit. ;)
I will have shredded glutes in three weeks, I have no idea what BF% I will be and neither will anyone else by looking at a picture, there is too much of that daft bullshit on here.
People can post a pic dry and shredded and people will say 5%
two days later a pic with them carrying an extra 10lbs of water and people say "oh he's 7 or 8%" when in fact the bf % is lower due to the added water weight.
ok, could say dry 5%, soaking wet 5% etc.I have been on holiday this week and my weight has fluctuated from 208 to 215 at 208 I looked shredded from the front, my only fat deposits now are on my lower back and glutes, I think around 6-8lb of fat loss and Im there.
but yeah, the mirror will tell all there needs to be known.
however, one point is certain, striations in glutes dont happen at 6% or fatter, thats why i say if youll have them in 3 weeks time, youll be something 5s already, the last pics certainly look so.
another thing is, both water and fat look bad on a ohysique, so that brings us back to mirror being the ultimate and final judge.
btw i know now why you have said dietary fat takes 3 days to turn into bodyfat, do you think thats canon?
i seen studies saying otherwise.
ofc it depends on the settings of each studiy.many factors, whats been done the days before the test,and during the 3 days etc.
I think slightly more but I wont split hairs.
I base my decision on this photo
(http://s14.postimg.org/hhji873m9/Untitled.jpg)
I was around 226 in that pic and for me to get onstage ripped I would be around 198-200
However the point is, how much weight of that 35 is fat as opposed to water?
I really hope he has something special to show the people here or he will NEVER recover.
If it doesn't compare to this then I really don't know what he's been doing with his time.
(http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/430641_365360640147269_1458689754_n.jpg)
No you are right I was being conservative, more like 40. When a person loses fat he also loses water and not the kind that you are going to lose drying out for a show. This guy has about 27 pounds of pure fat then add about 6 pounds of water that he will not be retaining and then another 7 or 8 to dry out.Agreed.
oth where you at brother, hopefuly no little diuretic accident 8)
No you are right I was being conservative, more like 40. When a person loses fat he also loses water and not the kind that you are going to lose drying out for a show. This guy has about 27 pounds of pure fat then add about 6 pounds of water that he will not be retaining and then another 7 or 8 to dry out.
He never lies , if he says he's going to post new pics on Friday , he will post new pics on Friday .X2
in which part of the world or planetary system is it still friday? ;D
nah im sure he got the pics at the ready and is deliberately doing the drum roll circus maneuver, making everyone be excited and all
oh for fucks sakes, shut the fuck up you whinny little bitches, ;DHas soul crusher took that photo?
I have a fucken life and responsibility unlike some 50 year olds on here who cand spare time.
I have not had 1 fucken second to spare, I WAS ON STAGE YESTERDAY AT A NATIONAL QUALIFIER STAGING 150 COMPETITORS AND HAVE NOT EVEN SLEPT SINCE THE PICS, LET ALONE TIME TO GET ON LINE, fucken hecti around here, sorry, fucken sue me.
CHRISTMAS TREE ;)
Has soul crusher took that photo?GO F... YOURSELF, THIS ISN'T ABOUT YOU RETARD, I WILL POST WHAT I WANT WHEN I WANT, YOU DON'T LIKE IT, JUMP OFF A CLIFF
Get some photos up FFS, real full size ones not postage stamps.
WTF is that meant to show us?
Dont forget the front standing relaxed pose. ;)
ripped .. maybe you could help ukjeff diet for his next vacationThe funny thing is ukjeff disappears when he diets, he looks 30lb lighter then his actual weight, he certainly does not look 207lb in his last pic, meanwhil me at the same weight only giving up one inch to him get asked at the gym if I am 230.
The funny thing is ukjeff disappears when he diets, he looks 30lb lighter then his actual weight, he certainly does not look 207lb in his last pic, meanwhil me at the same weight only giving up one inch to him get asked at the gym if I am 230.
The irony here is that I have full muscles while jeff has flat muscles and I am the one on no carbs that is suppose to have flat muscles and yet they remain full and his muscles deflate like pancakes despite his diet approach of 300 carbs per day, ???
YOU ARE TELLING ME WHAT I DIDN'T DO ??? OH YOU WERE WITH ME THE WHOLE TIME RIGHT ::)
HAHA The 50 year old troll is bothered by my results, 46lb in exactly 40 days of dieting. GO FIND SOMETHING TO DO BRO, LIFE IS TO SHORT ;) get over it.
NOW....
I am not working today, off my diet now, in fact I had some chocolate chip pancakes this morning and just had 2 double bigmacs, oh and I have not had alcohol in 2 months so I PULLED A SHIZZO, LOL, I HAD 4 BEERS ;D
Now going to eat 4 oreo ice cream sandwiches and then a nap for an hour then gym and then I TAKE SOME PICS FOR YOU GUYS.
He never lies , if he says he's going to post new pics on Friday , he will post new pics on Friday .I actually said that I was going to take pics on FRIDAY and posting them was an issue yes because I was late for weigh ins and had to drive out of town, check into a hotel and set up trophies and stage and the works, I have had not one second to spare, didn't even sleep, the national qualifier finish at 11 last night so sorry if posting a pic on getbig is not exactly priority.
I actually said that I was going to take pics on FRIDAY and posting them was an issue yes because I was late for weigh ins and had to drive out of town, check into a hotel and set up trophies and stage and the works, I have had not one second to spare, didn't even sleep, the national qualifier finish at 11 last night so sorry if posting a pic on getbig is not exactly priority.
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real small :D
What the fuck has happened to your 20 inch arms?my arms have never been 20 in condition, never. I lose and inch or more easily but we are bodybuilder so we claim 20 cause that is our measurement off season, but really who cares if my arms are 15 inches, I MEAN YOU ARE TRYING TO GET ALL YOUR ANGLES OUT OF SPITE OF COURSE BUT AT THE END YOU ARE JUST BEING CHILDISH, a look is what we strive for not inches on the tape.
You look pretty soft in that photo.
my arms have never been 20 in condition, never. I lose and inch or more easily but we are bodybuilder so we claim 20 cause that is our measurement off season, but really who cares if my arms are 15 inches, I MEAN YOU ARE TRYING TO GET ALL YOUR ANGLES OUT OF SPITE OF COURSE BUT AT THE END YOU ARE JUST BEING CHILDISH, a look is what we strive for not inches on the tape.Its you who have always made a big deal out of your 20 inch arms, I had never measured mine until I came on this forum. ::)
who won the men's physique?galeniko
hey jeff, have you ever had obliques like this? that go down to your hips ;)
Its you who have always made a big deal out of your 20 inch arms, I had never measured mine until I came on this forum. ::)lmao, expected better? I DIDN'T EVEN LOOK LIKE A TRAINED 60 DAYS AGO, I WAS FAT AND UGLY (well, still ugly) SO WTF ARE YOU ON?
Im just being critical of your current look.
Granted you look good but really, I was expecting much better.
I feel a little cheated actually.
who won the men's physique?FORGET THE NAME, BUT GUY LOOKED FUCKEN AMAZING, there was a jacked up dude who didn't win cause he had too much muscle, wasn't to happy but guys if you want to do physique be careful they are starting to penalize to much muscle.
lmao, expected better? I DIDN'T EVEN LOOK LIKE A TRAINED 60 DAYS AGO, I WAS FAT AND UGLY (well, still ugly) SO WTF ARE YOU ON?
This was a brutal transformation, from a 38 inch waist to a 29 inch waist, sorry to disappoint if you expected MR. OLYMPIA, I AM JUST AN AVERAGE GYM RAT.
I did expect better.go find something to do old man, I am checking out of my hotel room and taking my 2 kids to AFRICAN LION SAFARI. This what life is all about, being productive, achieving goal, spending time with family.
You look no better than you did 5 years ago, WTF have you been doing with your time?
I thought you intended competing at national level?
I expected you to be shredded.
You did promise striated glutes for the guys (no homo)
go find something to do old man, I am checking out of my hotel room and taking my 2 kids to AFRICAN LION SAFARI. This what life is all about, being productive, achieving goal, spending time with family.
STOP WITH THE GHETTO LIFESTYLE OF YOURS BRO, :-[
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:D
this is the best self owning in a while on getbig
Why do you say that?because you look fatter smaller and less impressive than a pankake
because you look fatter smaller and less impressive than a pankake
because you look fatter smaller and less impressive than a pankake
real small :D
hey jeff, have you ever had obliques like this? that go down to your hips ;)
jeff, know when to stop bro. there is a line between being funny and coming across obsessed..
galeniko
I know the guy has lost weight, but thats all hes done FFS.
He started this thread like it was going to be a journey to enlightenment.
Lets keep it real.
He's been on 1400 cals a day working 12 hour shifts laying tiles on over 2 grams of gear a week.
He should be fucking incredible, he isn't.
not saying your right or wrong. just telling you how you are coming across.
I was expecting something approaching or bettering this.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=493353.0;attach=534747;image)
that guy is on a different level. none of us come close. lets be real.Looks like a financial success no furniture and no whores.
Looks like a financial success no furniture and no whores.
I was expecting something approaching or bettering this.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=493353.0;attach=534747;image)
are you fucking retarted? how many guys do you see walking around who look like that? That's not far off a world class physique....do you see the bold?Kai would crush him.
something getbig looses sight of. you were expecting something better than bigrio ::)
comparing weekend warriors with kids and working 16 hours a day to guys like jay who sit on there ass all day
I did expect better.
You look no better than you did 5 years ago, WTF have you been doing with your time?
I thought you intended competing at national level?
I expected you to be shredded.
You did promise striated glutes for the guys (no homo)
and you look A LOT WORSE than you did 10 years ago....what's your fucking point dickhead?No I don't, I look way better than I did 10 years ago.
Is it SO fucking hard for you to give credit where it's due ? OTH said he was going to diet hard for 60 days and get lean. He did. I don't recall him saying he's Mike Mentzer.I have said he looks good, its just I was expecting him to look better with what he has done to get there.
I know, I know...you're just trolling.Im not actually, Im just giving my thoughts and opinions.
48 year old man with one of the most repulsive personalities I've ever come across. fucking pathetic.For giving my opinion?
are you fucking retarted? how many guys do you see walking around who look like that? That's not far off a world class physique....do you see the bold?
something getbig looses sight of. you were expecting something better than bigrio ::)
comparing weekend warriors with kids and working 16 hours a day to guys like jay who sit on there ass all day
and you look A LOT WORSE than you did 10 years ago....what's your fucking point dickhead?
Is it SO fucking hard for you to give credit where it's due ? OTH said he was going to diet hard for 60 days and get lean. He did. I don't recall him saying he's Mike Mentzer.
I know, I know...you're just trolling. ::)
48 year old man with one of the most repulsive personalities I've ever come across. fucking pathetic.
lmfao
I see good old Groing hasn't changed one bit 8)
Still huge, and good looking as an added bonus ;Dtake the shirt off an expose that floppy midsection! :D
take the shirt off an expose that floppy midsection! :D
Still huge, and good looking as an added bonus ;DGroink is bigger than Cswol.
No floppy midsection here. ..wishful thinking on your part ;)
Show us your abs brah. (5/8ths homo)
Not real big on shirtless pics . I posted one a while back. AnyBody wIth eyes can see I'm still in shape. If not... there are many penises for them to suck on. :)at least 40lbs from stage weight.
Not real big on shirtless pics . I posted one a while back. AnyBody wIth eyes can see I'm still in shape. If not... there are many penises for them to suck on. :)
i remember the pic you posted. be real bro. your in shape compared to an average joe but a bouncer midsection you could never hope to have.
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what exactly did OTH claim?OTH wrote
have a feeling jeff is fully justified on this one...
Here is me at 5% bodyfat at 205 lb and I am 5'9, so my goal is to get to 3% at around 200-203 but my main assault after this in the winter should yield at least 12 lb. Hoping to be ready for the spring on stage at 215
Ya I was 205 lb at my last contest in 08 and I registered at 5% bodyfat, I figured if I am a tad bigger I can be 202 or 203 at 3% but if I am lower then I am lower, doesn't matter as long as I hit 3%. I am 5'9 so anything over 200lb in that condition is good for me.
I will definitely be posting pics up when it is done mid Sept. I will also post video's of me doing 315 on flat bench for 15-20 reps and deadlifts with 5 plates for 12-15, 200 lb curls for the purpose of proving your strengths and lifts do not go down on a zero carb diet.
As for pics, I hate to disappoint brother, can not and will not post one until the 3% is reached, but then there will be lots of good pics.
I can not complain, however I am approx 3-5lb smaller then my peek. You may say 3 lb, big deal but it is for a bodybuilderHe was at 209 a month ago????
I have only been training and juicing for 6-7 months since my time off to heal my ham tear, so what can I expect, the strides I have made are enormous but until I enter new territory of growth I won't be satisfied.
Now, how do I know, well I said i was not going to bother with scale and measurement but my curiosity got the best of me.
I am 209 lb after a lasix and am 6% body fat today.
Did a 7 fold test.
My workouts are screwed right now cause I took 2 contracts for roofing with a builder in new construction which I regret big time, The houses are huge and cut up big time and they are 14/12 in pitch which means it is a very steep angle so I can not even go to the gym, shingling off a rope all day = aches and pains everywhere, i went to the gym once this week and probably once more next week, shouldn't have taken the work but too late.
I have never dieted this fast in my life, that is a deficit of 37 lb (including water) in pretty much an average of a lb a day :o
Haha the beauty of being a roofer, the calories get killed day in day out
Good for you. Let me know when those twigs break 16 inches.;D
PICS WILL NOT INCLUDE ANY LOADING, ANY DIURETICS OR NOTHING, JUST A BASIC DAY IN VERY LOW LEVEL BODYFAT MODE, NOTHING FANCY, i am still working and am going out for the weekend so just a basic day with regular pics.then
I am not working today, off my diet now, in fact I had some chocolate chip pancakes this morning and just had 2 double bigmacs, oh and I have not had alcohol in 2 months so I PULLED A SHIZZO, LOL, I HAD 4 BEERS ;D
Now going to eat 4 oreo ice cream sandwiches and then a nap for an hour then gym and then I TAKE SOME PICS FOR YOU GUYS.
I really hope he has something special to show the people here or he will NEVER recover.
If it doesn't compare to this then I really don't know what he's been doing with his time.
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at least 40lbs from stage weight.
nah he was fat as hell before, he ate 600gramms carbs daily lol.
he indeed lokks very good, and the abs shots are good enough, the skn got bit wrinkly on lower abs, that alone indicates he lost much weight in little time,no question he was badly out of shape.
2months, brutal diet=shredded,as in, ready to step on stage,as he did.i remember though him saying this is hust for fun not for competiton, but the comp signing up ppl normaly do quite upfront :D
I'm 8.5 % bodyfat at 236 poundsi In that pic you imbecile.
Just Because you can't carry any thickness anywhere. . Your entIre life, doesn't mean we are all saddled wIth your genetics.
It's like unless he's putting people down he doesn't know what to do With himself.
can you remember you bf% and bw before returning to drugs??.. you were 265 pounds i think and looked over 20% bf.. yes drugs must be amazing..
can you remember you bf% and bw before returning to drugs??.. you were 265 pounds i think and looked over 20% bf.. yes drugs must be amazing..
You will always be small and look life shit. Your arms suck and you have big hips
hahahahaha... i have a very good NATURAL arms..
remember when you said i could never have good abs again because i was old lol..
Why don't you run some gear already? It's what Nasser would have wanted for you.
brutal arab softness
are you natural??..
rock hardness cant be achieved naturally.. i take creatine now which makes me hold more water..but overall i am ok with my current shape..
hahahahaha... i have a very good NATURAL arms..
remember when you said i could never have good abs again because i was old lol..
hahahahaha... i have a very good NATURAL arms..looking good bro but god damn, your hips are wider then your shoulders. sorry about your poor luck. :(
remember when you said i could never have good abs again because i was old lol..
I nevet said that. I said you needed to diet seriously to get back in shape because you weren't a kid anymore. And it seems like I was dead on the money .
And also that will be $500 US for the motivation
looking good bro but god damn, your hips are wider then your shoulders. sorry about your poor luck. :(
no man you said many time i became old and could not be in a good shape again because of my poor genetics and my age ::)
actually i have achieved this ok shape easier than when i was younger.. no magic but i was not in a hurry and i did some serious cardio which i was never doing in the past.. but didnt go on a very strict diet as before.. i eat good amounts of carbs every day and have at least 2 days a week where i eat whatever i want..
sorry oth this is your thread..he didnt compete, was a stage Marshall....
so you have achieved this shape to compete??.. any contest pics??..
I'm 8.5 % bodyfat at 236 poundsi In that pic you imbecile.
Just Because you can't carry any thickness anywhere. . Your entIre life, doesn't mean we are all saddled wIth your genetics.
It's like unless he's putting people down he doesn't know what to do With himself.
No I dIdn't. I said you needed to diet because you were insisting that all you had To do was drink less pepsi.
But feel free to put words in my mouth if it helps you
he didnt compete, was a stage Marshall....
What did you weigh when you competed?
Oh thats right, you haven't competed have you?
Until you have dieted down to stage condition you have no idea what it is to drop 10 lbs and hardly look any different.
Stage weight for you would be around 200lbs
what if i show you what you exactly said??..
I'm 236 @ 8.5% ....do the math...those are true numbers and I don't care if you don't believe them. Very simple. Your opinion means exactly shit and the fact you have competed is beyond irrelevant to my bodyfat levels and genetics.
Feel free to melt and troll me now for 6 months because you think you are the final fucking word around here....LOLOL
PS I like how You went from "ovet 40 pounds" to "around 200 pounds" when I weigh 236. Backpeddle much ?
ukjeff in the running for Most Delusional Award ;DCleanest natural out of the running for the post of the year award.
Do me a favour.no one told him based on that pic. So its 8.5
Eat chicken and a few veg for three days on zero sodium.
I will guarantee you will lose 15lbs, and thats before you have started on the fat.
Try it, you will be amazed.
As for the bolded section, its only five pounds difference. (36 & 41)
And lol at the 8.5%, how on earth do you know that?
UKJeff descending into the pits of childishness as usual, and gym rats Groink and THE ABDUCTOR making very heterosexual comments about mens hip ratios in this threadPreviously wrote
Do pull ups in the morning to allow the semen to run out of your bottom by gravity.
Previously wrote
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I'm willing to bet it took Bigro more than 60 days to get from this to his current condition.
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Do me a favour.
Eat chicken and a few veg for three days on zero sodium.
I will guarantee you will lose 15lbs, and thats before you have started on the fat.
Try it, you will be amazed.
As for the bolded section, its only five pounds difference. (36 & 41)
And lol at the 8.5%, how on earth do you know that?
hahahahaha... i have a very good NATURAL arms..
remember when you said i could never have good abs again because i was old lol..
those hips are pretty big, were you fed soy milk and injectd with estrogen pellets as a child?
when was this picture of bigrio?
Summer 2009, started bodybuilding again fall 2011.
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Do me a favour.
Eat chicken and a few veg for three days on zero sodium.
I will guarantee you will lose 15lbs, and thats before you have started on the fat.
Try it, you will be amazed.
As for the bolded section, its only five pounds difference. (36 & 41)
And lol at the 8.5%, how on earth do you know that?
I do eat clean genius. For quite some time now. I eat very lo carbs/fat 6 out of 7 days a week. I"m already fairly lean. I don't know You think you are talking to here But I'm not Cswol. My waist is small and I have abs
I know my BF % because my friend has his own PT business and he calipers me whenever I want.
Sorry... it's not a immersion testing. I'm not dropping 60 bucks every time I'm curious about my bodyfat. It's a good estimate and I always use him. . So its consistent.
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I do eat clean genius. For quite some time now. I eat very lo carbs/fat 6 out of 7 days a week. I"m already fairly lean. I don't know You think you are talking to here But I'm not Cswol. My waist is small and I have abs
I know my BF % because my friend has his own PT business and he calipers me whenever I want.
Sorry... it's not a immersion testing. I'm not dropping 60 bucks every time I'm curious about my bodyfat. It's a good estimate and I always use him. . So its consistent.
I have a feeling that Jeffrey is used to guestimating fellow gym members bf %, by touching the balls alone with his bare hands
you are wasting your time mate
the whole i was trolling now im a nice guy thing is bullshit as his posts in this thread prove
he is a creepy obsessed weirdo
ukjeff is a total cu nt plain and simple
What did you weigh when you competed?
Oh thats right, you haven't competed have you?
Until you have dieted down to stage condition you have no idea what it is to drop 10 lbs and hardly look any different.
Stage weight for you would be around 200lbs
Ha ha ha. Are you implying that Jeff f has a ruler tattooed down the center of his throat and offers free penis measuring service ?
for you maybe. I have hardly ever heard of anyone drop 10 pounds and not look different. ??? I loose 10 pounds of fat, and look 10 pounds heavier/bigger.groink and I are about the same bf most of the time, 8-9% bf your telling me the switch to 6-7% bf wont look different? nobody doesnt look alot bigger going from 8% bf to 6% bf
OTH, since you took pics, are you claiming to be 3%?of course not, what's wrong with you :-\
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of course not, what's wrong with you :-\
I am 206lb, so I probably need 8-9lb for 3% but I changed my mind and decided to stop and not go further cause my schedule simply does not allow it. I HAVE a couple of 50 000 DOLLAR CONTRACTS RIGHT NOW AND i am not jeopardizing my families income to do this, besides where I was 2 months ago to now is more then I can ask for ;)
Thank you and thanks to everyone else as well :)You're welcome.
You're welcome.
sorry oth this is your thread..sorry SS, overlooked this post, no I did this for fun and that is what makes it harder. When there is a competition it becomes second nature but when we do it for the hell of it, everything is that much harder because there is no obligations or consequences just sheer will power. YOU HAVE PROVEN YOURSELF TOO ;)
so you have achieved this shape to compete??.. any contest pics??..
Well ripped in One Time, any leg shots?THANKS BRO, you were right though, At 201lb the look was a little off, at 206 was the pics and looked better, sometimes going lower does not work out to well like you suggested.
Not bad, OTH, but with a whole 60 days and only working 12 hr shifts, I was expecting something approaching or bettering this ;);D
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WOW.2 three-story walk ups, re-roofs, the bundle count is 1000 bundles.
very nice strcutre man, this one shows the size of the arms very well.arms are all an illusion, from some angles they may look 20 and from others 17, my arms measure 19 inches at 210 and on steady training at 245lb off season they are over 20 inches easily
damn the waist looks tiny
arms are all an illusion, from some angles they may look 20 and from others 17, my arms measure 19 inches at 210 and on steady training at 245lb off season they are over 20 inches easilyI thought you didn't care what your arms measured?
2 three-story walk ups, re-roofs, the bundle count is 1000 bundles.
23 000 dollars for bundles alone, another 20 grand in material, waist, dump, overhead rounds up to 50 grand before I dish out on labour, I might be left with 12 grand after it is all said and done so not that ''wow'' :( :( :(
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=485328.0;attach=535294;image)fuck you look great therem thats the look im aiming for now that i started to train again 3.5months ago..looking great. Well done oth you have nothing to be ashamed off. Not that are
great relaxed pose, shows your natural shape.
Can't be bothered reading 90+ pages, but what is your diet/"supplementation" plan?The diet was noncontinuous, so it was dieting then a pause from diet and then dieting again and then another pause, only because it was very effective and it was to fast so I had to slow it down by pausing the diet and maintening.
Dont worry, everyone already knows you hardly ever tell the full story first time around. ::)I shop at walmart, my shoes are worth 20 dollars, I buy stuff at the dollar store and I look through coupons, in fact I will only buy mcdonalds if I HAVE A ''2 CAN DINE FOR'' COUPON SO FUCK YOU, I don't have money and nor do I give a fuck to come across as someone who does yo creepy fuck
I will only buy mcdonalds
Outstanding brother. Way to follow through, you look great.fuck no bro, you guys are fucken awesome putting this creepy loser in his place, even bouncer is exposing him as a big embarrassment, keep it coming
Didn't Mean to hijack but you know how to Jeff can get
i can tell, judging by those weak abs.. if you need some advice hit me up. you can give me some advice on getting my arms past 12 inches. :Dhey bro, I say it how it is and yes you are the greek god of abs around here but mine are not that bad are they :'(
hey bro, I say it how it is and yes you are the greek god of abs around here but mine are not that bad are they :'(
;DI actually think my lower abs atrophied a bit because it used to bulge out but now it just looks retarded
nah bro, that relaxed standing pic shows how tiny your waist is. good genetics for sure. like you said, just have a little bit of softness/lose skin on the abs themselves.
Awesome job.thanks brother shizzo, by the way I had like 6 or 7 beers that day ;D
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thanks brother shizzo, by the way I had like 6 or 7 beers that day ;DYou can almost tell by the pic. You had the Elvis lip going ;D
yo, oth, do you think the beer causes bloating, or doesnt it matter when so depleted
id certainly, no matter what, have some tequilla shots before stepping on stage, if i had plans of competiting :D
beer makes my gut bloat like cswolefatshit.
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I shop at walmart, my shoes are worth 20 dollars, I buy stuff at the dollar store and I look through coupons, in fact I will only buy mcdonalds if I HAVE A ''2 CAN DINE FOR'' COUPON SO FUCK YOU, I don't have money and nor do I give a fuck to come across as someone who does yo creepy fuckMy comment had nothing to do with how much money you have got/not got.
Oh and for the record I dont think OTH will get to the end of his 60 day get ripped challenge.
He will pull a sicky soon, mark my words. ;)
The diet was noncontinuous, so it was dieting then a pause from diet and then dieting again and then another pause, only because it was very effective and it was to fast so I had to slow it down by pausing the diet and maintening.You forgot to mention the GH you were using...again.
QUICK SUMMERY
dieted on 1lb of chicken and a 1lb of fish (actually just a hair more) and greens (VEGGIES) and some egg whites, under 1500 calories per day on dieting days.
My average weight loss was 1lb per day of dieting.
Took prop, tren, anadrol and winny at the end, although I did discontinue the drol and the prop for the last couple weeks. DID START WITH EQ, TEST E and var, droped the test E half way through replaced test e with prop and replaced var with winny
kept it pretty simple, average dose was a total of 2 grams or a hair more, was not consistent on dosing due to schedule, was targeting 2800mg per week but NO WAY I HIT THOSE NUMBER CAUSE I SKIPPED INJECTIONS AND ALWAYS FORGOT TO TAKE THE ORALS, :D
OK, today is the turning point with the hormones, I am at around 10% and this is the switching everything up point.
I never take tren above 10%, never take prop above 10%, never take var above 10%, and as for anadrol I am introducing it today but this can be taken at any body fat level.
So dropped the test e, dropped the eq, although I will still have eq in my system for 3 weeks at least. Reasoning is they hold water, the eq not so much but still a little.
You guys know the purpose of these compounds by now, so will not discuss them, unless someone is confused about something.
Goes like this;
1 shot of prop
1 shot tren
100mg per shot
2x50mg anadrol
10X10mg anavar
That is 400mg combined per day
Might add winstrol last ten days and maybe letrozole, have not decided yet.
No clen or T3, no ai, nothing else
gh is at 4 iu per day, not sure it is making much of a difference at this point but who cares, I will through it the mix anyway.
UK CAN SET UP A CONVERSATION WITH ONESELF JUST BY POSTING PAST QUOTES ON WHAT U WROTE AND HAVE U ARGUE WITH WHAT U WROTE AND ON AND ON....The point is that if people want to try and emulate what OTH has done they need to be in full possession of the facts.
yo, oth, do you think the beer causes bloating, or doesnt it matter when so depletedwell, I was sitting at 201lb and real dry, so since I had a very brutal weekend aheaD i decided not to lose water and I was already dry as well so I didn't have to much water to lose anyway, maybe 3 lb at most. Now I Had to down as much food as possible to fill out. Originally wanted to not bother loading but then decided to after the first meal because it made a big difference, so I just kept eating and had beer to down the food, but we are talking one beer per hour hence no bloat and I pissed 3 quarters of it out anyway since the alcohol content acts like a mild diuretic, keep in mind that I did not drink any water at all or any other beverage, actually I had one pop lol, and some ice cream.
id certainly, no matter what, have some tequilla shots before stepping on stage, if i had plans of competiting :D
OTH good work man. Really amazed this diet kept so much muscle on for you. Kudos!ya thanks bro, based on my conclusion, I lost no muscle at all, except maybe in the legs but I was only training them twice a month so I didn't expect them to keep up
The point is that if people want to try and emulate what OTH has done they need to be in full possession of the facts.
The point is that if people want to try and emulate what OTH has done they need to be in full possession of the facts.AND HOW WILL THAT WORK FOR THEM PRATELL?
AND HOW WILL THAT WORK FOR THEM PRATELL?Because they can then tailor something for themselves based on his regime.
To be fair and honest, OTH you did use a shit ton of drugs bro. Yes you worked your ass off but you should be a little bit more clear in your posts about just how much chemical assistance you did have.
ate least he is honest about his drug use
unlike other members here
the guy ran this thread while working long hours on a very restrictive diet
he is trying to help people
he never claimed to be a guru
but this thread is a credit to him
To be fair and honest, OTH you did use a shit ton of drugs bro. Yes you worked your ass off but you should be a little bit more clear in your posts about just how much chemical assistance you did have.You are mistaken my friend. I never lie about gear use, NEVER, I TELL EVERYONE EVERY SINGLE INJECTION I HAVE EVER TAKEN, EVERYTIME ALL THE TIME.
absolutely agree.BRO ME AND YOU ARE GOOD, AS YOU GET MY HUMOUR AND I GET YOURS AND WE CALL EACH OTHER PUSSIES ,LMAO BUT WITH ALL DUE RESPECT NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH HERE BRO.
just pointing out that there is some truth is what jeff is saying. OTH talks a lot about how hard he works and diets.. and rightfully so. but he doesnt put the same spotlight on the drugs.
Because they can then tailor something for themselves based on his regime.I DON'T HAVE TO TELL PEOPLE EVERYTIME I TAKE A SHIT FOR FUCK SAKES, EPHEDRIN? ARE YOU FUCKEN KIDDING ME????
His lack of consistency in his updates are really confusing as he adds he's using GH then forgets to mention it later , he uses ephedrine, yet forgets to mention it on occasion.
All these little things are important when people want to develop their own system.
never said you lied brother. just saying the drug use gets lost in the thread. you highlight the diet and hard work in a lot more posts then the drugs.NO I DO NOT, IN FACT I ADDRESS THINGS BASED ON WHAT IS DEMAND FROM OUR GETBIG FRIENDS, THEY ASK THE QUESTIONS, I AM HERE TO HELP ANYONE AND THE REALITY IS MORE PEOPLE GIVE A SHIT ABOUT DIET ADVISE, HENCE MORE WILL BE TALKED ABOUT IN REGARDS TO SHEDDING FAT AND GETTING SHREDDED THEN DRUG PROTOCOLS, BESIDES EVERYONE KEEP THSE QUESTIONS IN PMS AND IF YOU SEE MY MILLION PAGES OF PMS THEY ARE MOSTLY ALL DRUG PROTOCOLS AND SHARING INFO AND I PICK UP INFO AS WELL, WE ALL WANT TO LEARN OFF EACH OTHER.
NO I DO NOT, IN FACT I ADDRESS THINGS BASED ON WHAT IS DEMAND FROM OUR GETBIG FRIENDS, THEY ASK THE QUESTIONS, I AM HERE TO HELP ANYONE AND THE REALITY IS MORE PEOPLE GIVE A SHIT ABOUT DIET ADVISE, HENCE MORE WILL BE TALKED ABOUT IN REGARDS TO SHEDDING FAT AND GETTING SHREDDED THEN DRUG PROTOCOLS, BESIDES EVERYONE KEEP THSE QUESTIONS IN PMS AND IF YOU SEE MY MILLION PAGES OF PMS THEY ARE MOSTLY ALL DRUG PROTOCOLS AND SHARING INFO AND I PICK UP INFO AS WELL, WE ALL WANT TO LEARN OFF EACH OTHER.Boom!!!!!!
NO ONE WILL AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS ONE, OH EXCEPT THE TROLL, WHICH YOU IS NOT REAL CREDIBLE ANYWAY.
So whats the plan now before your competition that was in the spring right? Are you going to maintain low bf or blow up. Whats your plan when it comes to roids to. Are you coming off or are you doin like i do now staying on until the comp? Understand if you dont want to answerWILL ADDRESS THIS LATER, STILL WORKING ON THE GAME PLAN, BUT WILL SAY THIS, I DO NOT HAVE TO DO A REGIONAL EVENT ANYMORE.
So in conclusion of this thread. We all now know UKJeff is gay.HEY BROTHER. HOW THE HECK ARE YOU?
/thread
Anyways, OTH, good job, but take with a grain of salt what any douchebags say on here. That's why I don't bother ever posting pix of any kind on here. There will always be someone who will criticize a vein not being in the right spot or satisfying their homo self enough. No need to prove oneself to some losers online lol. Anyways...
I DON'T HAVE TO TELL PEOPLE EVERYTIME I TAKE A SHIT FOR FUCK SAKES, EPHEDRIN? ARE YOU FUCKEN KIDDING ME????
WILL ADDRESS THIS LATER, STILL WORKING ON THE GAME PLAN, BUT WILL SAY THIS, I DO NOT HAVE TO DO A REGIONAL EVENT ANYMORE.thats really good news .
THE PRESIDENT OF THE OPA JUST TOLD ME SINCE I ALREADY ONE A REGIONAL OVERALL TITLE I HAVE A LIFE TIME QUALIFICATION TO A NATIONAL QUALIFIER, SO I CAN JUMP RIGHT INTO THE NATIONAL QUALIFIER IN JUNE THEN STRAIGHT TO NATIONALS.
AWESOME NEWS FOR ME
yah the steroids themselves wont do much more than give epic recovery, sparing muscle from being used up and training agression,and the pumps, but whether one is on 500mg weekly or 2gramms weekly, those factors will be given either way.
the efedrine, i didnt take that stuff since over 10 years, i only vaguely remember how efective it is, i remember it does add up,but then again, oth actually said he uses it, and the gh he felt is useless or overrated for this purpose and stopped it.
fair play overall
hm, but it has definite fatburning proerties, may amount to 200cals a day, this adds up.Ephedrine suppresses your appetite enormously, sometimes to the point of making you feel like you don't want to eat at all.
wont help if one hasnt willpower, ofc ;D
uk jeff is on a ton of shit yet he claims natty and looks like a deflated old turd .. those who bark the loudest ...Do you think he would have looked the same if he had been natty?
I think to get ripped diet is key so OTH focused on the diet aspect ... great results
hm, but it has definite fatburning proerties, may amount to 200cals a day, this adds up.
wont help if one hasnt willpower, ofc ;D
Do you think he would have looked the same if he had been natty?
27 days on no carbs on a roof for 12 hours a day and he could have got down the drainpipe.
He didn't remotely imply he was natural. And I remember him sayiing plenty he uses ECA for preworkout energy boost.I never said he did, I also remember him saying he used ephedrine, he just seemed to forget to mention it on occasion.
I never said he did, I also remember him saying he used ephedrine, he just seemed to forget to mention it on occasion.
ukjeff .. you are so bitter towards his transformation .. he was disciplined and should be congratulated.. why so bitter? you live with your mom.. maybe she pisses you offIm not bitter at all, I have told him he looks great, I even posted his pic in the relaxed pose thread I started, its one of the best in there by the way.
If it had been a newbie rather than OTH you would all have torn him another arsehole.
Not really. Tripping up over little details is trivial, boring, pointless. I doubt anyone cares enough....except you.I will remind you next time it happens.
I will remind you next time it happens.
By the way, not many newbies signing up here are there, only gimmicks who have been here for years opening new accounts.
Strange that isnt it?
UKJeff: what is your list of demands for OTH? What would you like him to do or say to satisfy your desires?SOUNDS LIKE A HOSTAGE DEMANDS...
SOUNDS LIKE A HOSTAGE DEMANDS...
These are serious times NJflex.;D..AT GET BIG YES THEY ARE.STONE PHILLIPS IS DOING A PIECE ON THE GOINGS ON HERE SOON....
;D..AT GET BIG YES THEY ARE.STONE PHILLIPS IS DOING A PIECE ON THE GOINGS ON HERE SOON....I like John Stossel. Id go gay just for his mustache.
Great work OTH.. Showing how its done!
Not really. Tripping up over little details is trivial, boring, pointless. I doubt anyone cares enough....except you.
no. "tripping up over the little details" is the M.O. of bodybuilders everywhere, and the reason why this cult more full of shit than a cow pasture... it's the reason why, almost without fail, what supposed "bodybuilding experts" say they do manifests in their reader's minds, almost universally, as something completely different.
it's how you start out in temple gym, and end up on the pages of flex magazine
fuck, it's sickening just thinking about how much misguidance and wasted effort have resulted from the bodybuilder's pathological tendency to fudge details
He didn't remotely imply he was natural. And I remember him sayiing plenty he uses ECA for preworkout energy boost.BINGO
OTH is the biggest advocate of ephedrine I've ever seen...ANOTHER WINNER
For the casual reader who's only read one or two of onetimehard's posts, sure it would be easy to miss. But if you've looked into his approach, he mentions using ephedrine quite a bit.
It's not like OTH hides or purposely leaves information out....that would be troublesome.
If you really believe OTH is intentionally fudging details here, you're lost.;D
If you really believe OTH is intentionally fudging details here, you're lost.
never said thatok master YODA, it's called changing your mind
but fudge them he does
ok master YODA, it's called changing your mind
i like your contribution to bodybuilding related knowledge on this board, and appreciate the advice you have given me in the past, but jeff does have a point. you (and many others, for sure... hell, may as well include everyone if we're being honest -- i know i'm guilty) play fast and loose with the details at times. it may seem harmless; i doubt it's intentional (in your case), but it adds up. reading these threads is like playing a game of telephone. it takes a lot of caution to communicate effectively, and this is one trait it seems bodybuilders just don't have, for the most part.putting it that way, maybe so. This is an ''instinct'' type of life style more then 321 guide. I base my programs and protocols based on state of mind, goals, convenience and of course schedule so it should be understandable if something changes at times, we are only human.
relax, oth has taken bit gh for 2 weeks and then dropped it and even said hes taking it, same for the efedrine.The results would have been the exact same, I think it was flinstone who said the gh was pointless and I told him ''wrong'' but he was right, and I stand corrected. A no carb diet and gh do not go well and is pointless especially at 6 iu or lower, gh has it's purpose of course but not for what I did in 60 days
the results would have been within 1-2lbs with or without that, or exactly the same.
its not right to claim he lied or exagerated, infact, he often forgot injections,missed shots, why is that not brought up to his defence?
he came shredded within 60 days and outlined everything, except we havent seen before pics.
but hes as honest as they ccome
ANOTHER WINNER
I Rant about ephedrine all the time, to say I left it out is outrageous, ephedrine is my bread and butter, everyone should know this by now
The diet was noncontinuous, so it was dieting then a pause from diet and then dieting again and then another pause, only because it was very effective and it was to fast so I had to slow it down by pausing the diet and maintening.
QUICK SUMMERY
dieted on 1lb of chicken and a 1lb of fish (actually just a hair more) and greens (VEGGIES) and some egg whites, under 1500 calories per day on dieting days.
My average weight loss was 1lb per day of dieting.
Took prop, tren, anadrol and winny at the end, although I did discontinue the drol and the prop for the last couple weeks. DID START WITH EQ, TEST E and var, droped the test E half way through replaced test e with prop and replaced var with winny
kept it pretty simple, average dose was a total of 2 grams or a hair more, was not consistent on dosing due to schedule, was targeting 2800mg per week but NO WAY I HIT THOSE NUMBER CAUSE I SKIPPED INJECTIONS AND ALWAYS FORGOT TO TAKE THE ORALS, :D
UKJeff: what is your list of demands for OTH? What would you like him to do or say to satisfy your desires?To be consistent with his posts.
There is wanting to know the details... and then there is being a cunt.I am not sure what are you implying here Groink. Are you by any chance alluding to the fact that ukjeff's annoying pestering paints him as the latter?
To be consistent with his posts.
I have a feeling he makes stuff up as he goes along sometimes, thats why he flip flops.
Not saying its a bad thing, its just the way he is.
By the way, he is a grown man not a special needs child, you should feel its OK to correct him and enquire about his inconsistency and not just pat him on the head and ignore it.
I am not sure what are you implying here Groink. Are you by any chance alluding to the fact that ukjeff's annoying pestering paints him as the latter?Nothing of any substance again?
I guess I never felt deceived at any point, and I've been following the thread since day 1. Even when he took his break, he notified the thread. He changed his strategy along the way but kept us all informed, and honestly it was only minor deviations. I would vouch the same way for you had the roles been reversed. I see no great atrocity committed here.Im happy for you.
i think choosing to ignore how well oth has doneChoose to ignore?
by drilling into the details of every post to try and find minor inconsistencies
then attacking others because they havent done this
is reflective of a troubled mind
a control freak with ocd
Im happy for you.
Choose to ignore?
I have told him he looks great and posted his relaxed picture in the other thread.
Come on bigmc, read the threads before you jump in feet first.
its my honest opinion
you think you can justify all the bullshit by throwing in the odd compliment
and that makes your opinion balanced
if you cant see that your behaviour in this thread isnt normal
then you have issues
you claim you have stopped trolling but your posting pattern is exactly the same
might be an idea to get some help im serious
Who else thinks that ukbeth is just jealous that he does not get kudos nor the attention that he feels he deserves. His average Egypt vacation shape did not turn the bodybuilding world upside down. Why ???Your post just reeks of desperation, "who else thinks"...jeez.
When I start listening to your advice it will be time to seek help.
Im not trolling now, Im just giving my honest opinions, shame more people cant be as honest.
there you go againIts not being dishonest to keep quiet about something rather than saying it, some people would say its tactful.
everyone that doesnt agree with you is dishonest
your obsession with detail and the level of importance you put on minor detail
probably helped you when you were competing
it doesnt help you now
Dunno jeff..maybe it is time to grow up and move on
Dunno jeff..maybe it is time to grow up and move onWhy, so you can carry on gang raping newbies?
Nonsense, don't be silly.I have already been through them all, yours as well. ;D
OneTimeHard has 10,879 posts to go over with a fine tooth comb. UKJeff has a full pot of coffee to keep him awake all night, scavenging post after post for any sort of discrepancy or miscalculation. UKJeff makes the Internal Revenue Service look like the Salvation Army when it comes to getting audited :D
Why, so you can carry on gang raping newbies?thank God you came as their saviour
uk even though you did not make a full thread with claims and what you were going to do to get in shape for your vacation and your ripped glutes ,is there a chance your going to come clean with full detail and outlined diet,supplements natural/unnatural you use to achieve your final pictures soon?or just going to post pics and have some of your 'fans'shower u with love with no details needed.I already have posted everything, except my drug use/non use.
I already have posted everything, except my drug use/non use.SO I GUESS IT MAKES OTH PROCESS /JOURNEY MORE INTERESTING THEN.
I dont discuss the latter.
SO I GUESS IT MAKES OTH PROCESS /JOURNEY MORE INTERESTING THEN.I have never suggested it wasn't more interesting.
100$ to whomever gets this idiot banned.If I was going to be banned it would have happened long ago, fact is I add value to this forum by initiating posts and debates, its all usage.
If I was going to be banned it would have happened long ago, fact is I add value to this forum by initiating posts and debates, its all usage.
Rons not daft, Im worth ten of the likes of bigmc and yourself who at the moment add fuck all to the forum.
People who cause other people to post be it positive or negative are valuable.
One line posts about fucking peoples mothers are literally pointless.
This thread would have been way shorter if I had stayed out of it.
I add valuemuch like a cockring
Are you sure you're not trolling ???No Im not trolling.
I thought this wasn't the real you ;)
Choose to ignore?
I have told him he looks great and posted his relaxed picture in the other thread.
Come on bigmc, read the threads before you jump in feet first.
Right. So just leave it at that and shut the fuck up.
Guy did what he said he would. A small hiccup here and there, but nothing worth the type of scrutiny you post. It isn't like he said "oh by the way. .. I'm on gear" halfway through. THAT would deserve your head exploding... but nothing even close to that was said.
Excuse me sir, this is a forum and is not subject to your rules.THERE'S A TERM LEAVE WELL ENOUGH ALONE.SO MOVE ON UNTIL THE NEXT THREAD YOU CAN CONTRIBUTE TOO.
I will post whatever I like whenever I like thanks, if you don't like my posts don't read them or don't respond to them.
I really cant understand why you have an issue with me at all.
My posts seldom have anything to do with you so why the major hatred?
THERE'S A TERM LEAVE WELL ENOUGH ALONE.SO MOVE ON UNTIL THE NEXT THREAD YOU CAN CONTRIBUTE TOO.Theres also a CAPS lock button on your keyboard FFS.
Excuse me sir, this is a forum and is not subject to your rules.
I will post whatever I like whenever I like thanks, if you don't like my posts don't read them or don't respond to them.
I really cant understand why you have an issue with me at all.
My posts seldom have anything to do with you so why the major hatred?
much like a cockringWhich does add value
like a genital wartWhich doesnt.
Theres also a CAPS lock button on your keyboard FFS.ok chief.
I don't hate you. ..LOLOL.
You act like a penis. ..I comment on that.
and you look A LOT WORSE than you did 10 years ago....what's your fucking point dickhead?
Is it SO fucking hard for you to give credit where it's due ? OTH said he was going to diet hard for 60 days and get lean. He did. I don't recall him saying he's Mike Mentzer.
I know, I know...you're just trolling. ::)
48 year old man with one of the most repulsive personalities I've ever come across. fucking pathetic.
Yeah, you love me really. ;D
ukjeff, you SCREAM passive-aggressive with every single post, it's as if you really hate everyone but can't quite come out and start calling people cunts, so instead you do this half-baked, "i'm not really trolling" shit which makes you an even bigger cock. LOLIm not bothered about the whole forum jumping on me, it's only schoolyard bullying FFS.
You're setting yourself up for the whole forum to jump on you again, I would have thought you learnt your lesson last time. FFS, it's only been three or four weeks ???
Very popular with women are dildos. ;)
Hey man... if the shoe fits. Doesnt mean I hate you. Hate is a strong word.
I do however, think you are a dildo.
Very popular with women are dildos. ;)hugely popular with homos the larger ones
hugely popular with homos the larger onesPopular all the same, thanks for proving my point.
you truly find meaning or a argument in every post that comes your way.and with that you can stay in a thread and try to be relevant.Its "an" argument.
If I was going to be banned it would have happened long ago, fact is I add value to this forum by initiating posts and debates, its all usage.
Rons not daft, Im worth ten of the likes of bigmc and yourself who at the moment add fuck all to the forum.
People who cause other people to post be it positive or negative are valuable.
One line posts about fucking peoples mothers are literally pointless.
This thread would have been way shorter if I had stayed out of it.
here's the thing, and I'm being serious.Heres another thing, and Im being serious.
You cheapen his accomplishment by nitpicking and bringing negative vibes to the thread. OTH deserves his props. To some of us... it doesn't stick in our craw to say "good job man" without HAVING to put a "but" on the end.
He doesnt deserve to have his thread sidetracked by your rampant assholism.. he didn't do anything wrong and backed up his pretty big talk...which is pretty impressive
Im not bothered about the whole forum jumping on me, it's only schoolyard bullying FFS.
This is the entire reason this forum has no new members signing up.
Gangs roaming around attacking people.
Grow up and the forum might actually improve.
Its a shame Ron doesn't pick up on the antics of some here, he may them be able to add to his members list.
you have a high opinion of yourselfCongratulations on your modship, great accomplishment.
im a mod on here you will never be
the only reason you havent been banned is because ron is very tolerant
90 percent of the long term members know you are a cu nt
the other 10 percent just need to read your posts to bring that up to a 100
you are a pathetic 48 year troll who's greatest accomplishment is to be banned from over 30 forums
you must be a real champ off the boards
he boasts about itBack to telling lies again.
he has been in trouble in the courts for stalking women too
guy is a creepy mother fucker
Congratulations on your modship, great accomplishment.
Some people like my posts some people dislike my posts, people respond to my posts, people send me PMs
I generate debate, what is it you do again?
I couldnt give a shit about you bigmc, you are a non-entity on this forum albeit you being a mod.
Get back to your "I fucked your Mom" posts, its what you do best.
so angry jeffreyNope, you are mistaking accuracy for anger.
you dont generate debate
you generate a reaction which is mainly stfu and stop spoiling the whole board
your stalking of oth is plain creepy
Back to telling lies again.
What a prick.
At least I dont respond to death threats by posting pics of my wife and child.
No pictures of yourself?
How does that work again?
Nope, you are mistaking accuracy for anger.
I generate debate and people reading the forum, its hits that count, thats why Im still here.
i am friends on face book with people on herePoint avoided again.
my identity has been verified by other y board posters
you are hiding behind your anonymity as we both know
Point avoided again.
Why did you post a picture of your wife and child rather than your own in response to gh15s guys threats?
Point avoided again.
Why did you post a picture of your wife and child rather than your own in response to gh15s guys threats?
still waiting jeff
or are you lying about me posting my kids pic in response to gh 15s threats?
Good job OneTimeHard!thank you sir 8)
"1"
Very impressive results!! :)coming from you, means a lot bro, thanks :)
still waiting jeff
or are you lying about me posting my kids pic in response to gh 15s threats?
You sent me a PM saying you posted your "wifes pic etc" in response to GH15s threats, I seem to have made the assumption that it included your boys pic as well.I guess you are taking over for the late peter falk as 'Colombo 2013'the uk version.colombo always mixed up the stories but managed to catch the culprit.
The boys pic was posted in your avatar by yourself on rx-muscle forums.
I seem to have mixed up the two stories.
Sorry.
You still haven't explained to people why you posted your wife's pic rather than your own in response to a death threat, seems a bit odd to me, does she know about it?
Heres another thing, and Im being serious.
Lets not forget OTH cut calories and lost weight, thats it, thats all he did, he didnt discover penicillin, a cure for cancer, travel backwards in time.
FFS lets bring a bit of reality to the situation.
I have given him props, hes done great, he looks great.
As for his thread being sidetracked, without a bit of added argument this thread would have been pretty shit.
Go through it and read it and skim all the banter, its pretty short when you break it down.
If he wanted a thread without all the banter he could have started it in the diet section.
This is the G&O section, its what happens here.
I guess you are taking over for the late peter falk as 'Colombo 2013'the uk version.colombo always mixed up the stories but managed to catch the culprit.I used to love Columbo when I was a kid, unfortunately the CPS/DA would have dropped most of his cases through lack of evidence.
I think hes had 4 from me already, and a photo in the relaxed pose thread.
I don't recall him saying anything other than he's going to diet hard
No one is suggesting we commision a bronze bust of OTH. a simple "good job" will suffice.
ok everyone, I know we need before pics for verification and I have tried to come up with something as it is not as simple as posting a fat pic cause it will follow me for ever and that is something I do not wish to go through.UR GOOD DUDE,u roll well here,great head of hair that u could shave and regrow lucky bastard lol...
So what I will do is show a select few pics of how fat I was, a few who I know you guys trust and who can vouch for me.
In the meantime, here is a pic of me with clothe on at 235lb, I had alreay lost over ten pounds here, but you can still see my double chin and in comparison a pic taken at 209lb
ok everyone, I know we need before pics for verification and I have tried to come up with something as it is not as simple as posting a fat pic cause it will follow me for ever and that is something I do not wish to go through.
So what I will do is show a select few pics of how fat I was, a few who I know you guys trust and who can vouch for me.
In the meantime, here is a pic of me with clothe on at 235lb, I had alreay lost over ten pounds here, but you can still see my double chin and in comparison a pic taken at 209lb
UR GOOD DUDE,u roll well here,great head of hair that u could shave and regrow lucky bastard lol...ya I grow hair in like that in 2 months from a shave head, do it all the time, my hair grows fast.
If you really believe OTH is intentionally fudging details here, you're lost.X1000
You sent me a PM saying you posted your "wifes pic etc" in response to GH15s threats, I seem to have made the assumption that it included your boys pic as well.
The boys pic was posted in your avatar by yourself on rx-muscle forums.
I seem to have mixed up the two stories.
Sorry.
You still haven't explained to people why you posted your wife's pic rather than your own in response to a death threat, seems a bit odd to me, does she know about it?
damn your face was bloat bro haha.this is a roofers hand, I can be 400lb fat and my hands will be muscular :D
but the finger look vascular ;D
Looking brutal as fuck, OTH.thanks bro, faith from you guys carries me a long way 8)
I never had a doubt you'd do it. Not once.
thanks bro, faith from you guys carries me a long way 8)
why would i explain anything on here to youOh you want to leave the thread to OTH now do you? ::)
i dont give a fuck dont you get that yet
lets leave the thread to oth
Oh you want to leave the thread to OTH now do you? ::)
"We will identify you Mr Bond, and we will kill you"
"Im not frightened of SPECTRE, heres my wife's picture to prove it"
im not bitingIt's no wonder you're not biting, you ought to be ashamed of yourself.
try someone else
It's no wonder you're not biting, you ought to be ashamed of yourself.
shame is an anchor that weighs a manyour learning jeff's lingo /psycology :D
look to the future jefflets its a blank canvas
shame is an anchor that weighs a manYep, put your wife in danger and just shrug it off, dont let it get you down mate.
look to the future jefflets its a blank canvas
Yep, put your wife in danger and just shrug it off, dont let it get you down mate.
this idiot is very very annoying ..yes but he is working around the clock, think of his time consumption fending off against a dozen posters who are owning him to oblivion, each of you invests 15 to 20 minutes a day, while he invests 24 hours without sleep and he is 50 years old to boot.
yes the army of elves are a frightening bunchThe real hero would have posted his own picture, not his wifes. ::)
surely the real hero is the man that knows fear yet laughs in its face
yes but he is working around the clock, think of his time consumption fending off against a dozen posters who are owning him to oblivion, each of you invests 15 to 20 minutes a day, while he invests 24 hours without sleep and he is 50 years old to boot.
SO IN ALL HONESTY, I WISH HIM TO CONTINUE AS LONG AS POSSIBLE AND AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE.
I can easily get him thrown out of this thread but I wont because he is consuming himself in his own misery and I am loving it. ;)
The real hero would have posted his own picture, not his wifes. ::)
Are you still missing that important point?
Why dont you get me thrown out and all the people who have responded to me, it will end up 4 pages long. ::)If you were thrown out of this thread, it would have been 200 pages by now easil, many many posters don't want anything to do with this thread because they have no time digging good info through all your rubbish and gibberish.
If you were thrown out of this thread, it would have been 200 pages by now easil, many many posters don't want anything to do with this thread because they have no time digging good info through all your rubbish and gibberish.Wrong, why didnt you go back and read the thread before writing that?
Remember you did not post at the beginning and this thread was up 13 pages in 2 days and when you showed up it died
ok everyone, I know we need before pics for verification and I have tried to come up with something as it is not as simple as posting a fat pic cause it will follow me for ever and that is something I do not wish to go through.
So what I will do is show a select few pics of how fat I was, a few who I know you guys trust and who can vouch for me.
In the meantime, here is a pic of me with clothe on at 235lb, I had alreay lost over ten pounds here, but you can still see my double chin and in comparison a pic taken at 209lb
;DPAGE 4 he responded with smiley face...
Jeff, I am seriously about to get on a plane, fly to the UK, and kick your wide waisted geriatric ass across the kingdom. STFU OLD MANI would snap your wasp waist in half.
Wrong, why didnt you go back and read the thread before writing that?reality check bro, the threads your in have less views, they might have more pages and more replies because 3 quarters of the posts are yours.
I SWEAR TO GOD I WOULD COMMIT SUICIDE
reality check bro, the threads your in have less views, they might have more pages and more replies because 3 quarters of the posts are yours.
But the truth is they don't get views, no one cares for your regurgitating misery and compulsive disorders, they are embarrassing for a 13 year old, let alone a 50 year old.
You are a giant fuck up in life, face the music, be a man for once in your life and do not lie to yourself, you have no one, you are not liked, you are an emotional wreck without a life, you probably have not been laid in 10 years and now you spend all day everyday around the clock on a sight trolling.
Imagine having a life like yours, I SWEAR TO GOD I WOULD COMMIT SUICIDE
reality check bro, the threads your in have less views, they might have more pages and more replies because 3 quarters of the posts are yours.
But the truth is they don't get views, no one cares for your regurgitating misery and compulsive disorders, they are embarrassing for a 13 year old, let alone a 50 year old.
You are a giant fuck up in life, face the music, be a man for once in your life and do not lie to yourself, you have no one, you are not liked, you are an emotional wreck without a life, you probably have not been laid in 10 years and now you spend all day everyday around the clock on a sight trolling.
Imagine having a life like yours, I SWEAR TO GOD I WOULD COMMIT SUICIDE
the 209 lb pic looks like a tortoise ;D;D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=485328.0;attach=535493;image)
(http://www.wildsound-filmmaking-feedback-events.com/images/full_metal_jacket_gomer_pyle.jpg)
You have no idea what my lifes like.
You have no idea what my lifes like.
I dont feel the need to advertise it on a forum.
You have no idea what my lifes like.oh yes we do, stop playing dumb.
I dont feel the need to advertise it on a forum.
You have no idea what my lifes like.by acting the way your acting and obsessing this much over someone, you are advertising very clearly what your life is like. These are not the posts of a man that is happy in life. Sorry bro, just being real.
I dont feel the need to advertise it on a forum.
(http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p569/Vincebertolini/026a154d7e91807a493e42fcc5270b22.jpg):D
;D ;DTHEY ARE USUALLY WHITE i SWEARR, LMAO
Guy in the second pic has much whiter teeth.
OTH, get those bitches bleached bro.
oh yes we do, stop playing dumb.Where on earth do you little PMing scamps get your info.
The truth is you really did try to stop trolling, you fought with all your heart but it is in your nature, it is not a show, it is not an act, YOU WISH.
THIS IS CALLED DENIAL, YOU ACT ON HERE EXACTLY LIKE YOU ARE IN REAL LIFE SO ONE CAN ONLY CONCLUDE THAT IF NOBODY LIKES YOU HERE THEN YOU GET THE SAME TREATMENT IN REAL LIFE.
I HAVE READ BETWEEN THE LINES BRO, YOU HAVE A MOTORCYCLE AND YOU DO NOT OWN A CAR, WHICH MEANS YOU ARE BROKE AS FUCK LIVING PAY CHECK TO PAY CHECK, YOU HAVE NO FULL TIME JOB BECAUSE YOU LIVE ON HERE NEARLY 24 HOURS A DAY SO YOU ARE BUM AND YOU HAVE ARE 50, LIFE IS ONLY DOWN HILL FROM HERE FOR YOU.
I SINCERELY FEEL SORRY FOR YOU, I ACTUALLY PITY YOU BRO
by acting the way your acting and obsessing this much over someone, you are advertising very clearly what your life is like. These are not the posts of a man that is happy in life. Sorry bro, just being real.BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
by acting the way your acting and obsessing this much over someone, you are advertising very clearly what your life is like. These are not the posts of a man that is happy in life. Sorry bro, just being real.(http://www.gendercoaches.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/growth-and-empowerment.jpg)
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
Where on earth do you little PMing scamps get your info.
I dont have a bike, I have a car, I have a very comfortable lifestyle, a great job which doesn't involve me having to spend 12 hours on a fucking roof, life is on the up and up for me mate.
hahaJust correcting all the nonsense you have been PMing everyone.
goes from i dont have to advertise my life
to im really successful in one post
you really suck at this
Just correcting all the nonsense you have been PMing everyone.
shitty life...shitty build...shitty attitude
jeff, when me and bigmc agree on something, you should really take notice. i have no love for that fagget but we come together for this occasion to tell you that you are acting like a loser. :D
we agree on two things
jeff is a cu nt
and you have great abs despite looking like your face has melted down one side
please bro, your talking to one of the best looking shaved head fellas on the planet. face is chiseled from granite. the type of guy that would fuck your woman right in front of you and you would enjoy watching. Ray-bans ON homey. 8)
(http://s21.postimg.org/r2at1qc0n/2013_07_29_12_51_29.jpg)
please bro, your talking to one of the best looking shaved head fellas on the planet. face is chiseled from granite. the type of guy that would fuck your woman right in front of you and you would enjoy watching. Ray-bans ON homey. 8)
(http://s21.postimg.org/r2at1qc0n/2013_07_29_12_51_29.jpg)
his build isn't shitty. he just has really tiny arms and a chicken neck.and his legs are in proportion. ;)
you ever break your nose ?you noticed. :D
and his legs are in proportion. ;)
yes. to your tiny arms. :)I was asking for that. ;D
you noticed. :D
whats worse.. it was broken by a female. LOL :D
I was asking for that. ;D
right down the middle of the plate ;DI almost edited my post , you were too fast for me.
I almost edited my post , you were too fast for me.everyone is too fast for you old timer.
everyone is too fast for you old timer.
bouncer is not too far from ukbeth in the annoyance category ..bro, stick to talking shit to the beta's. trust me, you have nothing for me. i will murder you on every level.
Where on earth do you little PMing scamps get your info.IN ONE OF YOUR POST YOU SAID YOUR BIKE WAS BROKE, SO NOT ONLY YOU HAVE A BIKE BUT A SHITTY RUN DOWN ONE TO BOOT, ALSO YOU DO NOT OWN A CAR SORRY YOUR LYING, EXPOSED AS A MISERABLE OLD MAN, GET OVER IT
I dont have a bike, I have a car, I have a very comfortable lifestyle, a great job which doesn't involve me having to spend 12 hours on a fucking roof, life is on the up and up for me mate.
IN ONE OF YOUR POST YOU SAID YOUR BIKE WAS BROKE, SO NOT ONLY YOU HAVE A BIKE BUT A SHITTY RUN DOWN ONE TO BOOT, ALSO YOU DO NOT OWN A CAR SORRY YOUR LYING, EXPOSED AS A MISERABLE OLD MAN, GET OVER ITIn one of your posts you said one thing and in another you didnt.
I was asking for that. ;DNOW YOU ARE KISSING ASS, ARE YOU EMBARRESSED
bro, stick to talking shit to the beta's. trust me, you have nothing for me. i will murder you on every level.I am not talking shit to you. I just find most of your posts genuinely annoying. You seem half delusional. Even retards can get a pair of abs so spare us the argumentative I have a six pack picture posting. Wipe the cum off your chin and measure your words CumCatcher in the Rye.
NOW YOU ARE KISSING ASS, ARE YOU EMBARRESSEDTurn your caps lock off dummy.
In one of your posts you said one thing and in another you didnt.WHAR 50 YEAR OLD DOES NOT HAVE A CAR, WTF, SHAMEFULL
I was taking the piss out of bigmc and bigcyp when they accused me of having a bike. ::)
Turn your caps lock off dummy.THEY ARE STAYING ON, LOOKS LIKE I HIT A NERVE :D
Im not a one trick pony you imbecile, I can post differently if I like you know.
I am not talking shit to you. I just find most of your posts genuinely annoying. You seem half delusional. Even retards can get a pair of abs so spare us the argumentative I have a six pack picture posting. Wipe the cum off your chin and measure your words CumCatcher in the Rye.lol that's cute, you think you look half as good as me. good stuff.
I am not talking shit to you. I just find most of your posts genuinely annoying. You seem half delusional. Even retards can get a pair of abs so spare us the argumentative I have a six pack picture posting. Wipe the cum off your chin and measure your words CumCatcher in the Rye.http://www.rufon.org/forum/index.php?topic=1783.0
lol that's cute, you think you look half as good as me. good stuff.comparing myself to you would be an insult for me in any aspect
Turn your caps lock off dummy.NO YOU CAN'T, YOU ONLY DO OUT OF DESPERATION WHEN YOU ARE PUSHED TO THE CORNER.
Im not a one trick pony you imbecile, I can post differently if I like you know.
NO YOU CAN'T, YOU ONLY DO OUT OF DESPERATION WHEN YOU ARE PUSHED TO THE CORNER.Got to me?
THE WHOLE THING OF US POSTING HOW BROKE AND POOR YOU ARE AT 50 YEARS OLD WHO CAN NOT EVEN AFFORD A CHEAP CAR GOT TO YOU
I see ukqueef is getting the gang all riled up again...Its great being so popular.
Got to me?nah bro, I am taking winters off with all the time in the world to spare, ya sucks to be me, lmao
What "got to me"?
The fact that none of its true?
Why would that bother me?
I will sit in my air conditioned office while you are hand-balling and nailing tiles on a roof all winter.
Enjoy it mate.
nah bro, I am taking winters off with all the time in the world to spare, ya sucks to be me, lmao
So since this thread is going to 200 pages can you add in your winter bulk cycle? :)yup absolutely, planning it as we speak, maybe a week or so though, stay tuned ;)
yup absolutely, planning it as we speak, maybe a week or so though, stay tuned ;)Bulk cycle?
Bulk cycle?you do want to see his ripped glutes on stage next yr no?well u might get your wish.
I thought you were staying at 215?
Not another inconsistency already. ::)
you do want to see his ripped glutes on stage next yr no?well u might get your wish.He cant get ripped glutes. ;)
Bulk cycle?if you learn how to read I told everyone I will remain 215 for 6-8 weeks.
I thought you were staying at 215?
Not another inconsistency already. ::)
you do want to see his ripped glutes on stage next yr no?well u might get your wish.LOOK HOW EDGED OUT MY CHRISTMAS TREE, RIPPED GLUTES AND CHRISTMAS TREE ARE HAND AND HAND, HARD TO HAVE ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER SO YES MY GLUTES ARE STRIATED, WILL I SHOW THEM? NOPE, WILL NOT FEED THE TROLL, LOL.
I think if ukjeff is going to continue to ramble on he should also turn his critiquing skills on himself. Jeff, do you have the balls to go take some pics right now on demand and post them? surely someone with this much to say about someone else must look amazing himself correct?HE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE THE BALLS TO SAY HE INJECTS
HE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE THE BALLS TO SAY HE INJECTSGAL is a pussy like that too. Not many real bro's around here like me and you. Fucken REAL hard as nails type cats! :D 8)
nah, oth has very thick muscle fibers,and huge legs, this is the recipe to get striated glutes, i think he has them, thick fibers will shine through even if one has thick gh skin(like all the pros)THANK YOU GAL, spot on here, my legs are in fact my best body part, the most genetically gifted bodypart I have. I didn't show them because I felt they looked better before and even at 95% they are my best body part but I PREFER THE SHOCK FACTOR and I will be squatting my ass off the entire winter so will save it for another time, no rush, my point in this thread is accomplished and I think everyone is satisfied with my achievement, I mean let's face it, if I looked like Levrone jeff would have still been regurgitating his HORSESHIT right?
this is, unless his legs entirely wasted away, which i doubt, on 2 gramms nothing wastes away :D
for me the best shot OTH posted was the standing relaxed pose. that really shows the truth. looks really good. i gotta admit, i wasnt all that impressed with the pics you posted before that.really? interesting, ya good shot but out of all the pics I took all the people I went through them with said that the best one was this one, almost everyone.
really? interesting, ya good shot but out of all the pics I took all the people I went through them with said that the best one was this one, almost everyone.The feedback was based on my upper arm to waist ratio and the thickness of my forearms and delts along with the separation in my back and of course the small waist.
but that's good anyway
really? interesting, ya good shot but out of all the pics I took all the people I went through them with said that the best one was this one, almost everyone.
but that's good anyway
no doubt you look good there but i think that's more of a "bodybuilder" type pic. the standing relaxed pic gives a better idea of you look compared to normal people if that makes any sense.oh I see, totally agree, the relax is more beech look. ya 100% agree.
LETS SEE YOUR LOVE HANDLES JEFFREY :'( :'( :'(Great pic, OTH.
well, im all natural ;D;D
yes the standing relaxed pose is brutal.
yeas oth, its always the guys with monumental huge legs and ass offseason who get the striated glutes, always, hamdis ass of season is as huge as an american black obese womans ass,lol.
and youre the kinda guy with very thick fibres(im the opposite,and i have flat 2d muscles, need be totaly shredde before striations show), that with competition level leanness will give striated glutes by default.
you can send a pic to me no homo and i could confirm, will totaly not crack one off to it, but if you dont want post it in the open,can send it to me, wont send to anyone 8)
yes that salmost galeniko level arms to waist ratio ;D
Great pic, OTH.YES another quality poster who helped motivate me.
/bunch of ocd retards in this thread. ;D
YES another quality poster who helped motivate me.Hehe. I'm only a 3 on the potato scale. Please, look elsewhere for your spuds. ;D
I HOPE YOU BACK TRACKED A FEW PAGES WHERE i put a bunch of pics, there in multiple pages starting from the last 7 pages or so. Please check em out bro. Thanks
Hehe. I'm only a 3 on the potato scale. Please, look elsewhere for your spuds. ;DFAITH is the most important motivator in my books, having a few guys cheering me on is all I need, no homo 8)
yes, ukjeff's posts are obnoxious fillerI appreciate that, we are here for information sake and there is always some weasle trying to sabotage everything.
I scroll past them to read OTH and galeniko
;D
the whole post made me laugh, hamdi ''a black womans ass'' lmao
well I will be sending pics alright but of my off season. I have picked you, chiro and OMR to vouch for me as you guys are the most sincere posters and I can trust you guys not to show them to anyone but you can describe them to a T.
OTH, congrats! Great job bud! Thanks for the inspiration too.hey thanks buddy, glad to hear from you.
But jesus christ this uk guy is fucking annoying. How can I block this guys posts or some shit?
OTH,.. will you keep this new shape as your normal forever shape or you will return to look like a ballon again ;DWell excellent question, here is my thoughts, I will push hard to eat as clean as possible but still eat like a monster 4000 plus calories but 350 grams of carbs and 350 grams of protein.
man you look great now,.. sure you will start to eat normally after achieving your goal and will add some fats but i hope you keep things under control and always be in shape..
Will be happy to brother.give me a few days, bro my word you will be in total awe on how fat I was, 38 inch waist, no lines anywhere whatsoever, trust me when you see the pics you will see I was not exaggerating at all, 246lb is no joke.
hey thanks buddy, glad to hear from you.
As for jeff, I don't know why he actually thinks he is accomplishing anything other then looking like a fool, his goal is to hinder my credibility but he has only helped make it stronger, oh well. NO SKIN OFF MY BACK.
I AM IN HEAVEN FROM ALL THE KIND WORDS AROUND HERE, GETBIG IS MY HOME AND I AM VERY GRATEFUL FOR ALL THE COMPLIMENTS, THEY REALLY DO MEAN A LOT TO ME. :)
Hey dude. Me and you don't blow smoke up each other's ass and can respectfully disagree on things, always respect there.. ..but real is real. You look freaking great.bro your genetics are the best here hands down, you could have easily been a pro, no joke, dial it in like me and gal and you will blow us out of the water.
I FINALLY got some killer Tren again....diet is dialed in. Night sweats...dropping fat daily. Love it, LOL. I think I'll be posting some physique shots again real soon....now you have inspired me.
bro your genetics are the best here hands down, you could have easily been a pro, no joke, dial it in like me and gal and you will blow us out of the water.
glad to hear this from you, If I lived near you believe you-me I WOULD BE CONVINCING YOU TO JUMP ON STAGE. :)
LETS SEE YOUR LOVE HANDLES JEFFREY :'( :'( :'((http://s10.postimg.org/84dokoi2h/Untitled.jpg)
GAL is a pussy like that too. Not many real bro's around here like me and you. Fucken REAL hard as nails type cats! :D 8)so you are a "hard as nails type cat"
Well excellent question, here is my thoughts, I will push hard to eat as clean as possible but still eat like a monster 4000 plus calories but 350 grams of carbs and 350 grams of protein.Totally delusional.
So I can not see myself getting fat from this, as I Weigh 213 right now and still pretty shredded, I actually feel leaner then when I was 213 on the way down, so we will maintain for 6 weeks but then I will gain 20lb on a 6 week slin protocol then drop the slin for 6 weeks, drop 10 lb and do another 6 weeks slin protocol and gain 15 lb, mild dose post workout only to test the waters.
So I might hit 240lb again but I guarantee it will be still with faded abs and not fat, keep in mind this is all for my national qualifier in JUNE which might put me at 210-215lb on stage
(http://s10.postimg.org/84dokoi2h/Untitled.jpg)
lmaothis dude seriously looks like he is 165lb, look at his chest, flat as a board, his legs and arms are bean poles, he looks 30lb minimum under the weight hew claims, he is lean and looks good but he has no bulge to any of his muscles, no pop, flat, stringy, skinny looking muscle.
lmaolmao?
this dude seriously looks like he is 165lb, look at his chest, flat as a board, his legs and arms are bean poles, he looks 30lb minimum under the weight hew claims, he is lean and looks good but he has no bulge to any of his muscles, no pop, flat, stringy, skinny looking muscle.204lbs in that pic
204lbs in that pic
at what weight did you compete at onstage?90kilo(198lbs) light heavy back in 96.
90kilo(198lbs) light heavy back in 96.ya but the difference is everyone that sees me everywhere I go asks me if I am 230.
Im always going to be a light heavy, I don't have the genetics to be a heavyweight.
OTH should come to terms with that fact as well.
ya but the difference is everyone that sees me everywhere I go asks me if I am 230.You aint a heavyweight.
The day I took pics a guy at the gym asked me if I was 240lb and I said no, I am 206 lb and like 3 others there where like, no fucken way I am 206.
The next day at the bvodybuilding show, tons of people kept asking me my weight and not one thought I was less then 220lb, in person I always looked 20-30lb heavier, and no body ever believes me when I tell them my weight.
you are exact opposite, you look skinny in all pics from every angle, easily look 20 lb less, you look 180 at the very most in some pics and in others you look like you are 165lb
lmao?
You have never seen that and will never see that you fat fuck.
I think ukjeff is getting really mad when people don't fall over his build. He does look excellent for a 50 yo granted. I am sure he understands a lot etc etc .. but to criticize OTH is childish because that guy is honest, decent and inspiring. So why pick on him and not praise?HE does.he gets props but why post here around oth thread pics to try to get 'uk well done 'if people post around his pics and glance and go to comment on oth ,uk's pics get less attention hence the backlash comments HE DIRECTS AT OTH .
PS: I gotta compliment suckeybeth so he won't smap the thread with another 50 posts ;D
HE does.he gets props but why post here around oth thread pics to try to get 'uk well done 'if people post around his pics and glance and go to comment on oth ,uk's pics get less attention hence the backlash comments HE DIRECTS A OTH .so true
oth , whens that contest?we will see but 25lb out from contest is not blowing up off season, certainly no where near where I was
why not keep the shredddness, add little bit gh and somewhat increase the dosage on steroids, pretty much same dieting, and then some weeks before contest going off the gh, this would bring couple lbs of pure muscle and spare you the effort or bulking and then dieting again.
the water from the gh would make sure you have the extra power for workouts,all while staying shredded
just a suggestion :D
Bulking up is a mistake OTH. Your going to add weight only to diet back down and look pretty much the same. Stay tight and lean, try and get the skin on abs to tighten up a bit more. Much less work for you and you get the same or better result. My 2 cents..8) advice.
But maintaining close to contest level leanness until June next year will not allow him to slab on the mass it takes to place top tier at his shows. Just keeping things disciplined and decently lean is best I think, besides who want to be be a grouchy bastard all year round for the sake of six pack? ;)
Bulking up is a mistake OTH. Your going to add weight only to diet back down and look pretty much the same. Stay tight and lean, try and get the skin on abs to tighten up a bit more. Much less work for you and you get the same or better result. My 2 cents..
But maintaining close to contest level leanness until June next year will not allow him to slab on the mass it takes to place top tier at his shows. Just keeping things disciplined and decently lean is best I think, besides who want to be be a grouchy bastard all year round for the sake of six pack? ;)no i dont mean stay in contest leanness. just stay around 7-8ish%
If he not competing until June he certainly could add some muscle and avoid getting fat by keeping a tight, but higher calorie diet (raising protein and carbs).agree
How can one really know body fat percentage anyway, it would take dexa scan or what not to get that right. I go by the mirror not weight or body fat guessing.
Mr Swoliosis is as smooth as a babys bum. 10-12 percent you should still see abs and cuts in quads, that is fine. How can one really know body fat percentage anyway, it would take dexa scan or what not to get that right. I go by the mirror not weight or body fat guessing.
The mirror can lie to you though...perception
Better post pics on getbig and we'll let you know. ;D
The mirror can lie to you though...perception
Better post pics on getbig and we'll let you know. ;D
personally Im of the beiief if you take shit in high enough doses for long shit starts to happen (ie permanent changes)... new muscle satellite cells. I get softer off gear, but the muscle doesn't really go anywhere. at least not like when I used to come off..
and permanently neuter ones natural test production:)
personally Im of the beiief if you take shit in high enough doses for long shit starts to happen (ie permanent changes)... new muscle satellite cells.I get softer off gear, but the muscle doesn't really go anywhere. at least not like when I used to come off..
and permanently neuter ones natural test production:)
Cycles yeah but its difficult to make steady progress year round and maintain shape. I prefer to do my gear with a show at the end of the tunnel, it justifies it and I train harder and eat cleaner knowing my ass will be either celebrated or handed to me come show day lol
Cycles yeah but its difficult to make steady progress year round and maintain shape. I prefer to do my gear with a show at the end of the tunnel, it justifies it and I train harder and eat cleaner knowing my ass will be either celebrated or handed to me come show day lol
on top of it 'no one 'has not been on here lately to join the fray.Peanut allergy?
Peanut allergy?LOL'GOOD ONE'
LOL'GOOD ONE'If you take away my posts criticising certain individuals when it's actually warranted then you would see me in a different light.
But maintaining close to contest level leanness until June next year will not allow him to slab on the mass it takes to place top tier at his shows. Just keeping things disciplined and decently lean is best I think, besides who want to be be a grouchy bastard all year round for the sake of six pack? ;)big ro is right here, june is 3 querters of year away, not wise t stay in this condition.
. I have come to the conclusion im gonna have to force myself to do a show if i ever wanto achieve the physique i want to (wheels etc). Thats probably what I'll do, show up weigh in and leave lolTHANKS BRO
btw OTH you look great very impressive. shocked us all
If you take away my posts criticising certain individuals when it's actually warranted then you would see me in a different light.
Im not afraid to step outside the box and ask the questions other people are afraid to.
(I have PMs of support by the way) ;)
If it were anyone else outside the "click" posting as many inconstancies as OTH they would have been savaged.
if you have pms of support you must be doing the right thing;D
i stand corrected you are awesome
good job 8)
big ro is right here, june is 3 querters of year away, not wise t stay in this condition.(http://www.martaandreasen.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/cloud_cuckoo_land.png)
I was 206 lb in the same condition as 80% of bodybuilders jump on stage, I easily gained 10lb of muscle.
I took 2 pics of 246lb, one form 5 years ago and one from now and the difference is easily 12-15lb of muscle so now I took 2 pics, one of my 205lb contest placing and one of my 206lb last Friday and the difference is 3-5lb f muscle so hence I gained 10lb of muscle at least.
SO IF i go back to 246 with the added 10lb I WOULD NOT BE AS FAT AS I WAS WHEN I STARTED THIS DIET, ALSO I PLAN ON GAINING ANOTHER 10LB WHICH WOULD BE A BREEZE FROM HERE TO NEXT JUNE.
AND ALSO I WILL NOT PAST 240, SO THAT WOULD EQUAL 25LB OF OFF SEASON WEIGHT, THAT IS STILL 10% FAT OR LESS, STILL REAL LEAN.
I was 206 lb in the same condition as 80% of bodybuilders jump on stage, I easily gained 10lb of muscle.Whilst in around a 3000 cal a day deficit at least?
one of my 205lb contest placing and one of my 206lb last Friday and the difference is 3-5lb f muscle so hence I gained 10lb of muscle at least.So you are in better shape now than when you last stepped onstage?
ALSO I PLAN ON GAINING ANOTHER 10LB WHICH WOULD BE A BREEZE FROM HERE TO NEXT JUNE.Bearing in mind you have only gained 3-5lb in the last 5 years you should piss it.
here he goes again ;DIm just writing what others are thinking but dont have the bollocks to. ;)
Im just writing what others are thinking but dont have the bollocks to. ;)
I can't put my head in someone else's mind so maybe.Its because they are the ones who post bollocks and it goes unchecked, anyone else posts bollocks and they get chastised by the MOB.
But it's always the same guys you go after I wonder why...
So BigRo, what is your approach then?
Whats a standard 'run' for you and how many months of a year are you OFF everything, completely?
Standard run from 12-20 weeks, since my first inject cycle last may I have been off for a total of about 22 weeks, not long enough I suppose but there's always a show coming up to justify my addiction...
Attention all forum members.yes true...as opposed to whom ,usually you have a kick in the balls direct comment to someone after the fact.
Thats bodybuilding genetics right there.
yes true...as opposed to whom ,usually you have a kick in the balls direct comment to someone after the fact.You have a skewed view of me thats been placed in your mind due to you sitting on the sidelines watching the mob.
You have a skewed view of me thats been placed in your mind due to you sitting on the sidelines watching the mob.
Step out of the shadows, the light wont burn you.
there is no mob on here jeffI expect you would say that being the "would be" leader of the mob.
its in your head
this crusade you are own exists only in your mind
you are using it to justify the stalking of oth like you are holding him to account
for making the odd mistake in his posts
its pathetic however you paint it
I expect you would say that being the "would be" leader of the mob.
Anyway, I made a promise to myself to ignore your stupidity and I have blocked your PMs a while ago, its a shame there isn't an ignore function.
Consider yourself ignored from now on.
Just don't make up any more lies about me to try and bolster your bloated image.
you ignore me because i strike too close to homeanother lie.
we both know what you are
its pathetic that you have to post on here about blocking me on pm
simply because you are so angry that i blocked you
you are one creepy old weirdo
another lie.
FFS grow up you bucket of lard.
hahaMy dads bigger than your dad.
creepy stalker
how about we make a deal if ron or admin is able to tell when you block someone
il bet my account against yours that i blocked you first
My dads bigger than your dad.
Grow up you pillock.
you just admitted you are full of shitDid you tell me you blocked me at the time you did it?
it was you that brought it up
how pathetic blocking someone back because your feelings are hurt
you pathetic creepy old cu nt
You have a skewed view of me thats been placed in your mind due to you sitting on the sidelines watching the mob.UK I can stand up if needed,and I do not think I jump on the pile as it gets higher with you under it when it pertains to the 'mob' as u pointed out.i have agreed with you on plenty ,I chose careful and little words,unless of course we are talking about a bber's ripped glutes .
Step out of the shadows, the light wont burn you.
Did you tell me you blocked me at the time you did it?
Why would I send you a PM and find out?
I can find the date I blocked you if you like and then you can find yours, you up for that?
how about we get ron or admin to do itLets just nip this in the bud shall we.
when they prove i blocked you first then you blocked me back like a scorned spoiled little bitch
you deleted your account
if you blocked me first il delete mine its that simple
the facts will be irrefutable
you are a liar therefore your word means nothing ron or admin have no horse in this race
in fact you recently posted that ron valued you more than me
Lets just nip this in the bud shall we.
Why did you post a picture of your wife in response to a death threat rather than your own?
you just admitted you are full of shitrotflmao
it was you that brought it up
how pathetic blocking someone back because your feelings are hurt
you pathetic creepy old cu nt
why are you changing the subjectIm posting the question that you refuse to answer and makes everyone a little less comfortable about you.
are you taking the bet or not
Im posting the question that you refuse to answer and makes everyone a little less comfortable about you.
;)
are you taking the betI posted a pic of your child that you posted in your avatar on RX-Muscle, do you really want to go over all your lies about that again?
if you want to discuss pics
why did you post a pic of my child on here
and why did you join gh 15s forum and pm mods pics of my wife
Lets just nip this in the bud shall we.don't you ever mention someones wife on here again, you creepy fuck. Why are you even saying those words, that is out of bounds you low life scum bag
Why did you post a picture of your wife in response to a death threat rather than your own?
don't you ever mention someones wife on here again, you creepy fuck. Why are you even saying those words, that is out of bounds you low life scum bagFuck off dickhead
I posted a pic of your child that you posted in your avatar on RX-Muscle, do you really want to go over all your lies about that again?
Last line is another lie, show me your evidence.
I posted a pic of your child that you posted in your avatar on RX-Muscle, do you really want to go over all your lies about that again?who cares if he posted it first, he is allowed to, you are not.
Last line is another lie, show me your evidence.
you are scum
you keep trying to pass the buck to me
but you have no morals you are a low life
you broke the cardinal rule on here and dont even have the decency to apologise
one day your identity will come out then we will see if you keep attacking people and posting pics of their kids
some how i doubt it
Fuck off dickheadhe is allowed too you dumb fuck, that is his wife, but you are not allowed to yo creepy fucking low life PICE OF SHIT, THAT IS NOT ALLOWED, YOU CROSSED LINES BECAUSE YOU ARE SICK CREEPY INDIVIDUAL
He posted his wifes pics on here you dumb special needs twat.
You actually pick me up on that and dont have the bollocks to ask him why he posted his wifes pic and possibly put her in danger.
Jeez, really?
who cares if he posted it first, he is allowed to, you are not.
you posted a pic of his child you sick dirty fuck, you should get your ass kicked for that, that is someone elses child, don't ever post a pic of someone else's child, even if it has been posted already, that is a big NONO
look mate the entire episode was a total made up situation by yourself, you lied from day one about it.
And is that another veiled threat, I have news for you mate, Im not scared of you.
he is allowed too you dumb fuck, that is his wife, but you are not allowed to yo creepy fucking low life PICE OF SHIT, THAT IS NOT ALLOWED, YOU CROSSED LINES BECAUSE YOU ARE SICK CREEPY INDIVIDUALI didnt post any pictures of his wife.
its not a threatYou put the child and your wife at risk when you posted the pictures online not me.
stop being paranoid
you are scum putting peoples children at risk just to troll them
you can tell you dont have kids
only a lonely bitter old sterile twat like you would do something like that
who cares if he posted it first, he is allowed to, you are not.
you posted a pic of his child you sick dirty fuck, you should get your ass kicked for that, that is someone elses child, don't ever post a pic of someone else's child, even if it has been posted already, that is a big NONO
Says who?
Are they your rules?
He put the picture in the public domain in his avatar on another site.
Some of the shit that goes down on this forum makes my actions look pretty tame.
Says who?ASK AROUND YOU FUCKTARD, THAT IS THE WAY IT WORKS, DO NO'T POST PICS OF FAMILY MEMBERS ESPECIALLY CHILDREN, YOU DESERVE TO GET YOUR HEAD SPLIT OPEN WITH A SLEDGE HAMMER FOR POSTING A PIC OF SOMEONE ELSES CHILD AND THAT GOES FOR ANYONE.
Are they your rules?
He put the picture in the public domain in his avatar on another site.
Some of the shit that goes down on this forum makes my actions look pretty tame.
liarBecause the mike smith wasn't me.
why did you complain to the mods about the pics of mike smith that were from facebook a public domain
you are a liar and a hypocrite
you hide behind your anonymity a faceless coward sniping from the shadows
Lots of old, and severly depleted dudes, cramping in this thread.You know what mate, you are right, why am I wasting my fucking time on this site full of pricks.
Because the mike smith wasn't me.
If it had been me then I wouldn't have bothered.
The fact it wasn't me was the issue.
He could have had some fuckwit from here turning up and attacking him.
Jezz you are dumb at times.
X2JUST FOR JUSTIFYING IT RIGHT NOW, THE ENTIRE GETBIG WILL KNOW HIS TRUE COLORS
Some people just don't get it. I can talk about my child all day long...you can't. Its really very simple.
Of course there will be the usual scummy fucks that justify it.
I see UKJeff just did.....shocking ::)
You know what mate, you are right, why am I wasting my fucking time on this site full of pricks.LMAO, i would be a millionaire for every time i hear yu say yu are done and don't really leave, just a dollar for every time.
Im done.
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I have no horse in this race, but I will say that I think everyone here brings a lot of entertaining material.Bullshit!!!! i acm be friends with everyone. How can you hate Shizzo? :-\
I say you guys just move forward and stay out of each other's way. I know it's easier said than done, but I think you're all good folks.
Perpetual trolling from both ends gets daunting after a while, but that's the nature of GetBig. We can't be friends with everyone. The usual added element of chaos brings about interesting debates.
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I have no horse in this race, but I will say that I think everyone here brings a lot of entertaining material.well you should let it take it's course, we are not complaining about the troll and he drew first on this one, a dozen guys here are taking it to him for the mods to say, that is enough? why?
I say you guys just move forward and stay out of each other's way. I know it's easier said than done, but I think you're all good folks.
Perpetual trolling from both ends gets daunting after a while, but that's the nature of GetBig. We can't be friends with everyone. The usual added element of chaos brings about interesting debates.
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don't you ever mention someones wife on here again, you creepy fuck. Why are you even saying those words, that is out of bounds you low life scum bag
well you should let it take it's course, we are not complaining about the troll and he drew first on this one, a dozen guys here are taking it to him for the mods to say, that is enough? why?
HE TALKS HIS TRASH AND WHEN YOU GUYS STEP AND STOP IT YOU STOP HIS OPPOSITION WHILE HE ALREADY DID HIS SHARE. NOT COOL
Better to stop it from the getgo which the mods never did 10 pages ago or don't stop it at all, I vote don't stop it at all.
I have no horse in this race, but I will say that I think everyone here brings a lot of entertaining material.
I say you guys just move forward and stay out of each other's way. I know it's easier said than done, but I think you're all good folks.
Perpetual trolling from both ends gets daunting after a while, but that's the nature of GetBig. We can't be friends with everyone. The usual added element of chaos brings about interesting debates.
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Oh, I never said I am going to stop it in my post. I simply said that it will be perpetual and to no avail.I stand corrected, my bad. ;)
Take a look at my post again OTH, I just want you guys to not waste your energy on something that clearly has no solution.
In other words, at no point did I ever suggest that I would stop anything. I just think you are ALL (both corners) wasting your time.
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I have a feeling that Jeff is done (by his own accord) here on the forum. I could be mistaken, but I think this time he might be serious.Yes, according to bigmc. They are like twins.
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I stand corrected, my bad. ;)
It is just that the last time when posts started getting deleted the one who benefited the most from it was the troll, while everyone else got their posts deleted. Ya he got his deleted as well but he had already trolled his mother load by this point and when people where left to return the favor they couldn't so it was like thanks but no thanks.
This time around it was different, the second he started trolling everyone jumped on his throat so just didn't want mods to start deleting posts at this point as he is quickly learning his lesson this time around.
how fast do you wither away when off?
do you try to stay somewhat lean when off, or try to hold weight,or lol,dont care at all?
I have no horse in this race, but I will say that I think everyone here brings a lot of entertaining material.Solid Mod post. ;D
I say you guys just move forward and stay out of each other's way. I know it's easier said than done, but I think you're all good folks.
Perpetual trolling from both ends gets daunting after a while, but that's the nature of GetBig. We can't be friends with everyone. The usual added element of chaos brings about interesting debates.
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Solid Mod post. ;D
/and the Black/race posts have thinned on the G&O front page, too. Been a long time.
Standard run from 12-20 weeks, since my first inject cycle last may I have been off for a total of about 22 weeks, not long enough I suppose but there's always a show coming up to justify my addiction...
Nothing will be deleted within this thread.well the fact that he is claiming he is done is a clear indication of him being emotionally bothered by the outcome, he is clearly a disturbed individual who really needs help.
The only reason anything got deleted the last time was because members asked for it, since they really enjoyed the raw dieting material in this thread. For now, everything stands as is, but I believe Jeff might be moving on.
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I don't think I've seen a getbigger make people more angry than Jeff does/did. Perhaps Squad, booty or Shizzo (when he did the king act). ;Dpossibly but it takes him 24 hours of posting around the clock without sleeping or showering to do so and in the process he also has his rants and meltdowns.
How come you don't stay on TRT at least?
haha brother, in case you care how its with me, haha, im not the biggest monster out there, its all arms and bit quality here and there, but its rather thin layer, so it looks only impressive when shredded.interesting, I get off gear all the time but with me I don't train either or eat good, just a complete 180 degree turn, lol.
now when going off, the first 2-3 weeks, the strenght goes right down the toilet,in literal sense, some volume is pissed out.
the pumps become vague memory, but the body itself lkks its very best in this period, very cut, as long the diet is dead on.and face leans out quickly.
then comes the choice between -metaphoricaly speaking- shit and dierhea, trying to keep size or staying lean.
if i try to keep size, i will look like absolute shit within the next 2-3 weeks, if i try to stay lean,i deflate to paper thin look from side, and the diet must be dead on, every little icecream seems to be on the waist,lower back, ass by the next day.
and whatevr path i choose, by week 6-8 its like jumping off a cliff haha.all voume gone, and bodyfat building up no matter what.
i prefer to stay as lean as possible in that time, the apetite is gone anyway and the comebacks are very easy and fast if lean, doesnt even matter if literaly all size is gone(i feel it doesnt go anywhere,it just deflates and doesnt take in the nutritiens properly anymore, and due to me being flat-ish kinda built, even relatively thin layer of fat will make it look like nothing).
the comeback from fatleniko was harder than say a contest prep diet.i never wanna go through that again.
Me and Gal agree. Without drugs suicide is the only option.
You're welcome... :)
Unfortunately, the Hebrew insults are at an all-time high.
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haha brother, in case you care how its with me, haha, im not the biggest monster out there, its all arms and bit quality here and there, but its rather thin layer, so it looks only impressive when shredded.
now when going off, the first 2-3 weeks, the strenght goes right down the toilet,in literal sense, some volume is pissed out.
the pumps become vague memory, but the body itself lkks its very best in this period, very cut, as long the diet is dead on.and face leans out quickly.
then comes the choice between -metaphoricaly speaking- shit and dierhea, trying to keep size or staying lean.
if i try to keep size, i will look like absolute shit within the next 2-3 weeks, if i try to stay lean,i deflate to paper thin look from side, and the diet must be dead on, every little icecream seems to be on the waist,lower back, ass by the next day.
and whatevr path i choose, by week 6-8 its like jumping off a cliff haha.all voume gone, and bodyfat building up no matter what.
i prefer to stay as lean as possible in that time, the apetite is gone anyway and the comebacks are very easy and fast if lean, doesnt even matter if literaly all size is gone(i feel it doesnt go anywhere,it just deflates and doesnt take in the nutritiens properly anymore, and due to me being flat-ish kinda built, even relatively thin layer of fat will make it look like nothing).
the comeback from fatleniko was harder than say a contest prep diet.i never wanna go through that again.
???
i thought we just agreed the black insults had tailed off
I have a feeling that Jeff is done (by his own accord) here on the forum. I could be mistaken, but I think this time he might be serious.
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good
I've found a nice year 'round happy medium in 80/20.sounds like it is working great and they are not all out cheat days either.
Five days a week it's lean protein and greens with some fats coming once a day from egg yolks or Salmon.
On the two cheat days, I'll start with a proper bodybuilding meal, then do the burgers, pizza or whatever with ice cream or froyo for desert. I've found that if I confine cheating to one day, I go too berserk and make myself sick trying to get in every fun food I wanna eat. With the two semi-cheat day approach, you can have some fun; yet no one day is a complete disaster.
Hahaha for real?It would be a day to celebrate when jeff leaves, everyone here would be extremely happy but we all know that little weasle is not going anywhere.
I had sex with my wife this morning before work, but this news just made my day ;D
PIP Mike Smith.
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It would be a day to celebrate when jeff leaves, everyone here would be extremely happy but we all know that little weasle is not going anywhere.
We just crushed his morale yesterday so badly he is in corner crying, when he recovers he will be back for more like an idiot, oh well :-\
Shame I wasn't logged in to strike the final blow
Shame I wasn't logged in to strike the final blowWell yesterday he crucified himself. He said he can post pics of other people's family members, including children, if he wants and he continued to say as long they are already posted there shouldn't be a problem with him posting them again, yes including children.
What made him leave?Someone found out his name?
not enough pics of ripped glutes;D
not enough pics of ripped glutes
Why are you guys so mean to jeff :(
Because he's the type of guy in real life who would have been punched in the mouth by 100% of getbiggers.
Why are you guys so mean to jeff :(we aren't mean enough, his behavior here deserves worse treatment
fixed
he will come back on another account
he has been banned from another forum 30 times
PIP Mike Smith.Any moron can tell that is/was not UK Jeff. I am tired of the lies at this point. Jeffley never existed until proven otherwise.
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Any moron can tell that is/was not UK Jeff. I am tired of the lies at this point. Jeffley never existed until proven otherwise.
Fantastic gimmick by the way. One of the best ever.
jeff is not real?of course he wasnt everyone knew and oth noone and bigmc just played along
I've found a nice year 'round happy medium in 80/20.
Five days a week it's lean protein and greens with some fats coming once a day from egg yolks or Salmon.
On the two cheat days, I'll start with a proper bodybuilding meal, then do the burgers, pizza or whatever with ice cream or froyo for desert. I've found that if I confine cheating to one day, I go too berserk and make myself sick trying to get in every fun food I wanna eat. With the two semi-cheat day approach, you can have some fun; yet no one day is a complete disaster.
I like that. good idea
2 days is too much for me. slowly turn into a fat shit. 6 days strict with 1 cheat day works perfectly for me. (Cheat day includes 3 big meals of whatever I want and 30 min cardio)
1 whole cheat day is too much to hold my condition, it just doesnt work.
2 whole cheat days id be as fat as bouncer ;D
2 big cheat meals weekly on day 1 and 4 is the max to keep the conditioning, but i cant go full out on those meals.
2 whole days is too much,that will be an eternal 8-10% body.
1 whole cheat day is too much to hold my condition, it just doesnt work.
2 whole cheat days id be as fat as bouncer ;D
2 big cheat meals weekly on day 1 and 4 is the max to keep the conditioning, but i cant go full out on those meals.
2 whole days is too much,that will be an eternal 8-10% body.
I'm with you here on 2 cheat meals per week. I'm not Galeniko shredded, but I don't look fat like Bouncer either, so it's the perfect balance for me.
but I don't look fat like Bouncer either
2 whole cheat days id be as fat as bouncer
i see how it is around here. you faggets see my rise to power and now your ganging up on me! :DHeavy is thy crown. Too bad you will never wear it.
same here, but only it its heavy liqor pure, no sugary drinks with that, and no beer.
the vasularity comes quite immediately, and the next day everything is bit more shredded, as long i dont eat a thing.
its weird indeed, maybe the alc makes one drink less water and the haevy liqors dont have much calories, this combo will have heavy diuretic effect.
i think its something to do with that.
the best look seems to be towards the end of the night for me.
but yeah why and how it works,no idea, and its likely to only work if one follwos diet correctly the 99% of the remaining time, shitso the estrogenic bitch is living testimony to that.
:D
So the Shizzo principles have worked all along.
So the Shizzo principles have worked all along.
same here, but only it its heavy liqor pure, no sugary drinks with that, and no beer.
diet coke and rum or vodka. never catch me drinking sugar drink filth. i pour that kind of shit on fella like shitzo's head sitting in the corner drinking his misery away. 8)you big pussy ;D
Vodka with vodka. Polish style :Dyou polish guys are fucking nuts when it comes to vodka. A part i was at every swedes took 30% vodka and blended it woth 70 % coke and this polish guy had a big glass full of vodka and only put in a coupöe of drops of coke to color it a little bit lol
you polish guys are fucking nuts when it comes to vodka. A part i was at every swedes took 30% vodka and blended it woth 70 % coke and this polish guy had a big glass full of vodka and only put in a coupöe of drops of coke to color it a little bit lolMy Polish buddy Janish is a freak when it comes to vodka, pure freak, takes a straight shot every 5 minutes on the clock and keeps that pace for 5 hours
My Polish buddy Janish is a freak when it comes to vodka, pure freak, takes a straight shot every 5 minutes on the clock and keeps that pace for 5 hourslol thats crazy.
does it actualy have sweet cinnamon taste,ro?
doesnt seem possible, but if, thats next on the list,some day soon :D
The alochol dehydrates you. And if you ate some nice shitty carbs like most of us when you're toasted... it's a nIce effect for about half the day....LOL.
how is everyone? I went to Chinese buffet today ;DDADDY LOVE YOU LONG TIME'NO RACIST'
man was that heaven
i didnt:o :o :o shreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeded, wow bro you step it up a notch, that is eyelid skin thickness territory :o
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yah i like the fingerthick striations on the lower back ;D
and the lat hanging on it so nicely.
8)
rear double biceps looks quite insane, but cant properly take pic of that pose.
just hold the phone in one hand and take it on mirrorfuck, I tried that, easier said then done, lol.
Looking great OTH, I stayed out of this thread because of the retardedness but finally seeing the pics, shredded!THANKS BRO 8)
Sick delts.8) thanks
someone wanted rear double bicepsnice g...
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bouncer, you fat fuck, where you at ;D
Couple back shots...
Couple back shots...You might be as big as me.
Couple back shots...
thats because hes natural 8)And yet BigRo has pics of him looking like a skinny hippy. I guess he has Levrone genetics. It's not the fact that some people blow up like a balloon on drugs. Not hating, just a fact.
the difference,besides the mass, is he has superior insertions and god given shape.
this is 1 in a million genetics,esp for white guys.no amount of rows will fix that.
and on top of that, it might even be a slight bit leaner than me,or say, bit more water drawn out,hard to tell,maybe bigro can comment on that, but his glutes are bit leaner than mine there, but this mustnt mean its the same for the back.
dont know, would be interesting to hear his view.
And yet BigRo has pics of him looking like a skinny hippy. I guess he has Levrone genetics. It's not the fact that some people blow up like a balloon on drugs. Not hating, just a fact.ro admitted to taking breaks from ped's,and lets body rest then goes full steam again'levronesque...
ro admitted to taking breaks from ped's,and lets body rest then goes full steam again'levronesque...Not hating on BigRo at all. Just shows you the power of steroids.
Not hating on BigRo at all. Just shows you the power of steroids.
genetics are more important than drugsThat is a good point. You don't know unless you try type of deal. For guys like Levrone and BigRo, it only makes sense to take big breaks, and let the body rest. Most guys have to be on "something" year round.
if it was just drugs we would all look like big ro
there are many factors it goes
genetics
drugs
diet
training
and of course the single minded dedication to keep going
Couple back shots...
hey mongoloid cornuto,sit your semen filled ass down and listen.You are a fucking idiot. None of this is possible without the drugs. That is my point you moron. BigRo would shrink back to the skinny hippie doing yoga. That is his natural physique.
big ro blows back up so fast becasue he had the physique before, you imbecile knuckledragger.
you wouldnt know that, you never had a physique, you just have a pale bag filled with bones, shit and alcohol as body, topped with a god damned ugly mug.
heres what happens whe you go off ped, glycogen and water isnt stored so well anymore, it goes to the "wrong" places, muscle loose the volume but theyre stil there, and layer of fats surrounds them a bit.
heres what happen when you stop training, skidmark, are you listening?
the muscle goes away .duh.
levrone came into shape within 3 months, yeah, but after he dveleoped the body and then stopped.
levrone or nobody goes from starting point to full blown within 3 months.
this only happens if the muscle was there before, like in levrone and big ro case.
now go and work on your liver cirhossis please, make it happen soon, sip couple heavy likors,you digusting turd.
seriously,the only thing good about you, seeing you kills my apetite for couple hours.
the only thing good you could do for society i bit economic boost by dying, then youd be somewhat productive part of coffin industy,organ donor goes out the window for you.not very useful,are you.
you piece of dog shit
nice summary, i wouldnt put it in that order, but those are all the factors.
hey mongoloid cornuto,sit your semen filled ass down and listen.
big ro blows back up so fast becasue he had the physique before, you imbecile knuckledragger.
you wouldnt know that, you never had a physique, you just have a pale bag filled with bones, shit and alcohol as body, topped with a god damned ugly mug.
heres what happens whe you go off ped, glycogen and water isnt stored so well anymore, it goes to the "wrong" places, muscle loose the volume but theyre stil there, and layer of fats surrounds them a bit.
heres what happen when you stop training, skidmark, are you listening?
the muscle goes away .duh.
levrone came into shape within 3 months, yeah, but after he dveleoped the body and then stopped.
levrone or nobody goes from starting point to full blown within 3 months.
this only happens if the muscle was there before, like in levrone and big ro case.
now go and work on your liver cirhossis please, make it happen soon, sip couple heavy likors,you digusting turd.
seriously,the only thing good about you, seeing you kills my apetite for couple hours.
the only thing good you could do for society i bit economic boost by dying, then youd be somewhat productive part of coffin industy,organ donor goes out the window for you.not very useful,are you.
you piece of dog shit
eat shit,you incest offspring turdHow old are you again Gal? Late 20's? You look late 40's. Taking a pharmacy to look small (ripped, but small) You obviously do not have the genetics.
Shitzo severely and completely owned.How so? Drugs are obviously the key to a guy like BigRo's success. There is no hate or jealousy in what I am saying.
take it up with ro, finocchio.Tell him to stop taking any roids for one year. He will be on that yoga mountain in the woods in no time.
ask him directly how much % drugs make of the whole deal.
"its not possible wo drugs" whoohooo, cry a river ::)
seriosuly, fuck you.
liver cirhosis, quick quick.*realyy* hoping it hits you asap
Couple back shots...perfection
Seeing galeniko angry > seeing shizzo owned.He gets angry when he is wrong. Galeniko is all drugs with no genetics. BigRo is all drugs with great genetics. Galeniko looks like a diced turd. BigRo looks like a Pro-level bodybuilder.
Shizzo commenting on the role of steroids in bodybuilding, is like a vomited pile of noodles giving hints to a top pasta chef as he walks past on his way to workTake a look at who runs bodybuilding. Twinks, schmoes, and fat bodies. Men with muscle bow to these 1%.
Take a look at who runs bodybuilding. Twinks, schmoes, and fat bodies. Men with muscle bow to these 1%.
Tell him to stop taking any roids for one year. He will be on that yoga mountain in the woods in no time.
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Jizzo,No weights, no meat, and no roids. BigRo, I respect you. No doubt that you train balls to the wall. Lets not ignore the elephant in the room though. You could not dream of being as big as you have been, without anabolics. It's not a slam, and it is not hating. BigRo, you would be a normal man without steroids.
I agree with you about the power of enhancement (as long as one is getting good quality properly dosed product) however the all drugs comment is absurd buddy. I train like a man possessed, the importance of training intensity cannot be underplayed. That capacity to push the boundaries of pain and strength again and again is what builds a quality physique. Not to mention proper nutrition.
From age 13 through to 20 I was a religious bodybuilder,lifter, competed extensively from 16-20 (16 or more shows) and was mostly natural besides some experience with anavar,t3 and clen for a few shows in my later teens. The main reason I left competition was that I was not willing to juice proper. So in some way or another all that training is in my cells.
In that lotus posture pic I had been out of bodybuilding for years, no weights, no meat. I would have to not only stop gear but go on multiple fasts, veggie diet, no weights at all etc to try and look like that in a year.
"You could not dream of being as big as you have been, without anabolics. It's not a slam, and it is not hating. BigRo, you would be a normal man without steroids."Awesome post. I know you work hard. I can just feel that about you. What seperates you from other, hard working gymrats, is gear. Not only gear, but an awesome genetic response to gear.
Its not an elephant, this is getbig.
I am still a normal man!
You have an awesome, genetic response to gear.
I was going to say thanks but then that would mean that somehow my own will is being credited ;)
I advocate steroid/hgh usage
why, do you even lift? :D
Awesome post. I know you work hard. I can just feel that about you. What seperates you from other, hard working gymrats, is gear. Not only gear, but an awesome genetic response to gear.
The capacity to generate intensity and mind muscle connection is a big part of the equation but it seems you feel the need to downplay this side of things. Gym rats don't have this.No. Take a good look at the yoga pic. You look like a guy that has never trained in his life.
Jizzo,I totally agree BigRo. I have competed quite a bit myself but soon found to reach higher levels you got to "up dosages" which I wasnt willing to do. There is more to life than plastic trophies unless to can make it to the top and if you do you put your health in jeopardy. Genes are first before anything then hard work. I have done meditation as well for a number of years it teaches how to be bored rather than jump on every new twist in life and to release the inner soul into consciousness to find the real you.
I agree with you about the power of enhancement (as long as one is getting good quality properly dosed product) however the all drugs comment is absurd buddy. I train like a man possessed, the importance of training intensity cannot be underplayed. That capacity to push the boundaries of pain and strength again and again is what builds a quality physique. Not to mention proper nutrition.
From age 13 through to 20 I was a religious bodybuilder,lifter, competed extensively from 16-20 (16 or more shows) and was mostly natural besides some experience with anavar,t3 and clen for a few shows in my later teens. The main reason I left competition was that I was not willing to juice proper. So in some way or another all that training is in my cells.
In that lotus posture pic I had been out of bodybuilding for years, no weights, no meat. I would have to not only stop gear but go on multiple fasts, veggie diet, no weights at all etc to try and look like that in a year.
yes, i always say with no shame, muscle mind connection is very important, until one hasnt got that down, the training efficiency will be poor.Energy=intensity. That is how un-natural levels of test and other drugs come in. Face it Galeniko, you would be nothing without needles. You are an addict by nature. You smoke, you drink, and you take steroids. You look like a cut swimmer. Far from impressive.
one has to be-in the best case-able to flex partial muscle fibers of a muscle,then you "got it", from there on, one will laugh about the "heavy trainers"
at first,this is impossible to achieve, must go bit raw,guessing kind of thing,until some muscle is built, but then,its mandatory to learn, or the results will always be limited.
i was oblivious to this myself for very long, haha,took ages to learn how to flex the quads properly.
this is stuff that takes years, just this, and here comes some drunktard who never trained and says its all drugs.oh brother.
next on the list are those who say more drugs will fix everything, the rest follows suit.
more drugs will give good gains only once is way beyond and well past the above described.
and natty or not, if one goes off training, the muscle SEEMS to fade away, it gets smaller for metaboism reasons.
in the yoga shirt, if that came off, thered still be a decent body.
jizzo is vermin,trash,who doesnt know his face from his anushole(understandable,too similiar)and cant appreciate other ppls efforts,bc he never did anything worthwhile in his pathetic life.
this is completely natural galeniko, long enough off gear to count, 6 moths clean.EXACTLY,,,FATLIENKO=FAIL,CLEANLIENKO=VERY GOOD,PRESENT GALI=SHREDDED AND HARD..
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wouldnt call this nothing, many steroid users dont even get to this level.
therefore, go choke on a sausage,jizzo.
I don't have any 6 months 'clean' photos to share but I will post these pics, first is a week in to pre contest cycle after 10 weeks off, 2nd is around 7 weeks later few weeks out from contests.U LOOK GREAT BOTH,second obvious leaner,but that skin pop look to muscle is more apparent 2nd shot as well,if u train and eat and maintain as much as you can ,as u can see u still ahead of the game.still 6 months clean would be interesting,but who cares your a very good bber with good genes.
nah ,im sure what big ro takes for supllements is nothing out of this world.
its takes relentless willpower and time.
BigRo has posted his cycles. It's was pretty moderate if I remember correctly, especially compared to the pros. Around 2g a week total I believe?TO LOOK THE WAY HE DOES ON A MODERATE DOSE LIKE THAT IS EXTREMELY GOOD GENETICS AND YOU CAN TELL HE WORKS HIS ASS OFF AS WELL.
TO LOOK THE WAY HE DOES ON A MODERATE DOSE LIKE THAT IS EXTREMELY GOOD GENETICS AND YOU CAN TELL HE WORKS HIS ASS OFF AS WELL.
Exactly.
I remember 200g tren EOD, some mast and test but can't remember doses.
BigRo, tell us again bro!
and the gh was at what
can't remember doses.
BigRo has posted his cycles. It's was pretty moderate if I remember correctly, especially compared to the pros. Around 2g a week total I believe?
Jizzo,
I agree with you about the power of enhancement (as long as one is getting good quality properly dosed product) however the all drugs comment is absurd buddy. I train like a man possessed, the importance of training intensity cannot be underplayed. That capacity to push the boundaries of pain and strength again and again is what builds a quality physique. Not to mention proper nutrition.
From age 13 through to 20 I was a religious bodybuilder,lifter, competed extensively from 16-20 (16 or more shows) and was mostly natural besides some experience with anavar,t3 and clen for a few shows in my later teens. The main reason I left competition was that I was not willing to juice proper. So in some way or another all that training is in my cells.
In that lotus posture pic I had been out of bodybuilding for years, no weights, no meat. I would have to not only stop gear but go on multiple fasts, veggie diet, no weights at all etc to try and look like that in a year.
mawse, nono, its not something like hrt lol, but its not insanity level either.
the british guys i believe most when they tell dosages,its all legal there, they can openly talk.
you def misunderstood,ofc he diets for shows,lol.
i have talked dieting with him in pms, so yeah.
and it doesnt matter what or how much anyone takes, itll be different for everyone.
the only thing predictable is some first year gains from natty to hrt, aafter that, all bets are off.
indeed some will explode on 500mg, but not get more gains from 1000mg, while others dont see big gains till 1500mg weekly.which makes it a stupid hobby by default.
This.
The day I have to take a gram of shit a week is the day I stop taking anything. Not worth it.
HRT test + low dose anabolics works for me, I have run a LOT more in the past for pretty much no return but a lot of bloat and huge round potato head look.
I wish my body would utilize higher doses, but its maybe a good thing it doesn't.. otherwise I would probably be abusing a ton of shit.
Damn I didn't know you were a fellow low-doser. Never woulda guessed.
I'm the same way. I'm still a rookie with this but the 1g/week mark is mentally a line I can't fathom crossing. I trained natty for so many years and have such an appreciation for what gear does, I could just cruise on a liberal HRT dose and feel like I'm fuckin Ronnie Coleman :D
I'm sure I'll hear some squeaking and squaking from some "experts" but I've Never run over 350 mgs. Of tren a week... ever.
That's it . That's all I take. Lately been bridging with a dry prohormone... and this would constitute the most gear I have ever taken...1000% truth.
I believe you dude. I believe you and I have both been accused incessantly of gear use back before when we were both legitimately drug free. Not everyone needs grams a week to be single digit bodyfat and weigh 220+.
I'm sure I'll hear some squeaking and squaking from some "experts" but I've Never run over 350 mgs. Of tren a week... ever.
That's it . That's all I take. Lately been bridging with a dry prohormone... and this would constitute the most gear I have ever taken...1000% truth.
some of the new pro hormones are hardcore
I'm sure I'll hear some squeaking and squaking from some "experts" but I've Never run over 350 mgs. Of tren a week... ever.
That's it . That's all I take. Lately been bridging with a dry prohormone... and this would constitute the most gear I have ever taken...1000% truth.
epistane and tren?
I'm sure I'll hear some squeaking and squaking from some "experts" but I've Never run over 350 mgs. Of tren a week... ever.
That's it . That's all I take. Lately been bridging with a dry prohormone... and this would constitute the most gear I have ever taken...1000% truth.
Shredded glute pics ???sorry bro, we are all relieved and finally have some maturity around the gossip section, posting a glute shot will only bring back the troll and the board will be once again infected with a miserble cancer of epic proportions.
same, this seems to be the case with many of the above average geneticaly gifted, but not elite genetics, at some point between 500-1000mg weekly, its all sides and bloat anymore.maxed out and thats that.
can add bit gh at that point, but that will be it, thatll be the max.
the "next" natural limit.this is where it stops for many.
i think unless very small frame, if one cant be 10% at 6ft height and 220lbs, better to find new hooby.
its not easy, diet and training must be good, and its not a rewarding look, but that should be the natural base -foundation.
if one cant get that, pointless to go steroids route, fuck all will happen.
many ppl could get there, but theyre copletely oblivious to both training and specialy diet
I disagree, some people that can't get anything done as a natural will BLOW UP on the juice.
I've never known ONE single person who fits the description you just posted about.Kevin Levrone, Phil Heath, Tom Prince, Fux, Wheeler, ::)
Kevin Levrone, Phil Heath, Tom Prince, Fux, Wheeler, ::)
Yeah cuz they had terrible physiques and genetics before they started juicing ::)They had normal physiques. Drugs made them.
Please leave this thread.
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i can tell you about fux.You hate me because I am right.
the guy came from rural area to city and benched 5plates within a year.age 20.
was absolutely massive.
i seen him in person,right face to face when bulked up, lol, i cant find word to describe the sheer size of the guy.
the guy had more muscle on him at age 20 before he knew whats training than most npc amateur competitors ever develop.
indeed, shizzo, fuck off and die already please
They had normal physiques. Drugs made them.
Spoken like a guy who has absolutely no clue what he's talking about. No offense. But you have no clue.I have every clue. I read Flex.
I have every clue. I read Flex.
one can tell shitzo has never lifted, and on top of that, one can tell he wasnt anywhere near the training crowd kinda ppl.What does this have to do with you looking like shit? You are not impressive. You are the type of guy that goes missing in a medium t-shirt.
something like a group of 5 frends, who start training together for fun and all eat the same shit, at home what parents cook, then post workout meal at mcdonalds, then first protein shakes etc, the making of.
then they all jump on first mild cycle and still eat like shit, usualy one of them will look particularly good, the rest soso,1 will look like shit(the shitso kinda guy, natural born estrogen face).
oftne that best looking guy even takes the least amounts.
it is what it is.
I have every clue. I read Flex.:D
What does this have to do with you looking like shit? You are not impressive. You are the type of guy that goes missing in a medium t-shirt.Whoa whoa whoa......gayleanko doesn't look like shit. Ripped as hell and impressive. You are right about the medium shirt though.
I read that the east Germans found the DNA markers for response to anabolics for their Olympic athletes, and it varied up to 4 x , meaning an elite athlete would get 4 x the response from a low dose that a normal man would. I don't know how it scaled with mega doses since they were just testing low doses that wouldn't get them caught.. but it makes sense ppl with great responses blow up on 500mg a week
OTH post the vid!
a couple important points.
- the response to steroids has absolutely nothing to do with your response to GH. I am a great responder to GH, pretty poor responder to anabolics.
- the more testosterone you take, the more muscle sattelite cells you will make. this has been proven in several studies....By using low doses, you are missing out on potential growth for later years. Make no mistake, a guy with good genetics like chiro will never reach an elite level even if he tries because he simply started juicing too late. All the greats you mentioned, already had 5-8 years of serious steroid use under their belt. It's a race against the clock.
. The whole "low dose" crew never made sense to me. You look great on low doses...so ::)? you'd probably be even bigger and leaner and more impressive on more. So really the The joke is on you ;D for shortchanging yourself.
Most of us will only have 5-15 years in this game to see what we can do in the weightroom (be it strength, size, whatever) and put alot of time into it. If I knew what held me back from reaching my goals was the difference between loading the barrel from 1 cc to 3cc I'd feel pretty fucking stupid.
They had normal physiques. Drugs made them.
flint, the waist starts to grow at certains doses.
biggers not always better.one can only go so far until sides and unwanted cosmetic effects happen.
but agree, starting young and running kinda wild doses will do good term if you survive it undamaged and healthy, can later on maintain almost same size on basicaly a fourth of the old doses.no idea why.
but one has to have good diet and almost kill themselves in the gym, no playing around, the high doses alone wont do shit.
I've never known ONE single person who fits the description you just posted about.
Spoken like a guy who has absolutely no clue what he's talking about. No offense. But you have no clue.
neither do i.
thats steroid dealer talk, making hope for the ones who dont put effort in it natty.
"youll respond brutaly on gear".
the good naturals explose on low doses of gear.
well, everyone would, if they ate right, i swear the people are too dumb or lazy to eat right when on gear.
and training, it doesnt help the matter if they dont know how to train.
a couple important points.
- the response to steroids has absolutely nothing to do with your response to GH. I am a great responder to GH, pretty poor responder to anabolics.
- the more testosterone you take, the more muscle sattelite cells you will make. this has been proven in several studies....By using low doses, you are missing out on potential growth for later years. Make no mistake, a guy with good genetics like chiro will never reach an elite level even if he tries because he simply started juicing too late. All the greats you mentioned, already had 5-8 years of serious steroid use under their belt. It's a race against the clock.
. The whole "low dose" crew never made sense to me. You look great on low doses...so ::)? you'd probably be even bigger and leaner and more impressive on more. So really the The joke is on you ;D for shortchanging yourself.
Most of us will only have 5-15 years in this game to see what we can do in the weightroom (be it strength, size, whatever) and put alot of time into it. If I knew what held me back from reaching my goals was the difference between loading the barrel from 1 cc to 3cc I'd feel pretty fucking stupid.
I'll admit it. If I could do it all over again...I would have dropped the hammer and went for thonged glory. When I was in my early 20s I was clubbing it up and getting fucked out of my face 5 nights a week. I lifted and trained hard..but I was in no way shape or form a bodybuilder. If I was gearing up I would have looked like ass from all the alcohol and coke.
groink The reason your arms look the way they do is because you were born with more fibers than the average guy, and were most likely white fiber dominate (higher ratio of fast twich muscle fibers). The average guy would need about 2 grams of testosterone for a decade to create these fibers.
Based on your ability to blow up quick I would be very suprised if You were not a very explosive athlete by nature.....most likely a good vertical leap and a fast sprinter, probably not so great in long distance events. Probably an above average dancer as well, guys with high t levels usually are. I've studied this stuff quite a bit.
Fucking Flint freaking me out.You need to post a video so we can "battle" ;D
Your DEAD on. I can still get up in the air a little being 76 years old...and I was a sick, sick dancer...people would just watch me go off. Not like a homo though...I was badass..LOL ..at least I think I was ;D
You need to post a video so we can "battle" ;DThis is true I have seen sev go from nothing to being in shape in a few weeks it's really all about the mind.
I agree with flint .. I can also blow up quick, I was explosive in sports and loved dancing ..
This is true I have seen sev go from nothing to being in shape in a few weeks it's really all about the mind.SEV kills it in record time, you see him like a regular guy and boooooooooooom in 6 weeks he is jacked and he gets shredded ANYTIME he wants. Pure mentality and will with him.
You need to post a video so we can "battle" ;D
I agree with flint .. I can also blow up quick, I was explosive in sports and loved dancing ..
LOL. ;Dme neither .. lately even a casual game of squash with hacks puts me out of commision for months
This is where I hide behind my age. I can't move like that anymore, and would break out laughing if I tried ;D
me neither .. lately even a casual game of squash with hacks puts me out of commision for months
I really liked dancing
We could diet and lift whatever we fing then compete against each other every october to keep th mr olympia flaming burning
You need to post a video so we can "battle" ;DExplosive bladder?
I agree with flint .. I can also blow up quick, I was explosive in sports and loved dancing ..
Explosive bladder?it is me after coming out from the pool and got dressed while wearing the wet bathingsuit .. old pic..posted it myself .. you are the 15000th idiot who tries the same lame stuff :-\
it is me after coming out from the pool and got dressed while wearing the wet bathingsuit .. old pic..posted it myself .. you are the 15000th idiot who tries the same lame stuff :-\Who you got for the win at the Mr O sev?
make one funny post I beg of you thunderstruckbowlofcream ofrice
I have a feeling that Jeff is done (by his own accord) here on the forum. I could be mistaken, but I think this time he might be serious.