Author Topic: Regarding Mike Tyson's place in history (Read 22047 times)

Wiggs · « **on:** December 01, 2014, 04:28:25 PM »

What's your opinion on his place in boxing history? State your case.

Let me state he's my favorite fighter period. I'd put him in top 5. His losses to Holyfield and Lewis stain his resume. Superprisingly not Buster Douglas' win. It was a once in career thing. A win is win but Mike was going through alot of shit at that time. Namely Robin Givens. I'd had been interested in seeing a prime Mike vs. Holyfield and Lewis. He has his number. Holyfield whooped his ass the second fight. Although I don't think Evander could take a prime Mike. As far as Lennox Lewis goes,he beat an old fucked up past his prime Mike.

El Diablo Blanco · « **Reply #1 on:** December 01, 2014, 04:31:20 PM »

Lenox fought all past their prime fighters but the dude was a beast but a total asshole. Lennox had an arm reach that would have given a prime tyson lots of trouble.

Jizmonkey · « **Reply #2 on:** December 01, 2014, 04:31:55 PM »

A convicted rapist that a lot of people love

Rascal full · « **Reply #3 on:** December 01, 2014, 04:36:00 PM »

Tyson in his prime was unbeatable but his prime only lasted a few years and he was already on the slide before his first fight with Frank Bruno in 1989. When he was poor and under the guidance of Cus D'amato boxing was all he focused on and his genetic gifts plus 100% dedication resulted in perhaps the greatest fighter of all time. Unfortunately once he made his money, conquered the world of boxing he got lazy and distracted and his training suffered and naturally his skills started to wane. If he had managed to stay motivated and continued to train properly I honestly believe he would have been too much for Holyfield and also Lennox Lewis.

Wiggs · « **Reply #4 on:** December 01, 2014, 04:38:18 PM »

Quote from: Rascal full on December 01, 2014, 04:36:00 PM

Tyson in his prime was unbeatable but his prime only lasted a few years and he was already on the slide before his first fight with Frank Bruno in 1989. When he was poor and under the guidance of Cus D'amato boxing was all he focused on and his genetic gifts plus 100% dedication resulted in perhaps the greatest fighter of all time. Unfortunately once he made his money, conquered the world of boxing he got lazy and distracted and his training suffered and naturally his skills started to wane. If he had managed to stay motivated and continued to train properly I honestly believe he would have been too much for Holyfield and also Lennox Lewis.

Yep, another case of the greatest there never was.

local hero · « **Reply #5 on:** December 01, 2014, 04:41:19 PM »

100 yrs time, people will speak of two boxers.... Tyson and Ali... That sums it up

I wonder if Dorian and Ronny will still be mentioned also?...

Hulkotron · « **Reply #6 on:** December 01, 2014, 04:42:59 PM »

I'd like to "go through" Robin Givens.

T-REX007 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 01, 2014, 04:48:42 PM »

Tyson would have lost to Foreman -prime on prime,

Liston gives Mike a long night,
Ali puts him away,
Frazier gives Mike a long night too,
prime Holmes beats Mike,
put Marciano on a weights program and beef him up and it's a toss up fight,
prime Joe Louis beats Tyson

Tyson in the 70's era would have had some real problems, he's definitely great with Cus, but after that, he was not the same fighter, did not have Ali's or Marciano's or Fraziers heart, Tyson is tailor made for big George and Liston, Holmes too many skills across the board

MikMaq · « **Reply #8 on:** December 01, 2014, 04:56:19 PM »

Quote from: Jizmonkey on December 01, 2014, 04:31:55 PM

A convicted rapist that a lot of people love

This .

calfzilla · « **Reply #9 on:** December 01, 2014, 05:01:33 PM »

Who would win in a fight between Tyson and Ronnie Coleman?

Hulkotron · « **Reply #10 on:** December 01, 2014, 05:03:43 PM »

Quote from: calfzilla on December 01, 2014, 05:01:33 PM

Who would win in a fight between Tyson and Ronnie Coleman?

calfzilla · « **Reply #11 on:** December 01, 2014, 05:06:55 PM »

local hero · « **Reply #12 on:** December 01, 2014, 05:14:34 PM »

Quote from: T-REX007 on December 01, 2014, 04:48:42 PM

Tyson would have lost to Foreman -prime on prime,

Liston gives Mike a long night,
Ali puts him away,
Frazier gives Mike a long night too,
prime Holmes beats Mike,
put Marciano on a weights program and beef him up and it's a toss up fight,
prime Joe Louis beats Tyson

Tyson in the 70's era would have had some real problems, he's definitely great with Cus, but after that, he was not the same fighter, did not have Ali's or Marciano's or Fraziers heart, Tyson is tailor made for big George and Liston, Holmes too many skills across the board

10/10 for trolling, can't fault it...

BB · « **Reply #13 on:** December 01, 2014, 05:15:39 PM »

Tyson is low top ten.

In their prime -

Foreman beats him. Holmes beats him, Liston would, Ali would, but I don't think blow out. Frazier is like proto Tyson, Tyson might catch him early, but Frazier has an edge on him if it goes to the later rounds. Norton would of lost, because of Tyson's blitzkrieg type of attack, Ronnie Lyle could've gave him trouble, probably not Shavers.

Tall fighters that weren't afraid of him always gave Tyson trouble.

oldtimer1 · « **Reply #14 on:** December 01, 2014, 05:19:06 PM »

Iron Mike in his prime was unreal. When he was dating Robin Givens he looked like he was heavily sedated for an interview. I can't say for sure but I think drugs whether prescription or not and alcohol were his downfall. When he disintegrated he changed the way he fought too. It seems he looked for the knock out from the first sound of the bell instead of letting the opening come to him. Tommy Morrison who was never in his league fought his whole career like that. Little defense and looking for the knockout. It then becomes an easier puzzle for your opponent to figure out.

Mike ducked no one unlike Money Mayweather. He is a top 10 heavy weight for the ages. If some of his opponents fought him when he was at the top of his game he would have taken them out.

ProudVirgin69 · « **Reply #15 on:** December 01, 2014, 05:42:54 PM »

On the one hand, he didn't fight anyone of note in his prime. On the other hand, he fought everyone he could--there just wasn't much talent in the heavyweight division at the time.

It's a great story to think about, but I don't think a "What if?" story is enough to be considered in the top-10 of all time.

dr.chimps · « **Reply #16 on:** December 01, 2014, 05:46:23 PM »

Quote from: local hero on December 01, 2014, 05:14:34 PM

10/10 for trolling, can't fault it...

I'd go 12/10, but then I'd have do some math, or something.

The Ugly · « **Reply #17 on:** December 01, 2014, 05:49:46 PM »

Quote from: BB on December 01, 2014, 05:15:39 PM

Tyson is low top ten.

In their prime -

Foreman beats him. Holmes beats him, Liston would, Ali would, but I don't think blow out. Frazier is like proto Tyson, Tyson might catch him early, but Frazier has an edge on him if it goes to the later rounds. Norton would of lost, because of Tyson's blitzkrieg type of attack, Ronnie Lyle could've gave him trouble, probably not Shavers.

Tall fighters that weren't afraid of him always gave Tyson trouble.

Not sure about this.

G_Thang · « **Reply #18 on:** December 01, 2014, 06:35:14 PM »

Tyson > FMW Jr

calfzilla · « **Reply #19 on:** December 01, 2014, 06:36:20 PM »

I once had a long conversation with Tyson at a Hebrew barber shop

Ron Jeremy · « **Reply #20 on:** December 01, 2014, 06:50:51 PM »

I think the Klitchko's would beat him. Louis, Ali, Rocky, Foreman, Frazier, Liston, Shavers, Norton, Weaver.......all would of gave him serious trouble. Holmes and Ali would of run him into the ground. By the 7th round, he would be seriously gassed. Hell, the big canadian that gave Ali trouble would of tested him. Chavalo is his name I believe.

TheShape. · « **Reply #21 on:** December 01, 2014, 07:21:25 PM »

A very powerful man but he wouldn't last in the ring with Ali.

che · « **Reply #22 on:** December 01, 2014, 07:41:48 PM »

Frazier beat Ali , Tyson in his prime (before jail ) was Frazier on steroids , bigger , faster , stronger , better boxer ...........etc

The Ugly · « **Reply #23 on:** December 01, 2014, 07:45:45 PM »

I have a hard time imagining anyone beating a prime Tyson. Probably wrong, just can't picture it.

TrueGrit · « **Reply #24 on:** December 01, 2014, 07:52:52 PM »

Quote from: The Ugly on December 01, 2014, 07:45:45 PM

I have a hard time imagining anyone beating a prime Tyson. Probably wrong, just can't picture it.

Absolutely. At his very peak, no boxer could/would hold him. I mean no boxer, ever. That includes Ali.

Author Topic: Regarding Mike Tyson's place in history (Read 22047 times)

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