Where can I learn about steroids?

[outby43]

also, not that you were saying otherwise, but i was just illustrating why i initially responded to your post..

it's all good man.

[flinstones1]

hows your blood pressure? 

100mg anadrol and a gram of anabolics on top of it...you do the math

[Arnold jr]

Something a lot of guys never consider is how our bodies change over time, you may be using gear, stacking X, Y and Z get great results and experience no negative side-effects. A few years later you use the same stack at the same dose, the gains are not quite the same, maybe better, maybe worse but this time there are negative side-effects involved.

You see this kind of thing in bodybuilding all the time, guys have some success and follow the same protocol with gear, diet and training for the rest of their lives; eventually it will not work as well, changes to the plan need to be made but in their stubbornness they refuse to change, they refuse to really look into the situation and continually bang their head against the wall year after year. They may make some gains but never to the degree they could and for the most part in most cases stay the same.

While there can be many different factors at play it could be a simple adjustment with gear but if you don't have a simple and basic understanding of function you'll never correct it. 

[DK II]

Something a lot of guys never consider is how our bodies change over time, you may be using gear, stacking X, Y and Z get great results and experience no negative side-effects. A few years later you use the same stack at the same dose, the gains are not quite the same, maybe better, maybe worse but this time there are negative side-effects involved.

You see this kind of thing in bodybuilding all the time, guys have some success and follow the same protocol with gear, diet and training for the rest of their lives; eventually it will not work as well, changes to the plan need to be made but in their stubbornness they refuse to change, they refuse to really look into the situation and continually bang their head against the wall year after year. They may make some gains but never to the degree they could and for the most part in most cases stay the same.

While there can be many different factors at play it could be a simple adjustment with gear but if you don't have a simple and basic understanding of function you'll never correct it. 

so whats your solution?

[Meso_z]

No he is absolutely right. Who the fuck goes to the gym clean? you? I sure dont. Do you think gh15 is joking when he says that pros will not even step foot in a gym without gh in system?  And yes you can be a very good bodybuilder  training like a pussy. ABSOLUTELY.

Life gets in the way. Work, relationships, life,stress, and so on. Bringing your tuna and rice to a sushi bar with your buddies. life is too short for that..

Well, not everyone needs a needle up his ass to train.

"Life gets in the way"? If "Life gets in the way" buddy, steroids would be the least of your concern. Seems like theyre not.

[flinstones1]

Well, not everyone needs a needle up his ass to train.

"Life gets in the way"? If "Life gets in the way" buddy, steroids would be the least of your concern. Seems like theyre not.

you misunderstood me. I meant that life gets in the way as in missing meals, occasional training sessions, stuff like that.  But drugs are very forgiving and you can get away with ALOT. Also planning cycles out is bullshit. Nobody writes out a 4 month cycle and follows it to a T at least nobody I know. usually you end up adding another compound in, changing the doses, dropping a compound,etc.

[DK II]

you misunderstood me. I meant that life gets in the way as in missing meals, occasional training sessions, stuff like that.  But drugs are very forgiving and you can get away with ALOT. Also planning cycles out is bullshit. Nobody writes out a 4 month cycle and follows it to a T at least nobody I know. usually you end up adding another compound in, changing the doses, dropping a compound,etc.

Yes, in this regard natural bodybuilding is MUCH more demanding for the people surrounding you.

[Meso_z]

you misunderstood me. I meant that life gets in the way as in missing meals, occasional training sessions, stuff like that.  But drugs are very forgiving and you can get away with ALOT. Also planning cycles out is bullshit. Nobody writes out a 4 month cycle and follows it to a T at least nobody I know. usually you end up adding another compound in, changing the doses, dropping a compound,etc.

Im glad you didnt take that as an attack.. it wasnt meant to be one anyway...  

I just feel most of you guys are very pessimistic about comming off. just train and eat the way you did...lower protein try to eat cleaner (you wont have much of an appetite anyway). train as you normally do.

[Meso_z]

you misunderstood me. I meant that life gets in the way as in missing meals, occasional training sessions, stuff like that.  But drugs are very forgiving and you can get away with ALOT. Also planning cycles out is bullshit. Nobody writes out a 4 month cycle and follows it to a T at least nobody I know. usually you end up adding another compound in, changing the doses, dropping a compound,etc.

Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssss.............

[flinstones1]

Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssss.............

haha i mean its true . NEVER in my life have I actually stuck to a cycle never ever. It's all one big neverending cycle

[Meso_z]

haha i mean its true . NEVER in my life have I actually stuck to a cycle never ever. It's all one big neverending cycle

Yes, always the need to pull something out due to "sides" or add something in...up the dose...lower the dose, cruise etc.

[tbombz]

750mg for first cycle??

yes bitch thats what i recommended. youve never even juiced before you scrawny fuck. used to be all up on miloss nuts about giant sets and snake oil, then gh15 took a liking to you for some odd reason and now you think your some kind of guru. stay on the G&O pretending like you lift. funny how your ugly bitch wife was all ove kyomus nuts when you visited him in spain.

[DK II]

yes bitch thats what i recommended. youve never even juiced before you scrawny fuck. used to be all up on miloss nuts about giant sets and snake oil, then gh15 took a liking to you for some odd reason and now you think your some kind of guru. stay on the G&O pretending like you lift. funny how your ugly bitch wife was all ove kyomus nuts when you visited him in spain.

ahahaha, f@ggot meltdown.


P.S. please don't hate me because i get HG gear and not the underdosed UG crap that you shoot. 

[EatShizzel]

First off how old are you? What is your health like, any high blood pressure, high cholesterol, prostrate problems?

If your over 21 and in good health I say start with 250mg of Test Enth a week for 6 weeks and if you feel ok with it, bump it up to 500mg a week for another 6 weeks. Use 0.5mg of Arimidex every other day if you have any side effects such as ( Gyno, water retention and acne). I would continue using ADEX 4 weeks after your cycle with 100mg of Clomid and throw in 500iu's of HCG every other day for three weeks after your cycle. My nuts got huge doing that.  Steroid.com is a good site to find info.

[notsureifsrs]

Here are some more information by Dr.intensity :

i have some what different views on this topic,
A newbie 18 years, 140lbs at 5 feet 8 inches old would need 3 years of focused serious lifting to build a muscle base, so prolly he would weigh 175 after 3 years of lifting,
During this time he must understand various concepts of
1) Proper form
2) Concept of progressive lifting
3) Periodization
4) How to set up his PERSONAL diet for muscle building and what to expect out of it.
5) RE-SEARCH AAS-PCT---THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT-HOW TO PREVENT SIDES ETC AS MUCH AS HE CAN. SAMPLE LIST AS
Supportive Drug Therapy for Prophylaxis

1. Cardiovascular Support
a) Fish Oil Capsules 10 x 1000mg
b) CQ-10 - 200-400mg/day
c) Niacin Sustained Release-500-1000mg
d) Aspirin 75 mg -150mg
e) ACE inhibitors (ramipril 2-5 to 7.5mg) for blood pressure

2. Liver support
a) Liv-52 four to six single strength tablets
b) Milk-thistle
c) Syntherigine

3. Prostrate, Acne and Hairloss-DHT Control
Finpecia 1mg MON + THURS

4.Testicular Function and Size
HCG-1000iu-2000iu/sunday

5. Estrogen Management
Anti-Aromatase
a) Aromasin
b) Letrozole
c) Arimidex

6.Anti-estrogens
a) Tamoxifen Citrate
b) Clomiphene Citrate
{These should not be used when prolactin producing compounds are being used}

7.Prolactin Control
a) Cabergoline - 1mg MON+THURS
b) Pramipexole

8. Opioid Antagonists
a) Naltrexone 5mg MON+THURS

9. General health support
a) Multi-vitamin+Multimineral x 2tabs/day
b) Vitamin E-800iu (Primary Anti-oxidant)
c) Vitamin C-2000mg (secondary Anti-oxidant)

10. Joint support
a) Glucosamine-Sulphate-2000mg
b) MSM powder-2000mg

11. Reno-protective
a) 6 liters of water a day

these are a list of supplements that may help the bodybuilder prolong good health and prevent side-effects. so i thought i`ll put a list may be useful for new guys.

when this guy is well versed with all of the above then he can SURELY GET AWAY WITH 5 YEARS OF AAS USE without dying of heart attack(Huge supportive therapy drugs + proper PCT etc) TO BUILD A HUGE MUSCLE BASE.

THEN WHEN HE IS READY HE CAN DEVOTE A 5 YEARS OF PROGRESSIVE DIET---PROGRESSIVE TRAINING---PROGRESSIVE CYCLING TO GIAN AS MUCH AS HE CAN
YEAR 1.
 
CYCLE-1
8 WEEKS OF 500MG TEST E + 4 WEEK PCT + 12 WEEKS OFF THEN BLOOD TEST AND START NEXT CYCLE

CYCLE-2
2 WEEKS OF 600MG TEST P + 8 WEEKS OF 600MG TEST + 300 MG TREN A + 8 WEEKS CRIUSE 250-300MG TEST +  1000IU HCG EW
+ 6 WEEKS PCT
+4 WEEKS OFF
THEN BLOOD TEST

CYCLE-3
8 WEEKS OF 1000MG TEST + 400MG DECA + 8 WEEKS CRIUSE 250-300MG TEST + 1000IU HCG EW
THEN BLOOD TEST

OFF 8 WEEKS

YEAR-2 -

CYCLE-1
10 WEEKS OF 1000MG TEST + 400MG DECA-DURABOLIN + 150 MG TREN A + 8 WEEKS CRIUSE 250-300MG TEST + 1000IU HCG EW
THEN BLOOD TEST

CYCLE-2
10 WEEKS OF 1000MG TEST + 600MG EQ + 300 MG TREN A + 8 WEEKS CRIUSE 250-300MG TEST + 1000IU HCG EW
THEN BLOOD TEST

OFF 8 WEEKS

CYCLE-3
10 WEEKS OF 1000MG TEST + 600MG EQ + 300 MG TREN A + --MG MASTERON + 8 WEEKS CRIUSE 250-300MG TEST + 1000IU HCG EW
THEN BLOOD TEST

YEAR-3

CYCLE-1
10 WEEKS OF 1250MG TEST + 600MG DECA-DURABOLIN + 6 WEEK PCT + 4 WEEKS OFF THEN BLOOD TEST

CYCLE-2
10 WEEKS OF 1250MG TEST + 600MG BOLDENONE + 6 WEEK PCT + 4 WEEKS OFF THEN BLOOD TEST

CYCLE-3
10 WEEKS OF 1250MG TEST + 150 MG TREN + 6 WEEK PCT + 4 WEEKS OFF THEN BLOOD TEST

YEAR 4.
* INCLUDING 4IU GH ALL YEAR LONG

CYCLE-1
12 WEEKS OF 1500MG TEST + 600MG DECA-DURABOLIN +D-BALL-25MG ED FOR LAST 4 WEEKS--- 6 WEEK PCT + 4 WEEKS OFF THEN BLOOD TEST

CYCLE-2
12WEEKS OF 1500MG TEST + 800MG BOLDENONE + D-BALL-25MG ED FOR LAST 4 WEEKS  6 WEEK PCT + 4 WEEKS OFF THEN BLOOD TEST

CYCLE-3
12 WEEKS OF 1500MG TEST + 300 MG TREN + ANADROL-50MG D-BALL-25MG ED FOR LAST 4 WEEKS  6 WEEK PCT + 4 WEEKS OFF THEN BLOOD TEST

YEAR 5.
INCLUDING 8IU GH ON CYCLE AND 4IU OFF CYCLE

CYCLE-1
12 WEEKS OF 2000MG TEST + 600MG DECA-DURABOLIN +D-BALL-25MG ED+INSULIN 6IU/POST WORKOUT FOR LAST 4 WEEKS--- 6 WEEK PCT + 4 WEEKS OFF THEN BLOOD TEST

CYCLE-2
12WEEKS OF 2000MG TEST + 800MG BOLDENONE + D-BALL-25MG ED +INSULIN 6IU/POST WORKOUT FOR LAST 4 WEEKS  6 WEEK PCT + 4 WEEKS OFF THEN BLOOD TEST

CYCLE-3
12 WEEKS OF 2000MG TEST + 450 MG TREN + ANADROL-50MG D-BALL-25MG ED+INSULIN 10IU/POST WORKOUT+BREAKFAST FOR LAST 4 WEEKS  6 WEEK PCT + 4 WEEKS OFF THEN BLOOD TEST

NOW AFTER 16 CYCLES IN 5 YEARS THIS 175 LBS GUY WILL COME TO KNOW HIS STATUS--IF HE HAS IT IN HIM THEN ON AN AVERAGE HE MAY GAIN 75-100LBS MUSCLE IN 5 YEARS( 6LBS MUSCLE GAIN PER CYCLE)

NOW REGARDING THE SIDE EFFECTS I WOULD ASK THIS GUY TO RE-SEARCH AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE ON SUPPORTIVE DRUG THERAPY

My dietary recommendation to this guy would be to (on cycle or off cycle)
eat Protein = 2-2.5 grams x "lean body mass"
     Fats= 0.5 grams  x "lean body mass"
     Carbohydrate - as required if he feels bloated then reduce carbs or feels flat then add more carbs
NEVER OVER-EXPECT FROM A GREAT DIET

Always train heavy on cycle or off cycle[/b]

this way he develops all the muscle mass he can according to his genetics, at the age of 27 he will be a MONSTER.
ONCE THE GUY IS ABLE TO CREATE THE MUSCLE BASE(then this muscle base as muscle memory stays with you)---THEN ALL HE WOULD NEED IS TO BE ON FOR 4-6 MONTHS A YEAR TO PREP FOR A COMP.

just my opinion
Dr Intensity

[Meso_z]

Here are some more information by Dr.intensity :

Is this the guy who makes bbing sound like its rocket science on various boards?

[notsureifsrs]

Is this the guy who makes bbing sound like its rocket science on various boards?

lol yea, med school student.... they all act like that

[Meso_z]

lol yea, med school student.... they all act like that

[abijahmaniaco]

classic. Good stuff here. he's probably a kid and I doubt you can talk sense into him....

um? he's absolutely right about trenbolone and progesterone. the science is there buddy... idk what you're discrediting.

[abijahmaniaco]

NEVER in my life have I actually stuck to a cycle never ever. It's all one big neverending cycle

that means you're an addict. hope this helps.

[abijahmaniaco]

If your over 21 and in good health I say start with 250mg of Test Enth a week for 6 weeks and if you feel ok with it, bump it up to 500mg a week for another 6 weeks. Use 0.5mg of Arimidex every other day if you have any side effects such as ( Gyno, water retention and acne). I would continue using ADEX 4 weeks after your cycle with 100mg of Clomid and throw in 500iu's of HCG every other day for three weeks after your cycle. My nuts got huge doing that.  Steroid.com is a good site to find info.

good post. i agree w/ his recommendation. except i recommend only six to eight weeks for first cycle. that way you could omit the hcg and depend solely on clomid. (above eight weeks hcg is a must)

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