I know its not respected when guys only train certain parts. But really, these are the parts that need to catch up so I was wondering your guys' thoughts on this....
do what you feel
LOL @ dj thinking this might of been about him ;Dhow do you train now? what kind of split are you using. Maybe you just need to change your training approach and shock the weak muscles.when people think of weak muscle groups they fall into the trap of more is better. My approach has always been to analyze my training and change reps,sets,training principles and even the order of training.
Thanks for the replies guys.
I always trained everything from the get go but we all have those parts that just don't respond as well it seems. I think I've given up on this trying to get bigger thing for now and its about time because I'm having a hard time walking through doors due to my massive width ;D.
No but seriously, the parts I mentioned are the ones that need more work and I'm ok with just maintaining everything else.
But one question...
is there a way I can train other muscles without causing hypertrophy...I'd hate to give up back training especially ???
how do you train now? what kind of split are you using. Maybe you just need to change your training approach and shock the weak muscles.when people think of weak muscle groups they fall into the trap of more is better. My approach has always been to analyze my training and change reps,sets,training principles and even the order of training.
But one question...
is there a way I can train other muscles without causing hypertrophy...I'd hate to give up back training especially ???
yes there is, don't increase the training loads on those exercises that you want to maintain and not gain size on
and yes, it is as simple as that ;)
don't believe me? well wait until i send my update pics in 3-4 weeks and you'll see that my lats have remained the same size while my bis and chest will be bigger ;)
If it was me i would take a break from training...no weights for at least 2 weeks. Do some cardio and swim. You sound like you said overtrained and stale. with regards to training train each muscle1x a week after your break then need to in my opinion train the target muscles as efficient as possible. I know no better way than pre exhaust...yes i go on about supersets and pre exhaust all the time.. but you can really target the muscle group as best you can. If just using massive weights was the solution we would all be mr O. The size you have i am sure as a pro but pre exhaust is in my humble opinion helps you focus on the target better, physically and mental. The first thing is take a break NO TRAINING.
;Dwell you know all the exercises. I got my ideas from speaking to Bob Kennedy on the phone and really just thinking about anatomy. I think this is the most important point. A lot of trainers just give advice without really understanding what happens in any exercise.
Are there any good resources you would recommend where I could look into a good preexhaust method/routines donny?
well you know all the exercises. I got my ideas from speaking to Bob Kennedy on the phone and really just thinking about anatomy. I think this is the most important point. A lot of trainers just give advice without really understanding what happens in any exercise.
Also, what are your thoughts on going to failure?
stay well away from failure, and be sure to decrease your training loads :D :D :D
In a caloric surplus I can see some growth happening.
fuck! i wish that was true, but it NEVER happened that way for me EVER :'(
Well its not gonna happen on a diet of muffins and coca cola ;D
Just wanna make sure I got a good idea of what pre exhaust really is. Ok so if I'm training tris for example I would do something like a cable pressdown before a close grip bench correct?well ok your having a bit of fun here because this is all basics..but to answer your questions, the idea of pre exhaust is to get around a weak link such as say triceps in bench press. you would do say DB flyes and then bench press.. the idea is that your chest is better trained taking triceps out the equation in flyes so then the chest is better isolated(wait for the critics here who will say BS) with flyes you would then stimulate the pecs better with bench press. The weight in your bench will drop but because of the flyes you will get stimulation much quicker in the pecs and more direct. your second point of training triceps before chest is not what i mean or is biceps before back what i mean. this is not logical and you would never do this. Remember we are talking about training 1 muscle group. I have pre exhausted my biceps say with preacher curls then close grip chins but this is not training back but biceps.
and maybe tris before chest and bis before back...
Also, what are your thoughts on going to failure?
well man, i replaced the coke with eggs and the muffins with beef soup ;)
although last nite i did eat a bit of pizza and washed it down with a half a liter of coke and woke up wit my waist being down a full 3 cm (which is about 1.25 inches lost over a 10 day period) ;D
well ok your having a bit of fun here because this is all basics..but to answer your questions, the idea of pre exhaust is to get around a weak link such as say triceps in bench press. you would do say DB flyes and then bench press.. the idea is that your chest is better trained taking triceps out the equation in flyes so then the chest is better isolated(wait for the critics here who will say BS) with flyes you would then stimulate the pecs better with bench press. The weight in your bench will drop but because of the flyes you will get stimulation much quicker in the pecs and more direct. your second point of training triceps before chest is not what i mean or is biceps before back what i mean. this is not logical and you would never do this. Remember we are talking about training 1 muscle group. I have pre exhausted my biceps say with preacher curls then close grip chins but this is not training back but biceps.
ok ....got it.my pleasure.. but i am sure you know all this and more... ;D
Thanks for the explanation.
my pleasure.. but i am sure you know all this and more... ;D
I'm not here to waste anyone's time donny especially you. I haven't really put much thought into my training over the years to be honest with ya. Just went to the gym lift some weights...go by how I feel and ate pretty well. I'm like bizarro dj181 where I've put all my emphasis on diet whereas he's only concerned himself with the training aspect.
lol
so we need to combine forces then and create the ultimate bizarro :D
i'll be bizarro trainer and you'll be bizarro "dieter" while 15 can be bizarro druggie, and then we'd be able to cover all 3 bases ;D
I'm not here to waste anyone's time donny especially you. I haven't really put much thought into my training over the years to be honest with ya. Just went to the gym lift some weights...go by how I feel and ate pretty well. I'm like bizarro dj181 where I've put all my emphasis on diet whereas he's only concerned himself with the training aspect.sorry if i sounded disrespectful. I know you Pros work hard to get where you are. I am a guy who trains for my fitness and enjoy training people. I would never reach the ranking you have. I have built muscle and fitness that i am happy with for me.
sorry if i sounded disrespectful. I know you Pros work hard to get where you are. I am a guy who trains for my fitness and enjoy training people. I would never reach the ranking you have. I have built muscle and fitness that i am happy with for me.
why not.I used to hate squats but now i love them. I like the feeling of overall fatigue..i have after a hard set seen white stars before my eyes... now super set squats with stiff deads and you will know pain.
but you know my theory on why one should train legs.i totaly hate it, i fear it actually,haha, but its useful
why not.
but you know my theory on why one should train legs.i totaly hate it, i fear it actually,haha, but its useful
I used to hate squats but now i love them. I like the feeling of overall fatigue..i have after a hard set seen white stars before my eyes... now super set squats with stiff deads and you will know pain.
legs? what are those ???having a solid base is key,,to a bodybuilder,,boxer ,,, anyone. your lower body must be trained for overall power and strength. we are not looking for a weekend upper body here. my kicking in wado ryu and even Ving Tsun went through the roof with squats. lack of flexibility...no way power yes.
train legs bc its the biggest muscles on them, by having some meat on the legs, metabolism rate at rest and sleep and when moving will quite increase,thus, making dieting easier.
as for not training say, shoulders, its ok to skip shoulder workouts at times,i do that too, but eventually they will be the weak link when doing bench press,for example.
no matter how you turn it, have to train everything at times :D
train legs bc its the biggest muscles on them, by having some meat on the legs, metabolism rate at rest and sleep and when moving will quite increase,thus, making dieting easier.
as for not training say, shoulders, its ok to skip shoulder workouts at times,i do that too, but eventually they will be the weak link when doing bench press,for example.
no matter how you turn it, have to train everything at times :D
hey yeah that makes sense...metabolism. Good point.
SpongeBob never worked legs now has bowel control problems.
so do you want in on this pec and arm gaining contest chump? (J/K man :D :D :D)No I'll watch from the sidelines, after judging the Getbig contest I am out of breath. I'll judge this too if accepted to.
No I'll watch from the sidelines, after judging the Getbig contest I am out of breath. I'll judge this too if accepted to.
well man, if boraccho will accept the challenge then you and njflex could be the 2 judges :)sure,, time frame?when?borracho is put together,,,
sure,, time frame?when?borracho is put together,,,
is that really you in the avatar halo?
yes i've been found out
You look like a nice kid...what are you doing slumming it up around here?shit posting on bb boards is the most satisfying activity
shit posting on bb boards is the most satisfying activity
this is trueSo are you going to take on dj181 in a posedown? You are bigger than him looking at both of your pics but criteria seems to be leanness and symmetry not size. He has asked me to be a judge. I judged the GB contest with chaos and Xerces around 200 or so physiques. So you two let me know.
I'm thinking.....doable but I'd be more interested in seeing who could lose the most body fat. I'm really trying to get over this obsession with getting bigger dj I don't care if I end up looking skinny like you lol
just fucking with ya dude ;D
allright man, so we could have a "who is leanest contest then" ;)
i've already dropped 3 cm off my waist and my ab skinfold has gone down 2 mm
i predict that i hit sub-7 by April 15th 8)
and i will be @ sub-7 with bigger arms and chest, just you wait and see ma man ;)
April 15 it is.
8)
sounds good jpm...
Thanks!
training thighs and back is pretty much uselessdisagree not with my legs,,,
you're going down chump
disagree not with my legs,,,
lol maybe
my diet today was a few beers and some pastries.
all day training and pumping blood into the muscle group(s) is not a long term solution. This was used in the old days to gain temporary size usually before a show. the minimal size soon goes when normal training resumes. Itīs a bit like the reverse when people will lose weight fast.. they go in a sauna and sweat lots of fluid out and lose weight, drink fluid and your back to square one.
I've decided to do pre exhaust for chest ...but for calves donny I thought maybe this would be a good shock routine. At least for a little while ???go for it... ;D
go for it... ;D
hey I did the a pre exaust routine for chest and bis last friday ...same day you mentioned it and my pecs were absolutely fried. Gonna stick with that one for now...
hey I did the a pre exaust routine for chest and bis last friday ...same day you mentioned it and my pecs were absolutely fried. Gonna stick with that one for now...yeah sure you did Pro..
btw man, let's keep this bodyfat level contest on the up and up and agree that neither of us will use any "tricks of the trade"
like dehydration, bronzing the skin, lightening tricks, etc.
deal?
yeah sure you did Pro..
I'm way too lazy for that trust me lol
so yes...deal.
I was sore til yesterday lol
And come on donny we're all profesional getbiggers around here! :D
allright man, sounds good ;D
i'm on my 3rd black coffee trying to make it through this lo cal day while cursing the day that you were born >:( >:( >:(
J/K ma man! ;D
Mike Mentzer ate pastries right up until the '79 olympia, and he came in ripped as fuck ;)a calori is a calori
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/137/images/Mike_%20Mentzer28.jpg)
lol
What have you ate so far today?
breakkie was coffee with a bit of milk and sugar and 75 grams of white chesseno wonder you look like shit bro ::)
lunch was bean soup with one medium sized egg
and i'm thinking bout skipping din-din
total cals so far=1489
breakkie was coffee with a bit of milk and sugar and 75 grams of white chesse
lunch was bean soup with one medium sized egg
and i'm thinking bout skipping din-din
total cals so far=1489
no wonder you look like shit bro ::)
don't skip supper....eat some chocolate chip muffins washed down with chocolate milk...ummm sooooo good ;D
Also, after talking to jonnhy falcon it appears olive oil contains fat burning properties...try to drink as much as you can.
ask mr nobody and njflex just how shitty my delts and lats look ;)you are what you eat and you eat shit
lolIF UR 300LBS..LIKE HIM...
according to falcon i can get some great wheels just by standing and walking around all day :D :D :D
who is this sexpert guy.... any guesses lol ?you and falcon use olive oil bro? :-\ no gel?
you and falcon use olive oil bro? :-\ no gel?
me and falcon use olive oil ???:-X
:-X
who is this sexpert guy.... any guesses lol ?
2.5/10
gimmicks used to be so much better at this :-\
if it's one of my haters well then better stand in line ;D
maybe it's groin(groink), poopoo(lulu), or dicksmack(bigmac) ???
btw man, mr nobody said there should be 3 judges in case one picks me and the other picks you, so how about we ask galeniko to be the 3rd judge, do you agree?
Nah...all those people you mentioned have way more balls than that. Yes, that includes lulu :D
Just to see who the leanest is right,....I don't think it would be necessary but if you think so then by all means.
ok man, so what we can do is if it's a tie then we can bring gayleniko in as the tie breaker judgeOk then judging is set.
and yeah, you're right..... we won't need a 3rd judge, coz I WILL SMOKE YO ASS!!!!!!
and yeah, you're right..... we won't need a 3rd judge, coz I WILL SMOKE YO ASS!!!!!!
I have diarrhea.
i just had a quarter pounder with cheese and half a big mac, but i still only had 2500 cals, and that's allright in fact, coz i'll need the extra energy tomorrow when i train curls and push-ups and take my training loads up once again, per usual ;)2500 too much man
2500 too much man
2500 too much man
hey hey...no tips from the judges now ;DGood point, damn I try help people. We gotta keep it straight on you and dj until the posedown both need calves but if neither has calves oh well.
Good point, damn I try help people. We gotta keep it straight on you and dj until the posedown both need calves but if neither has calves oh well.
Good point, damn I try help people. We gotta keep it straight on you and dj until the posedown both need calves but if neither has calves oh well.
fuck calves!Agreed, depends on goals if you want win contests you got to have calves. To fuck hoes they don't care.
chicks dig a fella with.... V-torso, wide shoulders, tight slim and narrow waistline, and round firm bubble ass ;D ;D ;D
Agreed, depends on goals if you want win contests you got to have calves. To fuck hoes they don't care.i'll lend them mine,,,,
i'll lend them mine,,,,Good development, genes rule. I had to work the hell out of mine never reached a level as that but decent.
Good development, genes rule. I had to work the hell out of mine never reached a level as that but decent.i still train the hell out of them...
I have diarrhea.out your mouth bro?
i just had a quarter pounder with cheese and half a big mac, but i still only had 2500 cals, and that's allright in fact, coz i'll need the extra energy tomorrow when i train curls and push-ups and take my training loads up once again, per usual ;)dude get real ???
dude get real ???
i'll judge i want thick pecs,veins,strong look,,,,, ;)
for who?:D...at least i'm an in shape judge ,,,
you? me? or b? ;D ;D ;D
:D...at least i'm an in shape judge ,,,
so are you saying that mr. nobody is an outta shape fat toad :D :D :D LOL!this has nothing to do with 'mr nobody' he could maybe blow me out of the water,,never saw his pic,,,
oh, ok...
i see you modified your original post
so yeah, i guarantee that my pecs will be bigger and thicker than they were in my previous pic
and I WILL have veins running up and down my abs (although, quite honestly... i ain't such a fan of this look, as i had it just a few months ago when i got ripped up from doing Meta Training)
this has nothing to do with 'mr nobody' he could maybe blow me out of the water,,never saw his pic,,,
this has nothing to do with 'mr nobody' he could maybe blow me out of the water,,never saw his pic,,,Page 42 V Board Soapy Studs
Page 42 V Board Soapy Studs
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=193061.1075
it was a joke dude :)A race to to finish line it seems Barracho is about the same on BF %.
mr. nobody is always in shape although he seems rather shy to post up many pics, as i think he's only posted up one pic ever
so where you at B?!
i'm damn near 8% RIGHT NOW 8)
A race to to finish line it seems Barracho is about the same on BF %.NICE BUILD ,,,MR,,,,
NICE BUILD ,,,MR,,,,Thanks nj. We got to judge dj and Barracho if you are up to it deadline April 15 damn thats the tax deadline too a busy day.
dj181=disillusioned twink ::)
Thanks nj. We got to judge dj and Barracho if you are up to it deadline April 15 damn thats the tax deadline too a busy day.YEAH PICS POSTED HERE ...RELAXED,POSED OR COMBO ...
YEAH PICS POSTED HERE ...RELAXED,POSED OR COMBO ...
nope not posted hereOK,,,,
i'll send my pics to you, mr. n, and B just like last time
i made a commitment to myself not to post public pics here anymore, coz i don't need to "prove" myself to anyone ;)
YEAH PICS POSTED HERE ...RELAXED,POSED OR COMBO ...I think the 7 manatory poses as in pre-judging, thats were you win or lose the night show is just for the crowd..
I think the 7 manatory poses as in pre-judging, thats were you win or lose the night show is just for the crowd..
Front Double Biceps
Rear Double Biceps
Front Lat Spread
Rear Lat Spread
Side Triceps
Side Chest
Front Abdominal & Thigh
you're nuts man!
i am gonna wear my fucking jeans for these shots and in fact NO SHOTS will show anything below the waist
this ain't no damn bodybuilding contest dude, this is a "who is the leanest" contest
hmmm arguing with the judges...should be some points taken off for that no ? :P
lol
where's yo bodyfat at right now dude?
i'm damn near 8% i'd say
I'm like 15% bro you can relax...take it easy..... have a whole pizza. ;D
you're nuts man!Legs are a part of official bodybuilding criteria can you imagine Zane having no legs? So why not reveal them in the contest?
i am gonna wear my fucking jeans for these shots and in fact NO SHOTS will show anything below the waist
this ain't no damn bodybuilding contest dude, this is a "who is the leanest" contest
Legs are a part of official bodybuilding criteria can you imagine Zane having no legs? So why not reveal them in the contest?
coz i'll feel like a real f@ggot wearing shorts to show off my legs in front of the fella who will be taking my pics for this contest :-X :-X :-X
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ITS NOT DAISY DUKES FOR GOD'S SAKE :-*...I'LL SUBMIT MY LEGS IN THEN...
coz i'll feel like a real f@ggot wearing shorts to show off my legs in front of the fella who will be taking my pics for this contest :-X :-X :-X
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ITS NOT DAISY DUKES FOR GOD'S SAKE :-*...I'LL SUBMIT MY LEGS IN THEN...
lol
coz i'll feel like a real f@ggot wearing shorts to show off my legs in front of the fella who will be taking my pics for this contest :-X :-X :-XI think you are afraid that Borracho's legs will be the factor in scoring the contest.
also, one can very easily asses bodyfat levels from torso shots, so legs pics aren't needed for bodyfat level assessment purposes
nope not posted hereall just fun bro :D
i'll send my pics to you, mr. n, and B just like last time
i made a commitment to myself not to post public pics here anymore, coz i don't need to "prove" myself to anyone ;)
ahahah you know you made it when mr.nobody does the trash talking for ya. :D
it;s thee eye of the tiger it's the thrill of the fight,,rising up to the challenge of our rivals and the last sole survivor ,,,,,
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so what's the point of this clip dude?It's very important you got to know when to go home.
don't be a pussy, spit it out
It's very important you got to know when to go home.
that's a very vague statement dudeJUDGED ON LEANESS OK,,,,I LIKE HAVING BIG LEGS...
and to kinda clear up the point of this contest for the judges it's not who has the best legs or the best arms or the best whatever
the point of this contest is only... who is leaner, me or B?
in fact, all we really need to do is post ab shots coz that shows our level of leanness, but i'm gonna send both you dudes a front relaxed and back double bi, just so you fellas can tell me if i actually improved my arms and chest coz that's my goal now, besides getting ripped
and as far as an updte goes my waist is down 5 cm (2 inches) and my ab skinfold is down 4 mm
i need to lose another 5-6 cm off of my waist and another 4-5 mm off of my ab skinfold then at that point i'll be sitting @ 6%
JUDGED ON LEANESS OK,,,,I LIKE HAVING BIG LEGS...
and i like having a V-torso with a very tight, tiny and narrow wasitline ;)i know u have mentioned this 1,000 x :D...i have'lean abs' too maybe not a minuscule waist as yours but i'm happy with being i'm avg to short height 5'7 to 5'8 with legs,chest and carry it on decent conditoned weight 185/190
i know u have mentioned this 1,000 x :D...i have'lean abs' too maybe not a minuscule waist as yours but i'm happy with being i'm avg to short height 5'7 to 5'8 with legs,chest and carry it on decent conditoned weight 185/190
yeah, you got a good physique no doubtTHATS A KICK ASS PHYSIQUE NO DOUBT,,I HAVE NO ILL WILL ON THIS CONTEST I LIKE CAMACHO BORRACHO AND U AS WELL WILL BE FAIR JUST LIKE UR EVALUATION PICS,,,
and hopefully come mid-April when you get my pics you'll clearly see that i've added size and thickness to my arms and pecs
here is MY FINAL GOAL
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THATS A KICK ASS PHYSIQUE NO DOUBT,,I HAVE NO ILL WILL ON THIS CONTEST I LIKE CAMACHO BORRACHO AND U AS WELL WILL BE FAIR JUST LIKE UR EVALUATION PICS,,,
that's a very vague statement dudeOK whatever you two agree on for criteria. Sounds like you are getting leaner.
and to kinda clear up the point of this contest for the judges it's not who has the best legs or the best arms or the best whatever
the point of this contest is only... who is leaner, me or B?
in fact, all we really need to do is post ab shots coz that shows our level of leanness, but i'm gonna send both you dudes a front relaxed and back double bi, just so you fellas can tell me if i actually improved my arms and chest coz that's my goal now, besides getting ripped
and as far as an updte goes my waist is down 5 cm (2 inches) and my ab skinfold is down 4 mm
i need to lose another 5-6 cm off of my waist and another 4-5 mm off of my ab skinfold then at that point i'll be sitting @ 6%
OK whatever you two agree on for criteria. Sounds like you are getting leaner.
can you believe I've actually gotten fatter
;D ;D ;D
i may naive dude, but i ain't that naive ;)
haha ok you got me...really do feel like pigging out right now though.
today i'll eat bout 2000 cals coz it's chest and bi day, and that's the parts i'm trying to bring the fuck up
now my normal intake will be about 1500 cals per day right up til SHOWTIME 8)
where you at?!
I'm at home...
;D
this just in...8)... :-*...
ma man B and I have decided to move the contest deadline up one week, so i'll have my pics taken a week from this tuesday and froward them to the 3 of you fellas on wednesday the 10th
8)... :-*...
be prepared to be impressed 8)I always got my shotgun by my side.
well at least i sure as hell hope so :)
but i don't want no fucking hand outs so shoot it to me straight come showtime
I always got my shotgun by my side.
so does this mean that you gonna blow my brains out if i don't make the cut :D :D :DYes. ;D
Yes. ;D
You wouldn't be not the only one who's thought about shooting dj181...
You've been busted eleven times dj...holy shit you really are stubborn lol ;D
fuck! i'm really pissed off about this goddamn "diet" >:( >:( >:(
i can actually suffer though the hunger, but something else is pissing me off, but i don't know what exactly ??? ??? ???
maybe i'm semi-hallucinating or some such shit lol
YES!!!This is true, when down to the last stages of a diet and water reduction I have to stay away from people or a punch may occur.
THATS WHAT I LIKE TO HEAR!!!!
YOU SUFFERING HAHAHAHAHA!!
EVEN IF I LOSE THIS MOMENT RIGHT NOW MAKES IT ALL WORTH IT!!!
hahaa just fucking with ya dude...I know dieting can really suck. Makes me irritable at times...I've told you this before.
This is true, when down to the last stages of a diet and water reduction I have to stay away from people or a punch may occur.
Like a grumpy/crying baby when he wants to eat or sleep. That's what I'm like even when not dieting actually... ;D
fuck! i'm really pissed off about this goddamn "diet" >:( >:( >:(Get some simple carbs blood sugar levels could be pissing you off like a reese cup or something low cals.
i can actually suffer though the hunger, but something else is pissing me off, but i don't know what exactly ??? ??? ???
maybe i'm semi-hallucinating or some such shit lol
and my girl is coming over to me on tuesday and she is gonna make me a rice, chicken and veggie dinner and i don't wanna be a fucking prick for her but it's gonna be tough coz on tuesday i'll only eat breakkie so that i can kinda "enjoy" our din-din or at least i hope so :-\ :-\ :-\
i've warned her that i'm quite a handful and even my own mother says to me "how do you get those girls to stay involved with you? if i was with a man who said the things that you say to them then i'd leave you're ass and never come back" LOL!
;D
lol
bro if you want we can keep it closer to the original date ....lol
sorry but that was kinda funny to me...what I highlighted...I don't even know why ;D
mr nobody can i win the 'mr hamstring 'contest on this thread at least,,,You got them covered on this thread although Borracho has some big thighs as I haven't seen his hamstrings. Just honest though your frontal thighs overpower the hams. Maybe some stiff legged deads are in order.
^ nice ass :-*lol,,,,classic b,,,,as al pacino greeeaaatttt asssss!!!same surgeon as kim kardashian..
what about calves :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :DLet's change this to just calf showdown. A tight race to the finish. :D
You got them covered on this thread although Borracho has some big thighs as you haven't seen his hamstrings. Just honest though your frontal thighs overpower the hams. Mybe some stiff legged deads in order.do them every week,,,noticed when i go lighter better pump/form,,i sometimes have to ease up 275 is heaviest set i feel 225 best,,
Let's change this to just calf showdown. A tight race to the finish. :Dhahaha,,,,dj181 is a man with a plan 'leanest''build...he hates legs...
do them every week,,,noticed when i go lighter better pump/form,,i sometimes have to ease up 275 is heaviest set i feel 225 best,,Do you do them standing on a bench or platform ? The stretch very important. But as said your frontal overshadows the hams but all the way some big legs.
Let's change this to just calf showdown. A tight race to the finish. :D
hahaha,,,,dj181 is a man with a plan 'leanest''build...he hates legs...
Do you do them standing on a bench or platform ? The stretch very important. But as said your frontal overshadows the hams but all the way some big legs.ur right i should go back to platform version.been doing regular standing for a long time,,,i do seated and lying leg curls and i do good balance of hi rep and low rep ,,i like 10/12 tho and with most leg movements i use stack on them,,i have very strong legs squatter,leg pres,lunges ,i'm no platz disciple tho i still have good balance upper to lower ..but good legs is never a bad thing,,,
Oh god if djs calves are worst than mine ....I HAVE to see them!! ;DHe won't show them but has said they are tremendous. :D
He won't show them but has said they are tremendous. :D
He won't show them but has said they are tremendous. :D;D...
ur right i should go back to platform version.been doing regular standing for a long time,,,i do seated and lying leg curls and i do good balance of hi rep and low rep ,,i like 10/12 tho and with most leg movements i use stack on them,,i have very strong legs squatter,leg pres,lunges ,i'm no platz disciple tho i still have good balance upper to lower ..but good legs is never a bad thing,,,What is your height? Strong leg guys tend to be shorter. I had to struggle being 6'2". But I have flexibility which keeps me straight in the squats meaning not bring lower back in.
What is your height? Strong leg guys tend to be shorter. I had to struggle being 6'2". But I have flexibility which keeps me straight in the squats meaning not bring lower back in.5'8 on a good day with heels on,,,
same surgeon as kardashian lol:D :D
just seeing that one now ;D
5'8 on a good day with heels on,,,
that explains the perky ass;D... :-*.... :-X,,,, :o...
So what happened to dj ? ....is he loading up his backpack with 100 kilos to do some push ups?rocky 4,,, he's splitting wood outside in the snow and then he's going to pull a sled like snow dogs filled with cinderblocks,,he has a picture of u and drago on his fridge...
rocky 4,,, he's splitting wood outside in the snow and then he's going to pull a sled like snow dogs filled with cinderblocks,,he has a picture of u and drago on his fridge...
rocky 4,,, he's splitting wood outside in the snow and then he's going to pull a sled like snow dogs filled with cinderblocks,,he has a picture of u and drago on his fridge...Following the Falcon principles I see, it works for Falcon. A great physique at once.
hahahahau too happy easter,,
Good times...
Anyways, I'm off to see a lady friend...
Translation: I'm calling a hooker.
Enjoy your Saturday night boys....
Happy Easter!!
Oh god if djs calves are worst than mine ....I HAVE to see them!! ;D
that explains the perky ass
rocky 4,,, he's splitting wood outside in the snow and then he's going to pull a sled like snow dogs filled with cinderblocks,,he has a picture of u and drago on his fridge...
:-* :-* :-*dj needs to photoshop those calves off in that pic. ;D
dj needs to photoshop those calves off in that pic. ;D
Christ man! my girl and even my own mother give me shit about my calves :'( :'( :'(Brutal clarity.
FUCKING BRUTAL@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!
and it's funny coz each training session i look at my bells and think... "mmm... maybe i should do some calf raises?" but then i tell myself.... "fuck dude! it's such a dull fucking exercise! forget about it and fuck your mom, your girl, and your getbig buds! ;D ;D ;D"
good thread :)...weird thread :o...and all in between :P...
Christ man! my girl and even my own mother give me shit about my calves :'( :'( :'(bahahaha yes
FUCKING BRUTAL@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!
and it's funny coz each training session i look at my bells and think... "mmm... maybe i should do some calf raises?" but then i tell myself.... "fuck dude! it's such a dull fucking exercise! forget about it and fuck your mom, your girl, and your getbig buds! ;D ;D ;D"
wot you think of ma calves brother? ;Du have genetically narrow waist ,,long legs,,top to bottom at least there ,they are even all the way down ...train them,,calves look good in long shorts even somewhat built.
:-* :-* :-*
As njflex said at least your legs are "even" ;D
Mine look worse cause my quads are unproportionately larger. >:(
who gives a shit about that man
the chicks dig upper bod ;D
btw, really big legs look goofy as fuck :-X :-X :-X
sleek and cat-like FTMFW
Nice to have an X frame and be able to wear shorts without people asking you if you train legs lol.
Not that I care what people think but when you bust your ass training its kind of a kick in the nuts.
how many cals you at son?
i'm down to 1650 :-X
If I say 500 would you drop yours to 499 ? ;D
yeah, coz.....Are you saying you are going the distance?
Are you saying you are going the distance?
i got a calf question for you dudesA full stretch is important even holding the bottom stretch for a couple of seconds.
is it really so important to get an extreme and full range of motion on calf raises?
i do one leg calf raises with a heavy bell in one hand when i do them, but i only do them from the floor up, so they are basically from mid-range til top extended position
i know you're supposed to get the bottom stretch on them but it's a real pain in the ass setting up for this by standing on a thick book, not to mention that the thick book that i use isn't so strongly stable lol so i just do them from the floor up to top position
A full stretch is important even holding the bottom stretch for a couple of seconds.
probably so, but are you saying that i'll get ZERO benefit from doing only half reps?Yes, If you had good genes for them most anything works, if not to increase very much you need the full range.
maybe i won't get full benefit from half reps, but i'll still get something out of them
Yes, If you had good genes for them most anything works, if not to increase very much you need the full range.
do you buy what Mentzer said about some of his clients stopping calf work and then ending up with bigger calves?dumbest claim ever
dumbest claim ever
for the love of god
did you ever try Mentzer's methods?no but i know people that did
no but i know people that did
they regressed horribly
did they do the consolidation routine?i dont know the details
it was training just once a week with a workout A and workout B
A was squat/dip
B was chin/dead
IMO he took frequency down WAY TOO LOW, but low volume works quite well for me actually
i basically train 5 days per week but i only do one set til failure on 2 exercises per workout (generally)
do you buy what Mentzer said about some of his clients stopping calf work and then ending up with bigger calves?Not if they don't have genes for them.
Not if they don't have genes for them.
genes don't mean shit if you don't train your ass offGenes don't shit ok, LOL. I know a guy with 19inch calves never done a calf raise in his life. However anyone can become a fat ass by just eating too many calories.
some say i'm genetically blessed to be lean, but i call bullshit on that coz i've been a fatass multiple times and i only got ripped and stayed ripped when i trained my fucking ass off and watched my cal intake
same with the superdrol, i was taking more before and now i'm taking less and i'm getting better results
why? because i'm training harder and pushing myself better and getting a bit more rest than i was when i was taking more
Genes don't shit ok, LOL. I know a guy with 19inch calves never done a calf raise in his life. However anyone can become a fat ass by just eating too many calories.
genes do matter, but you give them too much powerI know this. I had to work the shit out of mine brought them up, however there limits would I ever have the calves of Casey Viator = no.
you gotta learn to harness a fierce drive within you brother
basically when it gets hard and you feel like quitting, then you gotta bite the bullet and push even harder ;)
p.s. i'm kinda talking to myself here, so don't take it so serious ma man ;D
I know this. I had to work the shit out of mine brought them up, however there limits would I ever have the calves of Casey Viator = no.
2 weeks to go chumpoWhat's the criteria for the contest just abs or what?
remember... "bodybuilding" is all and illusion and of course this helps when one has tiny, tiny joint like mine ;)
What's the criteria for the contest just abs or what?
^
Maybe we should just do who has a better build. Lets see what those tiny joints translate to in real life. :D
shit dude! i don't know ???I say overall body, lets say you two are in a bodybuilding contest they just dont look at abs. Yea abs are a indication of leaness, but your symmetry and size compared to structure. Calves included. So will you both wear like knee length shorts to the knee so calves are out the question?
i guess that i let my narcissism get the best of me there ;)
this contest is supposed to be only about who is the leanest and nothing more...
see above post ;)
but... i can challenge you to who has the best bod once i finish scuplting mine out, which should take place sometime in the fall
as of now i wanna get ripped and stay ripped while adding size where need be (except for calves :D :D :D)
I say overall body, lets say you two are in a bodybuilding contest they just dont look at abs. Yea abs are a indication of leaness, but your symmetry and size compared to structure. Calves included. So will you both wear like knee length shorts to the knee so calves are out the question?
well shit man!B dont have calves either so a standoff. Ok again what's the criteria?
as far as that goes i'm only about 70% of my potential, so B will smoke my ass at the present moment
but if he wants a full blown comp then i'd be up and ready for it in september/october
p.s. i got decent quads actually, they are right behind my lats and delts ;)
B dont have calves either so a standoff. Ok again what's the criteria?
again... who is leanest (1st and foremost)Sounds like jeans are in order for this one then. ;D
and i guess we can throw in who has the best upper bod as i will send a front relaxed and a back double bi, same as last time
and we could also do best abs, best arms, best delts, best chest and best back i suppose (if ma man B agrees)
but i don't wanna take a shitload of pics this time
if we do a full on bb comp in sept/oct then i'll go full bore with the pics
again... who is leanest (1st and foremost)
and i guess we can throw in who has the best upper bod as i will send a front relaxed and a back double bi, same as last time
and we could also do best abs, best arms, best delts, best chest and best back i suppose (if ma man B agrees)
but i don't wanna take a shitload of pics this time
if we do a full on bb comp in sept/oct then i'll go full bore with the pics
I was only fucking with ya but this "best" stuff sounds interesting :D
allright then, so we can make it who is leanest and who has the best STRUCTURE ;) ;D 8)
j/k kidding about the "best STRUCTURE" (well kinda ;))
but let's just stick with leanest for now
It will be up to both njflex and mr.nobody to decide the "best" criteria but I put my trust in those two...they know bodybuilding.
agreed
i guess we should count ourselves lucky that we got 2 such stand-up and knowledgeable dudes as our judges
Actually they both suck ...I was just kissing ass. :P
;D ;D ;D
yeah, those f@gs seem fucking obsessed with our "legs and calves" WTF ??? ??? ???
i'm just surprised they ain't made no mention bout judging our asses, yet...............
I'm kinda hoping they do :DI understand as being a judge in this it will be calves only. ;D
I understand as being a judge in this it will be calves only. ;D
My friends say..."hey at least they're lean" :DI can tell you are getting leaner there and calves coming up a bit since last I saw.
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/C-LOS_24/IMG_1779_zps363fd441.jpg)
just to make me feel better.
I can tell you are getting leaner there and calves coming up a bit since last I saw.
Just a little sneak peak for dj181....
Taken before the gym today....no pump.
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/C-LOS_24/IMG_1773_zpsaddd4082.jpg)
NICE BORRACHO,,,DJ ARE U SAYING B IS TAKING PIC IN A CAVE AND THEN LIGHTING THEM A BIT ...NICE LEGS B,,,
i'd say that he's just being a bit coy, as he most likey doesn't want to give you fellas such a good look at his ass just yet...
Those ass shots are reserved for you my love.
;D
WTF?? ???
Hunger is starting to set in for me...this is a good sign. Oh and I had to take the flash off the camera cause of the reflection in the mirror.... didn't realize they were that dark till now. Abs are there dj and my waist is not 35" thank god. But I'm not where I should be conditioning wise...not yet. Going for galeniko like leaness once and for all...I'm not concerned with more size. It's not easy...I got a lot of respect for him.
that's called STRUCTURE dipshitdude you are a tool
i bet your a wide-hipped pear-bodied fataas TOAD BOY hahahahahsahahahahhahaha h!!!!!!!!!!!!
dude you are a tool
:D
Just a little sneak peak for dj181....Looks like you and dj need to wear some high top boots to the knees for this event. ;D
Taken before the gym today....no pump.
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/C-LOS_24/IMG_1773_zpsaddd4082.jpg)
Looks like you and dj need to wear some high top boots to the knees for this event. ;D
:-\
don't worry ma man, it's just these f@ggot judges wanting to see our "legs" for jerk-off purposes :-X :-X :-X
bunch of fucking g@ylords these judges appear to be :-X :-X :-X
You'd be surprised how many women are into good leg development. I think mr. nobody probably has the best calves out of all of us if they're proportionate with his bis. Gonna look for his pic.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=193061.0;attach=388639;image)
Not too shabby.
The bi's look amazing.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=193061.0;attach=388639;image)Thank you sir. I didn't have calves at all but worked the hell out of them in order to get on stage, because I knew if I got on stage with no calves = no win.
Not too shabby.
The bi's look amazing.
these are calves attached to good 'strings'...Some good calves for being a bit high attachments.
Some good calves for being a bit high attachments.thanks,,thats why i say u work with what u have,,genetically i had something but i added size by training them 3x wk when i was kid,,i do them 2x per wk different things/re[s/weight,,theres is hope for dj....
thanks,,thats why i say u work with what u have,,genetically i had something but i added size by training them 3x wk when i was kid,,i do them 2x per wk different things/re[s/weight,,theres is hope for dj....Spot on, you got what you got but dj won't work his says he don't care. Barracho challenged him to a calf contest he declined.
Spot on, you got what you got but dj won't work his says he don't care. Barracho challenged him to a calf contest he declined.lol...there doing the right thing ..taking it for real i like it,,,the g/o board this would have been bullshit ,,talk all talk no backing up ...if i post pics there from yesterday or day befor or month ago dosen't matter i'm always in top or close to top shape for me,,,
regarding calves...
who are the manliest men? black men that's who, and guess who has the shittest calves :D :D :D
does that tell ya something ;)
???
(http://dam.cloud.kargo.com/access/show/id/MobileWAP.Usmag:MagicJohnsonsSonEj_1364939433/ds/resize/width/265/file.jpg)
DJ UR NOT BLACK :P,,,,,
So what's the judging criteria for this event again, just leaness ?
regarding calves...chris dickerson had the greatest calves ever developed by a black man. ;)
who are the manliest men? black men that's who, and guess who has the shittest calves :D :D :D
does that tell ya something ;)
chris dickerson had the greatest calves ever developed by a black man. ;)Agreed.
yep, only leannessBarracho is being quiet on his condition he may "sneak up" on you if you don't stay on track.
Barracho is being quiet on his condition he may "sneak up" on you if you don't stay on track.
I WILL be sitting @ SSSSSUUUUUUBBBBBB-6 come april 17th MARK MY WORDS ;)What about a left side intercostal/serratus side tricep pose for criteria?
What about a left side intercostal/serratus side tricep pose for criteria?
Barracho is being quiet on his condition he may "sneak up" on you if you don't stay on track.
i can do an ab close-up i guess, since i've been blessed with a very tight narrow and slim waistline 8)Are you saying that you can beat Barracho in that pose?
p.s. this tight slim and narrow waistline IS the FOCAL POINT for aesthetic beauty ;)
i can do an ab close-up i guess, since i've been blessed with a very tight narrow and slim waistline 8)
p.s. this tight slim and narrow waistline IS the FOCAL POINT for aesthetic beauty ;)
There will be striations...I'll take a lot of shots for you guys to look at and pick apart. This thing is based on leaness but I'd be interested in both you and njflex's opinions on which one of us has better proportion and symmetry. Or just a comparison by whatever you two deem necessary/relevant.
Are you saying that you can beat Barracho in that pose?
Of course but you need muscle to make it beautiful ;)
i agree with this, but remember.... i'm still a work in progress and i won't be finished with everything till fall
as it now stands i'm working on bringing up my arms and chest to match my delts and back
and again.... FUCK CALVES >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
the only one here who can match my waistline is che
agreed, but i don't want to be any bigger than this
I'm not much bigger than that guy...but more balanced for sure.
Well... look at the thread title lolYea the thread title says something about calves I think.
MAYBE your waist measures smaller than mine but remember? ....all an illusion ;)
I'm not much bigger than that guy...but more balanced for sure.
i'm curious, what do you think that fellas strengths and weakenesses are?
and please don't say calves :D :D :D
CHRIST!!!!! you dudes and even my girl are gonna give me nightmares about fucking calves, so STFU about them >:( >:( >:(
Saw another video of the guy doing delts...no back at all. When I wear a wife beater my back sticks out like a mofo.Low lats good genes ala Franco Columbo. Barracho.
old crappy pic...not even centered but you get the point.
Yea the thread title says something about calves I think.
Low lats good genes ala Franco Columbo. Barracho.
So...we know I'm bigger than dj.Yes you are bigger dj knows that. So 1st leanest and if a tie we go to overall symmetry. We need another judge me and Nflix isnt enough need three in case of a draw.
When you guys get the pics....number 1 will be to determine who is the leanest. And then you guys can do a comparison of what you see bodybuilding wise...you two have competed so you know what to look at. If dj wants to send just upper body that's cool but I'll send as many pics to you guys just to get some feedback..
cool?
Yes you are bigger dj knows that. So 1st leanest and if a tie we go to overall symmetry. We need another judge me and Nflix isnt enough need three in case of a draw.
Do a comparison of who is more symmetrical for the fun of it. Give you guys something more interesting to do. And yeah maybe a third judge would be good....I'll try looking for another judge. I suspect dj won't go for it but hey whatever you two decide.
I'll try looking for another judge. I suspect dj won't go for it but hey whatever you two decide.
i got plenty of haters here ma man, so choose carefully ;)So will you do a symmetrical shot as Borracho suggests? No points deducted just as a overall opinion.
maybe ma man che would be up for it, or even gayleniko ;D
So will you do a symmetrical shot as Borracho suggests? No points deducted just as a overall opinion.
i'm not sure exactly what pics i'll send yet, but i'll def do a back double bi and a front relaxedSo criteria now is just leaness but from what pose? See we got to set the pose or it's difficult to tell from a different pose selection.
i'll probably also do a close-up flexed bi coz i told you that my bis are much better than you think they are so i'll prove it to you 8) can you say split peak ;)
also i'll most likely do a close-up wheel shot
i don't wanna take a shitload of pics, so i ain't no finished product just yet
as i said before, i can do a bodybuilding comp with B in sept/oct if he agrees coz after i get lean i'll stay lean while adding LEAN MUSCLE TISSUE where needed ;)
So criteria now is just leaness but from what pose? See we got to set the pose or it's difficult to tell from a different pose selection.
full frontal nudes ? :DI say front relaxed, side left, back relaxed, side right, ab pose thigh extended.
You know.... whatever mr.nobody thinks is necessary...he did the mr.getbig before....
I say front relaxed, side left, back relaxed, side right, ab pose thigh extended.
ok i agree to all sans ab/thigh (coz i still ain't sure if i'll even send a leg shot yet)Ok.
dj seems very tired lately can he withstand the onslaught of Barracho?
who?!Barracho is staying quiet he's gonna reveal a lean mean muscle machine it seems but we'll see the countdown is on.
i'm just being coy ma man
coz come game day ima gonna BRING IT 8)
Barracho is staying quiet he's gonna reveal a lean mean muscle machine it seems but we'll see the countdown is on.
Oh its on....this is gonna be the battle of the century. The world will never be the same!!!
you know B, i was thinking.....ok...
after we do this leanest contest, instead of doing a "bodybuilding contest" we should do a "which physique can pull more hot ass contest" 8) 8) 8)
and of course the judges for this contest shouldn't be mr. n and nj, since they are just a couple of g@ylords, we would actually need hot ass females to properly judge this contest, since we want to know which of our bodies makes thier tight hot pussies wetter :P ;) ;D 8)
i'm taking female judges like dis...
(http://spotted.heraldtribune.com/images/100047/photos/2011/06/24/zoom/2379913.jpg)
ok...
It's getting harder to tolerate dj181 on these low calories.
you know B, i was thinking.....Ask Booty she might judge.
after we do this leanest contest, instead of doing a "bodybuilding contest" we should do a "which physique can pull more hot ass contest" 8) 8) 8)
and of course the judges for this contest shouldn't be mr. n and nj, since they are just a couple of g@ylords, we would actually need hot ass females to properly judge this contest, since we want to know which of our bodies makes thier tight hot pussies wetter :P ;) ;D 8)
i'm taking female judges like dis...
Ask Booty she might judge.
booty isn't hot enoughShe will charge you Alimony.
maybe my x-wifey would be up for it ;D ;D ;D
She will charge you Alimony.
lolWhat's a fall challenge?
so are you interested in this fall challenge stud ;)
p.s. be prepared to be shocked by my progress 8)
What's fall challenge?pussy pulling build,,,who's best,,female judge lol...
pussy pulling build,,,who's best,,female judge lol...I see. I might engage let me talk with Obama first before I commit.
I see. I might engage let me talk with Obama first before I commit.
translation=i know dj would win it, so i'll try and avoid a direct answer ;)So how low on cals are willing to to go to keep Barracho from defeating you? 12 days left.
So how low on cals are willing to to go to keep Barracho from defeating you? 12 days left.
B be going down!Barracho staying "under wraps at the moment" he may come out with the guns blazing.
adios amigo :-*
Barracho staying "under wraps at the moment" he may come out with the guns blazing.
B is mighty silent nowadaysHe has been working on negotiations with North Korea.
me thinks that he's hit the panic button lol
He has been working on negotiations with North Korea.
He has been working on negotiations with North Korea.
so are ya saying that B's the strong silent type, mr. n?Maybe so he probably has a long black coat on right now eating 1500 cals mad as hell due to starvation. I have had people tell me a tall big dude quiet walking slow is scary so watch out. Actually I had that said to me before true.
I'm trying to get Willgrant as another judge waiting on his reply we need 3. See if it's just me and NJ comes to a tie we'll need another opinion. dj says he is ripped and Barracho is under wraps we don't know what we are facing.8).....i've been enjoying logging on lately ,,betwwen here/mature thread i'm there all the time/workout chaos thread in y board/some g/o stuff/my threads i update pics as bad as musclecenter now lol,,,
8).....i've been enjoying logging on lately ,,betwwen here/mature thread i'm there all the time/workout chaos thread in y board/some g/o stuff/my threads i update pics as bad as musclecenter now lol,,,you are a good man ..always positive,
you are a good man ..always positive,:D,,,someone has to keep sanity here,,nobody runs this thread tho,,,,
8).....i've been enjoying logging on lately ,,betwwen here/mature thread i'm there all the time/workout chaos thread in y board/some g/o stuff/my threads i update pics as bad as musclecenter now lol,,,Y board is cool I post my workouts there sometimes, yea chaos a good dude will bust your chops now and then but hey the way it is around here, you got your pics on soapy studs on the Y board? Thats the reference point on the Y.
Y board is cool I post my workouts there sometimes, yea chaos a good dude will bust your chops now and then but hey the way it is around here, you got your pics on soapy studs on the Y board? Thats the reference point on the Y.yeah a few and our boy nzzmuscle approved me lol,,,
i update pics as bad as musclecenter now lol,,,
yeah a few and our boy nzzmuscle approved me lol,,,You are lucky nzz doesnt approve many people.
FACT ;D:)...all in good fun,,,
You are lucky nzz doesnt approve many people.he can crush the ego,,,
FACT ;DWhere are they? me and Njflex are waiting.
Where are they? me and Njflex are waiting.
Njflex has huge veins running through his biceps are you at that point yet?
i'm all about beauty manHow will you withstand the onslaught of Barracho if not in top condition?
STRUCTURE-AESTHETICS-PROPORTION(sans calves ;D) FTMFW
and like i told you by pm, if i stay on the correct course which i'm following now, then i'll be there sometime in sept/oct
i told you dudes that i got lost for awhile ie, boozing and this caused me to "forget" things, like the importance of "diet" also i was still training too much ie. too oftenthats cool,,,i'm a stickler for pecs one of my best bodyparts,,,my wrist is all of a shade under 7 i have small joints too and a 17 inch arm,,,i do not have 29 waist but clean/seperated abs ,,i have 9 ankle and 16 calf and quads 25 all on a 5'8 in shoes chassis,,,
now i'm on the right course FINALLY and that is why i figure i'll max myself out in sept/oct
IMO, my ideal "beauty" is 165-175 @ 6-7% with legit 16 inch arms and a legit 29 inch waist (p.s. my wrist measures all of 6 inches ;))
in fact, i'll look into doing bodyart photos once i am sculpted out, even as narcissist as this sounds i firmly believe that i got what it takes to do this 8)
p.s. i know you guys don't buy it, but believe me, when you see my pecs you'll be shocked at what i did in such a fast time ;)
i told you dudes that i got lost for awhile ie, boozing and this caused me to "forget" things, like the importance of "diet" also i was still training too much ie. too oftenSounds good but we have no proof, Barracho maybe wearing a long black coat right now "packing" for the shootout.
now i'm on the right course FINALLY and that is why i figure i'll max myself out in sept/oct
IMO, my ideal "beauty" is 165-175 @ 6-7% with legit 16 inch arms and a legit 29 inch waist (p.s. my wrist measures all of 6 inches ;))
in fact, i'll look into doing bodyart photos once i am sculpted out, even as narcissist as this sounds i firmly believe that i got what it takes to do this 8)
p.s. i know you guys don't buy it, but believe me, when you see my pecs you'll be shocked at what i did in such a fast time ;)
Sounds good but we have no proof, Barracho maybe wearing a long black coat right now "packing" for the shootout.
i know what to expect from borracho,,i'm curious and do think dj is working this hard,,he knows his rep is at stake and no pressure from a 'groink'to diminish his goal here,,we are fair but honest and looking for a mr o build just what he 'say's is his ideal'''and after this we will foward to the fall for full transformation ,,i would like to see a bigger version of his best look,,dj is older now and should be able to put some size with slower metabolism and base he built previous.i offer no training or diet cause he will do his own interpetation anyway,,,more exercises tho there are many angles to achieve maximium density and overall balance/look,,consider this dj for the next round come fall..Exactly.
where you at chumpo B?Sounds like you are dialing in.
got my cals down to 1450 and i may go down to 1200 the last few days
ab skinfold is 7-8 mm but i plan to get it down to 5-6 mm
4 mm would be ideal but i don't think that i'll be able to hit 4 mm by the 17th (16th for me, coz that's when i'll have my pics taken)
p.s. my push-ups training loads have been going up rather well and my curl loads have gone up a bit, and i'm going to the sports shop today to get some 20 kg plates so that i can load more weight to the bar for squats ;)
Sounds like you are dialing in.
quiet here today,,someone muzzled dj or is he starving and can't type,,,,
;D ;D ;Dgood stuff,,i like four seasons ,,liked franki valli's voice as he got older like my eye's adored ya,swearing to god,to good to be true,,,my father met him and sported same looke in 70's hair wise my dad but with serpico beard,,,my dad has classic italian american look ,snozz,face,me too for most part,,my dad loved this,beach boys,chicago he loves chicago,,,my paren'st saw sinatra few times in 70's /80's...
nah man, i was just digging on some fine old tunes by some coolass Italian-American fellas 8)
but it does seem that B is losing his edge ;D ;D ;D
p.s. i trained squats this night after i went and bought heavier dumbbell plates since i maxed out what i had for the squats, and i really was gonna hit calf raise, but i said to myself "fuck it!" and just finished off the training session with some weighted crunches
just looking through my training records/journal and i haven't trained calves in over 3 weeks now :D :D :D:-[,,,do em for balance not for this contest,,,
good stuff,,i like four seasons ,,liked franki valli's voice as he got older like my eye's adored ya,swearing to god,to good to be true,,,my father met him and sported same looke in 70's hair wise my dad but with serpico beard,,,my dad has classic italian american look ,snozz,face,me too for most part,,my dad loved this,beach boys,chicago he loves chicago,,,my paren'st saw sinatra few times in 70's /80's...
fucking awesome!my dad still see's chicago,,, cetera softened there sound,,,the horns are in the forefront still today,,they have some younger guys filling around the veterans,,,
and chicago was boss in the 70's but in the 80's they sold out a bit and lost their edge :'(
:-[,,,do em for balance not for this contest,,,
my dad still see's chicago,,, cetera softened there sound,,,the horns are in the forefront still today,,they have some younger guys filling around the veterans,,,
i was with my girl last nite, and even she told me that i really need to have them so that everything will be in proportion to look best (yeah, she's sharp and smart girl :))i like doing them,,,bet a thick book ot some type of stand grab a plate 45 and do 1 legged stretch to bottom and flex to top do sets 15/30 4x 2 per week,,and do some partial reps as u get fatigued calves need heavy stimulation and stretch in between sets blood flow accumulates quick in calves,,
i told her that i was gonna get these plates today so that i can make my upper thighs bigger and she told me train them too and pointed at my calves ;D 8) :P
but seriously, how do you motivate yourself to train them ??? ??? ??? for me they are just soooooo goddamn boring to train and i just can't motivate myself to train them...
yeah i kinda hate doing squats but i do them anyway coz at least they aren't so fucking boring to train
i like doing them,,,bet a thick book ot some type of stand grab a plate 45 and do 1 legged stretch to bottom and flex to top do sets 15/30 4x 2 per week,,and do some partial reps as u get fatigued calves need heavy stimulation and stretch in between sets blood flow accumulates quick in calves,,
Barrcho has left the scene. Did you scare him off dj with reports of leaness?
Barracho has a good structure as well hence the contest.
Barrcho has left the scene. Did you scare him off dj with reports of leaness?
These damn koreans won't budge...gonna need you to come for back up. Bring your shotgun!
Countdown is on dj... :D
how shredded is shredded? ;)
.1 % less than you ;D
You guys got to get those calves up, you cant go onstage with no calves. ;D
ladies like... tight narrow slim waist, wide shoulders and round bubble assNjflex and I would like to see a calve contest so as to compare weakest bodyparts.
FUCK CALVES :D :D :D :D :D
Njflex and I would like to see a calve contest so as to compare weakest bodyparts.
ladies like... tight narrow slim waist, wide shoulders and round bubble assI HAVE BUBBLE ASS :P.. :-*..
FUCK CALVES :D :D :D :D :D
Njflex and I would like to see a calve contest so as to compare weakest bodyparts.
LMAO
maybe we should do a "who has the biggest c0ck" contest ;) :)CHECK PLEASE.....
lol @ njflex
but dj....cold or with a pump?
maybe we should do a "who has the biggest c0ck" contest ;) :)You might want stay away from from that contest unless you want Mr Nobody step in and wax you all 8)
this dieting is really pissing me the fuck off >:( >:( >:(Thats about right maybe 2700 just a bit above maintenance you will gain better on a bit over maintenance but I would not bulk up unless you want to stay that way because all you have to do is lose it again a viscious cycle.
the thing is... i really believe that i can gain muscle while losing fat at the same time, but in order to do so i need to take my cals up a bit
fuck! i actually gained muscle while losing fat on bout 2500 cals per day some years back, and i was even a natty at that point in time
i guess what i can do is finish this goddamn fucking diet and then go up to 2500 cals per day and see if i can go back to gaining muscle while losing fat
this dieting is really pissing me the fuck off >:( >:( >:('some yrs back'u said it ur older and lost some time not training like u should have,,making up for lost time...thats whats good about human body it goes back if it gets stimulated again,,,
the thing is... i really believe that i can gain muscle while losing fat at the same time, but in order to do so i need to take my cals up a bit
fuck! i actually gained muscle while losing fat on bout 2500 cals per day some years back, and i was even a natty at that point in time
i guess what i can do is finish this goddamn fucking diet and then go up to 2500 cals per day and see if i can go back to gaining muscle while losing fat
Thats about right maybe 2700 just a bit above maintenance you will gain better on a bit over maintenance but I would not bulk up unless you want to stay that way because all you have to do is lose it again a viscious cycle.
but i ain't talking bulking brosefThen stay around 2200 for your size. One cheat a week. Obivously you have been bulking or you wouldn't have to diet as you are now.
i'm talking going from 170 @ 7% to 175 @ 5% ;)
gaining roughly 8 pounds of lean muscle tissue while LOSING roughly 3 pounds of bodyfat ALL AT THE SAME TIME, and YES.... IT CAN BE DONE ;)
and btw, it looks like i'll be coming in @ 7-8%
i wanted to hit 6% but i don't think that it's gonna happen, but who knows... maybe i don't "see" myself as i really am ???
Then stay around 2200 for your size. One cheat a week. Obivously you have been bulking or you wouldn't have to diet as you are now.
Impossible ... ;D
Just a few more days brother....hang in there!
allright, so i'll go to 2200-2400 after this contest and then we'll see what happensSo how do you see yourself currently?
yep, that's true as it's less than a week now ;D
but seriously, i really can't "see" myself as i really am ???
i guess that i'm my own worst enemy, as that's been said to me a few times before, and it wasn't even Mentzer that said it, as he just called me "The Wild Horse" 8)
So how do you see yourself currently?
in a nutshell as not "good enough"
but this shit stems from childhood and my macho uncles calling me a "weak fag" and that i'm not good enough and that kinda shit
maybe it a symptom of narcissism, as i sure as hell am a narcissist
and on a side note i see these ugly, fat toady pollocks walking around all proud and arrogant and i think to myself... "how the fuck do these goddamn toads have this confidence? they look like absolute horseshit" ??? ??? ??? LOL!
but i know you have something similar coz you often tell me about seeing these hot females with fat toady guys ;D ;D ;D
in a nutshell as not "good enough"Yea I see toads everyday with hot girls, but those girls may have a mental problem as well I think maybe a missing or bad father or just feel safe with toads because there is no jealousy. I once dated a girl she said this is not going to work because "you may get more attention than I do" it didnt work. The comments from childhood is what drives you once hurt in childhood it takes a lifetime to overcome hence why you weight lift.
but this shit stems from childhood and my macho uncles calling me a "weak fag" and that i'm not good enough and that kinda shit
maybe it a symptom of narcissism, as i sure as hell am a narcissist
and on a side note i see these ugly, fat toady pollocks walking around all proud and arrogant and i think to myself... "how the fuck do these goddamn toads have this confidence? they look like absolute horseshit" ??? ??? ??? LOL!
but i know you have something similar coz you often tell me about seeing these hot females with fat toady guys ;D ;D ;D
Exactly.
Now for this showdown I suggest the minimum of 4 mandatory poses there are 7 in competing.
Front relaxed pose.
Quarter turn to the right, side chest.
Back lat spread,
Front ab shot, hands behind the head.
thanks for the cool words dudes 8)
anyways, i expect all 3 of you dudes to be honest with me once you see the update pics and to tell me what you really see
i think that my chest has improved but my arms not as much, and i also think that my legs (at least my upper legs ;D) are in pretty decent proportion to my upper bod
and as far as this "attractiveness" gig goes, my girl has been a little bit affected by the pics see saw of my x-wifey, and B and Mr. N maybe kinda know what's up with that since they've seen these pics of x-wifey
and yeah, i know it can be difficult for an attractive female to be with fellas like us, since we can maybe give them some competition within the looks and attractiveness dept ;D ;D ;D
Exactly.
Now for this showdown I suggest the minimum of 4 mandatory poses there are 7 in competing.
Front relaxed pose.
Quarter turn to the right, side chest.
Back lat spread,
Front ab shot, hands behind the head.
let's just say we can send whatever poses we want with the only ones being mandatory as... 1. front relaxed 2. back relaxed 3. side relaxedYea I know you are but Barracho has to agree.
i'm not ready for a BB comp at this point in time as the focus is now only upon LEANNESS
in fact for leanness we could both just send an ab shot as that basically gives the proper indication of one's level of leanness, but i'll send just a few extras so you dudes can judge my proportions and tell me my weaknesses
remember Mr. N, i'm stubborn as fuck and i didn't easily get this name of Wild Horse from Mr. Mentzer ;D ;D ;D
Yea I know you are but Barracho has to agree.
Yea I know you are but Barracho has to agree.
well i ain't gonna do no ab shot or rear lat spread, so if that takes points off for me then so be it
REMEMBER... this IS NOT a "who has the best physique contest" IT IS... "who has the least bodyfat"
As long as you think you have enough to compare leaness I'm ok with it. Sending more pics may be beneficial since we all don't distribute fat evenly is that correct mr. n?This is true Barracho that's why I suggested 4 poses so you got comparsion all over for leaness. But you and dj have to agree on the shots or come to terms.
Whats wrong with your lat spread and ab shot?
Whats wrong with your lat spread and ab shot?
This is true Barracho that's why I suggested 4 poses so you got comparsion all over for leaness. But you and dj have to agree on the shots or come to terms.
honest answer?
ok, i'll tell you...
my uncles told me that men who pose like that are fucking pussies and that real men play sports like football, baseball, and boxing where one can get hurt, not f@gs who wear tiny bikinis and parade around posing thier muscles
yeah man, that shit still affects me to this day :-\ :-\ :-\
anyways, if you got a great fucking body you can just stand there relaxed and everyone can see how great your bod is without having to "flex" it
Was your uncle a getbigger by any chance? :D
..sounds like a jerk.
THE FIRST 2 ARE BASICALLY CONTEST SHAPE FOR 2 EXTREMES MOST WHO COMPETE FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY ,,,YEAH 8/9 IS STILL PRETTY RIPPED AND HARD LOOKING ITS NOT THERE,,10/12 IS SKINNY GUY WITH ABS AND SOFT OTHERWISE..
THE FIRST 2 ARE BASICALLY CONTEST SHAPE FOR 2 EXTREMES MOST WHO COMPETE FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY ,,,YEAH 8/9 IS STILL PRETTY RIPPED AND HARD LOOKING ITS NOT THERE,,10/12 IS SKINNY GUY WITH ABS AND SOFT OTHERWISE..Spot on thats the way see it as well.
B may have a chance now, but come sept/oct only ma man che will be able to match my beauty ;)
I see dj is back to his old narcissistic self today. :DWHAT IS DJ'S BUILD PERCEPTION OF BEAUTY ,,,I LIKE ZANE LIKE HE DOES...WELL ZANE HAD GREAT PROPORTIONS AND SHAPE,,BUT HE HAD FREAKY CONTEST HARDNESS AND SEPERATION IN TOP SHAPE A VERY HARD CONDITION TO GET IN ESPECIALLY IF UR NOT USING MORE ADVANCED DRUGS OTHER THAN SUPERDROL...IF UR SAYING AND 'BORRACHO'UR TO YOUNG TO REMEMBER ZANES LOL SOLOFLEX ADS THEN MAYBE HE LOOKED VERY GOOD IN THEM JUST NOT 'DRY'ZANE SHREDDED LOOK.I LOVED HIS BUILD ...
this is FUCKING BEAUTIFUL :P :P :P :PIs that Barracho mars said he a vein like that in his arm.
P-E-R-F-E-C-T ;)
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Is that Barracho mars said he a vein like that in his arm.
Yeah that was a few months ago when I was on the tomato, chocolate low heme iron falcon diet.
'YOUNG LUST'I NEED A DIRTY WOMAN,,,I NEED A DIRTY GIRL,,,
That's a great track but it sounds like you might have something/someone on your mind ;DYOU CAN'T HAVE ANY PUDDING IF YA DON'T EAT YA MEAT...
YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY PUDDING IF YA DON'T EAT YA MEAT...
That's a great track but it sounds like you might have something/someone on your mind ;D:D,,,,
btw B, how you dealing wit da hunger dude?Time is ticking.
i had bout 1800 cals today and now ima gonna drink some strongass black coffee to kill my goddamn hunger >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Time is ticking.
just curious B what's your height and weight?
my IDEAL would be 175 to 180 MAX @ 5'11" and @ 6-7%
in my peak pics i was only 154 @ sub-6 so 20-25 pounds of pure lean muscle tissue added to that is more than enough
hell, even 10 pounds of added lean muscle might be enough
honestly, i think "big guys" look like fucking toads, especially thier bigass legs :-X :-X :-X
sleek and cat-like is where it's at baby!!!!
btw B, how you dealing wit da hunger dude?
i had bout 1800 cals today and now ima gonna drink some strongass black coffee to kill my goddamn hunger >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Forgot to mention in my previous post not to concern yourself with numbers too much. Just train and eat properly and the results will come.
yeah, and Mr. N and ukjeff also tell me to forget about the tape measure and skinfold calipers, but it's a hard thing to do for a German precision mind like mine ;)
as Germanic peoples basically created NASA and precision automobiles like Mercedes and BMW, and Porsche
btw, did i also tell you that Mentzer, Zane, and Arnold are all fellas of Germanic origin 8) 8) 8)
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YES....numerous times.Just use machines no DB flyes, Pec deck and Smith machine until the shoulder heals.
Cute pic above....lol
So how much percentage German blood do you have EXACTLY? :D
And man...shoulders have been giving me problems for a long time on and off. Always dreaded doing chest because of that but I've concentrated more on inclines. Was inclining 110 pound db for a good 8 reps a few months back and shoulder started acting up again..not impressive but I've never focused on strength too much anyway. Just been doing a lot of fly movements recently and some machine presses....sucks!
Just use machines no DB flyes, Pec deck and Smith machine until the shoulder heals.
YES....numerous times.
Cute pic above....lol
So how much percentage German blood do you have EXACTLY? :D
And man...shoulders have been giving me problems for a long time on and off. Always dreaded doing chest because of that but I've concentrated more on inclines. Was inclining 110 pound db for a good 8 reps a few months back and shoulder started acting up again..not impressive but I've never focused on strength too much anyway. Just been doing a lot of fly movements recently and some machine presses....sucks!
So ashamed of being American....haha just fucking with ya!Caffeine works in strange ways if you are used to it you can fall right asleep drinking it but you give a person caffeine thats not used to it they would not sleep all night.
Hows the coffee working out for ya??
I can drink a lot and still fall asleep...lethargy is setting in.
So ashamed of being American....haha just fucking with ya!
Hows the coffee working out for ya??
I can drink a lot and still fall asleep...lethargy is setting in.
Caffeine works in strange ways if you are used to it you can fall right asleep drinking it but you give a person caffeine thats not used to it they would not sleep all night.
it's doing me good, coz i was still hungry after my final chicken and broccoli meal, so i had some very strong black coffee and went for a gayass walk :D :D :D
i call it a "gayass walk" coz in my mind real men run and only old ladies and pussies walk (thanks to my uncles macho brainwash of my as a youngen)
That's it...I have developed a tolerance to the stuff by now.Here is the kicker if you tried to quit caffeine you would not be able to sleep well. Caffeine and aspirin work well as a fat burning agent about 20 minutes before a workout.
Theres people that take tyrosine with ephedrine to get the stimulating effects from it after they've been taking it for a while. I wonder if that would work for caffeine too...
I seem to be pretty tolerant to most stimulants except the harder stuff....which I stay away from now.
I think it all depends on how you walk...if you strut....you're ok.
Here is the kicker if you tried to quit caffeine you would not be able to sleep well. Caffeine and aspirin work well as a fat burning agent about 20 minutes before a workout.yes,,,,cardio is for the birds,,eat less,eat protein,train,rest,repeat,add carbs depending,drink water,reduce water,,pump up take pics,,,or blow up in a suppossed offseason and stay smooth and walk around big in clothes,,,
i'm guest posing in this thread,,,,Great build nj no doubt, big arms and chest how is your back shots?. On the side chest bring back the arm a bit it will expand your chest more.
Here is the kicker if you tried to quit caffeine you would not be able to sleep well. Caffeine and aspirin work well as a fat burning agent about 20 minutes before a workout.
;D ;D ;D
i miss the days when the chicks would scream at me from thier cars as i ran shirtless in the hot summer sun...
i'd hear things like "wooo... hey baby!" "nice!" "HOT!!!"
at least i think that's what they were screaming at me ;D ;D ;D LOL!
yes,,,,cardio is for the birds,,eat less,eat protein,train,rest,repeat,add carbs depending,drink water,reduce water,,pump up take pics,,,or blow up in a suppossed offseason and stay smooth and walk around big in clothes,,,
yes,,,,cardio is for the birds,,eat less,eat protein,train,rest,repeat,add carbs depending,drink water,reduce water,,pump up take pics,,,or blow up in a suppossed offseason and stay smooth and walk around big in clothes,,,Exactly, just light cardio all you need or it cuts into muscle size. Being tall and it was winter and a guy says to me at a gas station a big dude in a coat walking slow scares me I said just just relax man I want harm you, serious this happened.
Lol @ blocking out the steelers logo....a gift for a jets fan perhaps?huge steelers fan,,,didn't want getbiggers like u making fun of my pj's,,,,
back and tri,,relaxed back thats all i have,,,Full muscle bellies, seems you have long triceps and lat attachments. Have you competed before?
Full muscle bellies, seems you have long triceps and lat attachments. Have you competed before?yes in 90's,,,,age 23,24,27..
huge steelers fan,,,didn't want getbiggers like u making fun of my pj's,,,,
yes in 90's,,,,age 23,24,27..Good I was going to say you should if you havent.
Good I was going to say you should if you havent.i just enjoy training,reshaping the body and whats possible when its all in sync,,,,i hope that sounds cool not corny,,,i really loved the magaine era 80/90's it was something to have the mag in hand pics/articles not the supplement page after page today ,,the cats out of the bag a long time,,we knew people took steroids in 74/84/94/04/13 on and on,,,,if ur naive shame on u,,,,
i just enjoy training,reshaping the body and whats possible when its all in sync,,,,i hope that sounds cool not corny,,,i really loved the magaine era 80/90's it was something to have the mag in hand pics/articles not the supplement page after page today ,,the cats out of the bag a long time,,we knew people took steroids in 74/84/94/04/13 on and on,,,,if ur naive shame on u,,,,Yes there was something about buying a magazine in the 90's before they went online you had in your hands reading it now it's wasted money you can read it all online.
a very nice and tasty jewess for you fellas :PClearly nice reverse lunge form, looks like it's working by the looks of that ass.
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a very nice and tasty jewess for you fellas :P
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a very nice and tasty jewess for you fellas :Pvery nice,,
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be doing squats in bout 3 hours or so and i bet they'll go up, even on low cals ;)Let us know. Why do them if you are going to wear pants in the contest?
KA-BOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!!
Let us know. Why do them if you are going to wear pants in the contest?
well as much as i talk shit i really do want to have perfect proportions, coz quite honestly that's a HUGE PART of this beautiful bod thing, and in fact it probably is.... THE MOST IMPORTANT PART of the body beautiful equation 8) 8) 8)
well as much as i talk shit i really do want to have perfect proportions, coz quite honestly that's a HUGE PART of this beautiful bod thing, and in fact it probably is.... THE MOST IMPORTANT PART of the body beautiful equation 8) 8) 8)I SEE YOUR POINTS AND EVERYONE WHO PICKS UP A WEIGHT AND TRULY SCULPTS THERE BODY AND IS TRYING TO BE AWARE OF PROPORTION ,,YOU STILL CANNOT TRULY SAY I'M IN PERFECT PROPORTION ,TOO MANY VARIABLES,,,AND WHEN U DIET YOUR WEAKER/LESEER BODY PARTS FALL BACK AND BETTER GROUPS REMAIN STRONG,,,LET THE PICS DECIDE AFTER LEANESS PORTION,WE WILL DETERMINE THE 'PROPORTION'S 'ASPECT,,ITS NOT EASY AS IT SEEMS...
the thing is, i really do see my wheels (at least my leg above the calf ;)) as being damn close in proportion to my upper bod
the last parts that i'll have to fill out are calf and bi, as wheels and pecs are almost now in proportion to my delts, tris, and lats, but y'all can tell me how you see it when you get ma latest pics (and again, i want brutal honesty, so don't patronize me)
I SEE YOUR POINTS AND EVERYONE WHO PICKS UP A WEIGHT AND TRULY SCULPTS THERE BODY AND IS TRYING TO BE AWARE OF PROPORTION ,,YOU STILL CANNOT TRULY SAY I'M IN PERFECT PROPORTION ,TOO MANY VARIABLES,,,AND WHEN U DIET YOUR WEAKER/LESEER BODY PARTS FALL BACK AND BETTER GROUPS REMAIN STRONG,,,LET THE PICS DECIDE AFTER LEANESS PORTION,WE WILL DETERMINE THE 'PROPORTION'S 'ASPECT,,ITS NOT EASY AS IT SEEMS...
Right on every single point.FORGET US 4 HERE WE TRAIN AND DO EVERY MUSCLE GROUP,,,BUT TO SHOW U GENETICS,HEAVY TRAINING,AND SOME DRUGS ,,BORRACHO LOOK AT' DECEIVERS' BUILD HE DOES BASICS AND NO DELT WORK OR ANY SINGLE PARTS OTHER THAN POWERLIFTING MOVES,,AND YA KNOW IN HIS PICS HIS PROPORTIONS OTHER THAN LEGS A LITTLE BIGGER THAN THE REST LOOK DECENT ..
I tried from the very beginning to be as proportionate as possible by training everything hard....but we all have those parts don't wanna respond. Even the best of the best in this resort to seo injections...that right there tells you how hard it really is.
FORGET US 4 HERE WE TRAIN AND DO EVERY MUSCLE GROUP,,,BUT TO SHOW U GENETICS,HEAVY TRAINING,AND SOME DRUGS ,,BORRACHO LOOK AT' DECEIVERS' BUILD HE DOES BASICS AND NO DELT WORK OR ANY SINGLE PARTS OTHER THAN POWERLIFTING MOVES,,AND YA KNOW IN HIS PICS HIS PROPORTIONS OTHER THAN LEGS A LITTLE BIGGER THAN THE REST LOOK DECENT ..
Keys in order of importance.1 MAJOR YES,,,
1. Genes
2. Train -Progressively upping the weights.
3. Concentrate on weak points.
4. Diet
5. Mild cardio for fat burning too intense burns carbs/sugar not fat.
4. Drugs if you choose to take them.
5. Preparation, posing, tanning, dropping water if competing.
1 MAJOR YES,,,Exactly, on the last comment there was a guy that trained with me only weighed like 165 I was 220 at the time he could almost match me in strength but had very little muscle size but didnt have the genes for size. I think his brain fired off more Neurotransmitters than I, which means a direct signal from the brain to the muscle.
2 YES
3 YES ONLY SO MUCH
4 YES
5 YES HATE IT,,
DRUGS YES IN WANTED/NEEDED
5 ONLY CHOICE FEW PREP VERY IMPORTANT 100 PCT ..75/25 NOT GOING TO CUT EVERY STONE NEEDS TO BE UNTURNED TO COMPETE.
LINE 1 GENETICS ESPECIALLY SHAPE/MUSCLE SIZE INVOLVED ..GUY I TRAIN WITH STRONGER DB FLAT BENCH THAN ME BY A LITTLE COULD BE WEIGHT OR REPS AT A GIVEN TIME AND ICLINE PRESS MORE THAN ME ,,HIS PECS ARE FLAT AS A PANCAKE,,I DO WARMUP SETS AND PECS ARE ROUNDED PUMPED THROUGH SHIRT ,,HE SAY'S GENETICS DAMN,,
AND WHEN U DIET YOUR WEAKER/LESEER BODY PARTS FALL BACK AND BETTER GROUPS REMAIN STRONG,,,LET THE PICS DECIDE AFTER LEANESS PORTION,WE WILL DETERMINE THE 'PROPORTION'S 'ASPECT,,ITS NOT EASY AS IT SEEMS...
THIS
and i'm really hoping that i'll hit 6-7% come contest day and again i'll need you dudes to be honest with me there
and it is VERY TRUE that once one is that lean then it's impossible to hide weak points
if i'm not @ 6-7% come contest day then i'll keep going til i am
coz then plan is to hit 6-7% and then STAY THERE while adding lean muscle tissue where needed, and yes.... I CAN DO THIS ;)
squats are coming up soon, so i'll let you dudes know how they go and maybe y'all can recommend a good tune for me to train them to ;D 8) :)
Exactly, on the last comment there was a guy that trained with me only weighed like 165 I was 220 at the time he could almost match me in strength but had very little muscle size but didnt have the genes for size. I think his brain fired off more Neurotransmitters than I, which means a direct signal from the brain to the muscle.my training partner is Turkish ,,his tris are strong as shit and arms are pretty good ,I tell him he's pushing through with arms and pecs are not getting it stimulation wise,,,
THIS8) You are doing squats for the girls so think of this when doing squats.
and i'm really hoping that i'll hit 6-7% come contest day and again i'll need you dudes to be honest with me there
and it is VERY TRUE that once one is that lean then it's impossible to hide weak points
if i'm not @ 6-7% come contest day then i'll keep going til i am
coz then plan is to hit 6-7% and then STAY THERE while adding lean muscle tissue where needed, and yes.... I CAN DO THIS ;)
squats are coming up soon, so i'll let you dudes know how they go and maybe y'all can recommend a good tune for me to train them to ;D 8) :)
If neither of us are..... keep going to see who gets there first ? :D
fuck ...now they'll probably just tell us we're above that just to make us suffer a bit more.
8) You are doing squats for the girls so think of this when doing squats.
squats went up 4 full repsSee what rest does.
POOOOOOWWWWWW!!!!!!
feels good, feels DAMN GOOD 8) :) ;D
See what rest does.
squats went up 4 full repsDUMBELL SQUATS?RIGHT...
POOOOOOWWWWWW!!!!!!
feels good, feels DAMN GOOD 8) :) ;D
DUMBELL SQUATS?RIGHT...
post workout meal was 4 scrambled eggs and now i'm done eating for the day
today total cals are @ 1500 and total protein 135 grams
where u at B?! :-*
I'm at zero >:(
really? so you're fasting today then i take it?
are you an IF guy?
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LOL!As I understand Barracho is taking it the max, so are you going throw the towel in and not try the necessary preparations?
still not sure how serious i'm gonna take this contest as far as prep...
like.... will i trim and shave my legs? will i use this skin bronzing lotion that i just bought on sunday? will i do any water manipulation starting a few days before the photo shoot? etc...
As I understand Barracho is taking it the max, so are you going throw the towel in and not try the necessary preparations?
I got my jan tana and glittery purple posing thong ready. 8)Yea last week final touches are in order.
As I understand Barracho is taking it the max, so are you going throw the towel in and not try the necessary preparations?
I got my jan tana and glittery purple posing thong ready. 8)
i'm not sure yet man, coz i'd rather show myself as i really amTo be ripped you got to drop water for 3 days if not blurred definition.
maybe i'll shave and tan but i doubt i'll do any water manipulations...
you see shave and tan is rather natural, coz i can keep shaven and tanned, but water manipulations are fake as fuck coz they only last a very short while and they are rather phoney (not a true natural everyday state)
;D ;D ;D
To be ripped you got to drop water for 3 days if not blurred definition.
so you're saying that i'm not ripped here? i did ZERO manipulations at that time and just walked in of the streets and snapped that pic ;)No thigh definition, I wouldn't say ripped but lean no doubt.
No thigh definition, I wouldn't say ripped but lean no doubt.
i was measured @ sub-6 there and i was measured @ sub-5 hereYou better come in sub-5 then. Barracho I understand is sub 6 now.
and the 2nd one is the kinda girls that were screaming at me from thier rides 8) ;D :P
I have a feeling njflex has been secretly dieting and will join this contest last minute and blow us both out of the water. I can see him already sipping some distilled water as he pulls out the old posing trunks outta the closet.If he comes out he is going to be serious and he knows how pose the mandantory pre-judging shots where the contest is decided.
You better come in sub-5 then. Barracho I understand is sub 6 now.
If he comes out he is going to be serious and he knows how pose the mandantory pre-judging shots where the contest is decided.
Yes, this is my fear...I'm having trouble sleeping at night because of it.Exactly if NJ comes out its "lights out game over".
Exactly if NJ comes out its "lights out game over".
Sliced!!!very grew up in a very populated italian american area,,everybody 5'4 to 5'8 ripped,stockyish,muscled,guido,all competing,,before me remeber gaspari jersey boy,,during my time and one of my physique goal looks vinny galanti sick build,many,many too many,,,great era..
I imagine your area being VERY competitive during those days you competed....
very grew up in a very populated italian american area,,everybody 5'4 to 5'8 ripped,stockyish,muscled,guido,all competing,,before me remeber gaspari jersey boy,,during my time and one of my physique goal looks vinny galanti sick build,many,many too many,,,great era..Gaspari had good symmetry and vascular the dude had veins running everywhere.
Gaspari had good symmetry and vascular the dude had veins running everywhere.
Great physique overall ripped up as well, thighs a strong point.agree 100%
he was MUCH BETTER than gayspariA good physique but sorry Gaspari finished 2nd in the Mr O once.
A good physique but sorry Gaspari finished 2nd in the Mr O once.
that's true, but.... IMO San has/had a much prettier bod than gayspari (no homo)yes he did capped delts,full pecs,
btw dudes, i'm giving a good effort here but not pushing real hardI KNOW YOUR ON HIGH DOSES OF CAFFEINE TO SPUR YOUR LEANESS ON,,BUT CHILL LOL,,,
anyways, my whole point at this point in time is to prove to you dudes that i can indeed make improvements upon my physique and to do what i set out to do 8)
what i'm going to prove at this point in time is that i can and did get MUCH LEANER and that i added shape and size onto my weak points ie. chest and arms
next up, i'll stay as lean as i am now, while continuing to add shape and size to my weak points ie. chest, arms (if they still are weak points) and now i'll also ADD CALVES into the mix ;)
so what i want from you dudes is to confirm that i really did get MUCH leaner and that i did indeed add size and shape to my chest and arms (if i really did so, so shoot it to me straight and don't patronize me)
also i'll ask of you dudes what still needs work in order to PERFECT MY PORPORTIONS 8) 8) 8)
and i want you fellas to tell me this separately so i can get each of your points of view privately, coz last time all 3 of you said the same thing to me privately ie. that my back and delts are/were ahead of my chest and arms
I KNOW YOUR ON HIGH DOSES OF CAFFEINE TO SPUR YOUR LEANESS ON,,BUT CHILL LOL,,,
not exactly man, it's more my OCD coming out, or quite possibly mania as i was once diagnosed as manic-depressive but it seems that this was the wrong diagnosis as that was when i was a fully raging alcoholic lolYESS,,,,,
i guess my correct diagnosis is narcissism sprinkled with a touch of OCD ;D ;D ;D
Maybe dj can put aside the OCD and come dialed in.
maybe...Whats the deadline again 17th?
Whats the deadline again 17th?
Yup!!Ric Flair one of best shit talkers ever. I was never good at it, I was asked by a member here to post on the Wrestling board so I put up that avatar. LOL go to youtube and look him up some funny stuff.
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Ric Flair one of best shit talkers ever. I was never good at it, I was asked by a member here to post on the Wrestling board so I put up that avatar. LOL go to youtube and look him up some funny stuff.
oh I know who he is 8)Ric had a gym here I used train at met him once. Pro wrestling is planned as to who will win but there is some hilarious characters in it, I dont really like the matches just the shit talk :D. I guess because my dad took to me wrestling matches as a kid i'm kinda fond of it.
My favorite wrestling era was the nwo in the wcw...flair was one of the 4 horsemen. I was in highschool than :D
Ric had a gym here I used train at met him once. Pro wrestling is planned as to who will win but there is some hilarious characters in it, I dont really like the matches just the shit talk :D. I guess because my dad took to me wrestling matches as a kid i'm kinda fond of it.
haha ric flairs the man...Get on the wrestling board some fun stuff there, I was out of it too until this person asked me go there. Andre the Giant actually lived not to far from here, a good hearted guy died young.
and yeah its like a male soap opera no doubt.
Not watching it much these days but I used to a lot as a kid and up to h.s...kinda outta the loop now.
Get on the wrestling board some fun stuff there, I was out of it too until this person asked me go there. Andre the Giant actually lived not to far from here, a good hearted guy died young.
Oh yeah...those extremely large people with acromegaly rarely live long lives. I think he had that disease ???Imagine what kind of bed Andre had to sleep in he probably had a custom made one at home, hell I'm only 6'2" and my feet hang of the bed sometimes, not to mention when he travelled stayed in hotel rooms he had to sleep on the floor I'm sure.
probably didn't help he drank a lot ...I heard had to drink whole botles of hard liquor just to feel anything.
Imagine what kind of bed Andre had to sleep in he probably had a custom made one at home, hell I'm only 6'2" and my feet hang of the bed sometimes, not to mention when he travelled stayed in hotel rooms he had to sleep on the floor I'm sure.
Yeah...imagine the guy traveling around and having to sleep at hotels like some in Europe which tend to have tiny beds. And just doing random everyday things like walking through doors, getting in cars, taking dumps or showering when on the road. :-\
Even 6'2 has to be a pain the ass at times.
Yeah...imagine the guy traveling around and having to sleep at hotels like some in Europe which tend to have tiny beds. And just doing random everyday things like walking through doors, getting in cars, taking dumps or showering when on the road. :-\Yep it is.
Even 6'2 has to be a pain the ass at times.
how's it going chumpo?
you ready to git yo ass beat n few days ;)
Doing pretty good man...
Looking better and better as the days go by it seems. Hunger is my new best friend!
6 days left.
at this point in time i got figure out how many cals that i can eat and still gain muscle while losing fat?Ethiopians take in more cals than 1100. 2500 max.
i really don't know how lean i am right now ??? ??? ???
i'm defiantely getting leaner on 1500-1800 cals a day, but i'm thinking that i could even go up to 2500 or even 2800 and still lose fat while gaining muscle
here in this article AJ talks about gaining muscle while losing fat on 1,100 cals per day, it's on page 5 here
this article is very interesting to say the least
http://arthurjonesexercise.com/Athletic/Exercise1983.PDF
Ethiopians take in more cals than 1100. 2500 max.
so do you believe that he really only ate 1100 cals for weeks on end?No I don't believe the 1100 for weeks he was trying to get a rise out of people. The mirror tells all sub this sub that dont mean shit if you look like shit. If NJflex jumps in this thing it's over the dude is jacked, ripped and tanned.
i guess what i'll do is let you fellas tell me how lean i really am, and then from there i'll try and figure out how many cals to eat
if i'm sub-6 then i can increase cals somewhat, but if i'm over 7 then i gotta still keep cals low
so allright, that settles it then, i'll take these pics "as is" with no water manipulations or any "tricks of the trade"
i'll probably trim up my hairy legs and put just a bit of bronze skin lotion on, but no "diet tricks"
remember, at this point in time i just want to get some honest feedback and then re-access my current situation and then continue on my course to outstanding-ness 8) 8) 8)
No I don't believe the 1100 for weeks he was trying to get a rise out of people. The mirror tells all sub this sub that dont mean shit if you look like shit. If NJflex jumps in this thing it's over the dude is jacked, ripped and tanned.
dj181 @ home INCREASING TRAINING LOADS!!!ur a trip...
dj181 @ home INCREASING TRAINING LOADS!!!
dj181 @ home INCREASING TRAINING LOADS!!!Is that really dj?
Is that really dj?
Only if you want it to be...
be careful man, coz this is THE REAL ME...Barracho lives in that center building in the pic silently waiting for you onslaught.
"And then moving in silently, down wind and out of sight
You gotta strike when the moment is right without thinking."
8) 8) 8)
question dj what is your home gym set up,equipment wise,weight wise,dumbells,
Barracho lives in that center building in the pic silently waiting for you onslaught.
be careful man, coz this is THE REAL ME...Barracho lives in that center building in the pic silently waiting for you onslaught.
"And then moving in silently, down wind and out of sight
You gotta strike when the moment is right without thinking."
8) 8) 8)
Barracho lives in that center building in the pic silently waiting for you onslaught.
i only have 2 adjustable dumbbells and as of now i've got the capability to load a bell up to 84 kg (185 pounds) but if and when i buy more weight i will be able to load a bell up to 102 kg (225 pounds) which is the max possible weight that i can load upon one of these bellsDO U TRAIN IN A ROOM OR BASEMENT?NO ROOM FOR A BENCH?A BENCH OPENS UP MANY POSSIBILITIES DB FLYES,FLAT DB PRESS,DIPS OF BENCH,LAT DB ROW,LYING TRICEP EXTENSIONS,ECT...
i don't have a bench or a barbell, just these adjustable dumbbells
i got plenty of 2 kg plates, 5 kg plates, and 10 kg plates, but i've only go two 20 kg plates as of now
once i buy 2 more 20 kg plates then i'll have all the weight that i can use for these bells
when doing db curls i can only put 2 kg plates on the bell, coz 5 kg plates or bigger interefer with performing them correctly as the bell becomes too wide
so max weight i can use on db curls is roughly 60 pounds and today i did 10 reps with roughly 50 pounds, so i've got 10 more pounds that i can load up on each arm for these curls
DO U TRAIN IN A ROOM OR BASEMENT?NO ROOM FOR A BENCH?A BENCH OPENS UP MANY POSSIBILITIES DB FLYES,FLAT DB PRESS,DIPS OF BENCH,LAT DB ROW,LYING TRICEP EXTENSIONS,ECT...
This thread has been interesting to say the least.
well i owe you a bit of gratitude dude, coz you kinda showed me the light to the importance of "diet" so thanks for that ma man
but i'm curious, do you really think that one needs at least 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight?
i'm only getting like .6-.7 grams per pound of bodyweight and as you'll see from my update pics, i've made some real nice progress on such a "low" protein intake
You have improved your diet right and it sounds like it's working out for you. Only thing I would suggest is to go up to 1g and see if you can see a difference in results. I'm sure you would....but at least you're not too far away from that now.
allright, so i guess that i'll have to buy some protein powder then
coz i need bout 50-60 more grams for my protein intake to equal my bodyweight
Try it out...
If you do decide to go the powder route you can find some tasty ones you can drink along side your chocolate chip muffins :D
p.s. fellas i'm just laying it on thick but don't take this shit too personal as i really am a nice cool guy 8) 8) 8)
Have you done any massive cheating yet?
Surprisingly it seems I've got a good handle on it this time around. Thinking of you doing the taxi driver work out, eating your post workout cheese and coffee must be helping in that regard. ;D
no i haven't man, and yeah i know that i'm a huge narcissistic fuck, but... i firmly believe that i AM MUCH STRONGER than most mentally, and i can suffer pain and hardship and not let it faze me and just keep the fuck going on ;D
i believe this mental toughness of mine comes from my teenage days when i was a rather decent x-country and track man coz when i'd run for training everything would start to hurt real fucking bad, but i told myself "don't give up pussy! push even harder!" and many times i did indeed do so, so this made me very tough, i think...
allright, so i guess that i'll have to buy some protein powder thenYes about around 100 would be better, although I agree with Barracho 1 gram per pound of bodyweight is best.
coz i need bout 50-60 more grams for my protein intake to equal my bodyweight
hey guys,,,yeah dj beats to his own drum,,i agree with him zane/benfatto are my build idols too,,,i have grown to see dj in different light than g/o board,,,borracho is a good kid all around ,,,i'm buzzed i was out with other part of the 4 seasons ..4 of us italian americans ,,italian dinner,wine,espresso,laughs ,,good food talking about the 90's scene in nj,,and checking out the milf's and hot youngings at the resteraunt,,ciao...Seems you had a good night out nj sounds like a range of hot women in the house...there.
Seems you had a good night out nj sounds like a range of hot women in the house...there.amazing,,,insane..they knew they were being checked out caused they were decked out tight dresses,tanned,blonde,one girl in particular out with a couple and a guy she was out with only few times u could tell by the body language she was looking over at our table and not looking directly at the guy she was with and was conversing with the other girl mostly,,,she was total package,,
amazing,,,insane..they knew they were being checked out caused they were decked out tight dresses,tanned,blonde,one girl in particular out with a couple and a guy she was out with only few times u could tell by the body language she was looking over at our table and not looking directly at the guy she was with and was conversing with the other girl mostly,,,she was total package,,Sounds as if she liked your muscles. 8) I always carry my business cards, in a situation like that as leaving I would hand her one then walk out the game is on them then because if they call you you are in for some hot sex because they made the move already. Its worked for me a few times.
Sounds as if she liked your muscles. 8) I always carry my business cards, in a situation like that as leaving I would hand her one then walk out the game is on them then because if they call you you are in for some hot sex because they made the move already. Its worked for me a few times.lol,,,had long sleeve tucked out shirt on,,,she couldn't see shit,,but i did have denim shorts on to show my muscular legs :P....
This is why doing this little thing here with you has kept me from screwing up on my diet. I know you're tough....but just too god damn hard headed man lol. I lol but its true.
hey guys,,,yeah dj beats to his own drum,,i agree with him zane/benfatto are my build idols too,,,i have grown to see dj in different light than g/o board,,,borracho is a good kid all around ,,,i'm buzzed i was out with other part of the 4 seasons ..4 of us italian americans ,,italian dinner,wine,espresso,laughs ,,good food talking about the 90's scene in nj,,and checking out the milf's and hot youngings at the resteraunt,,ciao...
Yes about around 100 would be better, although I agree with Barracho 1 gram per pound of bodyweight is best.
hey guys,,,yeah dj beats to his own drum,,i agree with him zane/benfatto are my build idols too,,,i have grown to see dj in different light than g/o board,,,borracho is a good kid all around ,,,i'm buzzed i was out with other part of the 4 seasons ..4 of us italian americans ,,italian dinner,wine,espresso,laughs ,,good food talking about the 90's scene in nj,,and checking out the milf's and hot youngings at the resteraunt,,ciao...
yeah man, i know that's true, and i'm trying to change, really i am
in fact, i think that i'm getting better and i'm a little bit more chill and i'm really trying to be more open and empathetic towards others and their feelings, but it's hard man and it's taking alot of work on my part
in fact i need this with my girl, coz i can be such a fucking d!ckhead sometimes and even my own mother said to me "dj, if you said some of the things to me that you've said to your girlfriends, then i'd just get up and go out the door and never come back" lol
and as far as this protein thing goes i don't even know what the fuck i weigh lolNo guarantee but just try 160-180 see if it helps if not then most weight trainers say 1 gram per pond bodyweight minimum.
but i'd say somewhere around a buck 65-70
so i'll shoot for 160-180 grams of protein per day
does that sound bout right mr. n? B?
No guarantee but just try 160-180 see if it helps if not then most weight trainers say 1 gram per pond bodyweight minimum.
I might do an actual competition the following week. If I can drop 4 kilos in 7 days I can enter the classic bodybuilding category. Local guy told me its doable and I would do well. Would rather do physique tbh but I would have to hide my quads under those silly shorts. As far as I know physique conditioning is not as demanding as in bodybuilding which is good since I may be too far for the bbing categories right now imo.Do it man, I mean you already pretty much in shape and you got two weeks. I have never paid a gym membership in my life, I trained at home until winning contests then gym owners let me train free because they knew could bring people in to sign up for memberships.
Reason I'm considering this is there will be some perks like free gym membership...supplements ...personalized training, diet among a few other things.
I might do an actual competition the following week. If I can drop 4 kilos in 7 days I can enter the classic bodybuilding category. Local guy told me its doable and I would do well. Would rather do physique tbh but I would have to hide my quads under those silly shorts. As far as I know physique conditioning is not as demanding as in bodybuilding which is good since I may be too far for the bbing categories right now imo.
Reason I'm considering this is there will be some perks like free gym membership...supplements ...personalized training, diet among a few other things.
this protein thing is driving me fucking nuts!!!Relax man and read this.
Christ! ima gonna find the answer even if it takes me to hell and back!!!!
right now ima gonna google up King Zane's thoughts and recommendations on it
Barracho only thing, I am hearing Kim Jong-un may enter as well, I hear he has some big guns.
lolA genetic trait of Asians, you will never see a Asian with small calves and I bet most never work them either maybe the rice fields walking in moist soil all day which puts more resistance on calves = Ancestory genes. I got a friend with huge calves he never done a calf raise in his life. I had to bust my ass to get mine acceptable to be onstage once I got them up not so difficult to maintain.
Those asians got huge calves. I don't know why but I've seen plenty skinny asian dudes with amazing calves. GENES!
Yeah dj the classic bodybuilding has weight limits for height as it tries to be more proportionate. I was measured with shoes so I probably measured at 180cm or a little under and I'm supposed to weigh no more than 82 k...so I was told.
I'm better at lbs and inches...dude at the gym is helping me with that.
A genetic trait of Asians, you will never see a Asian with small calves and I bet most never work them either maybe the rice fields walking in moist soil all day which puts more resistance on calves = Ancestory genes. I got a friend with huge calves he never done a calf raise in his life. I had to bust my ass to get mine acceptable to be onstage once I got them up not so difficult to maintain.
Or maybe I can't be more than 86 kilos ???
82k is like 180lbs...
Shit I can't remember this stuff in kilos lol
82kg=180
so is this the limit for fellas @ 180 cm?
Pisses me off when I see people who don't even train and got nice full calves :(At the same time most Asians struggle on arms so what does that tell you? Genes rule.
IFBB rules...
http://www.ifbb.com/pdf/Men%27s%20Classic%20Bodybuilding%20Rules%20-%20updated%20July,%202011.pdf
You're probably right if everything grows proportionate. We gotta get you there first and see if you're happy with it.
yep, you're rightDude what you talking about you don't have the structure to be a mass monster. Relax.
i got this crazy fear that i'll grow HUGE over night and that i'll and end up looking like some buttugly toady mass monster with no pretty lines and zero aesthetics with no turning back lol
and yeah, i really do have this fear ::)
after reading more on this protein intake guideline recommendations it looks like i'll try and get 200-225 grams per day
so now i'll have to eat lots more chicken, eggs, and cheese :-X :-X :-X
yep, you're right
i got this crazy fear that i'll grow HUGE over night and that i'll and end up looking like some buttugly toady mass monster with no pretty lines and zero aesthetics with no turning back lol
and yeah, i really do have this fear ::)
after reading more on this protein intake guideline recommendations it looks like i'll try and get 200-225 grams per day
so now i'll have to eat lots more chicken, eggs, and cheese :-X :-X :-X
Dude what you talking about you don't have the structure to be a mass monster. Relax.
lol..yeah like people who come to the gym the first time saying...I don't wanna get toooo big.
Or other people like my little brother....he says "I wanna take something that will make me grow fast". And I say... well there's steroids but you still have to train and eat to grow. He's like what?? that's too much is there something easier and faster? lol
And give it a shot with the higher protein....200 sounds perfect. :)
allright, cool beans
so you gonna come in "as is" or are you gonna do some "tricks of da trade"?
me? well, i'll just come in "as is"
A infrapatellar shot may help in the case of a tie.
Too lazy to do anything ....will most likely be flat too since I still have to diet hard if I'm gonna do this up coming contest.Just use Protan or Clinique in the winter that's what I use and yes sun tanning will age you.
Don't tan anymore either...that shit will age you and give you crocodile skin.
Just use Protan or Clinique in the winter that's what I use and yes sun tanning will age you.
I've also heard of some new peptide ...I'm not sure if it comes in a pill or injection but it will give you a natural tan. Have you heard anything of the like?Yes it is comprised mostly of Melatonin which you can buy in pill form as well with the short time you have though seems you gonna have to "paint" on or get in the sun.
Yes it is comprised mostly of Melatonin which you can buy in pill form as well with the short time you have though seems you gonna have to "paint" on or get in the sun.
Too lazy to do anything ....will most likely be flat too since I still have to diet hard if I'm gonna do this up coming contest.
Don't tan anymore either...that shit will age you and give you crocodile skin.
Cool.Jan Tana products are good as well, Jan held women competitions out of Roanoke Va about two hours here I went once to observe.
I will use the jan tana stuff for the competition. But for the pics for this thing with dj I'll be a little pale since it looks like he's not gonna bother with it either.
speaking of this tanning and aging, i put these 2 pics on this site... http://www.pictriev.com/She looks Czechoslovakian.
and in this 1st one i'm 25 but it put me @ 44 LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
and in the 2nd one i'm 35 but it put me @ 20 DOUBLE LOL!!!!!!!!!!
it also said that my x-girl looked 35 when she was in fact 29 there and it said she matched with many india women ??? ??? ???
and in both pics i got a 100% masculine rating 8) 8) 8) FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
did you try out that pic site mr. n??
I got results similar to dj...deviated quite a bit by pic.
She looks Czechoslovakian.
did you get a 100% masculine rating ;)
did you try out that pic site mr. n??Yea I got 49% :'( but I didnt wash my hair today, I'll try again tomorrow.
I got results similar to dj...deviated quite a bit by pic.
lolWhat's the criteria for this competion you are entering? Do you know any of the judges because see judges are biased if the know someone being a judge before I admit this. So there are two ways know the judges or come in unknown which works too a "shock value".
What's the criteria for this competion you are entering? Do you know any of the judges because see judges are biased if the know someone being a judge before I admit this. So there are two ways know the judges or come in unknown which works too a "shock value".
Yea I got 49% :'( but I didnt wash my hair today, I'll try again tomorrow.
IFBB rules....and I don't know the judges :-\The 7 mandatory poses these are most important the contest is determined in pre-judging, night show helps if people are close but mostly just for the audience. I'll be here to help. Good luck.
I will bug you and njflex for tips via pm as you guys have done this before.
The 7 mandatory poses these are most important the contest is determined in pre-judging, night show helps if people are close but mostly just for the audience. I'll be here to help. Good luck.
Thanks brother!
no problem ma man!
lol
You helped a lot in keeping a strict diet with all the trash talk :D
no problem ma man!WTF man I gave Barracho info on the 7 mandatories and you trying to take credit for it. Go eat some potato chips the diet is getting to you.
WTF man I gave Barracho info on the 7 mandatories and you trying to take credit for it. Go eat some potato chips the diet is getting to you.
relax baby! i'm just trollingMade me laugh :D
and please don't pull yo shotgun on me, or i'll have to spit on your car lol
"Cathy I'm lost I said though I knew she was sleeping, and I'm empty and aching and I don't know why"These two look gay.
sorry dudes, i'm in a bit of a melancholy mood at the moment, but don't worry it will soon pass and then i'll be back to my arrogant self right quick :D :D :D
These two look gay.
I'm going with Boz Scaggs. The dirty lowdown.DAMN GOOD TUNE!!
DAMN GOOD TUNE!!Yes it's all about being smooth and cool. 8)
Yes it's all about being smooth and cool. 8)
no, but i have written some lyrics for some local bands that sometimes play in my area :)
i wrote some lines to a love balled that this band used and they added in some of there own to it as well
i haven't really written a whole song but i've provided some lyrical input which they used to add to thier own lyrics
btw, this lyric drives me fucking nuts...
"darling being close to you made all my dreams come true"
fuck man! i kinda want my girl to say this to me but then i kinda don't coz then the pressure would be too damn much and it would get to me :'( :'( :'(
You love music man I'm surprised you never picked up a guitar, drum kit, piano or something like that.
I used to play in a band back in high school...sung vocals and played rhythm guitar.
You should get into something like that..even writing lyrics is good though...it's like therapy.
word on the streets is that njflex is gonna enter this contestIf NJFlex jumps in and che then 3rd or fourth will be determined.
i just hope that che don't jump in as well
If NJFlex jumps in and che then 3rd or fourth will be determined.
well if che jumps in then it's LIGHTS OUT for everyone elseche won't jump in. You got got to worry about NJ and Barracho.
anyway this contest is about who is leanest not who is the best "bodybuilder"
che won't jump in. You got got to worry about NJ and Barracho.
if they wanna do a men's physique against me in sept/oct then it'll LIGHTS OUT for both of them and maybe even for King Che as well ;)We are not talking sept/oct we are talking about Wednesday. Fuck September seems like you are trying to back out of this which you started.
i FUCKING FINALLY got everything down pat (training, diet, etc), so there basically is no stopping me since my OUTSTANDING STRUCTURE will take me to the TOP 8) 8) 8)
do you know any art physique photographers ;D ;D ;D
We are not talking sept/oct we are talking about Wednesday. Fuck September seems like you are trying to back out of this which you started.
i'm not backing out dummySounds weak man, Barracho is on his game. Pick up the pace.
i'm just saying that i'm not @ even 70% right now, but i'm still pretty damn lean ;)
i'd put me @ sub-7 RIGHT NOW
Sounds weak man, Barracho is on his game. Pick up the pace.
you're the one that's trying to make this a bodybuilding contest not meI don't give a damn, but if leaness is the same what's the tie breaker? Thats why I keep suggesting other bodyparts.
and i'm trying to understand and figure out why you are trying to do so ??? ??? ???
it's only about LEANESS dude, nothing more
not who has the biggest arms or the best physique, so why you trying to put this on it dude?
I don't give a damn, but if leaness is the same what's the tie breaker? Thats why I keep suggesting other bodyparts.
then it's a tie, and that's it, and there is no tie fucking breakerSo if you don't to win then why try? Damn man are you here to win or lose?
it won't be a tie anyway ::)
So if you don't to win then why try? Damn man are you here to win or lose?
winning is secondary as i don't follow that bullshit american brainwash that only winners count, FUCK THAT NOISELooks like you are giving up man.
my thing is to PROVE to you dudes what i can do, and you'll be shocked at what i did in such a short period of time ;) ;) ;)
still same premise we will worry about set/oct later,,,2 man race who's leaner,,but also borracho wants valid opinions on a men physique/bber look as well,,dj asks for same opinion he will be granted as well,,,Yea Borracho is getting on stage, a whole different ballgame than a internet thing. We both have been there so you know.
Yea Borracho is getting on stage, a whole different ballgame than a internet thing. We both have been there so you know.8)....
still same premise we will worry about set/oct later,,,2 man race who's leaner,,but also borracho wants valid opinions on a men physique/bber look as well,,dj asks for same opinion he will be granted as well,,,
We are not talking sept/oct we are talking about Wednesday. Fuck September seems like you are trying to back out of this which you started.
I was gonna take pics today...forgot it was wednesday. ;DLOL at the pic there...
DJ...your post above says you wanna show your natural everyday condition but you talk about putting on some color on ya ;D.
I gotta farmers tan going on right now I don't think you should be too concerned.(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQbqJBgJyFpv4aEnJA8l90qxe5CLHachEKRka11MOgnRQSWHO5u)
i'll take the pics tomorrow afternoon and if my student that's taking the pics sends them to me tomorrow night then i'll send them out to you dudes as soon as i get themWe are waiting. Have you checked the mirror a tape measurement doesn't mean anything.
We are waiting. Have you checked the mirror a tape measurement doesn't mean anything.
do you have abs dj?
No really, do you have any pics?
I haven't seen your abdominal muscles in any of the pics you've posted.
yeah, and i got pretty tight and narrow absAll coffee and cigarettes. :D
in fact they could probably be used in a fat-loss pill advert :)
and you'll be getting a nice split bi shot as well, so be ready chumpo :-*
All coffee and cigarettes. :D
I probably hit 6 before but back when I had no muscle so it didn't look that good.
Right now I don't know...my arms look like 6 but my abs and legs a little higher than that.
Two days left guys sounds like both of you are seem dialed in, I'm hearing that Charlie Sheen has been dropping water and may jump in.
lolYou need to drop water man.
just as long as ma man che don't jump in then it's all good
btw, when i look at myself under the "spotlight" i got a hard grainy look about me but then when i move a bit out of the light into a more "neutral light" i don't look as nearly impressive ??? ??? ???
my pics are taken tomorrow and i was gonna have then in a "neutral light" but maybe i'll take just one under this "spotlight" so you can see my hard dense muscles with veinage running up and down my ab wall :-*
You need to drop water man.
dj ...you seem to be in love with che.
I'm sure he's got a nice build...do you have a link to his pics? ( 50% homo)
;D ;D ;D
i'm sorry man, but i don't know where to find his pics, and he hasn't posted so many as well
he's got outstanding proportions and very small joints
i think he competed @ 170 or so @ 5'9"
and he is a lifetime natty
we sometimes call each other "ma man" so maybe i still got a chance with him ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;DIs this him? 8) Joking.
i'm sorry man, but i don't know where to find his pics, and he hasn't posted so many as well
he's got outstanding proportions and very small joints
i think he competed @ 170 or so @ 5'9"
and he is a lifetime natty
we sometimes call each other "ma man" so maybe i still got a chance with him ;D ;D ;D
^ lolVince has a decent structure but no mass, and decent calves for a black dude most have "high" calves meaning short muscle length. But if you check him overall decent symmetry nothing really overpowers one part or another.
Honest question though....can you critique what you see there.
Curious on your opinions.
see b i wrote 1st neither one of us saw what each other wrote and look almost word for word same theory,,,Thats why we are judges, having judged live contests and the GB thing just experience and you have competed so know the criteria.
Thats why we are judges, having judged live contests and the GB thing just experience and you have competed so know the criteria.
Hey man...I posted in the other thread, I always keep it simple maybe 2200 for dj a day for his size to maintain current leaness. I always do 6 days on lows cals then a cheat day now you can't "blow it out of the water" on cheat days but just have some foods you like. The up and down every 3 or so days is to difficult to keep up with I guess I'm lazy and try to simply things.
The lean gains approach is 20% under maintenance calories on off days and 20% above on training days. Seems people have had good results with that....you don't have to do the fasting thing but having higher cals on training days make sense.
I posted in the other thread, I always keep it simple maybe 2200 for dj a day for his size to maintain current leaness. I always do 6 days on lows cals then a cheat day now you can't "blow it out of the water" on cheat days but just have some foods you like. The up and down every 3 or so days is to difficult to keep up with I guess I'm lazy and try to simply things.
Yeah some approaches require a lot more planning which can become quite a pain. For me, I've stuck to high calories/low carbs and every 4th or 5th day I just add a high carb day. I've been able to minimize fat gain that way.Thats good maybe 5th or 6th day carb up.
once your lean enough it's easier to carb play,you can see in few days/week's time your condition to fall off by just looking in mirror and telling your condition especially abs they get blurred quick...then you could play with simple/complex/choices of carbs oats.rice /wholegrains/starchy veggies to add and subtract...Exactly. Thing I found keep the carbs back at night, maybe some broccoli or green beans but not very many carbs but no starches as in potatoes or pasta.
Exactly. Thing I found keep the carbs back at night, maybe some broccoli or green beans but not very many carbs but no starches as in potatoes or pasta.u be surprised in a pinch salad greens/cucumbers/tomatoes large bowl with just balsamic will do trick.....have to be careful if balsamic which is kinda sweet could trigger sugar rush lol,,,
and as far a the new "diet" goes i'll start it @ 2200 and then adjust from there while having have a cheat meal (not a whole cheat day, but a cheat meal) once every 3-5 dayslisten to mr n,,,,i have good knowledge but we are on same page usually ...u will see with training/eating u'll know when u looking flat even when ur lean to add carbs and your pump and look will change day to day,,,contest bbing which u said is temp thing,,is usually only way to gague water/carb/decarb/carb up look,,u literally swell at prejudging pumping up in back its mindblowing,,,
listen to mr n,,,,i have good knowledge but we are on same page usually ...u will see with training/eating u'll know when u looking flat even when ur lean to add carbs and your pump and look will change day to day,,,contest bbing which u said is temp thing,,is usually only way to gague water/carb/decarb/carb up look,,u literally swell at prejudging pumping up in back its mindblowing,,,
i know all about these temp changes man as i in fact did some photo shoots back in the day ;)its tougher than u think,,,i know and hope u do I think u do,,its tough to stay ripped and grow 1/8 inch bigger arm,leg whateva its not normal.u have to give up a little 'condition'to gain a little'size'if u get to desired build that's different story..
anyways, my point isn't about temporary changes as i'm shifting now from a pure fat-loss phase to a pure muscle gain without fat gain phase, so this process will be happening over months and months and not days or hours
yeah i know that it's all cals in vs cals out but this equation gets a bit more complicated when you want to gain but to gain only muscle and ZERO FAT
allright dudesWTF? Yea just eat one snickers bar a day and a cup of soup then ;D. You cant survive on 2% bodyfat. Quit reading man and just do what your body suggests to do I just told this to Falcon today he has burned up all his carbs mowing and now craving fats why because the body goes to the next source of energy protein being last..
just had the pics taken and you'll be getting them within 3 hours or so
btw, just read this article and it says that it's cool to get to 2% bodyfat and to stay there
here's an excerpt from it... (and this is a SCIENTIFIC article)
Is it safe for them to get down to 2 percent body fat?
Athletes have to take in adequate amounts of protein to maintain muscle mass, and they still have to take in adequate amounts of carbohydrate to maintain optimal training intensities. If they do this properly, they can maintain heavy workout sessions and lose fat without compromising their performance.
So 2 percent would be a safe lower limit if athletes eat right. What sort of diet should they have?
Meat, fish, poultry and dairy are good protein sources. But they also need to take in a fair amount of carbohydrates. When you're training at high intensities, you're burning more carbs. When those stores deplete, your body has to use something elsethis could be fat, but it could be protein. People don't always appreciate how difficult it is to lose fat without losing protein. For athletes to maintain a high level of performance and low body fat, it means they have to a have a really good balance in their diet in order to maintain their health.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=athlete-body-fat
WTF? Yea just eat one snickers bar a day and a cup of soup then ;D. You cant survive on 2% bodyfat. Quit reading man and just do what your body suggests to do I just told this to Falcon today he has burned up all his carbs mowing and now craving fats why because the body goes to the next source of energy protein being last..
I think your point is 2/3 pct u want to achieve maintain is different than b's,mrn.mine if a bbing standard is to be achieved and not for the long haul.Exactly. You cant maintain but a couple of weeks.
well i know that i can hold and maintain 6-7% as i've done it before6-7 can be but going below 5 will be difficult to maintain but you are strong minded so maybe you can. One day left you ready?
but i'm wondering if 4-5% can be held and maintained ???
honestly it wasn't hard maintaining 6-7% and i felt great while doing it
Thats good maybe 5th or 6th day carb up.
Falcon just called me today says he lost around 20 lbs but has no energy graving fats, reason is he started mowing yards because it's spring here. His carbs are being burned due to mowing sugar/fructose is the first thing the body now he is graving fats why because the body goes to the next source of energy carbs, fats protein last when its gets to protein muscle loss occurs. You can only go on low carbs for a few days the the body redirects itself.
its tougher than u think,,,i know and hope u do I think u do,,its tough to stay ripped and grow 1/8 inch bigger arm,leg whateva its not normal.u have to give up a little 'condition'to gain a little'size'if u get to desired build that's different story..
6-7 can be but going below 5 will be difficult to maintain but you are strong minded so maybe you can. One day left you ready?
am i ready :D :D :DOK.
you, nj, and B will have pics in yo e-mails in less than 2 hours brother man ;)
I'll see if I can pics taken today if not first thing tomorrow guys...
well i know that i can hold and maintain 6-7% as i've done it beforeu answered your own question 6/7.. ok 4/5 below is torture...dry mouth,ur cold at times even in warm temps no insulation of fat.in clothes ur small as fuk..i'm not talking pro's there big in tight or kinda loose shirts,,i could go on and on,,,
but i'm wondering if 4-5% can be held and maintained ???
honestly it wasn't hard maintaining 6-7% and i felt great while doing it
u answered your own question 6/7.. ok 4/5 below is torture...dry mouth,ur cold at times even in warm temps no insulation of fat.in clothes ur small as fuk..i'm not talking pro's there big in tight or kinda loose shirts,,i could go on and on,,,Exactly.
btw fellas, when you get my pics please tell me by pm what you think my strength's and weaknesses are and which parts need to be brought up to put me into Zane-like proportions 8)WE ALL WANT ZANE PROPORTIONS LOL....
don't do it here, coz i don't want your opinions influencing each others, give my your own feedback via pm
thanks dudes
WE ALL WANT ZANE PROPORTIONS LOL....
just bought two 2 liters of coke and a gallon of cherry cheesecake ice creamU SHOULD SEE SOME CRAZY VASCULARITY WITH ADDED SUGAR/FAT...
seeing as i can basically add bout 600 cals back into ma "diet" i'll make those 600 cals consist of coca-cola and cherry ice cream ;D ;D ;D
U SHOULD SEE SOME CRAZY VASCULARITY WITH ADDED SUGAR/FAT...
just bought two 2 liters of coke and a gallon of cherry cheesecake ice creamThis sounds good maybe I need to go to the store.
seeing as i can basically add bout 600 cals back into ma "diet" i'll make those 600 cals consist of coca-cola and cherry ice cream ;D ;D ;D
This sounds good maybe I need to go to the store.
lol1800 seems ok if you can handle it I say you can go to 2000 being lean as you are metabolism gets faster, be careful on the burger and fries they can be addicting.
i've decided to have an 1800 cal base with 160 pro gram base and then on certain days i can have a burger and fries or a small pizza and still be safe ;)
1800 seems ok if you can handle it I say you can go to 2000 being lean as you are metabolism gets faster, be careful on the burger and fries they can be addicting.
actually the sweets are worse coz the make me hungryThis is the same thing Falcon asked today. He is craving fats because he is mowing yards now burning carbs up then the body turns to fats for energy once fats get low you crave them hence the burger and fries do the trick.
burgers and fries satisfy me and don't stimulate my appetite like sweets do
i shouldn't have bought this fucking ice cream, but that's ok coz i'll finish it off tomorrow and then not buy it again FUCK DAT NOISE >:( >:( >:(
but what i'm saying is that fats satisfy me and i don't have to eat anymorefats are 9 grams per calorie, carbs are 4 what does that say? When you eat fats you don't get hungry as quickly. Example my dad used to say "if I eat a apple then I want to eat everything in the house" apple is fructose ie sugar eating sugar just makes you want more.
but sweets make me hungry
btw, i don't really crave things, as that's for weak-minded individuals ;)
yes i know this about the calorie content of macros dude ;)Exactly what I am saying, the body burns sugar faster than fat so you get hungry faster than eating fats which take longer to burn.
so let me put it this way...
if i eat 1000 cals from cheesebruger and fries i stay not hungry for a damn long time
and if i eat 1000 cals from cola and chocolates i get hungry again in an hour or 2
so both meals have 1000 cals and ARE EQUAL IN CAL CONTENT
but.... the sugar meal makes me hungry again quickly, while the fat meal makes me not hungry for long time
your show is this saturday or next saturday?
This one coming up.
Extreme conditioning is actually frowned upon in physique so maybe a little color and water manipulation....
color makes a huge difference IMOI thought you were black, damn now I got to redirect.
now you know why i always wished that i was a black man 8)
color makes a huge difference IMO
now you know why i always wished that i was a black man 8)
all pics viewed sent borracho my critique and hopefully dj got mine redirected ,,if not fuk i have a lot of typing to do,,then mr n and i will determine winner or fair outcome after we reconvine sp?via pm...great job tho both very well done and thought out and effort was made,,,
so you're making this a bodybuilding/body part contest, right?
so what about the ORIGINAL REASON for this contest?
ie. WHO IS THE FUCKING LEANEST? :D :D :D
Now I'm thinking I shoulda put some color on at least ;D
what about who is leanest ;)Thats what it's about but you only compare leaness in different poses.
what about who is leanest ;)IT WILL BE ADRESSED I TOLD BORRACHO AND MRN SCALE I USED IT WAS CLOSE,,,ILL SEND U REVAMPED CRITIQUE...
Thats what it's about but you only compare leaness in different poses.
15 can compare it with only 1 front relaxed shot ;DOk then if thats all you want, you two have to agree before we judge. I sent the poses so send us a list back if you don't agree, Barracho has to agree as well.
Ok then if thats all you want, you two have to agree before we judge. I sent the poses so send us a list back if you don't agree, Barracho has to agree as well.
relax homieSo do you agree to the pose list? I am relaxed all the time dawg.
it's only a joke
but it would be kinda funny to get 15's input lol
I'm cool with whatever you want mr n.The pics are ok better lighting not required.
I could even go take more shots under better lighting if needed ;D
fuck!!!!!!!!!
just give us the goddamn verdict >:( >:( >:(
Question for mr. n and njflex...how do you guys train when the contest is just days away?For me I continue heavy to save muscle mass, just drop cals and water.
Go light...full body...or just how you normally would?
For me I continue heavy to save muscle mass, just drop cals and water.
hey.... take it easy!! >:(
;D
nice tune!
agreedche don't post very much, a aloof guy he is, mostly posts about boxing.
and this tune makes me think of ma man che
i can just picture him in da club wearing some coolass fedor hat strutting around all confident and c0ck-sure of himself driving the ladies nuts 8)
che don't post very much, a aloof guy he is, mostly posts about boxing.
Barracho:Thanks Parker, so 79 Barracho and 45 dj181.
Quads-8
Calves-8
Abs-8
Side triceps-8
Side abs-7
Chest-6
Delts-7
Front overall-7
Back double bi-7
Dj
Side delt-8 (overpowering rear and front delts)
Chest-7
Abs-6
Arms-7
Legs/quads-6
Calves-7
Back double biceps--6
Front overall--6
???Probably 7- 8
ok, so let's make this easier
what is B and my BODYFAT PERCENTAGE ??? 8% 12% 6% 5% etc?
again this is saying who as the better bodyparts, but it DOES NOT SAY WHO HAS THE LEAST BODYFAT ??? ??? ???
CHEST.. BORRACHO .8,, NEEDS SOME UPPER DJ. 6,, NEEDS MORE OVERALL THICKNESS THERE ..Agreed.
DELTS.. BORRACHO .8.GOOD OVERALL THERE ,,DJ..8 STRONG BODYPART HAD VEINS AND WERE HARD LOOKING..
BACK.. BORRACHO 7 NEEDS LAT WIDTH AND LOWER..DJ 6 ,,AGAIN HARD THERE DJ BUT NEEDS MORE MASS
BI'S.. BORRACHO 8..BOTH ARE GOOD HERE .............DJ 8 HARD AND HAD SPLIT THERE
TRIS.. BORRACHO 8 GOOD SSIZE AND SEPERATION ..DJ 7 HARD /LEAN NEED SOME SIZE THICKNESS
QUADS.. BORRACHO 9 NICE WHEELS SEPERATION ...DJ 6 NEED SIZE I THINK OVERALL HE HAS NO INTENTION BUT AGAIN DIETED AND HARD/SPERATED HAMS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT HERE TOO DJ NEEDS MUCH WORK HERE SOME DBELL STIFF LEGGED WITH WHAT HE DOES AT HOME.
CALVES.. BORRACHO 8 ,,GOOD CALF...............DJ 6....SUPRISING ..HARD WITH DECENT SHAPE ..HIGH INSERTION NEED MORE CALF RAISE HEAVY/REPS TO FILL...
TRAPS.. BORRACHO 6 NEED SOME HEIGHT FILL THERE....DJ 5 ,,,NEED SOME HEAVY SHRUGS WON'T HURT THE 'IDEAL'HE TRYING FOR NEED TO BALANCE THE DELTS..TRAPS MEAN STRONG POWER LOOK IN SHIRT...
ABS ,,,BORRACHO 8 AND GOOD SHAPE ,,DEEP SET NEED TO BE HARDER FOR SHOW...DJ 6 ,,,SHALLOW FROM PICS NEED TO BRING THEM OUT MORE COULD BE MIX DIET/TRAINING THEM ..LEAN ENOUGH IN BODY TO POP SUPRISED HERE..
OVERALL GOOD JOB TO BOTH ON CONTEST ..I'M NOT COMPARING MUSCLE,STRUCTURE,BALANCE HERE CAUSE THEN IT WOULD CHANGE DJ'S PERCEPTION OF THE CONTEST,,ALL CONSIDERING ON LEANESS LEVEL 1-10 DJ SCORES AN 8 OVERALL.. JUST WITH THE AMOUNT OF MUSCLE HE HAD AND CONDITION HE PRESENTED WHITH... BORRACHO WHO OUTMASSES HIM STANDS AS BETTER OVER BUILD/SHAPE/...
???
ok, so let's make this easier
what is B and my BODYFAT PERCENTAGE ??? 8% 12% 6% 5% etc?
again this is saying who as the better bodyparts, but it DOES NOT SAY WHO HAS THE LEAST BODYFAT ??? ??? ???
ok, so what % bodyfat am i at?Around that, I say between 6 and 7.
i say 6%
U PRESENTED A LEAN BUILD,,WHAT U DID WAS A TOTAL REBOOT FROM LAST PICS WHICH WERE NOT FAVORABLE,I'D SAY U ARE 6-8 DEPENDING ON ACCURACY AND BORRACHO CLOSING ON 8 OR HIGH END 9
Please God, will this thread ever end?LOL....
Please God, will this thread ever end?I was thinking it would today after final judging.
kick ass on sat B 8)
"My road to Zane" thread will be a dead end. Take the "Ain't Gonna Happen Express Way" thread instead. Same results, but you'll arrive quicker at no where land.
"My road to Zane" thread will be a dead end. Take the "Ain't Gonna Happen Express Way" thread instead. Same results, but you'll arrive quicker at no where land.So what are you trying to say here? I am confused.
Are you going to bulk up again dj? I am eating lasgana right now.LOL,,,
Are you going to bulk up again dj? I am eating lasgana right now.
fuck no!I thought you said sept or something before you get there.
i'm sitting @ 6% now but i'm gonna take it down to 4% in less than 2 weeks time ;)
pics will be coming around the end of the month 8)
and da word round town is dat B is down to 1200 cals per day
I thought you said sept or something before you get there.WANTS THE BRASS RING...
I thought you said sept or something before you get there.