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Jan 6 update
« on: December 13, 2021, 08:52:05 PM »


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Re: Jan 6 update
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2021, 12:17:18 PM »

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Re: Jan 6 update
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2021, 12:36:12 PM »
Mark Meadows is a fucking idiot

First and foremost - the senior citizen in Florida has no means to claim "executive privilege" since he is not the POTUS
Second, Meadows has already turned over a slew of documents including the text messages shown below
Third - Meadows has written a book so kind of hard to claim any privilege

What he should do is request immunity (if he's concerned that he's a committed a crime) and go in an tell the fucking truth about everything he knows and answer all questions



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We are here to address a very serious matter, contempt of Congress by a former Chief of Staff to a former President of the United States. We do not do this lightly. And indeed, we had hoped not to take this step at all. For weeks, we worked with Mr. Meadows' counsel to reach an agreement on cooperation. But shortly before his scheduled deposition, Mr. Meadows walked away from his commitment to appear, and informed us he would no longer cooperate. We believe Mr. Meadows is improperly asserting executive and other privileges. But this vote on contempt today relates principally to Mr. Meadows' refusal to testify about text messages and other communications that he admits are not privileged. He has not claimed, and does not have any privilege bases to refuse entirely to testify regarding these topics. Let me give just three examples:

First, President Trump's failure to stop the violence. On January 6th, our Capitol building was attacked and invaded. The mob was summoned to Washington by President Trump. And, as many of those involved have admitted – on videotape, in social media, and in Federal District Court – they were provoked to violence by President Trump's false claims that the election was stolen.

The violence was evident to all – it was covered in real time by almost every news channel. But, for 187 minutes, President Trump refused to act when action by our President was required, indeed essential, and compelled by his oath to our Constitution. Mr. Meadows received numerous text messages, which he has produced without any privilege claim – imploring that Mr. Trump take the specific action we all knew his duty required.

These texts leave no doubt: the White House knew exactly what was happening at the Capitol. Republican members of Congress and others wrote to Mark Meadows as the attack was underway:

-"Hey, Mark, protestors are literally storming the Capitol. Breaking windows on doors. Rushing in. Is Trump going to say something?"

-"We are under siege up here at the Capitol."

-"They have breached the Capitol."

-"There's an armed standoff at the House Chamber door."

-"We are all helpless."

Dozens of texts, including from Trump administration officials, urged immediate action by the President:

-"POTUS has to come out firmly and tell protestors to dissipate. Someone is going to get killed"

-"Mark, he needs to stop this. Now"

-"TELL THEM TO GO HOME"

-"POTUS needs to calm this s*** down."

Indeed, according to the records, multiple Fox News hosts knew the President needed to act immediately. They texted Meadows that:

-"Hey Mark, the president needs to tell people in the Capitol to go home...this is hurting all of us...he is destroying his legacy." Laura Ingraham wrote.

-"Please get him on tv. Destroying everything you have accomplished." Brian Kilmeade wrote.

-"Can he make a statement?...Ask people to leave the Capitol." Sean Hannity urged.

As the violence continued, one of the President's sons texted Meadows:

"He's got to condemn this s*** Asap. The Capitol Police tweet is not enough." Donald Trump, Jr. texted.

Meadows responded: "I'm pushing it hard. I agree."

Still, President Trump did not immediately act.

Donald Trump, Jr. texted again and again, urging action by the President:

"We need an Oval address. He has to lead now. It has gone too far and gotten out of hand."

But hours passed without the necessary action by the President.

These non-privileged texts are further evidence of President Trump's supreme dereliction of duty during those 187 minutes. And Mr. Meadows testimony will bear on another key question before this Committee: Did Donald Trump, through action or inaction, corruptly seek to obstruct or impede Congress's official proceeding to count electoral votes? Mark Meadows testimony will inform our legislative judgments.

Yet he has refused to give any testimony at all – even regarding non-privileged topics. He is in contempt of Congress.

Second, Mr. Meadows also has knowledge regarding President Trump's efforts to persuade state officials to alter their official election results. In Georgia, for instance, Mr. Meadows participated in a phone call between President Trump and Georgia Secretary of State Raffensperger. Meadows was on the phone when President Trump asked the Secretary of State to quote "find 11, 780 votes" to change the result of the presidential election in Georgia. At the time of the call, Mr. Meadows appears to have been texting other participants on the call. Again, Mr. Meadows has no conceivable privilege basis to refuse to testify on this topic. He is in contempt of Congress.

Third, in the weeks before January 6th, President Trump's appointees at the Justice Department informed him repeatedly that the President's claims of election fraud were not supported by the evidence, and that the election was not, in fact, stolen. President Trump intended to appoint Jeffrey Clark as Attorney General, in part so that Mr. Clark could alter the Department of Justice's conclusions regarding the election. Mr. Clark has now informed the Committee that he anticipates potential criminal prosecution related to these matters and intends in upcoming testimony to invoke his 5th Amendment Privilege against self-incrimination. As Mr. Meadows non-privileged texts reveal, Meadows communicated multiple times with a member of Congress who was working with Clark. Mr. Meadows has no basis to refuse to testify regarding those communications. He is in contempt.

Conclusion: January 6th was without precedent. There has been no stronger case in our nation's history for a congressional investigation into the actions of a former president. This investigation is not like other congressional inquiries. Our Constitution, the structure of our institutions and the rule of law – which are at the heart of what makes America great — are at stake. We cannot be satisfied with incomplete answers, or half-truths; and we cannot surrender to President Trump's efforts to hide what happened. We will be persistent, professional and non-partisan. We must get to the objective truth and ensure that January 6th never happens again.

https://www.npr.org/2021/12/13/1063955835/rep-liz-cheney-read-text-messages-she-said-mark-meadows-got-during-the-jan-6-sie

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Re: Jan 6 update
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2021, 01:12:55 PM »


lol...didn't read the article, did you?

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Re: Jan 6 update
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2021, 01:27:41 PM »
The 700+ idiots that are sitting in jail and/or going to prison might not think so.

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Re: Jan 6 update
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2021, 01:29:58 PM »
Poor Trumpy just doesn't get it.

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 Trump’s Biggest Issue With Jan. 6 Is That Nobody Is Talking About His Rally’s Crowd Size

“I have never spoken in front of a crowd that size,” the former president told Nigel Farage. “Nobody ever talks about that.”
“It was a massive rally, with hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people. I think it was the largest crowd I’ve even spoken in front of before,” Trump told British conservative Nigel Farage in an interview broadcast on Wednesday, adding (falsely) that the real insurrection took place on Election Day.
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Re: Jan 6 update
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2021, 01:31:14 PM »
Poor Trumpy just doesn't get it.

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 Trump’s Biggest Issue With Jan. 6 Is That Nobody Is Talking About His Rally’s Crowd Size

“I have never spoken in front of a crowd that size,” the former president told Nigel Farage. “Nobody ever talks about that.”
“It was a massive rally, with hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people. I think it was the largest crowd I’ve even spoken in front of before,” Trump told British conservative Nigel Farage in an interview broadcast on Wednesday, adding (falsely) that the real insurrection took place on Election Day.
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Re: Jan 6 update
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2021, 01:32:10 PM »
The 700+ idiots that are sitting in jail and/or going to prison might not think so.

lol…that narrative is falling apart as well. Political prisoners

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Re: Jan 6 update
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2021, 01:37:00 PM »
The Jan. 6 House committee acknowledged that it doctored a text message between former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows and Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), which excluded content about how they wanted former Vice President Mike Pence to handle electoral votes during the Joint Session of Congress earlier this year.

On Monday evening, Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), the head of the House Intelligence Committee, showed a graphic during a hearing on newly found communications between top Trump administration officials and others. It was displayed as the committee was discussing whether or not to hold Meadows in contempt of Congress for refusing to hand over information related to the probe.

The Select Committee on Monday created and provided Representative Schiff a graphic to use during the business meeting quoting from a text message from ‘a lawmaker’ to Mr. Meadows,” the spokesman told The Epoch Times on Wednesday. “The graphic read, ‘On January 6, 2021, Vice President Mike Pence, as President of the Senate, should call out all electoral votes that he believes are unconstitutional as no electoral votes at all.’”

“In the graphic, the period at the end of that sentence was added inadvertently,” the spokesman also confirmed, without elaborating on how the error was introduced. “The Select Committee is responsible for and regrets the error.”

The message dealt with a short summary of a legal briefing that Jordan forwarded from former Department of Defense Inspector General Joseph Schmitz to Meadows on Jan. 5, a day before Congress convened to count the votes in the presidential election. During the hearing, Schiff appeared to incorrectly attribute Schmitz’s message to a Republican “lawmaker.”

On January 6, 2021, Vice President Mike Pence, as President of the Senate, should call out all the electoral votes that he believes are unconstitutional as no electoral votes at all—in accordance with guidance from founding father Alexander Hamilton and judicial precedence,” Schmitz’s text read, in part.

The text continued to say, “‘No legislative act,’ wrote Alexander Hamilton in Federalist No. 78, ‘contrary to the Constitution, can be valid.’ The court in Hubbard v. Lowe reinforced this truth: ‘That an unconstitutional statute is not a law at all is a proposition no longer open to discussion.’ 226 F. 135, 137 (SDNY 1915), appeal dismissed, 242 U.S. 654 (1916).”

Jordan’s office and Schiff’s office have not responded to The Epoch Times’ request for comment.

Following the Federalist’s reporting, several Republican lawmakers rushed to criticize Schiff.

Expect a lot more of this. Schiff and the contemptible Jan6 committee will twist and smear the narrative every chance they get,” wrote Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.) on Twitter Wednesday. Added Rep. Dan Bishop (R-N.C.), Schiff is the “Jussie Smollet of Congress,” referring to the former “Empire” actor who was convicted of concocting a hate crime hoax earlier this month.


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Re: Jan 6 update
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2021, 03:22:00 PM »
Awwwww…look who showed up with Strawman. How cute


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Re: Jan 6 update
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2021, 03:23:03 PM »
lol…that narrative is falling apart as well. Political prisoners

Pretty sure the jail times that keep getting handed down says otherwise. 

But facts aren’t your strongest suit.

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Re: Jan 6 update
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2021, 03:29:51 PM »
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/12/15/confirmed-january-6-committee-admits-it-doctored-republican-text-message-in-adam-schiff-presentation/

BFD - makes no difference

BTW - Faux News and Breitbart have done this same thing intentionally many times and they never acknowledge it

BTW2 - Jim Jordan is human scum

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Re: Jan 6 update
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2021, 04:20:29 PM »
BFD - makes no difference

BTW - Faux News and Breitbart have done this same thing intentionally many times and they never acknowledge it

BTW2 - Jim Jordan is human scum

Follow the links inside as well, Karl. Marxists are known liars and get outed every time

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Re: Jan 6 update
« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2021, 04:23:03 PM »
Pretty sure the jail times that keep getting handed down says otherwise. 

But facts aren’t your strongest suit.

Despite if it’s legal or not, right? 600 arrests for mostly trespassing and not a single one for “insurrection” and now we’re finding out this was planned by the left with the help of others. Lololol

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Re: Jan 6 update
« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2021, 05:06:01 PM »
Follow the links inside as well, Karl. Marxists are known liars and get outed every time

Makes no difference dumbass


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It's probably a waste of time to point out that a) as much as we all love the Federalist Papers, they were a series of newspaper columns with the specific political purpose of ginning up support for a Constitution that hadn’t been ratified yet, and b) Hubbard v. Lowe was a case involving the constitutionality of the Cotton Futures Act and, as such, has no value in judging the constitutionality of how Mike Pence conducted the constitutional powers of his office. It’s like citing Marbury v. Madison while appealing a decision by your condo board. But chasing after everything Jim Jordan doesn’t know anything about is an exhausting pursuit.

What’s clear is that the committee investigating the events of January 6 has made it quite plain that Jordan was hip-deep in the parliamentary front of the general assault on the democratic process, and that, if this week is any indication, Chairman Thompson is a pretty deft hand at the drip-drip-drip school of persuasion for reluctant potential witnesses.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a38530093/jim-jordan-text-mark-meadows-electoral-count/

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Re: Jan 6 update
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2021, 05:14:44 PM »
Despite if it’s legal or not, right? 600 arrests for mostly trespassing and not a single one for “insurrection” and now we’re finding out this was planned by the left with the help of others. Lololol

Doesn’t have to be an insurrection charge to be illegal and be sentenced to prison.

“We” aren’t finding out anything.  “You” are following your usual CT bullshit again.

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Re: Jan 6 update
« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2021, 10:29:10 PM »
Doesn’t have to be an insurrection charge to be illegal and be sentenced to prison.

“We” aren’t finding out anything.  “You” are following your usual CT bullshit again.

Bbbuutt they keep calling it an “insurrection”. Hey Benito, where was Pelosi on this and why were the NG called off when Trump ordered them 2-3 days BEFORE the fake “insurrection”. Where was she and what did she know? It’s falling apart.

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Re: Jan 6 update
« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2021, 07:19:11 AM »
Bbbuutt they keep calling it an “insurrection”. Hey Benito, where was Pelosi on this and why were the NG called off when Trump ordered them 2-3 days BEFORE the fake “insurrection”. Where was she and what did she know? It’s falling apart.

A better question is where was your short ass during this?  You keep bragging about a revolution coming and yet when some Trumpturds organize and attempt something, your little ass is cowering away behind the computer.

What's the matter?  You talk about being all involved with this and yet can't even bother to show up.  The only thing falling apart is your weak ass excuses.

They can call it anything they want, fact is 700+ Trumpturds got slapped down and heading to jail and more are still being sought.


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Re: Jan 6 update
« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2021, 07:40:52 AM »
A better question is where was your short ass during this?  You keep bragging about a revolution coming and yet when some Trumpturds organize and attempt something, your little ass is cowering away behind the computer.

What's the matter?  You talk about being all involved with this and yet can't even bother to show up.  The only thing falling apart is your weak ass excuses.

They can call it anything they want, fact is 700+ Trumpturds got slapped down and heading to jail and more are still being sought.

I’m easy to find stringbean. I don’t hide behind a computer. You should know this by now. Pics everywhere, where I train, what city I live in, tell big mouths like you what expos I go to. You…you’re just a big mouth behind a computer. Until we see otherwise, that’s all you’ll be.

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Re: Jan 6 update
« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2021, 08:15:54 AM »
I’m easy to find stringbean. I don’t hide behind a computer. You should know this by now. Pics everywhere, where I train, what city I live in, tell big mouths like you what expos I go to. You…you’re just a big mouth behind a computer. Until we see otherwise, that’s all you’ll be.

You are a geriatric retard sitting on the computer, getting owned into oblivion on an internet board daily, talking about the upcoming revolution that you can't even find time to attend the preliminary bout (hahahaha) of because it would require you to - you know... - actually "do" something that doesn't involve the internet. 

You are a joke.

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Re: Jan 6 update
« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2021, 08:23:20 AM »
You are a geriatric retard sitting on the computer, getting owned into oblivion on an internet board daily, talking about the upcoming revolution that you can't even find time to attend the preliminary bout (hahahaha) of because it would require you to - you know... - actually "do" something that doesn't involve the internet. 

You are a joke.

Sure I am lol

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Re: Jan 6 update
« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2021, 08:29:32 AM »
Sure I am lol

Yes.  You are.  If you think otherwise, it is just another one of your documented delusions.  "lol"