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GH15,
I understand getting lean first only to then get big. Especially because I have tried it now and see that this works. My question though is, how do you know when to get lean again? Do you wait until you hit a plateau and then start the process of getting lean again only to blow up after to break through this plateau or do you just keep eating, training, and upping the doses to keep the muscle growth going???
once you get truly lean as in 6-7% ....you will always be lean as logn as on hormones i mention ,,your body take everything and uses it for the muscles,, you just dont gain fat ....only water,,ofcourse you can gain some fat if you sit 6 times a day and eat kfc... like liar priest,,but even he back then didnt gain much fat ,,it was mainly water ,,still eating kfc even once a day is not my cup ot tea,,when i say rich food i still mean home cook style german jamaican japanease burgers etc,, just richer and tastier in calories you know like normal fellas but nto that disgusting kfc and those taco bells shit,,because thats nto rich food this is pure junk garbage with out any nutrient value and just addictive so yo ucome and buy again ,,
in any case one you blwo up you wil blwo up lean ,,true you wont be stage ready ,,but moment you want to do competition you start dialing it in and it should take no more than 10 weeks
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I thought lee priest ate kfc like a champ
Ooohhh right....he never won siht ;D
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I thought lee priest ate kfc like a champ
Ooohhh right....he never won siht ;D
he did, when someone supposedly pitched a loaf on his chest
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he did, when someone supposedly pitched a loaf on his chest
"you want that original or extra crispy" ;D
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I thought lee priest ate kfc like a champ
Ooohhh right....he never won siht ;D
Except for Grand Prix Australia and the Ironman Pro and NOC
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and how lean is lean enough to start "blow up from within mutation"? what do you do to get this lean aside from clean diet and regular cardio? clen, t3, ephedrine, dnp, whatever just get there? or will tren, hgh, and masteron take you there (you'll have to throw some test in there)?
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and how lean is lean enough to start "blow up from within mutation"? what do you do to get this lean aside from clean diet and regular cardio? clen, t3, ephedrine, dnp, whatever just get there? or will tren, hgh, and masteron take you there (you'll have to throw some test in there)?
You answered your own questions.
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Dude (GH15) do you know anything besides "hormones"? Seriously, this diet info has to be a fucking joke. So far from the years you've been speaking, you know "hormones" by trial and error (because it doesn't work for anyone) you're diet info is useless (unless on "hormones") your training info is junk (unless on hormones) that's being said you know nothing about something unless there are "hormones" involved. Get off it son, the only people that you're fooling are the ones that haven't been around long enough or done some actual research (real research not bullshit) to realize this crap.
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Dude (GH15) do you know anything besides "hormones"? Seriously, this diet info has to be a fucking joke. So far from the years you've been speaking, you know "hormones" by trial and error (because it doesn't work for anyone) you're diet info is useless (unless on "hormones") your training info is junk (unless on hormones) that's being said you know nothing about something unless there are "hormones" involved. Get off it son, the only people that you're fooling are the ones that haven't been around long enough or done some actual research (real research not bullshit) to realize this crap.
oh i've done plenty of research. i've read countless internet articles siting studies in regards to various compounds. i've read the bulk of william llewellyn's anabolics (i haven't read every drug profile, but most). i read drug articles each month in muscular development. and after 10 years of proper weight training and immaculate diet i built a physic that was not even worth mentioning--no one noticed me, women could not even tell if i lifted weights. ::) so YES YOU'RE RIGHT (IF DESIRE IS BODYBUILDING) diet info is useless (unless on "hormones") training info is junk (unless on hormones), etc... gh15 is savior.
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Then its not really bodybuilding is it and you and GH15 fully admit either of you know much about training or diet WITHOUT "hormones". BTW, not a whole lot research on the "hormones" he's suggesting to use is there?
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twister,, you are fighting a lost battle here,, i revealed the industry for what it is and ofcourse the industry is part of the cult and it was also revealed,, you are a liar ,,a twister of the truth ,, it is all hormones,, you couldnt even break 160lb with out hormones,,youre little man ,,little man the reason you could see all of thwt ayou say you saw which also was half ass condition 220 with abs lol 200 with abs,s,it the usage of anadrola ,,the usage of testosterona ,,the usage of hgh ,,and the usage of any hormones you could get your hand on ,,
actual training has very little to do with advance bodybuild ,,VERY LITTLE,,
what i say would cause me to complete and utter bann if it was not true,, there are many MANY who back me up in everything i say ,,they just can nto voice it loud because they come on theri real name,, in reality you make money of theo goolible kids,, you suport fellas lik enoel and dants for the crap they give because you are part of this scam ,,you are in a losing battle here,, your worst nightmare came in the form of gh15 ...this is the problem and no matter how much you go back and forth writing your balonie....reailty is that i am pretty much worshipped for one and only one reason
i SAY THE TRUTH!
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for me diet and training off hormones is basically the same just scaled back some. i know plenty about training. i learned all you ever need to know from milos 'secrets of the pros' and rick evans 'bodybuilding anatomy'. my diet on or off hormones is this: eat six times a day. each meal consists of lean protein, complex carb, and vegetable with plenty of fruits and berries thrown in. end of story.
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LOL @ "twister" (pot calling kettle). If I asked you a basic technical question about either training or diet you couldn't answer it and you damn well know it. I remember you even suggested that even athlete (real athletes) in the NFL use "tren". I'll never forget that but that statement alone blew me away. What a crock that was.
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no!,, i said americano football players are on hormones,, hormones can mean many things,,doesnt have to be trenbolona but can also be trenbolona,,i said hormones!,, by the way now day its pretty easy to find football players on trenbolna ace too... not common but possible,, anythign with short ester is go ,, and dont devide to offseason and onseson ,,in sports there is no such thing,, it is hormones all the time,,none stop ,,doses change according to mission at hand and testings protocols,,
sports and bodybuild are extremly similar in uses of hormones,, only bodybuild use MORE!
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by the way ,,its very easy to some no one from the boardings to just follow what i say ...be lean 6% on trenbolona ace and gh ...and then add testosterona 1 gram and anadrola 150mg/day... that fella will report to you what he sees,, and what he sees is the creation of a freak infront of the mirror DAILY
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Ok, now its time to set you straight on the NFL and drugs. Yes they use, obviously but tren is one they dare not touch, not because of testing but rather it KILLS their conditioning (athletic conditioning, endurance) they also don't take a whole lot of other drugs because of the same reason. Professional S&C coaches know this. HS athletes are a different story, they will use tren but they know the side effects and neither do the coaches. All the kids know is it get them big and strong, but coaches can't figure out why a running back is gassed after doing light conditioning drills....but I do!!
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You can do all the research you want. Either you have the sickness or you don't. If using anadrol scares you or you're one of these pussies who has a fear of needles this shit ain't for you. All the studies in the world won't tell you how a substance will work for YOU. Everybody's response is different in one way or another especially when it comes to side effects. For example I get moon face from dbol but not anadrol. That contradicts much of what I've read from peoples personal experience with it. I blow up from anadrol just as gh 15 has said, "from within the muscle".
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Dude (GH15) do you know anything besides "hormones"? Seriously, this diet info has to be a fucking joke. So far from the years you've been speaking, you know "hormones" by trial and error (because it doesn't work for anyone) you're diet info is useless (unless on "hormones") your training info is junk (unless on hormones) that's being said you know nothing about something unless there are "hormones" involved. Get off it son, the only people that you're fooling are the ones that haven't been around long enough or done some actual research (real research not bullshit) to realize this crap.
meltdown ;D
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Also, what do you mean by German foods. Chocolate cakes and pretzels?
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You can do all the research you want. Either you have the sickness or you don't. If using anadrol scares you or you're one of these pussies who has a fear of needles this shit ain't for you. All the studies in the world won't tell you how a substance will work for YOU. Everybody's response is different in one way or another especially when it comes to side effects. For example I get moon face from dbol but not anadrol. That contradicts much of what I've read from peoples personal experience with it. I blow up from anadrol just as gh 15 has said, "from within the muscle".
Same here, Anadrol pumps up my muscles from within but I dont get a bloated face, I diet I use Anadrol, IMO it's one of the best steroids there is
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Dude (GH15) do you know anything besides "hormones"? Seriously, this diet info has to be a fucking joke. So far from the years you've been speaking, you know "hormones" by trial and error (because it doesn't work for anyone) you're diet info is useless (unless on "hormones") your training info is junk (unless on hormones) that's being said you know nothing about something unless there are "hormones" involved. Get off it son, the only people that you're fooling are the ones that haven't been around long enough or done some actual research (real research not bullshit) to realize this crap.
I don't know why you guys are always going at it, seriously, you guys live in 2 different worlds. Coach you are a useful resource to your clients and you know how to get results in your world, respectfully so....however gh15 is in a world with different clientele (for lack of a better term) and in his world there is no prisoners, maximum results at the most extreme and efficient paste, is this world safe, no, but its the only way to get to the top of the food chain, 7 000 000 000 people here, there is no room for the timid, and a conservative arsenal (hormones) is simply not going to cut it.
Put it this way, people like you coach will produce good actors in a stage play, but gh15 would produce good actors in hollywood....just the way it is.
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I remember guys from the 90's just doing whatever it took to walk into the gym. Kidneys sore, adrenals wasted, stressed out... muscles poppin.
Didn't matter to argue about H.I.T or anything like rep tempo or full R.O.M -- none of that mattered. Sets, routines= all shit.
They made their connections, sold what they could to make their money back, drove shit cars, and did it again the next day. Couldn't keep a GF to save their lives unless she was just a little dumber than a rock.
The most difficult part of their lives was being broke, not getting busted, and eventually "dieting" on cheap food (at someone else's expense) preferably the rock-dumb gym queen.
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Ok, now its time to set you straight on the NFL and drugs. Yes they use, obviously but tren is one they dare not touch, not because of testing but rather it KILLS their conditioning (athletic conditioning, endurance) they also don't take a whole lot of other drugs because of the same reason. Professional S&C coaches know this. HS athletes are a different story, they will use tren but they know the side effects and neither do the coaches. All the kids know is it get them big and strong, but coaches can't figure out why a running back is gassed after doing light conditioning drills....but I do!!
but but but butbut butbut but! youre a liar! you said you didnt have a clue to what trenbolona is was and never used it,,, you are the problem of this cult,, it is mute thing to argue with you ,, it is a bgi big problem ,,it is americana problem that i tried to heal in the last 6 years and i suceseeded ,, but as you know like with everything you sacrifice some to save some ,,and i decided to sacrifice the generation of you and of noel and of the dantas... i saved the youger generation FOR THEY SHALL SEE what truth is and how truth should truly be,, for i walked the walk and talk the talk ,, for i shall demonstrated to them in many ways the whys and the hows,,
lastly ,, your knowledge of football team drug intake is nada,, reason is? i know what they get ,, i know how much they get ,, and i know how they distribute it ,, and no it is NOT human grade ,,some is some not
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You can do all the research you want. Either you have the sickness or you don't. If using anadrol scares you or you're one of these pussies who has a fear of needles this shit ain't for you. All the studies in the world won't tell you how a substance will work for YOU. Everybody's response is different in one way or another especially when it comes to side effects. For example I get moon face from dbol but not anadrol. That contradicts much of what I've read from peoples personal experience with it. I blow up from anadrol just as gh 15 has said, "from within the muscle".
that twister fella knows it ,,, he just lies straight out twist the truth! ,,anybody knows the way to bigger diameter muscle passes through trenbolona and anadrola ,, any one knows this,, any one knows that the way to conditioned muscle passed through trenbolona anadrola and gh ... and any one knows that the maestro of it all the connection link is having enough testosterona in the system to thicken it all up a notch,,
any one knows it ,,any one who ever competed ,,any fuckin one,, the problem is the noels of the world want to charge money and i killed their business,, i killed business around americana im tellin you i know im prime nomineee for murder ,, but if i go down the all cult is going down,,its a promise
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but but but butbut butbut but! youre a liar! you said you didnt have a clue to what trenbolona is was and never used it,,, you are the problem of this cult,, it is mute thing to argue with you ,, it is a bgi big problem ,,it is americana problem that i tried to heal in the last 6 years and i suceseeded ,, but as you know like with everything you sacrifice some to save some ,,and i decided to sacrifice the generation of you and of noel and of the dantas... i saved the youger generation FOR THEY SHALL SEE what truth is and how truth should truly be,, for i walked the walk and talk the talk ,, for i shall demonstrated to them in many ways the whys and the hows,,
lastly ,, your knowledge of football team drug intake is nada,, reason is? i know what they get ,, i know how much they get ,, and i know how they distribute it ,, and no it is NOT human grade ,,some is some not
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Hi David.
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You can do all the research you want. Either you have the sickness or you don't. If using anadrol scares you or you're one of these pussies who has a fear of needles this shit ain't for you. All the studies in the world won't tell you how a substance will work for YOU. Everybody's response is different in one way or another especially when it comes to side effects. For example I get moon face from dbol but not anadrol. That contradicts much of what I've read from peoples personal experience with it. I blow up from anadrol just as gh 15 has said, "from within the muscle".
"All the studies in the world won't tell you how a substance will work for YOU. Everybody's response is different in one way or another especially when it comes to side effects."...So true !!
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Oh no Jr. You never heard me say I didn't know nothing about trenbolona, you heard me say I wouldn't USE it. And yes, I DO know what some use in the NFL as well as the MLB and other sports, unknown to me before I started training them, I had three athletes in the MLB that were named in the Mitchell Report, I also know them well enough to know what they were using.
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oh i've done plenty of research. i've read countless internet articles siting studies in regards to various compounds. i've read the bulk of william llewellyn's anabolics (i haven't read every drug profile, but most). i read drug articles each month in muscular development. and after 10 years of proper weight training and immaculate diet i built a physic that was not even worth mentioning--no one noticed me, women could not even tell if i lifted weights. ::) so YES YOU'RE RIGHT (IF DESIRE IS BODYBUILDING) diet info is useless (unless on "hormones") training info is junk (unless on hormones), etc... gh15 is savior.
Its true
I'll give an example...
Theres a gym who joined the same gym as me 9yrs ago, I was 19, he was about 25
I used gear after 2years in that gym (had trained at home 16-19)
The other gym never used gear
Im up 98lbs in that time, he looks the same
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Its true
I'll give an example...
Theres a gym who joined the same gym as me 9yrs ago, I was 19, he was about 25
I used gear after 2years in that gym (had trained at home 16-19)
The other gym never used gear
Im up 98lbs in that time, he looks the same
That guy is just wasting his time. He should work out 2 times a week and spend the rest of his time doing something productive.
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That guy is just wasting his time. He should work out 2 times a week and spend the rest of his time doing something productive.
proably get better results to some of my best results natural came lifting 1 and 2 days a week
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That guy is just wasting his time. He should work out 2 times a week and spend the rest of his time doing something productive.
But he spends quite a bit on supplements
Like fuck it, as I see it if you want to get the best out of yourself you give yourself every advantage you can
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you can build a good build a good body nautural but you cant be ripped and big you have to kinda choose 220 at 13% or 180 at 8%
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But he spends quite a bit on supplements
Like fuck it, as I see it if you want to get the best out of yourself you give yourself every advantage you can
sports supplements are a waste all around. go to the grocery store and buy lean meats, sweet potatoes, and green vegetables then load up on hormones. all you need.
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proably get better results to some of my best results natural came lifting 1 and 2 days a week
Good post. I agree. At my peak, naturally, I was only in the gym twice a week.
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I just wanna figure this out?
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Fifty bucks he says me.
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Fifty bucks he says me.
liar lee priest
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Fifty bucks he says me.
you cant be satan you love israel ,, you are go heaven eventhough you are twister of truth ...jews dont forget their loyals
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Thank you, that's the nicest thing you ever said to me.
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Im new around here but I kinda think your more of the anti christ of hormones lol so whos the satan?
you don't speak to gh15 like that here.
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Thank you, that's the nicest thing you ever said to me.
LMAO ;D
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you don't speak to gh15 like that here.
(http://forgifs.com/gallery/d/32029-1/SeriousBusiness_001.jpg)
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Satan doesn't exist either.... ;) ;)
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Thank you, that's the nicest thing you ever said to me.
lol ;D
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8)
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Good Morning Gh15,
Which Pharmacy bought Gh would you recommend ?.. I have access to all and at cost,,no mark up.
anything you can get from pharma to your door as fast as possible ,,all the same eli lilly humatrop ,,serostim all the same ,,the question is what can get to you in the fastest possible way to your door from pharma ,,the condition it arrives is very important and will determine the potency ... if power is legit and high purity then gh is gh and china and usa is exaclty same thing,, problem is that with china if you dont have high levekl source....gh can go bad in shipping as in degrading....thats why source should be very good and take care of the gh and find ways for fast shipping and good conditions...but when it comes to gh ...legit gh is legit gh
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anything you can get from pharma to your door as fast as possible ,,all the same eli lilly humatrop ,,serostim all the same ,,the question is what can get to you in the fastest possible way to your door from pharma ,,the condition it arrives is very important and will determine the potency ... if power is legit and high purity then gh is gh and china and usa is exaclty same thing,, problem is that with china if you dont have high levekl source....gh can go bad in shipping as in degrading....thats why source should be very good and take care of the gh and find ways for fast shipping and good conditions...but when it comes to gh ...legit gh is legit gh
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How long can gh go in transit before it starts to degrade? Just a rough estimate.
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Which one would you choose?
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depends when ,,
summer time...2 weeks i give it
winter can be up to a month
there is no need to worry with a great source though ,, like with nordic never a worry and trust me i had elfs trying his stuff for years over years and never report of bad quality ,,
ofcourse best thing is to get the gh straight home from pharma ,,but this is in a perfect world,,in any case what 2 iu wont do 4 will lol as logn as its legit gh dosed right
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always chose anabolic steroid no matter what,, its like the gas in your car..gh is umm the chery on top of the cake...its good to have it and will take you to mutatiton but with out aas there will be no mutation because you wont have anything to develop the new fibers with...
always always always chose aas over gh ,,AL WAYS!
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Anabolics hands down !!
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a getbiggers mom is my priority
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;D
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Hey, this will be great- gh15 I for one will follow your advice... I can't get mine to budge past 18"!!
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if you look through he has gave info on arm training fairly recently I belive
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this is true !
but every week he will discuss new body parts like the delt index last week
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You need to read the Bible, not just stare vacantly at His words.
Arms are the same as anything else.
Lift heavy stuff, eat enough food, DO IT IN A SUITABLY HORMONISED ENVIRONMENT.
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curls get you girls.
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Rows get you Schmoes
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bump for gh15 advice
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The 15 is a very busy man.
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arms, like calves, are all genetic as far as i'm concerned. guys with good genetics can simply do barbell curls or whatever they want and have monster guns. other dudes like me can dissect the bicep hitting it's two heads with different targeted exercises, comprehensive stimulation, and little to nothing happens in the way of growth. :(
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arms, like calves, are all genetic as far as i'm concerned. guys with good genetics can simply do barbell curls or whatever they want and have monster guns. other dudes like me can dissect the bicep hitting it's two heads with different targeted exercises, comprehensive stimulation, and little to nothing happens in the way of growth. :(
no one gives a fuck about your concerns. now shut up and wait for the gman to answer.
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no one gives a fuck about your concerns. now shut up and wait for the gman to answer.
;D ;D
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arms, like calves, are all genetic as far as i'm concerned. guys with good genetics can simply do barbell curls or whatever they want and have monster guns. other dudes like me can dissect the bicep hitting it's two heads with different targeted exercises, comprehensive stimulation, and little to nothing happens in the way of growth. :(
i disagree. arms can be improved ALOT. while calves if they are bad and you have high insertions will never be big
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no one gives a fuck about your concerns. now shut up and wait for the gman to answer.
then you should have made it a pm, not a public thread. ;)
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bi shape and length as well as tri shape and length is 100% genetics,
meaning when you see guys with short bis like king kamali etc there is nothing he can do to fix it
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heavy curls and penis pushing
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Ok, now its time to set you straight on the NFL and drugs. Yes they use, obviously but tren is one they dare not touch, not because of testing but rather it KILLS their conditioning (athletic conditioning, endurance) they also don't take a whole lot of other drugs because of the same reason. Professional S&C coaches know this. HS athletes are a different story, they will use tren but they know the side effects and neither do the coaches. All the kids know is it get them big and strong, but coaches can't figure out why a running back is gassed after doing light conditioning drills....but I do!!
How do you know this if you have never tryed Tren like you claim ? ??? - reading about it ? come on the only way you would speak with full on confidence about what a drug does is if you had actualy tryed it ::) the way you talk about hormones when your cage is rattled is from one that has alot of experience with hormone use - it does take a bit to rattle the cage - its like you dont want to give anything away but when you do pipe up and talk about them you reveal alot more than you "claim" to know..but then you are from an era where everyone lied about what they really ran and if someone did talk the doses were ultra slashed.. :) :D
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i was asked to coment on the story below,, this is the gh15 official response,, do nto send me this balonie onemore time is fill up the pm box,,4 times is enough! ,,
this story is balonie,, the one who wrote is is balonie,, the all story is fabricated,, asi i said before no one come for anything unless you are narcotic dealer or dealer in general ,,or involove in other suspicious activity of repetetive nature and KNOWN to le has in having past! ,, if storys like the balonie underneath here was true....fellas like jason cutler,, dex jax,, phillsulina ,,denis,, and all ifbb top 10 would be sitting in prison and jail ,,do you see us sitting in jail? why do you even bring this story to me for comments? cant you see its made up balonie? i dont get it you been to gh15 university and you still believ this balonie? wize up fellas
dimissed with CAPITAL D,,the dea wont even waste one galon of gas to come to your house ,,they like big money rolling,,they like fellas who make bgi money everymonths and has possessions,, ,good shiney cars,, houses they bought ,, not some retards who make up balonie on internet,, dea deal with REAL LEGIT DEALERS! AND THE DEALERS THEY DEAL WITH SELL IN 9 OUT OF 10 TIMES MUCH MUCH MORE THAN HORMONES...LOTS OF NARCOTIC INVOLVMENT
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BUSTED. My story for others to learn from...
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I've been on various boards for 10+ years under a different name. If I mentioned my former screen name, a few of you might know me from a different board. But I'm starting over, fresh, with a new name.
One thing I want to point out right from the start, is the amount of misinformation regarding how law enforcement views steroids. I've always seen (and still do) posts from guys saying that cops and feds don't care about personal-use cases. BULLSHIT. I just spent 18 months in a federal prison for ordering 3 - 10ml bottles of test, and it was my first offense ever. Here's how it went down:
My buddy and I used to go in together on orders. We'd send the money via wire transfer under one fake name, then have the package sent to a different fake name. We never used the same name twice. We did this for several years.
Several years ago I needed some more clomid and volva, so I told my buddy I was going to place an order. Since I was placing an order, he wanted to get 2 extra bottles of test, so I figured I'd get an extra bottle as well. So the order was 3 bottles (10ml ea) plus 50-ish tabs of nolva and clomid. That's it.
The order was supposed to be shipped domestically (via a common sponsor of various sites, but not on here), however it came from overseas. When it didn't arrive in a couple months, I emailed the source. He said it had been shipped and the tracking # said it was delivered. But it hadn't been. I knew immediately something was up.
A few months later (now about 6 months from the date of order), my buddy calls me. He just got home from work to have his wife tell him that the postal carrier came by asking for the fictitious name and saying there was a package to be signed for. She said she didn't know who that person was, and no one lived there by name. The postal carrier then asked if anyone from her house had ordered something from overseas lately. She said no. Postal carrier then leaves. My buddy and I decided that we needed to clean house.
A couple weeks later, the postal carrier returns while my buddy is home. Again, he asks for the fictitious name, and my buddy tells him no one lives there by that name. Then the guy pulls out his badge and ID's himself as a DEA agent. Then out of nowhere comes about 10 patrol cars and a goddamn SWAT van. My buddy holds his ground while the guy accuses him of placing an order. My buddy tells him that if he's being accused of a crime, he needs to speak with an attorney. The DEA agent gets heated and yells “this isn't the last of this!” as he walks away.
We didn't hear anything for 6 months. Then out of the blue, I get a phone call from the DEA agent. He'd subpoena'd my buddy's phone records and got my number from there. He asks me if I knew anything about my buddy's involvement in the “importation of steroids into the United States.” Nope, I don't know shit. He then asks me if I'm involved, so I tell him that it sounds like I'm being accused of a very serious crime, and I should consult with an attorney before answering anything else. The conversation ends.
The DEA agent keeps calling my buddy and I, randomly, over the next year and a half, so I end up retaining an attorney, to the tune of 20k for a Federal case. Awesome. Each time, we just hang up on the agent.
During this time, I find out that the agent has contacted most of mine and my buddy's friends, asking if they know anything about us using steroids. I even get calls from a few ex's who said the agent called them asking questions. And these were girls I hadn't talked to in at least 5 years.
The DEA agent ends up showing up at my work to tell my boss I'm under investigation, to which my boss actually stuck up for me and told him to get off the job site. He did the same thing to my buddy's work, with similar results. He also showed up at an ex's job to harass her about it, but her boss also told him to beat it.
I asked my attorney about this, and he said that was pretty standard for the Feds. Nothing we could do about it.
Around this time is when I discovered that my phone had been tapped. The dumbass agent kept asking my friends about things unrelated to the case, that I talked about only over the phone. Almost as if they wanted me to know it was tapped, but I really don't think that was their intention.
Next comes a Grand Jury subpoena for my buddy. At this point, he's shitting his pants. He hadn't hired an attorney yet because he's a cheap bastard even though he could've afforded it. So what does he do? He hires a local DUI attorney with zero Federal case experience. Genius. So rather than going to the Grand Jury and pleading the 5th, and making the DEA prove their case, he cuts a deal at the advice of his attorney. He rats me out completely.
It turns out that the DEA went as far as to check the entire state for a wire transfer to the overseas location. They found several throughout the state so they sent each one to the FBI for fingerprinting and handwriting analysis. They found a match. They also located one crazy ex of mine who told them that she knew I was taking steroids and that she'd regularly seen them in my house. She agreed to testify against me. So with all of this, my options were to take a plea, or fork over another 15k to go to trial against all of this evidence. I was broke at this point, so I took a plea.
The Fed prosecutor recommended probation only, which was the plea we agreed upon. But in the Fed system there are no guarantees and there isn't jackshit you can do about it. You're at the mercy of the judge. He gave me 18 months in a Fed prison, with ZERO prior criminal history. And of course they sent me across the country so I couldn't see my kids the entire time.
Part of the harsh sentence was probably because they suspected that I knew the names of others who were juicing, yet I didn't tell them shit. And they were EXTREMELY interested in just casual users.
All of this was over 3 bottles of test, only one of which was actually mine. It took almost 4 years from beginning to end, not including my prison time. My attorneys estimated the Feds spent at least 500k on prosecuting a couple hundred bucks worth of gear.
I'm only writing this to let people know how crazy the Feds are getting over steroids. Hopefully my story will help someone not lose their freedom over getting into better shape.
Good luck fellas.
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After a few sentences I smelled bullshit, but this one paragraph really sealed it for me.
"The DEA agent ends up showing up at my work to tell my boss I'm under investigation, to which my boss actually stuck up for me and told him to get off the job site. He did the same thing to my buddy's work, with similar results. He also showed up at an ex's job to harass her about it, but her boss also told him to beat it."
Alrighty....
Also FWIW, LE handles gear cases a bit differently. You have to understand, feds want open and shut cases. Period! They have something like a 98% conviction rate. They aren't running around asking employers about you, or talking to ex girlfriends, they are planting devices in the package you ordered overseas or domestic and waiting for you to open the box. They are waiting for you to sign for an order (biggest no no when ordering) and then they can bust through your front door and search your house. They are at the gym, trying to buddy up with guys who look swole, sometimes for a long time. I believe Raw Deal and a few other investigations took roughly 2 years. USUALLY bigger cases get the extra time, smaller cases get a year max. If a cop/fed has decided he can get you, you will know in about a year. If you have not known a person for at least 2 years, assume they could be LE, IMO.
Anyway, that is not set in stone, for sure things change and you can never be too careful but I will say this, there are always clues about who you are dealing with, their true motives etc. If you can not read people or situations well, you need to keep your nose out of that kind of shit (narcotics, gear etc) because you may well end up behind bars.
I will also say I have heard of wacky stories involving local cops kind of like what has been posted above, but these are small town type things. Sometimes sherifs get a bug up their ass and decide to target someone, but like gh15 says there are usually underlying reasons for that. If anyone bothers to pay attention, dealers get busted for a variety of reasons, but more often than not there are a few things in common.
Dealer was being reckless, advertising way too much.
Dealer sells recreational drugs right along with gear.
Dealer has a bad rep in his area as pushing drugs to kids.
Dealer makes a shitload of money and flaunts it (LE HATES that).
Dealers who stay low key and are picky of their customers normally make it, though technically it's always only a matter of time.
And FWIW, if you source, and have been for 6 months or longer, I promise you LE is well aware of you. I suspect they know almost all sources and could probably bust them anytime they want. Much like the government keeping an eye on hackers without busting them. Keep your fingers in as many pies as possible, and pick out the most delicious ones to bust when the time is right. About sums up what they do.
Oh, and one source I recall set up a myspace and openly advertised in a mannor that was clearly meant to attract teenagers. Not a very smart thing to do! Selling drugs to kids is bad bad bad. YOU are diggin your own grave.
MM
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yes,, the dea when creating a bust ,,true bust is working first and formost not on he say ,,they work on evidence and something you can touch and see,, they HAVE CONTACT WITH the fella via agents...and its usualy not one fella its usualy involving more than one fella who get busted...few fellas usualy ,, now the dea is really paying attention to the big picture aka to dealers who roll big money but also to the ones who sell the thing thay really really after and it is narcotics/pain killers and 99% of dealers who get bust do sell those,,
the dea is not a bunch of retards,, they are not some no ones who just started to work in this field,,they first and formost experienced investigatore....they go for realy in some cases public safety with very very unsterile practices and they check the gear they ORDER! they also go for as i said narcotics and pain killers and if they are part of the hormones...then yes that dealer is down ,,
rememebr the dea thewmselves some of them do hormones,, some of their family members are in sports and do hormones...again they are not some dumb operators of the law...they know exactly whats up and thats why they spare personal users because they ar after the HEAD of the snake,, and that snake usualy when they bust it sell much more than hormones and has past and big past of convictions and fellonies,,
i have yet to see one single case where personal user was busted ,,ONE SINGLE CASE,, where narcotics and pain killers where nto part of it ,,or the fella been a dealer and i mean good 10 k ampolas dealer,, not some 20 ampols...good many many vials that ae supplieed on regular basis and even thsoe dealer!! they usualy get ratted and there is more than hormones involved ...
again i have yet to see or hear about ONE SINGLE CASE of personal user with clean past and good resident....that been basted due to an order few vials of testosterona ...have not seen even ONE SINGLE CASE IN ALL THE YEARS,,
when dea bust the fella ...that fella is on the scope for long time DEALING WITH THE DEA...ACTUALY SELL THEM!
gh15 approved
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Princess L approved
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but but but butbut butbut but! youre a liar! you said you didnt have a clue to what trenbolona is was and never used it,,, you are the problem of this cult,, it is mute thing to argue with you ,, it is a bgi big problem ,,it is americana problem that i tried to heal in the last 6 years and i suceseeded ,, but as you know like with everything you sacrifice some to save some ,,and i decided to sacrifice the generation of you and of noel and of the dantas... i saved the youger generation FOR THEY SHALL SEE what truth is and how truth should truly be,, for i walked the walk and talk the talk ,, for i shall demonstrated to them in many ways the whys and the hows,,
lastly ,, your knowledge of football team drug intake is nada,, reason is? i know what they get ,, i know how much they get ,, and i know how they distribute it ,, and no it is NOT human grade ,,some is some not
gh15 approved
PREACH!!!!...GH15 IS A GOD!!!
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bi shape and length as well as tri shape and length is 100% genetics,
meaning when you see guys with short bis like king kamali etc there is nothing he can do to fix it
LOL.....I Know........I enjoy laughing at those people as they try drop-sets, pre-exhaust,high reps, forced reps.....in a futile attempt to make their shitty arms less shitty....ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!
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LOL.....I Know........I enjoy laughing at those people as they try drop-sets, pre-exhaust,high reps, forced reps.....in a futile attempt to make their shitty arms less shitty....ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!
says the tool afraid of pins.... jokes on you bud
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LOL.....I Know........I enjoy laughing at those people as they try drop-sets, pre-exhaust,high reps, forced reps.....in a futile attempt to make their shitty arms less shitty....ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!
that's why i say already. for example branch warren. these guys try everything in the book. often working them twice a week or even more frequently. if basic motions/protocols don't work then all these obscure training methods wont work either.
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says the tool afraid of pins.... jokes on you bud
You need to get caught up ;)
New pic coming soon sitting at 253 @ 9%......got ABS now bitches
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You need to get caught up ;)
New pic coming soon sitting at 253 @ 9%......got ABS now bitches
That`s what I`m talkin` ` bout babyyyyyyyyyyyy!!