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Prosecutors seek waiver to charge boy, 15, with murder
Dos Equis:
Tough cases. We're not a death penalty state, so it's not as serious an issue as it could be, but he'll still face life in prison.
Updated at 4:39 p.m., Sunday, May 27, 2007
Prosecutors seek waiver to charge boy, 15, with murder
By Rod Ohira
Advertiser Staff Writer
Prosecutors will petition Family Court to waive its jurisdiction over a 15-year-old boy so he can be charged as an adult with murdering a 51-year-old 'Ewa Beach woman.
Honolulu police spokesman Capt. Frank Fujii described the killing as "very well planned, very well executed" in a news conference today announcing the decision to seek a waiver.
The medical examiner's office said today the woman's identity has not been confirmed, but neighbors said she is Karen Ertell.
Ertell's body was discovered Friday at her 'Ewa Beach home on Akua Street after family and co-workers called police when she failed to show up for work.
Ertell was owner of Koko Crater Coffee roasters in Kaka'ako.
Fujii said an autopsy today determined Ertell was strangled, and that manner of death was homicide. Prosecutors will seek to charge the boy as an adult with murder, robbery, burglary, auto theft and other offenses, Fujii said.
The boy was arrested at about 10 p.m. yesterday at his home after his father called police to turn in his son, Fujii said.
A Volvo sedan stolen from Ertell's home was recovered Friday night at Geiger Park.
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2007/May/27/br/br6803472195.html
Purge_WTF:
Rightfully so. It's time we stopped coddling these moppets.
Dos Equis:
--- Quote from: Purge_WTF on May 27, 2007, 08:33:55 PM --- Rightfully so. It's time we stopped coddling these moppets.
--- End quote ---
I can't really argue with you. I'm a little torn. Being in a house full of kids, it's easy to see how much they have to learn and grow and how little they know about life as teenagers. But some of these crimes are so serious that it's hard to conclude the kid didn't completely appreciate what he or she was doing.
OzmO:
At 15 years old i donno about him doing life or facing the death penalty even though there isn't one in Hawaii.
BUT. He needs to be tried and punished as an adult at least in some respects. Premeditated is murder one right? Then he should have to be in prison at least 10 years. Hopefully 5 of those last years in a prison where there's a chance to rehabilitate him. I'm not big in the whole rehabilitation thing but in this instance of a 15 year old i believe it's warranted.
This kid shouldn't be afforded the rights of minor and be released when he is 18.
Dos Equis:
--- Quote from: OzmO on May 28, 2007, 08:36:10 AM ---At 15 years old i donno about him doing life or facing the death penalty even though there isn't one in Hawaii.
BUT. He needs to be tried and punished as an adult at least in some respects. Premeditated is murder one right? Then he should have to be in prison at least 10 years. Hopefully 5 of those last years in a prison where there's a chance to rehabilitate him. I'm not big in the whole rehabilitation thing but in this instance of a 15 year old i believe it's warranted.
This kid shouldn't be afforded the rights of minor and be released when he is 18.
--- End quote ---
Now that I think about it, I believe the U.S. Supreme Court said the execution of minors is unconstitutional, so he couldn't face the death penalty anyway.
Murder one is premeditated. You would think that a 15-year-old kid could be rehabilitated. I think a kid can be kept past 18? Not sure what the max age is? Twenty-one or so? Tough to draw lines.
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