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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: tweeter on July 18, 2007, 08:09:11 PM
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Michael Vick or the people who get caught on to catch a predator
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child predators
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I "HATE" neither, but despise both.
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I "HATE" neither, but despise both.
fence rider >:(
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fence rider >:(
WTF do you mean?
People use the word "Hate" way too easily. Have you ever really hated anything? It takes effort to hate something.
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I hate Michael Vick. Typical black that makes millions but cant keep his hands outta black bullshit. I dont hate him more than child predators however. Id say its almost a tie though.
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Michael Vick or the child predators that get caught on Dateline NBC's "To Catch a Predator"
Michael Vick as there is actual evidence of a crime being commited and an abhorrent and appauling one at that.
The child predators are set up illegaly according to laws in most states as private organizations, (in this case NBC), have no legal authority to carry out sting operations. The people are most of the time, coerced and no crime occurs.
I don`t see how someone can be arrested pre-emptively. It should outrage you that this is happening.
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Michael Vick as there is actual evidence of a crime being commited and an abhorrent and appauling one at that.
The child predators are set up illegaly according to laws in most states as private organizations, (in this case NBC), have no legal authority to carry out sting operations. The people are most of the time, coerced and no crime occurs.
I don`t see how someone can be arrested pre-emptively. It should outrage you that this is happening.
Yes, it outrages me becuase they are taking child molesters off the street ::)
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WTF do you mean?
People use the word "Hate" way too easily. Have you ever really hated anything? It takes effort to hate something.
the question is a one or the other question, not "I despise both" ::)
take a stand, pedos or dog fighter, who do you hate more?
Adonis, ::) it outrages me that the first amendment protects people like you that would take pity on pedophiles
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I don`t see how someone can be arrested pre-emptively. It should outrage you that this is happening.
It is strange, it's the only thing you can go to jail for, that you don't even actually have to carry out. It's like going to prison for murder, when you haven't killed anyone, but you may later on.
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Yes, it outrages me becuase they are taking child molesters off the street ::)
They aren`t molesters as they are not charged with that crime. No crime actually occurs. Only talk over the internet.
You really feel comfortable with people getting arrested for talking over the internet? Don`t forget the person acting like the child is leading them on, duping them the whole way.
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It is strange, it's the only thing you can go to jail for, that you don't even actually have to carry out. It's like going to prison for murder, when you haven't killed anyone, but you may later on.
Its total bullshit and should outrage anyone who does not want the government over exercising their power.
The sheep will never understand that though.
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They aren`t molesters as they are not charged with that crime. No crime actually occurs. Only talk over the internet.
You really feel comfortable with people getting arrested for talking over the internet? Don`t forget the person acting like the child is leading them on, duping them the whole way.
kind of like Polumbo getting busted for selling fake dope? It wasn't real, but he was telling everyone it was.
c'mon, you can't be serious this time :-\
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They aren`t molesters as they are not charged with that crime. No crime actually occurs. Only talk over the internet.
You really feel comfortable with people getting arrested for talking over the internet? Don`t forget the person acting like the child is leading them on, duping them the whole way.
Actually, he is not being arrested for talk on the internet, but rather for actually going to the kids house. Maybe if your child was molested you wouldn't have such an asinine opinion.
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Its total bullshit and should outrage anyone who does not want the government over exercising their power.
The sheep will never understand that though.
so you have no problems with child molestors?
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vick is a pig who needs jail time, all pedo's should be castrated
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Actually, he is not being arrested for talk on the internet, but rather for actually going to the kids house. Maybe if your child was molested you wouldn't have such an asinine opinion.
It is not a kids house though. There are no kids there.
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Michael Vick as there is actual evidence of a crime being commited and an abhorrent and appauling one at that.
The child predators are set up illegaly according to laws in most states as private organizations, (in this case NBC), have no legal authority to carry out sting operations. The people are most of the time, coerced and no crime occurs.
I don`t see how someone can be arrested pre-emptively. It should outrage you that this is happening.
c'on bro...Please don't tell us you don't feel sorry for a child predator?...Their hasn't been one guy that i've seen on dateline that i wouldn't want fcking dead...Setup or not...These guys aren't one hit wonders...Child molestors all do this shit on a reg/basis...
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It is not a kids house though. There are no kids there.
In other words, entrapment.
However, at that point I couldn't give a shit about entrapment. Child molesters are the most vile of the vile, and they are treated so in prison ;)
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so you have no problems with child molestors?
There is no crime in those unconstituitonal dateline "stings". No child molesting. It all an act. The person on the other end is posing as a child.
Why isn`t the person posing as a child in trouble for acting like a child who wants to have sex with an older man or woman?
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Folks. Stop feeding the troll...........
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In other words, entrapment.
However, at that point I couldn't give a shit about entrapment. Child molesters are the most vile of the vile, and they are treated so in prison ;)
How are they molesting children when there are no children in that setup, only adults posing as children who want to have sex.
Some of the people who show up there even have no criminal record.
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It is strange, it's the only thing you can go to jail for, that you don't even actually have to carry out. It's like going to prison for murder, when you haven't killed anyone, but you may later on.
Bast you should be locked up. If I recall a couple of months ago somebody posted a picture of a little girl. Your reply was something similar to this" Haha Look at those tits". What kind of sick monster are you? Somebody should take a axe to your pathetic penis.
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Folks. Stop feeding the troll...........
you didn't make a coice..... ;)
And Adonis is an idiot on this one, what are you supposed to wait until they have molested a child? They have asked for and set up a meeting for sex with a child, knowingly, that's good enough for me.
I mean you get busted in a police sting just by asking the hooker for a BJ and offering her money, that is enough in court to get you busted.
So asking for sex from a child, then going to meet said child= pedophile=prison meat
hope this helps
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Bast you should be locked up. If I recall a couple of months ago somebody posted a picture of a little girl. Your reply was something similar to this" Haha Look at those tits". What kind of sick monster are you? Somebody should take a axe to your pathetic penis.
I think this is the first time I've agreed with you........
hell has frozen over
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Bast you should be locked up. If I recall a couple of months ago somebody posted a picture of a little girl. Your reply was something similar to this" Haha Look at those tits". What kind of sick monster are you? Somebody should take a axe to your pathetic penis.
Funny you should say this...I believe Bast may be having some type of penis surgery in the near future.
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There is no crime in those unconstituitonal dateline "stings". No child molesting. It all an act. The person on the other end is posing as a child.
Why isn`t the person posing as a child in trouble for acting like a child who wants to have sex with an older man or woman?
they film in states where entrapment is legal
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I think this is the first time I've agreed with you........
hell has frozen over
haha you love me and you know it :-*
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haha you love me and you know it :-*
only face down ;D
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It is strange, it's the only thing you can go to jail for, that you don't even actually have to carry out. It's like going to prison for murder, when you haven't killed anyone, but you may later on.
if you plan a murder, show up with a gun and a shovel, you can be charged with a crime.
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if you plan a murder, show up with a gun and a shovel, you can be charged with a crime.
hahah yeah, what about murder for hire? When they use cops to try to kill their spouses, etc, those people still get charged with a crime
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I "HATE" neither, but despise both.
Great answer, I agree. But if anyone ever touched my son, I'd probably be up for a murder charge!
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hahah yeah, what about murder for hire? When they use cops to try to kill their spouses, etc, those people still get charged with a crime
I`ll give you 10 billion to kill King Kamali.
Darn. I just committed that crime.
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Great answer, I agree. But if anyone ever touched my son, I'd probably be up for a murder charge!
Watch the preacher`s greasy hands. I bet he was already touched. You sound like you were touched as well, given your hatred and intolerance for gays. Most of the time, the intolerant are either gay or have been touched.
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I`ll give you 10 billion to kill King Kamali.
Darn. I just committed that crime.
You're not too familiar with "conspiracy to commit murder" are you, dipshit?
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Watch the preacher`s greasy hands. I bet he was already touched. You sound like you were touched as well, given your hatred and intolerance for gays. Most of the time, the intolerant are either gay or have been touched.
You're pretty brave from 3500 miles away. Tell you what, I'll be out your way around Oct. we can meet and you can tell me that to my face, waddya say?
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Watch the preacher`s greasy hands. I bet he was already touched. You sound like you were touched as well, given your hatred and intolerance for gays. Most of the time, the intolerant are either gay or have been touched.
and what are you? tolerant of pedofiles? NAMBLA?
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I`ll give you 10 billion to kill King Kamali.
Darn. I just committed that crime.
lame, it's not a one time mention. You actually would have to meet with me and be recorded, dipshit.
How's that deadlift video and gravity suit coming, anyways?
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Watch the preacher`s greasy hands. I bet he was already touched. You sound like you were touched as well, given your hatred and intolerance for gays. Most of the time, the intolerant are either gay or have been touched.
What happend...did I offend your sexuality?
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You're pretty brave from 3500 miles away. Tell you what, I'll be out your way around Oct. we can meet and you can tell me that to my face, waddya say?
meltdown, Coach!!! hahaha, but seriously, please do it ;)
you guys can even abide by the code of duella or some shit circa 1776.
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You're pretty brave from 3500 miles away. Tell you what, I'll be out your way around Oct. we can meet and you can tell me that to my face, waddya say?
I`d be glad to say that to your face. It is well within my rights to do so. Are you planning violence? If you are, do you think you should be arrested?
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meltdown, Coach!!! hahaha, but seriously, please do it ;)
you guys can even abide by the code of duella or some shit circa 1776.
Lets just say he better not miss the first time!
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lame, it's not a one time mention. You actually would have to meet with me and be recorded, dipshit.
How's that deadlift video and gravity suit coming, anyways?
Ok, lets meet. We can get someone to record it. I`ll even write out a check for 10 Billion. Lets kill him with his Space Helmet.
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I`d be glad to say that to your face. It is well within my rights to do so. Are you planning violence? If you are, do you think you should be arrested?
Call a cop!
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I`d be glad to say that to your face. It is well within my rights to do so. Are you planning violence? If you are, do you think you should be arrested?
I don't think the uber religious Caoch is planning violence, Adonis ::) geez man, he just wants to meet you and discuss things in a rational manner.
Why are you always trying to lead people into challenges of aggression? Daddy hug you too much?
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Intenseone will probably attack Adonis with a bible and a bottle of holy water trying to purify him while cursing out liberals. ::)
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Ok, lets meet. We can get someone to record it. I`ll even write out a check for 10 Billion. Lets kill him with his Space Helmet.
OK, you fly to Cali to meet me, at the Koloseum. I'm sure Coach can meet us there and youguys can have your discussion as well. How's that sound?
August is a good month, how about the first week?
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Intenseone will probably attack Adonis with a bible and a bottle of holy water trying to purify him while cursing out liberals. ::)
LMAO!!
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Intenseone will probably attack Adonis with a bible and a bottle of holy water trying to purify him while cursing out liberals. ::)
would that be ironic? to be beaten with a bible?
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I don't think the uber religious Caoch is planning violence, Adonis ::) geez man, he just wants to meet you and discuss things in a rational manner.
Why are you always trying to lead people into challenges of aggression? Daddy hug you too much?
I don`t understand. Usually when someone says, "Say it to my face" and if they are planning to travel great distances to meet someone to have a few choice words, we could easily construe that as intent to violently end my life. Do you not see what I did? I lured him into this. Just like the Dateline thing.
Just like they are construing and stringing together nonsense cases.
Coach fell right for it. My the irony and hypocrisy of you people.
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OK, you fly to Cali to meet me, at the Koloseum. I'm sure Coach can meet us there and youguys can have your discussion as well. How's that sound?
August is a good month, how about the first week?
No prob, I'm about 20 mins away from Milo's gym...August is perfect for me. TA??
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OK, you fly to Cali to meet me, at the Koloseum. I'm sure Coach can meet us there and youguys can have your discussion as well. How's that sound?
August is a good month, how about the first week?
can i come too?
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No prob, I'm about 20 mins away from Milo's gym...August is perfect for me. TA??
Do you think you can get a punch in?
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I don`t understand. Usually when someone says, "Say it to my face" and if they are planning to travel great distances to meet someone to have a few choice words, we could easily construe that as intent to violently end my life. Do you not see what I did? I lured him into this. Just like the Dateline thing.
Just like they are construing and stringing together nonsense cases.
Coach fell right for it. My the irony and hypocrisy of you people.
not true at all fuckhead, never once did he even imply violence, he asked you to make a statement to his face, YOU implied the violence. average try though, thanks play again.
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Do you think you can get a punch in?
no chance too old and slow.
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can i come too?
hell yeah, we'll make it a getbig party!!!
Do you think you can get a punch in?
why are you insinuating he wants to fight? he said SAY it to his face,
Geez man are you retarded?
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not true at all fuckhead, never once did he even imply violence, he asked you to make a statement to his face, YOU implied the violence. average try though, thanks play again.
Why would he want to travel a great distance so I could say something to his face?
Do normal people do this?
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Why would he want to travel a great distance so I could say something to his face?
Do normal people do this?
maybe he's a bit eccentric. almost as eccentric as claiming a 225x112 rep deadlift ;)
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maybe he's a bit eccentric. almost as eccentric as claiming a 225x112 rep deadlift ;)
So he wants to come here, me say that to his face, and then he leaves?
What was the point of his trip again?
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I don`t understand. Usually when someone says, "Say it to my face" and if they are planning to travel great distances to meet someone to have a few choice words, we could easily construe that as intent to violently end my life. Do you not see what I did? I lured him into this. Just like the Dateline thing.
Just like they are construing and stringing together nonsense cases.
Coach fell right for it. My the irony and hypocrisy of you people.
Even though I get bent when assholes like you cross the line and talk about peoples kids and family, you're being awefully judgemental!
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Even though I get bent when assholes like you cross the line and talk about peoples kids and family, you're being awefully judgemental!
How is talking about someone crossing the line? I support the First Ammendment to its fullest. You don`t? You want to make exceptions for family and kids? That would mean everyone in the entire United States as everyone is part of a family or a kid.
Doesn`t make sense.
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maybe he's a bit eccentric. almost as eccentric as claiming a 225x112 rep deadlift ;)
I've never seen that video...But remember that he was going to post it...What ever happend with that??If Daddy Waddy trains the way he actually says he does...My guess is that he for sure could pull off 225 for 100 or so...
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So he wants to come here, me say that to his face, and then he leaves?
What was the point of his trip again?
sounds to me like he has business plans out there later this year, so yeah, he could swing by your place, you say it to his face, he would have a chance to respond, then you guys could hug and be on your own ways :D
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sounds to me like he has business plans out there later this year, so yeah, he could swing by your place, you say it to his face, he would have a chance to respond, then you guys could hug and be on your own ways :D
Sounds good. I don`t think he is man enough to hug me though.
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As usual, Adonis is right and makes some excellent arguments:
1) They should use real 13 and 14 year girls to set up the molesters.
2) They should have these girls sit at the computer and look at the photos of cocks arriving in their email because it's not a crime unless viewed by a minor.
3) They should use the kids' real house as the location of the sting, so just in case the molester gets out in 6 months, they can return to the house and rape or kill the little bitch who put them away.
4) And because we're not 100% sure if the molesters will go through with their plan to actually use the wine, handcuffs, condoms, and lube they brought along, the FBI should let each molesters get the 13-year old girl drunk, slap her around, handcuff her to the bed, and stick the tip of his dick in her ass before moving in to make the bust.
5) Only then can we be 100% sure we have the right guy!
Maybe Adonis has a little sister or niece who's up for the job.
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How is talking about someone crossing the line? I support the First Ammendment to its fullest. You don`t? You want to make exceptions for family and kids? That would mean everyone in the entire United States as everyone is part of a family or a kid.
Doesn`t make sense.
Thats what all Liberals say until they say something they don't like, maybe you should explain that to the ACLU!!
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oh brother another mma school fuck they're as bad as starbucks ::)
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As usual, Adonis is right and makes some excellent arguments:
1) They should use real 13 and 14 year girls to set up the molesters.
2) They should have these girls sit at the computer and look at the photos of cocks arriving in their email because it's not a crime unless viewed by a minor.
3) They should use the kids' real house as the location of the sting, so just in case the molester gets out in 6 months, they can return to the house and rape or kill the little bitch who put them away.
4) And because we're not 100% sure if the molesters will go through with their plan to actually use the wine, handcuffs, condoms, and lube they brought along, the FBI should let each molesters get the 13-year old girl drunk, slap her around, handcuff her to the bed, and stick the tip of his dick in her ass before moving in to make the bust.
5) Only then can we be 100% sure we have the right guy!
Maybe Adonis has a little sister or niece who's up for the job.
Really? I thought you were an atty or something?
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As usual, Adonis is right and makes some excellent arguments:
1) They should use real 13 and 14 year girls to set up the molesters.
2) They should have these girls sit at the computer and look at the photos of cocks arriving in their email because it's not a crime unless viewed by a minor.
3) They should use the kids' real house as the location of the sting, so just in case the molester gets out in 6 months, they can return to the house and rape or kill the little bitch who put them away.
4) And because we're not 100% sure if the molesters will go through with their plan to actually use the wine, handcuffs, condoms, and lube they brought along, the FBI should let each molesters get the 13-year old girl drunk, slap her around, handcuff her to the bed, and stick the tip of his dick in her ass before moving in to make the bust.
5) Only then can we be 100% sure we have the right guy!
Maybe Adonis has a little sister or niece who's up for the job.
I see a problem with number 4. When they are doing the Dateline reports, the 13-14 year old is posing as a willing participant and is WANTING to engage in sexual behavior.
The scenario you described is more along the lines of doing something against their will or want.
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oh brother another mma school fuck they're as bad as starbucks ::)
Not at all, I just do it for conditioning, nothing more nothing less!
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As usual, Adonis is right and makes some excellent arguments:
1) They should use real 13 and 14 year girls to set up the molesters.
2) They should have these girls sit at the computer and look at the photos of cocks arriving in their email because it's not a crime unless viewed by a minor.
3) They should use the kids' real house as the location of the sting, so just in case the molester gets out in 6 months, they can return to the house and rape or kill the little bitch who put them away.
4) And because we're not 100% sure if the molesters will go through with their plan to actually use the wine, handcuffs, condoms, and lube they brought along, the FBI should let each molesters get the 13-year old girl drunk, slap her around, handcuff her to the bed, and stick the tip of his dick in her ass before moving in to make the bust.
5) Only then can we be 100% sure we have the right guy!
Maybe Adonis has a little sister or niece who's up for the job.
when I read the first line of your post, I thought maybe you had gone off the deep end, but I soon caught onto the sarcasm of the post, not funny.
but it gets the point across.
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I see a problem with number 4. When they are doing the Dateline reports, the 13-14 year old is posing as a willing participant and is WANTING to engage in sexual behavior.
The scenario you described is more along the lines of doing something against their will or want.
so you OK with banging a 13-14 year old, if she is willing????????????
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so you OK with banging a 13-14 year old, if she is willing????????????
Thats not the issue since they are NOT 13-14 year olds. They are actors. They are people who are pretending to be something they are not, pretending to want sex when they don`t, to lure people so they can get arrested for a crime they have not even yet committed.
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when I read the first line of your post, I thought maybe you had gone off the deep end, but I soon caught onto the sarcasm of the post, not funny.
but it gets the point across.
Hey, sometimes the playa is smarter than the coach!
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so you OK with banging a 13-14 year old, if she is willing????????????
What if I were to pretend to be 14 years old and got someone riled up enough to come to my house with a gun,knife, brass knuckles or boxing gloves.
Should they be charged with intent to kill on a minor?
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Thats not the issue since they are NOT 13-14 year olds. They are actors. They are people who are pretending to be something they are not, pretending to want sex when they don`t, to lure people so they can get arrested for a crime they have not even yet committed.
I see a problem with number 4. When they are doing the Dateline reports, the 13-14 year old is posing as a willing participant and is WANTING to engage in sexual behavior.
The scenario you described is more along the lines of doing something against their will or want.
your post says you have a problem with #4 because the 13-14yr old is posing as willing and #4 indicates something against their will.
So you are advocating sex with children if they are willing and wanting to do it?
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your post says you have a problem with #4 because the 13-14yr old is posing as willing and #4 indicates something against their will.
So you are advocating sex with children if they are willing and wanting to do it?
Not at all. I have a problem because they are 30 year old women pretending to be a 13 year old who wants sex.
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What if I were to pretend to be 14 years old and got someone riled up enough to come to my house with a gun,knife, brass knuckles or boxing gloves.
Should they be charged with intent to kill on a minor?
if they say "I am coming over to kill you" and they show up with a gun, shovel and a bottle of lye, then yes that shows intent and they should be charged with a crime, maybe not murder since no murder has taken place. But these sick fucks you're defending aren't being charged with child molestation either, they are being charged with solicitation, do you know the difference? Maybe you can have Wikidude explain it to you ::)
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I had sex with a 14-year old once. Even worse, she was having sex with a 13-year old at the same time.
What if I were to pretend to be 14 years old and got someone riled up enough to come to my house with a gun,knife, brass knuckles or boxing gloves.
Should they be charged with intent to kill on a minor?
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I had sex with a 14-year old once. Even worse, she was having sex with a 13-year old at the same time.
damn, your sister is sick man ;)
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if they say "I am coming over to kill you" and they show up with a gun, shovel and a bottle of lye, then yes that shows intent and they should be charged with a crime, maybe not murder since no murder has taken place. But these sick fucks you're defending aren't being charged with child molestation either, they are being charged with solicitation, do you know the difference? Maybe you can have Wikidude explain it to you ::)
How is it solicitation when the 30 year old women who is posing as a 13 year old is doing the soliciting?
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damn, your sister is sick man ;)
LOL! Yes, she is now #4 prostitute in all Kazakhstan!
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those are some creepy dudes they set up i tell you that.
do a lot of them have record or a past of child shit?
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if they say "I am coming over to kill you" and they show up with a gun, shovel and a bottle of lye, then yes that shows intent and they should be charged with a crime, maybe not murder since no murder has taken place. But these sick fucks you're defending aren't being charged with child molestation either, they are being charged with solicitation, do you know the difference? Maybe you can have Wikidude explain it to you ::)
So are you are saying that I or anyone can just go around and pretend to be 14 years old and that according to the law, I can choose to be considered as a minor?
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How is it solicitation when the 30 year old women who is posing as a 13 year old is doing the soliciting?
they don't know the woman is 30, they believe she is 13.
If you buy fake drugs from an undercover cop, your ass is still going to jail. Real drugs or not, you thought they were real.
Same thing, only with kids involved.
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So are you are saying that I or anyone can just go around and pretend to be 14 years old and that according to the law, I can choose to be considered as a minor?
only law enforcement can be considered minors ::)
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they don't know the woman is 30, they believe she is 13.
If you buy fake drugs from an undercover cop, your ass is still going to jail. Real drugs or not, you thought they were real.
Same thing, only with kids involved.
I have a problem with that also. All Drugs should be legal.
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only law enforcement can be considered minors ::)
WRONG.
That is the issue with the Dateline "investigations".
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Failed sting endangers kids
Matthew Adair
Issue date: 7/11/07 Section: Opinions
PrintEmail DoubleClick Any Word Page 1 of 1 We generally assume that, in this country, justice is blind, and is handled by those who have nothing to gain or lose should an investigation or trial turn one way or the other. This way, we ensure that the prosecution of illegal activity is handled with fairness and dignity towards both accuser and accused.
However, there has also long existed a lingering desire in people from various backgrounds to take the law into their own hands and reach their own solution to a perceived injustice. This love of vigilantism saturates our culture, to such an extent that a Texas man is now dead as a result of a botched television sting.
The program in question is NBC's prime-time news program, "Dateline," which was in Murphy, Texas, shooting part of its "To Catch A Predator" series, which focuses on luring pedophiles into the open for arrest.
The program led to charges being filed against 25 people in Murphy, a suburb of Dallas. The show's crew was assisted by a group called Perverted Justice, which baits potential child predators online by using adults who pose as young children on Internet chat rooms.
One of the people caught in the sting, however, was Louis Conradt, Jr., chief felony assistant attorney for Rockwall County, Texas. With the police knocking on his door and a "Dateline" crew waiting eagerly to capture the bust on film, a horrified Conradt shot himself.
Conradt's suicide was only the beginning of the train wreck that the show's so-called investigation rapidly turned into. The program, as well as members of Perverted Justice, contacted Murphy City Manager Craig Sherwood when setting the sting up about using a two-story house in a residential neighborhood as a base to lure suspects to. Sherwood gave the green light to the sting and, in an astounding feat of ignorance, decided not to inform the mayor or the City Council about it.
As though this weren't bad enough, Collin County District Attorney John Roach announced that all charges brought up by "Dateline" and their investigation were to be dropped. In 16 of the cases, neither the suspect nor the online decoy was in Collin County when the chats occurred. In the remaining cases, neither the police nor NBC could guarantee that the chat logs used to incriminate the suspects were complete and accurate.
So, to summarize, a network television program attempted to play judge, jury and executioner, using members of an organization bent on using any means possible to stop child predators by catching them in sexual chat conversations.
Meanwhile, this television program set up shop in a house inside a busy residential neighborhood, two blocks away from an elementary school, luring the same people they suspected of being pedophiles into said house in order to catch them on camera and arrest them.
Because people who had no training in police procedure ran this operation, all of the evidence and accusations were thrown out. If anyone rounded up in the sting was a pedophile interested in targeting a child in that community, they are now walking free, at least until they actually do go after someone's child.
Way to stick it to the bad guys there, "Dateline" crew, if it can be said that anyone did anything illegal at all here. Without concrete evidence that shows any of the 25 people charged in the sting explicitly solicited a child for sex, none of them actually did anything illegal.
In the mean time, Murphy's City Council settled its differences with Sherwood to the tune of a quarter million dollars paid out to the resigning City Manager. "Dateline" and NBC, although burned somewhat by the whole fiasco, have decided to go ahead and air two more episodes of "To Catch A Predator" this month. Everyone seems to have benefitted here except for the people of Murphy itself, as well as the individuals accused of soliciting a child, particularly Conradt and his family.
Programs like "Dateline: To Catch A Predator" are driven by the desires of our instant-everything culture for instant justice. Child molestation cases are terrible things to grapple with, and it goes without saying that no one, no matter their age, should have to experience abuse, sexual or otherwise, from anyone. Those who commit such acts should be punished severely.
However, when the desire to see justice done is driven by revenge or profit, or when the law is taken into the hands of people who do not have the knowledge, resources or training needed to successfully build a case against a suspect, nothing is gained. Innocent people end up harmed or endangered; those who are guilty often go free on otherwise trivial technicalities.
The "Dateline" camera crew is no different from the lynch mobs of a hundred years ago - the fact that their equipment consists of cameras and microphones instead of ropes and shotguns doesn't change the essential fact that they are attempting to decide who is and isn't guilty on the arbitrary basis of online conversations whose reliability can only be verified by those making the accusations.
People crave a spectacle, searching for drama in all aspects of life, whether they are conscious of this or not. Network television, like any good business, knows exactly how to respond to consumer demands. The investigation of criminal behavior, however, should never be dictated by the whim of the market, and the work of justice should be carried out fairly, and should never be done in a way that puts an entire community at risk.
"Dateline" should pull the plug on "To Catch A Predator," and admit to itself and the viewing public that the work of catching criminals should be left in the hands of those in uniform. Maybe then, justice can be served, for everyone involved.
Matthew Adair is a senior art education major and can be reached at matt.adair@gmail.com.
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I'm not eading all that shit Adonis, but the first line says it all, "failed sting endangers kids", that's why they use adults posing as kids ;)
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I'm not eading all that shit Adonis, but the first line says it all, "failed sting endangers kids", that's why they use adults posing as kids ;)
Of course you won`t read it, because it kills your argument and exposes you to the fact that this whole DATELINE thing is illegal and is not run by proper law enforcement.
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Adonis i understand the point your trying to make and is being made in courts as we all type...I know over 20 something cases have been dropped because of what dateline was doing....Also the guy who killed himselfs family is sueing Dateline NBC/or the government or something for what they are doing/and or did
The truth of the matter is the government are the one who don't want dateline to be doing what they are doing and are basically fighting them...But make no mistake about it...They are not doing it to save the constitution...They are doing it because they feel Dateline are stepping over the line...
Although I know Dateline is probably only doing it for ratings...I personally don't give a shit why they are doing it...I'm just glad they did...If not anything, a show like that can really make a difference in the world by showing parents the cancer that is really out there...
Because of that show alot of parents for sure are watching what their kids are doing online...Even if all those sick bastards get off and end up not doing any time...That show alone will be responsible for educating people who were clueless of just what types of scumbags are trying to get at their children online...
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I'm not eading all that shit Adonis, but the first line says it all, "failed sting endangers kids", that's why they use adults posing as kids ;)
if you read the entire thing, you'd realize that your statement makes absolutely no sense in relationship to the article
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Adonis i understand the point your trying to make and is being made in courts as we all type...I know over 20 something cases have been dropped because of what dateline was doing....Also the guy who killed himselfs family is sueing Dateline NBC/or the government or something for what they are doing/and or did
The truth of the matter is the government are the one who don't want dateline to be doing what they are doing and are basically fighting them...But make no mistake about it...They are not doing it to save the constitution...They are doing it because they feel Dateline are stepping over the line...
Although I know Dateline is probably only doing it for ratings...I personally don't give a shit why they are doing it...I'm just glad they did...If not anything, a show like that can really make a difference in the world by showing parents the cancer that is really out there...
Because of that show alot of parents for sure are watching what their kids are doing online...Even if all those sick bastards get off and end up not doing any time...That show alone will be responsible for educating people who were clueless of just what types of scumbags are trying to get at their children online...
I disagree. Vigilantism is a recipe for chaos and disorder. I also think the show spreads mass hysteria and should not be taken too seriously.
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Adonis i understand the point your trying to make and is being made in courts as we all type...I know over 20 something cases have been dropped because of what dateline was doing....Also the guy who killed himselfs family is sueing Dateline NBC/or the government or something for what they are doing/and or did
The truth of the matter is the government are the one who don't want dateline to be doing what they are doing and are basically fighting them...But make no mistake about it...They are not doing it to save the constitution...They are doing it because they feel Dateline are stepping over the line...
Although I know Dateline is probably only doing it for ratings...I personally don't give a shit why they are doing it...I'm just glad they did...If not anything, a show like that can really make a difference in the world by showing parents the cancer that is really out there...
Because of that show alot of parents for sure are watching what their kids are doing online...Even if all those sick bastards get off and end up not doing any time...That show alone will be responsible for educating people who were clueless of just what types of scumbags are trying to get at their children online...
or create a distorted sense of fear such that people eventually get so scared that they barely ever leave the house
that's a big problem with the media- constant fear mongering
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Of course you won`t read it, because it kills your argument and exposes you to the fact that this whole DATELINE thing is illegal and is not run by proper law enforcement.
let me say this, from a differnet point of view. Even if these sick fucks aren't charged with a crime and they walk out free, at the very least they have been exposed on tv as the disgusting pieces of shit they are. Eventually they will commit a crime and eventually they will get caught, until then how many innocent children will be handled by these guys? Will your son/daughter be one of them?
Legal or not, like I said , at the very least they will be exposed. And Dateline should continue this for a long time, just keep on exposing twisted pedos.
And you Adonis should really look at the kind of person you choose to be ;)
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Thats not the issue since they are NOT 13-14 year olds. They are actors. They are people who are pretending to be something they are not, pretending to want sex when they don`t, to lure people so they can get arrested for a crime they have not even yet committed.
Bottom line is "Intent" people CAN be arrested for "Intent" to commit a crime, especially if they are caught, do actually think the producers of Dateline didn't consult with counsil before they did this show?
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let me say this, from a differnet point of view. Even if these sick fucks aren't charged with a crime and they walk out free, at the very least they have been exposed on tv as the disgusting pieces of shit they are. Eventually they will commit a crime and eventually they will get caught, until then how many innocent children will be handled by these guys? Will your son/daughter be one of them?
Legal or not, like I said , at the very least they will be exposed. And Dateline should continue this for a long time, just keep on exposing twisted pedos.
And you Adonis should really look at the kind of person you choose to be ;)
the point should be made that since the nbc crew is not law enforcement, how can you really be sure that they are accurately portraying the situation? maybe they lie to these schmucks- say that they are 18 or over. we'd never know if they did. they still have the spectacle. that's probably all they care about
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the point should be made that since the nbc crew is not law enforcement, how can you really be sure that they are accurately portraying the situation? maybe they lie to these schmucks- say that they are 18 or over. we'd never know if they did. they still have the spectacle. that's probably all they care about
Exactly.
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if you read the entire thing, you'd realize that your statement makes absolutely no sense in relationship to the article
but alas, I won't give Adonis the satisfaction of reading the whole thing. The first line pertains directly to the discussion, and I could use that against his argument :)
besides he just wants to argue, and he doesn't really believe the shit he spouts ;)
It was what it was, a waste of time. :-*
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Bottom line is "Intent" people CAN be arrested for "Intent" to commit a crime, especially if they are caught, do actually think the producers of Dateline didn't consult with counsil before they did this show?
They didn`t. They didn`t even inform the mayor or City Council of Murphy, Texas.
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the point should be made that since the nbc crew is not law enforcement, how can you really be sure that they are accurately portraying the situation? maybe they lie to these schmucks- say that they are 18 or over. we'd never know if they did. they still have the spectacle. that's probably all they care about
don't you think someone that has been exposed would have stepped forward with proof saved on his comp, and said he was set up and lied to? has anyone of these guys come forward with any kind of complaint that they were misled into believing that they were meeting an adult and not a minor? Not that I'm aware of.
Likje I said these guys go there with the full intentions of having sex with a little kid, and they are being exposed, legal? don't care if it is or isn't.
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Associated Press
MURPHY, — A sting in which police teamed up with “Dateline NBC” to catch online pedophiles was supposed to send a flinty-eyed, Texas-style warning about this Dallas suburb: Don’t mess with Murphy.
Instead, it has turned into a fiasco.
One of the 25 men caught in the sting — a prosecutor from a neighboring county — committed suicide when police came to arrest him.
The Murphy city manager who approved the operation lost his job in the ensuing furor.
And the district attorney is refusing to prosecute any of the men, saying many of the cases were tainted by the involvement of amateurs.
“Certainly these people should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, but the fact that this was all done for television cameras raises some questions,” said Mayor Bret Baldwin.
It is the first time in nine “Dateline NBC: To Catch a Predator” stings across the country in the past year and a half that prosecutors did not pursue charges.
“Dateline” has made prime-time entertainment out of contacting would-be child molesters over the Internet, luring them to a meeting place, and videotaping their humiliating confrontations with reporter Chris Hansen.
“Dateline” works with an activist group called Perverted Justice, which supplies adults who troll Internet chat rooms, posing as underage boys and girls, and try to collect incriminating sex talk.
City manager Craig Sherwood approved such an operation in this well-to-do community of 11,000 after being approached by “Dateline” and Perverted Justice, but he never informed the mayor or the City Council. He said secrecy was necessary for the sting to be effective.
Over four days in November, 24 men were arrested at a two-story home in one of Murphy’s newer neighborhoods after allegedly arranging to meet boys or girls there.
Some other suspects contacted Perverted Justice decoys online but never showed up at the house. Among them was Louis Conradt Jr., an assistant prosecutor from neighboring Kaufman County, who allegedly engaged in a sexually explicit online chat with an adult posing as a 13-year-old boy.
As police knocked at his door and a “Dateline” camera crew waited in the street, Conradt shot himself.
His sister, Patricia Conradt, told the City Council that police acted as “a judge, jury and executioner that was encouraged by an out-of-control reality show.”
Then, last month, Collin County District Attorney John Roach dropped all charges. He said that in 16 of the cases, he had no jurisdiction, since neither the suspects nor the decoys were in the county during the online chats.
As for the rest of the cases, he said neither police nor NBC could guarantee the chat logs were authentic and complete.
“The fact that somebody besides police officers were involved is what makes this case bad,” said Roach, who was informed of the sting in advance but did not participate.
“If professionals had been running the show, they would have done a much better job rather than being at the beck and call of outsiders.”
As details of the suicide emerged, Murphy’s mayor, City Council and most of its residents learned for the first time that potential molesters were being lured to their city. Many were furious.
“They can chase predators all they want, but they shouldn’t do it in a populated area with children, two blocks from an elementary school,” said Lisa Watson, 33, who lives down the road from the sting house and has three children and another on the way.
Bryan Whorton, who lives with his wife and baby across the street from the house, said his neighborhood was put in danger. Cars sped up and down the street and police sprinted from hiding spots, guns drawn, to arrest suspects, he said. One suspect dropped a bag of crack, Whorton said.
“This is a family community. It didn’t look kosher at all,” he said.
Two weeks ago, the City Council voted to buy out the city manager’s contract for $255,000.
NBC’s Hansen said Murphy is the only place the show has encountered such resistance.
“I don’t want to get involved in the DA’s business or the police business,” he said. “I can tell you in the other locations, these issues did not come up.” Eric Nichols, a Texas deputy attorney general, said that when law enforcement authorities pull an Internet sex sting, officers posing as decoys follow strict rules. Detailed chat logs are kept to ensure that “sex talk” is initiated by the potential predator. That way, a defendant cannot claim entrapment.
Eric Chase, a defense attorney specializing in sex crimes, said stings are the job of police, not TV crews. “Police should not be abdicating a very important function to either private organizations or entertainment organizations,” he said.
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They didn`t. They didn`t even inform the mayor or City Council of Murphy, Texas.
The mayor is not counsil!!
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I read the article and the writer's logic is seriously flawed. On one hand, he argues that "Without concrete evidence that shows any of the 25 people charged in the sting explicitly solicited a child for sex, none of them actually did anything illegal," while simultaneously arguing that "If anyone rounded up in the sting was a pedophile interested in targeting a child in that community, they are now walking free, at least until they actually do go after someone's child."
So none of them did anything illegal, but he has a problem with them going free.
And equating a lack of 'concrete evidence' to not doing "anything illegal" is also absurd. If I shoot you in the head with the intent to kill you, I've done something illegal regardless of what 'concrete evidence' exists. These amateur lawyer wannabes always confuse facts with legal theory.
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Associated Press
MURPHY, — A sting in which police teamed up with “Dateline NBC” to catch online pedophiles was supposed to send a flinty-eyed, Texas-style warning about this Dallas suburb: Don’t mess with Murphy.
Instead, it has turned into a fiasco.
One of the 25 men caught in the sting — a prosecutor from a neighboring county — committed suicide when police came to arrest him.
The Murphy city manager who approved the operation lost his job in the ensuing furor.
And the district attorney is refusing to prosecute any of the men, saying many of the cases were tainted by the involvement of amateurs.
“Certainly these people should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, but the fact that this was all done for television cameras raises some questions,” said Mayor Bret Baldwin.
It is the first time in nine “Dateline NBC: To Catch a Predator” stings across the country in the past year and a half that prosecutors did not pursue charges.
“Dateline” has made prime-time entertainment out of contacting would-be child molesters over the Internet, luring them to a meeting place, and videotaping their humiliating confrontations with reporter Chris Hansen.
“Dateline” works with an activist group called Perverted Justice, which supplies adults who troll Internet chat rooms, posing as underage boys and girls, and try to collect incriminating sex talk.
City manager Craig Sherwood approved such an operation in this well-to-do community of 11,000 after being approached by “Dateline” and Perverted Justice, but he never informed the mayor or the City Council. He said secrecy was necessary for the sting to be effective.
Over four days in November, 24 men were arrested at a two-story home in one of Murphy’s newer neighborhoods after allegedly arranging to meet boys or girls there.
Some other suspects contacted Perverted Justice decoys online but never showed up at the house. Among them was Louis Conradt Jr., an assistant prosecutor from neighboring Kaufman County, who allegedly engaged in a sexually explicit online chat with an adult posing as a 13-year-old boy.
As police knocked at his door and a “Dateline” camera crew waited in the street, Conradt shot himself.
His sister, Patricia Conradt, told the City Council that police acted as “a judge, jury and executioner that was encouraged by an out-of-control reality show.”
Then, last month, Collin County District Attorney John Roach dropped all charges. He said that in 16 of the cases, he had no jurisdiction, since neither the suspects nor the decoys were in the county during the online chats.
As for the rest of the cases, he said neither police nor NBC could guarantee the chat logs were authentic and complete.
“The fact that somebody besides police officers were involved is what makes this case bad,” said Roach, who was informed of the sting in advance but did not participate.
“If professionals had been running the show, they would have done a much better job rather than being at the beck and call of outsiders.”
As details of the suicide emerged, Murphy’s mayor, City Council and most of its residents learned for the first time that potential molesters were being lured to their city. Many were furious.
“They can chase predators all they want, but they shouldn’t do it in a populated area with children, two blocks from an elementary school,” said Lisa Watson, 33, who lives down the road from the sting house and has three children and another on the way.
Bryan Whorton, who lives with his wife and baby across the street from the house, said his neighborhood was put in danger. Cars sped up and down the street and police sprinted from hiding spots, guns drawn, to arrest suspects, he said. One suspect dropped a bag of crack, Whorton said.
“This is a family community. It didn’t look kosher at all,” he said.
Two weeks ago, the City Council voted to buy out the city manager’s contract for $255,000.
NBC’s Hansen said Murphy is the only place the show has encountered such resistance.
“I don’t want to get involved in the DA’s business or the police business,” he said. “I can tell you in the other locations, these issues did not come up.” Eric Nichols, a Texas deputy attorney general, said that when law enforcement authorities pull an Internet sex sting, officers posing as decoys follow strict rules. Detailed chat logs are kept to ensure that “sex talk” is initiated by the potential predator. That way, a defendant cannot claim entrapment.
Eric Chase, a defense attorney specializing in sex crimes, said stings are the job of police, not TV crews. “Police should not be abdicating a very important function to either private organizations or entertainment organizations,” he said.
what is your point? Mr copy/paste.
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Associated Press
MURPHY, — A sting in which police teamed up with “Dateline NBC” to catch online pedophiles was supposed to send a flinty-eyed, Texas-style warning about this Dallas suburb: Don’t mess with Murphy.
Instead, it has turned into a fiasco.
One of the 25 men caught in the sting — a prosecutor from a neighboring county — committed suicide when police came to arrest him.
The Murphy city manager who approved the operation lost his job in the ensuing furor.
And the district attorney is refusing to prosecute any of the men, saying many of the cases were tainted by the involvement of amateurs.
“Certainly these people should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, but the fact that this was all done for television cameras raises some questions,” said Mayor Bret Baldwin.
It is the first time in nine “Dateline NBC: To Catch a Predator” stings across the country in the past year and a half that prosecutors did not pursue charges.
“Dateline” has made prime-time entertainment out of contacting would-be child molesters over the Internet, luring them to a meeting place, and videotaping their humiliating confrontations with reporter Chris Hansen.
“Dateline” works with an activist group called Perverted Justice, which supplies adults who troll Internet chat rooms, posing as underage boys and girls, and try to collect incriminating sex talk.
City manager Craig Sherwood approved such an operation in this well-to-do community of 11,000 after being approached by “Dateline” and Perverted Justice, but he never informed the mayor or the City Council. He said secrecy was necessary for the sting to be effective.
Over four days in November, 24 men were arrested at a two-story home in one of Murphy’s newer neighborhoods after allegedly arranging to meet boys or girls there.
Some other suspects contacted Perverted Justice decoys online but never showed up at the house. Among them was Louis Conradt Jr., an assistant prosecutor from neighboring Kaufman County, who allegedly engaged in a sexually explicit online chat with an adult posing as a 13-year-old boy.
As police knocked at his door and a “Dateline” camera crew waited in the street, Conradt shot himself.
His sister, Patricia Conradt, told the City Council that police acted as “a judge, jury and executioner that was encouraged by an out-of-control reality show.”
Then, last month, Collin County District Attorney John Roach dropped all charges. He said that in 16 of the cases, he had no jurisdiction, since neither the suspects nor the decoys were in the county during the online chats.
As for the rest of the cases, he said neither police nor NBC could guarantee the chat logs were authentic and complete.
“The fact that somebody besides police officers were involved is what makes this case bad,” said Roach, who was informed of the sting in advance but did not participate.
“If professionals had been running the show, they would have done a much better job rather than being at the beck and call of outsiders.”
As details of the suicide emerged, Murphy’s mayor, City Council and most of its residents learned for the first time that potential molesters were being lured to their city. Many were furious.
“They can chase predators all they want, but they shouldn’t do it in a populated area with children, two blocks from an elementary school,” said Lisa Watson, 33, who lives down the road from the sting house and has three children and another on the way.
Bryan Whorton, who lives with his wife and baby across the street from the house, said his neighborhood was put in danger. Cars sped up and down the street and police sprinted from hiding spots, guns drawn, to arrest suspects, he said. One suspect dropped a bag of crack, Whorton said.
“This is a family community. It didn’t look kosher at all,” he said.
Two weeks ago, the City Council voted to buy out the city manager’s contract for $255,000.
NBC’s Hansen said Murphy is the only place the show has encountered such resistance.
“I don’t want to get involved in the DA’s business or the police business,” he said. “I can tell you in the other locations, these issues did not come up.” Eric Nichols, a Texas deputy attorney general, said that when law enforcement authorities pull an Internet sex sting, officers posing as decoys follow strict rules. Detailed chat logs are kept to ensure that “sex talk” is initiated by the potential predator. That way, a defendant cannot claim entrapment.
Eric Chase, a defense attorney specializing in sex crimes, said stings are the job of police, not TV crews. “Police should not be abdicating a very important function to either private organizations or entertainment organizations,” he said.
If they don't prosecute because of a technicality, that's crap and you could expect alot of parents to take matters into their own hands and rightfully so!
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I read the article and the writer's logic is seriously flawed. On one hand, he argues that "Without concrete evidence that shows any of the 25 people charged in the sting explicitly solicited a child for sex, none of them actually did anything illegal," while simultaneously arguing that "If anyone rounded up in the sting was a pedophile interested in targeting a child in that community, they are now walking free, at least until they actually do go after someone's child."
So none of them did anything illegal, but he has a problem with them going free.
And equating a lack of 'concrete evidence' to not doing "anything illegal" is also absurd. If I shoot you in the head with the intent to kill you, I've done something illegal regardless of what 'concrete evidence' exists. These amateur lawyer wannabes always confuse facts with legal theory.
Nice....you may now keep your expert stars ;D
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or create a distorted sense of fear such that people eventually get so scared that they barely ever leave the house
that's a big problem with the media- constant fear mongering
i agree with that...But lets face it...Everyone knows someone who has been raped or molested at a young age...Alot of the human race is a fcking cancer...Their is no doubt about that...If a show crosses the line and exposes that...So be it...
Its to bad the people in the world who are going to commit suicide don't go out and start killing people before they do themselves in...I don't mean kill just anyone...I mean go down to your local court and follow cases day in and day out...Find out who the child molesters are and what not...I would like to see someone take out Micheal Jackson...Their is no reason this thing should be walking the planet...And how about OJ...Why is he still living...Surely their is some suicidal guy out there that dreams of being known for something...Take OJ the fck out...Who really cares...When shit like that happens, most people say "he got what he deserved--fck him"
I see nothing wrong with people taking the law into their own hands sometimes...I know the government doesn't want any of us doing that...But fck them...I say more power to that...
If Mike Vick gets shot tonight by someone...How many of us would say fck him...Justice is done...
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i agree with that...But lets face it...Everyone knows someone who has been raped or molested at a young age...Alot of the human race is a fcking cancer...Their is no doubt about that...If a show crosses the line and exposes that...So be it...
Its to bad the people in the world who are going to commit suicide don't go out and start killing people before they do themselves in...I don't mean kill just anyone...I mean go down to your local court and follow cases day in and day out...Find out who the child molesters are and what not...I would like to see someone take out Micheal Jackson...Their is no reason this thing should be walking the planet...And how about OJ...Why is he still living...Surely their is some suicidal guy out there that dreams of being known for something...Take OJ the fck out...Who really cares...When shit like that happens, most people say "he got what he deserved--fck him"
I see nothing wrong with people taking the law into their own hands sometimes...I know the government doesn't want any of us doing that...But fck them...I say more power to that...
If Mike Vick gets shot tonight by someone...How many of us would say fck him...Justice is done...
If we all started taking the law into our own hands, we would all be dead.
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If we all started taking the law into our own hands, we would all be dead.
All except for one of us!
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If we all started taking the law into our own hands, we would all be dead.
And that exactly what will happen if they don't prosicute based on Dateline's evidence, but then again, I've always said most of the laws are not based on commonsense!!
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And that exactly what will happen if they don't prosicute based on Dateline's evidence, but then again, I've always said most of the laws are not based on commonsense!!
Dateline`s "evidence" is a sham.
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Michael Vick as there is actual evidence of a crime being commited and an abhorrent and appauling one at that.
The child predators are set up illegaly according to laws in most states as private organizations, (in this case NBC), have no legal authority to carry out sting operations. The people are most of the time, coerced and no crime occurs.
I don`t see how someone can be arrested pre-emptively. It should outrage you that this is happening.
What outrages me is that you are still breathing the same oxygen supply that we all have to share.
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What outrages me is that you are still breathing the same oxygen supply that we all have to share.
Do you wish to do something about that? Perhaps a little violence against me?
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Dateline`s "evidence" is a sham.
A sham? It's on video. Why do I get this feeling you defend pedo's and NAMBLA (samething)?
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Nope...........not on my part. I feel that some day you will undo yourself ;D
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A sham? It's on video. Why do I get this feeling you defend pedo's and NAMBLA (samething)?
Dateline does not have any authority to carry out law enforcement activities.
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What outrages me is that you are still breathing the same oxygen supply that we all have to share.
So you'll defend a pedo but not a dog killer (allegedly)?
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I defend the Constitution and do not support false crimes by investigative units and special interest groups with no authority.
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Michael Vick or the child predators that get caught on Dateline NBC's "To Catch a Predator"
Vick
a lot of time the "predators" just like to have kids sit on their laps or some such
torturing a dog is far worse.
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I defend the Constitution and do not support false crimes by investigative units and special interest groups with no authority.
Sorry dude, but it wasn't a false crime, it was intent and thats enough!!
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Vick
a lot of time the "predators" just like to have kids sit on their laps or some such
torturing a dog is far worse.
Strangly enough, TA's alter ego agree's with him :-\!!
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So you'll defend a pedo but not a dog killer (allegedly)?
Nope. I will not defend a pedo, I would rather rip his ears clear down to his ankles and pour salt on his wounds.
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Sorry dude, but it wasn't a false crime, it was intent and thats enough!!
First off no crimes were committed since there are no children even involved. Second, Look at who is carrying out the investigations. A entertainment show and a special interest group.
Sounds like the nuts on the Southern US border who are just making things WAY MORE DIFFICULT for the REAL authorities.
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Strangly enough, TA's alter ego agree's with him :-\!!
most children are obnoxious and stupid. I much prefer dogs.
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Nope. I will not defend a pedo, I would rather rip his ears clear down to his ankles and pour salt on his wounds.
Yah, thats real civilized. The fact that you even think like that and would actually want to carry that kind of behavior out should be a giant red flag that you are a barbaric knuckle-dragging simpleton. Of course you could be kidding. If not, you are strange indeed.
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First off no crimes were committed since there are no children even involved. Second, Look at who is carrying out the investigations. A entertainment show and a special interest group.
Sounds like the nuts on the Southern US border who are just making things WAY MORE DIFFICULT for the REAL authorities.
"INTENT" is an awefully strong word in legal circles!
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most children are obnoxious and stupid. I much prefer dogs.
Exactly. There are too many children around as it is.
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"INTENT" is an awefully strong word in legal circles!
And that is a big problem with the United States, throw you in jail for nothing, legal system.
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Exactly. There are too many children around as it is.
Why are you answering yourself?
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Exactly. There are too many children around as it is.
So you'd defend a dog rather than a child??
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Why are you answering yourself?
check my profile...I've been here longer than TA. I've also posted pics, and videos.
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Yah, thats real civilized. The fact that you even think like that and would actually want to carry that kind of behavior out should be a giant red flag that you are a barbaric knuckle-dragging simpleton. Of course you could be kidding. If not, you are strange indeed.
Oh no, make no mistake. If some twisted fuck took a kid of mine and sexually assaulted him/her. I would be very barbaric towards the dealing of said individual. I would do very unthinkable things to someone like this. How could anyone think that this would be the actions of a knuckle dragger?
The single most fucked up thing about America is it's judicial system in how it treats its criminals and its victims. Things have really changed for the worse in regards to the penalties for some of these freaks that in my opinion should (once proven guilty) be drug out and shot right off, with no burial. Fuck, buzzards gotta eat too.
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And that is a big problem with the United States, throw you in jail for nothing, legal system.
yeah, the drug laws are far too draconian. since the harsh drug laws were passed in the 1980s, the prison population has quadrupled
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Oh no, make no mistake. If some twisted fuck took a kid of mine and sexually assaulted him/her. I would be very barbaric towards the dealing of said individual. I would do very unthinkable things to someone like this. How could anyone think that this would be the actions of a knuckle dragger?
The single most fucked up thing about America is it's judicial system in how it treats its criminals and its victims. Things have really changed for the worse in regards to the penalties for some of these freaks that in my opinion should (once proven guilty) be drug out and shot right off, with no burial. Fuck, buzzards gotta eat too.
you are one of the most uncivilized people I've ever encountered
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If we all started taking the law into our own hands, we would all be dead.
Anarchy is totally misunderstood...Laws will corrupt any system...
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yeah, the drug laws are far too draconian. since the harsh drug laws were passed in the 1980s, the prison population has quadrupled
As far as the drug laws go they should just go after the drug abusers. You know the fuckers that cannot handle their own addictions and go out and hurt someone else intentional or not. they should be harsh on them. then maybe just maybe people would think twice about a drug habit. Something like public floggings. Or maybe litter patrol in the nude during rushour in their hometown.
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you are one of the most uncivilized people I've ever encountered
Well this is really funny. You have never encountered me. Hope this helps.
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As far as the drug laws go they should just go after the drug abusers. You know the fuckers that cannot handle their own addictions and go out and hurt someone else intentional or not. they should be harsh on them. then maybe just maybe people would think twice about a drug habit. Something like public floggings. Or maybe litter patrol in the nude during rushour in their hometown.
Or maybe it doesn't matter at all what is in someone's system and just go after the action...If someone hurts someone...Then charge them for the action...The Chris Bennoits case should show us all that...
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Great answer, I agree. But if anyone ever touched my son, I'd probably be up for a murder charge!
Oh, I hear ya there. >:(
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Or maybe it doesn't matter at all what is in someone's system and just go after the action...If someone hurts someone...Then charge them for the action...The Chris Bennoits case should show us all that...
Right fucking on!!! I am so sick of people saying, " I was high!- I was not in my right mind" who the fuck in their right mind would do some of these things?
A man murdered some people and was declared "temperarly insane".....really no shit doc'. Again, who in their right mind would murder someone. I know some bullshit artist can come on her and offer some psycho-babble bullshit on the definition of insanity as it pertains to the rule of law. Fuck who ever that is.
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Not from the US but the legal system seems very harsh,A Kilo of cocaine 20 years in Prison,3 strikes and life, my lifestyle id be looking at some hardtime.
Though i believe every country would embrace pedophiles 3 rd strike lose your testicles in surgery.Harsh but but justifiable.
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Not from the US but the legal system seems very harsh,A Kilo of cocaine 20 years in Prison,3 strikes and life, my lifestyle id be looking at some hardtime.
Though i believe every country would embrace pedophiles 3 rd strike lose your testicles in surgery.Harsh but but justifiable.
In an Anarcist system, Pedophiles would be outed and dealt with swiftly...Just like in prison...The problem is alot of pedophiles are in charge of making and ruling on the laws....
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There is no crime in those unconstituitonal dateline "stings". No child molesting. It all an act. The person on the other end is posing as a child.
Why isn`t the person posing as a child in trouble for acting like a child who wants to have sex with an older man or woman?
so should we not arrest suicide bombers if the bomb malfunctions and doesn't detinate? you argument is ridiculous, it seems that you just like to argue so you pick a very unpopular/unrealistic opinion just so everyone will reem you... how would you feel if your child(if you had one) was almost malested...would you want that person to go jail or would you turn him loose in the streets?
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Adonis supports these fucking pedos. Maybe when him and "jezebelle" have a kid that gets fucked by one of these guys he'll feel differently. fucking idiot.
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Old Rooster should speak on this ...that guys has a thing for lil kids, his nickname is "kindergarden"
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If we all started taking the law into our own hands, we would all be dead.
And you would be the first.
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Excellent thread. ;D
Love the way Adonis has an answer for everything! ;D
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Wow.
You're dead wrong. Let's go through these faulty points one by one:
1. You can be charged for crimes you only "attempted" to commit. It's a simple fact. If you put a bomb under your wife's car and set it off when she wasn't in it, you can be charged with attempted murder instead of destruction of property? What part of this is difficult to understand? If the evidence is sufficient enough to suggest that had circumstances been correct, you would have most certainly done what you were planning to do (a crime) then you can be charged with that crime. This precedent was set a loooooonnnggg time ago. So if you're arguing that point then you have a problem with the supreme court in addition to NBC.
2. Why are you focusing on NBC? Pervertedjustice.com has been putting people away before nbc and without their help. I suggest you go on their website and see why it is in fact a legal process.
3. Young kids that "want" to have sex. Here's another fact. 12 year old kids don't know what they "want". Their psyches are not yet fully formed, which is why 12 year old kids are not allowed to drink alcohol, vote, drive a car OR have sex. An extremely disproportionate amount of kids molested were actually molested as children themselves. For this reason it is even more important to stop or catch molesters before they propagate the tendancy further. Strict penalties do not have an impact on crimes dealing with sexual desire. If you want to fuck a little kid deep down inside you're probably willing to forego consequences to do so.
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Wow.
You're dead wrong. Let's go through these faulty points one by one:
1. You can be charged for crimes you only "attempted" to commit. It's a simple fact. If you put a bomb under your wife's car and set it off when she wasn't in it, you can be charged with attempted murder instead of destruction of property? What part of this is difficult to understand? If the evidence is sufficient enough to suggest that had circumstances been correct, you would have most certainly done what you were planning to do (a crime) then you can be charged with that crime. This precedent was set a loooooonnnggg time ago. So if you're arguing that point then you have a problem with the supreme court in addition to NBC.
2. Why are you focusing on NBC? Pervertedjustice.com has been putting people away before nbc and without their help. I suggest you go on their website and see why it is in fact a legal process.
3. Young kids that "want" to have sex. Here's another fact. 12 year old kids don't know what they "want". Their psyches are not yet fully formed, which is why 12 year old kids are not allowed to drink alcohol, vote, drive a car OR have sex. An extremely disproportionate amount of kids molested were actually molested as children themselves. For this reason it is even more important to stop or catch molesters before they propagate the tendancy further. Strict penalties do not have an impact on crimes dealing with sexual desire. If you want to fuck a little kid deep down inside you're probably willing to forego consequences to do so.
Yes! cue adonis to say "if i want to fck a 12 year old and theyre willing its freedom of choice, i love underdeveloped poon!"
Seriously, it takes a real asshole to defend these sick people.
Whats even better is it's on tv and people in jail/prison see it and they get sweet beatings after theyre arrested.
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Trainwreck.
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I can't believe Adonis spent all night defending pedophiles :-\
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They aren`t molesters as they are not charged with that crime. No crime actually occurs. Only talk over the internet.
You really feel comfortable with people getting arrested for talking over the internet? Don`t forget the person acting like the child is leading them on, duping them the whole way.
Hi "guy who only talks to them over the Internet."
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I "HATE" neither, but despise both.
It takes effort to hate something.
Silly question: How many calories does despising burn?
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Michael Vick as there is actual evidence of a crime being commited and an abhorrent and appauling one at that.
The child predators are set up illegaly according to laws in most states as private organizations, (in this case NBC), have no legal authority to carry out sting operations. The people are most of the time, coerced and no crime occurs.
Epic attempt at being controversial. We're all-a-sudden concerned with statute specifics? In essence, you hate alleged animal abusers more than alleged child abusers. Wonderful priorities, Adam.
He didn't ask who'd have a tougher time beatin' his rap.
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I "HATE" neither, but despise both.
You shoudn't have hate in your heart, you may not like them but never say hate!
Tha's terrible!!
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For the record, I hate Chris Hansen most of all.
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For the record, I hate Chris Hansen most of all.
he looks like a cross dresser
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he looks like a cross dresser
Can't wait to see the smug bastard get caught in a similar CNN sting.
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Michael Vick should be thrown in a cage full of hungry tigers.