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Oh, brother. ::)
Vocal Few in Congress Keep Benghazi Issue Alive
MAY 7, 2014
Derek Willis
The 2012 Benghazi attack has become a rallying point for many conservative figures in the news media, but only a handful of Republicans in Congress have continued to call public attention to it. Just six members of the House and Senate mention it regularly in official statements.
All are Republican, and two lead the way. Representative Frank Wolf of Virginia has issued 27 news releases on the subject in the past year, and Martha Roby of Alabama has sent out 21. Mr. Wolf and Louie Gohmert of Texas have spoken about Benghazi the most in speeches on the House floor.
In the Senate, the Republican threesome of John McCain of Arizona, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire, who often speak from the same playbook on foreign policy, are among those who talk about Benghazi the most, along with fellow Republicans Susan Collins of Maine and Ted Cruz of Texas. Almost no Democrats in either chamber talk about Benghazi in official speeches or news releases, aside from a few members of the House and Senate intelligence committees.
When House Republican leaders announced that they would create a select committee to investigate the attack, dozens of conservatives praised the move in news releases. But for many of them, it was the first time they had mentioned the topic in official statements or on the House floor in months.
Mentions of Benghazi by lawmakers have ebbed and flowed during the past year, peaking around the anniversary of the Sept. 12 attacks and then falling away again. Between April 9 and April 29 this year, no news releases with Benghazi in the title were issued by members of Congress, the longest such absence for a year. A news release, being the official statement of the politician, is a good proxy for intensity of the politician’s sentiment.
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Stevens, Smith, Doherty, Woods
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Stevens, Smith, Doherty, Woods
George, Paul, Ringo, John
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George, Paul, Ringo, John
Typical leftist thug - those guys saved the lives of the other 40 or so people while that chooming waste of life went to bed before his party w Jay Z.
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Stevens, Smith, Doherty, Woods
Matthew, Mark, Luke, John
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Typical leftist thug - those guys saved the lives of the other 40 or so people while that chooming waste of life went to bed before his party w Jay Z.
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The problem with your little meme is, Bush didn't purposely set them up to die. Obama, Hillary and everyone else involved did. You don't think your little meme display wouldn't have been throw up to Bush. Face, your boy Obama all but pulled the trigger. Numbnuts.
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Look AD or Benny or whatever....for weeks the consulate and the security managers asked for extra security. Those requests went nowhere...Clinton's fault. After that...the fucking attack took hours....hours. No attempt at all was made to rescue or retaliate against the assholes who were doing the attack. AFRICOM had QRF ready to go. 10th group had a QRF ready to go....there was at least an A team Libya with air transport...ready to go. Obama not only did nothing...he wasn't around. Then after they blamed some bullshit utube video. Instead you attack Bush because facts and history are adult things and you are a fucking been no-where, done nothing retarded liberal. Stop posting Bush shit...your guy is an idiot and fucks up everything he touches.
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Look AD or Benny or whatever....for weeks the consulate and the security managers asked for extra security. Those requests went nowhere...Clinton's fault. After that...the fucking attack took hours....hours. No attempt at all was made to rescue or retaliate against the assholes who were doing the attack. AFRICOM had QRF ready to go. 10th group had a QRF ready to go....there was at least an A team Libya with air transport...ready to go. Obama not only did nothing...he wasn't around. Then after they blamed some bullshit utube video. Instead you attack Bush because facts and history are adult things and you are a fucking been no-where, done nothing retarded liberal. Stop posting Bush shit...your guy is an idiot and fucks up everything he touches.
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Gay as shit
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The problem with your little meme is, Bush didn't purposely set them up to die. Obama, Hillary and everyone else involved did. You don't think your little meme display wouldn't have been throw up to Bush. Face, your boy Obama all but pulled the trigger. Numbnuts.
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Hope this helps!
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Gay as shit
Its only gay if you want it to be. AND WE ALL KNOW HOW MUCH YOU WANT IT TO BE! ::) :-X
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Hope this helps!
bs - testimony already is that funding had zero to do w it.
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Gay as shit
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rofl... wonder how many dicks he's sucked in the Oval Office?
George Washington must be ashamed of us.
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The sad thing is tomorrow SoulC will start a thread about cutting spending. No accountability what so ever.
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The sad thing is tomorrow SoulC will start a thread about cutting spending. No accountability what so ever.
STFU twink - the funding at the embassy was already found to have no role in the staffing there.
More leftist failed talking points.
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rofl... wonder how many dicks he's sucked in the Oval Office?
George Washington must be ashamed of us.
Hej Roger,
How would you feel if Obama took opium?
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STFU twink - the funding at the embassy was already found to have no role in the staffing there.
More leftist failed talking points.
Okay The administration wanted the embassy people people to die because...?
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The problem with your little meme is, Bush didn't purposely set them up to die. Obama, Hillary and everyone else involved did. You don't think your little meme display wouldn't have been throw up to Bush. Face, your boy Obama all but pulled the trigger. Numbnuts.
Obama purposely set up the ambassador to die???..... ::)
Come on now Coach....really????
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Benny you have nothing do you..you have no response but to post pic's of the Barry...u can't debate. I want to beat 240 with a hammer but he debates...99% of the time without cutting and pasting anything. You have no idea what really happened there...you don't even know what the WH is saying...you don't understand how these things work.....so u paste bullshit.
Work....no but they failed and then they covered it up. They fucked up something and made sure nobody could find the truth so that Barry would have 4 more years to create havoc....thats criminal...maybe impeachable...but most certainly fucked up.
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His point is that they failed to do their jobs...security being one. Once that mistake occurred...they covered up the aftermath to ensure the continued political careers of both Hilary and Obama. Further you people can't admit barry fucked this one up...where was barry anyway...we know how much corn was in his shit on the night of Bin Laden's raid...this..nothing!
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Benny you have nothing do you..you have no response but to post pic's of the Barry...u can't debate. I want to beat 240 with a hammer but he debates...99% of the time without cutting and pasting anything. You have no idea what really happened there...you don't even know what the WH is saying...you don't understand how these things work.....so u paste bullshit.
Work....no but they failed and then they covered it up. They fucked up something and made sure nobody could find the truth so that Barry would have 4 more years to create havoc....thats criminal...maybe impeachable...but most certainly fucked up.
Why do you bother with that turd? He could care less how many bodies the .gov leaves in it's wake as long as Obama keeps giving out the free stuff.
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Stevens, Smith, Doherty, Woods
Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young
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I would just like to know where Barry was? Anyone got an answer, anyone, anyone?
By the way it is the job of the Marines to guard embassies not private security organizations, yet the president is cutting the Marines as I write this so how is he going to guard the embassies?
The differences in George and Barry is George owned up to the attacks and didn't try to cover them up, oh and his Secretary of State wasn't to tired to talk about it.
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Kazan...as ever your right. I would like him to defend his posts, thus proving he's not the complete retard we know him to be.
Rach..it was a consulate and not really a full staffed one. I wouldn't be surprised if they end up calling it something else when all this is over. Had that been a MARDET guarding the place the immediate outcome may have been the same but the Marines would have sent in dudes to help out. I know for a fact that a Marine unit operating in Africa conducting training with a friendly government was told to pack up and begin movement to an airfield for possible insertion into the area to help. A buddy was embedded with them and was told he was going...and to get himself a weapon. He was a reporter...former combat deployed grunt but still a reporter. It got turned off and he only figured out what had happened when he go back to civilization.
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Hej Roger,
How would you feel if Obama took opium?
The same as I do now. 8)
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The same as I do now. 8)
:)
You know why I'm asking right?
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Obama purposely set up the ambassador to die???..... ::)
Come on now Coach....really????
Fucken a right he did.
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:)
You know why I'm asking right?
Yeah, didn't fall for it.
I'm not Coach :D
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Yeah, didn't fall for it.
I'm not Coach :D
"you fucking genius"
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"you fucking genius"
rofl ;D
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rofl ;D
You need some "paying gigs".
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You need some "paying gigs".
haha
I ain't got no fucking microphone...
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Yeah, didn't fall for it.
I'm not Coach :D
Lol ;D
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O-thug and hitlery deserve prison over this
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STFU twink - the funding at the embassy was already found to have no role in the staffing there.
More leftist failed talking points.
Agreed. Just look at the staggering amount of tax dollars the Obamas waste on all of their bullshit family vacations and flying around on separate flights to the same places.
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Fox News's obsession with Benghazi makes the CNN fixation on the missing airplane look like a passing fancy.
CNN has actually stopped talking about the plane.
But you know that Fox isn't going to let go of Benghazi until after the 2016 election… at least.
They'll probably keep it up right through Hillary's second term. :D
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Still can't debate can u.....worried about Fox News instead. Must suck to have a media outlet not buying into the Obama bullshit huh
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Still can't debate can u.....worried about Fox News instead. Must suck to have a media outlet not buying into the Obama bullshit huh
There is a reason the left wants this to go away. Drag it out (rule #7). Ridicule and attack anyone who wants this investigate (Rule #4, 11).
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Still can't debate can u.....worried about Fox News instead. Must suck to have a media outlet not buying into the Obama bullshit huh
Nothing to "debate," you dumb bastard. ::)
Take it up with The Flat Earth Society...nobody else gives a shit.
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Nothing to "debate," you dumb bastard. ::)
Take it up with The Flat Earth Society...nobody else gives a shit.
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The families of 4 dead heroes gives a shit. So do many others who want to know what choombama was doing partying w Jay Z on the Ann of 9/11 while this was happening.
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No ur right...nobody who smokes Obama's pole cares..but the rest of us do. This was your guy dipshit...this wasn't some rightwing Bush hold over. He was an Obama guy trying to do his job and he was murdered along with his security detail while that piece of shit u call president did nothing. Of course u don't care...u've never done a thing for this country...ur another taker. Its ok I work so u don't have to.
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No ur right...nobody who smokes Obama's pole cares..but the rest of us do. This was your guy dipshit...this wasn't some rightwing Bush hold over. He was an Obama guy trying to do his job and he was murdered along with his security detail while that piece of shit u call president did nothing. Of course u don't care...u've never done a thing for this country...ur another taker. Its ok I work so u don't have to.
Something has been bothering me about this, either Woods or Doherty was using a laser designation. Why would you do that unless you were under the impression that an airstrike or some other form of support was inbound. Doesn't make sense...........
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Does anyone here really believe anything will come from this?
I just have no faith in things like this.
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Something has been bothering me about this, either Woods or Doherty was using a laser designation. Why would you do that unless you were under the impression that an airstrike or some other form of support was inbound. Doesn't make sense...........
They had a drone up....unarmed but I think they were hoping for some hellfire love. If there had been one armed drone strike the whole thing would have changed. The douchbags were a big fat target and after the ambassador was dead it was open season on those guys.
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Does anyone here really believe anything will come from this?
I just have no faith in things like this.
On the surface I think u'd be right but I think there is something there.....I think they think they have the admin by the balls and they want to lay out the story.
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They had a drone up....unarmed but I think they were hoping for some hellfire love. If there had been one armed drone strike the whole thing would have changed. The douchbags were a big fat target and after the ambassador was dead it was open season on those guys.
OK that makes sense, thanks
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The families of 4 dead heroes gives a shit. So do many others who want to know what choombama was doing partying w Jay Z on the Ann of 9/11 while this was happening.
Everyone was so upset that they went out and reelected President Obama in a landslide. ;)
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On the surface I think u'd be right but I think there is something there.....I think they think they have the admin by the balls and they want to lay out the story.
I'd love it.
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Everyone was so upset that they went out and reelected President Obama in a landslide. ;)
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Goddam it must be great to go through life as a retard..no worries...a diaper...Obama stickers...
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Goddam it must be great to go through life as a retard..no worries...a diaper...Obama stickers...
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The families of 4 dead heroes gives a shit. So do many others who want to know what choombama was doing partying w Jay Z on the Ann of 9/11 while this was happening.
Normally, you insist that they are just leaches suckling the government teat. Now, they are heroes?
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Not even your president. If he did, he wouldn't have had them killed.
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Goddam it must be great to go through life as a retard..no worries...a diaper...Obama stickers...
Careful, wouldn't want to piss off Sarah Palin now... She might start taking her feigned rage to the talk show circuit
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100% correct to investigate Benghazi attacks.
100% WRONG for Boehnner to try to "cash in"?
Benghazi Committee Backfires as Boehner Refuses to Answer Fundraising Email Questions
By: Jason Easley
Thursday, May, 8th, 2014, 2:10 pm
A sign that the latest House Republican Benghazi show investigation is backfiring grew when John Boehner refused to answer questions about why he won’t stop the Republicans from fundraising off of Benghazi.
Transcript:
Q: Four Americans died in Benghazi. Should the NRCC fundraise off of your efforts with the select committee?
Boehner: Our focus is on getting the answers to those families who lost their loved ones. Period.
Q: Should the NRCC, they’re fundraising off of it right now, is that a wise thing to do?
Boehner: Our focus is getting the truth for these four families and for the American people.
Q: You are very involved in the fundraising off of this. Why is that happening?
Boehner: Our focus is on getting the truth for the American people and these four families.
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100% correct to investigate Benghazi attacks.
100% WRONG for Boehnner to try to "cash in"?
Benghazi Committee Backfires as Boehner Refuses to Answer Fundraising Email Questions
By: Jason Easley
Thursday, May, 8th, 2014, 2:10 pm
A sign that the latest House Republican Benghazi show investigation is backfiring grew when John Boehner refused to answer questions about why he won’t stop the Republicans from fundraising off of Benghazi.
Transcript:
Q: Four Americans died in Benghazi. Should the NRCC fundraise off of your efforts with the select committee?
Boehner: Our focus is on getting the answers to those families who lost their loved ones. Period.
Q: Should the NRCC, they’re fundraising off of it right now, is that a wise thing to do?
Boehner: Our focus is getting the truth for these four families and for the American people.
Q: You are very involved in the fundraising off of this. Why is that happening?
Boehner: Our focus is on getting the truth for the American people and these four families.
FINALLY SOMEONE IS LOOKING INTO THIS FOR THE RIGHT REASONS.
Seriously though, does that transcript not send chills up your spine? he gives no fucks at all, he is a stepford congressman. He couldn't give a sweet fuck about those that died, he is looking to profit. He is a girl.
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Boehner. Fundraising off of the investigation. Sickening.
Remove his ass from the investigation and bring in people who aren't cashing in BEFORE THE INVESTIGATION EVEN STARTS.
And yes, if ANY dems did this on 9/11/2001 investigation, please post it so we can trash them for it as well (before some ignorant fck comes up with "oh, dems did this a bunch in 2003" - share it if they did, don't just guess).
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They had a drone up....unarmed but I think they were hoping for some hellfire love. If there had been one armed drone strike the whole thing would have changed. The douchbags were a big fat target and after the ambassador was dead it was open season on those guys.
This isn't rambo you fucking tard, they aren't sendin a drone in on limited info, having no idea what weapons/ground was, nor how many civilians were involved. They also had very limited time. Send in a drone, drop a few bombs in a foreign country, no big deal. An embassy could be torched and that wouldn't happen, it's not the US, embassies are risky as fuck, particularly in the aftermentioned area.
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This isn't rambo you fucking tard, they aren't sendin a drone in on limited info, having no idea what weapons/ground was, nor how many civilians were involved. They also had very limited time. Send in a drone, drop a few bombs in a foreign country, no big deal. An embassy could be torched and that wouldn't happen, it's not the US, embassies are risky as fuck, particularly in the aftermentioned area.
Yet - O-chooms sends in drones on weddings all the time and you never say shit . . . . .
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Yet - O-chooms sends in drones on weddings all the time and you never say shit . . . . .
Planned? or on a whim like benghazi? there is a difference between a volatile situation and a co-ordinated strike.
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Planned? or on a whim like benghazi? there is a difference between a volatile situation and a co-ordinated strike.
We all have our own theories on O-drone blasting weddings into kingdom come . . . . ;D
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Yet - O-chooms sends in drones on weddings all the time and you never say shit . . . . .
suddenly you're worried about the USA dropping bombs in other countries?
lol come on lib... I thought most conservatives were of the "kill em all!" mindset?
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suddenly you're worried about the USA dropping bombs in other countries?
lol come on lib... I thought most conservatives were of the "kill em all!" mindset?
Nonsense - I don't believe in this reckless approach. It creates more issues than it solves and can be done to us in the future as well.
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Nonsense - I don't believe in this reckless approach. It creates more issues than it solves and can be done to us in the future as well.
Ok, so are you done with this shit now? nothing to see bro, it sucks but you are letting your hate get in the way of reason. You are a 9/11 truther on this.
What seperates this issue from previous attacks? what is so special about this one that another investigation need be done? what questions aren't answered reasonably?
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Ok, so are you done with this shit now? nothing to see bro, it sucks but you are letting your hate get in the way of reason. You are a 9/11 truther on this.
What seperates this issue from previous attacks? what is so special about this one that another investigation need be done? what questions aren't answered reasonably?
I want to know who came up w the idea that it was the video and why they kept on that fake story for months on end.
I want to know why HITLERY didn't give the security they were begging for,.
I want to know why hitlery lied to the families at Dpver AFB
I want to know what O-FAG was doing that night during the attack.
I want to know why after the attack and still to this day - still nothing has been done to get the terrorists.
etc etc etc
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I want to know who came up w the idea that it was the video and why they kept on that fake story for months on end.
I want to know why HITLERY didn't give the security they were begging for,.
I want to know why hitlery lied to the families at Dpver AFB
I want to know what O-FAG was doing that night during the attack.
I want to know why after the attack and still to this day - still nothing has been done to get the terrorists.
etc etc etc
Anything else?
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Anything else?
Yes - why didn't o-twink even TRY to help the people despite the fact that it was 7 hours firefight.
Why didn't the WH release the emails till only this month proving they were lying?
Why didn't o-fag cancel the fundraiser the next day w Jay z
Is Obama still on chooms?
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Lets look at point 1 libs......
It started at 3:40 east coast time 9:40 local. That's plenty of time to get people together in DC.
Between 125 and 150 gunmen. That's a big target and easily cannot be explained as a random group of dudes.
Fight ended sometime that next morning......past 5AM local time.
Just after midnight, an attack on the CIA annex began, which included machine gun, rocket and mortar fire. The CIA defenses held off the attack until the morning of September 12.[26]:45–46 Early in the morning, Libyan government forces met up with a group of Americans (reinforcements from Tripoli including Glen Doherty that had arrived at the Benghazi airport. The team, which included two active-duty JSOC operators and five CIA personnel, had commandeered a small jet in Tripoli by paying the pilots $30,000 and forcing them to fly the team to Benghazi. After being held up at the airport for a few hours, the Libyan forces and newly arrived Americans went to the CIA annex at about 5:00am to assist in transporting approximately 32 Americans at the annex back to the airport for evacuation. Minutes after they drove through the gates, the annex came under heavy fire.
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LOL @ anyone who gives a shit about benghazi but ignored all the holes in the 911 story.
if this is you, then you're a fcking partisan idiot.
if you support investigating each, then you're smart.
if you support investigating neither, keep your head buried in the sand.
it's so funny... the voices screaming about obama ignoring an attack that were very different when an (R) was in power.
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Um.....one is some wingnut conspiracy that's been debunked point by point for years..... the other is gross incompetence by a guy or team that's far in over their heads. The conspiracy is their half assed attempt to blame some friggen utube video. This isn't even remotely the same.
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Lets look at point 1 libs......
It started at 3:40 east coast time 9:40 local. That's plenty of time to get people together in DC.
Between 125 and 150 gunmen. That's a big target and easily cannot be explained as a random group of dudes.
Fight ended sometime that next morning......past 5AM local time.
Just after midnight, an attack on the CIA annex began, which included machine gun, rocket and mortar fire. The CIA defenses held off the attack until the morning of September 12.[26]:45–46 Early in the morning, Libyan government forces met up with a group of Americans (reinforcements from Tripoli including Glen Doherty that had arrived at the Benghazi airport. The team, which included two active-duty JSOC operators and five CIA personnel, had commandeered a small jet in Tripoli by paying the pilots $30,000 and forcing them to fly the team to Benghazi. After being held up at the airport for a few hours, the Libyan forces and newly arrived Americans went to the CIA annex at about 5:00am to assist in transporting approximately 32 Americans at the annex back to the airport for evacuation. Minutes after they drove through the gates, the annex came under heavy fire.
Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?
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Benghazi Commission: The End Of Hillary Clinton’s Political Career
Story Leak blog ^ | May 11, 2014 | Michael Thomas
Posted on 5/13/2014 3:28:24 AM by 2ndDivisionVet
There are very ‘good’ reasons why the House Democrats are making threats of boycotting the recently approved commission on the Benghazi attack. All of them know that President Obama and the Secretary of State at the time, Hillary Clinton, did not properly discharge their duties during the attack.
“Unforeseen consequences” and “unpredictable twists and turns” had nothing to do with her failure to secure the compound or to send adequate security to protect it. Rather, she got every sort of warning from her own ambassador, the State Department, the CIA and the Defense Department. She just failed to act on them.”[1] . Four Americans may have died needlessly including John Christopher Stevens, an American diplomat and lawyer who served as the U.S. Ambassador to Libya from June 2012 to September 12, 2012. His death was not only a humiliating defeat for the USA, it was a violent spectacle which most Americans do not understand how it could have happened.
Happen it did on Hillary Clinton’s watch, a prospective presidential candidate who just could become the Commander-in Chief. Her reaction to cross examination during the first Senate inquiry by Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) is perhaps the best evidence that something very wrong happened during that fateful evening of September 11, 2012. Her behavior does not seem to be demonstrative of a future leader of the US Armed Forces. The following YouTube video captures the heart of her testimony which will surely come back to haunt her for years to come.
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Anyone watching this video can easily see the dissembling and evasion by which Secretary Clinton answered the questions put forth to her. Many of her former Senate colleagues were mortified by her conduct in light of the seriousness of the investigation. The Republican side is now fully aware that evidence exists which will incriminate Ms. Clinton in the mishandling of the whole affair. And that the ensuing cover-up is always what does the most political damage.
The Benghazi debacle is much more serious than the media has reported.
Time does have a way of revealing the truth of the matter, and the slow drip of Benghazi revelations will only increase until the midterm elections. Because Ms. Clinton has not come clean since the very beginning, she now sits in a very awkward and vulnerable position. How so?
Any political pundit would objectively observe that Ms. Clinton, based on all the information that is available in the public domain, appears to be guilty of criminal neglect in her capacity of Secretary of State. That verdict is based on the fact that the predicament was allowed to occur in the first place. Simply put, a US Ambassador’s many solicitations for protection were ignored by his boss in DC.
“When you read the various pieces and bits of information she received in the weeks and months prior to the attack, it is hard to see how they could have been any more blunt or explicit in warning of the likelihood of future terror attacks in Benghazi.”[1] . And that is the best case scenario for Secretary Clinton. The worst case is where she and her office ignored every plea for help up to and including the night of the attack on the American diplomatic mission at Benghazi, in Libya. Someone going even so far as to order available units to stand down makes this situation even worse.
Of course, the cover-up is where things have really gotten messy for Secretary Clinton. Which is why her Republican inquisitors are so determined to get to the bottom of things. They can only tolerate so much obfuscation, non-compliance and irresponsible behavior on the part of the White House before the American people start to call them on it. The longer this whole sordid affair drags on, the worse it’s going to be for everyone involved in the Obama Adminstration, especially Hillary Clinton.
Benghazi Hearing Promises to be Clinton’s Political Waterloo
As an aspiring presidential nominee, candidate Clinton will necessarily be held up to a much higher standard than she has been in her previous roles. Her stint at State is the only one she can point to as demonstrating her abilities to handle foreign affairs. In light of President Obama’s string of foreign affair fiascos, she will be hard-pressed to bring the necessary gravitas to the role of president in this particular regard.
Even for diehard Democrats, there is the distinct sentiment that Ms Clinton is not up to the task. Her responses to so many challenges, both personal and political, over the years reveal a woman who is often petty, vindictive and unaccountable. Truly, her place in the White House is as an ex First Lady who gave it her best.
“For Clinton now to say that she did the best she could on the basis of “imperfect information” and to blame the tragic outcome on “unforeseen consequences and unpredictable twists and turns” is such an act of distortion of the record that it takes one’s breath away.”[1] . Ms. Clinton ought to look at the Benghazi hearing as an opportunity to listen to the many reasons she should not even consider running for president. Undoubtedly, she will hear things that will embarrass her and her office at State. Truly, so many things happened that should not have under her watch. Just as many things did not occur in Benghazi that should have for the protection of four Americans who died.
Things have made much worse by the White House response.
Subsequent attempts to acquire pertinent correspondence from the White House about the Benghazi attack and US Government response have been met with continual stonewalling and denial. The Press Secretary has lost all credibility with the both the Press Corp and the public. The key players have only acted in a way which would lead those investigating this serious matter that a full scale cover-up has been operative since day one.
At the end of the day, both Secretary Clinton and President Obama will be held directly responsible for this cover-up, as well as the obvious negligence up to and including the attacks. Each ought to be held accountable for their actions by the Congress and the Mainstream Media (MSM). Unfortunately the MSM has both supported Secretary Clinton’s narrative and enabled her reprehensible conduct at every turn.
However, with the midterm elections around the corner pointing to a GOP landslide, the political chessboard is about to be rearranged in a way that will not bode well for Candidate Clinton. The US electorate is not so clueless that they would elect a nominee who has baggage of this serious nature. Truly, the whole Benghazi affair does not reflect well on anyone in the Obama Administration, especially the Secretary of State.
The question remains: Does Hillary Clinton understand that the powers that be are using the Benghazi Commission to send her a message? Perhaps she will get it before her first answers are rendered before a congressional inquiry that promises to be bigger and badder than Watergate. How do you spell C O V E R – U P ?
Benghazigate — here we come!
Michael Thomas May 10, 2014 StateoftheNation2012.com
Author’s Note:
When the New York Times publishes an article that goes by the title: Forget Benghazi. Clinton’s Real Problem Is Obama Fatigue., you know that Hillary Clinton has some problems – real problems. The MSM knows just how hard they have had to work to cover for the Obama Administration. The truth be told, the MSM has carried more water for Obama and his appointees than any other administration in US history. That has to be exhausting when there is so darn much to cover up on a daily basis.
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Benghazi Commission: The End Of Hillary Clinton’s Political Career
Story Leak blog ^ | May 11, 2014 | Michael Thomas
Posted on 5/13/2014 3:28:24 AM by 2ndDivisionVet
There are very ‘good’ reasons why the House Democrats are making threats of boycotting the recently approved commission on the Benghazi attack. All of them know that President Obama and the Secretary of State at the time, Hillary Clinton, did not properly discharge their duties during the attack.
“Unforeseen consequences” and “unpredictable twists and turns” had nothing to do with her failure to secure the compound or to send adequate security to protect it. Rather, she got every sort of warning from her own ambassador, the State Department, the CIA and the Defense Department. She just failed to act on them.”[1] . Four Americans may have died needlessly including John Christopher Stevens, an American diplomat and lawyer who served as the U.S. Ambassador to Libya from June 2012 to September 12, 2012. His death was not only a humiliating defeat for the USA, it was a violent spectacle which most Americans do not understand how it could have happened.
Happen it did on Hillary Clinton’s watch, a prospective presidential candidate who just could become the Commander-in Chief. Her reaction to cross examination during the first Senate inquiry by Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) is perhaps the best evidence that something very wrong happened during that fateful evening of September 11, 2012. Her behavior does not seem to be demonstrative of a future leader of the US Armed Forces. The following YouTube video captures the heart of her testimony which will surely come back to haunt her for years to come.
(VIDEO-AT-LINK)
Anyone watching this video can easily see the dissembling and evasion by which Secretary Clinton answered the questions put forth to her. Many of her former Senate colleagues were mortified by her conduct in light of the seriousness of the investigation. The Republican side is now fully aware that evidence exists which will incriminate Ms. Clinton in the mishandling of the whole affair. And that the ensuing cover-up is always what does the most political damage.
The Benghazi debacle is much more serious than the media has reported.
Time does have a way of revealing the truth of the matter, and the slow drip of Benghazi revelations will only increase until the midterm elections. Because Ms. Clinton has not come clean since the very beginning, she now sits in a very awkward and vulnerable position. How so?
Any political pundit would objectively observe that Ms. Clinton, based on all the information that is available in the public domain, appears to be guilty of criminal neglect in her capacity of Secretary of State. That verdict is based on the fact that the predicament was allowed to occur in the first place. Simply put, a US Ambassador’s many solicitations for protection were ignored by his boss in DC.
“When you read the various pieces and bits of information she received in the weeks and months prior to the attack, it is hard to see how they could have been any more blunt or explicit in warning of the likelihood of future terror attacks in Benghazi.”[1] . And that is the best case scenario for Secretary Clinton. The worst case is where she and her office ignored every plea for help up to and including the night of the attack on the American diplomatic mission at Benghazi, in Libya. Someone going even so far as to order available units to stand down makes this situation even worse.
Of course, the cover-up is where things have really gotten messy for Secretary Clinton. Which is why her Republican inquisitors are so determined to get to the bottom of things. They can only tolerate so much obfuscation, non-compliance and irresponsible behavior on the part of the White House before the American people start to call them on it. The longer this whole sordid affair drags on, the worse it’s going to be for everyone involved in the Obama Adminstration, especially Hillary Clinton.
Benghazi Hearing Promises to be Clinton’s Political Waterloo
As an aspiring presidential nominee, candidate Clinton will necessarily be held up to a much higher standard than she has been in her previous roles. Her stint at State is the only one she can point to as demonstrating her abilities to handle foreign affairs. In light of President Obama’s string of foreign affair fiascos, she will be hard-pressed to bring the necessary gravitas to the role of president in this particular regard.
Even for diehard Democrats, there is the distinct sentiment that Ms Clinton is not up to the task. Her responses to so many challenges, both personal and political, over the years reveal a woman who is often petty, vindictive and unaccountable. Truly, her place in the White House is as an ex First Lady who gave it her best.
“For Clinton now to say that she did the best she could on the basis of “imperfect information” and to blame the tragic outcome on “unforeseen consequences and unpredictable twists and turns” is such an act of distortion of the record that it takes one’s breath away.”[1] . Ms. Clinton ought to look at the Benghazi hearing as an opportunity to listen to the many reasons she should not even consider running for president. Undoubtedly, she will hear things that will embarrass her and her office at State. Truly, so many things happened that should not have under her watch. Just as many things did not occur in Benghazi that should have for the protection of four Americans who died.
Things have made much worse by the White House response.
Subsequent attempts to acquire pertinent correspondence from the White House about the Benghazi attack and US Government response have been met with continual stonewalling and denial. The Press Secretary has lost all credibility with the both the Press Corp and the public. The key players have only acted in a way which would lead those investigating this serious matter that a full scale cover-up has been operative since day one.
At the end of the day, both Secretary Clinton and President Obama will be held directly responsible for this cover-up, as well as the obvious negligence up to and including the attacks. Each ought to be held accountable for their actions by the Congress and the Mainstream Media (MSM). Unfortunately the MSM has both supported Secretary Clinton’s narrative and enabled her reprehensible conduct at every turn.
However, with the midterm elections around the corner pointing to a GOP landslide, the political chessboard is about to be rearranged in a way that will not bode well for Candidate Clinton. The US electorate is not so clueless that they would elect a nominee who has baggage of this serious nature. Truly, the whole Benghazi affair does not reflect well on anyone in the Obama Administration, especially the Secretary of State.
The question remains: Does Hillary Clinton understand that the powers that be are using the Benghazi Commission to send her a message? Perhaps she will get it before her first answers are rendered before a congressional inquiry that promises to be bigger and badder than Watergate. How do you spell C O V E R – U P ?
Benghazigate — here we come!
Michael Thomas May 10, 2014 StateoftheNation2012.com
Author’s Note:
When the New York Times publishes an article that goes by the title: Forget Benghazi. Clinton’s Real Problem Is Obama Fatigue., you know that Hillary Clinton has some problems – real problems. The MSM knows just how hard they have had to work to cover for the Obama Administration. The truth be told, the MSM has carried more water for Obama and his appointees than any other administration in US history. That has to be exhausting when there is so darn much to cover up on a daily basis.
ya all the evidence of cover ups is piling up dude. good job you cracked the case.
you are on a witch hunt, keep going you will end up looking like an idiot as usual.
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I hope benghazi investigation is about one thing - finding out what happened and who let it happen.
Not "fundraising" and "stop hilary 2016".
Cause when I see Boehnner FUNDRAISING off of this... and I see people saying "don't blame obama, he's already out of office in 2 years, let's blame HILARY for everything!"
As much as Hilary sucks - She wasn't the one making that call that day. We know it was Obama. You can't just shift blame down 2 levels because it helps you more politically.
I want to see an investigation because brave americans died, and maybe because obama didn't want a mess right before elections. Anyone who is chasing an investigation because they hate hilary or to raise $ to get more house seats - they can eat a d1ck, post haste.
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This isn't rambo you fucking tard, they aren't sendin a drone in on limited info, having no idea what weapons/ground was, nor how many civilians were involved. They also had very limited time. Send in a drone, drop a few bombs in a foreign country, no big deal. An embassy could be torched and that wouldn't happen, it's not the US, embassies are risky as fuck, particularly in the aftermentioned area.
It would appear you don't understand combat in the 21sts century....have ever served...ever called in a drone or airstrike...understand how a drone works...ever sat and watched a hellfire armed drone attack a target...or a lot of other shit about what happened in Libya.
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I hope benghazi investigation is about one thing - finding out what happened and who let it happen.
Not "fundraising" and "stop hilary 2016".
Cause when I see Boehnner FUNDRAISING off of this... and I see people saying "don't blame obama, he's already out of office in 2 years, let's blame HILARY for everything!"
As much as Hilary sucks - She wasn't the one making that call that day. We know it was Obama. You can't just shift blame down 2 levels because it helps you more politically.
I want to see an investigation because brave americans died, and maybe because obama didn't want a mess right before elections. Anyone who is chasing an investigation because they hate hilary or to raise $ to get more house seats - they can eat a d1ck, post haste.
Hilary's fault would be to not secure the consulate with more security...if she had any part of that decision then that limited part is on her. The rest is all Obama...would be interesting if she spoke with Barry to get something done and he blew her off.
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Hillary helped cover it up
I hope benghazi investigation is about one thing - finding out what happened and who let it happen.
Not "fundraising" and "stop hilary 2016".
Cause when I see Boehnner FUNDRAISING off of this... and I see people saying "don't blame obama, he's already out of office in 2 years, let's blame HILARY for everything!"
As much as Hilary sucks - She wasn't the one making that call that day. We know it was Obama. You can't just shift blame down 2 levels because it helps you more politically.
I want to see an investigation because brave americans died, and maybe because obama didn't want a mess right before elections. Anyone who is chasing an investigation because they hate hilary or to raise $ to get more house seats - they can eat a d1ck, post haste.
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Hillary helped cover it up
In that case, let's convict obama AND her.
But if they go after hilary for not talking about what her boss ordered, and obama skates, that's weak soup bro.
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In that case, let's convict obama AND her.
But if they go after hilary for not talking about what her boss ordered, and obama skates, that's weak soup bro.
O-selfie is not getting impeached at this point. He could rape a dog on the WH lawn and his cult of scum would support it. The best we can do is expose his crimes and treason, hobble his admn for the rest of his term, end Hillary's WH bid, etc.
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O-selfie is not getting impeached at this point. He could rape a dog on the WH lawn and his cult of scum would support it. The best we can do is expose his crimes and treason, hobble his admn for the rest of his term, end Hillary's WH bid, etc.
Bullshit. All the way bullshit. Don't try to impeach - conduct a full trial and list the crimes he has committed, and the crimes that hilary has committed.
The MINUTE you decide to even say "We can use the deaths of these 4 people to stop hilary in 2016", you are on the wrong side of this. THIS is why the libs ignore benghazi - because SOME on the right are making it about politics.
Sickens me the same way many defended 9/11/2001 official story (completely idiotic official story) because it had an (R) attached, and the people that wanted an investigation because it hurt repubs.
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Bullshit. All the way bullshit. Don't try to impeach - conduct a full trial and list the crimes he has committed, and the crimes that hilary has committed.
The MINUTE you decide to even say "We can use the deaths of these 4 people to stop hilary in 2016", you are on the wrong side of this. THIS is why the libs ignore benghazi - because SOME on the right are making it about politics.
Sickens me the same way many defended 9/11/2001 official story (completely idiotic official story) because it had an (R) attached, and the people that wanted an investigation because it hurt repubs.
As long as Reid is in the Senate - nothing gonna change this dynamic
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As long as Reid is in the Senate - nothing gonna change this dynamic
LOL it's all politics. that sickens me.
i support investigating BOTH 9/11s because it a prez let it happen, america should know.
All this garbage about "oh, we can stop this or that politician", ugh.
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LOL it's all politics. that sickens me.
i support investigating BOTH 9/11s because it a prez let it happen, america should know.
All this garbage about "oh, we can stop this or that politician", ugh.
Just reality - only thing that will change is if GOP takes over Senate and the hearing get over with rather quickly exposing what O-selfie was doing
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Just reality - only thing that will change is if GOP takes over Senate and the hearing get over with rather quickly exposing what O-selfie was doing
??? The investigation will continue even if dems run the senate. Appoint an independent and it's out of the Senate;s hands.
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Just reality - only thing that will change is if GOP takes over Senate and the hearing get over with rather quickly exposing what O-selfie was doing
There is no evidence he was doing anything, NONE. you are nuts. There is no evidence he denied support, there is no evidence of gun running, absolutely nothing, were the 13 other fucking hearings not enough? Boner is raising money off of this, wonder what's coming up?
you are delusional if you think that one, if something occurred they would inform you, this is a dog and pony show and you eat it up.
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Richard Clark pretty much summed it up
http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/richard-clarke-benghazi-cmte-a-stunt-254406723755
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Richard Clark pretty much summed it up
http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/richard-clarke-benghazi-cmte-a-stunt-254406723755
LOL - of all people.
Why are the rats melting down over this if there is nothing there? Why - cause they know hitlery and o-selfie are knee deep in CT's, corruption, incompetence, and treason.
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Richard Clark pretty much summed it up
http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/richard-clarke-benghazi-cmte-a-stunt-254406723755
The problem is that most of the so called answers provided thus far by members of the Obama junta have proven false and outright lies.
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The problem is that most of the so called answers provided thus far by members of the Obama junta have proven false and outright lies.
tell me what comment Richard Clark made (and the time point in the video) that was a lie
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The problem is that Clark is accepting the answers from these traitors that have already been proven to be full of shit.
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The problem is that Clark is accepting the answers from these traitors that have already been proven to be full of shit.
such as?
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The problem is that Clark is accepting the answers from these traitors that have already been proven to be full of shit.
examples please
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Matthew, Mark, Luke, John
Ronnie Bobbie Ricky and Mike
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The entire clip is nonsense. Clark did not defend anything Hillary and Obama did - he simply said we should trust pickering. LMFAO. Yeah - great defense there. ::)
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O-selfie is not getting impeached at this point. He could rape a dog on the WH lawn and his cult of scum would support it. The best we can do is expose his crimes and treason, hobble his admn for the rest of his term, end Hillary's WH bid, etc.
I am convinced that probably close to 40% of the people in this country see him as their "Messiah", and would literally drink poisoned koolaid if he told them to do so.
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The entire clip is nonsense. Clark did not defend anything Hillary and Obama did - he simply said we should trust pickering. LMFAO. Yeah - great defense there. ::)
so you make this claim and I treat you like a sane person and ask you to point out some examples and you can't do it?
The problem is that most of the so called answers provided thus far by members of the Obama junta have proven false and outright lies.
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so you make this claim and I treat you like a sane person and ask you to point out some examples and you can't do it?
O-fag and Hillary originally said it was the CIA who came up w the video nonsense, that turned out a lie.
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O-fag and Hillary originally said it was the CIA who came up w the video nonsense, that turned out a lie.
It is in fact true that the CIA offered that reason (whether they came up with it themselves or got it from others)
this is better read at the original site rather than a cut and paste
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2014/04/30/the_umpteenth_guide_to_the_impenetrable_benghazi_outrage.html
Here the salient point
Here, in the emails released 11 months ago, is a version of the talking points released by the CIA, to the House Intelligence committee and others, around six hours before Ben Rhodes' email. The CIA was furthering the talking point that "the attacks in Benghazi were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the US Embassy in Cairo," etc. A later revision added that the agency had warned about social media organizing around a protest. What was the fresh chatter about? The "Innocence of Muslims" video.
So Rhodes repeated the talking point. It's true that Morell subsequently said that he sided with domestic analysts over Libyan analysts—the former said "demonstrations," the latter did not—on Talking Point Day, Sept. 14. It's also true that Morell distanced the CIA from Rice's linkage between the attacks and the "Innocence of Muslims" tape.
you know what else
all this should be filed under "who gives shit" or as Hilary put it "What difference does it make"
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Common Straw...the admin has fucked up the story of what happened from the get go. This could have been avoided if they just admitted what happened...fired some dude at State who fucked up the request for security and then admit that they could not or would commit forces to the area. They could at least defend their decision to skip deploying the various QRF's available. Instead we get bullshit about video's and who did what....who cares what caused it now....our folks died. The damm Muslims are crazy and they hate us...that's what caused it. They suck...seriously if I was President that would be my answer when shit like this happens.
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Common Straw...the admin has fucked up the story of what happened from the get go. This could have been avoided if they just admitted what happened...fired some dude at State who fucked up the request for security and then admit that they could not or would commit forces to the area. They could at least defend their decision to skip deploying the various QRF's available. Instead we get bullshit about video's and who did what....who cares what caused it now....our folks died. The damm Muslims are crazy and they hate us...that's what caused it. They suck...seriously if I was President that would be my answer when shit like this happens.
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you are out to lunch old man. there is literally nothing here, nothing. I have been saying this since day 1. Move on.... you want declarative statements etc you guys even argued act of terror, or terrorism. Does that fucking matter? people died, semantic partisan police to the rescue.
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you are out to lunch old man. there is literally nothing here, nothing. I have been saying this since day 1. Move on.... you want declarative statements etc you guys even argued act of terror, or terrorism. Does that fucking matter? people died, semantic partisan police to the rescue.
No - we want Obama shipped back to Kenya - didn't you get the memo yet? ;)
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Common Straw...the admin has fucked up the story of what happened from the get go. This could have been avoided if they just admitted what happened...fired some dude at State who fucked up the request for security and then admit that they could not or would commit forces to the area. They could at least defend their decision to skip deploying the various QRF's available. Instead we get bullshit about video's and who did what....who cares what caused it now....our folks died. The damm Muslims are crazy and they hate us...that's what caused it. They suck...seriously if I was President that would be my answer when shit like this happens.
yeah, they got bad info from the CIA and went on the air with it
so what
shit like that happens in the real world sometimes (I'm sure you're aware of this)
you're aware that 4 people lost their jobs over this right?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/us/politics/3-state-dept-officials-resign-following-benghazi-report.html?_r=0
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No - we want Obama shipped back to Kenya - didn't you get the memo yet? ;)
you have nothing to contribute
I tried to treat you like a normal person and you weren't up to the task so stay out of it
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yeah, they got bad info from the CIA and went on the air with it
so what
shit like that happens in the real world sometimes (I'm sure you're aware of this)
you're aware that 4 people lost their jobs over this right?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/us/politics/3-state-dept-officials-resign-following-benghazi-report.html?_r=0
The CIA did not give them the story about the video. The CIA informed them early on it was a terrorist attack by al queada linked militants.
Additionally - they knowing stuck by that fake ass story even after the Lybian FM told them t was a terrosist attack not related to the video.
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The CIA did not give them the story about the video. The CIA informed them early on it was a terrorist attack by al queada linked militants.
Additionally - they knowing stuck by that fake ass story even after the Lybian FM told them t was a terrosist attack not related to the video.
The CIA said (in the memo i posted on the prior page) that "We believe based on currently available information that the attacks in Benghazi were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the US Embassy in Cairo and evolved into a direct assault against the US Consulate and subsequently it's Annex"
Here is what Huffington Post (among many others) reported on the day of the protests at the US Embassy in Cairo
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/11/egypt-protesters-us-embassy_n_1874247.html
CAIRO, Sept 11 (Reuters) - Egyptian protesters scaled the walls of the U.S. embassy in Cairo on Tuesday and pulled down the American flag during a protest over what they said was a film being produced in the United States that insulted Prophet Mohammad, witnesses said.
In place of the U.S. flag, the protesters tried to raise a black flag with the words "There is no God but Allah and Mohammad is his messenger", a Reuters reporter said.
Once the U.S. flag was hauled down, protesters tore it up, with some showing off small pieces to television cameras. Then others burned remains.
"This movie must be banned immediately and an apology should be made ... This is a disgrace," said 19-year-old, Ismail Mahmoud, a member of the so-called "ultras" soccer supporters who played a big role in the uprising that brought down Hosni Mubarak last year.
Many Muslims consider any depiction of the Prophet to be offensive.
Mahmoud called on President Mohamed Mursi, Egypt's first civilian president and an Islamist, to take action. Many others were supporters of Islamist groups.
About 20 people stood on top of the embassy wall in central Cairo, where about 2,000 protesters had gathered.
"There is no god but Allah, Mohammad is Allah's messenger. We will sacrifice ourselves for you, Allah's messenger," they chanted, with many waving religious flags.
I assume this is the point in the thread where you will ignore all of these facts and call Obama a twink or something like that
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The CIA said (in the memo i posted on the prior page) that "We believe based on currently available information that the attacks in Benghazi were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the US Embassy in Cairo and evolved into a direct assault against the US Consulate and subsequently it's Annex"
That is what they said
Here is what Huffington Post (among many others) reported on the day of the protests at the US Embassy in Cairo
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/11/egypt-protesters-us-embassy_n_1874247.html
I assume this is the point in the thread where you will ignore all of these facts and call Obama a twink or something like that
Spontaneous 7 hour assault w mortars and RPG's?
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Spontaneous 7 hour assault w mortars and RPG's?
was anything in my post factually incorrect
Is the quote from the CIA memo correct (i.e I'm asking is it what the CIA said and not whether what they said correct or not)
Were the protests in Cairo due to the movie
The answer to all those question is YES
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The CIA version is not exactly all that credible either.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/11/11/bureaucratic-nightmare-pentagon-benghazi-timeline-contradicts-cia
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The CIA version is not exactly all that credible either.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/11/11/bureaucratic-nightmare-pentagon-benghazi-timeline-contradicts-cia
so you admit that everything in my post is factually correct
The CIA did tell the White House that the attack was a spontaneous result of the protests in Cairo which we were the result of the movie
Again, this still leads us to what Hilary said "What difference does it Make"
This has been exhaustively investigated and flaws in our response were identified and hopefully corrected
There is no need for any further investigation....except of course to keep it alive for fundraising and campaigning purposes
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so you admit that everything in my post is factually correct
The CIA did tell the White House that the attack was a spontaneous result of the protests in Cairo which we were the result of the movie
Again, this still leads us to what Hilary said "What difference does it Make"
This has been exhaustively investigated and flaws in our response were identified and hopefully corrected
There is no need for any further investigation....except of course to keep it alive for fundraising and campaigning purposes
Makes a big difference because they learned that the assessment about the video was dead wrong and kept going with it refusing to acknowledge that it was a terrorist attack that occurred on anniversary of 9/11 right before the election after denying the embassy more security
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Makes a big difference because they learned that the assessment about the video was dead wrong and kept going with it refusing to acknowledge that it was a terrorist attack that occurred on anniversary of 9/11 right before the election after denying the embassy more security
he did refer to it as a act of terror but go ahead and explain in detail what the "big difference is" and why it matters
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he did refer to it as a act of terror but go ahead and explain in detail what the "big difference is" and why it matters
Makes a big difference in terms of something that could have been prevented and properly responded to vs covering up and lying to the public for months on end to get past an election.
And I m sure the 4 dead and their families believe it makes a big difference
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Makes a big difference in terms of something that could have been prevented and properly responded to vs covering up and lying to the public for months on end to get past an election.
And I m sure the 4 dead and their families believe it makes a big difference
how does their rhetoric after the event have anything to do with having been able to prevent or respond differently
How does any of that help the families
Are you aware that there was an investigation where flaws in their procedures and response were indentified and people lost their jobs
I know you just want to be perpetually pissed about this but you have not given a coherent answer to my question
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how does their rhetoric after the event have anything to do with having been able to prevent or respond differently
How does any of that help the families
Are you aware that there was an investigation where flaws in their procedures and response were indentified and people lost their jobs
I know you just want to be perpetually pissed about this but you have not given a coherent answer to my question
You need a sign next to your computer to remind you "Don't feed the troll". :)
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You need a sign next to your computer to remind you "Don't feed the troll". :)
yeah, you're right about that
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Lets look at point 1 libs......
It started at 3:40 east coast time 9:40 local. That's plenty of time to get people together in DC.
Between 125 and 150 gunmen. That's a big target and easily cannot be explained as a random group of dudes.
Fight ended sometime that next morning......past 5AM local time.
Just after midnight, an attack on the CIA annex began, which included machine gun, rocket and mortar fire. The CIA defenses held off the attack until the morning of September 12.[26]:45–46 Early in the morning, Libyan government forces met up with a group of Americans (reinforcements from Tripoli including Glen Doherty that had arrived at the Benghazi airport. The team, which included two active-duty JSOC operators and five CIA personnel, had commandeered a small jet in Tripoli by paying the pilots $30,000 and forcing them to fly the team to Benghazi. After being held up at the airport for a few hours, the Libyan forces and newly arrived Americans went to the CIA annex at about 5:00am to assist in transporting approximately 32 Americans at the annex back to the airport for evacuation. Minutes after they drove through the gates, the annex came under heavy fire.
Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?
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http://www.westernjournalism.com/watch-trey-gowdy-easily-respond-reporters-question-says-end-shock-every-american
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http://www.westernjournalism.com/watch-trey-gowdy-easily-respond-reporters-question-says-end-shock-every-american
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LMAO at your choice of hero. Only a matter of time before this guy takes a wide stance in a public restroom.
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Gowdy is an ACTUAL conservative. A constitutionalist.
Do I think Boehnner will ever fully unleash him? Nope. He'll get some backscratching and he'll hold him back.
This dude actually voted AGAINST Boehnner and the RINOs over and over.
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LMAO at your choice of hero. Only a matter of time before this guy takes a wide stance in a public restroom.
Soul Crusher has admitted to being a Log Cabin Republican many times.
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Soul Crusher has admitted to being a Log Cabin Republican many times.
Can you refute what he said Benny?
No - Gowdy is going to put Obama back where belongs - in prison.
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NATIONAL REVIEW ONLINE www.nationalreview.com PRINT
May 14, 2014 4:00 AM
No, the Benghazi Questions Aren’t All Answered
Why the House continues to investigate.
By Jim Geraghty
NBC News’s Chuck Todd, speaking on MSNBC Tuesday morning, contended that the newly formed House select committee investigating Benghazi was likely to rehash familiar arguments and miss broader issues worth discussing:
It certainly looks more partisan than it looks like a serious inquiry. They’ve done a ton of these inquiries already, the House has. There’s been a Senate Intelligence investigation. Forget just the State Department. I think you could argue that yes, Congress should have done what it did, which is go through some of these committees. But as for the need for the select committee — you know, I’ll hear from Republicans that say, ‘But there are unanswered questions!’ Well, no, all the questions have been answered. There’s just some people that don’t like the answers, that wish the answers were somehow more conspiratorial, I guess.
Their focus seems to be off. Have a conversation about the policy. Have a debate, an investigation into whether the policy is working; to whether the response to the Arab Spring, whether we did the right thing with the light footprint in Libya. But to sit here and investigate talking points seems to be totally missing the larger point here. It’s like investigating who cut down one tree in a forest that’s been burned down.”
Todd is half-right that there are broader issues worth examining. But there is good reason for Republicans to believe that full answers have been withheld, and Americans have seen little or no real accountability for a largely preventable outrage.
As Todd notes, several House and Senate committees launched their own inquiries, but the White House withheld certain documents and evidence, which raises serious doubts about how thoroughly and accurately those committees’ questions have been answered. For example, the White House never sent Congress an e-mail from Ben Rhodes instructing then–ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice to “underscore these protests are rooted in an Internet video, and not a broader failure of policy,” infuriating lawmakers.
White House press secretary Jay Carney told reporters the White House didn’t include the e-mail in its disclosures to Capitol Hill because it wasn’t about Benghazi, but ABC News’s Jonathan Karl noted that the e-mail in question has an entire section labeled “Benghazi.” How many other documents have been withheld because the administration judged them not relevant, were momentarily struck with inexplicable illiteracy, or simply deemed them too damaging or embarrassing to turn over to Congress?
Earlier, senators had complained about heavily redacted documents:
“It was so redacted that there was no information whatsoever,” said the source, who spoke to Fox on the condition they not be identified. “There were some documents that were 100 pages with every word on the page redacted. They were worthless.”
More than a year after the attack, Senator Lindsey Graham (R., S.C.) was informed that he could not interview the survivors of the attack because it would somehow interfere with the criminal prosecution of the perpetrators. This decision came as surprising news to FBI director James Comey, whose agency is responsible for that prosecution. Comey said he had no objection to the interviews. After Graham finally did speak with the survivors, he said some told him “they’ve been told to be quiet.”
While it’s entirely possible that Graham is misinterpreting or mischaracterizing the survivors’ comments, it’s impossible to know as long as the survivors’ comments and testimony remain hidden from the public. When the public has gotten to hear from those close to the events on the ground, such as Gregory Hicks, the former deputy chief of mission in Libya who was in Tripoli at the time of the attack, the testimony has offered a gripping, eye-opening, and disturbing portrait of the U.S. government being caught flat-footed and unable to mobilize in a crisis.
This is a particularly cynical strategy by the administration: They take as long as possible to provide the information and then complain that Congress remains obsessed with long-ago issues. Former National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor exemplified the delay-then-demand-others-move-on approach when he recently told Fox News Channel’s Bret Baier, “Dude, this was like two years ago.”
Finally, Carney recently suggested the White House may not cooperate with this new House panel because the Obama administration had not yet decided whether it deemed it a “legitimate” investigation.
Withheld documents, implausible explanations, inexcusable delays, allegations of witness and whistleblower intimidation, and threats to ignore the inquiries entirely mean the White House cannot be given the benefit of the doubt.
Representative Trey Gowdy, the chairman of the special panel, says Congress is getting some documents 20 months after requesting them, and for what it is worth, says he has evidence “there was a systematic, intentional decision to withhold certain documents from Congress.” However, he has not yet produced that unspecified evidence.
When Chuck Todd says all the questions have been answered, he probably is referring to reports like this one from the House Armed Services Committee, which concluded, among other things, “There was no ‘stand down’ order issued to U.S. military personnel in Tripoli who sought to join the fight in Benghazi.”
But that report was nowhere nearly as exculpatory as that one sentence suggests. In fact, the House report they’re citing was in fact pretty damning:
In assessing military posture in anticipation of the September 11 anniversary, White House officials failed to comprehend or ignored the dramatically deteriorating security situation in Libya and the growing threat to U.S. interests in the region. Official public statements seem to have exaggerated the extent and rigor of the security assessment conducted at the time.
In layman’s terms, the administration lied; more specifically, former secretary of defense Leon Panetta, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Martin Dempsey, and General Ham, commander of U.S. Africa Command, contradicted each others’ testimony about how much the administration and military were evaluating threats in the days leading up to September 11. This is hardly an “answered question.”
The House Armed Services Committee also concluded:
U.S. personnel in Benghazi were woefully vulnerable in September 2012 because a.) the administration did not direct a change in military force posture, b.) there was no intelligence of a specific “imminent” threat in Libya, and c.) the Department of State, which has primary responsibility for diplomatic security, favored a reduction of Department of Defense security personnel in Libya before the attack.
The U.S. military’s response to the Benghazi attack was severely degraded because of the location and readiness posture of U.S. forces, and because of lack of clarity about how the terrorist action was unfolding. However, given the uncertainty about the prospective length and scope of the attack, military commanders did not take all possible steps to prepare for a more extended operation.
Even with no particular “stand down” order from the administration, a small team was ordered to stay in Tripoli, Libya, instead of joining the fight in Benghazi:
However, after the diplomatic staff had been moved to what Lieutenant Colonel Gibson considered a “secure” location in Tripoli, he informed AFRICOM that he was about to take his three special operators to Benghazi on a Libyan transport plane. At that time, Rear Admiral Brian L. Losey, SOCAFRICA’s commander, conveyed an order to Lieutenant Colonel Gibson to remain in Tripoli to defend Americans there. Rear Admiral Losey said he was concerned about the possibility of follow-on attacks in Tripoli or a potential for attempts at hostage taking. Preferring to move, however, Lieutenant Colonel Gibson told the committee he was “visibly upset” at the time. But Rear Admiral Losey explained to the committee that it was rooted in his belief that Lieutenant Colonel Gibson’s team was “the only military element . . . in Tripoli that had any security experience whatsoever” and “it seemed prudent” to divide the few military personnel in Libya between Tripoli and Benghazi rather than concentrate them in one location.
Some may look at that report and cite it as evidence that the questions have been answered, but the description of the readiness of U.S. forces raises more troubling questions: At any point during the evening did the commanding officers reevaluate the decision to keep those four special operators in Tripoli instead of letting them attempt a rescue in Benghazi? How did the U.S. mission in Libya reach the point where one of the most consequential choices of the night was the decision to keep four men guarding the embassy in Tripoli instead of attempting a rescue in Benghazi? Whose idea was it to have a special-operations unit assigned to the European Command, known as a Commander’s In-Extremis Force, on a training mission on the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks? How did the U.S. reach the point where neither the U.S. military nor a single NATO ally had any planes that were combat-ready and capable of assisting in a battle on the other side of the Mediterranean?
For all of the discussion about Susan Rice’s talking points, few have noticed that the State Department issued a statement the night of September 11 — six hours into a seven-hour assault — attributed to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton that suggests the attack was a response to “inflammatory material posted on the Internet.” (Notice this statement is specifically about Benghazi, not the violent protest outside the U.S. Embassy in Egypt earlier in the day.)
I condemn in the strongest terms the attack on our mission in Benghazi today. As we work to secure our personnel and facilities, we have confirmed that one of our State Department officers was killed. We are heartbroken by this terrible loss. Our thoughts and prayers are with his family and those who have suffered in this attack.
This evening, I called Libyan President Magariaf to coordinate additional support to protect Americans in Libya. President Magariaf expressed his condemnation and condolences and pledged his government’s full cooperation.
Some have sought to justify this vicious behavior as a response to inflammatory material posted on the Internet. The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. Our commitment to religious tolerance goes back to the very beginning of our nation. But let me be clear: There is never any justification for violent acts of this kind.
As many have noted, no one on the ground characterized the events as a protest or mentioned anything about the video. This release, strangely little-discussed considering the heated debate over Benghazi, strongly suggests that the State Department perceived the Benghazi attack as tied to the video before any evidence pointed to that direction. In fact, they came to this conclusion before the attack finished.
Many in the conservative grassroots echo Andrew Malcolm in asking what President Obama did that evening. This is one area where the questions have indeed been answered. Again, from the House Armed Services Committee report:
Secretary Panetta and General Dempsey then left for the White House to attend an unrelated routine weekly meeting with the President. Upon arrival, the two discussed the attack with the President for fifteen to thirty minutes, at which time they presumably shared all that was known about the unfolding events, including the fact that the ambassador and the subordinate (Mr. Sean Smith) were missing. According to Secretary Panetta’s statements to the Senate, the President “directed both myself and General Dempsey to do everything we need to do to try to protect the lives” in Benghazi.
General Dempsey recounted to the House Armed Services Committee:
The President instructed us to use all available assets to respond to the attacks to ensure the safety of U.S. personnel in Libya and to protect U.S. personnel and interests throughout the region.
Secretary Panetta and General Dempsey eventually returned to the Pentagon and guided the response from there.
“[A]s to specifics” of the U.S. reaction, Secretary Panetta testified to the Senate that the President “left that up to us.” Secretary Panetta said the President was “well informed” about events and worried about American lives. He and General Dempsey also testified they had no further contact with the President, nor did Secretary of State Hillary Clinton ever communicate with them that evening.
In short, President Obama told Panetta and Dempsey to do what was needed, and then retired for the evening. Vietor said last week that Obama and Clinton spoke by phone at 10 p.m., and that the president was in the private residence, not the White House Situation Room.
The president’s defenders can accurately state that the only way the president’s bedtime on the night of September 11, 2012, is relevant is if the military required his authorization for a particular act — say, entering Libyan airspace without permission from the host government. At this time, there has been no indication that was the case.
But even if the president’s bedtime wasn’t particularly consequential to the events on the ground on Benghazi, it certainly makes for an unflattering portrait of the president, heading to sleep as the battle raged, making sure he was sufficiently rested for the next day’s campaign rally in Las Vegas. This administration made sure the public knew how plugged-in and riveted President Obama was regarding the raid on Osama bin Laden’s compound. Leaving the response to the events in Benghazi to subordinates while he slept offers a portrait strangely disengaged, even callous, about the lives of the men who carry out his orders in dangerous lands. Obama’s absence from the Situation Room may not have been decisive, but it can still prove embarrassing and politically damaging.
We know where President Obama was the night of September 11, 2012, but not why he was where he was.
— Jim Geraghty writes the Campaign Spot on NRO. His first novel, a comic satire of the federal bureaucracy entitled The Weed Agency, will be published by Crown Forum in June.
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you guys are tying to argue act of terror or terrorism, where the man was the night of a spontaneous attack etc. get a life dude.
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you guys are tying to argue act of terror or terrorism, where the man was the night of a spontaneous attack etc. get a life dude.
Was not spontaneous - there was a lot leading up to this - and remember - it was o-fag who toppled lybia and expanded al queada over there.
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Soul Crusher has admitted to being a Log Cabin Republican many times.
really?
Log cabin republican ?
That is the gay group of GOP.
I'm seeing SC in a new, rainbow colored light:)
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You need a sign next to your computer to remind you "Don't feed the troll". :)
the politics board has two trolls - one clever but transparent, the other ocd and dumber than sandpaper
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the politics board has two trolls - one clever but transparent, the other ocd and dumber than sandpaper
look at your posts worshipping Obama. case closed fag.
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the politics board has two trolls - one clever but transparent, the other ocd and dumber than sandpaper
Lol
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look at your posts worshipping Obama. case closed fag.
Strong rebuttal.