The irony behind all of that is they will be the first to call you gay because you can't relate with them on a shit brain level. Little do they know though is that their male bonding session is nothing more then homoerotic testing of the waters to see who nibbles at the bait. "Lets go to my man cave so i can show you my autographed baseball from 1986". YAAWWWWWNNN..... The only way i'd go see an autographed baseball in someones "man cave" is if i had sexual interest. And what is all the fuss over "man caves". I feel like that is a word distributed around the gay community to refer to a "man pussy" or butthole. If someone asked me to come visit their "man cave" id probably punch them in the frakking face. By the Eternal!
thats a very humorous and insightful point of view but, simply, its usually not true (the part about male bonding being homosexual in nature). i do sympathize with the view that ALL human communication includes at least a very subtle undertone of sexuality to it, but in the case of man caves, football games, drinking beers and talking cars, playing cards and smoking cigars, these types of male bonding behaviors are usually dominated by platonic, competitive, brotherly and fatherly sentiments. not sexual ones.
turning towards your own point of view, i wonder if you behave and converse in a "masculine" way when in groups of women. and what i mean by "masculine" is not talk about sports, drink beers, socialize and be obnoxious, etc. what i mean by "masculine" is strong and silent, doesnt speak unless the words spoken are necessary or profound. listens much more than talks. taking a reserved role, letting the others play for the attention of the group, etc.
many times i see guys who are very friendly with women (and do quite well with them in terms of flirting, hooking up, etc), but their behavior in doing so is very outgoing, very attention seeking, very rambunctiously humorous, sarcastic, cocky. or theres the other type, also outgoing and attention seeking, but more in a competition-with-other's sort of way, always trying to impress people, athletic, striving to be the "alpha" and projecting that to women.
to me, these two types of personalities usually appear very weak and attention seeking. now, there is definiely a time for lively humorous behavior and for alpha-male competitiveness, but basing your interactions with people, especially women, on these kinds of behaviors to me projects a deep need of approval and a general unnattractive weakness in character.
and you know what.. alot of women agree with me!! the consider it a female trait, the attention seeking need-of-approval. ( though it really isnt a female trait anymore than it is a male trait however. males do it all the time. ) and they dont find it attractive.
now, most women are completely fine with the outgoing, attention seeking behavior of the loud and humorous male and of the obnoxious and competitive male as well. they dont see it as weak, they think its cute, and they are generally attracted to it.
its a minority who view such behavior as unattractive, and most of them who do still see the loud and humorous guy as cute and the obnoxious and competitive guy as kind of sexy. they wouldnt want to be in a relationship with either though, that is for sure. these women are usually very wise and fairly attractive themselves. not the usual type of broad.
anyways, just spilling some thoughts out ... you probably shouldnt take any thing i said as value judgements.. just perspective..
