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http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/04/politics/james-brady-dies/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 (http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/04/politics/james-brady-dies/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)
James Brady, former Reagan press secretary, gun-control advocate, dies
(CNN) -- James Brady, former press secretary to Ronald Reagan who was severely wounded in a 1981 assassination attempt on the President, has died, the White House said on Monday.
He was 73.
Following the shooting of Reagan in Washington that left Brady partially paralyzed and in a wheelchair, he became one of the nation's most prominent gun-control advocates.
Reagan's first press secretary, Brady was one of four people hurt when John Hinckley opened fire on Reagan as he left a hotel.
After leaving the White House, Brady launched the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, which pushes for stricter firearms laws.
He inspired the so-called Brady Bill, which was a fiercely fought over measure that requires background checks for gun purchases.
James Brady on gun control and mental illness
Remembering Reagan assassination attempt
The White House confirmed Brady's death and praised his legacy.
"He is somebody who I think really revolutionized this job and even after he was wounded in that attack on the president, was somebody who showed his patriotism and commitment to the country by being very outspoken on an issue that was important to him and that he felt very strongly about," White House spokesman Josh Earnest said.
The Brady Campaign acknowledged his death in a tweet: "We are heartbroken over James Brady's passing. We offer our deepest condolences to his wife, Sarah, and their family."
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Lived over 30 years after catching one in the head.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/10/article-2306924-1938FF65000005DC-473_634x427.jpg)
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I remember seeing his bio film on HBO as a kid. Made me weep.
R.I.P.
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Sucks that he got shot, but he decided to dedicate the rest of his life to attacking everyday americans and their rights instead of actually going after the criminals and the crazies and actually trying to address the problem.....so fuck 'em.
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Sucks that he got shot, but he decided to dedicate the rest of his life to attacking everyday americans and their rights instead of actually going after the criminals and the crazies and actually trying to address the problem.....so fuck 'em.
I prefer much tougher punishment for those who break EXISTING gun laws.
A person can pull a gun in anger or fire a weapon, and he's back on the streets in a year. unreal. triple all violent crime sentences, you want a deterrant. Making us law-abiders wait longer or limit mag size doesn't prevent crime. Incarcerating proven violent felons does.
I'd love to see a guy have a heart attack from fast food and dedicate the next 30 years of his life to blocking people from drive-thru fast-food service with a variety of parking lot obstructions and other silly regulations. The rampant pigging out is still present - but the parking lot is a mess now.
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Good riddance
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Good riddance
Sucks that he got shot, but he decided to dedicate the rest of his life to attacking everyday americans and their rights instead of actually going after the criminals and the crazies and actually trying to address the problem.....so fuck 'em.
Yes, a minimum background check and possibly a short waiting period is such an inconvenience when I want to go on a shooting spree today
How could Brady and Reagan want to "attack" Americans like that
I can't believe this asshole thinks he has some right to talk about senseless gun violence just because some deranged freak shot in him the face. Fuck, who does he think he is trying to express an opinion an influence legislation. Fucking Communist.
Don't forget to save some of your hatred for comrade Reagan
http://www.nytimes.com/1991/03/29/opinion/why-i-m-for-the-brady-bill.html
March 29, 1991
Why I'm for the Brady Bill
By Ronald Reagan; Ronald Reagan, in announcing support for the Brady bill yesterday, reminded his audience he is a member of the National Rifle Association.
LOS ANGELES—
"Anniversary" is a word we usually associate with happy events that we like to remember: birthdays, weddings, the first job. March 30, however, marks an anniversary I would just as soon forget, but cannot.
It was on that day 10 years ago that a deranged young man standing among reporters and photographers shot a policeman, a Secret Service agent, my press secretary and me on a Washington sidewalk.
I was lucky. The bullet that hit me bounced off a rib and lodged in my lung, an inch from my heart. It was a very close call. Twice they could not find my pulse. But the bullet's missing my heart, the skill of the doctors and nurses at George Washington University Hospital and the steadfast support of my wife, Nancy, saved my life.
Jim Brady, my press secretary, who was standing next to me, wasn't as lucky. A bullet entered the left side of his forehead, near his eye, and passed through the right side of his brain before it exited. The skills of the George Washington University medical team, plus his amazing determination and the grit and spirit of his wife, Sarah, pulled Jim through. His recovery has been remarkable, but he still lives with physical pain every day and must spend much of his time in a wheelchair.
Thomas Delahanty, a Washington police officer, took a bullet in his neck. It ricocheted off his spinal cord. Nerve damage to his left arm forced his retirement in November 1981.
Tim McCarthy, a Secret Service agent, was shot in the chest and suffered a lacerated liver. He recovered and returned to duty.
Still, four lives were changed forever, and all by a Saturday-night special -- a cheaply made .22 caliber pistol -- purchased in a Dallas pawnshop by a young man with a history of mental disturbance.
This nightmare might never have happened if legislation that is before Congress now -- the Brady bill -- had been law back in 1981.
Named for Jim Brady, this legislation would establish a national seven-day waiting period before a handgun purchaser could take delivery. It would allow local law enforcement officials to do background checks for criminal records or known histories of mental disturbances. Those with such records would be prohibited from buying the handguns.
While there has been a Federal law on the books for more than 20 years that prohibits the sale of firearms to felons, fugitives, drug addicts and the mentally ill, it has no enforcement mechanism and basically works on the honor system, with the purchaser filling out a statement that the gun dealer sticks in a drawer.
The Brady bill would require the handgun dealer to provide a copy of the prospective purchaser's sworn statement to local law enforcement authorities so that background checks could be made. Based upon the evidence in states that already have handgun purchase waiting periods, this bill -- on a nationwide scale -- can't help but stop thousands of illegal handgun purchases.
And, since many handguns are acquired in the heat of passion (to settle a quarrel, for example) or at times of depression brought on by potential suicide, the Brady bill would provide a cooling-off period that would certainly have the effect of reducing the number of handgun deaths.
Critics claim that "waiting period" legislation in the states that have it doesn't work, that criminals just go to nearby states that lack such laws to buy their weapons. True enough, and all the more reason to have a Federal law that fills the gaps. While the Brady bill would not apply to states that already have waiting periods of at least seven days or that already require background checks, it would automatically cover the states that don't. The effect would be a uniform standard across the country.
Even with the current gaps among states, those that have waiting periods report some success. California, which has a 15-day waiting period that I supported and signed into law while Governor, stopped nearly 1,800 prohibited handgun sales in 1989. New Jersey has had a permit-to-purchase system for more than two decades. During that time, according to the state police, more than 10,000 convicted felons have been caught trying to buy handguns.
Every year, an average of 9,200 Americans are murdered by handguns, according to Department of Justice statistics. This does not include suicides or the tens of thousands of robberies, rapes and assaults committed with handguns.
This level of violence must be stopped. Sarah and Jim Brady are working hard to do that, and I say more power to them. If the passage of the Brady bill were to result in a reduction of only 10 or 15 percent of those numbers (and it could be a good deal greater), it would be well worth making it the law of the land.
And there would be a lot fewer families facing anniversaries such as the Bradys, Delahantys, McCarthys and Reagans face every March 30.
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Ive never lavished praise on reagan, not sure why you brought him into this.
And my point stands, everything the Brady campaign does targets and hassles ordinary gun owners, and does nothing to prevent crime. Their goal is the elimination of handgun ownership in america. Tens of millions of americans legally own them and do nothing wrong, but because of .001% of them do something, or if tons of gang bangers with illegally obtained ones do something, then they want to punish and shame the 99.9999% .
And you guys say the tea party are the radicals ::)
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Ive never lavished praise on reagan, not sure why you brought him into this.
And my point stands, everything the Brady campaign does targets and hassles ordinary gun owners, and does nothing to prevent crime. Their goal is the elimination of handgun ownership in america. Tens of millions of americans legally own them and do nothing wrong, but because of .001% of them do something, or if tons of gang bangers with illegally obtained ones do something, then they want to punish and shame the 99.9999% .
And you guys say the tea party are the radicals ::)
I didn't say you lavished praise on him
I brought him into this because you said "fuck him" to Brady and Reagan fully supported the Brady bill so I thought you might want to give Reagan a "fuck him" as well
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I didn't say you lavished praise on him
I brought him into this because you said "fuck him" to Brady and Reagan fully supported the Brady bill so I thought you might want to give Reagan a "fuck him" as well
Trying too hard...really
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Trying too hard...really
you can always address the non-reagan stuff in my post like Brady's blatant "attack" on Americans for the concept of a background check or a short waiting period or how insane it is that a guy who was shot in the head thinking he has some insight on senseless gun violence or that as an American citizen he thinks he has the right to advocate for a cause and try to influence legislation in this country.
Fuck Him
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Trying too hard...really
Seriously. Brady would have been the ultimate beta chump if he intentionally took the bullet meant for a corrupt, warmongering, freedom hating politician.
But getting hit accidentally by a pistol and spending your life trying to take away assault rifles from your fellow citizens is just sad.
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Seriously. Brady would have been the ultimate beta chump if he intentionally took the bullet meant for a corrupt, warmongering, freedom hating politician.
But getting hit accidentally by a pistol and spending your life trying to take away assault rifles from your fellow citizens is just sad.
Brady Bill was about background checks and waiting periods
The assault weapon bill was Feinstein
and yes it is so very sad when someone has to get a background check before they can buy a gun
I can't think of anything sadder except maybe getting shot in the head because some deranged loser thinks it's going to impress Jody Foster
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There is nothing wrong with a basic background check performed by dealers/stores/vendors. No one really has an issue with that (UBC is a totally different story) But they went far beyond that. The stated goal of the Brady campaign and its leaders was the elimination of handgun ownership (and eventually all gun ownership) in america.
Thats how these radicals operate. They fundamentally disagree with gun ownership on the most basic ideological level, but they know they cant just come out and say that or they will be marginalized. So they just start with something innocent sounding and chip, chip, chip away from there. It truly is a slippery slope, as other countries' experiences have shown us...and gun owners know what these peoples' end goals are, and they know that once a particular right is taken away it never, ever comes back. That is why they take such strong stand with this stuff and hold the line because if they give an inch that ground will never be made up.
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I'm shocked that Reagan supported the Brady Bill.
I know he took liberal positions on amnesty and other things, and I know many here have justified it for one reason or another.
but this... he was 6 years out of office when the Brady Bill was signed. There was ZERO benefit for him supporting such a trash liberal bill. I'm shocked, makes zero sense.
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There is nothing wrong with a basic background check performed by dealers/stores/vendors. No one really has an issue with that (UBC is a totally different story) But they went far beyond that. The stated goal of the Brady campaign and its leaders was the elimination of handgun ownership (and eventually all gun ownership) in america.
Thats how these radicals operate. They fundamentally disagree with gun ownership on the most basic ideological level, but they know they cant just come out and say that or they will be marginalized. So they just start with something innocent sounding and chip, chip, chip away from there. It truly is a slippery slope, as other countries' experiences have shown us...and gun owners know what these peoples' end goals are, and they know that once a particular right is taken away it never, ever comes back. That is why they take such strong stand with this stuff and hold the line because if they give an inch that ground will never be made up.
I checked out the Brady Campaign at http://www.bradycampaign.org/ and I could not find what you described at their "stated goal" actually stated on the site. I see sections about gun safety and responsible gun ownership, background checks (they claim 40% of gun sales to this very day are done so with a "Brady background check")
But I don't see where they state that their goal (they being The Brady Campaign) is the elimination of handgun ownership
Can you tell me where you got that information. I assume it is officially stated somewhere since you called it their stated goal. I assume I just missed it
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Their name has 'evolved' over the years...when they started in the 1970's their name was Brady campaign Against Hangun Violence or something like that...then changed to Hangun Control...then 'evolved' again to something more pc, to whatever innocent sounding bullshit name they have now. Same thing with all Bloomberg's groups, they constantly change names to sound pc and 'mainstream'.
And of course they arent going to state their extremist end goal on their website; but that is exactly what their long term goals are. Look at the ideologies of the people in charge of these groups, and read some of the quotes they have let slip over the years. These people absolutely hate guns on the most fundamental level. To them guns are synonymous with crime. To them guns ARE crime.
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The "stated goal" of the patriot act wasn't prosecuting drug dealers or tax evaders either
Only the most media ignorant (or those in safe seats) statists state their intended goals
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Their name has 'evolved' over the years...when they started in the 1970's their name was Brady campaign Against Hangun Violence or something like that...then changed to Hangun Control...then 'evolved' again to something more pc, to whatever innocent sounding bullshit name they have now. Same thing with all Bloomberg's groups, they constantly change names to sound pc and 'mainstream'.
And of course they arent going to state their extremist end goal on their website; but that is exactly what their long term goals are. Look at the ideologies and of the people in charge of these groups, and read some of the quotes they have let slip over the years. These people absolutely hate guns on the most fundamental level. To them guns are synonymous with crime. To them guns ARE crime.
so when you wrote that "The stated goal of the Brady campaign and its leaders was the elimination of handgun ownership" you didn't mean to intend that it was actually "stated" anywhere and you have no proof other than your own paranoia
gotcha
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Their leaders have said as much over the years. Look it up if you want.
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Their leaders have said as much over the years. Look it up if you want.
I tried but couldn't find it which is why I asked you a few posts ago where you got that information
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Their leaders have said as much over the years. Look it up if you want.
Since you made the statement, how about you look it up and validate it? ::)
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If you guys are suggesting one of the oldest and largest gun control groups and its leaders do not actually want gun control and are not deeply anti-gun, then the onus is on YOU to back that up. ::)
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We didn't make the claim. You claimed they stated it. Surely you can find a link. ::)
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Brady Campaign-founded in 1974 under name 'National Council to Control Hanguns'
1980 changed name to "Handgun Control, Inc"
2001 changed name yet again to "Brady Campaign to Prevent Handgun Violence"
Nelson Shields, chairman from 1978-1989, said...quote.."the first problem is to slow down the number of handguns being sold and produced in this country. The second is to get handguns registered. and the final problem is to make the possession of ALL handguns and ALL handgun ammunition-except for the military, police licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors- totally illegal"
Shields estimate it would take ten years to "reach the goal of total control of handguns in the united states"
Theres a little bit for you idiots. Im sure theres plenty more but im not gonna dig it all up on my phone and even if i did, it wouldnt change your minds. Their ideology and goals are clear as day. But if you idiots want to read their 'official' pc puff rhetoric on their website and believe thats as far as it goes, thats fine.
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Brady Campaign-founded in 1974 under name 'National Council to Control Hanguns'
1980 changed name to "Handgun Control, Inc"
2001 changed name yet again to "Brady Campaign to Prevent Handgun Violence"
Nelson Shields, chairman from 1978-1989, said...quote.."the first problem is to slow down the number of handguns being sold and produced in this country. The second is to get handguns registered. and the final problem is to make the possession of ALL handguns and ALL handgun ammunition-except for the military, police licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors- totally illegal"
Shields estimate it would take ten years to "reach the goal of total control of handguns in the united states"
Theres a little bit for you idiots. Im sure theres plenty more but im not gonna dig it all up on my phone and even if i did, it wouldnt change your minds. Their ideology and goals are clear as day. But if you idiots want to read their 'official' pc puff rhetoric on their website and believe thats as far as it goes, thats fine.
great job with the link
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it's funny how many getbiggers - back in 1992 - probably supported "Handguns, Inc".
Several of today's republicans were clinton voters back then, they've admitted.
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it's funny how many getbiggers - back in 1992 - probably supported "Handguns, Inc".
Several of today's republicans were clinton voters back then, they've admitted.
Even funnier how right wingers on this board do not understand the concept of linear time.
The National Gun Control Council was started in 1974 (point of reference Brady was shot in 1981 and had NOTHING to do with the NGCC when that statement was made) and John Matrix conveniently chose not to provide a link to his selective quote. Hmm... I wonder why?
Here is the quote from Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_Campaign
In July 1976, Shields estimated that it would take seven to ten years for NCCH to reach the goal of "total control of handguns in the United States." He said:
"The first problem is to slow down the increasing number of handguns being produced and sold in this country. The second is to get handguns registered. And the final problem is to make the possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition - except for the military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed sporing clubs, and licensed gun collectors - totally illegal."[13]
However, by 1987, Shields said that he believed "in the right of law-abiding citizens to possess handguns... for legitimate purposes."[14]
In November 2008, Brady president Helmke, a former Republican mayor of Fort Wayne, Indiana, endorsed the American Hunters and Shooters Association saying, "I see our issues as complementary to theirs." He said, "The Brady Campaign is not just East Coast liberal Democrats."[15]
John why did you choose to leave off that info and why slander James Brady on this site by saying "he decided to dedicate the rest of his life to attacking everyday americans and their rights" when this is clearly not the case and even after the original Chairman Pete Shields disavowed that objective in 1987. Why do you pretend that something he disavowed 27 years ago was still the case today.
If fact you said it was their "stated mission" as if it was their present date "stated mission"
Funny thing is that he very source where you got that quote from 1974 also has their actual "stated mission"
which they got from the Brady Campaign Website
The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence works to pass, enforce, and protect sensible laws and public policy that address gun violence at the federal and state levels. We do this by engaging and activating the American public, electing officials who support common sense gun laws, and increasing public awareness of gun violence. Through our advocacy campaigns and Million Mom March and Brady Chapters, we work locally to educate people about the risks of gun ownership, honor victims of gun violence, and pass sensible gun laws.
The Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence develops and implements extensive public health and safety programs and utilizes the courts to reduce gun violence. Through our Legal Action Project, we represent victims of gun violence in cases against irresponsible gun sellers and owners. Through our public health and safety programs, we inspire safer attitudes and behaviors around the 300 million guns already in our homes and communities and new gun purchases taking place every day.[17]
Here is what I don't understand
Why the willful ignorance on your part when you clearly had access to accurate information?
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Even funnier how right wingers on this board do not understand the concept of linear time.
The National Gun Control Council was started in 1974 (point of reference Brady was shot in 1981 and had NOTHING to do with the NGCC when that statement was made) and John Matrix conveniently chose not to provide a link to his selective quote. Hmm... I wonder why?
Here is the quote from Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_Campaign
John why did you choose to leave off that info and why slander James Brady on this site by saying "he decided to dedicate the rest of his life to attacking everyday americans and their rights" when this is clearly not the case and even after the original Chairman Pete Shields disavowed that objective in 1987. Why do you pretend that something he disavowed 27 years ago was still the case today.
If fact you said it was their "stated mission" as if it was their present date "stated mission"
Funny thing is that he very source where you got that quote from 1974 also has their actual "stated mission"
which they got from the Brady Campaign Website
Here is what I don't understand
Why the willful ignorance on your part when you clearly had access to accurate information?
He had admitted being a partisan shill spinner. So what do you expect?
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He had admitted being a partisan shill spinner. So what do you expect?
Well I guess if he is going to lie to us he first has to lie to himself
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Well I guess if he is going to lie to us he first has to lie to himself
Rove-ian-ism 101. If you repeat a lie often enough it becomes the truth.
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Hahaha, i dont even know where to start. So you guys are suggesting these prominent gun control groups are...not really after gun control? ::)
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I gotta wonder how many "repubs" on getbig today supported the Brady Bill back then.
They love reagan, and he loved the brady bill.
They love Bush2, and he said he'd keep it in place if congress would let him.
THey love Clinton, voted for him... and he gave us the bag of shit brady bill.
They'll tell us "I hated the brady bill, but wow I loved all the presidents that supported it."
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I gotta wonder how many "repubs" on getbig today supported the Brady Bill back then.
They love reagan, and he loved the brady bill.
They love Bush2, and he said he'd keep it in place if congress would let him.
THey love Clinton, voted for him... and he gave us the bag of shit brady bill.
They'll tell us "I hated the brady bill, but wow I loved all the presidents that supported it."
What the hell are you talking about??
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I gotta wonder how many "repubs" on getbig today supported the Brady Bill back then.
They love reagan, and he loved the brady bill.
They love Bush2, and he said he'd keep it in place if congress would let him.
THey love Clinton, voted for him... and he gave us the bag of shit brady bill.
They'll tell us "I hated the brady bill, but wow I loved all the presidents that supported it."
The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act is mostly about background checks.
It's basically the LEAST we can do to keep guns out of the hands of lunatics
Who in their right mind would have a problem with that?
Provisions
The Brady Act requires that background checks be conducted on individuals before a firearm may be purchased from a federally licensed dealer, manufacturer or importer—unless an exception applies. If there are no additional state restrictions, a firearm may be transferred to an individual upon approval by the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) maintained by the FBI. In some states, proof of a previous background check can be used to bypass the NICS check. For example, a state-issued concealed carry permit usually includes a background check equivalent to the one required by the Act. Other alternatives to the NICS check include state-issued handgun purchase permits or mandatory state or local background checks.
Section 922(g) of the Brady Act prohibits certain persons from shipping or transporting any firearm in interstate or foreign commerce, or receiving any firearm which has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce, or possessing any firearm in or affecting commerce. These prohibitions apply to any person who:
Has been convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
Is a fugitive from justice;
Is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance;
Has been adjudicated as a mental defective or committed to a mental institution;
Is an alien illegally or unlawfully in the United States;
Has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;
Having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced U.S. citizenship;
Is subject to a court order that restrains the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such intimate partner, or;
Has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.
Section 922(n) of the Act makes it unlawful for any person who is under indictment for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year to ship or transport any firearm in interstate or foreign commerce, or receive any firearm which has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce.[1]
Currently, 92% of Brady background checks through NICS are completed while the FBI is still on the phone with the gun dealer.[2] In rare cases, a gun purchaser may have to wait for up to three business days if the NICS system fails to positively approve or deny his/her application to purchase a firearm. If a denial is not issued within those three days, the transfer may be completed at that time. Lawful permanent residents, who by law should not be subjected to any different or additional hindrances, are routinely delayed for processing, creating a disparate impact of any such purchaser.
Firearm transfers by unlicensed private sellers that are "not engaged in the business" of dealing firearms are not subject to the Brady Act, but may be covered under other federal, state, and local restrictions.
The Brady Act also does not apply to licensed Curios & Relics (C&R) collectors, but only in respect to C&R firearms.[3] The FFL Category 03 Curio & Relic license costs $30 and is valid for 3 years. Licensed C&R collectors may also purchase C&R firearms from private individuals or from federal firearms dealers, whether in their home state or in another state, and ship C&R firearms in interstate commerce by common carrier. Curios or relics are defined in 27 C.F.R. 478.11 as "Firearms which are of special interest to collectors by reason of some quality other than is associated with firearms intended for sporting use or as offensive or defensive weapons." The regulation further states:
To be recognized as curios or relics, firearms must fall within one of the following categories:
(a) Firearms which were manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date, but not including replicas thereof;
(b) Firearms which are certified by the curator of a municipal, State, or Federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest; or
(c) Any other firearms which derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or because of their association with some historical figure, period, or event. Proof of qualification of a particular firearm under this category may be established by evidence of present value and evidence that like firearms are not available except as collector's items, or that the value of like firearms available in ordinary commercial channels is substantially less.
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Hahaha, i dont even know where to start. So you guys are suggesting these prominent gun control groups are...not really after gun control? ::)
It's pathetic how you think modest gun control measures = elimination of handgun ownership
Even more pathetic is saying that it IS (present tense) the stated goal of the Brady Campaign when you have proof that is totally false. It was a statement made by Pete Shields of National Council to Control Handguns and was made in 1974.
You posted a quote without a link and conveniently left off the part where the person (Pete Shields ) who made the statement about the elimination of handguns later made the statement that he "believed "in the right of law-abiding citizens to possess handguns... for legitimate purposes."
Again, Brady never made these statements and they are not the stated goal of the Brady Campaign.
This is willful and flagrant dishonesty on your part
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It's pathetic how you think modest gun control measures = elimination of handgun ownership
Even more pathetic is saying that it IS (present tense) the stated goal of the Brady Campaign when you have proof that is totally false. It was a statement made by Pete Shields of National Council to Control Handguns and was made in 1974.
You posted a quote without a link and conveniently left off the part where the person (Pete Shields ) who made the statement about the elimination of handguns later made the statement that he "believed "in the right of law-abiding citizens to possess handguns... for legitimate purposes."
Again, Brady never made these statements and they are not the stated goal of the Brady Campaign.
This is willful and flagrant dishonesty on your part
No it is him just following through on his admittance to being a biased partisan hack.
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It's pathetic how you think modest gun control measures = elimination of handgun ownership
Even more pathetic is saying that it IS (present tense) the stated goal of the Brady Campaign when you have proof that is totally false. It was a statement made by Pete Shields of National Council to Control Handguns and was made in 1974.
You posted a quote without a link and conveniently left off the part where the person (Pete Shields ) who made the statement about the elimination of handguns later made the statement that he "believed "in the right of law-abiding citizens to possess handguns... for legitimate purposes."
Again, Brady never made these statements and they are not the stated goal of the Brady Campaign.
This is willful and flagrant dishonesty on your part
Pretending 'modest measures' are all they are after is willful and flagrant dishonesty on your part.
These groups merge, change names, create offshoots, etc...over the years, but their ideology and end goals are the same. Publically stating 'oh all we want is some innocent little ______' is completely predictable. Many of the prominent figures in the Anti movement have let slip their long term intentions/wishes many times...but you guys can continue to be coy by all means.
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Pretending 'modest measures' are all they are after is willful and flagrant dishonesty on your part.
These groups merge, change names, create offshoots, etc...over the years, but their ideology and end goals are the same. Publically stating 'oh all we want is some innocent little ______' is completely predictable. Many of the prominent figures in the Anti movement have let slip their long term intentions/wishes many times...but you guys can continue to be coy by all means.
The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act is about background checks
You already said you were fine with background checks so why did you feel the need to LIE about The Brady Campaign
There is nothing wrong with a basic background check performed by dealers/stores/vendors. No one really has an issue with that (UBC is a totally different story) But they went far beyond that. The stated goal of the Brady campaign and its leaders was the elimination of handgun ownership (and eventually all gun ownership) in america.
Your statement above is a proven lie
That statement was not made by The Brady Campaign and it is not their stated goal
Just curious why you felt the need to lie
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The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act is about background checks
You already said you were fine with background checks so why did you feel the need to LIE about The Brady Campaign
Your statement above is a proven lie
That statement was not made by The Brady Campaign and it is not their stated goal
Just curious why you felt the need to lie
If brady wanted ONE LAW ABIDING PERSON to go without a handgun, then yes, gun ban was his stated goal.
Let's not forget their work went WAY beyond just background checks. I couldn't find a glock mag in 1999. I couldn't buy a rifle in 2002. Shit was triple the price. He used fear and economics to keep guns and to limit defensive capacity.
So yes, many were deprived economically. Maybe Brady didn't use the words "gun ban" but many sure felt it. I don't have to say "rice ban", but if I burn 95% of it and the price goes up tenfold, it's a de facto rice ban...
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If brady wanted ONE LAW ABIDING PERSON to go without a handgun, then yes, gun ban was his stated goal.
Let's not forget their work went WAY beyond just background checks. I couldn't find a glock mag in 1999. I couldn't buy a rifle in 2002. Shit was triple the price. He used fear and economics to keep guns and to limit defensive capacity.
So yes, many were deprived economically. Maybe Brady didn't use the words "gun ban" but many sure felt it. I don't have to say "rice ban", but if I burn 95% of it and the price goes up tenfold, it's a de facto rice ban...
please provide some proof of any of your claims. for example please explain how the Brady Bill prevented you from finding a glock mag in 1999 or a rifle in 2002. Please show me where in the provisions of the bill these are even addressed
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please provide some proof of any of your claims. for example please explain how the Brady Bill prevented you from finding a glock mag in 1999 or a rifle in 2002. Please show me where in the provisions of the bill these are even addressed
Beat around the bush all you want but you know deep down we are right :)
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Beat around the bush all you want but you know deep down we are right :)
On the surface and deep down I've proven you are a liar ;)
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Right, im a liar for saying a gun control group is trying to push gun control ::)
Means a lot coming from a guy who claimed 'NRA members overwhelmingly supported obamas gun legislation' last year ::)
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Right, im a liar for saying a gun control group is trying to push gun control ::)
Means a lot coming from a guy who claimed 'NRA members overwhelmingly supported obamas gun legislation' last year ::)
You're a liar for saying that the stated goal of the Brady campaign and its leaders was the elimination of handgun ownership.
The proof of your lie is on this thread
You're further genuinely dishonest because you took the quote from Shields in 1974 and yet completely ignored his quote in 1987 where he said that he believed in the right of law-abiding citizens to possess handguns.
Why do you feel the need to lie so much just to try to monger fear
BTW - if you want to make a claim about a statement that I made then go find the quote.
I don't trust the memory of a proven and willful liar
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please provide some proof of any of your claims. for example please explain how the Brady Bill prevented you from finding a glock mag in 1999 or a rifle in 2002. Please show me where in the provisions of the bill these are even addressed
Sorry, I wasn't clear - Brady bill was 1993.
In 1994, Brady's HCI was the chief lobbyist for the assault weapons ban, which limited mag capacity and banned many long arms.
I should correct this too "The brady bill didn't affect me in any way, aside from having to wait 20 minutes for the old ass machine to spit out an OK on my sale."
Also I should add, Brady used this success to lead the charge for the piece of shit assault weapons ban :(
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You're a liar for saying that the stated goal of the Brady campaign and its leaders was the elimination of handgun ownership.
The proof of your lie is on this thread
You're further genuinely dishonest because you took the quote from Shields in 1974 and yet completely ignored his quote in 1987 where he said that he believed in the right of law-abiding citizens to possess handguns.
Why do you feel the need to lie so much just to try to monger fear
BTW - if you want to make a claim about a statement that I made then go find the quote.
I don't trust the memory of a proven and willful liar
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Yes, and obama, feinstein and bloomberg are big supporters of the second amendment too, because they said so in a carefully crafted PR release ::)
Their actions and their non-official statements show otherwise. You are being willfully gullible.
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Yes, and obama, feinstein and bloomberg are big supporters of the second amendment too, because they said so in a carefully crafted PR release ::)
Their actions and their non-official statements show otherwise. You are being willfully gullible.
Feel free to start a thread about it if you'd like
This thread is about the passing of James Brady and there is no reason for you to lie about him just to gin up your paranoia that Obama is coming after you guns.
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James Brady’s death ruled homicide by Virginia medical examiner
By Peter Hermann August 8 at 5:21 PM
The death on Monday of President Ronald Reagan’s press secretary James S. Brady, has been ruled a homicide as a result of the gunshot wound he suffered in an assassination attempt on Reagan in 1981, according to District police department’s chief spokeswoman.
There was no immediate word on whether the shooter, John W. Hinckley, who has been treated at St. Elizabeths psychiatric hospital, could face new criminal charges. Hinckley, 59, was found not guilty by reason of insanity after he shot Reagan and three others on March 30, 1981.
The ruling was made by the medical examiner’s office in Virginia, where Brady died in an Alexandria retirement community. The shooting of Brady three decades ago, and the revelation of Hinckley’s mental illness, had largely faded from the headlines until his death this week at age 73.
Barry Wm. Levine, Hinckley’s attorney, said Friday evening that he had not seen the medical examiner’s report, but he felt confident the U.S. Attorneys office would face “insurmountable legal barriers to any prosecution.”
“The idea there is a causal relationship that they can prove that this death came from that assault is fairly far fetched,” he said. “Is there any conceivable theory of facts that would differ from the facts that applied to the prosecution in 1982? Is there something new or different other than the fact that Brady died? [Hinckley] was found not guilty of the assault. How could he be found guilty of the more serious charge?”
Bill Miller, a spokesman for the U.S. attorney’s office, said prosecutors are reviewing the ruling and that his office “has no further comment at this time.”
Gail Hoffman, a Brady family spokesman said she could not immediately comment, adding, “Jim had been suffering health issues since the shooting.”
Brady’s death will now be added to the District’s 2014 homicide list. He becomes the District's 71st homicide of 2014.
Last December a federal judge gave Hinckley more freedom from St. Elizabeth’s, allowing him to spend 17 days a month in Williamsburg, Va., where his elderly mother lives.
“John has lived his whole life since that event, riddled by guilt and he has the greatest respect for the Bradys and the greatest amount of remorse for what happened,” Levine said. “A sensitive public would know that at the time he committed that act, he was ravaged by mental disease.”
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I gotta wonder how many "repubs" on getbig today supported the Brady Bill back then.
They love reagan, and he loved the brady bill.
They love Bush2, and he said he'd keep it in place if congress would let him.
THey love Clinton, voted for him... and he gave us the bag of shit brady bill.
They'll tell us "I hated the brady bill, but wow I loved all the presidents that supported it."
How old were you in 1993?
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How old were you in 1993?
17.
And I sure hated the bill back then. My dad was a federal firearms dealer, so we literally had M16s sitting around the basement as kids, we had a bullet press, etc. Most kids were trying to sneak warm beer, and we were closely following that bag of shit clinton whine about the dangers of guns with 11 bullets, but 10 bullets were just fine. Ugh, he can't control his d**k, but somehow he feels he can control the length of a rifle my family wanted to use for home defense?
And in the 2000s, YES, until 2004... it was near impossible to find a 15 round glock mag. They were $80 or 100, BACK THEN, if you could find them at all. You could still buy the high-caps... you just coudln't manufacture anymore, so the price was insane, even for the cheap knockoffs.