Let's hear it.
I'll do it, but only if people are interested in conversation. We're not about throwing insults around on this board (not saying that's what you do, just for everyone). If it devolves into bullshit, I'll just delete and move on.
I'm not saying he's not the best....but there are legit events that should be part of the conversation. I'm sure I will just be called a hater, but that's fine. I don't even dislike Brady, but I do hate when legit questions get ignored for complete homerism. It's like how fans insist Ortiz was clean.
First, just like the 2017 Astros, the Patriots are confirmed cheaters. Despite what NE fans say, this was not a case of a camera being in the wrong spot. This was a complete systemic process for stealing the other teams plays. They even employed a man named Ernie Adams, whose full time job was to decipher codes and steal plays, and Goodell and NFL were complicit in the coverup:
Now, the Patriots realized that they were on to something, a schematic edge that could allow their best minds more control on the field. Taping from the sideline increased efficiency and minimized confusion. And so, as Walsh later told investigators, the system improved, becoming more streamlined -- and more secretive. The quarterbacks were cut out of the process. The only people involved were a few coaches, the video staff and, of course, Adams. Belichick, almost five years after being fired by the Browns and fully aware that this was his last best shot as a head coach, placed an innovative system of cheating in the hands of his most trusted friend.
This was all written about in the following article which every football fan should read. It's not some hack hater article, it's actually real investigative journalism, with over 90 sources. NE fans try to claim spygate was a camera in the wrong place. Judge for yourself.
https://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13533995/split-nfl-new-england-patriots-apartEither way, every one of those first three SB wins were by less than a TD. Close enough to question the validity, as each game could legit come down to knowing one or two key plays in advance, by illegal means. So I put those first three as questionable.
Plus one of them had the tuck rule, which was bullshit as well.
I then classify the Atlanta and Seattle wins as less to do with Brady (he played well) and more to do with the inexplicable decisions were head coaches legitimately gifted wins that they basically had in the bag. Both had the necessary weapons to secure the game...in fact, they had the best ones in the game. Seattle needed short yardage to win the SB, and they had the best short yardage back in the game. Everyone knows how Carrol gifted that one away. Brady was on the sideline crying with his head in his hands when the Int happend. For the Falcons, all they had to do was run the ball and play the clock, but the coach inexplicably kept the passing game up. Then, in FG range, indoors, with the best kicker in the league, they drop Ryan back and he gets sacked out of FG range. 3 runs and a sub 40 yard FG and they win. Done. These two are not necessarily a knock on Brady, but moreso how 2 SB could vanish if the coaches were not inept.
They won the Rams SB, but Brady played like shit. Also, they should have been playing NO since the refs non call of one of the most blatant PI plays in history literally stole the SB appearance from the Saints. Also, a nitpick, but Chiefs "won" when Brady had an incomplete pass to end the game, but a HAND in the neutral zone gave it a replay, and the Pats won.
Owned by Eli Manning TWICE. Eli. Manning. I will give the 2007 to anyone who says the Giants got lucky on the helmet catch. However, it is still the greatest play in football history, but I digress.....
TB win is legit, but more to do with TB defense.
Also, the rules favor the current crop of QBs, and offenses more, so the older guys had it much harder.
Now, all that shit I listed might not mean anything, and he's likely still the best ever. But without a tremendous amount of luck, and maybe cheating, he might have 2 wins.
The stuff above will be dismissed as hating, but it should be part of the conversation when people make their own judgement.
In summary: 3 SB questionable, two gifts, one he played like shit, owned by Eli twice, favorable rules, and some luck.