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Further proof that athletes and entertainers should not be talking about public policy . . . or anything other than music and movies.
Alicia Keys: 'Gangsta Rap' Created to Convince Black People to Kill Each Other
Saturday, April 12, 2008
(http://www.foxnews.com/images/365126/0_61_041208_alicia.jpg)
NEW YORK — There's another side to Alicia Keys: conspiracy theorist.
The Grammy-winning singer-songwriter tells Blender magazine: "'Gangsta rap' was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other. 'Gangsta rap' didn't exist."
Keys, 27, said she's read several Black Panther autobiographies and wears a gold AK-47 pendant around her neck "to symbolize strength, power and killing 'em dead," according to an interview in the magazine's May issue, on newsstands Tuesday.
Another of her theories: The bicoastal feud between slain rappers Tupac Shakur and Notorious B.I.G. was fueled "by the government and the media, to stop another great black leader from existing."
Keys' AK-47 jewelry came as a surprise to her mother, who is quoted as telling Blender: "She wears what? That doesn't sound like Alicia." Keys' publicist, Theola Borden, said Keys was on vacation and unavailable for comment.
Though she's known for her romantic tunes, she told Blender that she wants to write more political songs. If black leaders such as the late Black Panther Huey Newton "had the outlets our musicians have today, it'd be global. I have to figure out a way to do it myself," she said.
The multiplatinum songstress behind the hits "Fallin"' and "No One" most recently had success with her latest CD, "As I Am," which sold millions.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,350916,00.html
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Further proof that athletes and entertainers should not be talking about public policy . . . or anything other than music and movies.
When large groups of military, political, university, and phds come fwd with a common idea, punks like you scoff and call it nonsense.
So, when a celebrity uses her platform to get an idea across, despite the fact that sheep like you will ignore it, maybe it'll get thru to the masses a bit better.
I think she's wrong here, but hey, it's good to see she's using her platform to facilitate a political discussion.
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She should blame her own stupidass people.
240, it's not good.. These people have enough excuses as it is. Can't fucking win with them.
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She should blame her own stupidass people.
240, it's not good.. These people have enough excuses as it is. Can't fucking win with them.
well, there were lots of record label execs and marketing gurus who exploited the beef, encouraged it, and paid the rappers well to stage a battle of east/west to generate sales.
but the rappers chose to engage.
and the kids chose to listen.
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well, there were lots of record label execs and marketing gurus who exploited the beef, encouraged it, and paid the rappers well to stage a battle of east/west to generate sales.
but the rappers chose to engage.
and the kids chose to listen.
That's america. If they don't fucking want it, then they shouldn't be crazed about the lifestyle that it promotes.
Of course records are bought by whites and asians too, but you don't them doing crazy shit and wearing FUBU at age 30. ;D
Alicia Keys has the burden of responsible behavior, and this nonsense of her's certainly isn't. How many black people will now find a new excuse? How many will strengthen their already existing excuses?
We need jaguarenterprise aka Louis Farrakhan's daughter to chime in!
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Further proof that athletes and entertainers should not be talking about public policy . . . or anything other than music and movies.
Alicia Keys: 'Gangsta Rap' Created to Convince Black People to Kill Each Other
Saturday, April 12, 2008
(http://www.foxnews.com/images/365126/0_61_041208_alicia.jpg)
NEW YORK — There's another side to Alicia Keys: conspiracy theorist.
The Grammy-winning singer-songwriter tells Blender magazine: "'Gangsta rap' was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other. 'Gangsta rap' didn't exist."
Keys, 27, said she's read several Black Panther autobiographies and wears a gold AK-47 pendant around her neck "to symbolize strength, power and killing 'em dead," according to an interview in the magazine's May issue, on newsstands Tuesday.
Another of her theories: The bicoastal feud between slain rappers Tupac Shakur and Notorious B.I.G. was fueled "by the government and the media, to stop another great black leader from existing."
Keys' AK-47 jewelry came as a surprise to her mother, who is quoted as telling Blender: "She wears what? That doesn't sound like Alicia." Keys' publicist, Theola Borden, said Keys was on vacation and unavailable for comment.
Though she's known for her romantic tunes, she told Blender that she wants to write more political songs. If black leaders such as the late Black Panther Huey Newton "had the outlets our musicians have today, it'd be global. I have to figure out a way to do it myself," she said.
The multiplatinum songstress behind the hits "Fallin"' and "No One" most recently had success with her latest CD, "As I Am," which sold millions.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,350916,00.html
I'd be curious to know how she speaks of whites and this country in general behind closed doors.
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I'd be curious to know how she speaks of whites and this country in general behind closed doors.
Me too, particularly given that she is half white.
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Me too, particularly given that she is half white.
Hmm.. sounds like someone in politics recently. Can't put my finger on it...
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shes hot.
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shes hot.
Mars brings the truth 8)
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Me too, particularly given that she is half white.
race is an issue addressed by ignorant folks who can't understand the economy or the war.
They prefer simple explanations like "wmd" and "they hate our freedom".
carry on, simp!
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Man, she needs a good swift kick to the throat.
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race is an issue addressed by ignorant folks who can't understand the economy or the war.
They prefer simple explanations like "wmd" and "they hate our freedom".
carry on, simp!
Spend more time in a black community and tell me race isn't becoming MORE of an issue.
I wish Maryland was as far from a black/white racial epicenter as Florida. Must be nice.
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Spend more time in a black community and tell me race isn't becoming MORE of an issue.
I wish Maryland was as far from a black/white racial epicenter as Florida. Must be nice.
i used to live in sarasota, one of the most racially segregated cities in america at the time.
I agree it's more of an issue, especially with obama running.
My point is that it's only an issue to people who are stupid, petty, and who can't comprehend issues that matter. Yes, there are a lot of people like that in the world, who care more about what color their neighbor is, than the fact their social secirity checks just got sent to china to fund an oil war. They can't comprehend geopolitics or advanced economics, but they sure can follow "I hate that guy cause he's different".
All we do by debating race issues is perpetuate this ignorance.
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Spend more time in a black community and tell me race isn't becoming MORE of an issue.
I wish Maryland was as far from a black/white racial epicenter as Florida. Must be nice.
It has always been an issue. That's why Obama made his race speech. Not going away anytime soon.
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It has always been an issue....
... for stupid people.
Obama put it into his speech because the media, pandering to stupid viewers, made it an issue.
Obama, pandering to stupid voters who love race issues, made his speech.
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... for stupid people.
Obama put it into his speech because the media, pandering to stupid viewers, made it an issue.
Obama, pandering to stupid voters who love race issues, made his speech.
No.. the cultural differences in the US that are causing serious and escalating problems are not stupid. People who dislike anothers race might be.
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No.. the cultural differences in the US that are causing serious and escalating problems are not stupid.
Cultural problems caused by ... ?
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Such ugly things coming out of a beautiful face
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they should just listen to bill cosby and quit playing a victim.
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they should just listen to bill cosby and quit playing a victim.
exactly.
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That's america. If they don't fucking want it, then they shouldn't be crazed about the lifestyle that it promotes.
Of course records are bought by whites and asians too, but you don't them doing crazy shit and wearing FUBU at age 30. ;D
What's so wrong with wearing FUBU at age 30? ???
FUBU is simply about economic empowerment, ...along the same lines of Walmart's "Made in America",
(...before they started getting all their stuff from China & India), ...but didn't American's flock to Walmart for that?
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Further proof that athletes and entertainers should not be talking about public policy . . . or anything other than music and movies.
Alicia Keys: 'Gangsta Rap' Created to Convince Black People to Kill Each Other
Saturday, April 12, 2008
(http://www.foxnews.com/images/365126/0_61_041208_alicia.jpg)
NEW YORK — There's another side to Alicia Keys: conspiracy theorist.
The Grammy-winning singer-songwriter tells Blender magazine: "'Gangsta rap' was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other. 'Gangsta rap' didn't exist."
Keys, 27, said she's read several Black Panther autobiographies and wears a gold AK-47 pendant around her neck "to symbolize strength, power and killing 'em dead," according to an interview in the magazine's May issue, on newsstands Tuesday.
Another of her theories: The bicoastal feud between slain rappers Tupac Shakur and Notorious B.I.G. was fueled "by the government and the media, to stop another great black leader from existing."
Keys' AK-47 jewelry came as a surprise to her mother, who is quoted as telling Blender: "She wears what? That doesn't sound like Alicia." Keys' publicist, Theola Borden, said Keys was on vacation and unavailable for comment.
Though she's known for her romantic tunes, she told Blender that she wants to write more political songs. If black leaders such as the late Black Panther Huey Newton "had the outlets our musicians have today, it'd be global. I have to figure out a way to do it myself," she said.
The multiplatinum songstress behind the hits "Fallin"' and "No One" most recently had success with her latest CD, "As I Am," which sold millions.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,350916,00.html
I'm with Alicia Keys on this one.
I can definitely see how it all was planned, if y'all look in the Sionist Protocol of the Elder, you can see, it's spelled out.
Clear as a day.
You people just can't handle the truth.
If Alicia "The Truth" Keys sales goes down, it's just another tell.
And if nothing happens, it's all because they are too smart to do something.
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Further proof that athletes and entertainers should not be talking about public policy . . . or anything other than music and movies.
Alicia Keys: 'Gangsta Rap' Created to Convince Black People to Kill Each Other
Saturday, April 12, 2008
(http://www.foxnews.com/images/365126/0_61_041208_alicia.jpg)
NEW YORK — There's another side to Alicia Keys: conspiracy theorist.
The Grammy-winning singer-songwriter tells Blender magazine: "'Gangsta rap' was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other. 'Gangsta rap' didn't exist."
Keys, 27, said she's read several Black Panther autobiographies and wears a gold AK-47 pendant around her neck "to symbolize strength, power and killing 'em dead," according to an interview in the magazine's May issue, on newsstands Tuesday.
Another of her theories: The bicoastal feud between slain rappers Tupac Shakur and Notorious B.I.G. was fueled "by the government and the media, to stop another great black leader from existing."
Keys' AK-47 jewelry came as a surprise to her mother, who is quoted as telling Blender: "She wears what? That doesn't sound like Alicia." Keys' publicist, Theola Borden, said Keys was on vacation and unavailable for comment.
Though she's known for her romantic tunes, she told Blender that she wants to write more political songs. If black leaders such as the late Black Panther Huey Newton "had the outlets our musicians have today, it'd be global. I have to figure out a way to do it myself," she said.
The multiplatinum songstress behind the hits "Fallin"' and "No One" most recently had success with her latest CD, "As I Am," which sold millions.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,350916,00.html
I'm with Alicia Keys on this one.
I can definitely see how it all was planned, if y'all look in the Sionist Protocol of the Elder, you can see, it's spelled out.
Clear as a day.
You people just can't handle the truth.
If Alicia "The Truth" Keys sales goes down, it's just another tell.
And if nothing happens, it's all because they are too smart to do something.
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Hedge, can you post that again? Didn't catch what you said the first 2 times.
I don't agree with the most of this. I must say most of the "beefs" were created and manipulated by the black rappers / music producers themselves to promote sales etc, kinda like wrestling.
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She has a pretty face. She should do porn.
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Hedge, can you post that again? Didn't catch what you said the first 2 times.
I don't agree with the most of this. I must say most of the "beefs" were created and manipulated by the black rappers / music producers themselves to promote sales etc, kinda like wrestling.
(http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/em/shocked.gif)
Are you saying that wrestling isn't real? ...oh no, say it isn't so.
Are you sure dude? It looks pretty real ... they can't possibly be faking it.
It would take far too many conspirators to keep that quiet. Nordic are you a conspiracy theorist? :o
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She has a pretty face. She should do porn.
So should your daughter. >:(
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I hope thats propaganda crap and she didn't say that. She is an awesome singer (and is very hot...yes Mars!).
Record execs helped promote gangsta rap because they saw one color....Green! Anyone that thinks otherwise likely has a politically motivated misunderstanding.
While the origins of some problems in minority communities are quite debateable, rap & gangsta rap is not. Came directly from the people. Its disappointing that its become so acceptible for some to blame whites and the establishment for some of the poor judgement and trends in the minority communities that hurt themselves. Why feminist groups weren't more aggressive against the whole rap culture is beyond me...I can only guess, they feared some insensitivity rebuttle. Black Americians made some of the best music ever. As a musician, I am floored by the absolute talent & creativity of the jazz, blues and classic R&B musicians...all this great music to be usurped by rap? Shameful really.
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So should your daughter. >:(
My daughter is 9 years old. Kiddie porn may be cool in liberal Canada but it'll get you a beat down in the United States.
Save the pedo movies for the durkas, Judi.
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My daughter is 9 years old. Kiddie porn may be cool in liberal Canada but it'll get you a beat down in the United States.
Save the pedo movies for the durkas, Judi.
oops :O
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I hope thats propaganda crap and she didn't say that. She is an awesome singer (and is very hot...yes Mars!).
Record execs helped promote gangsta rap because they saw one color....Green! Anyone that thinks otherwise likely has a politically motivated misunderstanding.
Exactly!!!
While the origins of some problems in minority communities are quite debateable, rap & gangsta rap is not. Came directly from the people. Its disappointing that its become so acceptible for some to blame whites and the establishment for some of the poor judgement and trends in the minority communities that hurt themselves. Why feminist groups weren't more aggressive against the whole rap culture is beyond me...I can only guess, they feared some insensitivity rebuttle. Black Americians made some of the best music ever. As a musician, I am floored by the absolute talent & creativity of the jazz, blues and classic R&B musicians...all this great music to be usurped by rap? Shameful really.
There are a whole host of genres out there, but they must compete for distribution. Those who held the purse strings (record execs) dictated which artists got signed to labels, which records got cut, which songs were released and which were promoted.
I've had an inside peek at the record industry and how it works, ...and it's pretty mindboggling & eye-opening.
Now adays, with the advent of file sharing, YouTube etc., one doesn't need the labels as much. instead of begging them, labels are now begging artists, but a huge percentage of what is released is determined by those other than the artist.
btw - This is not a black or white issue. This is something experienced by ALL artists. There are some artists who HATED having to sing some of their songs, ...songs that made them millions infact. They hated hated HATED those songs, ...but the labels demanded they sing it.
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True. Record execs have a lot of power & influence!
The guys in my band are all black dudes (and very good friends). They have expressed their dissapointment with the degree that rap has overtaken traditional "black" music, which historically was just incredible, in multiple genres. The quality of all pop music overall has gone down overall (except the singing) but there aren't as many pop tunes that musicians enjoy as there used to be. Music has been dumbed down just like a lot of things in our culture recently. Our band plays mostly the 70s R&B, funk and some classic rock that was catchy but also stimulating musically. I'm the white dude laying down the fat beats and I love it!
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True. Record execs have a lot of power & influence!
The guys in my band are all black dudes (and very good friends). They have expressed their dissapointment with the degree that rap has overtaken traditional "black" music, which historically was just incredible, in multiple genres. The quality of all pop music overall has gone down overall (except the singing) but there aren't as many pop tunes that musicians enjoy as there used to be. Music has been dumbed down just like a lot of things in our culture recently. Our band plays mostly the 70s R&B, funk and some classic rock that was catchy but also stimulating musically. I'm the white dude laying down the fat beats and I love it!
What instrument do you play? Do you do it for fun, recreation, or do you have career aspirations?
It is disappointing the route rap has taken. What happened to the voices like KRS1 who educated & uplifted?
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My daughter is 9 years old. Kiddie porn may be cool in liberal Canada but it'll get you a beat down in the United States.
Save the pedo movies for the durkas, Judi.
With Judi "Stench" Jag in the driving seat we're heading for a world where women no longer gets to vote.
She's ok with nations like Iran, Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan.
Typical multiculti hugger.
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She has a pretty face. She should do porn.
I thought the same when watching the Super Bowl.
I was kinda imagine her in some BWB movie.
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I thought the same when watching the Super Bowl.
I was kinda imagine her in some BWB movie.
LOL
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With Judi "Stench" Jag in the driving seat we're heading for a world where women no longer gets to vote.
She's ok with nations like Iran, Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan.
Typical multiculti hugger.
Maybe if attacked the message and not the messenger, you'd enjoy more credibility.
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Maybe if attacked the message and not the messenger, you'd enjoy more credibility.
You're the one that promotes cultures where women can't vote.
Bravo, you're a disgrace to the sisterhood!
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You're the one that promotes cultures where women can't vote.
Bravo, you're a disgrace to the sisterhood!
Where have I done that?
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Iran, Saudi Arabia, supporting islam.
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Again, I ask where have I done that?
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Countless times. "Where" I don't have the energy to show.
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Countless times. "Where" I don't have the energy ability to show.
There... I corrected it for you.
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She has a pretty face. She should do porn.
as should you stud.
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as should you stud.
;D
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I'm a drummer. I'm a doc so I play drums on the side, but our band is a professional band. We play gigs on the weekends so its not that time consuming. Our biggest gig was side stage at house of blues, we played there several times. We are a cover band so play a lot of dance clubs and larger lounges/bars, etc.
Music is something that can bring all people together. The feeling you get when everyone in the band is gelling and tight and the people are dancing & cheering is unbelievable.
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I'm a drummer. I'm a doc so I play drums on the side, but our band is a professional band. We play gigs on the weekends so its not that time consuming. Our biggest gig was side stage at house of blues, we played there several times. We are a cover band so play a lot of dance clubs and larger lounges/bars, etc.
Music is something that can bring all people together. The feeling you get when everyone in the band is gelling and tight and the people are dancing & cheering is unbelievable.
Southern Cali? Ever had any interest in a record deal?
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shes watched the movie belly one to many times ::) honestly how anybody could believe something like this is beyond me
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Alicia is fine. :P
That is all.
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::) I don't know about this conspiracy theory but...... She is FINE!
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Apr 15, 6:43 PM EDT
Alicia Keys says comments to magazine were 'misrepresented'
NEW YORK (AP) -- Alicia Keys says she's not a conspiracy theorist. In a statement issued Tuesday, Keys said she was clarifying "comments that were made during my recent Blender magazine interview since they have been misrepresented."
According to an interview in the magazine's May issue, the 27-year-old singer says: "`Gangsta rap' was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other. `Gangsta rap' didn't exist." She also is quoted as saying that she wears a gold AK-47 pendant around her neck "to symbolize strength, power and killing 'em dead."
"We stand by our story," Blender spokeswoman Kate Cafaro told The Associated Press on Tuesday.
"My comments about `gangsta rap' were in no way trying to suggest that the government is responsible for creating this genre of rap music," Keys said in a statement issued by J Records. "The point that I was trying to make was that the term was oversloganized by some of the media causing reactions that were not always positive. Many of the `gangsta rap' lyrics articulate the problems of the artists' experiences and I think all of us, including our leaders, could be doing more to address these problems including drugs, gang violence, crime, and other related social issues."
As for the AK-47 remark, Keys said Tuesday that AK-47 is a nickname given to her by friends "as an acronym for Alicia Keys and a metaphor for wowing people with my music and performances, `killing 'em dead' on stage. The reference was in no way meant to have a literal, political or negative connotation."
When AP attempted to reach Keys last week about the Blender interview, her publicist, Theola Borden, said the singer was on vacation and unavailable for comment.
The multiplatinum star behind the hits "Fallin'" and "No One" most recently had success with her latest CD, "As I Am," which has sold 3.4 million copies, according to Nielsen Soundscan.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PEOPLE_ALICIA_KEYS?SITE=HIHAD&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
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OMFG.... the media twisted her words?! :o
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Who cares what some dumb record bimbo says?
She's hot...
AK... do us a favor... shut up and stand there... You look better when you've got your mouth shut.
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exactly.
Is Saddam holding a Thompson SMG in your avatar? ??? 8)
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Is Saddam holding a Thompson SMG in your avatar? ??? 8)
i dont know i have no knowledge on guns.
i do know his hat is bullet proof.
(http://www.new-enlightenment.com/saddamgun.jpg)
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whats a BWB movie?
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... for stupid people.
Obama put it into his speech because the media, pandering to stupid viewers, made it an issue.
Obama, pandering to stupid voters who love race issues, made his speech.
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in all the killings ive seen and investigated. not one was ever commited using an ipod or a cd
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Black people have been killing each other long, long before gangsta rap was even introduced....and it isn't something unique within the United States. It exists as a medium to easily lay blame upon......more akin to blaming Marilyn Manson, Doom, and Grand Theft Auto for school violence.
I'll tell you why crime is particularly high within the black community, coming from someone who worked as a State Corrections Officer and a Probation Officer for 5 years, and has lived and worked amongst or directly adjacent to black communities in Broward County. Ready for it?
Racism, Subsidies, and Human Warehousing.
Racism - Nope, not the perceived notions of a bunch of fat white guys smoking cigars in a backroom wearing cowboy hats. The racism of today is more virulent and complicated. Racism today comes in the form of Statism. Statists include various politicians(mainly Democrats), the Congressional Black Caucus, NAACP, the Urban League, National Action Network, the Rainbow Coalition,Select Black Churches, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Jerome Wright. These elitists believe that they alone hold the key to blacks' salvation to save them from(Insert here: racists, bigots, government, the white man, the Man, etc....) perceived enemies. Politicians do it primarily for votes, as pandering to blacks helps them to keep or gain large numbers of the voting bloc. The "civil rights" groups and leaders do it because it makes them money and gives them power........power used largely to browbeat and hustle any major outlet that says anything remotely disparaging about blacks or what these groups are about. The Statists want /i] racism to stay.
Subsidies - Like Ron Paul famously said, When You Subsidize something, You get More of It. Affirmative Action, Welfare, Food Stamps, Racial Quotas, Housing Assistance, and other various handouts are literally destroying the black community. We as a society need to take a step back and realize that inequalities will always naturally exist and that we must treat people as individuals and not as part of a group. With these social programs that were developed largely by statists, they help to keep some members of the black community unmotivated to go out and do something on their own. They'd rather have these members blame something superficial as racism all the while supporting and voting in the true racists that help to truly hold them back.
Human Warehousing - "Tough on Crime" laws and mandates by politicians who cater to largely the richer, gated communities in their districts. Nowadays, you can go to jail or prison on even the most minor of offenses. This is affecting the black community greatly when it comes to incarceration rates as more and more children are growing up without a father figure in their life...and that father figure gets replaced by the streets. You also take a salary out of that community which could have helped to revitalize it and/or keep it in competitive business. Many of these offenses are minor transgressions, and black men are being sent to prison in droves for it. It also doesn't help that many companies won't touch a person who has a criminal background which contributes to the high recidivism rates here in the US.
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Fvcking A, JBGRAY, you nailed it.
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Me too, particularly given that she is half white.
It's like you told me, bro.....the one drop rule is something that is still in tact. (and probably forever will be :-\)
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Black people have been killing each other long, long before gangsta rap was even introduced....and it isn't something unique within the United States. It exists as a medium to easily lay blame upon......more akin to blaming Marilyn Manson, Doom, and Grand Theft Auto for school violence.
I'll tell you why crime is particularly high within the black community, coming from someone who worked as a State Corrections Officer and a Probation Officer for 5 years, and has lived and worked amongst or directly adjacent to black communities in Broward County. Ready for it?
Racism, Subsidies, and Human Warehousing.
Racism - Nope, not the perceived notions of a bunch of fat white guys smoking cigars in a backroom wearing cowboy hats. The racism of today is more virulent and complicated. Racism today comes in the form of Statism. Statists include various politicians(mainly Democrats), the Congressional Black Caucus, NAACP, the Urban League, National Action Network, the Rainbow Coalition,Select Black Churches, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Jerome Wright. These elitists believe that they alone hold the key to blacks' salvation to save them from(Insert here: racists, bigots, government, the white man, the Man, etc....) perceived enemies. Politicians do it primarily for votes, as pandering to blacks helps them to keep or gain large numbers of the voting bloc. The "civil rights" groups and leaders do it because it makes them money and gives them power........power used largely to browbeat and hustle any major outlet that says anything remotely disparaging about blacks or what these groups are about. The Statists want /i] racism to stay.
Subsidies - Like Ron Paul famously said, When You Subsidize something, You get More of It. Affirmative Action, Welfare, Food Stamps, Racial Quotas, Housing Assistance, and other various handouts are literally destroying the black community. We as a society need to take a step back and realize that inequalities will always naturally exist and that we must treat people as individuals and not as part of a group. With these social programs that were developed largely by statists, they help to keep some members of the black community unmotivated to go out and do something on their own. They'd rather have these members blame something superficial as racism all the while supporting and voting in the true racists that help to truly hold them back.
Human Warehousing - "Tough on Crime" laws and mandates by politicians who cater to largely the richer, gated communities in their districts. Nowadays, you can go to jail or prison on even the most minor of offenses. This is affecting the black community greatly when it comes to incarceration rates as more and more children are growing up without a father figure in their life...and that father figure gets replaced by the streets. You also take a salary out of that community which could have helped to revitalize it and/or keep it in competitive business. Many of these offenses are minor transgressions, and black men are being sent to prison in droves for it. It also doesn't help that many companies won't touch a person who has a criminal background which contributes to the high recidivism rates here in the US.
I would also tie the subsidies issue with a mentality of entitlement within the black community, which is made worse by those you call "statists." Many blacks feel that white America "owes" them something for events long ago. The same reason is cited for why they claim to be at a disadvantage when they actually have many advantages over any other ethnic group precisely due to those subsidies. It's an excuse to do less, complain more, and ultimately do nothing to improve thier situation. They don't HAVE to so they're not going to.
As for the warehousing issue you have a point. Zero tolerance usually comes with zero intelligence. But if they would stop the criminal behavior it is doubtful they'd be getting locked up. Taking responsibility ranks somewhere between police and steady employment in these communities. I work in almost nothing but low income black urban communities and I've never seen a larger group determined to take what is not thiers, disregard thier neighbors and thier families and just basically do whatever it takes to get instant gratification without earning anything. And then you combine that mentality with heroin and cocaine and you have Baltimore. It's disgusting.
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she can pee in my mouth.
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Alicia is absolutely correct. Also everyone should know that the Government also included subliminal messages in music that instructed certain people to trash their neighborhoods. Also they put something in Chitlin's and Grape Soda that makes people want to carjack you. Common knowleged that Black eyed peas have been implanted with a mind control device that makes "certain people" illegally acquire machine guns and gun people down while driving in a car. A favorite in Florida, among certain people is the desire to kill their infant children. In the last few months we've had 3 6 months or younger kids get their brains bashed in because they were crying too loudly and another tossed out a window of a car going 70 mph..all here in sunny west palm, Florida. Of course, it wasn't the fact that these people have a propensity for mayhem and violence, it was a mysterious chemical impregnated into the paper used to make welfare checks, that caused this. Don't you people know anything?
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Alicia is absolutely correct. Also everyone should know that the Government also included subliminal messages in music that instructed certain people to trash their neighborhoods. Also they put something in Chitlin's and Grape Soda that makes people want to carjack you. Common knowleged that Black eyed peas have been implanted with a mind control device that makes "certain people" illegally acquire machine guns and gun people down while driving in a car. A favorite in Florida, among certain people is the desire to kill their infant children. In the last few months we've had 3 6 months or younger kids get their brains bashed in because they were crying too loudly and another tossed out a window of a car going 70 mph..all here in sunny west palm, Florida. Of course, it wasn't the fact that these people have a propensity for mayhem and violence, it was a mysterious chemical impregnated into the paper used to make welfare checks, that caused this. Don't you people know anything?
ROTFL... nice! :D
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Alicia is absolutely correct. Also everyone should know that the Government also included subliminal messages in music that instructed certain people to trash their neighborhoods. Also they put something in Chitlin's and Grape Soda that makes people want to carjack you. Common knowleged that Black eyed peas have been implanted with a mind control device that makes "certain people" illegally acquire machine guns and gun people down while driving in a car. A favorite in Florida, among certain people is the desire to kill their infant children. In the last few months we've had 3 6 months or younger kids get their brains bashed in because they were crying too loudly and another tossed out a window of a car going 70 mph..all here in sunny west palm, Florida. Of course, it wasn't the fact that these people have a propensity for mayhem and violence, it was a mysterious chemical impregnated into the paper used to make welfare checks, that caused this. Don't you people know anything?
I agree.
Alicia Keys is one of the few who actually is willing to speak about the big conspiracy.
She and Ron Paul!
Join the Alicia Ron Paul Revolution!!!
We all know that the government is cooperating with aliens, selling our souls for corn dogs.
It's disgusting.
But "the media" is trying to silence the "Ron Paul /Alicia" revolution.
That's why you can't see Ron Paul as a candidate on CNN's website. Or Alicia Keys on the Album chart.
Am I right? Am I right? Am I right?
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in all the killings ive seen and investigated. not one was ever commited using an ipod or a cd
You've obviously never heard me sing. ;D
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Nah, jag, no record deals. We've never recorded our own music, just play covers. Getting a record deal is tough as hell and requires a lot more time, creativity, luck (and connections). I know some fantastic musicians that tried, and even with all their talent, few make it.
I'm up in Cleveland...not sunny southern Calli :'(
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It's like you told me, bro.....the one drop rule is something that is still in tact. (and probably forever will be :-\)
Sad but true mang.
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This topic really stands out as a scapegoat type of stereotype that makes the reputation of gangsta rap seem to be able to find a excuse for what the term "black crime" is and has always been in the street loving attitude of african americans.
The truth in saying that comes from many of the rappers themselves who made themselves and their urban popularity equal to or greater than the african american activists who live off politics and race. Rappers make a living doing their exploitation of knowing how to be so ghetto such as the #To Pack who lived with his slogan called the thug life and turned his Las Vegas murder from the black on black crime created rap rivalry wars into actually being a profitable life after death legacy of being so thuggish and a rap angel instead of being a dismissed death after life tragedy from being a macho criminal.
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I would also tie the subsidies issue with a mentality of entitlement within the black community, which is made worse by those you call "statists." Many blacks feel that white America "owes" them something for events long ago. The same reason is cited for why they claim to be at a disadvantage when they actually have many advantages over any other ethnic group precisely due to those subsidies. It's an excuse to do less, complain more, and ultimately do nothing to improve thier situation. They don't HAVE to so they're not going to.
As for the warehousing issue you have a point. Zero tolerance usually comes with zero intelligence. But if they would stop the criminal behavior it is doubtful they'd be getting locked up. Taking responsibility ranks somewhere between police and steady employment in these communities. I work in almost nothing but low income black urban communities and I've never seen a larger group determined to take what is not thiers, disregard thier neighbors and thier families and just basically do whatever it takes to get instant gratification without earning anything. And then you combine that mentality with heroin and cocaine and you have Baltimore. It's disgusting.
Good post, man. The sad thing is that when someone makes these points they're automatically racist, or have adopted white supremist values. ::) I live in NYC and I agree with you 100%.. Anyone who's lived in close proximity to large groups of black people knows that they pretty much disregard others, the law, and have no respect. They further destroy the neighborhood by working the civil jobs; which of course they get through affirmative action. Try going to the DMV in the ghetto.. You'll wonder how such people can exist in a civilized western nation.. That's the ghetto for you, and it's created by the very people living in it, and not by whitey, jews or anybody else.
The place I live in now has gotten loads better since the last decade or so, thanks to an influx of hard working immigrants, an economic boom, and many blacks being pushed out due to increased prices in housing. The blacks remaining pretty much turn the apartment complexes they live in into shit, cause all the crime, and ruin the public schools. There's like a divide between a place called Hillside avenue; as you go up north you see no black people, but once you go past Hillside it's all blacks.
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Good post, man. The sad thing is that when someone makes these points they're automatically racist, or have adopted white supremist values. ::) I live in NYC and I agree with you 100%.. Anyone who's lived in close proximity to large groups of black people knows that they pretty much disregard others, the law, and have no respect. They further destroy the neighborhood by working the civil jobs; which of course they get through affirmative action. Try going to the DMV in the ghetto.. You'll wonder how such people can exist in a civilized western nation.. That's the ghetto for you, and it's created by the very people living in it, and not by whitey, jews or anybody else.
The place I live in now has gotten loads better since the last decade or so, thanks to an influx of hard working immigrants, an economic boom, and many blacks being pushed out due to increased prices in housing. The blacks remaining pretty much turn the apartment complexes they live in into shit, cause all the crime, and ruin the public schools. There's like a divide between a place called Hillside avenue; as you go up north you see no black people, but once you go past Hillside it's all blacks.
Thanks. It's nice to hear that a place has "gotten better" as you say. It's rare to ever hear that around here.
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Good post, man. The sad thing is that when someone makes these points they're automatically racist, or have adopted white supremist values. ::) I live in NYC and I agree with you 100%.. Anyone who's lived in close proximity to large groups of black people knows that they pretty much disregard others, the law, and have no respect. They further destroy the neighborhood by working the civil jobs; which of course they get through affirmative action. Try going to the DMV in the ghetto.. You'll wonder how such people can exist in a civilized western nation.. That's the ghetto for you, and it's created by the very people living in it, and not by whitey, jews or anybody else.
The place I live in now has gotten loads better since the last decade or so, thanks to an influx of hard working immigrants, an economic boom, and many blacks being pushed out due to increased prices in housing. The blacks remaining pretty much turn the apartment complexes they live in into shit, cause all the crime, and ruin the public schools. There's like a divide between a place called Hillside avenue; as you go up north you see no black people, but once you go past Hillside it's all blacks.
What you said realistically summaries why african americans are in the syndrome of what "acting black" means to them and willing to be very ghetto. The only people that benefit from all of this is the rap artists that make themselves money by showing what the glory of urban life is like to them in their music videos. I never understood when or how poverty became a valid reason for the type of criminal behavior that makes police officers such as the ones that risk their lives in the streets of so many street blocks in New York.
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CJ, what I gathered from your post is that you live(d) in the ghetto. What do you expect from a ghetto?
That's why it's called a ghetto. Get out of the ghetto, and you won't see so much ghetto.
It has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with low socio-economic status, poverty & ignorance, factors that predominate in a ghetto
Ever been to Rodeo Rd. in Cali? That area is predominantly all Black.
Have a visit sometime. It might open your eyes somewhat, ...or maybe not? (http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/em/hrug.gif)
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CJ, what I gathered from your post is that you live(d) in the ghetto. What do you expect from a ghetto?
That's why it's called a ghetto. Get out of the ghetto, and you won't see so much ghetto.
It has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with low socio-economic status, poverty & ignorance, factors that predominate in a ghetto
Ever been to Rodeo Rd. in Cali? That area is predominantly all Black.
Have a visit sometime. It might open your eyes somewhat, ...or maybe not? (http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/em/hrug.gif)
BS.. Poverty and ignorance are staples of the black culture in this country along with crime. The culture is creating the problem, not the other way around.
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BS.. Poverty and ignorance are staples of the black culture in this country along with crime. The culture is creating the problem, not the other way around.
Socio-economic plays it's role too. IMO, the thug culture just makes it worse.
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Socioeconomic factors, broken families and poor decision making are the biggest factors, but the image of 'thug life' and cultural habits definitely make things worse and perpetuates the cycle and poor attitudes of many who are empoverished.
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Socioeconomic factors, broken families and poor decision making are the biggest factors, but the image of 'thug life' and cultural habits definitely make things worse and perpetuates the cycle and poor attitudes of many who are empoverished.
And poor decisions stem from ignorance. All these factors we describe do not have a color.
These are the causes that lead to ghetto environments. It's not about race, it's about the aforementioned factors
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And poor decisions stem from ignorance. All these factors we describe do not have a color.
These are the causes that lead to ghetto environments. It's not about race, it's about the aforementioned factors
I wouldn't say I lived in a ghetto area, but I lived damn close to one and still do. When I go south, I have to set foot in that area and believe me it's far different from what you'd call and ordinary slum. The ghetto isn't just a poor area; it's a poor area with tons of crime, people with no integrity, violence and a bunch of other stuff.
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I wouldn't say I lived in a ghetto area, but I lived damn close to one and still do. When I go south, I have to set foot in that area and believe me it's far different from what you'd call and ordinary slum. The ghetto isn't just a poor area; it's a poor area with tons of crime, people with no integrity, violence and a bunch of other stuff.
These may be the case, but the people in it do not represent a race or what one can expect of a race,
they represent what one can expect of those living in those circumstances. The crime, lack of integrity, violence, drugs, etc., that you cite, are all products of the poverty & ignorance, and mentality of the ghetto.
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True
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These may be the case, but the people in it do not represent a race or what one can expect of a race,
they represent what one can expect of those living in those circumstances. The crime, lack of integrity, violence, drugs, etc., that you cite, are all products of the poverty & ignorance, and mentality of the ghetto.
Wrong... I'm reminded daily of what I can expect from black americans.
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Wrong... I'm reminded daily of what I can expect from black americans.
and I'm constantly reminded of the pungent garbage comes out of the pie hole of racist pond scum like you
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and I'm constantly reminded of the pungent garbage comes out of the pie hole of racist pond scum like you
Silence mexicant..
Face it.. racism is just the truth that minorities don't want to hear. Don't worry buddy.. most latinos are alright.
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If you look at stastistics, read the paper, look around you, and use common sense, it is pretty obvious who is committing the majority of violent crime in America. I don't live in Canada or Europe so I can not comment on how things are there, but it it is very obvious what is happening here. It is not just socio-economic as the liberal apologists want to claim. There aren't huge amounts of so-called "trailer -trash" or poor whites joining gangs in record numbers..going around carjacking people, doing drive by shootings, killing each other just to steal an X-box or play station, spawning enormous amounts of illegitamate children, spreading AIDS at astronomical levels, rejecting education..rejecting the English language . These pathologies are very race specific. When people like Bill Cosby try to make comments on this, he is immediately castigated by the Black community as being a "Sellout". He is accused of "Acting White" because he chose to pursue a lucrative career. Imagine the blacks that marched in the 60's and fought for Civil Rights..how they must feel seeing their efforts squandered on the Underwear out of their pants, Grill sporting, retards that refuse to open a book or speak English and want nothing more to do than rob or kill people. They must feel sick to their stomach that they fought so hard,and now that everyone has opportunities that weren't available in the 60's, their race is representated by "Gangsta's" and idiots like Al Sharpton.
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If you look at stastistics, read the paper, look around you, and use common sense, it is pretty obvious who is committing the majority of violent crime in America. I don't live in Canada or Europe so I can not comment on how things are there, but it it is very obvious what is happening here. It is not just socio-economic as the liberal apologists want to claim. There aren't huge amounts of so-called "trailer -trash" or poor whites joining gangs in record numbers..going around carjacking people, doing drive by shootings, killing each other just to steal an X-box or play station, spawning enormous amounts of illegitamate children, spreading AIDS at astronomical levels, rejecting education..rejecting the English language . These pathologies are very race specific. When people like Bill Cosby try to make comments on this, he is immediately castigated by the Black community as being a "Sellout". He is accused of "Acting White" because he chose to pursue a lucrative career. Imagine the blacks that marched in the 60's and fought for Civil Rights..how they must feel seeing their efforts squandered on the Underwear out of their pants, Grill sporting, retards that refuse to open a book or speak English and want nothing more to do than rob or kill people. They must feel sick to their stomach that they fought so hard,and now that everyone has opportunities that weren't available in the 60's, their race is representated by "Gangsta's" and idiots like Al Sharpton.
Excellent post.
C'mon "bendhere do me".. I can't wait to hear what you say to this one.
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Silence mexicant..
Face it.. racism is just the truth that minorities don't want to hear. Don't worry buddy.. most latinos are alright.
i'm not mexican, dumb ass
you couldn't even silence a fart let alone me, peckerwood
as long as you are honest about being a racist I will continue to call you one at every opportunity
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If you look at stastistics, read the paper, look around you, and use common sense, it is pretty obvious who is committing the majority of violent crime in America. I don't live in Canada or Europe so I can not comment on how things are there, but it it is very obvious what is happening here. It is not just socio-economic as the liberal apologists want to claim. There aren't huge amounts of so-called "trailer -trash" or poor whites joining gangs in record numbers..going around carjacking people, doing drive by shootings, killing each other just to steal an X-box or play station, spawning enormous amounts of illegitamate children, spreading AIDS at astronomical levels, rejecting education..rejecting the English language . These pathologies are very race specific. When people like Bill Cosby try to make comments on this, he is immediately castigated by the Black community as being a "Sellout". He is accused of "Acting White" because he chose to pursue a lucrative career. Imagine the blacks that marched in the 60's and fought for Civil Rights..how they must feel seeing their efforts squandered on the Underwear out of their pants, Grill sporting, retards that refuse to open a book or speak English and want nothing more to do than rob or kill people. They must feel sick to their stomach that they fought so hard,and now that everyone has opportunities that weren't available in the 60's, their race is representated by "Gangsta's" and idiots like Al Sharpton.
You're not 100% wrong, but what you're saying is fully representative of what the White media (overall) wants you to think.
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peckerwood
Hypocrite
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You're not 100% wrong, but what you're saying is fully representative of what the White media (overall) wants you to think.
Even if the media (overall) is a bunch of scumbags.. he's not even 15% wrong.
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If you look at stastistics, read the paper, look around you, and use common sense, it is pretty obvious who is committing the majority of violent crime in America.
I don't live in Canada or Europe so I can not comment on how things are there, but it it is very obvious what is happening here. It is not just socio-economic as the liberal apologists want to claim.
There aren't huge amounts of so-called "trailer -trash" or poor whites joining gangs in record numbers..going around carjacking people, doing drive by shootings, killing each other just to steal an X-box or play station, spawning enormous amounts of illegitamate children, spreading AIDS at astronomical levels, rejecting education..rejecting the English language.
These pathologies are very race specific. When people like Bill Cosby try to make comments on this, he is immediately castigated by the Black community as being a "Sellout". He is accused of "Acting White" because he chose to pursue a lucrative career.
Imagine the blacks that marched in the 60's and fought for Civil Rights..how they must feel seeing their efforts squandered on the Underwear out of their pants, Grill sporting, retards that refuse to open a book or speak English and want nothing more to do than rob or kill people.
They must feel sick to their stomach that they fought so hard,and now that everyone has opportunities that weren't available in the 60's, their race is representated by "Gangsta's" and idiots like Al Sharpton.
It is only socio-economic.
But you do not seem to understand what this mean.
It means that the culture, the social structure of these minorities are dysfunctional.
That these social groups are inferior.
But it does NOT mean that they are RACIALLY inferior.
EG, if a random negro or latino family would incubate in typical caucasian neighborhood, there wouldn't be any of the problems typically associated with those ethnicities.
So it is a socio-economic construction.
Because the negros and the latinos comes from a democratically and socially weak history.
Don't forget that the negros were brought to USA as slaves only a couple of hundred years ago. No blacks that post on this board have a free past that is older than 100 years old.
And USA was segregated well into the 60's.
So STFU and look how the playing field can be leveled instead.
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From Katrina Hurricane to Music, everything it other people's fault ::)
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George Bush hates black people. :P
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So STFU and look how the playing field can be leveled instead.
Haha so I guess we should decrease the volatility to benefit everyone huh?
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From Katrina Hurricane to Music, everything it other people's fault ::)
Never said blacks and latinos can get a free pass.
But it is only total idiots who will say that socio economical aspects have nothing to do with it all.
And only idiots who will start yapping about socio economics, without a grasp on what it is.
I don't think it is necessary to be a pol science student to discuss these matters, but you should at least be able to admit when you're fcuking wrong. ::)
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From today's Palm beach Post, Florida newspaper..on the Scholastic Awards given out locally and statewide. Draw your own conclusions. Obviously education is not valued equally by all communities.
Tuesday, April 22, 2008
More than 1,000 of Palm Beach County's high school graduates were eligible last year for the top Bright Futures Scholarship award - full university tuition and fees, plus pocket cash for books and other college expenses.
Just 30 of those students were black. One hundred were Hispanic.Statewide, Bright Futures awards to minority, and particularly black high school graduates is no better, taking higher education out of reach for some students who may make the grades to get into college, but not to earn the wholly academic-based state scholarship. Data received from a Palm Beach Post public records request shows that white students are the overwhelming beneficiaries of Bright Futures Scholarships, with 67 percent of all awards in Palm Beach County going to them last year.
Palm Beach County's public high school population is 43 percent white, 30 percent black, and 21 percent Hispanic.
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Alicia is hot...
that is all.carry on.
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Agree with the beginning of your statement hedgehog...and the only true and honest way 'to even the playing field' is for those people to decide to change their self-limiting attitudes, poor decisionmaking, broken families, etc and start promoting good values, good family relationships and community support through focusing on education and acheivement as the way to better oneself. This is the way other immigrants and minority groups in the world have broken racial poverty trends.
I am all for improving access and the quality of education in the schools because thats essential IMO...but until the community and families themself see education and acheivement as a path for success and actively support it, its not going to happen in large enough #s in poor areas.
At minimum, minority communities need to stop glorifying the rap/gangsta rap image. Nearly everything about that image, its values, and its focus is contrary to honest success in the real world. Besides social and economic disadvantages, this is something they can directly control. Build the spirits and hope of the young people, don't make them bitter, materialistic, hateful, and lazy through poor role models.
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AMEN, Shootfighter.
I don't want to dog Brixton or Chemist out for feeling the way they do, but I hope that they'll read your words from a White man's perspective and take them to heart.
I'm lucky as hell and have never once discounted that reality. I'm from a hard-working, well-educated family with strong values, and that upbringing had a tremendous bearing on what I've become as an adult.
But without the opportunities afforded to me by a family that valued hard work and education, there is NO TELLING where I would be today, given that I grew up in a poor neighborhood that seemed to have almost a 60-40 mix of people who worked vs people who sat around collecting various forms of welfare, even though they seemed perfectly healthy to me.
I don't know how to solve all the situations in Black America, but I do know that all the money in the world cannot solve the problems that plague us.
And although I may bob my head to the beats from time-to-time, I agree wholeheartedly that we should abandon any and all things - including music - that do not promote self-love and the love of all people, especially those who look most like us.
But as long as Whites and Jews and Asians can turn huge profits from it, that type of music isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
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I'm a white man (too white these days, need some sun!) who likes to look at things through the eyes of others and for others. If more people can get to a place where they can think about others before themselves...or equal to themselves, we'd be in a much better place. We need to think of ourselves as Americans first, then the heritage of our ancestors. I have a lot of black friends who are nothing close to the above descriptions. Skin color is nothing but a pigment based on historical sun exposure. Maybe when I am reincarnated, I will be a black activist...hahaha.
Same here Tre, my family didn't have a ton of $ but were extremely supportive at times in my youth when it was needed. I was sometimes an angry kid and without their support and guidance, I probably wouldn't be where I am today. We need real parents and real role models. Its an uphill battle for any child without em.
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You're not 100% wrong, but what you're saying is fully representative of what the White media (overall) wants you to think.
I agree with some of the points he's made.
It doesn't stem from the media, but from subjective experience in dealing with that kinda stuff.
Even if certain people escape from poverty, they still do not change. Saying it's socio-economic is only half correct. It's basic attitude coupled with feelings of anger they ought to be directing at their own people.
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But as long as Whites and Jews and Asians can turn huge profits from it, that type of music isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
Uh huh.. where's the demand coming from? :D
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Too many kids of ALL races brixton. Tons of suburban kids love the rap image, they walk around and dress all gansta. Its laughable to me but I am now in my 30s so my opinion on youth fads means very little. I'd love to bring some of those kids to our MMA gym and teach them what real toughness is...and why most really tough people are confident but have some humility. Nothing like a good asskicking to change the way you think and treat others.