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Title: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 09, 2011, 11:44:31 AM
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president.

The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.

The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president."



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Bingo   
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Straw Man on December 09, 2011, 11:47:36 AM
Thanks Comrade

Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 09, 2011, 11:54:25 AM
Thanks Comrade



If I had to put it in to a picture - this is exactly what is wrong with america.     

Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Straw Man on December 09, 2011, 12:01:02 PM
If I had to put it in to a picture - this is exactly what is wrong with america.     

you shouldn't post pics until you stop drinking and lose some weight
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 09, 2011, 12:01:50 PM
you shouldn't post pics until you stop drinking and lose some weight


 ::)  ::)
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 09, 2011, 12:03:14 PM
 ;)
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Straw Man on December 09, 2011, 12:04:52 PM

 ::)  ::)

what's that got to do with you being a black out drunk who hates his country and advocates violence against your fellow citizens ?
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 09, 2011, 12:06:14 PM
what's that got to do with you being a black out drunk who hates his country and advocates violence against your fellow citizens ?


Only against those planning on voting for obama again.   
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Straw Man on December 09, 2011, 12:09:12 PM

Only against those planning on voting for obama again.   

of course

you only advocate violence on those who don't share your political views

just like any other communist or marxist would do
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 09, 2011, 12:13:07 PM
of course

you only advocate violence on those who don't share your political views

just like any other communist or marxist would do



Not at all.   I have a few friends who voted for obama who literally foam at the mouth in hatred of him now and will vote A B O in 2012.  They gave him a chance and now are literally begging daily to rid our nation of this communist wretch.     

 
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Straw Man on December 09, 2011, 12:15:16 PM


Not at all.   I have a few friends who voted for obama who literally foam at the mouth in hatred of him now and will vote A B O in 2012.  They gave him a chance and now are literally begging daily to rid our nation of this communist wretch.       

so....those alleged friends of yours no longer support Obama so they are spared your violence

again, just like any loyal commie you only advocate violence against those who don't share your political beliefs

Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 09, 2011, 12:18:17 PM
so....those alleged friends of yours no longer support Obama so they are spared your violence

again, just like any loyal commie you only advocate violence against those who don't share your political beliefs




No - they are not as political as I am and were sick of bush and decided to go with the new cool young black guy.

Rarely a conversation goes by that they dont mention how fucked our country is with this asshole.   


   
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: 240 is Back on December 09, 2011, 12:19:50 PM

No - they are not as political as I am and were sick of bush and decided to go with the new cool young black guy.

Rarely a conversation goes by that they dont mention how fucked our country is with this asshole.   


   

so the people that vote obama - they don't deserve a beating, after all?

Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 09, 2011, 12:21:57 PM
so the people that vote obama - they don't deserve a beating, after all?



The people that plan on voting for him again deserve to flattened by a steamroller into the hot asphalt.  Those that voted for him the first time but have since recanted like Hugo, BF, yourself to a degree, I can respect a little more. 
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: haider on December 09, 2011, 12:22:01 PM

No - they are not as political as I am and were sick of bush and decided to go with the new cool young black guy.

Rarely a conversation goes by that they dont mention how fucked our country is with this asshole.   


   
how many clips have you watched today?
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: haider on December 09, 2011, 12:23:00 PM
and what is your exact location?
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 09, 2011, 12:24:29 PM
and what is your exact location?

Bronx , NY.   
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: LurkerNoMore on December 09, 2011, 12:26:24 PM
and what is your exact location?

Guest bedroom.  Mommy's apartment.  Shitty neighborhood.
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 09, 2011, 12:31:12 PM
Guest bedroom.  Mommy's apartment.  Shitty neighborhood.

Can you refute this? 

Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: LurkerNoMore on December 09, 2011, 12:49:55 PM
Can you refute this?

Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 09, 2011, 12:51:43 PM
Can you refute this?



 ::)  ::)

Yeah - how about this asshole.   
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: LurkerNoMore on December 09, 2011, 01:00:15 PM
How about this.

Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 09, 2011, 01:03:45 PM
How about this.



oh you showed me.    ::)  ::)
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: LurkerNoMore on December 09, 2011, 01:17:07 PM
Sure did.  Just in case you missed it :


Good luck at reach 75K posts by Monday. 
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 09, 2011, 01:19:20 PM
Sure did.  Just in case you missed it :


Good luck at reach 75K posts by Monday. 

Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: LurkerNoMore on December 09, 2011, 01:25:01 PM
One post closer.  Keep up the good work.  Make sure mommy straps the helmet on your head nice and tight before revving up the internet all weekend.

Will check back Monday and see how much crying and whining you have done.  Just remember :

Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 09, 2011, 01:26:35 PM
One post closer.  Keep up the good work.  Make sure mommy straps the helmet on your head nice and tight before revving up the internet all weekend.

Will check back Monday and see how much crying and whining you have done.  Just remember :



Can you humor us and defend one obama policy on the economy vs stalking people like a gay jilted serial killer? 
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: whork on December 09, 2011, 02:11:57 PM
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president.

The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.

The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president."



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Bingo   

You are a little pussy really, come on if somebody is there with you: WILL You please slap this little sissie a flat one across the face. You should be thankful you live in this society, you would'nt make it in a world where government was'nt there for you, lets be honest
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 09, 2011, 02:13:27 PM
Why does this quote get so many obamabots so upset?   
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: whork on December 10, 2011, 06:41:49 AM
Why does this quote get so many obamabots so upset?   

Cant speak for Obama supporters im on the RP vagon myself

But you seem to be shitting your pants over .. well nothing

Its ridicilous
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: headhuntersix on December 10, 2011, 06:54:28 AM
Good...waste your vote on a pacifist nut.....the left loves Paul.
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Straw Man on December 10, 2011, 07:14:30 AM
333 - how is it the great commie hunter does not understand that this quote says the electorate is the "danger" to this country.   The very thing that has made this country unique since it founding is the "danger" according to this retarded quote

so comdrade ......what is your solution to the problem of the electorate choosing leaders that you don't personally approve of?

If you have no answer other than to bitch and moan then feel free to move to a country where you don't have the option to choose your own leaders and then you won't be burdened by this problem anymore
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: headhuntersix on December 10, 2011, 07:21:14 AM
When the voters elect somebody who works to destroy the country with every breath he takes, who sides with, pals around with, takes advice from and is supported by enemies of this country, we have a right to ask if the electorate knows what the hell they're doing. Or, maybe after looking around at all his failures, all the gains from the Right, that President ought to figure out with his big giant Harvard brain that it wasn't so much about him as it was about 8 years of Bush and the failing economy. My advice would be the same to whoever wins in 2012.
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Straw Man on December 10, 2011, 07:39:34 AM
When the voters elect somebody who works to destroy the country with every breath he takes, who sides with, pals around with, takes advice from and is supported by enemies of this country, we have a right to ask if the electorate knows what the hell they're doing. Or, maybe after looking around at all his failures, all the gains from the Right, that President ought to figure out with his big giant Harvard brain that it wasn't so much about him as it was about 8 years of Bush and the failing economy. My advice would be the same to whoever wins in 2012.

I believe anyone you support will work to destroy the country therefore you are the danger or more precisely your vote is the danger so what is the solution?    I guess we have to take away your vote to save the country from democracy.     Right?
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Fury on December 10, 2011, 09:11:19 AM
Why does this quote get so many obamabots so upset?   

They hate when the truth smacks them in the face.

Obama is, by all accounts, the worst president this country has ever seen.

The drones can piss and moan about this but his own people have acknowledge that he can't run on his own record. That is all the proof one needs to draw the conclusion I did.
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: headhuntersix on December 10, 2011, 09:24:25 AM
I believe anyone you support will work to destroy the country therefore you are the danger or more precisely your vote is the danger so what is the solution?    I guess we have to take away your vote to save the country from democracy.     Right?

Did anything in my post say that...read again Lib. Your guy is destroying the country everyday. When he looses all ur traitorous bastrds should follow him into exile.
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Straw Man on December 10, 2011, 09:27:27 AM
They hate when the truth smacks them in the face.

Obama is, by all accounts, the worst president this country has ever seen.

The drones can piss and moan about this but his own people have acknowledge that he can't run on his own record. That is all the proof one needs to draw the conclusion I did.

that premise of that quote is that the electorate cannot be trusted to choose the leaders that are acceptable to the far right wing of this country ......according the the far right wing of course

what is the solution?

The far right wing of this country literally hates the very premise on which this country was founded....... a government of the people, by the people, for the people (as Lincoln described it)



Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Straw Man on December 10, 2011, 09:29:57 AM
Did anything in my post say that...read again Lib. Your guy is destroying the country everyday. When he looses all ur traitorous bastrds should follow him into exile.

yeah and right wingers accusing the left of destroying the country and vice versa is as old as the country itself

face it - you don't like the choice made by the majority of the country and if you have a issue with how our leaders are chosen then you have a issue with the founding principle this country

kind of ironic considering you're risking your life (presumably) defending the very founding principle which you hate and claim is a danger to this country
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on December 10, 2011, 09:55:01 AM
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president.

The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.

The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president."



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Bingo   

I agree completely. Attitudes are starting to shift but there is a looooong way to go.
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Straw Man on December 10, 2011, 09:56:36 AM
I agree completely. Attitudes are starting to shift but there is a looooong way to go.

what part do you agree with?
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on December 10, 2011, 10:07:26 AM
what part do you agree with?


All of it. The general public is too slow to see things for what they are. You think Barrack is doing something good for the people of the country? He`s been a proven liar and disaster. How much more evidence do you need? The fact that people are still willing to give him a chance says a lot and none of it is good.
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Straw Man on December 10, 2011, 10:13:13 AM

All of it. The general public is too slow to see things for what they are. You think Barrack is doing something good for the people of the country? He`s been a proven liar and disaster. How much more evidence do you need? The fact that people are still willing to give him a chance says a lot and none of it is good.

I think Obama is no worse than any other POTUS and better than many but that's really not the issue

the quote is about how the electorate cannot be trusted to choose an appropriate leader based on the opinion of the person making the quote. 

basically one person (and anyone who agrees with him) is saying their fellow citizens cannot be trusted to choose the "correct" leader. 

what is the solution to that alleged problem?
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on December 10, 2011, 10:29:49 AM
I think Obama is no worse than any other POTUS and better than many but that's really not the issue

the quote is about how the electorate cannot be trusted to choose an appropriate leader based on the opinion of the person making the quote. 

basically one person (and anyone who agrees with him) is saying their fellow citizens cannot be trusted to choose the "correct" leader. 

what is the solution to that alleged problem?


I agree with the first statement. I don`t care for the level of bad of each politician if the overall direction is still shit.

Do you think people are politically, socially enlightened? Do you really beleive that most people voting have the majority of the actual facts on who they are voting for and how their record affected the course of the nation, (for good or bad)? I don`t. So how can they make a proper decision? I don`t think they can, that is untill they are exposed to more views other than by those on all these pundit shows and they take more time to collect the information they need to make well informed decisions. Untill that happens I don`t have complete faith that they`ll do the right thing. I beleive in time things will change but we arent there yet.
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Fury on December 10, 2011, 10:30:15 AM
that premise of that quote is that the electorate cannot be trusted to choose the leaders that are acceptable to the far right wing of this country ......according the the far right wing of course

what is the solution?

The far right wing of this country literally hates the very premise on which this country was founded....... a government of the people, by the people, for the people (as Lincoln described it)





This thread isn't about the "far right-wing" (whoever they are). It's about Obama and the fools that elected him.

And last I checked, the "far right-wing", which I'm guessing to you means the Tea Party, seems more intent on upholding the constitution than people like you and your leftist cohorts.
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Fury on December 10, 2011, 10:31:36 AM
I agree with the first statement. I don`t care for the level of bad of each politician if the overall direction is still shit.

Do you think people are politically, socially enlightened? Do you really beleive that most people voting have the majority of the actual facts on who they are voting for and how their record affected the course of the nation, (for good or bad)? I don`t. So how can they make a proper decision? I don`t think they can, that is untill they are exposed to more views other than by those on all these pundit shows and they take more time to collect the information they need to make well informed decisions. Untill that happens I don`t have complete faith that they`ll do the right thing. I beleive in time things will change but we arent there yet.

The country as a whole probably won't change until the entire system crashes down. For example, Straw Man argues that Obama could spend a few trillion more and everything will be fixed. It's going to take a long time to eradicate this neo-Keynesian voodoo.
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on December 10, 2011, 10:38:53 AM
The country as a whole probably won't change until the entire system crashes down. For example, Straw Man argues that Obama could spend a few trillion more and everything will be fixed. It's going to take a long time to eradicate this neo-Keynesian voodoo.

I agree and its too bad that the public doesnt want to be more proactive in learning about the issues before it gets to that point. Its difficult to rationalize with some now, nevermind when things are going totally sideways. 
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Straw Man on December 10, 2011, 10:40:21 AM
I agree with the first statement. I don`t care for the level of bad of each politician if the overall direction is still shit.

Do you think people are politically, socially enlightened? Do you really beleive that most people voting have the majority of the actual facts on who they are voting for and how their record affected the course of the nation, (for good or bad)? I don`t. So how can they make a proper decision? I don`t think they can, that is untill they are exposed to more views other than by those on all these pundit shows and they take more time to collect the information they need to make well informed decisions. Untill that happens I don`t have complete faith that they`ll do the right thing. I beleive in time things will change but we arent there yet.

I think voters today have more information about candidates than they ever had in the history of our country.   Do you think voters in the 1800's or even early in this century had anywhere near the level of information about candidates


as far as the "proper" decision goes,  who are you, me or anyone in a position to tell others what is the "proper" action to take with their vote?
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Straw Man on December 10, 2011, 10:44:44 AM
This thread isn't about the "far right-wing" (whoever they are). It's about Obama and the fools that elected him.

And last I checked, the "far right-wing", which I'm guessing to you means the Tea Party, seems more intent on upholding the constitution than people like you and your leftist cohorts.

the quote is about how the electorate cannot be trusted to choose a canditate to the liking of the far right wing

You only see quotes like this from the far right. 

The right wing in this country hates the electorate which is why you only see voter suppression tactics from the right.   They know for a fact that the more people who vote the less chance their agenda (which approaches fascism) has of being enacted.

I truly wish that both parties would agree that it is to the benefit of our country to have as many eligible voters participating in the process as possible
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on December 10, 2011, 11:15:09 AM
I think voters today have more information about candidates then they ever had in the history of our country.   Do you think voters in the 1800's or even early in this century had anywhere near the level of information about candidates


as far as the "proper" decision goes,  who are you, me or anyone in a position to tell others what is the "proper" action to take with their vote?

 They have more information at their disposal but the overwhelming majority do not access it. I think both sides have enough evidence on each other to prove their ignorance. That's the problem, they don't investigate. They turn on the TV and have some talking head make that decision for them. They sit in the work lunch room and listen to idiot #1 talk to idiot #2 and form their opinion from that and so on.

Whats the proper decision?  Should we vote for individuals that have a prooven record of flip flopping, gaining monetarily from their postions, that are caught lying, that don't follow through on their promises, who's actions are making a situation worse, etc... The fact that a person like Newt is in first place and some want to continue with Obama  explains it all pretty clearly to me that the quote is pretty much bang on. The name in the quote is pretty much interchangable with most politicans but the fact that public still doesnt get it hasnt changed.
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Straw Man on December 10, 2011, 11:20:24 AM
They have more information at their disposal but the overwhelming majority do not access it. I think both sides have enough evidence on each other to prove their ignorance. That's the problem, they don't investigate. They turn on the TV and have some talking head make that decision for them. They sit in the work lunch room and listen to idiot #1 talk to idiot #2 and form their opinion from that and so on.

Whats the proper decision?  Should we vote for individuals that have a prooven record of flip flopping, gaining monetarily from their postions, that are caught lying, that don't follow through on their promises, who's actions are making a situation worse, etc... The fact that a person like Newt is in first place and some want to continue with Obama  explains it all pretty clearly to me that the quote is pretty much bang on.

the idea that there is a "proper decision" is flawed

if there were a proper decision to be made then we could just avoid the electoral process and have a panel of "experts" choose the "proper" person

Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on December 10, 2011, 11:34:31 AM
the idea that there is a "proper decision" is flawed

if there were a proper decision to be made then we could just avoid the electoral process and have a panel of "experts" choose the "proper" person



Now you`re just playing games.

 So the decision to  vote for someone who has a history of being corrupt is going to yield a beneficial result to the public?   Is that your conclusion? I would think that not voting for that type of person would be the proper decision.

 Did I ever say we should have experts casting a vote for us? All I said is that the present state of the publics knowledge on the people they are voting for is terrible and  things will not change for the better because most of the politicians are garbage. Until the public realizes this I don`t have faith in them making the proper voting decision. Still, I'm not suggesting they aren't entitled to make that stupid decision as unfortunate as it is.
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 10, 2011, 11:35:55 AM
the idea that there is a "proper decision" is flawed

if there were a proper decision to be made then we could just avoid the electoral process and have a panel of "experts" choose the "proper" person



Not at all.   In a sane world a person like Obama would never have made it through the primary let alone the general.
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Straw Man on December 10, 2011, 11:49:25 AM
Now you`re just playing games.

 So the decision to  vote for someone who has a history of being corrupt is going to yield a beneficial result to the public? Is that your conclusion?

 Did I ever say we should have experts casting a vote for us? All I said is that the present state of the public knowledge on the people they are voting for is terrible and Thessaly things will not change for the better because most of the politicians are garbage. Until the public realizes this I don`t have faith in them making the proper voting decision. Still, I'm not suggesting they aren't entitled to make that stupid decision as unfortunate as it is.

and all I'm saying is that I don't agree with you that the present state of public knowledge for voting is terrible

people in this country have many different political beliefs and what is appealing to you is horrifying to someone else.   That's how all politics works everywhere

if you think a politician is "garbage" this is nothing more than your opinion which is the "proper choice" for you and no one else.  

The present state of public knowledge is as good as it's ever been and most people have more than enough opportunity and information to make what they believe it the proper choice for themselves

I do think most of our choices suck but I think that has more to do with our two party system and how we finance elections and now how we let moneyed interests influence our elections but that is a separate issue than whether the electorate can essentially be trusted with their vote
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Straw Man on December 10, 2011, 11:52:13 AM
Not at all.   In a sane world a person like Obama would never have made it through the primary let alone the general.

ok then I declare all the people you've supported (Palin, Paladino, Trump, Cain, etc..) as improper

You can't be trusted to vote correctly

welcome to the United States of America comrade
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 10, 2011, 11:57:53 AM
ok then I declare all the people you've supported (Palin, Paladino, Trump, Cain, etc..) as improper

You can't be trusted to vote correctly

welcome to the United States of America comrade


They haven't mad it their life's work to collapse America.  Big difference.
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Straw Man on December 10, 2011, 12:02:29 PM
They haven't mad it their life's work to collapse America.  Big difference.

and this is the crux of your problem

you're insane or at the very least harmlessly crazy

by your own quote you can't be trusted to vote and make the correct decision
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 10, 2011, 12:05:03 PM
and this is the crux of your problem

you're insane or at the very least harmlessly crazy

by your own quote you can't be trusted to vote and make the correct decision



Why?   Obama promised to collapse America. 
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Straw Man on December 10, 2011, 12:07:18 PM

Why?   Obama promised to collapse America. 

of course he did

that's why we have to give him a second term so he can complete the collapse
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 10, 2011, 12:09:39 PM
of course he did

that's why we have to give him a second term so he can complete the collapse

No way.   There is still some time left to save us. 
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Straw Man on December 10, 2011, 12:11:43 PM
No way.   There is still some time left to save us. 

well if the majority of the voters want Obama to continue collapsing the nation then you're just gong to have to live with it or move away

Given your political beliefs you will do well in China and should seriously look into moving there after the election
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 10, 2011, 12:18:21 PM
well if the majority of the voters want Obama to continue collapsing the nation then you're just gong to have to live with it or move away

Given your political beliefs you will do well in China and should seriously look into moving there after the election

I posted the story.   Record numbers are fleeing Obamas economy.
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Straw Man on December 10, 2011, 12:20:45 PM
I posted the story.   Record numbers are fleeing Obamas economy.

no idea what you're referring to but you should join in and flee as well

Somalia is nice this time of year and you won't have to worry about anyone exercising their right to vote
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: LurkerNoMore on December 12, 2011, 05:09:27 AM
I posted the story.   Record numbers are fleeing Obamas economy.

Prove it sissy boy.

Show me the statistics of US expats in the last year.
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 06, 2012, 08:31:21 PM
Bump.    More relevant than ever. 
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 26, 2012, 02:28:10 PM
Bump for Team kneepad to explain obama telling Russia that he needs space to lie to us now so he can win and then sell us out after the election. 
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 02, 2012, 11:59:36 AM
 :D
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: whork on July 03, 2012, 03:20:37 AM
They haven't mad it their life's work to collapse America.  Big difference.

They are working a lot harder than Obama to destroy america and so are you.

Palin/Cain as pres? Please
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: whork on July 03, 2012, 03:21:31 AM
Bump for Team kneepad to explain obama telling Russia that he needs space to lie to us now so he can win and then sell us out after the election. 

And what exactly do you think it means, Yoda?
Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 24, 2012, 05:28:57 AM
Obama Phone Lady? 

Title: Re: This is the real danger to America in 2008 & 2012
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 24, 2012, 05:33:40 AM
The Obama Watch

The Liar President

By Peter Ferrara on 10.24.12 @ 6:08AM




Yet there he was, telling the world Mr. Romney's pants were on fire.

Dorothy Rabinowitz, one of the best writers of our time, encapsulated the Obama Presidency perfectly in Monday's Wall Street Journal. She wrote:
 

In the 1967 film "A Guide for the Married Man," a husband, played by a peerless Walter Matthau, is given lessons in ways to cheat on his wife safely: "Deny! Deny! Deny!" -- no matter what. In an instructive scene, he's shown a wife undone by shock, and screaming, with good reason: She has just walked in on her husband making love to a glamorous stranger. "What are you doing," she wails, "who is that woman?" "What woman, where?" the husband serenely counters, as he and the tart in question get out of bed and calmly dress.
 
So the scene proceeds, with the distraught wife pointing to the woman she clearly sees before her, while her husband, unruffled, continues to look blankly at her, asking, "What woman?" Confused by her spouse's unblinking assurance, she gives up. Two minutes later she's asking him what he'd like for dinner.
 
That is the Obama White House communications strategy exactly. I don't want to call the President a liar. I have used the term "Calculated Deception" many times before to describe it. But now it has come to the point where history will remember him as "the Liar President." That is not my fault. I am only discussing reality.
 
Dereliction of Duty
 We can see this in the debates. In the second debate, he told the American people with a straight face that he had confessed the very next day in the Rose Garden that the murder of the Libyan ambassador and four other Americans in Benghazi was a terrorist attack. Obama told the American people, with his straight Walther Matthau face, "The day after the attack, Governor, I stood in the Rose Garden and I told the American people in the world that we are going to find out exactly what happened. That this was an act of terror and I also said that we're going to hunt down those who committed this crime."
 
But the truth is that the State Department, the CIA, and the White House itself all had access to real time video of exactly what happened. No doubt as word spread as to what was happening, the top levels of the Administration all tuned into the events, watching them all unfold in real time. So why is he telling us in the debate that "we are going to find out exactly what happened?" Intelligence made a full report within 24 hours.
 
An incredulous Mitt Romney exclaimed, "I think [it's] interesting the President just said something which -- which is that on the day after the attack he went into the Rose Garden and said this was an act of terror." "That's what I said," Obama lied in response. Romney seeing the discrepancy with reality, noted "I want to make sure we get that for the record because it took the President 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of terror." Obama replied, "Get the transcript."
 
Then, as if in a pre-arranged ambush, the supposed moderator "Candy" Crowley piped up and said to Romney "He did in fact, sir." To further demonstrate his mastery over the Democrat party-controlled media, Obama ordered live in the debate for every American to see, "Can you say that a little louder, Candy?" Crowley stood at attention and reported "He did call it an act of terror."
 
The reason this was so obviously pre-arranged is that the transcript in fact does not back up what Obama fantasized and Crowley "reported." The transcript shows Obama mentioned terrorism in regard to 9/11, not Benghazi. Talk about calculated deception!
 
It took Romney alone among the three to correct the record, saying, "The Administration indicated this was a reaction to a video and was a spontaneous reaction…. It took them a long time to say this was a terrorist act by a terrorist group."
 
Obama interrupted, appealing for a further bailout, by his plant, "Candy?" But Romney cut off his interruption, "Excuse me. The ambassador of the United Nations went on the Sunday television shows and spoke about how this was a spontaneous…" But Obama interrupted again to appeal for help, "Candy, I'm happy to have a longer conversation about foreign policy." Crowley took her cue again, "I know you, absolutely, but I want to move you on…." For the first time honestly, a relieved Obama said, "OK. I'm happy to do that too."
 
We all saw for 14 days with our own eyes not only Obama but his whole Administration perpetuating the fairy tale that the Benghazi murders were all due to some amateur 14 minute film trailer on YouTube, just as Matthau's wife in the movie saw him in bed with another woman. We saw Obama's UN Ambassador Susan Rice repeat this myth on five Sunday talk shows almost a week after the event. We saw Obama at the UN telling the whole world that the attack was a spontaneous reaction to a previously unknown amateur video.
 
Obama continued his prevarication on this tragedy in the third debate Monday, saying about the Benghazi murders, "With respect to Libya, as I indicated in the last debate, when we received that phone call, I immediately made sure that, number one, we did everything we could to secure those Americans still in harm's way…." We could use the White House phone logs on that one. Because while the attack that culminated in the murder of Ambassador Chris Stevens went on for hours, the U.S. Air Force was just one hour flight time away, in Sicily. But it was apparently too much to rouse them for a rescue, attacking and scattering the terrorist attackers.
 
Moreover, whatever President Obama did order in response, it was not only way too little, but way too late, because the Administration had been receiving requests from the Ambassador for additional security in an increasingly dangerous environment since February. But the requests were denied. Even on the anniversary of 9/11, when the heightened danger should have been obvious, no additional security was provided. Obama and the liberal softies in his Administration did not want to offend Muslim sensibilities with additional show of force. That is why the American guards were denied even ammunition for their guns, and the Administration was relying on Libyan security, even when Ambassador Stevens had reported that government security forces were outmanned and outgunned by the Islamist extremists.
 
Ambassador Stevens and the Marines and other American personnel killed with him volunteered to serve their country. They did not volunteer to be abandoned and murdered. President Obama's failure to provide the requested security, or roust available U.S. forces for a rescue, can only be described as dereliction of duty.
 
Unilateral Disarmament
In Monday's debate, President Obama says that Governor Romney "wants to spend another $2 trillion on military spending that our military's not asking for." But the leaders of the military he is talking about serve at his pleasure, or may even have been appointed by him.
 
Romney again corrected the record, saying the under Obama's defense policies our Navy will be "smaller than any time since 1917. The Navy said they needed 313 ships to carry out their mission. We're now down to 285. We're headed down to the low 200s if we go through with sequestration." Moreover, under Obama's policies our Air Force will be "older and smaller than any time since it was founded in 1947." In addition, "Since FDR…we've always had the strategy of saying we could fight in two conflicts at once. Now we're changing to one conflict." The problem with only being able to fight in one conflict at a time is that once America is embroiled in a conflict, it is vulnerable to attack on a second front from anyone else. That is why that policy has not been followed since America became a superpower.
 
But Obama countered:
 

You mentioned the Navy, for example, and that we have fewer ships than we did in 1916. Well, Governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets because the nature of our military's changed. We have these things called aircraft carriers where planes land on them. We have these ships that go underwater, nuclear submarines. And so the question is not a game of Battleship where we're counting ships. It's what are our capabilities.
 
Notice that Obama here did not deny that our Navy under his policies is down to the lowest level since 1916. But he fails to see that Navy ships do not hold the status in today's military of horses and bayonets. Under his policies, moreover, we will have fewer aircraft carriers as well.
 
The military does not want any more ships than we had in 1916? That is not what both of Obama's Secretaries of Defense have said. They both said that Obama's defense cuts would be devastating to our nation's defenses. That goes for an Air Force that is older and smaller than at any time since our Air Force was founded in 1947.
 
But even more scary is President Obama's plans for unilateral nuclear disarmament. Most people do not know that President Obama has asked the Pentagon for plans to cut America's remaining nuclear deterrent by up to 80%. I say remaining because that is from what is left after President Obama's disastrous nuclear arms treaty with Russia last year.
 
Obama is the one who is stuck in a Cold War mentality, still negotiating arms deals with the Russians as if we were still in a bipolar world. Under Obama's New Start Treaty with Russia, America's nuclear forces are slashed to 1500 warheads, with essentially no cuts from Russia in return, because after the Soviet Union's collapse and disintegration, it cannot maintain nuclear forces even close to the limits allowed. What was smart about that? Another cut of 80% would reduce total warheads to 300, little more than Great Britain.
 
But that is in a context where Russia is not the only potential foe that we must deter. China is rapidly developing a more modern nuclear force. Proliferation is spreading from Pakistan to North Korea to Iran. Once Iran gets a nuclear weapon, we can expect Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and probably Egypt will as well. Even Russia is rapidly modernizing a threatening nuclear force.
 
Moreover, with just 300 warheads left, are we enticing a first strike to remove the remaining nuclear assets? Our nuclear strategy has always been based on the Triad concept, with nuclear forces on land on missiles, at sea on ships, and in the air through aircraft bombers. But just 300 warheads can be deployed on just 30 missiles with modern, multiple warhead technology.
 
Reagan gave us Peace through Strength. War threatens America with War through Weakness. Indeed, what exactly did Obama mean when he told former Russian Prime Minister Dmitri Medvedev to tell Russian strongman Vladimir Putin that he would have more flexibility after the election? Is that why Putin has endorsed Obama for re-election?
 
You Didn't Build That
 In the debates, Obama has repeatedly bragged that under his leadership America has increased production of oil and natural gas to record levels, while "we've cut our oil imports to the lowest level in two decades." But Romney pointed out that the oil and gas production gains had nothing to do with Obama's energy policies, which had aimed at just the opposite results. Those gains all came on state and local lands, where Obama's policies could not stop them.
 
Romney charged in the second debate, "In the last four years, you cut permits and licenses on federal lands and waters in half." "Not true Governor Romney. The production is up," Obama replied. Romney responded, "Production on government land of oil is down 14%, and production of gas is down 9%." Romney here was just citing accurately official U.S. government statistics from Obama's own Administration. But that did not stop Obama from saying in response, before the whole nation, "What you're saying is just not true. It's just not true."
 
What else can be said about this dishonorable display of dishonesty before the American people, other than that Obama is The Liar President. As the Wall Street Journal said on October 18:
 

The problem for the President is that a government outfit called the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) compiles these statistics. That's where Romney got his accurate figures on oil and gas production on government land and permitting in Obama's first term. The EIA also reports that total fossil fuel production in public areas -- oil, gas and coal -- has plunged to a nine year low, to 18.6 quadrillion BTUs, from 21.2 quadrillion in 2003.
 
The real problem is not President Obama. It is his supporters and contributors who are willing to blindly support this dishonesty, after four years of accelerating decline and failure, which will only continue in the second term. Obama is Marxist royalty by heritage, born and bred. Check the public record. Under his leadership, the Democrat party has become a Marxist party as well. Is that what a majority of Americans want? Despite the lies, so well supported by the Democrat-controlled media, the American people seem to be waking from their dangerous slumber.