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Is it legal to hang cattle rustlers? ???
Sheriff should step in and run these tyrants off. The Bureau of Land Management set up "First Amendment Zones" in Clark County where they would allow people to exercise their First Amendment rights. The governor did say that's highly offensive, but he won't stand up for States rights either. The ranchers son was arrested, roughed up and held overnight by the BLM for taking photos of their invasion from a public road.
It will cost the Feds $3,000,000 to steal all these cattle.
Armed Fed Agents and Snipers? Nevada Rancher Is Taking on the Gov’t in a Battle That’s Reaching a Breaking Point
Apr. 8, 2014 9:27am Becket Adams
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Armed federal agents deployed last week to northeast Clark County, Nev., for what can only be described as a major escalation in a decades-long standoff between a local cattle rancher and the U.S. government.
Cliven Bundy, the last remaining rancher in the southern Nevada county, stands in defiance of a 2013 court order demanding that he remove his cattle from public land managed by the U.S. Department of the Interior’s Bureau of Land Management.
The 67-year-old veteran rancher, who has compared the situation to similar confrontations with government officials in Ruby Ridge and Waco, Texas, told TheBlaze that his family has used land in the 600,000-acre Gold Butte area since the late 1800s.
“I have raised cattle on that land, which is public land for the people of Clark County, all my life. Why I raise cattle there and why I can raise cattle there is because I have preemptive rights,” he said, explaining that among them is the right to forage.
Read more: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/08/armed-fed-agents-and-snipers-the-decades-long-battle-between-the-govt-and-a-nevada-rancher-that-has-finally-reached-breaking-point/
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***“I have raised cattle on that land, which is public land for the people of Clark County, all my life. Why I raise cattle there and why I can raise cattle there is because I have preemptive rights,” he said, explaining that among them is the right to forage.***
I dont understand his beef here...
He's always been allowed to raise his cattle on land that belonged to the govt.
The govt decided they no longer wanted people raising cattle... on their land.
They asked him to leave.
He suddenly compares their "please get your cows off our lawn" to Waco, where feds used guns, poor tactics, and wasted people?
I think dude's being a little dramatic here. Buy your own 600,000 acres and use it as you wish. He sounds like a liberal... upset that his govt handouts have stopped under Obama?
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I dont understand his beef here...
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***“I have raised cattle on that land, which is public land for the people of Clark County, all my life. Why I raise cattle there and why I can raise cattle there is because I have preemptive rights,” he said, explaining that among them is the right to forage.***
I dont understand his beef here...
He's always been allowed to raise his cattle on land that belonged to the govt.
The govt decided they no longer wanted people raising cattle... on their land.
They asked him to leave.
He suddenly compares their "please get your cows off our lawn" to Waco, where feds used guns, poor tactics, and wasted people?
I think dude's being a little dramatic here. Buy your own 600,000 acres and use it as you wish. He sounds like a liberal... upset that his govt handouts have stopped under Obama?
In Nevada the law says you can graze your cattle on public land. Fuck the feds
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I dont understand his beef here...
He's always been allowed to raise his cattle on land that belonged to the govt.
The govt decided they no longer wanted people raising cattle... on their land.
They asked him to leave.
He suddenly compares their "please get your cows off our lawn" to Waco, where feds used guns, poor tactics, and wasted people?
You are such a transparent government schill. THEIR LAND? How about OUR LAND. It is THE PEOPLE'S land.
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You are such a transparent government schill. THEIR LAND? How about OUR LAND. It is THE PEOPLE'S land.
I agree but is he paying for or cleaning up the land he uses? He pays taxes but im sure what he pays in taxes is less than the impact he has on the land.
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The BLM said they took Dave Bundy into custody following his “failure to comply with multiple requests by BLM law enforcement to leave the temporary closure area on public lands.”
Carol Bundy said five officials took Dave and “threw him on the ground.”
“One put his knee on his head, the other put his boot on his head and pushed him into the gravel,” she said. “He’s got quite a bruised head. Just bruised him up pretty good.”
Environmentalists are praising the government’s forceful actions, which are being taken to protect the “desert tortoise.”
“We’re heartened and thankful that the agencies are finally living up to their stewardship duty,” said Rob Mrowka, a Nevada-based senior scientist with the Center for Biological Diversity. “The Gold Butte area has been officially designated as critical habitat for threatened tortoises—meaning the area is essential to their long-term survival as a species.”
This govt really sucks
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This is a leftist police state run amok. And these agents are really showing how useless this govt it - instead of protecting the border they are busting this guys' balls
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Based on this..240 has a point. Its Gov land..the reasons why the gov is doing this are complete horse shit...further they had snipers locking in on people for taking pictures of the gov removing cattle. This is fucked up and is no longer being handled well by the Gov. Read the shit on Waco that ran a few weeks ago. The gov fucked that up from the get go.
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Based on this..240 has a point. Its Gov land..the reasons why the gov is doing this are complete horse shit...further they had snipers locking in on people for taking pictures of the gov removing cattle. This is fucked up and is no longer being handled well by the Gov. Read the shit on Waco that ran a few weeks ago. The gov fucked that up from the get go.
The govt is out of control. This is a police state now.
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There 's a list somewhere of Gov agencies who have swat teams. Its ridiculous...
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It's not like they're fcking with him, on his own property. It's govt land.
Did they change policy? Yes. They informed him of a temporary closure of one section, and he went apeshit on them.
Maybe the policy sucks. Maybe dude should run for office or start a lobbying company or just feed 600,000 cattle on his own property. Maybe anyone should be allowed to use any govt lands for any purpose. But those things, you handle legally. When a man with badge says to leave this section of govt property - You leave. Don't "make your stand" because your for-profit cattle company needs to graze. Move your cattle or just buy your own property and let them eat there.
Dude overreacted - and him screaming about WACO is way overboard.
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It's not like they're fcking with him, on his own property. It's govt land.
Did they change policy? Yes. They informed him of a temporary closure of one section, and he went apeshit on them.
Maybe the policy sucks. Maybe dude should run for office or start a lobbying company or just feed 600,000 cattle on his own property. Maybe anyone should be allowed to use any govt lands for any purpose. But those things, you handle legally. When a man with badge says to leave this section of govt property - You leave. Don't "make your stand" because your for-profit cattle company needs to graze. Move your cattle or just buy your own property and let them eat there.
Dude overreacted - and him screaming about WACO is way overboard.
240 - "I am a libertarian" - lmfao
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My question is does the ranchers use of the land for cattle cause greater cost to the tax payer and does it also effects other tax payers right to use the land?
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My question is does the ranchers use of the land for cattle cause greater cost to the tax payer and does it also effects other tax payers right to use the land?
No - its about some stupid fucking turtle!
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No - its about some stupid fucking turtle!
A god damn turtle? Turtle soup anyone?
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Yeah.....
They have those at NTC/ FT Irwin CA. They have area's that you can roll into...blocked off in the middle of nowhere. We had a rotation prior to rolling in to Iraq in 2003. An LT from another company, arrogant prick..breached into the turtle sanctuary after being told point blank that he wasn't supposed to do it...they tried to block his tank with a vehicle...he rolled right past and went in. Killed one as I remember. In any event they relieved his ass on the spot and I get a call a few hours later that I was getting an extra officer. I had him all the way through Bagdad...good kid, kicked ass...the event humbled him. We tried to salvage his career but they kicked him out.
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Nevada Governor Calls Federal Cattle Roundup ‘Intimidation’
LAS VEGAS (CBS Las Vegas/AP) — Nevada’s governor is criticizing a federal cattle roundup and what he calls “intimidation” in a dispute with a rancher who claims longstanding grazing rights on open range outside Las Vegas.
Federal Bureau of Land Management and National Park Service officials didn’t immediately respond Wednesday to Republican Gov. Brian Sandoval’s call for the BLM to “reconsider its approach.”
Sandoval says he’s most offended that federal officials have tried to corral people protesting the roundup into a “First Amendment area.”
http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2014/04/09/nevada-governor-calls-federal-cattle-roundup-intimidation/
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This is the leftist paradise - comply with every little stupid fucking reg, edict or get stomped out of existence.
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I wish the Governor would send in the National Guard to attack these Federal criminals.
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This is the leftist paradise - comply with every little stupid fucking reg, edict or get stomped out of existence.
dude, what happened to the days when republicans respected the fcking law, and it was liberal/dems/lawbreakers that thought they were above the law?
Sheesh, it's so confusing. Repubs are the morally strong - they follow the law, they don't lie, they don't settle for amnesty - they are the HIGHER GROUND when it comes to these moral things. Suddenly we're pissed at dems for enforcing the law, and saying repubs should ignore the law? WTF?
Obama is here illegally - should we ignore that law and let him stay?
That idiot dem in state congress in Cali - should we just "skirt" the law and let him run guns?
33, what about that colorado lawmaker that illegally carries (and leaves!) guns in govt buildings - let's just give a wink and a nod, I think you said?
DUDE - Let's start enforcing the fcking law. If you don't like the law - CHANGE IT. Win House in 2014 and white house in 2016 and CHANGE the laws. Everytime I see repubs/conservatives saying "just break the law, brah, it's cool", they aren't realizing they're turning into the scum liberals they detest. :(
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Maybe AG holder will ship the rancher some firearms after all the ranch is "kinda" close to Mexico....
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I think these govt lands should be given to all the illegal aliens that Jeb is inviting to stay.
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The guy had some cattle on public land.....nowhere in there does it require snipers...nowhere. Just like at Waco....Ruby Ridge was different. The guy was involved with weapons.
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This is about radical enviro Nazi communist shitbags getting the Obama junta to stomp out a rancher. And useful idiots like 240 eat it up always./
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The gov has the right to say move your shit. Once that didn't happen, they can fine him etc. I guess they can grab the cattle...but they should dump them on his land. The land grab to save some fucking turtles is ridiculous. Nobody got to vote on that 240....the EPA is way out of control. I suspect if a vote was held, they weren't getting any or all of the acreage to keep the turtles. Once sniper teams were deployed the gov crossed the line. While some of the guys might sympathize with the farmer..somebody there is willing to shoot his entire family over a turtle. Make no mistake getbig...where I ordered to kill unarmed US civilians I would execute the official so ordering that and turn my men and equipment over to Gov Perry or whoever was opposing Obama and his bullshit. The guy is dangerous.
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Exactly HH6 - this pos govt is no longer legitimate whatsoever. its lawsless junta.
People like 240 are a disgrace - they are lemmings to the state and go along w anything and everything.
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240 will be stuck in a camp..cause gun owners even if they turn their shit in..still liked guns and that's a crime in liberal obamaland. So quick to jump on the 9-11 bandwagon...but nothing about Barry.
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In Nevada the law says you can graze your cattle on public land. Fuck the feds
Isn't he supposed to pay grazing fees, though? And didn't he stop paying those fees back in '93?
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This is about radical enviro Nazi communist shitbags getting the Obama junta to stomp out a rancher. And useful idiots like 240 eat it up always./
Rancher has had his say in court numerous times and lost every time.
Rancher not only decided not to comply with court rulings but also went so far as to threaten a "range war" with the Feds.
Shockingly, lol, the Feds take that kind of talk seriously...
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The penalty for grazing cattle on Fed land is a 7.62 bullet to the head. Round up his cattle...dump them in his front lawn...ignore the 'range war" shit and that's the end of it. OR we can go the Obama out of control route and kill his family "see ruby ridge' and make it a goddam rally cry for every ultra far right winger to the folks on Prison planet.
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“It’s high time for the BLM to do its job and give the [endangered desert] tortoises and the Gold Butte area the protection they need and are legally entitled to,” senior Center for Biological Diversity scientist Rob Mrowka told the Mesquite Local News. “As the tortoises emerge from their winter sleep, they are finding their much-needed food consumed by cattle.”
I have raised cattle on that land, which is public land for the people of Clark County, all my life. Why I raise cattle there and why I can raise cattle there is because I have preemptive rights,” he asserted, explaining to TheBlaze that this includes the right to forage, too.
Furthermore, Bundy has argued that it is the United States trespassing on Clark County, Nev., land, not he, and that he is a better steward of the land. He points out that the manure from his cows fertilizes the soil, that he’s built water sources for wildlife, and that his cattle prevent the vegetation from growing overly dense and creating a fire hazard.
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Bundy has vowed to do whatever it takes to protect his property, and his 14 children and hundreds of supporters stand behind him. Dave Bundy, his son, was arrested on Sunday afternoon while attempting to film the contract cowboys at work, and cited for failing to disperse and resisting arrest.
Thus far, 234 cows have been impounded as the Bureau of Land Management has temporarily closed the public recreation area. Bundy’s plea to the Clark County Sheriff to intervene was stymied as the action fell under federal jurisdiction.
While the last rancher in southern Nevada argues “it’s a freedom issue,” federal officials are executing the “no trespassing” court mandate.
Nevada Gov. Brian Sandoval weighed in with a statement Tuesday scolding the Bureau of Land Management:
“Due to the roundup by the BLM, my office has received numerous complaints of BLM misconduct, road closures and other disturbances. I have recently met with state legislators, county officials and concerned citizens to listen to their concerns. I have expressed those concerns directly to the BLM,” Sandoval said.
“Most disturbing to me is the BLM’s establishment of a ‘First Amendment Area’ that tramples upon Nevadans’ fundamental rights under the U.S. Constitution. To that end, I have advised the BLM that such conduct is offensive to me and countless others and that the ‘First Amendment Area’ should be dismantled immediately. No cow justifies the atmosphere of intimidation which currently exists nor the limitation of constitutional rights that are sacred to all Nevadans. The BLM needs to reconsider its approach to this matter and act accordingly.”
Whether violence and bloodshed can be avoided remains to be seen.
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“It’s high time for the BLM to do its job and give the [endangered desert] tortoises and the Gold Butte area the protection they need and are legally entitled to,” senior Center for Biological Diversity scientist Rob Mrowka told the Mesquite Local News. “As the tortoises emerge from their winter sleep, they are finding their much-needed food consumed by cattle.”
I have raised cattle on that land, which is public land for the people of Clark County, all my life. Why I raise cattle there and why I can raise cattle there is because I have preemptive rights,” he asserted, explaining to TheBlaze that this includes the right to forage, too.
Furthermore, Bundy has argued that it is the United States trespassing on Clark County, Nev., land, not he, and that he is a better steward of the land. He points out that the manure from his cows fertilizes the soil, that he’s built water sources for wildlife, and that his cattle prevent the vegetation from growing overly dense and creating a fire hazard.
What does "preemptive" mean in this context? Has the rancher or his family ever actually owned the land in question?
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The penalty for grazing cattle on Fed land is a 7.62 bullet to the head. Round up his cattle...dump them in his front lawn...ignore the 'range war" shit and that's the end of it. OR we can go the Obama out of control route and kill his family "see ruby ridge' and make it a goddam rally cry for every ultra far right winger to the folks on Prison planet.
If I hear what you're saying, I agree with it, mostly. The government should be careful not to overreact and needlessly cause a tragedy here.
Maybe it's a skewed version of how things are (that I get from the media I read/watch) but it unfortuately seems like de-escalation is becoming a lost art these days among government enforcers of all levels.
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I think the Gov took it in the 30's. If 2-3 dudes with weapons holstered, like many the local police show up with the BLM dudes and cattle trucks....nothing much will happen. A 200 man Infantry company supported by sniper teams, helicopters and armored vehicles...yeah this guy is gonna go a little nuts. He appears to have a big family.
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This govt is no longer legit - its a leftist gestapo run by communist shitbags and traitors voted into office by equally worthless pos who want us to become a totalitarian regime where the rights of a turtle outwieigh people eating, etc
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This govt is no longer legit - its a leftist gestapo run by communist shitbags and traitors voted into office by equally worthless pos who want us to become a totalitarian regime where the rights of a turtle outwieigh people eating, etc
Can't be that bad if SC-type folks are allowed to make their noise all day long, though.
Funny story, if you're in the mood. I heard this on a Thai/USA visa forum:
Back in the late days of the GWB admin, a US citizen and his Thai wife went to a parade (in TX, I think) where GWB was going to be passing through. Well, near the street corner where they were standing were a couple of protestors being loud and waving anti-Bush signs. The man thought nothing of it but his Thai woman became noticeably uncomfortable and began urgently telling her husband that she wanted to "klapp baan" (go home). After unsuccessfully trying to find out what was wrong with her, he took her home where he got the whole story: She was worried that government employees or sympathizers would soon be coming by to beat the shit out of those protestors and anyone else in the general vicinity because that's the it often happened in Thailand (under PM Taksin, especially).
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This is about radical enviro Nazi communist shitbags getting the Obama junta to stomp out a rancher. And useful idiots like 240 eat it up always./
you thought lawmakers in Colorado shouldn't have to follow the same gun laws as John Q. Public.
I just think if the land is owned by the federal govt, and they ask you to move - ya can't get all upset about it. Change the law or file paperwork - but the minute he violates the law, then resists arrest - because he feels "entitled" to something that doesn't belong to him? WTF? Liberal territory.
If I dont like a law, I work to change it. I don't just pick and choose which to follow - that's what shitbird liberals do... break the law when they disagree with it. That's what criminals and illegals do. On the other hand, true Americans that respect this nation will follow the law and FIX IT when it's wrong. I mean, do you think this dude should ignore the law cause he disagrees with it? Suppose the crack dealers in NYC decide they disagree with the law. Maybe we stop respecting murder laws too? Dude, the law is the law - cant pick and choose.
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Do you think the government is infallible...because that's what your last post basically says. This guy may be wrong...but if the Gov comes in guns blazing they have abdicated their responsibility under the Constitution. We don't have guns in this country to hunt...we have guns to ensure that the gov does not get out of hand. They got out of hand at Ruby Ridge and Waco. As far as voting goes..yeah every state that has opposed gay marriage did so with a vote...and then the douchbag judges change the law. The EPA can do whatever the fuck it wants.
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Do you think the government is infallible...because that's what your last post basically says. This guy may be wrong...but if the Gov comes in guns blazing they have abdicated their responsibility under the Constitution. We don't have guns in this country to hunt...we have guns to ensure that the gov does not get out of hand. They got out of hand at Ruby Ridge and Waco. As far as voting goes..yeah every state that has opposed gay marriage did so with a vote...and then the douchbag judges change the law. The EPA can do whatever the fuck it wants.
This is about the use of govt lands.
They told him to please move his cattle out of this spot.
He responded by declining and fighting and getting arrested.
Suppose the crack dealer on teh corner decided to "fight" when police told him to stop selling drugs on public street.
Suppose I think I should be able to use the private bathrooms in congress cause I want to shit in style?
Suppose I want to fly my remote control airplane right over restricted air force base?
Suppose I want to have a picnic on the White House lawn? Hey, whats the big deal?
Look, we dont have to like every law, but to start getting rowdy when we don't like it? NOPE.
This isn't a dem or repub thing - I'd have an issue with this dude breaking the law with Bush in office too. If you don't like the law, change it. This reminds me of Jeb saying it's cool for illegals to come here because it's an "Act of love".
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Cause raising cattle is the same as a crack dealer ::)
This is about the use of govt lands.
They told him to please move his cattle out of this spot.
He responded by declining and fighting and getting arrested.
Suppose the crack dealer on teh corner decided to "fight" when police told him to stop selling drugs on public street.
Suppose I think I should be able to use the private bathrooms in congress cause I want to shit in style?
Suppose I want to fly my remote control airplane right over restricted air force base?
Suppose I want to have a picnic on the White House lawn? Hey, whats the big deal?
Look, we dont have to like every law, but to start getting rowdy when we don't like it? NOPE.
This isn't a dem or repub thing - I'd have an issue with this dude breaking the law with Bush in office too. If you don't like the law, change it. This reminds me of Jeb saying it's cool for illegals to come here because it's an "Act of love".
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The dude says its his land.....the gov seized it..now they're going overboard by sending in sniper teams.
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Cause raising cattle is the same as a crack dealer ::)
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So now you're saying it's okay to break small laws, but not big laws?
Or non-violent are okay, but drugs are a problem?
Dude, you can't bend like that. A lawbreaker is a lawbreaker. Crossing border is only a misdemeanor - maybe we just let that go too? :(
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I don't trust the government...and I trust them less now then under Bush. This guy is not slinging rock or crossing the border..he has cattle that graze on land that the fucking EPA wants to hold for friggen turtles. Fuck the turtles.....but ok fine....move his cattle...don't deploy Velcro Commandoes with Remington 700's to scare the shit out of people.
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So now you're saying it's okay to break small laws, but not big laws?
Or non-violent are okay, but drugs are a problem?
Dude, you can't bend like that. A lawbreaker is a lawbreaker. Crossing border is only a misdemeanor - maybe we just let that go too? :(
I can be like that - this is where tyranny takes over and it comes down to lemmings like yourself just sitting idly bye and accepting anything any everything all the time or people saying F You to these worthless scymbags
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I can be like that - this is where tyranny takes over and it comes down to lemmings like yourself just sitting idly bye and accepting anything any everything all the time or people saying F You to these worthless scymbags
Hey, you can call me every name in the book - but you're okay with breaking laws when you see fit. Obama does the same thing, right, and he belongs in prison for it.
This guy is pissed that the govt USED to let his cattle graze on federal lands, and now they temporarily told him to leave one section of it, so he refused and made a stink and ended up resisting arrest and they brought out a sniper because, well, I'm guessing he was armed and he was screaming about some WACO shit?
Can't break laws when it feels good. Change them, don't resort to being a criminal.
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Hey, you can call me every name in the book - but you're okay with breaking laws when you see fit. Obama does the same thing, right, and he belongs in prison for it.
This guy is pissed that the govt USED to let his cattle graze on federal lands, and now they temporarily told him to leave one section of it, so he refused and made a stink and ended up resisting arrest and they brought out a sniper because, well, I'm guessing he was armed and he was screaming about some WACO shit?
Can't break laws when it feels good. Change them, don't resort to being a criminal.
SC sympathizes with the rancher because the rancher is defying the court order out of love, I think. (Also, the rancher happens to be white, lol.)
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The BLM said they took Dave Bundy into custody following his “failure to comply with multiple requests by BLM law enforcement to leave the temporary closure area on public lands.”
That about sums it up. He's ready to go to war because he feels entitled to use land he doesn't own, and they asked him to leave for a bit.
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The BLM said they took Dave Bundy into custody following his “failure to comply with multiple requests by BLM law enforcement to leave the temporary closure area on public lands.”
That about sums it up. He's ready to go to war because he feels entitled to use land he doesn't own, and they asked him to leave for a bit.
Maybe he doesn't trust that this govt will do the right thing by his cattle.
Personally - the fact that the Obama junta puts all this effort into this vs the border speaks volumes.
Not to you I know - but to most people who see the priorities at work here.
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Wow, I read the entire article. The govt was fine with letting him use the land for grazing, as long as he paid the fees. This agreement had worked for 180 years - ranchers pay a fee, and their cattle eat
In 1993, he decided to STOP PAYING the fees. He refused to move his cattle. For 20 years, they've been asking him to pay, or move them. Sounds like he's the liberal here... won't pay for something, but wants to keep using it.
Finally, last year, the govt had enough of him using the land and refusing to pay - So they got a court order and said leave now, or we will confiscate your cattle. So, after another year of waiting, they FINALLY confiscated about 1/3 of his cattle. So he decides to get all WACO and make crazy threats, so they call in a SWAT team in case he is serious, and they arrest him.
Dude... this guy's a leech. Refused to pay his bills for 20 years then tries to throw down. Unreal anyone can defend him.
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Wow, I read the entire article. The govt was fine with letting him use the land for grazing, as long as he paid the fees. This agreement had worked for 180 years - ranchers pay a fee, and their cattle eat
In 1993, he decided to STOP PAYING the fees. He refused to move his cattle. For 20 years, they've been asking him to pay, or move them. Sounds like he's the liberal here... won't pay for something, but wants to keep using it.
Finally, last year, the govt had enough of him using the land and refusing to pay - So they got a court order and said leave now, or we will confiscate your cattle. So, after another year of waiting, they FINALLY confiscated about 1/3 of his cattle. So he decides to get all WACO and make crazy threats, so they call in a SWAT team in case he is serious, and they arrest him.
Dude... this guy's a leech. Refused to pay his bills for 20 years then tries to throw down. Unreal anyone can defend him.
Yeah - funny - when I enforce a judgemwent on a deadbeat - I am not able to bring out snipers
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I have a huge issue with the use of force....that's the issue her efor me.
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Wow, I read the entire article. The govt was fine with letting him use the land for grazing, as long as he paid the fees. This agreement had worked for 180 years - ranchers pay a fee, and their cattle eat
In 1993, he decided to STOP PAYING the fees. He refused to move his cattle. For 20 years, they've been asking him to pay, or move them. Sounds like he's the liberal here... won't pay for something, but wants to keep using it.
Finally, last year, the govt had enough of him using the land and refusing to pay - So they got a court order and said leave now, or we will confiscate your cattle. So, after another year of waiting, they FINALLY confiscated about 1/3 of his cattle. So he decides to get all WACO and make crazy threats, so they call in a SWAT team in case he is serious, and they arrest him.
Dude... this guy's a leech. Refused to pay his bills for 20 years then tries to throw down. Unreal anyone can defend him.
Rancher needs to pay. Hes using more resources than he pays in taxes.
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Rancher needs to pay. Hes using more resources than he pays in taxes.
for almost 20 years, he's been neglecting his bills. Just stopped paying but still enjoying the govt handouts. Now they finally boot him... and he's crying because he doesn't like the look of their guns.
Personally... if I'm the LEO in charge... dealing with some angry dude yelling about WACO and refusing to obey the law for 20 years... I'm bringing all the 50cal I can and keeping my distance too. Sounds like rancher is looking for a confrontation. Yes, I"m keeping distance.
Also, we're talking about confiscation of hundreds of cattle over hundreds of square miles of space? Yes, I suppose a 9mm would be QUITE inneffective out there. I'd choose an AR at worst, and a nice scoped rifle at best if I had to work out there. Does anyone know what is commonly used weaponry when dealing with irate deadbeat screaming about WACO + animal confiscation over hundreds of miles? Sounds like a scoped weapon is just common sense here.
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LOL - there is no confirmation that "snipers" are being used.
yes, armed police are on the scene to handle the case. The "sniper" claim was issued by the man who resisted police and didn't pay his bill for 20 years, right?
This story is going to be one of those where, in a week or two, we're all shaking our heads at the "victim" here. Dude doesn't pay his bills for 20 years, totaling $1.1million, and then his only beef is that he didn't like the kind of guns he saw when they finally booted his ass off their lands. UNREAL that people will take his side here. Deadbeat whining about the kind of guns people use on THEIR property while trying to remove him, after he racks up over a million in bills breaking the law for 20 years.
Reminds me of how everyone thought zimmerman/kadaffi/putin was such a good guy... because they hated his adversary worse lol. Most of us would normally look at this dude as a deadbeat whining about guns lol.
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Related? ???
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/04/Harry-Reid-s-Son-Representing-Chinese-Solar-Panel-Plant-In-5-Billion-Nevada-Deal
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Dude doesn't pay his bills for 20 years, totaling $1.1million,
His family has been on this land since the 1800's, the fees only began in 1993 (no federal fee's prior) as a way for the Federal Government to run off the Ranchers even though prior to that it was State land, not Federal. I mean honestly 240, have u seen photos of the land? do you really think a Rancher could afford to pay that amount of fees for land with not much grass? It's not possible which is exactly why the Fed's put it in place in 1993, they knew that it wouldn't be profitable for any Rancher to pay it, therefore running off the Ranchers (the Fed's true motive) who had been there for many years.
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it can't be that serious; even the brains on the Glenn Beck radio today were siding with the govmint on this issue.
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This man’s family has raised cows on this land since 1877. They paid taxes on it and it was theirs to use until the Federal Government decided to force them off it so it could be turned into a reserve for tortoises ::). This rancher was forced to pay an extra tax in order to be allowed to graze cattle on the land. He finally said he wasn’t going to pay a grazing fee to the same outfit which has been trying to roust him off of his land. It felt as if he was giving them money with which to fight him. It doesn’t seem to matter to the government that those tortoises have survived generations of buffalo grazing those same grasslands. The tortoises don’t need protection from the feet of cows when larger buffalo feet didn’t do them in. They are not in any danger of going extinct. The government just wants the land and any excuse will do.
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http://www.infowars.com/breaking-sen-harry-reid-behind-blm-land-grab-of-bundy-ranch
And now we get to the bottom of this.
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agreed it sounds like the govt is totally trying to screw over the working man. No doubt there.
I just the guy going irate over the govt's choice of weapons is a little dramatic. If I'm a LEO and my job is to move 300 cattle off a land while this guy is screaming about waco... yeah... I'm bringing more than a 9mm and a smile.
Hopefully the national coverage will get the attention - and now we see dems knee deep in corruption behind it? makes sense.
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agreed it sounds like the govt is totally trying to screw over the working man. No doubt there.
I just the guy going irate over the govt's choice of weapons is a little dramatic. If I'm a LEO and my job is to move 300 cattle off a land while this guy is screaming about waco... yeah... I'm bringing more than a 9mm and a smile.
Hopefully the national coverage will get the attention - and now we see dems knee deep in corruption behind it? makes sense.
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(http://tstoaddicts.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/simpsons-gifs-grandpa-leaves.gif)
rofl
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240 constantly playing devils advocate to fuck with us... ;D
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/04/Harry-Reid-s-Son-Representing-Chinese-Solar-Panel-Plant-In-5-Billion-Nevada-Deal
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BLOCKBUSTER- Straight from a rancher's mouth - Immediate family friend of the Bundy's tells it all
A Rancher TELLS ALL:
B Hunt wrote:
I live in SW Utah. I grew up on a ranch less than 100 miles from the Bundy's ranch. My father knows Cliven Bundy. I know Cliven's son Ryan. This is not a hoax, it is an action of force by the BLM.
The BLM was going to sell the cattle at one of the smallest cattle markets in Utah. No cattle markets in Nevada would take the cattle without a properly signed brand inspection (which the BLM cannot obtain without Cliven Bundy's signature). The BLM paid the owner of the Utah cattle market $300,000 to do the sale ('R' Livestock Connection in Monroe, Utah, owned by one Scott G. Robbins, according to the Utah Business Entity Search). Utah Governor Herbert stepped in and forbid them from bringing the cattle into Utah without the legally required health and brand inspections (which again, require Bundy's signature) and that no feral cattle are allowed to be imported at all (per Utah statute). Because Bundy claims ownership over maybe 350-500 head of branded cattle, the other 500-700 estimated head of cattle would all be considered feral. BLM officially backed off, but we suspect they are still secretly shipping them through Utah without any permission to do so, to "private" buyers in Colorado. The contract cowboys that the BLM hired to do the roundup are from Sampson Livestock in Meadow, Utah (traitors one and all).
From what I understand, Cliven Bundy owns both the Water Rights and Grazing Rights to all of the land where his cattle run. If Bundy failed to use them, the Grazing Rights would revert to the BLM and would be retired, while the Water Rights would revert to the State of Nevada, likely to be sold to the highest bidder (which would probably be a bidding war between mineral companies that are behind this action with the BLM and the City of Las Vegas which is thirsty for water and has had multiple attempts to buy water--through eminent domain from Utah farmers and ranchers--from Utah, which were all blocked by the Utah Legislature and Utah Governor Herbert). Chances are, the BLM has already filed a claim on the water rights so that they can sell to the highest bidder (instead of the state) and are trying to get the cattle off to show that Bundy cannot use the water beneficially (much like what the US Forest Service and BLM both tried to do to Wayne Hage).
Now, for Cliven Bundy, he's not fighting this for his cattle or his own livelihood. He recognizes that he will probably die before this fight is over. He has said multiple times that he is fighting this to wake people up about the tyranny of the Federal Government and also to help wake up the western states about getting the rights to their own land back from the federal government, which has repeatedly shut down ranchers and closed off land. (MO = 1st, get all the ranchers, farmers, Native Americans, and foresters that use the land for positive, sustainable production off of the land; 2nd, grab up all the resources; 3rd, close off the lands to public access including camping, hiking, horseback riding, hunting, fishing, boating, shooting, etc; 4th, sell off the resources to the highest bidder regardless of what that will do to the land, the local environment, or the economy; 5th, collect royalties on the resources in perpetuity; 6th, reduce and eliminate all SLS and PILT payments to the states, impoverishing them beyond belief.)
Anyway, thanks for posting about this. It is important for us to be able to raise the appropriate resistance.
My Response:
Thank you for sending your valuable insight. This contained the details we were all missing.
From this we can now firmly conclude:
1. The BLM's actions are not only flatly illegal, they are unlawful, and not only unlawful, they are so unlawful that it took bribing someone with a $300,000 payoff to get them to accept stolen cattle from a Government agency. I do not think that could be topped ANYWHERE else in the world, other than with something like a Mexican drug cartel.
So we have a clear cut case of unlawful and prosecutable actions by the BLM in this case.
2. The real goal is to shut down public access to these lands. Obviously Cliven Bundy was not a jerk, and he let people go back there to explore. I myself have done a LOT of back country exploring, and noticed in the early 2000's that they closed down all the back roads about a half mile before the destination they used to go to to discourage people from exploring the wilderness. Rather than drive the whole way, you had to get out and walk a considerable distance to scenes such as Swazy's leap, Paul Bunyans Wood Pile, and practically anywhere else you would want to go while out 4 Wheeling. And in the desert sun, that long of a walk was usually tough to do. This resulted in these types of locations no longer being visited, which effectively equaled a shut down.
3. The motives are for profit. Rather than manage the lands responsibly, the BLM is stealing it from it's rightful holders via corrupt actions and legal loop holes, and selling it off to corporate interests. This is cold hard proof that America is not a democracy, or more importantly a Republic, it is in fact a facist dictatorship where corruption rules and rights, freedom and honor are irrelevant.
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http://www.infowars.com/breaking-sen-harry-reid-behind-blm-land-grab-of-bundy-ranch
And now we get to the bottom of this.
And before the libs on here call bullshit for this being infowars....Mark Levin was talking about the same thing with that low life Ried.
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And before the libs on here call bullshit for this being infowars....Mark Levin was talking about the same thing with that low life Ried.
You use to make fun of us when we posted infowars links? LOL
Are you talking to yourself here? ;D
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You use to make fun of us when we posted infowars links? LOL
Are you talking to yourself here? ;D
That wasn't me.
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That wasn't me.
Sorry, maybe it was Beach Bum. :D
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The gov has the right to say move your shit. Once that didn't happen, they can fine him etc. I guess they can grab the cattle...but they should dump them on his land. The land grab to save some fucking turtles is ridiculous. Nobody got to vote on that 240....the EPA is way out of control. I suspect if a vote was held, they weren't getting any or all of the acreage to keep the turtles. Once sniper teams were deployed the gov crossed the line. While some of the guys might sympathize with the farmer..somebody there is willing to shoot his entire family over a turtle. Make no mistake getbig...where I ordered to kill unarmed US civilians I would execute the official so ordering that and turn my men and equipment over to Gov Perry or whoever was opposing Obama and his bullshit. The guy is dangerous.
I have raised cattle on that land, which is public land for the people of Clark County, all my life. Why I raise cattle there and why I can raise cattle there is because I have preemptive rights,” he asserted, explaining to TheBlaze that this includes the right to forage, too.
Furthermore, Bundy has argued that it is the United States trespassing on Clark County, Nev., land, not he, and that he is a better steward of the land. He points out that the manure from his cows fertilizes the soil, that he’s built water sources for wildlife, and that his cattle prevent the vegetation from growing overly dense and creating a fire hazard.
This is actually a Constitutional issue, combined with the fact that the family has been grazing cattle there long before the agency came into existence.
Everyone is talking about this being Government land, ...but no one is talking about which government?
The Nevada Government, ...the US Federal Government, ...or if not already the Chinese Government?
In order to claim jurisdiction, they need to show their bill of sale "purchased by the consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be" and demonstrate what it shall be used for as the Constitution limits them in that way. They are overstepping their legal authority and Bundy won't go to sit in the back of the bus with the other constitutionalists as commanded.
So not only do they NOT have the legal high ground, they've essentially abducted someone's livelihood.
Then they tasered the people complaining and put up a sign that said the first amendment is only where they make a little penned in area? ??? :-\
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Sorry, maybe it was Beach Bum. :D
If memory serves me correctly, I think it was Agnostic007, but I could be wrong.
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Infowars officially gained total credibility on Jan 21st, 2009.
Since then, it's been a great source of govt lies, bullshit, theft and, well, the truth about what the govt is up to.
Before that, ya know, from like, 2001 thru 2008, I think Infowars was just a bunch of crazy and foolish lies.