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Palin’s E-Mail Account Hacked, Published on Web Site
In the latest of a series of invasions into Sarah Palin’s personal life, hackers have broken into the Republican vice presidential candidate’s private e-mail account, and a widely read Web site has published screen grabs from it.
An article Wednesday in Gawker.com posts family photos and snapshots of e-mail exchanges the Alaska governor had with colleagues. Gawker says the-email account has since been shut down, but it will leave the images up on its site for all to see.
“Here are the screenshots of the emails saved before the account went dark, along with the contact list. It’s newsworthy and we will not be taking it down!” the site declares.
Rick Davis, campaign manager for John McCain, released a statement calling the publication a “shocking invasion of the governor’s privacy and a violation of law.”
“The matter has been turned over to the appropriate authorities and we hope that anyone in possession of these e-mails will destroy them. We will have no further comment,” Davis said.
The article boasts about the lengths to which the reporter went to verify the account, saying he or she even called a phone number listed for Palin’s teenage daughter, Bristol, which apparently went to her voicemail. The site also listed dozens of contact e-mails from the account.
Both WIRED and Gawker reported that members claiming to be with a group known as Anonymous took credit for hacking into Palin’s account. Screen grabs were published on other Web sites and then deleted, Gawker reported.
They reportedly came from a Yahoo e-mail account Palin uses — one separate from another private account that was publicized in The Washington Post last week.
Gawker complained that Palin has since “deleted” the account, and suggested she was trying to “destroy evidence.”
Palin has faced scrutiny for using her private account to do government business. The Washington Post reported last week that a local Republican activist is trying to get Palin to release more than 1,100 e-mails she withheld from a public records request. The appeal reportedly questions why Palin and her aides shift between public and private e-mail accounts.
A spokeswoman in the governor’s office in Alaska declined to comment Wednesday, referring questions from FOXNews.com to the McCain-Palin campaign.
“Primarily we’re referring people to the campaign because honestly people wouldn’t be asking these questions if she wasn’t a candidate for [vice president],” spokeswoman Kate Morgan said.
The Palin family was subjected to intense scrutiny after she was selected as John McCain’s running mate on Aug. 29. Reporters descended on her home town of Wasilla, Alaska, as the media focused on her unwed teenage daughter’s pregnancy.
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No dignity, no sense of moral values, no sense of ethics >:(
In the latest of a series of invasions into Sarah Palin’s personal life, hackers have broken into the Republican vice presidential candidate’s private e-mail account, and a widely read Web site has published screen grabs from it.
An article Wednesday in Gawker.com posts family photos and snapshots of e-mail exchanges the Alaska governor had with colleagues. Gawker says the-email account has since been shut down, but it will leave the images up on its site for all to see.
“Here are the screenshots of the emails saved before the account went dark, along with the contact list. It’s newsworthy and we will not be taking it down!” the site declares.
Rick Davis, campaign manager for John McCain, released a statement calling the publication a “shocking invasion of the governor’s privacy and a violation of law.”
“The matter has been turned over to the appropriate authorities and we hope that anyone in possession of these e-mails will destroy them. We will have no further comment,” Davis said.
The article boasts about the lengths to which the reporter went to verify the account, saying he or she even called a phone number listed for Palin’s teenage daughter, Bristol, which apparently went to her voicemail. The site also listed dozens of contact e-mails from the account.
Both WIRED and Gawker reported that members claiming to be with a group known as Anonymous took credit for hacking into Palin’s account. Screen grabs were published on other Web sites and then deleted, Gawker reported.
They reportedly came from a Yahoo e-mail account Palin uses — one separate from another private account that was publicized in The Washington Post last week.
Gawker complained that Palin has since “deleted” the account, and suggested she was trying to “destroy evidence.”
Palin has faced scrutiny for using her private account to do government business. The Washington Post reported last week that a local Republican activist is trying to get Palin to release more than 1,100 e-mails she withheld from a public records request. The appeal reportedly questions why Palin and her aides shift between public and private e-mail accounts.
A spokeswoman in the governor’s office in Alaska declined to comment Wednesday, referring questions from FOXNews.com to the McCain-Palin campaign.
“Primarily we’re referring people to the campaign because honestly people wouldn’t be asking these questions if she wasn’t a candidate for [vice president],” spokeswoman Kate Morgan said.
The Palin family was subjected to intense scrutiny after she was selected as John McCain’s running mate on Aug. 29. Reporters descended on her home town of Wasilla, Alaska, as the media focused on her unwed teenage daughter’s pregnancy.
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get into some actual policy facts my freind.
the Dow is having a metdown due mostly to a roll back of the regulations on investment banking.
Guess who voted that stuff in? Their party mascot is a large , 4 legged creature with big ears and long trunk.
McCain was quoted several times saying he was for LESS regulation was the biggest free trader around.
What part of "short selling" with no regulations do you not understand?
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Oh one more lil tid bit on the McCain deregulation record...
the Keeting 5 and Serbains/Oxley .....woops
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Here ya go Bud..........
The Real Culprits In This Meltdown
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 4:20 PM PT
Big Government: Barack Obama and Democrats blame the historic financial turmoil on the market. But if it's dysfunctional, Democrats during the Clinton years are a prime reason for it.
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Read More: Business & Regulation
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Obama in a statement yesterday blamed the shocking new round of subprime-related bankruptcies on the free-market system, and specifically the "trickle-down" economics of the Bush administration, which he tried to gig opponent John McCain for wanting to extend.
But it was the Clinton administration, obsessed with multiculturalism, that dictated where mortgage lenders could lend, and originally helped create the market for the high-risk subprime loans now infecting like a retrovirus the balance sheets of many of Wall Street's most revered institutions.
Tough new regulations forced lenders into high-risk areas where they had no choice but to lower lending standards to make the loans that sound business practices had previously guarded against making. It was either that or face stiff government penalties.
The untold story in this whole national crisis is that President Clinton put on steroids the Community Redevelopment Act, a well-intended Carter-era law designed to encourage minority homeownership. And in so doing, he helped create the market for the risky subprime loans that he and Democrats now decry as not only greedy but "predatory."
Yes, the market was fueled by greed and overleveraging in the secondary market for subprimes, vis-a-vis mortgaged-backed securities traded on Wall Street. But the seed was planted in the '90s by Clinton and his social engineers. They were the political catalyst behind this slow-motion financial train wreck.
And it was the Clinton administration that mismanaged the quasi-governmental agencies that over the decades have come to manage the real estate market in America.
As soon as Clinton crony Franklin Delano Raines took the helm in 1999 at Fannie Mae, for example, he used it as his personal piggy bank, looting it for a total of almost $100 million in compensation by the time he left in early 2005 under an ethical cloud.
Other Clinton cronies, including Janet Reno aide Jamie Gorelick, padded their pockets to the tune of another $75 million.
Raines was accused of overstating earnings and shifting losses so he and other senior executives could earn big bonuses.
In the end, Fannie had to pay a record $400 million civil fine for SEC and other violations, while also agreeing as part of a settlement to make changes in its accounting procedures and ways of managing risk.
But it was too little, too late. Raines had reportedly steered Fannie Mae business to subprime giant Countrywide Financial, which was saved from bankruptcy by Bank of America.
At the same time, the Clinton administration was pushing Fannie and her brother Freddie Mac to buy more mortgages from low-income households.
The Clinton-era corruption, combined with unprecedented catering to affordable-housing lobbyists, resulted in today's nationalization of both Fannie and Freddie, a move that is expected to cost taxpayers tens of billions of dollars.
And the worst is far from over. By the time it is, we'll all be paying for Clinton's social experiment, one that Obama hopes to trump with a whole new round of meddling in the housing and jobs markets. In fact, the social experiment Obama has planned could dwarf both the Great Society and New Deal in size and scope.
There's a political root cause to this mess that we ignore at our peril. If we blame the wrong culprits, we'll learn the wrong lessons. And taxpayers will be on the hook for even larger bailouts down the road.
But the government-can-do-no-wrong crowd just doesn't get it. They won't acknowledge the law of unintended consequences from well-meaning, if misguided, acts.
Obama and Democrats on the Hill think even more regulation and more interference in the market will solve the problem their policies helped cause. For now, unarmed by the historic record, conventional wisdom is buying into their blame-business-first rhetoric and bigger-government solutions.
While government arguably has a role in helping low-income folks buy a home, Clinton went overboard by strong-arming lenders with tougher and tougher regulations, which only led to lenders taking on hundreds of billions in subprime bilge.
Market failure? Hardly. Once again, this crisis has government's fingerprints all over it.
http://ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=306370789279709
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wtf? does this have to do with the war in Iraq policy or the economy?
No dignity, no sense of moral values, no sense of ethics >:(
In the latest of a series of invasions into Sarah Palin’s personal life, hackers have broken into the Republican vice presidential candidate’s private e-mail account, and a widely read Web site has published screen grabs from it.
An article Wednesday in Gawker.com posts family photos and snapshots of e-mail exchanges the Alaska governor had with colleagues. Gawker says the-email account has since been shut down, but it will leave the images up on its site for all to see.
“Here are the screenshots of the emails saved before the account went dark, along with the contact list. It’s newsworthy and we will not be taking it down!” the site declares.
Rick Davis, campaign manager for John McCain, released a statement calling the publication a “shocking invasion of the governor’s privacy and a violation of law.”
“The matter has been turned over to the appropriate authorities and we hope that anyone in possession of these e-mails will destroy them. We will have no further comment,” Davis said.
The article boasts about the lengths to which the reporter went to verify the account, saying he or she even called a phone number listed for Palin’s teenage daughter, Bristol, which apparently went to her voicemail. The site also listed dozens of contact e-mails from the account.
Both WIRED and Gawker reported that members claiming to be with a group known as Anonymous took credit for hacking into Palin’s account. Screen grabs were published on other Web sites and then deleted, Gawker reported.
They reportedly came from a Yahoo e-mail account Palin uses — one separate from another private account that was publicized in The Washington Post last week.
Gawker complained that Palin has since “deleted” the account, and suggested she was trying to “destroy evidence.”
Palin has faced scrutiny for using her private account to do government business. The Washington Post reported last week that a local Republican activist is trying to get Palin to release more than 1,100 e-mails she withheld from a public records request. The appeal reportedly questions why Palin and her aides shift between public and private e-mail accounts.
A spokeswoman in the governor’s office in Alaska declined to comment Wednesday, referring questions from FOXNews.com to the McCain-Palin campaign.
“Primarily we’re referring people to the campaign because honestly people wouldn’t be asking these questions if she wasn’t a candidate for [vice president],” spokeswoman Kate Morgan said.
The Palin family was subjected to intense scrutiny after she was selected as John McCain’s running mate on Aug. 29. Reporters descended on her home town of Wasilla, Alaska, as the media focused on her unwed teenage daughter’s pregnancy.
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I'd do her?
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wtf? does this have to do with the war in Iraq policy or the economy?
It obviously has nothing to do with it Howard........damn dude, I thought you were a teacher?
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you want to be a mod yet you constantly break forum rules ::)
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yes and who was president when they rolled back the regs on investment banks? Bush!
Who was president when they rolled back the regs on the sub prime mortgage market? Bush
Who had his sec of treasury ( Paul O'Neal) resign after two yrs because he refused to look at any economic triggers as an effective way to phase in major corporate tax breaks.? bush again
I could go on coach, but geeesh, talk in facts and actual legislation, etc,where do you get your political news? From Rush Limbeaugh LOL
Here ya go Bud..........
The Real Culprits In This Meltdown
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 4:20 PM PT
Big Government: Barack Obama and Democrats blame the historic financial turmoil on the market. But if it's dysfunctional, Democrats during the Clinton years are a prime reason for it.
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Read More: Business & Regulation
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Obama in a statement yesterday blamed the shocking new round of subprime-related bankruptcies on the free-market system, and specifically the "trickle-down" economics of the Bush administration, which he tried to gig opponent John McCain for wanting to extend.
But it was the Clinton administration, obsessed with multiculturalism, that dictated where mortgage lenders could lend, and originally helped create the market for the high-risk subprime loans now infecting like a retrovirus the balance sheets of many of Wall Street's most revered institutions.
Tough new regulations forced lenders into high-risk areas where they had no choice but to lower lending standards to make the loans that sound business practices had previously guarded against making. It was either that or face stiff government penalties.
The untold story in this whole national crisis is that President Clinton put on steroids the Community Redevelopment Act, a well-intended Carter-era law designed to encourage minority homeownership. And in so doing, he helped create the market for the risky subprime loans that he and Democrats now decry as not only greedy but "predatory."
Yes, the market was fueled by greed and overleveraging in the secondary market for subprimes, vis-a-vis mortgaged-backed securities traded on Wall Street. But the seed was planted in the '90s by Clinton and his social engineers. They were the political catalyst behind this slow-motion financial train wreck.
And it was the Clinton administration that mismanaged the quasi-governmental agencies that over the decades have come to manage the real estate market in America.
As soon as Clinton crony Franklin Delano Raines took the helm in 1999 at Fannie Mae, for example, he used it as his personal piggy bank, looting it for a total of almost $100 million in compensation by the time he left in early 2005 under an ethical cloud.
Other Clinton cronies, including Janet Reno aide Jamie Gorelick, padded their pockets to the tune of another $75 million.
Raines was accused of overstating earnings and shifting losses so he and other senior executives could earn big bonuses.
In the end, Fannie had to pay a record $400 million civil fine for SEC and other violations, while also agreeing as part of a settlement to make changes in its accounting procedures and ways of managing risk.
But it was too little, too late. Raines had reportedly steered Fannie Mae business to subprime giant Countrywide Financial, which was saved from bankruptcy by Bank of America.
At the same time, the Clinton administration was pushing Fannie and her brother Freddie Mac to buy more mortgages from low-income households.
The Clinton-era corruption, combined with unprecedented catering to affordable-housing lobbyists, resulted in today's nationalization of both Fannie and Freddie, a move that is expected to cost taxpayers tens of billions of dollars.
And the worst is far from over. By the time it is, we'll all be paying for Clinton's social experiment, one that Obama hopes to trump with a whole new round of meddling in the housing and jobs markets. In fact, the social experiment Obama has planned could dwarf both the Great Society and New Deal in size and scope.
There's a political root cause to this mess that we ignore at our peril. If we blame the wrong culprits, we'll learn the wrong lessons. And taxpayers will be on the hook for even larger bailouts down the road.
But the government-can-do-no-wrong crowd just doesn't get it. They won't acknowledge the law of unintended consequences from well-meaning, if misguided, acts.
Obama and Democrats on the Hill think even more regulation and more interference in the market will solve the problem their policies helped cause. For now, unarmed by the historic record, conventional wisdom is buying into their blame-business-first rhetoric and bigger-government solutions.
While government arguably has a role in helping low-income folks buy a home, Clinton went overboard by strong-arming lenders with tougher and tougher regulations, which only led to lenders taking on hundreds of billions in subprime bilge.
Market failure? Hardly. Once again, this crisis has government's fingerprints all over it.
http://ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=306370789279709
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you want to be a mod yet you constantly break forum rules ::)
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I was kidding, I could care less about being a mod on here. Was serious about the training and rehab though.
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How can you be certain that it wasn't her own people who did it?
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It obviously has nothing to do with it Howard........damn dude, I thought you were a teacher?
Exactly he has NOTHING to do with anything that matters regardless of who you support for pres!
1.tell me what you know about the effects of "short selling" in the current financial markets.????
2. Tell me what you know about McCain's involvement with the Keeting 5 and Serbains/Oxley?
Don't foget it was a new senator from Illinois ( Obama) that actually passed a bill for reformed regs on predatory loans.
The Bush crowd rammed thru a bankruptcy bill that made it possible for major corperations to sell off assets and pay the CEO's big final checks while they could rasie the rates on the avg slob like us as well as make it near impossible to file a chap 19.
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It obviously has nothing to do with it Howard........damn dude, I thought you were a teacher?
He's only a teacher so he can spend time with prepubescent teens. >:(
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Big rumblings this was a self-inflicted wound done by Rove to stop the free-fall in the polls.
In 1986, Karl Rove bugged his own candidate's office
From WIKI:
"1986 William Clements, Jr. gubernatorial campaign
In 1986, Rove helped Clements become governor a second time. In a strategy memo Rove wrote for his client prior to the race, now among Clements's papers in the Texas A&M University library, Rove quoted Napoleon: "The whole art of war consists in a well-reasoned and extremely circumspect defensive, followed by rapid and audacious attack."
In 1986, just before a crucial debate in campaign, Rove claimed that his office had been bugged by Democrats. The police and FBI investigated and discovered that the bug's battery was so small that it needed to be changed every few hours, and the investigation was dropped. Critics, including other Republican operatives, suspected Rove had bugged his own office to garner sympathy votes in the close governor's race."
In 2000, Karl Rove was suspected of having a videotape of George Bush's debate practice sent to Gore's offices
A Cheney low-level aide ultimately took the fall:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,998233...
In 2004, Karl Rove was suspected of setting up the whole fake TANG documents, otherwise known as "Rather-gate"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rathergate
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you want to be a mod yet you constantly break forum rules ::)
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It works for that idiot, Bluto. He's BY FAR the biggest abuser, and Ron let's him do what he wants, while modding.....
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IMO she has no right to do government buisness on a private account. she should have kept them seperated.
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Palin is even a bigger joke than Obama - when are you right wingers gonna figure this out? I listen to Hannity and Limbaugh every day try to build her up and act as if the "liberal media" won't lay off her for a second; they seem to forget that radio talk shows constitute media as well! Limbaugh probably has the biggest radio audience in the US. Palin can't answer any questions directly or with any specificity! She's a dingbat folks...don't be fooled into voting for someone because you feel sorry for them. McCain thought he was going to pull this little gimmick pick over on everyone - and now the public is discovering the truth about Palin - she's in controversy wherever she goes, even in a state like Alaska. Anyone with a semblance of an IQ will vote Obama over McCain. McCain and Palin are out of their minds.
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IMO she has no right to do government buisness on a private account. she should have kept them seperated.
How else can she maintain secrecy? Her philosophy is that she doesn't have to be accountable to anyone, and that government need not be transparent or accountable to the constituents.
How bloody f-ing irresponsible!!!
Conducting government business on a yahoo mail account? ::)
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/yawn
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/yawn
tired of seeing all the fuckups by your "team"
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Here ya go Bud..........
The Real Culprits In This Meltdown
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 4:20 PM PT
Big Government: Barack Obama and Democrats blame the historic financial turmoil on the market. But if it's dysfunctional, Democrats during the Clinton years are a prime reason for it.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Read More: Business & Regulation
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Obama in a statement yesterday blamed the shocking new round of subprime-related bankruptcies on the free-market system, and specifically the "trickle-down" economics of the Bush administration, which he tried to gig opponent John McCain for wanting to extend.
But it was the Clinton administration, obsessed with multiculturalism, that dictated where mortgage lenders could lend, and originally helped create the market for the high-risk subprime loans now infecting like a retrovirus the balance sheets of many of Wall Street's most revered institutions.
Tough new regulations forced lenders into high-risk areas where they had no choice but to lower lending standards to make the loans that sound business practices had previously guarded against making. It was either that or face stiff government penalties.
The untold story in this whole national crisis is that President Clinton put on steroids the Community Redevelopment Act, a well-intended Carter-era law designed to encourage minority homeownership. And in so doing, he helped create the market for the risky subprime loans that he and Democrats now decry as not only greedy but "predatory."
Yes, the market was fueled by greed and overleveraging in the secondary market for subprimes, vis-a-vis mortgaged-backed securities traded on Wall Street. But the seed was planted in the '90s by Clinton and his social engineers. They were the political catalyst behind this slow-motion financial train wreck.
And it was the Clinton administration that mismanaged the quasi-governmental agencies that over the decades have come to manage the real estate market in America.
As soon as Clinton crony Franklin Delano Raines took the helm in 1999 at Fannie Mae, for example, he used it as his personal piggy bank, looting it for a total of almost $100 million in compensation by the time he left in early 2005 under an ethical cloud.
Other Clinton cronies, including Janet Reno aide Jamie Gorelick, padded their pockets to the tune of another $75 million.
Raines was accused of overstating earnings and shifting losses so he and other senior executives could earn big bonuses.
In the end, Fannie had to pay a record $400 million civil fine for SEC and other violations, while also agreeing as part of a settlement to make changes in its accounting procedures and ways of managing risk.
But it was too little, too late. Raines had reportedly steered Fannie Mae business to subprime giant Countrywide Financial, which was saved from bankruptcy by Bank of America.
At the same time, the Clinton administration was pushing Fannie and her brother Freddie Mac to buy more mortgages from low-income households.
The Clinton-era corruption, combined with unprecedented catering to affordable-housing lobbyists, resulted in today's nationalization of both Fannie and Freddie, a move that is expected to cost taxpayers tens of billions of dollars.
And the worst is far from over. By the time it is, we'll all be paying for Clinton's social experiment, one that Obama hopes to trump with a whole new round of meddling in the housing and jobs markets. In fact, the social experiment Obama has planned could dwarf both the Great Society and New Deal in size and scope.
There's a political root cause to this mess that we ignore at our peril. If we blame the wrong culprits, we'll learn the wrong lessons. And taxpayers will be on the hook for even larger bailouts down the road.
But the government-can-do-no-wrong crowd just doesn't get it. They won't acknowledge the law of unintended consequences from well-meaning, if misguided, acts.
Obama and Democrats on the Hill think even more regulation and more interference in the market will solve the problem their policies helped cause. For now, unarmed by the historic record, conventional wisdom is buying into their blame-business-first rhetoric and bigger-government solutions.
While government arguably has a role in helping low-income folks buy a home, Clinton went overboard by strong-arming lenders with tougher and tougher regulations, which only led to lenders taking on hundreds of billions in subprime bilge.
Market failure? Hardly. Once again, this crisis has government's fingerprints all over it.
http://ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=306370789279709
Hey Coach, wake up and stop blaming political parties for the world's economic problems. Both are responsible for the mess we find ourselves in right now. To place blame on the Democratic party just shows how you're falling for the old division trick used by the people who are really in control. WAKE UP, WAKE UP, WAKE UP! All of these people are financed by the same people, the same companies. GET A CLUE! Stop falling for the big diversion from the real truth!
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This will actually help Palin tho, unless something seriously criminal is in the e-mail, sympathy will be with her on this kind of stunt. It's even possible it was set up to do exactly that.
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You know, McCain didn't just pick Palin up at a job fair or something... she is the Governor of a state for christ's sake. But let's look at Obama... prior to winning the Senate election two years ago (and all he's really done since getting there is "run for president") he was a state legislator in Illinois... that's not even a full-time gig! ::) His day job was being a "community organizer" which is the politically correct term for the guy who's always going on the news bitching about how the black man has been "wronged"... every city has at least one of these wingnuts. Of course, unlike Palin, Obama isn't running for VP... he wants to be President!
Honestly, if you think Palin is unqualified, so is Obama. Here's a thought: why don't we flush them both and vote "McCain/Biden" if you want experience.
Obama: Senator for 4 years, not two.
His day job was also lawyer for a firm, and lecturing Law, while working as a state senator. The community organizer thing was 3 years right after graduation.
He's way more prepared than Palin, but neither is great.
I think an Obama admin would restore faith in the Dollar again. The world sucks right now - Russia closed their stock market today, it was so bad.
IF Obama got in, the perception would be that there was change coming. And perception = confidence = everything rebounds.
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He tried both of these things for a very short time, and didn't do much.
You ever get a resume from someone who had a whole big long series of unrelated jobs, none lasting longer than a year or two? They aren't really good at getting anything done, but they talk a very good game so they manage to get hired and hang on for a while, and they're usually smart enough to feel when the end is near, so they always move on before they get fired.
That's Obama.
I can't disagree with you. But, if he knew he wanted to be a very young president, this is the resume he'd want to have at 47 years old, right? Over a decade of senate, he's taught law, he's worked law, but still has 'social credibility' from the time as an organizer? He used everything as a stepping stone.
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You know, McCain didn't just pick Palin up at a job fair or something... she is the Governor of a state for christ's sake. But let's look at Obama... prior to winning the Senate election two years ago (and all he's really done since getting there is "run for president") he was a state legislator in Illinois... that's not even a full-time gig! ::) His day job was being a "community organizer" which is the politically correct term for the guy who's always going on the news bitching about how the black man has been "wronged"... every city has at least one of these wingnuts. Of course, unlike Palin, Obama isn't running for VP... he wants to be President!
Honestly, if you think Palin is unqualified, so is Obama. Here's a thought: why don't we flush them both and vote "McCain/Biden" if you want experience.
Obama is relatively well-spoken and is very in tune with what is going on in the world around us. Palin hasn't the faintest idea. Palin is getting hammered right now with wrongdoings within her own state. When do these sort of things happen to Barack? Palin believes we are fighting a "Holy War." Barack wants to use diplomacy and work with other nations in pursuit of peace. Barack does not want to engage in military conflicts, McCain and Palin are ready to go to war with Russia. Palin doesn't even know what the Bush Doctrine is! I'm tired of hearing about her experience in Alaska. Alaska is a very small state population-wise. Let's see her win ANYTHING outside of such a state. She's been in office less than two years trying everything in her power to stave off this trooper investigation. She's making her daughter marry a guy who doesn't want anything to do with her kid and the prospect of having one. She can't handle any tough questions! She's lucky the McCain campaign has tried to hide her somewhat, as she would have spouted off even more ridiculousness and dug an even bigger hole than she has now!
As I said before, Barack is far from perfect, but he dances in circles around these two.
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in those town hall meetings... Palin is getting beat on by college kids asking questions.
When asked about her foreign policy experience, she just didn't answer the Q. She just ignored it. She talked about how if she is blessed enough to win, she'll be ready, and other simliar fluff.
She didn't answer why she's prepared. She just ignored it.
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Did you notice how many times she mentioned "Charlie" during the interview *cough* interrogation with Charlie Gibson? The poor lady looked as if wanted nothing more than to run for the hills. She doesn't know anything about anything.
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in those town hall meetings... Palin is getting beat on by college kids asking questions.
When asked about her foreign policy experience, she just didn't answer the Q. She just ignored it. She talked about how if she is blessed enough to win, she'll be ready, and other simliar fluff.
She didn't answer why she's prepared. She just ignored it.
I'm astounded by Palin's lack of ability to answer a political question. There's a certain skill to answering a tough question without giving a definitive answer. Clinton was an absolute master of this. Obama is pretty good. Palin and McCain are horrible beyond compare. It's amazing to watch them being grilled and not having the faintest idea as to how to respond. Bye bye GOP!
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Well, since he has zero executive experience overseeing an entire state's public employees, we'll never know. Legislators, unless they're taking bribes or soliciting gay sex in an airport bathroom, don't generally do much that has the opportunity to be scrutinized.
Obama may be educated and well spoken, but he has no experience as a leader of any size organization, let alone something as complex as a whole state employee base.
Hilarious! You state that Obama is educated and well spoken - yet don't think he will be able to run something as complex as a state? Dude, you're whacked! How do you think Barack Obama has been able to achieve all that he has so far? He's SUPER INTELLIGENT AND KNOWS HOW TO GET SUPPORT! He's exceptional enough to circumvent the traditional ways of garnering support to run for President. This should be applauded, not ridiculed.
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You're reaching Goatboy. Deep down, you know this Republican ticket is total garbage. What about Palin instills you with so much confidence?
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Being an effective leader of a large, complex organization requires a specific skill set, just being "intelligent" isn't enough. There are lots of very intelligent people who would make lousy executives.
By the way, the rest of the world is totally behind Barack. I (along with most Americans) are ready to start being friends again. I'm tired of all this "either your with us or with the terrorists" BS that's made us look like complete fools.
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Truthfully, I don't like any of the candidates, so it comes down to ideology. More often than not, no matter what the issue, government is the problem rather than the solution, and the larger the government gets in relation to the size of the total economy, the more freedom is diminished. If a Libertarian candidate had a shot at winning, I'd vote for him. Since that's not the case, I'll hold my nose and vote McCain as the lesser of the two evils.
I'm afraid ideology is completely lost in today's political environment. The Govt under this current admin is the largest in the history of our country. My candidate was Ron Paul. Unfortunately, Ron knows that today's political climate would never give him a real chance. Even if he did win somehow, he'd never be able to get rid of all the bureaucracy. Ron made his run based on ideals, not a real shot - otherwise he'd be running as a 3rd party candidate.
However, with the current candidates, I would have to vote for Obama. Barack gives us a fighting chance, at the very least. If McCain gets in, the war machine will continue on. We just can't keep engaging in these pointless wars. McCain is a continuation of the Neo con agenda - and anyone in a right frame of mind just can't let these folks have a crack at it.
Ok, forget about foreign policy, let's talk economics. If McCain had picked Romney, things might be much different. Although a flip-flopper (who isn't?), Mitt is BRILLIANT and knows how to run a business. The guy is a proven winner. Unfortunately, the money was backing McCain and Mitt never had a chance. In light of the Palin pick and McCain's age, I have to go with Barack.
Whether you want to talk about economics or foreign policy, the McCain/Palin ticket makes no sense.
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Relentless, you really think that Obama could run a state when his own district failed? Proves the left are delusional.
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Instead of continuing to tear down Barack, please enlighten us as to why McCain/Palin are a better choice. Give me a reason to think they are worth thinking about for more than 2 seconds as anything other than a complete travesty. You're basing your vote based off ideals that don't exist. And you call me delusional!? Come on my friend, it's not too late! Just because your parents/family/friends voted for Republicans their entire lives doesn't mean you have to. Let's be honest with ourselves and make an intelligent choice in this election. The Neocon agenda has done enough damage to last the rest of our lives. Let's give Barack a chance to show us what he can do.
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Well in all honesty my side of the family are libs (but dont know shit about politics exept what they read in the tabloids) my friends I would have to say are mostly conservative but one of my best friends is a liberal and was best man at my wedding, my wifes family are very conservative and 2 of my wifes cousins and her husband work directly for McCain and the rest of the side are predominantly conservative.
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This will actually help Palin tho, unless something seriously criminal is in the e-mail, sympathy will be with her on this kind of stunt. It's even possible it was set up to do exactly that.
Wow a conspiracy theory connected to Amercian politics, I wouldn't beleive it ::)
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Sorry my sarcasim is really kicking in tonight ;D
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Sorry my sarcasim is really kicking in tonight ;D
my bust, I saw that to late, but for record, I wasn't saying it was a conspiracy theory. Just that foul play shouldn't be ruled out.
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Relentless, you really think that Obama could run a state when his own district failed? Proves the left are delusional.
Please define precisely how the district "failed", and what Obama's role was in this failure.
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Hugo, please look to the facts. The emails were to one of her friends/co-workers about their frustrations with the media. This is not specific government business and there is absolutely nothing wrong with this. The crime is hacking into her personal email. This is a clear violation. Anyone caught doing this needs swift punishment. We cannot allow this to happen to anyone, particularly public officials.
I guess this is another reason why public officials should avoid emails.
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Hugo, please look to the facts. The emails were to one of her friends/co-workers about their frustrations with the media. This is not specific government business and there is absolutely nothing wrong with this. The crime is hacking into her personal email. This is a clear violation. Anyone caught doing this needs swift punishment. We cannot allow this to happen to anyone, particularly public officials.
I guess this is another reason why public officials should avoid emails.
try looking at I wasn't even talking about that angle. I'm not justifying this invasion ::) nothing of what I said was intended or even sounded like I was.
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It's funny how mccain is yelling about the need for justice with the broken law here -
Yet he is doing everything he can to stall the Troopergate investigation.
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Instead of continuing to tear down Barack, please enlighten us as to why McCain/Palin are a better choice. Give me a reason to think they are worth thinking about for more than 2 seconds as anything other than a complete travesty. You're basing your vote based off ideals that don't exist. And you call me delusional!? Come on my friend, it's not too late! Just because your parents/family/friends voted for Republicans their entire lives doesn't mean you have to. Let's be honest with ourselves and make an intelligent choice in this election. The Neocon agenda has done enough damage to last the rest of our lives. Let's give Barack a chance to show us what he can do.
You're using the Chris Matthews argument from "Hardball" yesterday. But, that's not how it works. The Democrats don't automatically get a shot, just because of the problems that have occured during over the last few years.
Your argument seems to be based, NOT because you believe Obama is better, but simply because you think he can't be much worse. If that's the case, let me remind you that Pelosi and crew, like Obama, were promising "change" left and right. They produced change alright, making things worse, hence the approval rating of the Democrat-controlled Congress' which is EVEN LOWER than that of President Bush.
It's Obama vs. McCain. Each man has to show why he belongs in the White House. Neither is entitled to it.
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It's funny how mccain is yelling about the need for justice with the broken law here -
Yet he is doing everything he can to stall the Troopergate investigation.
You forgot that the McCain campaign released the e-mails that support Palin's statement, that the commissioner who got canned did so, for insubordination regarding policies and other grievances that had NOTHING to do with her sister's ex-husband.
And, that guy himself even admitted that Gov. Palin NEVER ordered him to fire Wooten.
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so why is she fighting the investigation?
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tired of seeing all the fuckups by your "team"
Tired of liberals committing felonies.
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Pretty simple on this one folks , at this pt.
Apirl 23 , 2008 McCain was asked why he would be better than the 2 dems ( hillary and Obama) on the economy. He said;
" Anyone that wants to put more regulations on financial institutions does not know nmuch about the economy"
Sept 15 after the AIG metldown
" the fundamentals of this economy are still strong"
Based on his own words and policy on the economy McCain is a trainwreck
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No dignity, no sense of moral values, no sense of ethics >:(
In the latest of a series of invasions into Sarah Palin’s personal life, hackers have broken into the Republican vice presidential candidate’s private e-mail account, and a widely read Web site has published screen grabs from it.
An article Wednesday in Gawker.com posts family photos and snapshots of e-mail exchanges the Alaska governor had with colleagues. Gawker says the-email account has since been shut down, but it will leave the images up on its site for all to see.
“Here are the screenshots of the emails saved before the account went dark, along with the contact list. It’s newsworthy and we will not be taking it down!” the site declares.
Rick Davis, campaign manager for John McCain, released a statement calling the publication a “shocking invasion of the governor’s privacy and a violation of law.”
“The matter has been turned over to the appropriate authorities and we hope that anyone in possession of these e-mails will destroy them. We will have no further comment,” Davis said.
The article boasts about the lengths to which the reporter went to verify the account, saying he or she even called a phone number listed for Palin’s teenage daughter, Bristol, which apparently went to her voicemail. The site also listed dozens of contact e-mails from the account.
Both WIRED and Gawker reported that members claiming to be with a group known as Anonymous took credit for hacking into Palin’s account. Screen grabs were published on other Web sites and then deleted, Gawker reported.
They reportedly came from a Yahoo e-mail account Palin uses — one separate from another private account that was publicized in The Washington Post last week.
Gawker complained that Palin has since “deleted” the account, and suggested she was trying to “destroy evidence.”
Palin has faced scrutiny for using her private account to do government business. The Washington Post reported last week that a local Republican activist is trying to get Palin to release more than 1,100 e-mails she withheld from a public records request. The appeal reportedly questions why Palin and her aides shift between public and private e-mail accounts.
A spokeswoman in the governor’s office in Alaska declined to comment Wednesday, referring questions from FOXNews.com to the McCain-Palin campaign.
“Primarily we’re referring people to the campaign because honestly people wouldn’t be asking these questions if she wasn’t a candidate for [vice president],” spokeswoman Kate Morgan said.
The Palin family was subjected to intense scrutiny after she was selected as John McCain’s running mate on Aug. 29. Reporters descended on her home town of Wasilla, Alaska, as the media focused on her unwed teenage daughter’s pregnancy.
Cry about it. Probably had her password set as "sarah" or something stupid like that.
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Has anyone here been able to get a copy of these emails? They were spread all over the internet, but i think most of them have been taken down by the feds. 240 try and find these emails..
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"listen to god sarah" lol a bigger extremist than bin laden that bitch.
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"listen to god sarah" lol a bigger extremist than bin laden that bitch.
No shit. And the sad truth is that nearly all americans are like that: "god this, god that"
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"IMO she has no right to do government buisness on a private account. she should have kept them seperated." (Hugo)
This is the comment I was refering to Hugo. My rebuttle was to dispute that the info being shared was official government business. It was referencing general frustrations with the media & personal frustrations between individuals on a PRIVATE account.
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Additionally, what she wrote was not shocking in the least...actually shows us in a brief snapshot that her public and private character are pretty consistant.
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Obtaining that email and posting it makes you no better than the thief who stole it
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Obtaining that email and posting it makes you no better than the thief who stole it
It's all over the internet, smart ass ::)
If she can't even use a computer correctly, she deserves every bit of it.
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She got hacked because .... drum roll please... she used a non-secure private account to do govt business. Will she do the same as president?
More disturbing was her official emial account - she CC'd her husband all sorts of private govt emails. He was in the Gov office nonstop as first hubby. He was also a member of that alaska separation party, remember? One of their tenets is to infiltrate the other parties to further their independence agenda.
So, he was CC'd on lots of official business he had no business seeing. Their defense? "Todd printed things for her, but never read them." I'm not buying that.
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"IMO she has no right to do government buisness on a private account. she should have kept them seperated." (Hugo)
This is the comment I was refering to Hugo. My rebuttle was to dispute that the info being shared was official government business. It was referencing general frustrations with the media & personal frustrations between individuals on a PRIVATE account.
yea, I was just making that comment, it was not intended to justify the hacking, not at all.
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So what your telling me its ok she got hacked?? Ok I'll rephrase that, ANYONE who has obtained anypart of the contents of her computer are no better than the thief who stole it in the first place. Again, libs = no commonsense.
BTW, the FBI found out it was the son of some Democratic Congressmen from Tennessee....gee, imagine that, a Dem !!
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Palin Hacker’s Identity is Revealed
Richard Miniter
pajamasmedia.com (http://pajamasmedia.com)
The hacker is David Kernell, the 20-year old son of Mike Kernell, a Democrat and elected state representative in Tennessee, according to Nashville’s largest newspaper, the Tennessean.
I predict that the same crowd that said that Palin should have been able to control her 17-year old daughter will defend the 2o-year old hacker by saying no one can control their kids. At least they will be right once.
If State Rep. Kernell refuses to cooperate with the investigation, the story will get more interesting.
Still, it will be interesting to see what hacker David Kernell has to say for himself. Why did he do it? What did he think he would find? Does he think he did something wrong? Who introduced him to the Associated Press, which ran with the story? And why did they protect him, even after his father was willing to give him up?
There is a lot more to this story than has emerged so far. Hopefully some enterprising blogger will dig it out…
UPDATE: Terry Frank has screen shots of his facebook pages. Seems there might be a connection to the Obama campaign.
SECOND UPDATE: A well-informed Tennessee radio host Steve Gill told me this about the hacker’s dad: “He is an extremely left-wing Representative from Memphis who has been in the legislature 32 years and has never had any job other than professional politician.”
Makes you wonder what the dad’s role was, if any…
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So what your telling me its ok she got hacked?? Ok I'll rephrase that, ANYONE who has obtained anypart of the contents of her computer are no better than the thief who stole it in the first place. Again, libs = no commonsense.
BTW, the FBI found out it was the son of some Democratic Congressmen from Tennessee....gee, imagine that, a Dem !!
who? I didn't say that.
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BTW, the FBI found out it was the son of some Democratic Congressmen from Tennessee....gee, imagine that, a Dem !!
Statistically, Repubs and Dems both commit about 50% of the crime in America, right?
I mean, yesterday, some Republican named George stole 1.1 Trillion from me.