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Re: Liberal Violence and Fascism
« Reply #1025 on: April 16, 2024, 02:02:58 PM »
Yes, there is crazy talk going on all sides. This is crazy! But it is not an exception based on other elections, including Presidential elections.

Ah the standard "both sides do it" response whenever someone on the left is confronted with unquestionably bad or looney behavior.  The Trump is Hitler talk is embraced by numerous people on the left.  And it is absolutely ridiculous. 

Not sure what exceptions you are talking about, but the things being done to Trump are unprecedented. 

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Re: Liberal Violence and Fascism
« Reply #1026 on: April 16, 2024, 02:19:12 PM »
Ah the standard "both sides do it" response whenever someone on the left is confronted with unquestionably bad or looney behavior.  The Trump is Hitler talk is embraced by numerous people on the left.  And it is absolutely ridiculous. 

Not sure what exceptions you are talking about, but the things being done to Trump are unprecedented.

One side trashing the other in an election is not exceptional. The looney-tunes fellow you spoke with who likens Trump to Hitler does not stand for most folks who oppose Trump. People from the left and from the right or who support Trump or don't support him say crazy things. So yes, it is the both sides do it standard talk. That is just the way it is, unfortunately. Why would it be any different now than during other elections?

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Re: Liberal Violence and Fascism
« Reply #1027 on: April 16, 2024, 02:25:27 PM »
One side trashing the other in an election is not exceptional. The looney-tunes fellow you spoke with who likens Trump to Hitler does not stand for most folks who oppose Trump. People from the left and from the right or who support Trump or don't support him say crazy things. So yes, it is the both sides do it standard talk. That is just the way it is, unfortunately. Why would it be any different now than during other elections?

This isn't just trashing Trump.  It's comparing him to a genocidal dictator.  And it's not just fringe people making the comparison.  It ranges from the average voter to people in media.  The vitriol and hate directed to Trump is on a level I have never seen.  People have lost their minds over this man. 

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Re: Liberal Violence and Fascism
« Reply #1028 on: April 16, 2024, 07:15:31 PM »
One side trashing the other in an election is not exceptional. The looney-tunes fellow you spoke with who likens Trump to Hitler does not stand for most folks who oppose Trump. People from the left and from the right or who support Trump or don't support him say crazy things. So yes, it is the both sides do it standard talk. That is just the way it is, unfortunately. Why would it be any different now than during other elections?


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Re: Liberal Violence and Fascism
« Reply #1029 on: April 19, 2024, 01:22:58 AM »
Spot on.

"This case is an abomination," Barr said during "America's Newsroom" on Wednesday. "It's obviously political. Seven years after he pays hush money to try to come up with this case. It's also, as you say, it's not only far-fetched… they're trying to predicate it on a federal crime which wasn't prosecuted."

"And they're wrong about it. This was not a campaign contribution. They're just wrong on the law," he continued. "But to me, this shows that the real threat to liberty, the real threat to our system, are the excesses of the progressive left… They're perverting the system of justice, and… that's where the danger lies. The corruption and subversion of our institutions by the left."

Former AG Barr rips 'political' Trump hush money case, says 'real threat' to democracy is progressive left
Barr called NYC case an 'abomination' on 'America's Newsroom,' says he'll back Republicans in 2024
By Bailee Hill Fox News
Published April 17, 2024
https://www.foxnews.com/media/former-ag-barr-rips-political-trump-hush-money-case-says-real-threat-democracy-progressive-left

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Re: Liberal Violence and Fascism
« Reply #1030 on: April 22, 2024, 02:05:22 PM »
The next step is to have people openly calling for his assassination. 

House Democrats have introduced a bill that would strip Secret Service protection from convicted felons sentenced to prison, a move directly targeting former President Trump who is currently on criminal trial in New York City for alleged hush money payments made during the 2016 election campaign and faces several other cases which could land him behind bars.

Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., the former chair of the now disbanded Jan. 6 congressional committee, introduced legislation that would automatically nix Secret Service protection for those who have been convicted of a federal or state felony that carries a minimum one-year prison term.

The proposed bill is provocatively called the "Denying Infinite Security and Government Resources Allocated toward Convicted and Extremely Dishonorable (DISGRACED) Former Protectees Act.

Unfortunately, current law doesn’t anticipate how Secret Service protection would impact the felony prison sentence of a protectee—even a former President," Thompson said in a statement.

"It is regrettable that it has come to this, but this previously unthought-of scenario could become our reality."

A so-called "fact sheet" accompanying Thompson’s statement notes that Trump is facing an "unprecedented 91 felony charges in federal and state courts" which have "created a new exigency that Congress must address to ensure Secret Service protection does not interfere with the criminal judicial process and the administration of justice."

The one-page document also states that the bill would apply to former President Trump should he be convicted of a felony, as well as to all Secret Service protectees convicted and sentenced under felony charges.

It notes that current law does not contemplate how Secret Service security would be administered to a protectee serving jail time and it therefore may pose logistical difficulties for both the Secret Service and prison authorities.

The proposed bill, Thompson says, would avoid such complications with incarcerating former President Trump should he be ordered to serve jail time.

"Therefore, it is necessary for us to be prepared and update the law so the American people can be assured that protective status does not translate into special treatment—and that those who are sentenced to prison will indeed serve the time required of them," Thompson said.

It would also address suggestions that any potential conviction of Trump would likely result in some form of home confinement rather than prison time, given his Secret Service protection.

This bill would remove the potential for conflicting lines of authority within prisons and allow judges to weigh the sentencing of individuals without having to factor in the logistical concerns of convicts with Secret Service protection," the document states. 


Secret Service protection is afforded to current presidents and their family members as well as former presidents and other high level officials. Protection was expanded to major party presidential nominees following the assassination of Senator Robert F. Kennedy in 1968, although his son has not been provided with Secret Service protection for his 2024 independent run.

As well as the hush money trial, Trump is charged in Georgia with trying to overturn the 2020 election in a racketeering case. He also has upcoming trials in Florida over his alleged hoarding of classified White House documents and in Washington D.C., where he is accused of conspiring to overturn the results of his election loss.

He has pleaded not guilty to all charges.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/democrats-look-strip-secret-service-protection-trump-convicted

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Re: Liberal Violence and Fascism
« Reply #1031 on: April 22, 2024, 03:31:03 PM »
Jonathan Turley left in ‘utter disbelief’ over DA’s case against Trump

Fox News contributor and legal expert Jonathan Turley said former President Donald Trump’s trial in Manhattan over allegedly falsifying business records has left him “in utter disbelief.”

“What is clear, is in this case, Trump is right. I mean, this is an embarrassment. I mean, the fact that we are actually talking about this case being presented in a New York courtroom, leaves me in utter disbelief. I mean, the the arguments today did in fact capture all the problems here,” Turley said Monday afternoon on Fox News.

"You had this misdemeanor under state law, that had run out, this is going back to relate it to the 2016 election. And they zapped it back into life by alleging that there was a campaign finance violation under the federal laws that doesn't exist," he said.

Turley was reacting to the trial Monday, which has officially kicked off in earnest after jury selection last week, as well as a recent poll finding 31% of Americans find Trump’s behavior at the crux of the case unethical, but not illegal. While an additional 14% said there was “nothing wrong” with Trump’s actions, and 35% who said his actions were “illegal.”

“This case should not have been brought , and if it were brought, there was no reason to have this right before the election in my view. But this is becoming the split screen election,” Turley said. “Earlier it was pretty damaging to see the split screen between Trump in different courtrooms. This is even more effective when the other side of the screen shows Biden campaigning in key states like Pennsylvania, while he's held in this courtroom."

“It really brings home something that bothers a lot of Americans, including people don't particularly like Trump, that this is the weaponization of the criminal legal system. It's something we should all be able to condemn."

Court wrapped up around 12:30 on Monday, earlier than initially anticipated, after a juror experiencing a toothache required a dental appointment.

Posted by Emma Colton

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/april-22-trump-hush-money-trial-opening-statements

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Re: Liberal Violence and Fascism
« Reply #1032 on: April 23, 2024, 01:57:41 PM »
Charge him with a non-crime.  Try and prevent him from talking about it. 

Trump prosecution wants these 10 posts removed
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https://www.aol.com/trump-prosecution-wants-10-posts-174125818.html

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Re: Liberal Violence and Fascism
« Reply #1033 on: April 23, 2024, 01:59:51 PM »
Groupthink chorus emerges at Trump trial
By Byron York
April 23, 2024
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/daily-memo/2975683/groupthink-chorus-emerges-trump-trial/

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Re: Liberal Violence and Fascism
« Reply #1034 on: April 23, 2024, 10:42:57 PM »
One of the prosecutors leading the ridiculous New York prosecution against Trump is a former Biden operative.  He left the DOJ to help prosecute Trump.  Another example of Biden using lawfare to target his chief political opponent. 

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Who is Matthew Colangelo?

When Bragg appointed Colangelo in December, CNN simply reported he was "a senior official in the US Justice Department and before that served as an attorney on the Trump Foundation investigation with the New York attorney general’s office."

But CNN failed to report Colangelo is a lifelong leftwing activist (including NAACP lawyer for 7 years) and senior Democrat political appointee for nearly 15 years:

- currently appointed to made-up position in Soros-backed Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg's office (to get Trump; first indictment ever of a former president; bogus, trumped-up charges previously declined by prior Manhattan DA, US Attorney, FEC, and Bragg himself)

- acting #3 in Biden Justice Department (then as #2 to radical #3 Vanita Gupta, when Biden and Garland appointed her; leader in politicizing and weaponizing Biden DOJ, including prosecuting Christians praying outside of abortion clinics while giving amnesty to abortion-industry activists terrorizing Catholic Churches, crisis-pregnancy centers, and Supreme Court justices and families in homes)

- senior lawyer for disgraced Democrat New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman (including his Executive Deputy Attorney General for Social Justice) (to get Trump) (Bragg served as chief deputy attorney general when Colangelo brought dozens of lawsuits against Trump administration and led investigations into Trump Foundation and Trump's finances)

- senior White House economic advisor to President Obama

- top aide to Obama Labor Secretary (and future DNC chair) Tom Perez

- top lawyer to Obama DOJ Civil Rights Division head Tom Perez

Colangelo has never served as a line  prosecutor or defense attorney.

He is simply a senior Democrat operative, brought in by Bragg to get Trump.

https://twitter.com/mrddmia/status/1642636852510457856

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Re: Liberal Violence and Fascism
« Reply #1035 on: April 24, 2024, 04:41:44 PM »
Alvin Bragg has his Trump trial, All he Needs Now is a Crime
April 24, 2024
https://jonathanturley.org/2024/04/24/alvin-bragg-has-his-trump-trial-all-he-needs-now-is-a-crime/

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Re: Liberal Violence and Fascism
« Reply #1036 on: April 24, 2024, 05:39:38 PM »

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Re: Liberal Violence and Fascism
« Reply #1037 on: April 24, 2024, 05:43:31 PM »
Shoot, ready, aim!  ::)
They support this type of reaction when it comes to Trump, not so much when it comes to certain criminals.
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Re: Liberal Violence and Fascism
« Reply #1038 on: April 24, 2024, 05:56:58 PM »
How in the world is this happening??

‘Trial By Ambush’: Former Federal Prosecutors Say Alvin Bragg’s Strategy Is Unlike Anything They’ve Seen Before
KATELYNN RICHARDSON
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April 24, 2024

When defendants go on trial, the allegations against them are generally clear. Not so with former President Donald Trump and his “hush money” case.

Prosecutors in Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s office offered new transparency not only to the public, but seemingly also Trump’s defense attorneys on Tuesday when, one year after indicting the former president, they finally pulled back the curtain to reveal the motivating crime in their case: a violation of state election law. Former federal prosecutors told the Daily Caller News Foundation Bragg’s lack of clarity is unfair to the defense, who can’t prepare to argue against a charge they don’t know, and unlike what they’ve seen before.

“I don’t recall ever having a trial where the defense didn’t know what the government was trying to prove,” former federal prosecutor Jonathan Fahey told the DCNF, likening Bragg’s approach to a “trial by ambush.” (RELATED: Prosecutor Finally Reveals Key Details Of ‘Crime’ Alleged In Alvin Bragg’s Indictment Of Trump)

Bragg’s indictment last April charged Trump with 34 felony counts of falsifying business records allegedly related to a $130,000 paid to keep porn star Stormy Daniels from telling her story of an alleged affair ahead of the election. To charge the eight-year old misdemeanor offenses as a felony, he argued it was done to commit or conceal another crime — presumably, a federal campaign-finance violation. But he never specified.

That is, until Tuesday, when it came out after defense attorneys objected to prosecutor Joshua Steinglass’ line of questioning that they were claiming Trump violated New York Election Law § 17-152. The statute makes it a misdemeanor for any two or more people to “conspire” to influence an election using “unlawful means.”

During opening statements Monday, Matthew Colangelo, senior counsel for the district attorney and a former top official in the Biden Department of Justice, argued that the records Trump allegedly falsified in relation to Daniels’ payment are part of a broader “conspiracy” to influence the 2016 election involving Trump, his former attorney Michael Cohen and former National Enquirer publisher David Pecker.

Prosecutors are seeking to demonstrate that conspiracy — which they clarified is rooted in the election statute, though it is not named in the indictment — through witness testimony.

Former President Donald Trump's Hush Money Trial Continues In New York
NEW YORK, NEW YORK – APRIL 23: Former U.S. President Donald Trump returns to the courtroom after a recess in his criminal trial for allegedly covering up hush money payments at Manhattan Criminal Court on April 23, 2024 in New York City. (Photo by Yuki Iwamura-Pool/Getty Images)

Former federal prosecutor Andrew Cherkasky said the theory put forward by Bragg under the statute is “bizarre.”

“The misdemeanor statute of limitations is expired on this offense, just as it is expired on the underlying offense, raising a significant legal question about the propriety of this approach,” he told the DCNF.

“One of the biggest issues in this case is that the prosecution has essentially withheld this theory until trial has started,” Cherkasky continued. “The defense has complained about this the entire time, but the judge has refused to require identification of the felony escalator at an earlier stage. This amounts to another form of ‘trial by fire,” which is not how the American criminal justice system is supposed to work.

John Malcolm, vice president for the Heritage Foundation’s Institute for Constitutional Government and former deputy assistant attorney general in the DOJ’s Criminal Division, said there are three things about the revelation that “amaze” him as a former prosecutor.

“First, that Alvin Bragg’s office did not provide advanced notice of the precise allegations in order to enable former President Trump’s legal team to prepare an adequate defense,” he said. “Second, that the statutory code section cited by the lead prosecutor (New York Penal Code Section 17-152) prohibits a conspiracy ‘to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means …,’ but Bragg has still not divulged what those ‘unlawful means’ were.”

“And third, and most shockingly, that penal code section is a misdemeanor, which means that Alvin Bragg is claiming that committing a misdemeanor (making a false business entry) in order to conceal the commission of another misdemeanor (conspiring to promote someone’s candidacy in an unlawful manner) can – like magic – be converted into 34 felony offenses,” he continued.

Fahey told the DCNF that everything about the case “stinks to high heaven.”

“If this was anyone other than Donald Trump, this would be laughed out of court,” he said.

https://dailycaller.com/2024/04/24/alvin-bragg-trial-strategy-trump-crime/?pnespid=sr1jUXVab60E2_vNqT67GMyWsUn3BIMpMPWinPY3qwxm2dxu.W1dPBx80sGN8LRvVMUL4drxrA