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Title: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 21, 2010, 02:52:36 PM
America takes its first step into becoming a 3rd world country!


next on the ajenda : smart students required to give up 10% points to the stupid ones so they can pass also...its their right  >:(


score 1 for panhandling!
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Post by: JimmyJam1974 on March 21, 2010, 02:54:09 PM
Beginning of the end
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Post by: AC Slater on March 21, 2010, 02:58:54 PM
liberal f.aggots ruining this country.

the religious fanatic conservatives arent much better though.
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Post by: chaos on March 21, 2010, 02:59:58 PM
LMAO at the douches that voted for a black President. ;D
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Post by: G_Thang on March 21, 2010, 03:04:00 PM
plenty of countries with successful partially free healthcare systems.  all people deserve the best life can offer.



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 :)
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Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 21, 2010, 03:14:32 PM
plenty of countries with successful partially free healthcare systems.  all people deserve the best life can offer.



work less, be lazy...be a dumbfuck and get everything for free...

NOT America
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Post by: 240 is Back on March 21, 2010, 03:17:39 PM
In elementary school IQ tests now for Gifted entrance, you get FIFTEEN extra points for being poor.

So, a poor kid with a 115 IQ will take the slot of a middle class kid with an 129 IQ.
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Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 21, 2010, 03:20:50 PM
In elementary school IQ tests now for Gifted entrance, you get FIFTEEN extra points for being poor.



WHAT????????????  >:(
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: Mr Nobody on March 21, 2010, 03:27:37 PM
America takes its first step into becoming a 3rd world country!


next on the ajenda : smart students required to give up 10% points to the stupid ones so they can pass also...its their right  >:(


score 1 for panhandling!
Another Obama reform I assume  ::)
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Post by: jtsunami on March 21, 2010, 03:32:54 PM
America takes its first step into becoming a 3rd world country!


next on the ajenda : smart students required to give up 10% points to the stupid ones so they can pass also...its their right  >:(


score 1 for panhandling!

don't like it get the fuck out
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Post by: Parker on March 21, 2010, 03:45:00 PM
In elementary school IQ tests now for Gifted entrance, you get FIFTEEN extra points for being poor.

So, a poor kid with a 115 IQ will take the slot of a middle class kid with an 129 IQ.
In elementary school (2nd grade) my math teacher wanted to put me in the below average because I hated math. By 6th grade (still elementary I tested  and wanted to put me in Gifted and Talented, and I still hated math ::) I think there was another reason why she wanted me in below average, the chocolate spot could actually "fit" in there...

By the way Toxie, most of that bill had it's teeth taken out.
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Post by: che on March 21, 2010, 03:49:49 PM
America takes its first step into becoming a 3rd world country!


next on the ajenda : smart students required to give up 10% points to the stupid ones so they can pass also...its their right  >:(


score 1 for panhandling!

Great news
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Post by: G_Thang on March 21, 2010, 03:56:29 PM
work less, be lazy...be a dumbfuck and get everything for free...

NOT America

 ???

dad baker - retired
mom LPN - retired
older sis  RN ~15yrs
mid sis CS ~10yrs
me Ph.D. (Phar Science in progress) - check divcom acct
young sis LPN but priceless (AMEX)

the american lie that people from limited means and less wealthier nations are lazy n stupid.  seriously...the world thinks americans are fat n lazy.  how many americans willing to work for $268USD mthly 6 days a week/12-14hrs per day.

obama is a good man.  plenty of countries would kill americans to get him.  ;D

 (http://tommyimages.com/Stock_Photos/Caribbean/Cuba/Cuban_Women/slides/Cuba_2335-Cuban_Woman.jpg)


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Post by: chaos on March 21, 2010, 03:59:00 PM
   how many americans willing to work for $268USD mthly 6 days a week/12-14hrs per day.





The Mexicans we hire do it all the time. ::)
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Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 21, 2010, 04:02:47 PM
don't like it get the fuck out

if i got out whose is gonna pay for you to have healthcare and welfare?
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Post by: G_Thang on March 21, 2010, 04:03:32 PM
The Mexicans we hire do it all the time. ::)

so in 2050 when 50% of americans are mexican you wont come on this site n bi#ch?
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Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 21, 2010, 04:04:56 PM

the american lie that people from limited means and less wealthier nations are lazy n stupid[/img]




noo..never said that...this is stricly an american debate..

i as an american think that if u live in the land of opportunity and still are soo lazy that u want shit for free...then u r pathetic
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: lastrep on March 21, 2010, 04:06:26 PM
America takes its first step into becoming a 3rd world country!


next on the ajenda : smart students required to give up 10% points to the stupid ones so they can pass also...its their right  >:(


score 1 for panhandling!

Moron.. I guess Canada along with Europe are 3rd world countries as well.
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: chaos on March 21, 2010, 04:07:27 PM
so in 2050 when 50% of americans are mexican you wont come on this site n bi#ch?
If they aren't getting my tax dollars to pay for their cockroach riddin apartments and 16 kids under the age of 5, then no, I won't complain.
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: G_Thang on March 21, 2010, 04:08:06 PM
noo..never said that...this is stricly an american debate..

i as an american think that if u live in the land of opportunity and still are soo lazy that u want shit for free...then u r pathetic

ok...so you dont believe ALL innocent american children are entitled to basic FREE r partially paid hlthcare by those lazy people who hire mexicans for 269USD per month?  i guess kids arent the future anymore.  
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Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 21, 2010, 04:08:37 PM
In elementary school (2nd grade) my math teacher wanted to put me in the below average because I hated math. By 6th grade (still elementary I tested  and wanted to put me in Gifted and Talented, and I still hated math ::) I think there was another reason why she wanted me in below average, the chocolate spot could actually "fit" in there...

By the way Toxie, most of that bill had it's teeth taken out.
in my high school...there ws no gifted or stupid program....there ws just math class and you didn't move up grades untill you passed EVERY subject with a minimum C on the finals.

so if u were not willing to work hard..you were fucked...
1) you had your parents for an extra yr in school...not cheap
2) you could potentially be 16 and still be in the 8th grade
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 21, 2010, 04:10:47 PM
ok...so you dont believe ALL innocent american children are entitled to basic FREE r partially paid hlthcare

IF THE PARENTS OF THOSE INNOCENT AMERICAN CHILDREN DIDN'T CARE TO WORK HARD ENOUGH TO AFFORD HEALTH CARE....WHY THE FUCK WOULD I CARE?
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Post by: chaos on March 21, 2010, 04:11:35 PM
ok...so you dont believe ALL innocent american children are entitled to basic FREE r partially paid hlthcare by those lazy people who hire mexicans for 269USD per month?  i guess kids arent the future anymore.  
Since most of those "innocent American children" belong to illegal immigrants here to work for 269/month, the only future they are is gang banging and raping innocent people, or mowing yards and standing in front of Home Depot.
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Post by: Method101 on March 21, 2010, 04:11:43 PM
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Post by: che on March 21, 2010, 04:15:23 PM
IF THE PARENTS OF THOSE INNOCENT AMERICAN CHILDREN DIDN'T CARE TO WORK HARD ENOUGH TO AFFORD HEALTH CARE....WHY THE FUCK WOULD I CARE?

Hahhaa,you are retarded .
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Post by: G_Thang on March 21, 2010, 04:15:38 PM
as other poster noted canada and europe have excellent hlthcare models n they are considered 1st world.


considered - euro got alotta sh$t holes too like the world south of the states.  

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Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 21, 2010, 04:17:57 PM
as other poster noted canada and europe have excellent hlthcare models n they are considered 1st world.


considered - euro got alotta sh$t holes too like the world south of the states.  



hey if you keep bringing up canada and europe so much you must really like it there..

i suggest you relocate instead of trying to make this canada and europe...
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Post by: G_Thang on March 21, 2010, 04:24:00 PM
hey if you keep bringing up canada and europe so much you must really like it there..

i suggest you relocate instead of trying to make this canada and europe...

i noted, didn't state.  say that to guy that did.
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Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 21, 2010, 04:26:12 PM
i noted, didn't state.  say that to guy that did.

well reiterating it is an assumption of agreement  :-\
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Post by: Coach is Back! on March 21, 2010, 04:50:51 PM
Why was this thread started, they haven't voted yet.
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 21, 2010, 04:59:55 PM
as other poster noted canada and europe have excellent hlthcare models n they are considered 1st world.


considered - euro got alotta sh$t holes too like the world south of the states.  



Thats why people from those countries come here to get treated?
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Post by: jtsunami on March 21, 2010, 05:10:15 PM
hey if you keep bringing up canada and europe so much you must really like it there..

i suggest you relocate instead of trying to make this canada and europe...

wait weren't you just saying you will relocate  ;D  Where are you going to move, an elitist country that spits on the poor and only cares about the wealthy? 
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Post by: che on March 21, 2010, 05:11:36 PM
Thats why people from those countries come here to get treated?

Like ?
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Post by: Fatpanda on March 21, 2010, 05:14:30 PM
Great news

x2

god bless america.
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Post by: Coach is Back! on March 21, 2010, 05:15:43 PM
Like ?

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/759760

Want more?
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Post by: ShipSekki on March 21, 2010, 05:16:00 PM
America takes its first step into becoming a 3rd world country!


next on the ajenda : smart students required to give up 10% points to the stupid ones so they can pass also...its their right  >:(


score 1 for panhandling!

 You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

 The USA is just catching up with the rest of the civilized world with their system. If we don't change it, it is going to drag the US economy into the shitter. Right now the health care system is mostly based on profiteerting by insurance companies and they are the ones lobbying to keep it the same.

 American people can often be so fucking stupid about politics and economics. No offense. But most people just turn everything into a shit for brains liberal vs. conservative arguement instead of just using logic. While the rest of the world laughs at us and calls us "stupid Americans". It's unfortunate but true.
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Post by: Natural Man on March 21, 2010, 05:16:58 PM
the process of merging the middle and poor social classes of the third world (south) with the occidental / northern ones is going just well.


(http://www.fuckfrance.com/images/i216/187076.517globalizationhumanso.jpg)


occidental elites are happy, they going to make more money, as is the third world 's population.

Who's the biggest loser?

Who's going to live with the third world settled in his neighborhood, a third world that dont want to integrate/assimilate, but wants to re-create his community into his host country?

You guess.


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Post by: che on March 21, 2010, 05:19:04 PM
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/759760

Want more?
1 person  ::)
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/03/08/palin-canada-travel/
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/12/20/world/americans-filching-free-health-care-in-canada.html?pagewanted=1

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Post by: Natural Man on March 21, 2010, 05:20:33 PM
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

 The USA is just catching up with the rest of the civilized world with their system. If we don't change it, it is going to drag the US economy into the shitter. Right now the health care system is mostly based on profiteerting by insurance companies and they are the ones lobbying to keep it the same.

 American people can often be so fucking stupid about politics and economics. No offense. But most people just turn everything into a shit for brains liberal vs. conservative arguement instead of just using logic. While the rest of the world laughs at us and calls us "stupid Americans". It's unfortunate but true.
I come from europe, from france. All european countries are about to collapse due to the huge strain of the immigrants on healthcare systems. You re out of your mind. You are th one who has no clue what he's talking about.
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Post by: jtsunami on March 21, 2010, 05:24:06 PM
I come from europe, from france. All european countries are about to collapse due to the huge strain of the immigrants on healthcare systems. You re out of your mind. You are th one who has no clue what he's talking about.

care to back that up with facts?  The USA already collapsed anyhow.

 
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Post by: Coach is Back! on March 21, 2010, 05:24:28 PM
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

 The USA is just catching up with the rest of the civilized world with their system. If we don't change it, it is going to drag the US economy into the shitter. Right now the health care system is mostly based on profiteerting by insurance companies and they are the ones lobbying to keep it the same.

 American people can often be so fucking stupid about politics and economics. No offense. But most people just turn everything into a shit for brains liberal vs. conservative arguement instead of just using logic. While the rest of the world laughs at us and calls us "stupid Americans". It's unfortunate but true.

UK is already in the shitter, it took just a little over a year for this tool to rank us right up there. Damn near every liberal policy that Obama has tried has failed and now he's he's fucking 1/6 of our economy. He is a communist (no, I'm not exaggerating) he's trying to push his agenda on people who don't even want this shit. Every poll imaginable says the people don't want this, his approval rating is 43%.......yet he doesn't care or listen. You watch, this is the beginning, it will get MUCH worse. He works for us, we don't work for him.
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Post by: Fatpanda on March 21, 2010, 05:27:31 PM
UK is already in the shitter, it took just a little over a year for this tool to rank us right up there. Damn near every liberal policy that Obama has tried has failed and now he's he's fucking 1/6 of our economy. He is a communist (no, I'm not exaggerating) he's trying to push his agenda on people who don't even want this shit. Every poll imaginable says the people don't want this, his approval rating is 43%.......yet he doesn't care or listen. You watch, this is the beginning, it will get MUCH worse. He works for us, we don't work for him.

stop being brainwashed - britain has had national health care for a long time and we are not communist.  ::)
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Post by: Coach is Back! on March 21, 2010, 05:29:23 PM
1 person  ::)
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/03/08/palin-canada-travel/
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/12/20/world/americans-filching-free-health-care-in-canada.html?pagewanted=1



http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healthcare/cansurgery4.html

http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healthcare/canuglytruth.html

http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healthcare/cancancer.html

http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healthcare/canage.html


I have a ton more.
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Post by: The Showstoppa on March 21, 2010, 05:30:04 PM
stop being brainwashed - britain has had national health care for a long time and we are not communist.  ::)

Do dentists come under that national health care in britain?  If so.....no thanks.
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Post by: Coach is Back! on March 21, 2010, 05:31:26 PM
stop being brainwashed - britain has had national health care for a long time and we are not communist.  ::)

Your health care is fucked up and you're paying out the ass for it!
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Post by: ShipSekki on March 21, 2010, 05:31:35 PM
UK is already in the shitter, it took just a little over a year for this tool to rank us right up there. Damn near every liberal policy that Obama has tried has failed and now he's he's fucking 1/6 of our economy. He is a communist (no, I'm not exaggerating) he's trying to push his agenda on people who don't even want this shit. Every poll imaginable says the people don't want this, his approval rating is 43%.......yet he doesn't care or listen. You watch, this is the beginning, it will get MUCH worse. He works for us, we don't work for him.

 Obama is no Communist, Obama is just as moderate as the rest of them. If he truely was a Communist he would get JFK'ed really fast.

 This is not Obama's agenda. The Republicans are in on it too. All the political argueing and debating you see is a fake spectacle. That's how politics works 99% of the time. All the politicians agree on an agenda behind closed doors. And all the argueing and politicking that the public sees is straight up acting.
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Post by: G_Thang on March 21, 2010, 05:32:14 PM
the process of merging the middle and poor social classes of the third world (south) with the occidental / northern ones is going just well.


(http://www.fuckfrance.com/images/i216/187076.517globalizationhumanso.jpg)


occidental elites are happy, they going to make more money, as is the third world 's population.

Who's the biggest loser?

Who's going to live with the third world settled in his neighborhood, a third world that dont want to integrate/assimilate, but wants to re-create his community into his host country?

You guess.




the process does work with minimal violence and civil unrest.  i figure using the economic resources of north america it can be perfected where rich, middle n poor can live in hormany inches apart with free - partially paid hlthcare for all.  by 2035 the states will have a large enough poor n working class mexican population to perfect it.  obivously...the larger middle "so called" class which is up to its' neck in credit, mortgage n loan debts, will pick up most of the bill.  

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_a1kmsbz9T8I/S1TxS_-8u2I/AAAAAAAAK9o/rJxLAChHL3Q/s800/rich-poor-border.jpg)
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Post by: Fatpanda on March 21, 2010, 05:32:40 PM
Do dentists come under that national health care in britain?  If so.....no thanks.

sort of, if unemployed etc you get free dental.

if you are working you get discount costs, but still pay.
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Post by: jtsunami on March 21, 2010, 05:33:10 PM
UK is already in the shitter, it took just a little over a year for this tool to rank us right up there. Damn near every liberal policy that Obama has tried has failed and now he's he's fucking 1/6 of our economy. He is a communist (no, I'm not exaggerating) he's trying to push his agenda on people who don't even want this shit. Every poll imaginable says the people don't want this, his approval rating is 43%.......yet he doesn't care or listen. You watch, this is the beginning, it will get MUCH worse. He works for us, we don't work for him.

lol stop listening to Rush and all those other whack jobs and you will become much more sane.  The US was in the shitter when George W was in office and thank to him we are living the repercussions of his stupid actions.  Obama is here to save the country from the downward spiral the Republican did in office in 8 years almost ruined the USA completely!  

ALL HAIL OBAMA OUR SAVIOR, he really needs to be added to the national anthem, seriously saving this country from disappearing and being taken over.
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Post by: Fatpanda on March 21, 2010, 05:34:46 PM
Your health care is fucked up and you're paying out the ass for it!

maybe if you are healthy you pay more than you should, but if you are ever seriously sick like cancer, aids etc everything is free.

in america it would be so expensive you'd be fucked - never mind the insurance companies that refuse to pay for it because of clauses etc

i've seen that michael moore film  :o
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Post by: Coach is Back! on March 21, 2010, 05:35:25 PM
stop being brainwashed - britain has had national health care for a long time and we are not communist.  ::)


http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healthcare/ukkidney.html

http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healthcare/ukheartop.html

http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healthcare/ukfalls2.html

I have more...just say the word.
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Post by: jtsunami on March 21, 2010, 05:36:35 PM
maybe if you are healthy you pay more than you should, but if you are ever seriously sick like cancer, aids etc everything is free.

in america it would be so expensive you'd be fucked - never mind the insurance companies that refuse to pay for it because of clauses etc

i've seen that michael moore film  :o

panda it is no hope, he has been brainwashed by the conservative talk show hosts and right wing media outlets.  There is no reasoning with him.

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Post by: Fatpanda on March 21, 2010, 05:37:11 PM

http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healthcare/ukkidney.html

http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healthcare/ukheartop.html

http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healthcare/ukfalls2.html

I have more...just say the word.

look at the source coach  :-\
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Post by: The Showstoppa on March 21, 2010, 05:37:45 PM
panda it is no hope, he has been brainwashed by the conservative talk show hosts and right wing media outlets.  There is no reasoning with him.



We know why you support it.....the inevitable raging case of butt-flu that you either have or are destined to contract.
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Post by: Coach is Back! on March 21, 2010, 05:38:11 PM
Obama is no Communist, Obama is just as moderate as the rest of them. If he truely was a Communist he would get JFK'ed really fast.

 This is not Obama's agenda. The Republicans are in on it too. All the political argueing and debating you see is a fake spectacle. That's how politics works 99% of the time. All the politicians agree on an agenda behind closed doors. And all the argueing and politicking that the public sees is straight up acting.

He has more protection than any other President to date! And yes he is, oh of course he's not going to admit it but his history, teachings and reading say otherwise.
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Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 21, 2010, 05:38:14 PM
wait weren't you just saying you will relocate  ;D  Where are you going to move, an elitist country that spits on the poor and only cares about the wealthy? 

i was gonna move?  cool! didn't know

no..just a country that rewards capitalism and hard work not laziness where people expect the govt to solve all their problems all the while handing their freedoms over....wait thats supposed to be America right?
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: Fatpanda on March 21, 2010, 05:39:29 PM
panda it is no hope, he has been brainwashed by the conservative talk show hosts and right wing media outlets.  There is no reasoning with him.



i fear you are correct. i have noticed this overwhelming opposition to national health care in america and i believe it is completely founded on years of anti communist teachings.

the nhs in the uk is not perfect - but it has a hell of a lot more positives than negatives.

and beats the hell out of the current us system.
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Post by: che on March 21, 2010, 05:39:52 PM

http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healthcare/ukkidney.html

http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healthcare/ukheartop.html

http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healthcare/ukfalls2.html

I have more...just say the word.
::) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/13/americans-seek-cheaper-he_n_259003.html
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 21, 2010, 05:40:15 PM
. Right now the health care system is mostly based on profiteerting by insurance companies and they are the ones lobbying to keep it the same.

.

oo nooo someones running a successful business...how dare they
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 21, 2010, 05:41:00 PM
i fear you are correct. i have noticed this overwhelming opposition to national health care in america and i believe it is completely founded on years of anti communist teachings.

the nhs in the uk is not perfect - but it has a hell of a lot more positives than negatives.

and beats the hell out of the current us system.

He's 19, doesn't have a job or pay taxes. He lives off his parents, how is he correct about anything political?
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 21, 2010, 05:41:18 PM



occidental elites are happy, they going to make more money, as is the third world 's population.

Who's the biggest loser?

Who's going to live with the third world settled in his neighborhood, a third world that dont want to integrate/assimilate, but wants to re-create his community into his host country?

You guess.



 BINGO!
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 21, 2010, 05:43:02 PM
UK is already in the shitter, it took just a little over a year for this tool to rank us right up there. Damn near every liberal policy that Obama has tried has failed and now he's he's fucking 1/6 of our economy. He is a communist (no, I'm not exaggerating) he's trying to push his agenda on people who don't even want this shit. Every poll imaginable says the people don't want this, his approval rating is 43%.......yet he doesn't care or listen. You watch, this is the beginning, it will get MUCH worse. He works for us, we don't work for him.

he's not a communist..he's not a socialist...he is the bringer of "diversity"  ::)
these asswipes keep changing the name and the dumbfucks keep falling for it...
its communism...you r dead on
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: che on March 21, 2010, 05:43:19 PM
He's 19, doesn't have a job or pay taxes. He lives off his parents, how is he correct about anything political?

 ::) http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/072807dninthospitals.36608c1.html
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: ShipSekki on March 21, 2010, 05:43:27 PM
He has more protection than any other President to date! And yes he is, oh of course he's not going to admit it but his history, teachings and reading say otherwise.

 It's all a big act. That's the bottom line. Obama is a puppet, and his whole entire persona, personal history and political perspective is just a character being portrayed and used.

 If you read enough books written by politicians and ex CIA agents you realize that everything politicians do in the public eye is an act and they are all puppets for the world's richest people. Do you really think they would just randomly battle like they are portrayed to be doing?
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: Fatpanda on March 21, 2010, 05:43:42 PM
He's 19, doesn't have a job or pay taxes. He lives off his parents, how is he correct about anything political?

he was correct about you being brainwashed by right wing capitalist indoctrination.
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: jtsunami on March 21, 2010, 05:44:16 PM
He's 19, doesn't have a job or pay taxes. He lives off his parents, how is he correct about anything political?

wtf how did you get this info   >:(
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: ShipSekki on March 21, 2010, 05:45:54 PM
oo nooo someones running a successful business...how dare they

 Nothing wrong with a successful business.

 But when the business is profitting off of pople getting sick and dying, that's the problem. ANd when it is monopolized to tis extent, it's very dangerous.

 Don't you understand that? This is HEALTH CARE, this isn't a clothes company or a coffee shop chain.
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: jtsunami on March 21, 2010, 05:48:10 PM
Nothing wrong with a successful business.

 But when the business is profitting off of pople getting sick and dying, that's the problem. ANd when it is monopolized to tis extent, it's very dangerous.

 Don't you understand that? This is HEALTH CARE, this isn't a clothes company or a coffee shop chain.

x2 good post
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 21, 2010, 05:51:49 PM
Obama is no Communist, Obama is just as moderate as the rest of them. If he truely was a Communist he would get JFK'ed really fast.

 This is not Obama's agenda. The Republicans are in on it too. All the political argueing and debating you see is a fake spectacle. That's how politics works 99% of the time. All the politicians agree on an agenda behind closed doors. And all the argueing and politicking that the public sees is straight up acting.


Obama’s Communist Mentor

AIM Column  |  By Cliff Kincaid  |  February 18, 2008

Is “coalition politics” at work in Obama’s rise to power?

In his biography of Barack Obama, David Mendell writes about Obama's life as a "secret smoker" and how he "went to great lengths to conceal the habit." But what about Obama's secret political life? It turns out that Obama's childhood mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, was a communist.

In his books, Obama admits attending "socialist conferences" and coming into contact with Marxist literature. But he ridicules the charge of being a "hard-core academic Marxist," which was made by his colorful and outspoken 2004 U.S. Senate opponent, Republican Alan Keyes.

However, through Frank Marshall Davis, Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where, at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son, with Davis, listening to his "poetry" and getting advice on his career path. But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him repeatedly as just "Frank."

The reason is apparent: Davis was a known communist who belonged to a party subservient to the Soviet Union. In fact, the 1951 report of the Commission on Subversive Activities to the Legislature of the Territory of Hawaii identified him as a CPUSA member. What's more, anti-communist congressional committees, including the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC), accused Davis of involvement in several communist-front organizations. 

Trevor Loudon, a New Zealand-based libertarian activist, researcher and blogger, noted evidence that "Frank" was Frank Marshall Davis in a posting in March of 2007.

Obama's communist connection adds to mounting public concern about a candidate who has come out of virtually nowhere, with a brief U.S. Senate legislative record, to become the Democratic Party frontrunner for the U.S. presidency. In the latest Real Clear Politics poll average, Obama beats Republican John McCain by almost four percentage points.

AIM recently disclosed that Obama has well-documented socialist connections, which help explain why he sponsored a "Global Poverty Act" designed to send hundreds of billions of dollars of U.S. foreign aid to the rest of the world, in order to meet U.N. demands. The bill has passed the House and a Senate committee, and awaits full Senate action.

But the Communist Party connection through Davis is even more ominous. Decades ago, the CPUSA had tens of thousands of members, some of them covert agents who had penetrated the U.S. Government. It received secret subsidies from the old Soviet Union.

You won't find any of this discussed in the David Mendell book, Obama: From Promise to Power. It is typical of the superficial biographies of Obama now on the market. Secret smoking seems to be Obama's most controversial activity. At best, Mendell and the liberal media describe Obama as "left-leaning."

But you will find it briefly discussed, sort of, in Obama's own book, Dreams From My Father. He writes about "a poet named Frank," who visited them in Hawaii, read poetry, and was full of "hard-earned knowledge" and advice. Who was Frank? Obama only says that he had "some modest notoriety once," was "a contemporary of Richard Wright and Langston Hughes during his years in Chicago..." but was now "pushing eighty." He writes about "Frank and his old Black Power dashiki self" giving him advice before he left for Occidental College in 1979 at the age of 18.

This "Frank" is none other than Frank Marshall Davis, the black communist writer now considered by some to be in the same category of prominence as Maya Angelou and Alice Walker. In the summer/fall 2003 issue of African American Review, James A. Miller of George Washington University reviews a book by John Edgar Tidwell, a professor at the University of Kansas, about Davis's career, and notes, "In Davis's case, his political commitments led him to join the American Communist Party during the middle of World War II-even though he never publicly admitted his Party membership." Tidwell is an expert on the life and writings of Davis.

Is it possible that Obama did not know who Davis was when he wrote his book, Dreams From My Father, first published in 1995? That's not plausible since Obama refers to him as a contemporary of Richard Wright and Langston Hughes and says he saw a book of his black poetry.

The communists knew who "Frank" was, and they know who Obama is. In fact, one academic who travels in communist circles understands the significance of the Davis-Obama relationship.

Professor Gerald Horne, a contributing editor of the Communist Party journal Political Affairs, talked about it during a speech last March at the reception of the Communist Party USA archives at the Tamiment Library at New York University. The remarks are posted online under the headline, "Rethinking the History and Future of the Communist Party."

Horne, a history professor at the University of Houston, noted that Davis, who moved to Honolulu from Kansas in 1948 "at the suggestion of his good friend Paul Robeson," came into contact with Barack Obama and his family and became the young man's mentor, influencing Obama's sense of identity and career moves. Robeson, of course, was the well-known black actor and singer who served as a member of the CPUSA and apologist for the old Soviet Union. Davis had known Robeson from his time in Chicago.

As Horne describes it, Davis "befriended" a "Euro-American family" that had "migrated to Honolulu from Kansas and a young woman from this family eventually had a child with a young student from Kenya East Africa who goes by the name of Barack Obama, who retracing the steps of Davis eventually decamped to Chicago."

It was in Chicago that Obama became a "community organizer" and came into contact with more far-left political forces, including the Democratic Socialists of America, which maintains close ties to European socialist groups and parties through the Socialist International (SI), and two former members of the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), William Ayers and Carl Davidson.

The SDS laid siege to college campuses across America in the 1960s, mostly in order to protest the Vietnam War, and spawned the terrorist Weather Underground organization. Ayers was a member of the terrorist group and turned himself in to authorities in 1981. He is now a college professor and served with Obama on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago. Davidson is now a figure in the Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism, an offshoot of the old Moscow-controlled CPUSA, and helped organize the 2002 rally where Obama came out against the Iraq War.

Both communism and socialism trace their roots to Karl Marx, co-author of the Communist Manifesto, who endorsed the first meeting of the Socialist International, then called the "First International." According to Pierre Mauroy, president of the SI from 1992-1996, "It was he [Marx] who formally launched it, gave the inaugural address and devised its structure..."

Apparently unaware that Davis had been publicly named as a CPUSA member, Horne said only that Davis "was certainly in the orbit of the CP [Communist Party]-if not a member..."

In addition to Tidwell's book, Black Moods: Collected Poems of Frank Marshall Davis, confirming Davis's Communist Party membership, another book, The New Red Negro: The Literary Left and African American Poetry, 1930-1946, names Davis as one of several black poets who continued to publish in CPUSA-supported publications after the 1939 Hitler-Stalin non-aggression pact. The author, James Edward Smethurst, associate professor of Afro-American studies at the University of Massachusetts-Amherst, says that Davis, however, would later claim that he was "deeply troubled" by the pact.

While blacks such as Richard Wright left the CPUSA, it is not clear if or when Davis ever left the party.

However, Obama writes in Dreams From My Father that he saw "Frank" only a few days before he left Hawaii for college, and that Davis seemed just as radical as ever. Davis called college "An advanced degree in compromise" and warned Obama not to forget his "people" and not to "start believing what they tell you about equal opportunity and the American way and all that ####." Davis also complained about foot problems, the result of "trying to force African feet into European shoes," Obama wrote.

For his part, Horne says that Obama's giving of credit to Davis will be important in history. "At some point in the future, a teacher will add to her syllabus Barack's memoir and instruct her students to read it alongside Frank Marshall Davis' equally affecting memoir, Living the Blues and when that day comes, I'm sure a future student will not only examine critically the Frankenstein monsters that US imperialism created in order to subdue Communist parties but will also be moved to come to this historic and wonderful archive in order to gain insight on what has befallen this complex and intriguing planet on which we reside," he said.

Dr. Kathryn Takara, a professor of Interdisciplinary Studies at the University of Hawaii at Manoa who also confirms that Davis is the "Frank" in Obama's book, did her dissertation on Davis and spent much time with him between 1972 until he passed away in 1987.

In an analysis posted online, she notes that Davis, who was a columnist for the Honolulu Record, brought "an acute sense of race relations and class struggle throughout America and the world" and that he openly discussed subjects such as American imperialism,  colonialism and exploitation. She described him as a "socialist realist" who attacked the work of the House Un-American Activities Committee.

Davis, in his own writings, had said that Robeson and Harry Bridges, the head of the International Longshore and Warehouse Union (ILWU) and a secret member of the CPUSA, had suggested that he take a job as a columnist with the Honolulu Record "and see if I could do something for them." The ILWU was organizing workers there and Robeson's contacts were "passed on" to Davis, Takara writes.

Takara says that Davis "espoused freedom, radicalism, solidarity, labor unions, due process, peace, affirmative action, civil rights, Negro History week, and true Democracy to fight imperialism, colonialism, and white supremacy. He urged coalition politics."

Is "coalition politics" at work in Obama's rise to power?

Trevor Loudon, the New Zealand-based blogger who has been analyzing the political forces behind Obama and specializes in studying the impact of Marxist and leftist political organizations, notes that Frank Chapman, a CPUSA supporter, has written a letter to the party newspaper hailing the Illinois senator's victory in the Iowa caucuses.

"Obama's victory was more than a progressive move; it was a dialectical leap ushering in a qualitatively new era of struggle," Chapman wrote. "Marx once compared revolutionary struggle with the work of the mole, who sometimes burrows so far beneath the ground that he leaves no trace of his movement on the surface. This is the old revolutionary ‘mole,' not only showing his traces on the surface but also breaking through."

Let's challenge the liberal media to report on this. Will they have the honesty and integrity to do so?
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: Fatpanda on March 21, 2010, 05:52:23 PM
Nothing wrong with a successful business.

 But when the business is profitting off of pople getting sick and dying, that's the problem. ANd when it is monopolized to tis extent, it's very dangerous.

 Don't you understand that? This is HEALTH CARE, this isn't a clothes company or a coffee shop chain.

x3
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 21, 2010, 05:52:31 PM
Nothing wrong with a successful business.

 But when the business is profitting off of pople getting sick and dying, that's the problem. ANd when it is monopolized to tis extent, it's very dangerous.

 Don't you understand that? This is HEALTH CARE, this isn't a clothes company or a coffee shop chain.
and this health care reform is gonna fix that when no one apparently has actually read it...right?
and tonnes of people in the USA die of cancer which is why people all over the world fly here to get treated...right?
what happens when 2 people split a $...they get 50 cents each..correct?
now what happens when 1000 people get to split a $?  ... :-\
wait..this isn't even splitting a $ evenly...i worked for my part of the $..you just want yours from the govt for free?
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 21, 2010, 05:54:08 PM
wtf how did you get this info   >:(

Pretty common knowledge sister.
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 21, 2010, 05:55:01 PM
how about this guy...

fine..free healthcare...and get rid of welfare..

deal?
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: ShipSekki on March 21, 2010, 05:55:19 PM
 Oh no be afraid of the evil commies!  :-[

 MOST politicians are insired by Communism to some extent. Most of them also know all about Facsism, Feudalism, Monarchy, Despotism, etc. etc. etc.......

 All this left vs. right shit is an act. Most politicians are educated enough to see beyond all these labels.
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: The Showstoppa on March 21, 2010, 05:57:32 PM
How about some of these people screaming about needing national healthcare take the time to actually try to improve their own health thru diet and excercise?  VAST majority don't, yet want others to pay for their healthcare.  I'm not talking about pre-existing conditions, which should be addressed with insurance companies, but there is no need to blow up the entire healthcare system to fix some of the problems.
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: Fatpanda on March 21, 2010, 05:58:26 PM
how about this guy...

fine..free healthcare...and get rid of welfare..

deal?

you'll have rampant crime if you do.

in a country with legal guns this isn't good  :-\
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 21, 2010, 05:59:03 PM
How about some of these people screaming about needing national healthcare take the time to actually try to improve their own health thru diet and excercise?  VAST majority don't, yet want others to pay for their healthcare.  I'm not talking about pre-existing conditions, which should be addressed with insurance companies, but there is no need to blow up the entire healthcare system to fix some of the problems.

do people on welfare get free healthcare also?
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 21, 2010, 06:00:30 PM
you'll have rampant crime if you do.

in a country with legal guns this isn't good  :-\

so we provide the low lives free healthcare and free $ not to commit crimes....

how about tougher punishments....1 major crime and you r done..
rape and murder...automatic death penalty
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: Fatpanda on March 21, 2010, 06:02:08 PM
so we provide the low lives free healthcare and free $ not to commit crimes....

how about tougher punishments....1 major crime and you r done..
rape and murder...automatic death penalty

great plan - as a well behaved citizen i agree completely.

crime would be cut dramatically.
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: ShipSekki on March 21, 2010, 06:02:08 PM
and this health care reform is gonna fix that when no one apparently has actually read it...right?
and tonnes of people in the USA die of cancer which is why people all over the world fly here to get treated...right?
what happens when 2 people split a $...they get 50 cents each..correct?
now what happens when 1000 people get to split a $?  ... :-\
wait..this isn't even splitting a $ evenly...i worked for my part of the $..you just want yours from the govt for free?

 Health care in the USA is only good for rich people. We have quality service, but the prices are absolutely astronomical. A simple doctors visit usually costs over a thousand dollars, you don't see the problem with that?

 The 200 million or so poor people in the USA are forced not pay their health care bills and the taxpayers take up the slack for them right now anyway.

 When a poor person gets slammed with a 20K bill, what do you think they're gonna do?

 Either way the taxpayer has to pay.
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: Natural Man on March 21, 2010, 06:07:17 PM
the process does work with minimal violence and civil unrest.  i figure using the economic resources of north america it can be perfected where rich, middle n poor can live in hormany inches apart with free - partially paid hlthcare for all.  by 2035 the states will have a large enough poor n working class mexican population to perfect it.  obivously...the larger middle "so called" class which is up to its' neck in credit, mortgage n loan debts, will pick up most of the bill.  

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_a1kmsbz9T8I/S1TxS_-8u2I/AAAAAAAAK9o/rJxLAChHL3Q/s800/rich-poor-border.jpg)
of course being smarter/having more money and being above the middle class allows you to avoid all these troubles.
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: io856 on March 21, 2010, 06:09:12 PM
of course being smarter/having more money and being above the middle class allows you to avoid all these troubles.
theres always going to be inferiors... ? otherwise there couldn't be superiors...

in other words there will ALWAYS be lower classes

you are usually more profound
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: jtsunami on March 21, 2010, 06:22:03 PM
Health care in the USA is only good for rich people. We have quality service, but the prices are absolutely astronomical. A simple doctors visit usually costs over a thousand dollars, you don't see the problem with that?

 The 200 million or so poor people in the USA are forced not pay their health care bills and the taxpayers take up the slack for them right now anyway.

 When a poor person gets slammed with a 20K bill, what do you think they're gonna do?

 Either way the taxpayer has to pay.

Yup, and the rich people have the voice in the country sadly
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 21, 2010, 06:38:36 PM


 When a poor person gets slammed with a 20K bill, what do you think they're gonna do?

 

you mean they go to the emergency room and then dont pay their bill which means the rich end up paying it anyhow  :-\
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: ShipSekki on March 21, 2010, 06:40:59 PM
you mean they go to the emergency room and then dont pay their bill which means the rich end up paying it anyhow  :-\

 Exactly. That's how it is.

 People always say "Why don't those deadbeats pay their medical bills?" Well reality check, they won't, and lots of them just plain can't.

Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: Natural Man on March 21, 2010, 06:42:33 PM
theres always going to be inferiors... ? otherwise there couldn't be superiors...

in other words there will ALWAYS be lower classes

you are usually more profound
where did i state i thought there wouldnt /shouldnt be lower classes  ???

of course there will always be poor, middle and upper classes, and of course societies will always be based on a pyramidal structure.
Cause there will always be dumb, midly smart and very smart people. There will always be uneducated, midly educated and well educated people.

I dont get your point?

Im just saying that what elites sell as being a cool new product that will make everyone happier than ever (globalization and multiculturalism) is just another scam. Nothing will ever change, they will just merge everyone for economic reasons. This is the only thing im saying.

Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 21, 2010, 06:43:54 PM
Exactly. That's how it is.

 People always say "Why don't those deadbeats pay their medical bills?" Well reality check, they won't, and lots of them just plain can't.



sooo this bill is only ENCOURAGING dead beats further....right?
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: ShipSekki on March 21, 2010, 06:46:51 PM
sooo this bill is only ENCOURAGING dead beats further....right?

 Not really. When people are sick they will go to the hospital no matter what. It doesn't matter what the politics are behind it. Right now people go to the hospital all the time and don;t pay the bills anyway.

 Have you ever been in a situation where you were sick in the USA and didn't have insurance? Have you ever known someone like that? You don't sound like it.
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 21, 2010, 06:50:42 PM
Yup, and the rich people have the voice in the country sadly

Soo, just because you're not rich means you can never be rich? are you saying that to be rich you have to either inherit it or be born into it?
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: jtsunami on March 21, 2010, 06:56:40 PM
Soo, just because you're not rich means you can never be rich? are you saying that to be rich you have to either inherit it or be born into it?

no it means people will slave away their whole lives chasing a dream of being rich, wasting there lives, trying to become rich which only a handful actually accomplish anymore and it is pure luck, let's be honest, there are some people just getting by that are harder workers than very rich people.  In the end the people who profit the most of people chasing the dream of becoming rich are the big corporations and banks who are all owned by the super rich, a cycle the keeps getting repeated again and again.  

capitalism is a disgusting system, where the rich will get richer the poor will stay poor for the most part, and the gap will always grow larger in between.  Stop selling dreams of being rich and celebrity and have people be satisfied with their lives being nice and comfortable.  So much to profit from poor off selling dreams of big $$ think lottery.

Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 21, 2010, 06:57:16 PM


 Have you ever been in a situation where you were sick in the USA and didn't have insurance? Have you ever known someone like that? You don't sound like it.

lets see...i dont have insurance....my fiance is on dialysis(daily) and medicare (which this plan will take a substantial chunk out of)....i'm working hard and in about 6 months i'll be able to afford healthcare for my girl and me...

i sure dont want and govt handed freebies...

WASHINGTON — Congressional budget scorekeepers say a Medicare fix that Democrats included in earlier versions of their health care bill would push it into the red.

The Congressional Budget Office said Friday that rolling back a programmed cut in Medicare fees to doctors would cost $208 billion over 10 years. If added back to the health care overhaul bill, it would wipe out all the deficit reduction, leaving the legislation $59 billion in the red.

The so-called doc fix was part of the original House bill. Because of its high cost, Democrats decided to pursue it separately. Republicans say the cost should not be ignored. Congress has usually waived the cuts to doctors year by year.

http://blog.taragana.com/business/2010/03/19/rollback-of-medicare-cuts-to-doctors-if-added-to-health-care-bill-push-it-into-the-red-43410/
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 21, 2010, 06:58:45 PM
sooo this bill is only ENCOURAGING dead beats further....right?

Yes..it absolutely will...


Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 21, 2010, 06:59:19 PM
no it means people will slave away their whole lives chasing a dream of being rich, wasting there lives, trying to become rich which only a handful actually accomplish anymore and it is pure luck, let's be honest,

luck??  r you fucking trying to insult me....i've been studying an average of 14 hrs daily for the past yr...
in 6 months i stand to start at 6 figures and move up

LUCK had nothing to do with it...

smarts yes....but now i gotta suffer cause i'm smarter than the next guy...?
bullshit
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 21, 2010, 07:02:42 PM
Yes..it absolutely will...




didn't pelosi in a speech recently say,"that she wants an America where people dont have to work and are free to persue their dreams of art and writing"  :-\ (i heard the speech on the mark levin show)
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 21, 2010, 07:04:35 PM
no it means people will slave away their whole lives chasing a dream of being rich, wasting there lives, trying to become rich which only a handful actually accomplish anymore and it is pure luck, let's be honest, there are some people just getting by that are harder workers than very rich people.  In the end the people who profit the most of people chasing the dream of becoming rich are the big corporations and banks who are all owned by the super rich, a cycle the keeps getting repeated again and again.  

capitalism is a disgusting system, where the rich will get richer the poor will stay poor for the most part, and the gap will always grow larger in between.  Stop selling dreams of being rich and celebrity and have people be satisfied with their lives being nice and comfortable.  So much to profit from poor off selling dreams of big $$ think lottery.



Translation = "I'm going be a lazy fuck all my and live off others" I don't or will not feel sorry for people like you.
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: jtsunami on March 21, 2010, 07:05:30 PM
luck??  r you fucking trying to insult me....i've been studying an average of 14 hrs daily for the past yr...
in 6 months i stand to start at 6 figures and move up

LUCK had nothing to do with it...

smarts yes....but now i gotta suffer cause i'm smarter than the next guy...?
bullshit

you seem angered.  Yes LUCK, luck as in your parents who gave birth to you, your limit on how well you can learn a specific subject, even the hardest workers cannot become doctors. 

You think studying is harder than working all day in this shit?

(http://www.old-picture.com/american-history-1900-1930s/pictures/miners-Coal.jpg)

These guys may have not been born the smartest and they can't help that, does that mean they shouldn't be treated like human beings and be provided health care and live a normal life NO!  They are the ones who should make 100,000 a year cause your ass could never do that work they do.

Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 21, 2010, 07:05:54 PM
Under the House bill those who can afford to buy insurance and don’t’ pay a fine. If the refuse to pay that fine there’s a threat – as with a lot of tax fines – of jail time.
Mr. Obama said penalties have to be high enough for people to not game the system

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/11/interview-with-the-president-jail-time-for-those-without-health-care-insurance.html


here comes communism
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: jtsunami on March 21, 2010, 07:07:41 PM
Translation = "I'm going be a lazy fuck all my and live off others" I don't or will not feel sorry for people like you.

no translation is the poor need to wise up and stop chasing dreams of being rich, if they do the rich will stop making money off them selling them useless products and dreams they chase and spend countless thousands on.  The rich like you live in your own little rich white world.

Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: jtsunami on March 21, 2010, 07:09:49 PM
Under the House bill those who can afford to buy insurance and don’t’ pay a fine. If the refuse to pay that fine there’s a threat – as with a lot of tax fines – of jail time.
Mr. Obama said penalties have to be high enough for people to not game the system

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/11/interview-with-the-president-jail-time-for-those-without-health-care-insurance.html


here comes communism

isn't it odd how the rich always are the ones who are so afraid of communism???!!   ;D  coach sure doesn't want to lose his big $$$ lifestyle and you are looking to soon live the same.
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 21, 2010, 07:12:25 PM
isn't it odd how the rich always are the ones who are so afraid of communism???!!   ;D  coach sure doesn't want to lose his big $$$ lifestyle and you are looking to soon live the same.

yeah cause we r superior..as in smarter..

isn't it odd that the lowest scum in society..the dumbfucks and the lazy fucks hate capitalism and wanna sit at home and want other to spoon feed them :-\ and if we dont THEY DIE..right

we dont need you..you need US :-*
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 21, 2010, 07:12:56 PM
isn't it odd how the rich always are the ones who are so afraid of communism???!!   ;D  coach sure doesn't want to lose his big $$$ lifestyle and you are looking to soon live the same.

Thats right.....I worked for it!!
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: MuscleKing on March 21, 2010, 07:14:42 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/8XN1y.gif)
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 21, 2010, 07:15:56 PM
the dumbfucks of this country NEED the smart people

for us to pay taxes so they can stay at home and be a burden to society
for us to come up with cures that save lives..so they can stay alive...yanno the next cure ...should be sold at a cost...bring darwanism back and let nature take its course with the cockroaches
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: kiwiol on March 21, 2010, 07:17:13 PM
isn't it odd how the rich always are the ones who are so afraid of communism???!!   ;D 

Not at all, just like it's not surprising that the retarded and the moronic always are in favor of communism ;)

Communist is synonymous with "idiot". HTH
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 21, 2010, 07:20:23 PM
Not at all, just like it's not surprising that the retarded and the moronic always are in favor of communism ;)

Communist is synonymous with "idiot". HTH

Thank you.
Title: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: 240 is Back on March 21, 2010, 07:46:24 PM
Bodybuilders worldwide are celebrating.
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: Devon97 on March 21, 2010, 07:46:26 PM
Coach, do you think these Hollywood elitists realized their Messiah was going to redistribute their wealth as soon as he inched his way into office?

I believe they are so sensational and brainwashed w/ hatred for GWB that they would have voted for a community organizer as Prez.

.......Oh wait.. ;D
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Hulkotron on March 21, 2010, 07:48:02 PM
What does this mean for the price of creatine monohydrate?
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: jtsunami on March 21, 2010, 07:48:11 PM
Not at all, just like it's not surprising that the retarded and the moronic always are in favor of communism ;)

Communist is synonymous with "idiot". HTH

Your calling Karl Marx an idiot then right ?   ::)

Wow it's really sad to see how bad US has brainwashed people into money driven hacks, that will stomp on anyone to get what they want.  Greed has led America spiraling down into the sewer. 

Not only are you guys only thinking of the upper tier of society, the smart the rich, you want to dominate the poor as the other poster stated the poor need "us" the rich.  That shows how much integrity you have zero.  On top of all this, most of you will claim to be Christians.  Or as I like to call em hypocrites  ;D

No use in arguing with people with zero integrity, I know your only goal is to achieve domination over have not's, and you will do anything including lying, stealing, and murdering to get what you want.

Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: ShipSekki on March 21, 2010, 07:48:32 PM
 Wake up. All the politicians are on the same page. Bush and Obama. Liberal and conservatives. Democrats and Republicans. They all have the same agenda right now.

 Stop falling for this left vs. right bullshit and argueing like idiots.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: 240 is Back on March 21, 2010, 07:50:48 PM
Repubs took a beating tonight.
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 21, 2010, 07:51:15 PM
you will do anything including lying, stealing, and murdering to get what you want.


no thats what the lazy dumbfucks do

the smart ones suceed just working hard ...getting jobs and being better at them than anyone else...no need to lie or steal ;)
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 21, 2010, 07:52:21 PM
Wake up. All the politicians are on the same page. Bush and Obama. Liberal and conservatives. Democrats and Republicans. They all have the same agenda right now.

 Stop falling for this left vs. right bullshit and argueing like idiots.

if i wanted a thread about the freemasons...i woulda made one..ok
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: ShipSekki on March 21, 2010, 07:53:36 PM
if i wanted a thread about the freemasons...i woulda made one..ok

 It's the truth. Only a fucking moron with no knowledge of history, politics and journalism would believe what they see on the news.
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: jtsunami on March 21, 2010, 07:53:42 PM
BOOOOM all you money loving boys, it is passed :)  What a day it is, rejoice, celebrate, a victory for the people today, a defeat for the rich.

10:45 p.m.: The House passes the Senate health care bill. Democrats erupt into cheers.

House passes health care reform, the most sweeping social legislation in more than four decades.

Someone please post Nancy Pelosi's speech please when it is on youtube, I have to get up early for work.  She really gave a great one!

LUV IT!

goodnight all :)
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 21, 2010, 07:54:21 PM

 It's the truth. Only a fucking moron with no knowledge of history, politics and journalism would believe what they see on the news.

ok i'm a moron...by bye
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: che on March 21, 2010, 07:55:18 PM
Cheers

(http://www.photorepetto.com/Beer/01-CHEERS.jpg)
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: ShipSekki on March 21, 2010, 07:55:28 PM
BOOOOM all you money loving boys, it is passed :)  What a day it is, rejoice, celebrate, a victory for the people today, a defeat for the rich with a stick up there ass.

10:45 p.m.: The House passes the Senate health care bill. Democrats erupt into cheers.

House passes health care reform, the most sweeping social legislation in more than four decades.

Someone please post Nancy Pelosi's speech please when it is on youtube, I have to get up early for work.  She really gave a great one!

LUV IT!

goodnight all :)

 That's right. Go suck a dick everyone.

 If you don't like it. Grow some balls and revolt against the gov. Or move out of the USA. ha ha
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 21, 2010, 07:55:46 PM
BOOOOM all you money loving boys, it is passed :)  What a day it is, rejoice, celebrate, a victory for the people today, a defeat for the rich with a stick up there ass.

10:45 p.m.: The House passes the Senate health care bill. Democrats erupt into cheers.

House passes health care reform, the most sweeping social legislation in more than four decades.

Someone please post Nancy Pelosi's speech please when it is on youtube, I have to get up early for work.  She really gave a great one!

LUV IT!

goodnight all :)
 nanci pelosi and obamination r both millionaires  :-*  but..its a win for the dumbfucks...now us hard working people will have to pay for the lazy and stupid....
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 21, 2010, 07:56:37 PM
That's right. Go suck a dick everyone.

 If you don't like it. Grow some balls and revolt against the gov.

o come november...it'll happen...bills and laws can be repealed..

enjoy till then..
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: ShipSekki on March 21, 2010, 07:59:09 PM
o come november...it'll happen...bills and laws can be repealed..

enjoy till then..

 Wat are you gonna do, vote a Republican in?

 Yeah that'll make everything allright  ::) Republicans are all about helping the American people.......
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: 240 is Back on March 21, 2010, 08:00:45 PM
My neice is 7.  She IQ tested at 142 :)  I'm so proud. 

But there are a few people in the gifted class that are way below where she is - there are other factors they also consider, in addition to low income.  Not all that fair.
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: kiwiol on March 21, 2010, 08:05:15 PM
Your calling Karl Marx an idiot then right ?   ::)

Not just him, but you too :)

It's obvious from your posts that you are either someone who has no clue about the basics of capitalism & communism, or a troll who is just trying to get a reaction from the crowd. Hopefully you aren't both.
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 21, 2010, 08:05:30 PM
Coach, do you think these Hollywood elitists realized their Messiah was going to redistribute their wealth as soon as he inched his way into office?

I believe they are so sensational and brainwashed w/ hatred for GWB that they would have voted for a community organizer as Prez.

.......Oh wait.. ;D

I people like the Sean Penn's and Danny Glovers of the industry knew, but it would make a difference anyway, even if they gave away 60% of their income they would still be sick rich. I'd still like to punch Sean Penn in the face tho ;D
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: Krankenstein on March 21, 2010, 08:05:40 PM
 nanci pelosi and obamination r both millionaires  :-*  but..its a win for the dumbfucks...now us hard working people will have to pay for the lazy and stupid....

x2....fuck the dems.  
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 21, 2010, 08:08:20 PM
That's right. Go suck a dick everyone.

 If you don't like it. Grow some balls and revolt against the gov. Or move out of the USA. ha ha

Look, another lazy f**k who thinks they are entitled.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 21, 2010, 08:09:56 PM
Repubs took a beating tonight.

Lets see who's going to take the beating in November.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: 240 is Back on March 21, 2010, 08:13:44 PM
John Boehnner forced every republican to stand up and speak their vote, instead of doing it electronically.

However, Geraldo Rivera just wondered on FOX news if it's possible that since the economy is recovering, tonight's anger will subside by Nov elections.


Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Danny on March 21, 2010, 08:16:07 PM
John Boehnner forced every republican to stand up and speak their vote, instead of doing it electronically.

However, Geraldo Rivera just wondered on FOX news if it's possible that since the economy is recovering, tonight's anger will subside by Nov elections.




I'm sure Coach thinks we're going to shit and economy is worse... ;D never underestimate the power of mass brainwashing and stupidity.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 21, 2010, 08:18:04 PM
John Boehnner forced every republican to stand up and speak their vote, instead of doing it electronically.

However, Geraldo Rivera just wondered on FOX news if it's possible that since the economy is recovering, tonight's anger will subside by Nov elections.




Boehner should run for for pres, Gerdildo should just.............
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: 240 is Back on March 21, 2010, 08:19:22 PM
Yes, repubs would destroy the dems if the election was held tomorrow.

here's the thing... the election is what, 8 months away?

Can you remember what pissed you off the most about the government in the exact month of July 2009?  Probably not.  And in 250 days, there's a good chance some people will have cooled off, and we'll have some new distraction like an American Idol controversy to keep us focused.
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: Palpatine Q on March 21, 2010, 08:20:09 PM
yeah cause we r superior..as in smarter..

isn't it odd that the lowest scum in society..the dumbfucks and the lazy fucks hate capitalism and wanna sit at home and want other to spoon feed them :-\ and if we dont THEY DIE..right

we dont need you..you need US :-*

Dude....you have rich parents, which allows you to live without the pressure of bills and be a perpetual student. Nothing wrong with that...good for you.

But stop acting like you are fucking H. Ross Perot and you built a multi-biliion dollar company from scratch and the Gov't wants to take it from you.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: tonymctones on March 21, 2010, 08:21:06 PM
I'm sure Coach thinks we're going to shit and economy is worse... ;D never underestimate the power of mass brainwashing and stupidity.
LOL you mean like the dems thinking that the majority of america wanted them to pass this bill  ::)

you liberals hahahahha ignorant disconnect
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: 240 is Back on March 21, 2010, 08:21:19 PM
I didn't like this bill at all.  it's extremely unfair to 270 million of us.  And 30 mil people are gonna love it.


However, Coach, most people aren't political junkies like you and me.  Most people will see some aol news headline about this, then move on to see what is on "Chuck" on NBC on monday night.  

In 250 days, a lot of people will forget.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Danny on March 21, 2010, 08:21:28 PM
here's something interesting

"The last guy was the best. The fucking apex of wingnut. Said he was opposed to the bill and govt. involvement in healthcare. That, unfortunately, healthcare was a privilege, not a right. And most gloriously, that neither he nor his wife had health insurance because they couldn't afford it. They hoped to have it one day, but not from the government. JESUS. FUCKING. CHRIST. Jesus. Jesus. Ladies and gentlemen of the Democratic leadership, that is the base of the opposition party. There is no reasoning with a person that far gone from reality. A person who'd literally rather die than possibly step on the toes of the wealthy he worships.I'm sorry, but this has to be said: the right-wing is a cancer on our nation. The people that comprise their base are the most irrational, unreasonable, and dangerous bloc of citizens in our nation. They are insane. I truly believe that. They must be marginalized and beaten to a pulp at every turn. To me the best (or worst) part about this bill is that that piece of shit that wasn't "privileged" enough to have healthcare is going to get healthcare, is going to use it thanks to the Democratic Party, and is going to bitch about it, just like the giant waste of space from Delaware. They are truly the lowest form of human life, and are beneath contempt."
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: Devon97 on March 21, 2010, 08:23:39 PM
the dumbfucks of this country NEED the smart people

for us to pay taxes so they can stay at home and be a burden to society
for us to come up with cures that save lives..so they can stay alive...yanno the next cure ...should be sold at a cost...bring darwanism back and let nature take its course with the cockroaches

Very unfortunate but true.

Redistribution of wealth. Funny thing is it will only make them more lazy and increase their sense of entitlement.

Brutal backfire in the end. :-\
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: tonymctones on March 21, 2010, 08:25:37 PM
I didn't like this bill at all.  it's extremely unfair to 270 million of us.  And 30 mil people are gonna love it.


However, Coach, most people aren't political junkies like you and me.  Most people will see some aol news headline about this, then move on to see what is on "Chuck" on NBC on monday night.  

In 250 days, a lot of people will forget.
problem is if he pushes amnesty this bill will be brought up in conjunction with that in opposition for it...this bill will be in the news for months to come without amnesty with amnesty this bill will be in the news for easily over a year...
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 21, 2010, 08:26:08 PM
Dude....you have rich parents, which allows you to live without the pressure of bills and be a perpetual student. Nothing wrong with that...good for you.

But stop acting like you are fucking H. Ross Perot and you built a multi-biliion dollar company from scratch and the Gov't wants to take it from you.

Even though Toxie comes from a privledged background doesn't mean he can't create his own wealth otherwise he wouldn't be studying 14 hours a day, he's not lazy and I believe he knows the value of working hard.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: 240 is Back on March 21, 2010, 08:27:38 PM
amnesty is coming no matter what:

Bush, Mccain, Palin and Obama all supported it in 2008.

Nobody will stop that ball when it comes a rollin.  Republicans can blame obama, but anybody in charge would have pushed for that.  It's a problem with no solution, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 21, 2010, 08:35:50 PM
I didn't like this bill at all.  it's extremely unfair to 270 million of us.  And 30 mil people are gonna love it.


However, Coach, most people aren't political junkies like you and me.  Most people will see some aol news headline about this, then move on to see what is on "Chuck" on NBC on monday night.  

In 250 days, a lot of people will forget.

About 15mil spend on other things besides health care, not that they can't afford it, the other 15mil, well.............
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: 240 is Back on March 21, 2010, 08:36:34 PM
yep, many ppl without health insurance have $ for Newports.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Relentless on March 21, 2010, 08:38:42 PM
Nanny state in the house!  Let's see how many bright young minds will be applying to medical school now?

This bill is a fuckin joke.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on March 21, 2010, 08:40:54 PM
Boehner should run for for pres, Gerdildo should just.............

Gerdildo is a bitch, Bohener is also a bitch, but not as bad a Gerdildo.

Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Relentless on March 21, 2010, 08:41:55 PM
here's something interesting

"The last guy was the best. The fucking apex of wingnut. Said he was opposed to the bill and govt. involvement in healthcare. That, unfortunately, healthcare was a privilege, not a right. And most gloriously, that neither he nor his wife had health insurance because they couldn't afford it. They hoped to have it one day, but not from the government. JESUS. FUCKING. CHRIST. Jesus. Jesus. Ladies and gentlemen of the Democratic leadership, that is the base of the opposition party. There is no reasoning with a person that far gone from reality. A person who'd literally rather die than possibly step on the toes of the wealthy he worships.I'm sorry, but this has to be said: the right-wing is a cancer on our nation. The people that comprise their base are the most irrational, unreasonable, and dangerous bloc of citizens in our nation. They are insane. I truly believe that. They must be marginalized and beaten to a pulp at every turn. To me the best (or worst) part about this bill is that that piece of shit that wasn't "privileged" enough to have healthcare is going to get healthcare, is going to use it thanks to the Democratic Party, and is going to bitch about it, just like the giant waste of space from Delaware. They are truly the lowest form of human life, and are beneath contempt."

There's a thing called QUALITY of health care, and its about to go down the shitter now.  You are going to see doctors taking early retirement and fewer and fewer medical school applications.  This bill KILLS what is, mostly, a good health care system.  

A LIFE LESSON FOR ALL YOU BLEEDIN' HEART DEMS:  YOU WILL ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on March 21, 2010, 08:42:05 PM
That, unfortunately, healthcare was a privilege, not a right.

THAT!!!

Exactly!!!
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Relentless on March 21, 2010, 08:44:10 PM
here's something interesting

"The last guy was the best. The fucking apex of wingnut. Said he was opposed to the bill and govt. involvement in healthcare. That, unfortunately, healthcare was a privilege, not a right. And most gloriously, that neither he nor his wife had health insurance because they couldn't afford it. They hoped to have it one day, but not from the government. JESUS. FUCKING. CHRIST. Jesus. Jesus. Ladies and gentlemen of the Democratic leadership, that is the base of the opposition party. There is no reasoning with a person that far gone from reality. A person who'd literally rather die than possibly step on the toes of the wealthy he worships.I'm sorry, but this has to be said: the right-wing is a cancer on our nation. The people that comprise their base are the most irrational, unreasonable, and dangerous bloc of citizens in our nation. They are insane. I truly believe that. They must be marginalized and beaten to a pulp at every turn. To me the best (or worst) part about this bill is that that piece of shit that wasn't "privileged" enough to have healthcare is going to get healthcare, is going to use it thanks to the Democratic Party, and is going to bitch about it, just like the giant waste of space from Delaware. They are truly the lowest form of human life, and are beneath contempt."

For someone who loves everyone so much you want to give free health care, these are pretty aggressive statements. 
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: SF1900 on March 21, 2010, 08:44:51 PM
I hear that specialists are going to get hit the worse. If you go to a general practitioner you might get charged like $90 or so. However, if you go to a specialist (dermatologist, orthopedist) you can get charged up to $150 a visit. From what I hear, that's going to change; specialists might be getting as much as a general practitioner for an office visit, if not less.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Krankenstein on March 21, 2010, 08:45:48 PM
here's something interesting

"The last guy was the best. The fucking apex of wingnut. Said he was opposed to the bill and govt. involvement in healthcare. That, unfortunately, healthcare was a privilege, not a right. And most gloriously, that neither he nor his wife had health insurance because they couldn't afford it. They hoped to have it one day, but not from the government. JESUS. FUCKING. CHRIST. Jesus. Jesus. Ladies and gentlemen of the Democratic leadership, that is the base of the opposition party. There is no reasoning with a person that far gone from reality. A person who'd literally rather die than possibly step on the toes of the wealthy he worships.I'm sorry, but this has to be said: the right-wing is a cancer on our nation. The people that comprise their base are the most irrational, unreasonable, and dangerous bloc of citizens in our nation. They are insane. I truly believe that. They must be marginalized and beaten to a pulp at every turn. To me the best (or worst) part about this bill is that that piece of shit that wasn't "privileged" enough to have healthcare is going to get healthcare, is going to use it thanks to the Democratic Party, and is going to bitch about it, just like the giant waste of space from Delaware. They are truly the lowest form of human life, and are beneath contempt."

How you going to feel when illegal aliens are getting heath care that YOU pay for?
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: Natural Man on March 21, 2010, 08:46:55 PM
no it means people will slave away their whole lives chasing a dream of being rich, wasting there lives, trying to become rich which only a handful actually accomplish anymore and it is pure luck, let's be honest, there are some people just getting by that are harder workers than very rich people.  In the end the people who profit the most of people chasing the dream of becoming rich are the big corporations and banks who are all owned by the super rich, a cycle the keeps getting repeated again and again.  

capitalism is a disgusting system, where the rich will get richer the poor will stay poor for the most part, and the gap will always grow larger in between.  Stop selling dreams of being rich and celebrity and have people be satisfied with their lives being nice and comfortable.  So much to profit from poor off selling dreams of big $$ think lottery.


you obviously didnt hear about studies, education and diplomas. This is the only reason why you talk about "luck". Ignorant loser.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Relentless on March 21, 2010, 08:47:08 PM
I didn't like this bill at all.  it's extremely unfair to 270 million of us.  And 30 mil people are gonna love it.


However, Coach, most people aren't political junkies like you and me.  Most people will see some aol news headline about this, then move on to see what is on "Chuck" on NBC on monday night.  

In 250 days, a lot of people will forget.

Ask doctors how much they are going to like this.  I have family members in the medical community, and many doctors are in an outrage right now.  Medicare patients are being denied left and right already.  This bill is going to drive the good docs out of the country so they can make the money they've earned through years of schooling and residency.  Many doctors will be retiring early.  I'm in an MBA program where doctors are enrolling so they can sit on boards and make money that way, as the money is leaving the medical profession.  QUALITY health care is going to die on the vine with this bill, just wait and see.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: YngiweRhoads on March 21, 2010, 08:47:51 PM
Free health care may just be enough to entice me to move to the US. Does welfare pay well there? If so, I'll see you guys soon.
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: Natural Man on March 21, 2010, 08:48:55 PM
Wake up. All the politicians are on the same page. Bush and Obama. Liberal and conservatives. Democrats and Republicans. They all have the same agenda right now.

 Stop falling for this left vs. right bullshit and argueing like idiots.

exactly. The "difference" between "left and "right" is just an ilusion to give the stupid sheeps the feeling they still have a "choice". The only choice they have is what to buy and what studies to pursue.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Relentless on March 21, 2010, 08:49:39 PM
Free health care may just be enough to entice me to move to the US. Does welfare pay well there? If so, I'll see you guys soon.

Where you at now, home skillet?
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 21, 2010, 08:49:55 PM
Free health care may just be enough to entice me to move to the US. Does welfare pay well there? If so, I'll see you guys soon.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "FREE" HEALTH CARE..............ANYWHE RE! fuck!
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 21, 2010, 08:51:06 PM
Where you at now, home skillet?

Compton!
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: ShipSekki on March 21, 2010, 08:59:28 PM
Look, another lazy f**k who thinks they are entitled.

 I don't even live in the USA right now and it'll probably be years before I go back. So I am just watching this from afar. I don't need any entitlements.

 You just sound like a fucking dumbass who's been brainwashed by right wing media.
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: haider on March 21, 2010, 09:00:10 PM
I don't even lie in the USA right now and it'll probably be years before I go back. So I am just watching this from afar. I don't need any entitlements.

 You just sound like a fucking dumbass who's been brainwashed by right wing media.
LOL
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: YngiweRhoads on March 21, 2010, 09:03:07 PM
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "FREE" HEALTH CARE..............ANYWHE RE! fuck!

WTF?!

No point coming to rape your tax dollars then.

Perhaps I'll emigrate to Mexico, become a Mexican citizen and then hop the border to become a Mexican illegal living in the US. They seem to get lots of freebies from the US government.

Where you at now, home skillet?

I'm currently in Tuvalu.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: 240 is Back on March 21, 2010, 09:03:30 PM
insurance companies can't dump you for pre-existing conditions anymore.

If you have a job as an adult, and choose not to carry health insurance, you pay a fine of $325 a year.
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: AC Slater on March 21, 2010, 09:25:08 PM
you seem angered.  Yes LUCK, luck as in your parents who gave birth to you, your limit on how well you can learn a specific subject, even the hardest workers cannot become doctors. 

You think studying is harder than working all day in this shit?

(http://www.old-picture.com/american-history-1900-1930s/pictures/miners-Coal.jpg)

These guys may have not been born the smartest and they can't help that, does that mean they shouldn't be treated like human beings and be provided health care and live a normal life NO!  They are the ones who should make 100,000 a year cause your ass could never do that work they do.



Basic economics escapes you my friend.  There is a supply and demand for labor which determines how much one makes.  Those people in the photo make little money because the supply of that kind of labor is very high.  Virtually anyone can do that sort of work as long as they dont have any physical disabilities.  The demand for miners is also relatively low.  High supply and low demand = low wages. 

On the other hand, the supply of doctors are very low, while the demand is very high.  Thus, doctors make a large salary.  If those coal miners hate their job so much, they can quit and/or strike and try to get a higher salary.  But the fact remains, unskilled labor can never command a high salary.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: jesusbod on March 21, 2010, 09:42:32 PM
Yes, repubs would destroy the dems if the election was held tomorrow.

here's the thing... the election is what, 8 months away?

Can you remember what pissed you off the most about the government in the exact month of July 2009?  Probably not.  And in 250 days, there's a good chance some people will have cooled off, and we'll have some new distraction like an American Idol controversy to keep us focused.

People will remember this everyday until the November elections.. Heads are going to roll... Dems are doomed!!!!
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: 240 is Back on March 21, 2010, 09:44:32 PM
yes, they'll remember, but a million other things can happen.

If obama captures bin laden a week before elections, he probably gains 5 seats in congress lol. 

Remember Bush was low in polls until 911, then he jumped to 85%+ approval rating and won big in congress in 02 and 04.

Anything can happen in 250 days... a lot of tonight's angry will forget.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Danny on March 21, 2010, 09:49:33 PM
it's very simple. If the country is happy with most stuff this administration has done they will keep the same people in place with minor changes each and there. If there's a huge pool of people sick and tired and feeling abused by our gov they will vote new people in. My hunch is that a lot of heads from both sides will roll come Nov if unemployment doesnt come down more.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Danny on March 21, 2010, 09:53:20 PM
How you going to feel when illegal aliens are getting heath care that YOU pay for?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-5178652-503544.html (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-5178652-503544.html)
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: thelamefalsehood on March 21, 2010, 10:10:02 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-5178652-503544.html (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-5178652-503544.html)


You are a blind fool if you actually believe he will keep that promise. Over 30 million illegals getting healthcare equals over 30 million votes for the Democraps
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: MadeYaMelt on March 21, 2010, 10:18:09 PM

You are a blind fool if you actually believe he will keep that promise. Over 30 million illegals getting healthcare equals over 30 million votes for the Democraps

Illegals can't vote and they already get free healthcare.  Any time they go into an ER in labor or with a serious illness/injury, the ER is required to treat them.  Sure they send them a bill later, but do you honestly think they'll pay?  When they don't, the cost is passed on to the rest of us... 
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: ShipSekki on March 21, 2010, 10:25:48 PM
Illegals can't vote and they already get free healthcare.  Any time they go into an ER in labor or with a serious illness/injury, the ER is required to treat them.  Sure they send them a bill later, but do you honestly think they'll pay?  When they don't, the cost is passed on to the rest of us... 

 No shit.

 I don't know why thee morons don't understand this. Taxpayers are already paying out the ass for these people.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: thelamefalsehood on March 21, 2010, 10:27:55 PM
Illegals can't vote and they already get free healthcare.  Any time they go into an ER in labor or with a serious illness/injury, the ER is required to treat them.  Sure they send them a bill later, but do you honestly think they'll pay?  When they don't, the cost is passed on to the rest of us... 

Not what I was really getting at, but I agree with you. What I meant was that illegals will be made ctitizens under this Administration and then will get the free healthcare, and then the votes for the dems. This is my opinion only, but thats the way I think it is heading.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: tbombz on March 22, 2010, 12:22:27 AM
"political junkies"

LMAO!!

240 its people like you and coach that are responsible for the state of our country.... live and die by the major news outlets...  spout off the same arguments the politicians give(arguments given to those politicians by their donors)...

so called political junkies with ZERO political principle, common sense, economic expertise, or any rational sense of how to govern...

fucking disgust me
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: ShipSekki on March 22, 2010, 12:30:58 AM
"political junkies"

LMAO!!

240 its people like you and coach that are responsible for the state of our country.... live and die by the major news outlets...  spout off the same arguments the politicians give(arguments given to those politicians by their donors)...

so called political junkies with ZERO political principle, common sense, economic expertise, or any rational sense of how to govern...

fucking disgust me

 Yup. If people really want to know what's happening in the world then they need to read in depth books about history, politics, journalism, sociology etc. and actually do real studying. Watching news wil only make you dumber if you don't do actually studying to get a clear perspective on it.

 There are very, very ,very few news sources that will give you a really deep look into things. It's so annoying seeing people STILL get into this left vs. right, conservative vs. liberal argueing. I would have thought that everything we saw during the Bush administration would have made people see beyond that.
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: io856 on March 22, 2010, 12:32:45 AM
 nanci pelosi and obamination r both millionaires  :-*  but..its a win for the dumbfucks...now us hard working people will have to pay for the lazy and stupid....
You can't have dumb without smart, right?

You study 14 hours a day? damn you must be dumb...
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: TrapsMcLats on March 22, 2010, 12:37:18 AM
America takes its first step into becoming a 3rd world country!


next on the ajenda : smart students required to give up 10% points to the stupid ones so they can pass also...its their right  >:(


score 1 for panhandling!

you're full of shit.  I work my ass off at two jobs, neither of which provide benefits because they don't have to.  i have to spend 400 a month for just my own coverage.  I am getting my MBA, I am a hardworking individual.  And guess what, anthem blue cross wants to increase my rates by 39%

thats criminal.  Aren't you indian anyway?
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: Method101 on March 22, 2010, 02:19:00 AM
(http://www.thoseshirts.com/images/square-large-lousy.jpg)
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: ShipSekki on March 22, 2010, 02:30:03 AM
(http://www.thoseshirts.com/images/square-large-lousy.jpg)

 Did you get T-shirts for all the people killed by the other forms of government and economics?

 
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on March 22, 2010, 05:43:47 AM
Moron.. I guess Canada along with Europe are 3rd world countries as well.
Well the one thing I will say about Ireland is that the doctors here will prioritise paying patients over freeloaders
An african had her baby in the doctor waiting area here about a year ago,I walked in,stated I am employed so had to pay 55euro to see a doctor but I got called in before the aids carrier (african and her child)
I felt good that day,granted it cost me 55euro to get blood work done
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: Fatpanda on March 22, 2010, 05:48:08 AM
Well the one thing I will say about Ireland is that the doctors here will prioritise paying patients over freeloaders
An african had her baby in the doctor waiting area here about a year ago,I walked in,stated I am employed so had to pay 55euro to see a doctor but I got called in before the aids carrier (african and her child)
I felt good that day,granted it cost me 55euro to get blood work done

okami did you notice if they were lying dead when you left ?
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on March 22, 2010, 05:49:58 AM
okami did you notice if they were lying dead when you left ?
No they werent,usually these cuunts are constantly in the doctors,cos they can for free
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: Fatpanda on March 22, 2010, 05:52:17 AM
No they werent,usually these cuunts are constantly in the doctors,cos they can for free

do they sell the big issue over there ?
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on March 22, 2010, 05:54:39 AM
do they sell the big issue over there ?
Not the africans no,they dont work at all
Romanians sell the big issue though
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: Fatpanda on March 22, 2010, 05:58:34 AM
Not the africans no,they dont work at all
Romanians sell the big issue though

its mostly the romanians over here too - with a few junkies.  >:(

go west, where everything is free....
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: Lord Humungous on March 22, 2010, 06:00:03 AM
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

 The USA is just catching up with the rest of the civilized world with their system. If we don't change it, it is going to drag the US economy into the shitter. Right now the health care system is mostly based on profiteerting by insurance companies and they are the ones lobbying to keep it the same.

 American people can often be so fucking stupid about politics and economics. No offense. But most people just turn everything into a shit for brains liberal vs. conservative arguement instead of just using logic. While the rest of the world laughs at us and calls us "stupid Americans". It's unfortunate but true.

Wow you are dumber than a steaming pile of shit.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: tonymctones on March 22, 2010, 08:34:55 AM
amnesty is coming no matter what:

Bush, Mccain, Palin and Obama all supported it in 2008.

Nobody will stop that ball when it comes a rollin.  Republicans can blame obama, but anybody in charge would have pushed for that.  It's a problem with no solution, unfortunately.
yes but who wants us to pay for their health care 240?
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 22, 2010, 09:15:51 AM
"political junkies"

LMAO!!

240 its people like you and coach that are responsible for the state of our country.... live and die by the major news outlets...  spout off the same arguments the politicians give(arguments given to those politicians by their donors)...

so called political junkies with ZERO political principle, common sense, economic expertise, or any rational sense of how to govern...

fucking disgust me

What the fuck do you know about our country unless you've had a job a, lived on your own, paid taxes, raised or raising a family and lived life. You're part of the typical 20 year old MTV crowd who really has no clue. Tbombz, be honest....did you even vote?
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: dkf360 on March 22, 2010, 09:19:25 AM
Californians will be the biggest recipient of the health care bill.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: K-1 on March 22, 2010, 09:21:33 AM
Yup. If people really want to know what's happening in the world then they need to read in depth books about history, politics, journalism, sociology etc. and actually do real studying. Watching news wil only make you dumber if you don't do actually studying to get a clear perspective on it.

 There are very, very ,very few news sources that will give you a really deep look into things. It's so annoying seeing people STILL get into this left vs. right, conservative vs. liberal argueing. I would have thought that everything we saw during the Bush administration would have made people see beyond that.

I agree.



Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 22, 2010, 09:23:46 AM
Californians will be the biggest recipient of the health care bill.

But how are going to pay for it? We're already bankrupt. It's going to be the states that are dyer straights that are going to get hit. Just look at the current states that have nationalized health care now, they are going broke or already broke.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: tbombz on March 22, 2010, 09:26:16 AM
What the fuck do you know about our country unless you've had a job a, lived on your own, paid taxes, raised or raising a family and lived life. You're part of the typical 20 year old MTV crowd who really has no clue. Tbombz, be honest....did you even vote?
 what does having a job, family, and kids have to do with anything? do i have to get a divorce multiple times as well?  ;)


Coach I was the lead congressional intern at the main district office at the age of 15, and was assisting on campaign strategy and helping out in the community on behalf of the congressman.

guess what coach, i was working for a republican  :D


yes im half your age, but ive forgotten more about political philosophy than you can imagine possible
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: dkf360 on March 22, 2010, 09:26:42 AM
But how are going to pay for it? We're already bankrupt. It's going to be the states that are dyer straights that are going to get hit. Just look at the current states that have nationalized health care now, they are going broke or already broke.
I'm not too familiar with the funding details of the plan. I thought the healthcare is federally funded?
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: tbombz on March 22, 2010, 09:28:45 AM
But how are going to pay for it? We're already bankrupt. It's going to be the states that are dyer straights that are going to get hit. Just look at the current states that have nationalized health care now, they are going broke or already broke.
it would be CHEAPER for us to have COMPLETE UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE for every citizen.... than our current "system" is now...  check out the per capita health care costs in countries like france germany and canada. they spend a whole lot LESS money on BETTER coverage...    the pharmacuetical and health inisurance lobby control our policy, and apparantly your mind as well
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: wes mantooth on March 22, 2010, 09:50:02 AM

i as an american think that if u live in the land of opportunity and still are soo lazy that u want shit for free...then u r pathetic

coming from the rich kid that still lives with his "Mum" and dad.
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: tu_holmes on March 22, 2010, 09:58:36 AM
I love how people consider Health care communist.

Yes... Stalin was out there trying to give people healthcare.

That's the big legacy of Old Red Star Joe there.
 ::)
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 22, 2010, 10:03:57 AM
I love how people consider Health care communist.

Yes... Stalin was out there trying to give people healthcare.

That's the big legacy of Old Red Star Joe there.
 ::)

Do you really think it's just the health care? Just take a look and see what the government has taken over in the last year.
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: AC Slater on March 22, 2010, 10:04:36 AM
you're full of shit.  I work my ass off at two jobs, neither of which provide benefits because they don't have to.  i have to spend 400 a month for just my own coverage.  I am getting my MBA, I am a hardworking individual.  And guess what, anthem blue cross wants to increase my rates by 39%

thats criminal.  Aren't you indian anyway?

dont like the rate increase?  go somewhere else.  no one is forcing you to stay with anthem blue cross.
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: tu_holmes on March 22, 2010, 10:08:35 AM
Quote
Do you really think it's just the health care? Just take a look and see what the government has taken over in the last year.

They wouldn't have taken that shit over in the first place if the corporations hadn't fucked it all up.

Who's to blame?
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 22, 2010, 10:23:02 AM
They wouldn't have taken that shit over in the first place if the corporations hadn't fucked it all up.

Who's to blame?

Barney Frank?
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 22, 2010, 10:27:51 AM
They wouldn't have taken that shit over in the first place if the corporations hadn't fucked it all up.

Who's to blame?

The government does not have the constitutional rights to take over private business, GM, Chrysler as an example. Obama had no right to fire anyone whether they were doing a bad job or not.
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: tu_holmes on March 22, 2010, 10:28:41 AM
Barney Frank fucked up GM and Chrysler?

Really?

::)
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: BIG_STI on March 22, 2010, 10:39:13 AM
 what does having a job, family, and kids have to do with anything? do i have to get a divorce multiple times as well?  ;)


Coach I was the lead congressional intern at the main district office at the age of 15, and was assisting on campaign strategy and helping out in the community on behalf of the congressman.

guess what coach, i was working for a republican  :D


yes im half your age, but ive forgotten more about political philosophy than you can imagine possible

Of course you did  ::)
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 22, 2010, 10:40:45 AM
Barney Frank fucked up GM and Chrysler?

Really?

::)

No...sorry should have clarified.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 22, 2010, 10:45:22 AM
 what does having a job, family, and kids have to do with anything? do i have to get a divorce multiple times as well?  ;)


Coach I was the lead congressional intern at the main district office at the age of 15, and was assisting on campaign strategy and helping out in the community on behalf of the congressman.

guess what coach, i was working for a republican  :D


yes im half your age, but ive forgotten more about political philosophy than you can imagine possible

This is EXACTLY what I mean. You have no clue. Tbombz, what are your aspirations in life? serious question.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: ag2 on March 22, 2010, 10:50:33 AM
But how are going to pay for it? We're already bankrupt. It's going to be the states that are dyer straights that are going to get hit. Just look at the current states that have nationalized health care now, they are going broke or already broke.

Coach you sound like the typical angry white man, pissed off that a black man is in the white house and now like the rest of the loony right you resort to petty name calling; "obama is a communist" "the dems do not care about family values" blah blah.

Your life will not be any different under healthcare than it is now, this effects the 40 million Americans without healthcare. You realize that America is the only deveoped country without healthcare till now? UK, Canada and the rest of the G8 all have healthcare and they are not communist hell holes like you think. Canda is a very nice place to live. So calm down with the angry retoric Rush Limbaugh coach.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Danny on March 22, 2010, 11:05:50 AM
Coach you sound like the typical angry white man, pissed off that a black man is in the white house and now like the rest of the loony right you resort to petty name calling; "obama is a communist" "the dems do not care about family values" blah blah.

Your life will not be any different under healthcare than it is now, this effects the 40 million Americans without healthcare. You realize that America is the only deveoped country without healthcare till now? UK, Canada and the rest of the G8 all have healthcare and they are not communist hell holes like you think. Canda is a very nice place to live. So calm down with the angry retoric Rush Limbaugh coach.

Yeah ...the ones Sarah " I'm a fuckin retard and I dont even know what second World War is " Palin preaches..oh wait, her daughter was fucking the whole high school right under her nose, or maybe  Governor Mark Sanford the " I'm hiking the Appalachian Trail" when in fact he flew to Argentina to be with his mistress, naaahhh...mmaayybe
California's Roy Ashburn the  Anti-Gay State Senator who got pulled over after leaving a gay club.....wait what????...naaahhhh it 's the family values preached by Idaho Senator  Larry " I'm not gay" Craig ...yeah the dude that was caught in a police sting in a men's room at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport.  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: jtsunami on March 22, 2010, 11:24:23 AM
Ask doctors how much they are going to like this.  I have family members in the medical community, and many doctors are in an outrage right now.  Medicare patients are being denied left and right already.  This bill is going to drive the good docs out of the country so they can make the money they've earned through years of schooling and residency.  Many doctors will be retiring early.  I'm in an MBA program where doctors are enrolling so they can sit on boards and make money that way, as the money is leaving the medical profession.  QUALITY health care is going to die on the vine with this bill, just wait and see.

doctors make way too much money as it is, if you get into a profession for the money you got into it for the wrong reason, you should follow your passion in life.

Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: thelamefalsehood on March 22, 2010, 11:47:00 AM
doctors make way too much money as it is, if you get into a profession for the money you got into it for the wrong reason, you should follow your passion in life.



Still an idiot I see. What do you do for a living Jtsunami?
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Top Dog on March 22, 2010, 12:19:06 PM
It's very simple......people with jobs who pay taxes are going to pay for it and those who don't will reap all the rewards. It's what this administration represents and has wanted all along.   Tax and spend us into oblivian.  Sad day.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: The Showstoppa on March 22, 2010, 12:28:04 PM
doctors make way too much money as it is, if you get into a profession for the money you got into it for the wrong reason, you should follow your passion in life.



Translation: your profession of sucking cockage doesn't pay that well....but you damn sure enjoy the work.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: jtsunami on March 22, 2010, 12:38:32 PM
lol I see I have pissed off the elitist rich folks here, I am not going to get into an argument when all your argument is just based on getting as much money as possible anyway possible.



Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: funk51 on March 22, 2010, 01:37:42 PM
this is what you have when you have an election and your choice is between garbage and shit. the better one's gonna win but it still stinks.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: delta9mda on March 22, 2010, 02:48:39 PM
I didn't like this bill at all.  it's extremely unfair to 270 million of us.  And 30 mil people are gonna love it.


However, Coach, most people aren't political junkies like you and me.  Most people will see some aol news headline about this, then move on to see what is on "Chuck" on NBC on monday night.  

In 250 days, a lot of people will forget.
240, do not think that this will go away or the people will forget.
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: Mr Nobody on March 22, 2010, 05:59:43 PM
Fuck yea free dope and weed
Hell yea Big.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: jtsunami on March 22, 2010, 07:00:40 PM
240, do not think that this will go away or the people will forget.

who won't forget, the rich folk that don't really make up that much of the population to begin with.  Those are the ones making the most noise.  The rest are just brainwashed by Rush and Beck and will take anything they say as truth since they are uneducated.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 22, 2010, 08:23:55 PM
who won't forget, the rich folk that don't really make up that much of the population to begin with.  Those are the ones making the most noise.  The rest are just brainwashed by Rush and Beck and will take anything they say as truth since they are uneducated.

I'll ask you the same thing I asked Tbombz (who never answered). What are your aspirations in life?
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: The_Leafy_Bug on March 22, 2010, 08:29:05 PM
I'll ask you the same thing I asked Tbombz (who never answered). What are your aspirations in life?
Why come you always misspell everything? It's always rediculous or dyer straits or something sticky stud related. Is that just general stupidity or a lack of concern for grammar and spelling?
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: chaos on March 22, 2010, 08:29:56 PM
doctors make way too much money as it is, if you get into a profession for the money you got into it for the wrong reason, you should follow your passion in life.


So how's sucking dick working out for you?
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: kiwiol on March 22, 2010, 08:30:15 PM
I'll ask you the same thing I asked Tbombz (who never answered). What are your aspirations in life?

Probably to eat more cock single-handedly than the entire customer base of the KFC chain worldwide.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: thelamefalsehood on March 22, 2010, 08:31:22 PM
who won't forget, the rich folk that don't really make up that much of the population to begin with.  Those are the ones making the most noise.  The rest are just brainwashed by Rush and Beck and will take anything they say as truth since they are uneducated.

Middle America won't forget. You think only the rich are opposed to this, newsflash---most Americans don't support this, not just the rich. Talking to you is like talking to a wall though, so I don't know why anyone even tries.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Cavalier22 on March 22, 2010, 08:33:54 PM
"The last guy was the best. The fucking apex of wingnut. Said he was opposed to the bill and govt. involvement in healthcare. That, unfortunately, healthcare was a privilege, not a right. And most gloriously, that neither he nor his wife had health insurance because they couldn't afford it. They hoped to have it one day, but not from the government. JESUS. FUCKING. CHRIST. Jesus. Jesus. Ladies and gentlemen of the Democratic leadership, that is the base of the opposition party. There is no reasoning with a person that far gone from reality. A person who'd literally rather die than possibly step on the toes of the wealthy he worships.I'm sorry, but this has to be said: the right-wing is a cancer on our nation. The people that comprise their base are the most irrational, unreasonable, and dangerous bloc of citizens in our nation. They are insane. I truly believe that. They must be marginalized and beaten to a pulp at every turn. To me the best (or worst) part about this bill is that that piece of shit that wasn't "privileged" enough to have healthcare is going to get healthcare, is going to use it thanks to the Democratic Party, and is going to bitch about it, just like the giant waste of space from Delaware. They are truly the lowest form of human life, and are beneath contempt."

Wow...You mean they actually take pride in themselves and don't want a government handout????  yes, they must be the lowest form of human life. 


Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: 240 is Back on March 22, 2010, 08:35:00 PM
The MOMENT obama signs the bill tomorrow...

These insurance reforms will be Effective IMMEDIATELY-------->

Immediate tax credits for small businesses

Drug help for seniors - rebate checks and the donut holes go away

Ins companies can no longer deny coverage for pre-existing conditions



in 90 days...

All kids get covered.

You can no longer be dropped if you get sick.

No more lifetime limits on benefits

Kids can now be covered until age 26 - not 22 as it is now.


jan 21, 2011

Ins companies much pay 80-85% of their revenues to

Free medicacare PREVENTIVE CARE



AND yes, Republicans want a TOTAL REPEAL OF ALL THESE THINGS.



Of course, this is the positive view of things.  But which of these things do you absolutely love, and which do you hate?
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Cavalier22 on March 22, 2010, 08:45:34 PM
The minute it gets passed, we will be headed towards (with the rosiest estimates) a further 2000 billion dollars in debt in 10 years.

Besides, how do you know it will pass tomorrow?
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: 240 is Back on March 22, 2010, 08:53:42 PM
I dunno... it would be shocking to see obama not sign it.

A lot of those items arne't all bad.   Very sad the republicans didn't enact SOME of them in the 12 years they owned congress.  They just ignored healthcare all that time. 
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Cavalier22 on March 22, 2010, 09:03:42 PM
Well, it has to go back to the Senate

And if 51 don't vote against EVERY amendment then it has to go back to the house.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: chaos on March 22, 2010, 09:06:51 PM
I dunno... it would be shocking to see obama not sign it.

A lot of those items arne't all bad.   Very sad the republicans didn't enact SOME of them in the 12 years they owned congress.  They just ignored healthcare all that time. 
Funny how healthcare has taken precedence over the economy and putting people back into jobs so they can pay for their own healthcare.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: JaggyShortBuff on March 22, 2010, 09:27:14 PM
Nationalized healthcare will get pushed through and America will lose medical talent in the following years. Soon, American's will be leaving the country to get specialized treatment the same way Canadians come to the U.S. to get specialized healthcare....Go figure...Saving my pennies to persue life in the next great country....
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 22, 2010, 09:29:45 PM
Why come you always misspell everything? It's always rediculous or dyer straits or something sticky stud related. Is that just general stupidity or a lack of concern for grammar and spelling?

Here comes a third 20 year old MTV liberal with his head up his ass who still lives with his parents, doesn't pay taxes, Vote or have a job ::)

Ironic that you misspelled "ridiculous". Fuck!
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: JaggyShortBuff on March 22, 2010, 09:31:08 PM
Here comes a third 20 year old MTV liberal with his head up his ass who still lives with his parents, doesn't pay taxes, Vote or have a job ::)

Ironic that you misspelled "ridiculous". Fuck!

 ;D
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: jtsunami on March 22, 2010, 09:34:25 PM
I'll ask you the same thing I asked Tbombz (who never answered). What are your aspirations in life?

To one day achieve a nice happy life, not drive a luxury car or posses the most expensive things, but to live comfortably.  I do not want a huge house, fancy watch, or designer clothes.  Although I am on my way to achieving my goal, I am not to the point where I can comfortably say I am there, I am on my way.

And why with the insults of sucking dick whoever said that, really has nothing to do with this thread ?

Middle America for the most part supports it, even if all you hear on conservative media stations them telling you they don't and people calling in, they are just repeating what they hear, middle America isn't having their taxes go up because of it, and they will get better health care in an affordable way in the end.

Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 22, 2010, 09:34:34 PM
The MOMENT obama signs the bill tomorrow...

These insurance reforms will be Effective IMMEDIATELY-------->

Immediate tax credits for small businesses

Drug help for seniors - rebate checks and the donut holes go away

Ins companies can no longer deny coverage for pre-existing conditions



in 90 days...

All kids get covered.

You can no longer be dropped if you get sick.

No more lifetime limits on benefits

Kids can now be covered until age 26 - not 22 as it is now.


jan 21, 2011

Ins companies much pay 80-85% of their revenues to

Free medicacare PREVENTIVE CARE



AND yes, Republicans want a TOTAL REPEAL OF ALL THESE THINGS.



Of course, this is the positive view of things.  But which of these things do you absolutely love, and which do you hate?

Cause we're going...er, already broke and we're going to be taxed out the ass. I asked a client of mine how the new health care will effect his company his reply was....."We're not sure, but we figure an EXTRA 1.5-2mil per year"........great bill ::)
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: JaggyShortBuff on March 22, 2010, 09:37:20 PM
AWW the American dream; making a good living for yourself only to pay for the rest of the country to bring you to their free loading level....
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 22, 2010, 09:37:41 PM
To one day achieve a nice happy life, not drive a luxury car or posses the most expensive things, but to live comfortably.  I do not want a huge house, fancy watch, or designer clothes.  Although I am on my way to achieving my goal, I am not to the point where I can comfortably say I am there, I am on my way.

And why with the insults of sucking dick whoever said that, really has nothing to do with this thread ?

Middle America for the most part supports it, even if all you hear on conservative media stations them telling you they don't and people calling in, they are just repeating what they hear, middle America isn't having their taxes go up because of it, and they will get better health care in an affordable way in the end.



Nothing wrong with that.....do you expect the rich or the government to make that life happen?
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 22, 2010, 09:38:34 PM
AWW the American dream; making a good living for yourself only to pay for the rest of the country to bring you to their free loading level....
Yup!
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Relentless on March 22, 2010, 09:43:47 PM
doctors make way too much money as it is, if you get into a profession for the money you got into it for the wrong reason, you should follow your passion in life.

Sounds like you dont make any money.  What's your passion in life?
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 22, 2010, 09:45:22 PM
Sounds like you dont make any money.  What's your passion in life?

He's 19, doesn't have a job or pay taxes and lives with his parents. Just like Tbombz and Leafy Bug.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: anabolicguru on March 22, 2010, 09:46:40 PM
We all want to live christian value lives and have everyone live free, BUT I and MY family just want to be above you and be able to have my way with you and your family and country :)
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: kiwiol on March 22, 2010, 09:47:09 PM
And why with the insults of sucking dick whoever said that, really has nothing to do with this thread ?

Trolling is my business and business is good ;D
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Relentless on March 22, 2010, 09:47:41 PM
Coach you sound like the typical angry white man Actually, it sounds like you're making a racist, stereotypical comment., pissed off that a black man is in the white house and now like the rest of the loony right you resort to petty name calling; "obama is a communist" "the dems do not care about family values" blah blah.

Your life will not be any different under healthcare than it is now, this effects the 40 million Americans without healthcare It's impossible to know exactly how all of this will play out. We'll know the benefits and/or consequences 5-10 years from now. You realize that America is the only deveoped country without healthcare till now? UK, Canada and the rest of the G8 all have healthcare and they are not communist hell holes like you think. Canda is a very nice place to live. So calm down with the angry retoric Rush Limbaugh coach.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: chaos on March 22, 2010, 09:49:05 PM
Californians Mexicans will be the biggest recipient of the health care bill.
:o
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Relentless on March 22, 2010, 09:49:45 PM
He's 19, doesn't have a job or pay taxes and lives with his parents. Just like Tbombz and Leafy Bug.

I haven't agreed with you on some issues, but I do think this guy is straight out of the tool shed.  A classic village idiot.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Relentless on March 22, 2010, 09:51:41 PM
lol I see I have pissed off the elitist rich folks here, I am not going to get into an argument when all your argument is just based on getting as much money as possible anyway possible.

Yes, you know, Getbig.com has many "elitist rich folks" hanging around.

Keep wallowing in your stupidity, "jtsunami." 
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: chaos on March 22, 2010, 09:53:22 PM
Trolling is my business and business is good ;D
I was "in" before you, trolliol.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: kiwiol on March 22, 2010, 10:04:24 PM
I was "in" before you, trolliol.

Oh brother, clan down STella, it's just the internets
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: chaos on March 22, 2010, 10:08:00 PM
Oh brother, clan down STella, it's just the internets
:-X
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: ShipSekki on March 22, 2010, 10:10:28 PM
 When I go back to America i'm going to sign up for welfare and let all the hard working people support my lazy ass well I deal drugs under the table to make cash. It's going to be awesome.

 You all better get to work on time tommorrow. I want a piece of your paycheck, Mother Fuckers.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: kiwiol on March 22, 2010, 10:13:10 PM
:-X

 ;D
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: ManBearPig... on March 23, 2010, 12:19:57 AM
firenancypelosi.com
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: ShipSekki on March 23, 2010, 12:21:39 AM
firenancypelosi.com

 Fire Nancy Pelosi and another corrupt and shitty politician will just replace her .com
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: Rome on March 23, 2010, 04:13:26 AM
IF THE PARENTS OF THOSE INNOCENT AMERICAN CHILDREN DIDN'T CARE TO WORK HARD ENOUGH TO AFFORD HEALTH CARE....WHY THE FUCK WOULD I CARE?
THIS is the kind of elitist, "I don't give a shit about anybody else" attidude that will be the decline of our society, NOT health care reform.

Many poor people do hard manual labor for very low wages. Sometimes 2 jobs. If you were never fortunate enough to have access to a decent education, everything is more difficult for you and many people in that situation have to work harder.
You think a guy sitting in an office trading shitty stocks works harder than a guy who does construction AND some part time jobs on the side to just to pay his bills?

Really?
It's not all about work ethic Einstein.
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: lax on March 23, 2010, 04:55:09 AM
In elementary school IQ tests now for Gifted entrance, you get FIFTEEN extra points for being poor.

So, a poor kid with a 115 IQ will take the slot of a middle class kid with an 129 IQ.

fucking disgusting
WEAKNESS
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: 240 is Back on March 23, 2010, 05:06:58 AM
welcome back lax!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: Petrucci on March 23, 2010, 05:08:56 AM
America takes its first step into becoming a 3rd world country!


next on the ajenda : smart students required to give up 10% points to the stupid ones so they can pass also...its their right  >:(


score 1 for panhandling!

i guess maybe not everyone in usa are intelligent and hard work as you ....


you should thank that you DONT need this kind of help to be a successful person in life, because there are people that do need that
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: lax on March 23, 2010, 05:10:44 AM
Repubs took a beating tonight.

November 2, 2010
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: The_Leafy_Bug on March 23, 2010, 05:42:19 AM
Here comes a third 20 year old MTV liberal with his head up his ass who still lives with his parents, doesn't pay taxes, Vote or have a job ::)

Ironic that you misspelled "ridiculous". Fuck!
Hahahah please tell me you are not that stupid... PLEASE tell me you haven't forgot the past. Do i really need to run you off this board again and cause you to melt and come back on a gimmick? I am very aware of how to spell ridiculous.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Armstrong on March 23, 2010, 06:46:38 AM
When do I get to stop paying my insurance premiums?
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: shootfighter1 on March 23, 2010, 07:09:58 AM
16,000 new IRS agents to police healthcare coming.  New gov agencies and commissions created with this bill.

There are good provisions but people must look deeper into the bill to see that it is a bad bill overall.  They should have passed several good provisions as a package instead of this 2700 page, costly monster.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Relentless on March 23, 2010, 07:23:21 AM
Barack lied. You still have to pay for kfc.

I think we can say with close to 100% certainty that, Barack, like many politicians, misrepresented himself and his intentions during the 2008 campaign.  He never would have been elected with this health care overhaul as a selling point.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: shootfighter1 on March 23, 2010, 07:32:26 AM
I think he would have still been elected because of the feeling in the nation at that time and many people did want some healthcare reform (after fixing the economy) but not in the fashion it was done over the past year. He definitely misrepresented himself in some ways... as a centrist and uniter in the general campaign.  Look at his history, he is a champion for the poor, the minority community, a community activist and believes strongly in the progressive liberal movement.  It's not an insult at all, that's just who he is.  People just didn't look hard enough and got swept up in the movement, rhetoric, the historic election and his impressive speeches.  He is a talented, intelligent politician but he is not a centrist in any way.
I like that we have a black president, I just wish he wasn't a liberal progressive.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Relentless on March 23, 2010, 07:33:10 AM
To one day achieve a nice happy life, not drive a luxury car or posses the most expensive things, but to live comfortably.  I do not want a huge house, fancy watch, or designer clothes.  Although I am on my way to achieving my goal, I am not to the point where I can comfortably say I am there, I am on my way.
So what are you doing to achieve this goal?  You are going to have a much more difficult time accomplishing this than your predecessors.

And why with the insults of sucking dick whoever said that, really has nothing to do with this thread ?

Middle America for the most part supports it, even if all you hear on conservative media stations them telling you they don't and people calling in, they are just repeating what they hear, middle America isn't having their taxes go up because of it, and they will get better health care in an affordable way in the end.
NO, middle America DOES NOT support this bill.  You have no idea what you're talking about.  The left-wingers are greatly concentrated on the two coasts.

Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Relentless on March 23, 2010, 07:37:18 AM
I think he would have still been elected because of the feeling in the nation at that time and many people did want some healthcare reform (after fixing the economy) but not in the fashion it was done over the past year. He definitely misrepresented himself in some ways... as a centrist and uniter in the general campaign.  Look at his history, he is a champion for the poor, the minority community, a community activist and believes strongly in the progressive liberal movement.  It's not an insult at all, that's just who he is.  People just didn't look hard enough and got swept up in the movement, rhetoric, the historic election and his impressive speeches.  He is a talented, intelligent politician but he is not a centrist in any way.
I like that we have a black president, I just wish he wasn't a liberal progressive.

Like many others, I voted for him on the promise of a better approach to foreign policy. Bush was a foreign policy nightmare, and Obama looked to be the polished, articulate antithesis of GW.  Unfortunately, Obama has turned out to be marginally better than Bush in foreign policy matters and is MAINLY a SOCIAL REFORMER. 
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 23, 2010, 07:47:28 AM
Hahahah please tell me you are not that stupid... PLEASE tell me you haven't forgot the past. Do i really need to run you off this board again and cause you to melt and come back on a gimmick? I am very aware of how to spell ridiculous.

Let me remind you until you came back on here last night and started shit that I know your name, what city you live and where you train plus I have the means....don't underestimate me you little bastard.

Past? You mean the past where you cut and paste my board name? That past?
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: pluck on March 23, 2010, 07:53:31 AM
I think he would have still been elected because of the feeling in the nation at that time and many people did want some healthcare reform (after fixing the economy) but not in the fashion it was done over the past year. He definitely misrepresented himself in some ways...

You are correct sir. Other than the black and truly liberal votes the people that voted for him were the ones that voted against McCain. That may have sounded wierd. The voters were afraid of another Bush and then we had Palin to go along with it.

A lot of voters weren't really on board with Obama's platform, he got votes because of a lack of a better option.

I've worked in a retail pharmacy for a year and now for the past 2 I've worked in a hospital. Our policy at the hospital is to discharge the medicare patients ASAP as soon as their lab results or tests come back ok, as opposed to private insurance patients that we want to stay as long as possible because private insurance pays the cost in a timely manner and the full amount. A lot of doctors won't even see medicare patients, and I know in the bill it says docs will get more money if they see goverment insurance patients but that is a crock of shit because the current system does not work. It takes 6 - 12 months for medicaid and medicare to reimburse the caregiver (pharmacy or doctor or hospital)

Medicare only reimburses the hospital 88 cents on the dollar. Only 88% of the cost is paid for, the other 12% is written off as a loss. When a hospital dishes out millions of dollars worth of services the 12% loss comes out to a significant number.

What I'm getting at is when the government will control a large portion of health insurance, nothing will change as far as timely reimbursement and FULL reimbursement. Why do you think that Walgreens will no longer accept Medicaid patients as of April 16th or 18th?
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: The Showstoppa on March 23, 2010, 07:53:54 AM
Like many others, I voted for him on the promise of a better approach to foreign policy. Bush was a foreign policy nightmare, and Obama looked to be the polished, articulate antithesis of GW.  Unfortunately, Obama has turned out to be marginally better than Bush in foreign policy matters and is MAINLY a SOCIAL REFORMER. 

not trying to be a jackass, but why would you think Obama would have been better at foreign policy?  He had ZERO experience doing it and he campaigned more on the social reform platform.

I think the key word is "articulate."  I heard others before the election mentioning that....he is nothing more than the cult of personality personified.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Relentless on March 23, 2010, 08:05:12 AM
not trying to be a jackass, but why would you think Obama would have been better at foreign policy?  He had ZERO experience doing it and he campaigned more on the social reform platform.

I think the key word is "articulate."  I heard others before the election mentioning that....he is nothing more than the cult of personality personified.

Well, the other choice was McCain, who was talking about endless wars.  Let's also not forget Sarah Palin was in the equation, and that was out of the question.  I overlooked Obama's lack of experience based on his demeanor and words.  Was this a big mistake?  I don't like what he's doing, but I'm not sure McCain would be any better.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: 240 is Back on March 23, 2010, 08:07:23 AM
Palin supports amnesty for illlegals.
Palin supported the bank bailout bill.
Palin supports capping emissions, known as Cap/Trade.


She's pretty liberal herself.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Relentless on March 23, 2010, 08:08:08 AM
You are correct sir. Other than the black and truly liberal votes the people that voted for him were the ones that voted against McCain. That may have sounded wierd. The voters were afraid of another Bush and then we had Palin to go along with it.

A lot of voters weren't really on board with Obama's platform, he got votes because of a lack of a better option.

I've worked in a retail pharmacy for a year and now for the past 2 I've worked in a hospital. Our policy at the hospital is to discharge the medicare patients ASAP as soon as their lab results or tests come back ok, as opposed to private insurance patients that we want to stay as long as possible because private insurance pays the cost in a timely manner and the full amount. A lot of doctors won't even see medicare patients, and I know in the bill it says docs will get more money if they see goverment insurance patients but that is a crock of shit because the current system does not work. It takes 6 - 12 months for medicaid and medicare to reimburse the caregiver (pharmacy or doctor or hospital)

Medicare only reimburses the hospital 88 cents on the dollar. Only 88% of the cost is paid for, the other 12% is written off as a loss. When a hospital dishes out millions of dollars worth of services the 12% loss comes out to a significant number.

What I'm getting at is when the government will control a large portion of health insurance, nothing will change as far as timely reimbursement and FULL reimbursement. Why do you think that Walgreens will no longer accept Medicaid patients as of April 16th or 18th?

Great post!  My mother is an oncologist and her group will no longer accept Medicare patients. She also said many of her partners are getting out of medicine and retiring early or going into other fields.  In 10 years from now, our medical and health care system will be unrecognizable.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Relentless on March 23, 2010, 08:10:27 AM
Palin supports amnesty for illlegals.
Palin supported the bank bailout bill.
Palin supports capping emissions, known as Cap/Trade.


She's pretty liberal herself.

Palin isn't even worth talking about.  She's a joke and the Republicans will ditch her after she humiliates herself in 2012 when she tries to run for President.  Romney, Thune, Brown, Cantor...there are plenty of decent candidates to run against Obama in 2012.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: 240 is Back on March 23, 2010, 08:13:52 AM
'Palin isn't even worth talking about.  She's a joke and the Republicans will ditch her after she humiliates herself in 2012 when she tries to run for President.  Romney, Thune, Brown, Cantor...there are plenty of decent candidates to run against Obama in 2012.'


I dunno... I agree she's a joke, and most qualified repubs know this, but they're nice to her to get her support in 2012 once she drops out.

But she is the most recognized republican in america.  Intrade.com has her at 21.6% chance of getting the repub nod in 2012... more than anyone else. 

I would LOVE for the repubs to run a pawlenty or great candidate to whip obama.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Relentless on March 23, 2010, 08:16:05 AM
'Palin isn't even worth talking about.  She's a joke and the Republicans will ditch her after she humiliates herself in 2012 when she tries to run for President.  Romney, Thune, Brown, Cantor...there are plenty of decent candidates to run against Obama in 2012.'


I dunno... I agree she's a joke, and most qualified repubs know this, but they're nice to her to get her support in 2012 once she drops out. EXACTLY. She's just being used right now while she still holds some political value.

But she is the most recognized republican in america.  Intrade.com has her at 21.6% chance of getting the repub nod in 2012... more than anyone else.  I dont know anything about intrade.com, but she's not going to make it.  If she does and Obama wins again, I'm applying for a visa to Australia.

I would LOVE for the repubs to run a pawlenty or great candidate to whip obama. Me too!
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: 240 is Back on March 23, 2010, 08:23:08 AM
the problem is, you'll have 10 republican candiates licking their chops to destroy obama in 2012.

Five of them will be REALLY GOOD and make it to the final rounds of the primary.  Palin will have the braindead religious fanatics and tea party members in her pocket, probably earning the stupidest 30% of republican voters.  The other 5 people will have to split the other 70% vote.

That is the worst case scenario - that republicans will actually divide themselves up.  Instead of uniting behind an awesome candidate, they'll have palin slurring about 'you betcha' while obama brags about actual experience now.

I gotta admit, it's hilarious seeing her on FOX.  last night, she was reading her teleprompter answers so fast in response to the quesitons hannity gave her.  Detailed sentences with supports, multiple points, perfect punctuation and huge words.

Then, her asked a few folluw up questions, and it was the same old palin!  Run-on sentences, silly primary words, repeating herself, and a general lack of depth.  It was like two different palins. 

So that is the one hope.  When she's on the stump trying to get the nomination, she can't read from a teleprompter.  I know obama gets shit for using a telrprompter now, but he spent 22 months on the road, speaking 14 hours a day to reporters and people without one.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: The Showstoppa on March 23, 2010, 09:09:21 AM
Well, the other choice was McCain, who was talking about endless wars.  Let's also not forget Sarah Palin was in the equation, and that was out of the question.  I overlooked Obama's lack of experience based on his demeanor and words.  Was this a big mistake?  I don't like what he's doing, but I'm not sure McCain would be any better.

Fair enough, but I think all McCain was doing was telling the truth in regards to combat in the ME, whereas Obama was obviously just paying lip service as he really hasn't done anything different than probably what McCain did.  Palin wasn't qualified as a VP, which was a huge mistake, but the slim chance of her becoming president didn't outweigh my thoughts on what a disaster Obama is going to be.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Danny on March 23, 2010, 09:42:52 AM
Palin isn't even worth talking about.  She's a joke and the Republicans will ditch her after she humiliates herself in 2012 when she tries to run for President.  Romney, Thune, Brown, Cantor...there are plenty of decent candidates to run against Obama in 2012.

thank you. great post, the woman is simply too dumb to understand she doesn't qualify to do this job. the analogy that comes to mind is fairly descritive I hope,it's like putting somebody that sucks at violin playing in the first chair of the New York Philharmonic to lead the orchestra. ;D
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: shootfighter1 on March 23, 2010, 09:44:57 AM
People mainly wanted a change from Bush, they didn't open their eyes enough to see the progressive agenda that came with Obama.
Relentless, you're right.  I thought the one good thing about Obama is that he may have been able to lessen our military involvement abroad & cut some spending there....which absolutely did not happen.  What did happen is significant social change...and more to come.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Tre on March 23, 2010, 09:48:57 AM
I think we can say with close to 100% certainty that, Barack, like many politicians, misrepresented himself and his intentions during the 2008 campaign.  He never would have been elected with this health care overhaul as a selling point.

Not true.  He said it was a major goal of his administration.

What he lied about was having transparency in the process, something this 'new deal' has not had during its entire journey.

Obama was going to be elected regardless of his platform, but because the nation was so overwhelmingly opposed to UHC, many of us figured that it would never pass, even with the Democratic majority in both the House and Senate. 
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Relentless on March 23, 2010, 10:58:27 AM
Not true.  He said it was a major goal of his administration. The specifics of this health care bill would not have gotten him elected.  Also, the manner of which this bill has been passed is largely distasteful to the American public.  He also ran on a platform that included closing Guantanamo Bay (not going to happen) and withdrawal from Iraq (hasn't happened and likely will not happen).

What he lied about was having transparency in the process, something this 'new deal' has not had during its entire journey. Correct.

Obama was going to be elected regardless of his platform, but because the nation was so overwhelmingly opposed to UHC, many of us figured that it would never pass, even with the Democratic majority in both the House and Senate.  
Now we all know what the nebulous change he spoke of actually means.  Obama is a dyed-in-the-wool social reformist.  Not good.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: tbombz on March 23, 2010, 11:04:22 AM
Not true.  He said it was a major goal of his administration.
 
he said: universal, single payer, government funded healthcare.

we got: a law that requires us to buy a product from a private business or else we pay a fee, and a law that tells private business that they have to, at times, accept bad deals that they will probably lose money on



but because the nation was so overwhelmingly opposed to UHC, many of us figured that it would never pass, even with the Democratic majority in both the House and Senate.  

WRONG

the corporate lobby, and the news media who are tied in with them, created the false image of an America opposed to UHC.

go ask everyperson you find on the street: would you prefer it if you had free access to doctors hospitals medications and all types of medical care?

unanimously the answer would be yes
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: tbombz on March 23, 2010, 11:06:29 AM
I think he would have still been elected because of the feeling in the nation at that time and many people did want some healthcare reform (after fixing the economy) but not in the fashion it was done over the past year. He definitely misrepresented himself in some ways... as a centrist and uniter in the general campaign.  Look at his history, he is a champion for the poor, the minority community, a community activist and believes strongly in the progressive liberal movement.  It's not an insult at all, that's just who he is.  People just didn't look hard enough and got swept up in the movement, rhetoric, the historic election and his impressive speeches.  He is a talented, intelligent politician but he is not a centrist in any way.
I like that we have a black president, I just wish he wasn't a liberal progressive.

ahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dude you are misinformed

Obama: Push over, over compromising, pussy who doesnt follow through and does not understand how to lead


he is extremely book smart
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: jtsunami on March 23, 2010, 12:58:10 PM
THIS is the kind of elitist, "I don't give a shit about anybody else" attidude that will be the decline of our society, NOT health care reform.

Many poor people do hard manual labor for very low wages. Sometimes 2 jobs. If you were never fortunate enough to have access to a decent education, everything is more difficult for you and many people in that situation have to work harder.
You think a guy sitting in an office trading shitty stocks works harder than a guy who does construction AND some part time jobs on the side to just to pay his bills?

Really?
It's not all about work ethic Einstein.

x2
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: jtsunami on March 23, 2010, 01:01:13 PM
Nothing wrong with that.....do you expect the rich or the government to make that life happen?

No, I am working for it.




Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: Mons Venus on March 23, 2010, 01:01:56 PM
America takes its first step into becoming a 3rd world country!


next on the ajenda : smart students required to give up 10% points to the stupid ones so they can pass also...its their right  >:(


score 1 for panhandling!

Why not LEAVE the country if its sooooooooooooo bad?
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Mons Venus on March 23, 2010, 01:03:30 PM
Lets see who's going to take the beating in November.

How'd your Bill Clinton vote work out Coach?
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: The Showstoppa on March 23, 2010, 01:06:04 PM

go ask everyperson you find on the street: would you prefer it if you had free access to doctors hospitals medications and all types of medical care?

unanimously the answer would be yes


And here lies the problem.  It isn't "free."  Yet you ask the question in those terms and people would say yes, but be honest with them and tell them how much it would cost and they balk.....which is why the majority of Americans opposed this bill.
Title: congratulations to the USA
Post by: disco_stu on March 23, 2010, 01:06:04 PM
well done to the US president for bringing modern civilisation to the country despite moronic opposition.

welcome to the rest of the world people.

now you may get that care you need but couldnt afford.

now you know that your loved ones will be cared for if they get sick.

now you know what it's like to live in a society that looks after each other.

now you know what your taxes pay for.

now you can live your lives with compassion instead of blind selfishness.




you have the best leader in the world..with the biggest kahonas, and the greatest vision. embrace it.

and welcome to civilised living...finally.
Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on March 23, 2010, 01:09:06 PM
Oh we know.  20% of our taxes goes to the killing machine military.
Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: G_Thang on March 23, 2010, 01:09:28 PM
NAs too busy worrying he blk instead of him being an upgrade n a more international friendly leader vs the other imbecile.  
Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: Natural Man on March 23, 2010, 01:10:03 PM
yeah welcome in our utopian european nightmare, nice job falling in the trap.

Cant wait to see your economy collapse as unwilling to integrate and assimilate hateful angry racist immigrants start flooding your country while at the same time abusing every privileges they will obtain thanks to the moronic white people working their asses off for em..


Welcome in the occidental decline, dear north america.

2010, the year north america became socialo communist like most of europe.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: disco_stu on March 23, 2010, 01:11:24 PM
the ignorance in this thread is astounding..but not unusual for getbig i guess.

do any of you have an ability to be objective and consider all aspects rather than focus on specific areas when trying to make a point?

i guess obama might be able to fix the abomination of a health care system you had, but he wont be able to fix the collective intelligence..thats a much more difficult proposition.
Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: balight on March 23, 2010, 01:13:38 PM
And welcome to the world, where isurance fees never cover the annual health care expenses and the government has to complete them every year from other funds. Where you pay your taxes, to cure unemployed alcoholicers and drog addicts. We know it for a long time, now you can enjoy it too.



Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: The Showstoppa on March 23, 2010, 01:14:25 PM
the ignorance in this thread is astounding..but not unusual for getbig i guess.

do any of you have an ability to be objective and consider all aspects rather than focus on specific areas when trying to make a point?

i guess obama might be able to fix the abomination of a health care system you had, but he wont be able to fix the collective intelligence..thats a much more difficult proposition.

Are you really this simple?  I think most people think our healthcare system needed an overhaul, but not the idiotic plan that was passed.  Forcing people to purchase govt mandated health insurance, whether private or govt run, is not my idea of a move in the right direction.  and what shithole are you from anyway?
Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: Natural Man on March 23, 2010, 01:25:08 PM
Quote
now you know what it's like to live in a society that looks after each other.


lmao...god are you a 16 yo leftist virgin for fuck sake...i come from europe, do you think they "look after each others" there more than in the US? haha you have no clue.

Hint; grass isnt greener on the other side of the atlantic. You should travel there and live there for some years... Your fantasms about europe are just that; fantasms, in fact europe is sinking deep in every aspect; socialy, economically, racialy and politically.

Nice job using em as a "role model" to follow. Your mostly communist medias and teachers have played a big part into brainswashing the americans as the the exact same people did a great job endoctrinating the europeans in the past 3 decades. And the final destination is the same for both countries now.



Now let's see how the utopian systems will face the flood of the north by the south, globalization and massive social (racial) and economical shocks.
Lets see how the do gooders will deal with people who have no will "to do good" but just want their revenge against the "old" white man who doesnt reproduce much nowadays and seems weaker than ever after destroying most of his own roots and values.

I mean what kind of moron you ve got to be not to see where all of this is going to lead us.

Animals breeding like cockroaches wanting to fight to death , using their kids as cannonfodder for their "cause", craving for money and material goods, mixed together by force with weak minded immature occidental youths playing video games well into their 30s and not caring about having kids anymore or any kind of social responsabilities...

Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: jtsunami on March 23, 2010, 01:27:54 PM
He's 19, doesn't have a job or pay taxes and lives with his parents. Just like Tbombz and Leafy Bug.

I really dunno where you got that from or just made it up

Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: The Showstoppa on March 23, 2010, 01:28:47 PM
I really dunno where you got that from or just made it up



20?
Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: Bobby on March 23, 2010, 01:31:19 PM
yeah welcome in our utopian european nightmare, nice job falling in the trap.

Cant wait to see your economy collapse as unwilling to integrate and assimilate hateful angry racist immigrants start flooding your country while at the same time abusing every privileges they will obtain thanks to the moronic white people working their asses off for em..


Welcome in the occidental decline, dear north america.

2010, the year north america became socialo communist like most of europe.

 :D :D

but without the leeches, the free healthcare is great, maybe we should make it for white people only? ;D
Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: The Showstoppa on March 23, 2010, 01:36:46 PM
:D :D

but without the leeches, the free healthcare is great, maybe we should make it for white people only? ;D

"Will all the black people please leave the hospital."
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: shootfighter1 on March 23, 2010, 02:31:00 PM
tbomz, you give the pres much less credit than I.  Perhaps he is being used more but I think he's a strong will'ed person, just too progressive/social liberal change oriented than I wanted.
Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: G_Thang on March 23, 2010, 02:46:42 PM
"Will all the black people please leave the hospital."

more latinos with mexicans leading the way easily than blacks in the usa n growing...so we/they are going to clean up on this.   white america's ridiculous moronic dumba$$ lack-of-knownledge imbecilic retarded obsession with blks americans = interesting. 

(http://www.truthdig.com/images/eartothegrounduploads/cuba_cigar_350.jpg)
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Mons Venus on March 23, 2010, 02:48:12 PM
Since 1980 Republicans have owned the White House (except for Clinton) and did NOTHING regarding Health Care/ Insurance Reform.

Essentially they got what they deserved. So quit complaining.



Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: tbombz on March 23, 2010, 02:48:22 PM

And here lies the problem.  It isn't "free."  Yet you ask the question in those terms and people would say yes, but be honest with them and tell them how much it would cost and they balk.....which is why the majority of Americans opposed this bill.
hey ignorant individual, we already have plenty of money tyo pay fr universal healthcare. the amount of money that the government spends on its version of 'healthcare" is MORE THAN ENOUGH to pay for a universal healthcare system.

the united states spends almost $5,000 per person per year on health care.

that number is more than double the closest competitor switzerland. and 5 times the worldwide average.

we can have universal healthcare at a LOWER cost than what we pay now for our "healthcare" that doesnt cover anybody or anything

stop spreading misinformation

Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: JaggyShortBuff on March 23, 2010, 02:55:31 PM
Ohh Canada....What will you do now, when you want specialized healthcare that goes beyond your oh so great nationalized plan????
Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: tbombz on March 23, 2010, 02:56:03 PM
well done to the US president for bringing modern civilisation to the country despite moronic opposition.

welcome to the rest of the world people.

now you may get that care you need but couldnt afford.

now you know that your loved ones will be cared for if they get sick.

now you know what it's like to live in a society that looks after each other.

now you know what your taxes pay for.

now you can live your lives with compassion instead of blind selfishness.




you have the best leader in the world..with the biggest kahonas, and the greatest vision. embrace it.

and welcome to civilised living...finally.
that would be true if we had some kind of real reform inacted..but there wasnt any.   :)
Title: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: tbombz on March 23, 2010, 02:58:53 PM
Let the truth be a beacon of light in the dark


# 1    United States: $4,631.00 per capita   
# 2    Switzerland: $3,222.00 per capita   
# 3    Germany: $2,748.00 per capita   
# 4    Iceland: $2,608.00 per capita   
# 5    Canada: $2,535.00 per capita   
# 6    Denmark: $2,420.00 per capita   
# 7    France: $2,349.00 per capita   
= 8    Belgium: $2,268.00 per capita   
= 8    Norway: $2,268.00 per capita   
# 10    Netherlands: $2,246.00 per capita
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Relentless on March 23, 2010, 03:31:10 PM
Let the truth be a beacon of light in the dark


# 1    United States: $4,631.00 per capita   
# 2    Switzerland: $3,222.00 per capita   
# 3    Germany: $2,748.00 per capita   
# 4    Iceland: $2,608.00 per capita   
# 5    Canada: $2,535.00 per capita   
# 6    Denmark: $2,420.00 per capita   
# 7    France: $2,349.00 per capita   
= 8    Belgium: $2,268.00 per capita   
= 8    Norway: $2,268.00 per capita   
# 10    Netherlands: $2,246.00 per capita


Yes, Tbombz, we need the cheapest health care possible here in the USA.

Bring on the CHEAP health care! 
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 23, 2010, 03:32:46 PM
Haha, you're freaking high. i posted this yesterday. I have a client that has a huge insurance business and I asked him yesterday how this clusterfuck is going to effect his business, his response was..."We're not sure yet, but we figure it's going to cost us an EXTRA $1.5-2mil per year, it's going to hurt us".

Tbombz, you're in the wrong country.
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: io856 on March 23, 2010, 03:33:28 PM
The Coach isn't known for his intelligence anyway
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Relentless on March 23, 2010, 03:34:05 PM
Haha, you're freaking high. i posted this yesterday. I have a client that has a huge insurance business and I asked him yesterday how this clusterfuck is going to effect his business, his response was..."We're not sure yet, but we figure it's going to cost us an EXTRA $1.5-2mil per year, it's going to hurt us".

Tbombz, you're in the wrong country.

Come on Coach, its CHEAP!!  

CHEAP HEALTH CARE FOR ALL, NOW PLAYING IN THE USA! WOOO HOOO!  ::)
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Mons Venus on March 23, 2010, 03:35:20 PM
hey ignorant individual, we already have plenty of money tyo pay fr universal healthcare. the amount of money that the government spends on its version of 'healthcare" is MORE THAN ENOUGH to pay for a universal healthcare system.

the united states spends almost $5,000 per person per year on health care.

that number is more than double the closest competitor switzerland. and 5 times the worldwide average.

we can have universal healthcare at a LOWER cost than what we pay now for our "healthcare" that doesnt cover anybody or anything

stop spreading misinformation



Showstoppa bitchslapped by tbombz!  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Relentless on March 23, 2010, 03:35:46 PM
The Coach isn't known for his intelligence anyway

And neither is tbombz. 
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 23, 2010, 03:39:07 PM
Come on Coach, its CHEAP!!  

CHEAP HEALTH CARE FOR ALL, NOW PLAYING IN THE USA! WOOO HOOO!  ::)

You know what? You're right, lets get the CHEAPEST insurance available. Who cares if cancer patients need multiple tests to get the diagnosis right, like Obama said, you're only going to need ONE test because it's CHEAPER!
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: DK II on March 23, 2010, 03:40:03 PM
Wow, i see Squadfather making a huge comeback on getbig, now that he has health insurance!!

Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Mons Venus on March 23, 2010, 03:41:09 PM
Haha, you're freaking high. i posted this yesterday. I have a client that has a huge insurance business and I asked him yesterday how this clusterfuck is going to effect his business, his response was..."We're not sure yet, but we figure it's going to cost us an EXTRA $1.5-2mil per year, it's going to hurt us".

Tbombz, you're in the wrong country.

Since 1980 the GOP has owned the White House (except for Coach's guy Clinton) and did NOTHING to address Health Care/Insurance reform.

The GOP had plenty of time to address the issue but IGNORED it.

So STFU and deal with it!
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 23, 2010, 03:45:05 PM
Since 1980 the GOP has owned the White House (except for Coach's guy Clinton) and did NOTHING to address Health Care/Insurance reform.

The GOP had plenty of time to address the issue but IGNORED it.

So STFU and deal with it!

So this is what they come up with? A plan to financially destroy the country? Good fucking plan!

Quick question......were you in OUR military?
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Danny on March 23, 2010, 03:55:34 PM
so..the bill is a good thing now??  ;D

http://www.gallup.com/poll/126929/Slim-Margin-Americans-Support-Healthcare-Bill-Passage.aspx (ftp://http://www.gallup.com/poll/126929/Slim-Margin-Americans-Support-Healthcare-Bill-Passage.aspx)
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 23, 2010, 04:01:06 PM
Dude....you have rich parents, which allows you to live without the pressure of bills and be a perpetual student. Nothing wrong with that...good for you.

But stop acting like you are fucking H. Ross Perot and you built a multi-biliion dollar company from scratch and the Gov't wants to take it from you.

duuuude my parents made their $ in the 3rd world...
NOT my fault if your couldn't do the same living in the first world...so quit throwing that in my face
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 23, 2010, 04:02:58 PM
Even though Toxie comes from a privledged background doesn't mean he can't create his own wealth otherwise he wouldn't be studying 14 hours a day, he's not lazy and I believe he knows the value of working hard.

trust me i fucked around for a long time....but parents past hard work allowed me to do so....but past yr sometimes i've spent so much time studying that sometimes i literally feel physically ill walking out of my room or the library
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Montague on March 23, 2010, 04:03:14 PM
Quick question......were you in OUR military?


Is that a rhetorical question?
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 23, 2010, 04:05:26 PM
You can't have dumb without smart, right?

You study 14 hours a day? damn you must be dumb...

no...i went thru college hardly studying and at age 15
it takes someone like me 14 hrs a day to pass one of the hardest tests on the planet (CCIE)  ..
for you....its impossible...no matter how much time u spend :-\
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: Mr Nobody on March 23, 2010, 04:06:39 PM
no...i went thru college hardly studying and at age 15
it takes someone like me 14 hrs a day to pass one of the hardest tests on the planet (CCIE)  ..
for you....its impossible...no matter how much time u spend :-\
CCIE is rough man.
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 23, 2010, 04:07:31 PM
.  I am getting my MBA, I am a hardworking individual. 

get your MBA and then pay for you health insurance


who told u to get health insurance while being a student.....r you that fucking weak that u get sick ALL the time at a young age :-\
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 23, 2010, 04:09:02 PM
I love how people consider Health care communist.

Yes... Stalin was out there trying to give people healthcare.

That's the big legacy of Old Red Star Joe there.
 ::)

ok holmes...i DONT want healthcare....i'm healthy..
under obammers plan I STILL GOTTA FUCKING BUY IT..or pay a penalty....WHY???
to pay for social mooches
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 23, 2010, 04:10:05 PM
i guess maybe not everyone in usa are intelligent and hard work as you ....




o there r tonnes like me....

the r called republicans :-*
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Earl1972 on March 23, 2010, 04:10:49 PM
Nanny state in the house!  Let's see how many bright young minds will be applying to medical school now?

This bill is a fuckin joke.

maybe i'm a bit naive, but don't some people get into the medical field because they want to help people? :-\

E
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 23, 2010, 04:11:30 PM
Why not LEAVE the country if its sooooooooooooo bad?


great country......retard president ;)
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 23, 2010, 04:25:02 PM
CCIE is rough man.

on that note...back to my lab >:(
Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: TEsticles on March 23, 2010, 05:08:37 PM

lmao...god are you a 16 yo leftist virgin for fuck sake...i come from europe, do you think they "look after each others" there more than in the US? haha you have no clue.

Hint; grass isnt greener on the other side of the atlantic. You should travel there and live there for some years... Your fantasms about europe are just that; fantasms, in fact europe is sinking deep in every aspect; socialy, economically, racialy and politically.

Nice job using em as a "role model" to follow. Your mostly communist medias and teachers have played a big part into brainswashing the americans as the the exact same people did a great job endoctrinating the europeans in the past 3 decades. And the final destination is the same for both countries now.



Now let's see how the utopian systems will face the flood of the north by the south, globalization and massive social (racial) and economical shocks.
Lets see how the do gooders will deal with people who have no will "to do good" but just want their revenge against the "old" white man who doesnt reproduce much nowadays and seems weaker than ever after destroying most of his own roots and values.

I mean what kind of moron you ve got to be not to see where all of this is going to lead us.

Animals breeding like cockroaches wanting to fight to death , using their kids as cannonfodder for their "cause", craving for money and material goods, mixed together by force with weak minded immature occidental youths playing video games well into their 30s and not caring about having kids anymore or any kind of social responsabilities...


x2
Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: polychronopolous on March 23, 2010, 05:15:27 PM
more latinos with mexicans leading the way easily than blacks in the usa n growing...so we/they are going to clean up on this.   white america's "G_Thangs" ridiculous moronic dumba$$ lack-of-knownledge imbecilic retarded obsession with blk white americans = interesting. 


LOL, another day, another racially driven post by G_thang

Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Doug_Steele on March 23, 2010, 05:18:08 PM
maybe i'm a bit naive, but don't some people get into the medical field because they want to help people? :-\

E

I just came back from a specialist that i was at for four fucking hours and he is pissed about this bill.  8)
Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on March 23, 2010, 05:28:46 PM
well done to the US president for bringing modern civilisation to the country despite moronic opposition.

welcome to the rest of the world people.

now you may get that care you need but couldnt afford.

now you know that your loved ones will be cared for if they get sick.

now you know what it's like to live in a society that looks after each other.

now you know what your taxes pay for.

now you can live your lives with compassion instead of blind selfishness.




you have the best leader in the world..with the biggest kahonas, and the greatest vision. embrace it.

and welcome to civilised living...finally.

Americans use to have the freedom to take care of themselves and determine their own destiny.  

Now look at our pathetic state, stealing from the rich everyone to take care of those that refuse to take care of themselves.

I'd be especially irritated if I was one of the many immigrants that worked hard for years to come here, just to see the United States be destroyed (coming closer and closer to being like the countries they came from) by corrupt politicians, uncivilized Mexican criminals and people who want something for nothing.
Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: kh300 on March 23, 2010, 05:40:06 PM
LOL. Do you actually think our government cares about our well being? Wake the fuck up!!!
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Relentless on March 23, 2010, 06:22:05 PM
maybe i'm a bit naive, but don't some people get into the medical field because they want to help people? :-\

E

You're a good man, Earl, but slightly naive.  Go ask your doctor what he/she thinks about this bill.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Doug_Steele on March 23, 2010, 07:10:35 PM
You're a good man, Earl, but slightly naive.  Go ask your doctor what he/she thinks about this bill.

I did today and he was pissed.  :o I wanted to leave but he was saying all the negatives about this Healthcare Bill.  ;D
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Matt C on March 23, 2010, 07:15:45 PM
Haha, you're freaking high. i posted this yesterday. I have a client that has a huge insurance business and I asked him yesterday how this clusterfuck is going to effect his business, his response was..."We're not sure yet, but we figure it's going to cost us an EXTRA $1.5-2mil per year, it's going to hurt us".

Tbombz, you're in the wrong country.

Tell me about it.  If these people love socialism so much why don't they move to any of the oh so wonderful socialist countries in the world?  ???

The United States was founded on the protection of individual liberty, private property, and economic freedom.  If you don't like it - leave!  But NOOOO, the lefties have to go and ruin the last bastion of freedom left in the world.
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Montague on March 23, 2010, 07:22:28 PM
Tell me about it.  If these people love socialism so much why don't they move to any of the oh so wonderful socialist countries in the world?  ???

The United States was founded on the protection of individual liberty, private property, and economic freedom.  If you don't like it - leave!  But NOOOO, the lefties have to go and ruin the last bastion of freedom left in the world.


If you’re living in the U.S., you already ARE in a socialist country.

But, I think you’ll be surprised at the “shock waves” of benefits this bill will produce.
For instance, critics claim that many companies will be forced to lay off employees due to the increasing costs of insuring them.

True, but…

Think how many NEW jobs will be created in the schoolbook publishing industry alone.
They’re gonna need an awful lot of people to write sections about U.S. Capitalism in the HISTORY BOOKS.
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: io856 on March 23, 2010, 07:23:59 PM
the main problem with this is it creates further governmental bureaucracy which is counterproductive
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on March 23, 2010, 07:24:27 PM
Wow, i see Squadfather making a huge comeback on getbig, now that he has health insurance!!



lol
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on March 23, 2010, 07:25:33 PM
The United States was founded on the protection of individual liberty, private property, and economic freedom.  If you don't like it - leave!  But NOOOO, the lefties have to go and ruin the last bastion of freedom left in the world.

Exactly!!!

Good post!
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: CARTEL on March 23, 2010, 07:27:05 PM
If adding 30 million people saves money, we should insure Mexico also and save big time!
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: thelamefalsehood on March 23, 2010, 07:28:19 PM
If adding 30 million people saves money, we should insure Mexico also and save big time!

I'm sure we will be in a round about way in the next year to year and a half.
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Matt C on March 23, 2010, 07:30:23 PM
Exactly!!!

Good post!

Enjoy communism.  We've had it in Canada for some time now.  I just bought Mark Steyn's book "America Alone" which is soon to be banned in Canada.  So long freedom of speech.  :'(  Not that we ever had it in Canada but at least American authors have had it whose work has founds its way on the internet.  So long to freedom of speech in the USA too.
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Method101 on March 23, 2010, 07:32:55 PM
tbomz is an oil driller
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: che on March 23, 2010, 07:35:31 PM
Enjoy communism.  We've had it in Canada for some time now.  I just bought Mark Steyn's book "America Alone" which is soon to be banned in Canada.  So long freedom of speech.  :'(  Not that we ever had it in Canada but at least American authors have had it whose work has founds its way on the internet.  So long to freedom of speech in the USA too.
If you don't like it ,why don't you get out of Canada  ???
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Doug_Steele on March 23, 2010, 07:36:15 PM
If you don't like it ,why don't you get out of Canada  ???

Where would he go?? Mexico??  ??? ???
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: jtsunami on March 23, 2010, 07:38:11 PM
maybe i'm a bit naive, but don't some people get into the medical field because they want to help people? :-\

E

x2!
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: che on March 23, 2010, 07:38:33 PM
Where would he go?? Mexico??  ??? ???
USA
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Method101 on March 23, 2010, 07:58:19 PM
If you don't like it ,why don't you get out of Canada  ???
(http://www.thoseshirts.com/images/square-large-lousy.jpg)
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: jtsunami on March 23, 2010, 08:02:02 PM
Haha, you're freaking high. i posted this yesterday. I have a client that has a huge insurance business and I asked him yesterday how this clusterfuck is going to effect his business, his response was..."We're not sure yet, but we figure it's going to cost us an EXTRA $1.5-2mil per year, it's going to hurt us".

Tbombz, you're in the wrong country.

so he was profiting off of charging huge premiums, cutting costs at the expense of human life, and denying coverage to those who need it and you find this right?  Insurance companies are scumbags, health care should not be a business, that is disgusting!

I assume he already yanks millions upon millions from overcharging people as well since there is no regulations which is despicable.  Also making money in finding a way to deny coverage to a person who needs a life saving operation but try's to find a way to drop the person to save some $$$.  WOW great guy! I call him a murder, death panel employee.  We need over seer's of this industry, if not they will take you and your life away at the expense of there next vacation to the exotic islands, fuckin greedy assholes.

jt
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Spoony Luv on March 23, 2010, 08:06:17 PM
Take out 3/4 of the government and they will still raise taxes...Its a scam people...They want us all to fight amounts ourselves over silly BS...Bottom line is the Dems and the Repubs are going to keep growing government...And when government grows, so does the tax rate...In the end, they want a 75% tax rate...
Until a serious uprising...Shit will always be the same...DO NOT HAVE KIDS IN THIS DIMENSION...IT HAS TOTALLY BEEN TAKING OVER...Die without kids and you will move on to another dimension...If not, you will keep coming back to this sort of bullshit...
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Matt C on March 23, 2010, 08:09:00 PM
If you don't like it ,why don't you get out of Canada  ???

That's the thing che - people DO leave Canada.  It has been happening for decades and people used to leave to go to the USA.  Not anymore though.  If things slide any further to the left than they are right now I will be leaving to the USA.  Sadly, I fear the USA will not be far behind.  :'(
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on March 23, 2010, 08:09:16 PM
If adding 30 million people saves money, we should insure Mexico also and save big time!

haha
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Matt C on March 23, 2010, 08:13:07 PM
so he was profiting off of charging huge premiums, cutting costs at the expense of human life, and denying coverage to those who need it and you find this right?  Insurance companies are scumbags, health care should not be a business, that is disgusting!

I assume he already yanks millions upon millions from overcharging people as well since there is no regulations which is despicable.  Also making money in finding a way to deny coverage to a person who needs a life saving operation but try's to find a way to drop the person to save some $$$.  WOW great guy! I call him a murder, death panel employee.  We need over seer's of this industry, if not they will take you and your life away at the expense of there next vacation to the exotic islands, fuckin greedy assholes.

jt

What do you suppose he is doing with that money?  It is either in the banking system or being used to increase the operational efficiencies of his business, i.e., it is being used to serve the health care needs of individuals even better in the future.  Now with a parasite class taking this money, productive people will get even worse coverage and get sick and/or die as a result.  Is that fair?  As for how health care should not be a business, who do you think produces all of the medical technology and medicine that you benefit from?  Was it created in a socialist commune or by a corporation?  Now that the USA has a socialized medical system, Canada can no longer free ride off the US technological innovations as we have been.  Oh yes, things are wonderful here:

http://www.vancouversun.com/health/Thousands+surgeries+Metro+Vancouver+leaked+paper+reveals/1878506/story.html

In Canada we aren't denied coverage for expensive medicine and other health care measures - these things simply don't exist to begin with!!!

It's so horrible to have to pay a million dollars for a new cancer fighting drug - it's so much better to simply not have the option whatsoever.  ::)
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: tbombz on March 23, 2010, 08:16:42 PM
The fact of the matter is that we are already spending much more than we would need to spend to give every citizen complete and free coverage.  :)








sidenotes:

io: gov beaucuracy? no, gov resourcing pooling to give all citizens the ability to have access to a vital service that they otherwise couldnt afford on their own. btw, if a person doesnt believe in government(opposes government programs) then why the hell are they interested in politics? lol!



mattc: you are racist, elitist, misinformed, misguided, and the mouth on the nutsack of america.
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Relentless on March 23, 2010, 08:19:25 PM
the main problem with this is it creates further governmental bureaucracy which is counterproductive

Well put.
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Relentless on March 23, 2010, 08:21:55 PM
Take out 3/4 of the government and they will still raise taxes...Its a scam people...They want us all to fight amounts ourselves over silly BS...Bottom line is the Dems and the Repubs are going to keep growing government...And when government grows, so does the tax rate...In the end, they want a 75% tax rate...
Until a serious uprising...Shit will always be the same...DO NOT HAVE KIDS IN THIS DIMENSION...IT HAS TOTALLY BEEN TAKING OVER...Die without kids and you will move on to another dimension...If not, you will keep coming back to this sort of bullshit...

Lol!  Great post.  Western Civilization is on the decline anyway, so why not partake by not upping the birth rate?  The smart, financially savvy people in today's world don't reproduce, while all of the morons out there are fucking like rabbits. 
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Matt C on March 23, 2010, 08:22:26 PM
mattc: you are racist, elitist, misinformed, misguided, and the mouth on the nutsack of america.

Elitist?  Excuse me but aren't you the one cheering on free health care for the "poor" people in the USA who are among the top 20% of richest people in the world already?

Did you realize that 2.6 billion people in the world live on under $2 a day?  And you want to give free health care to people who already have a far higher standard of living than them?  Free health care for the world's richest 20%!  Sounds pretty elitist to me.
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Palpatine Q on March 23, 2010, 08:24:30 PM
Haha...Coach's friend is all pissed off because he can't just ram it up people's asses anymore, he's got to actually provide a service at a reasonable price.  :D :D
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on March 23, 2010, 08:24:46 PM
The fact of the matter is that we are already spending much more than we would need to spend to give every citizen complete and free coverage.  :)

We are already spending much more on automobiles than we would need to spend to give every citizen a  2008 Suzuki Reno.

Some people are spending $200k+ on their car, what right do they have to do so, when they could put that money into the community pot and contribute it to a family that can't afford a car!!! 

::)

Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Spoony Luv on March 23, 2010, 08:25:12 PM
START YOUR BUSINESS FOLKS...That is the way to go... ;)
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Relentless on March 23, 2010, 08:29:54 PM
The fact of the matter is that we are already spending much more than we would need to spend to give every citizen complete and free coverage.  :)








sidenotes:

io: gov beaucuracy? no, gov resourcing pooling to give all citizens the ability to have access to a vital service that they otherwise couldnt afford on their own. btw, if a person doesnt believe in government(opposes government programs) then why the hell are they interested in politics? lol!



mattc: you are racist, elitist, misinformed, misguided, and the mouth on the nutsack of america.

Tbombz, you are missing some key points, but I wouldn't expect anything less from a disadvantaged, impaired mind like yours.

Answer these questions for me:

- With 10% more patients in the system, what's going to happen to the quality of health care?
- Who wants to go through 4 years of med school, then 5 years of residency (while accruing hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt) to make $150K/year?  
- What will happen to specialists who have worked extremely hard for extra education when they are paid the same as family practitioners?
- Why are we adding 16,000 IRS agents to the govt payroll to audit this monstrosity?
- What makes you think govt is going to do a better job with this system than they did with Social Security and Medicare (EPIC FAILURES)?
- Where do you think the best doctors are going to practice medicine? NOT IN AMERICA WHERE THEIR INCOMES ARE LIMITED.  WATCH THEM FLOCK TO OTHER COUNTRIES.  THIS IS ALREADY HAPPENING.  SEE COSTA RICA.
- How is the US going to pay down the growing deficit?  Keynesian economics are not infinite in nature, at some point, this is all going to end badly.  
- Have you spoken with any doctors about their thoughts on this bill?  EVEN THE DIE HARD LIBERAL DOCTORS ARE APPALLED AND LEAVING THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY BECAUSE OF THIS BILL.  

Stop believing what you see on TV, shitforbrains.
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 23, 2010, 08:32:20 PM
so he was profiting off of charging huge premiums, cutting costs at the expense of human life, and denying coverage to those who need it and you find this right?  Insurance companies are scumbags, health care should not be a business, that is disgusting!

I assume he already yanks millions upon millions from overcharging people as well since there is no regulations which is despicable.  Also making money in finding a way to deny coverage to a person who needs a life saving operation but try's to find a way to drop the person to save some $$$.  WOW great guy! I call him a murder, death panel employee.  We need over seer's of this industry, if not they will take you and your life away at the expense of there next vacation to the exotic islands, fuckin greedy assholes.

jt

You're not a real bright kid are ya?
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Relentless on March 23, 2010, 08:33:01 PM
The current group of Democrats are ELITISTS.  To pass this bill against the American public's will is a slap in the face.  Essentially, they are saying they know what's best for us - even if we don't think so.
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Relentless on March 23, 2010, 08:35:11 PM
Haha...Coach's friend is all pissed off because he can't just ram it up people's asses anymore, he's got to actually provide a service at a reasonable price.  :D :D

What's a "reasonable" price?  Are professional athletes paid "reasonably?"  Wall St. bankers?  Lawyers?

Who's to decide what's reasonable?
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 23, 2010, 08:35:34 PM
Haha...Coach's friend is all pissed off because he can't just ram it up people's asses anymore, he's got to actually provide a service at a reasonable price.  :D :D

It's car insurance ::)
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Relentless on March 23, 2010, 08:35:52 PM
I did today and he was pissed.  :o I wanted to leave but he was saying all the negatives about this Healthcare Bill.  ;D

What did he say about it, Doug?
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Necrosis on March 23, 2010, 08:37:50 PM
What do you suppose he is doing with that money?  It is either in the banking system or being used to increase the operational efficiencies of his business, i.e., it is being used to serve the health care needs of individuals even better in the future.  Now with a parasite class taking this money, productive people will get even worse coverage and get sick and/or die as a result.  Is that fair?  As for how health care should not be a business, who do you think produces all of the medical technology and medicine that you benefit from?  Was it created in a socialist commune or by a corporation?  Now that the USA has a socialized medical system, Canada can no longer free ride off the US technological innovations as we have been.  Oh yes, things are wonderful here:

http://www.vancouversun.com/health/Thousands+surgeries+Metro+Vancouver+leaked+paper+reveals/1878506/story.html

In Canada we aren't denied coverage for expensive medicine and other health care measures - these things simply don't exist to begin with!!!

It's so horrible to have to pay a million dollars for a new cancer fighting drug - it's so much better to simply not have the option whatsoever.  ::)


wow stupid post all around, insurance companies help the healthcare industry, they supply money for drugs? LMAO. Do you know the markup on xanax for example it's in the 100,000 percentile, it's robbery, all other businesses have a 90% mark-up cap, but not the pharmaceutical agencies, they can do as they please, profit more then any other business in the world and still offer shit and doctored studies. Healthcare for every citizen makes sense for the collective good, money should never be worth more then lives. Sure it sucks for run of the mill illnesses, but that kid with neuroblastoma with no money can now have a chance at living, insted of dying on the street in the name of profit. Doctors should have the patients interest in mind, any doctor in the profession to make money is a bad doctor. Getting fair pay is fine, and we deserve it but if thats your motive then gtfo. I dont know seeing sick kids with cancer kinda skews my view though, perhaps your right, only those who work hard should get the benefits of proper and urgent healthcare. Oh wait, isnt SES a risk factor for poor health, oh shit it is.
Title: Obama's Package...
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on March 23, 2010, 08:37:53 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Obama's Package...
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 23, 2010, 08:40:25 PM
;D

LMAO
Title: Re: Obama's Package...
Post by: SF1900 on March 23, 2010, 08:42:09 PM
LOL
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: jtsunami on March 23, 2010, 08:44:04 PM
It's car insurance ::)

you duped us!
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Relentless on March 23, 2010, 08:44:14 PM
wow stupid post all around, insurance companies help the healthcare industry, they supply money for drugs? LMAO. Do you know the markup on xanax for example it's in the 100,000 percentile, it's robbery, all other businesses have a 90% mark-up cap, but not the pharmaceutical agencies, they can do as they please, profit more then any other business in the world and still offer shit and doctored studies. Healthcare for every citizen makes sense for the collective good, money should never be worth more then lives. You're very idealistic and this bill FORCES this idealism on people who have worked hard for the money they've earned.  This bill also highlights a cultural problem in America right now.  Nothing is free, folks.  There's a very real price to be paid here: its called an increase in health care recipients, but a decrease in the quality of care.  Prepare yourself for long waits. Sure it sucks for run of the mill illnesses, but that kid with neuroblastoma with no money can now have a chance at living, insted of dying on the street in the name of profit. Run of the mill businesses?  What's a run of the mill business?  I might work for one, based on your definition. Doctors should have the patients interest in mind, any doctor in the profession to make money is a bad doctor. Doctors want to have a nice lifestyle, it's what kept many of them going while they were working 36 hour shifts as an intern.  Most of them have worked EXTREMELY hard to have that MD after their name, and this bill is going to reduce the incentive to become a doctor. Getting fair pay is fine, and we deserve it but if thats your motive then gtfo. I dont know seeing sick kids with cancer kinda skews my view though, perhaps your right, only those who work hard should get the benefits of proper and urgent healthcare. Oh wait, isnt SES a risk factor for poor health, oh shit it is.
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Matt C on March 23, 2010, 08:44:31 PM
If you actually work for a living and can afford insurance, you are not going to be better off in the USA.

I will admit that Canada's system is pretty good and in terms of averages, is normally ranked ahead of the American system.  Having said that, Canada does not have over 10 million illegal aliens to provide health care for nor do we have the vast welfare state that the USA has.  Working class people have every reason to be upset with this bill and have a lot to lose.

Do you know the markup on xanax for example it's in the 100,000 percentile, it's robbery

Yeah, but Xanax exists at all, that's my point.

Guess what?  In Canada we don't have the ability to buy some of these drugs even if we had a BILLION dollars.  Try to understand that it is better to at least have the option than not have it at all.



Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Doug_Steele on March 23, 2010, 08:45:40 PM
What did he say about it, Doug?

Dr. Chen was really upset about "The Health Care Plan" and says that it will flop and he will lose $$$. He is Asian and was really ranting and raving about the fines for people who do not want to buy Insurance.

I have never seen him upset in all the times that i have had to come up here and see him.  :o He is always laid back but even the nurses i was speaking to were totally against it.  :-\

Great Dr. but i have taking my meds and i am trying to remember but it really upset him and some of the other specialist that i have seen over the last few months.  :-\
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: jtsunami on March 23, 2010, 08:47:10 PM
Doctors want to have a nice lifestyle, it's what kept many of them going while they were working 36 hour shifts as an intern.  Most of them have worked EXTREMELY hard to have that MD after their name, and this bill is going to reduce the incentive to become a doctor.

shouldn't doctors want to become doctors to help people?  If there choose to go to medical school so they could drive a mercedes and live in a mansion that is just wrong.  You should do your profession because you are passionate about it.

Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Tre on March 23, 2010, 08:49:06 PM
Haha, you're freaking high. i posted this yesterday. I have a client that has a huge insurance business and I asked him yesterday how this clusterfuck is going to effect his business, his response was..."We're not sure yet, but we figure it's going to cost us an EXTRA $1.5-2mil per year, it's going to hurt us".

Tbombz, you're in the wrong country.

You're an idiot if you think the large insurance companies are losing anything on this deal.

The big boys WANT to drive the smaller ins companies out of business, aided by the govt.
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Matt C on March 23, 2010, 08:51:01 PM
You're an idiot if you think the large insurance companies are losing anything on this deal.

The big boys WANT to drive the smaller ins companies out of business, aided by the govt.

You got it!  Another part of this agenda no doubt.
Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: G_Thang on March 23, 2010, 08:56:01 PM
LOL, another day, another racially driven post by G_thang



you're not chaos.  i do my best to upset getwhite.  ;D 
Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: benchmstr on March 23, 2010, 08:57:37 PM
i am eating bacon...

bench
Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: Matt C on March 23, 2010, 09:00:43 PM
yeah welcome in our utopian european nightmare, nice job falling in the trap.

Cant wait to see your economy collapse as unwilling to integrate and assimilate hateful angry racist immigrants start flooding your country while at the same time abusing every privileges they will obtain thanks to the moronic white people working their asses off for em..


Welcome in the occidental decline, dear north america.

2010, the year north america became socialo communist like most of europe.

Outstanding comments!  It's nice to see so many people who are not buying the BS and bogus promises anymore!
Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: chaos on March 23, 2010, 09:00:53 PM
more latinos with mexicans leading the way easily than blacks in the usa n growing...so we/they are going to clean up on this.   white america's ridiculous moronic dumba$$ lack-of-knownledge imbecilic retarded obsession with blks americans = interesting. 

(http://www.truthdig.com/images/eartothegrounduploads/cuba_cigar_350.jpg)
Meltdown.

Any way you look at it, the brown people will find a way to abuse the system.
Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: benchmstr on March 23, 2010, 09:02:18 PM
Meltdown.

Any way you look at it, the brown people will find a way to abuse the system.
and god bless them...maybe they can give me, and you some tips....

bench
Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: chaos on March 23, 2010, 09:04:30 PM
and god bless them...maybe they can give me, and you some tips....

bench
They need to tip themselves the fuck out of my country.
Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: Doug_Steele on March 23, 2010, 09:07:20 PM
They need to tip themselves the fuck out of my country.

More and more will come into the states now Chaos.  >:( You should see Georgia, S.C, N.C., Florida, Texas....MEXICANS are everywhere!! There will be more coming and you and i will be forced to pay even more for them and their babies.  :o
Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: benchmstr on March 23, 2010, 09:08:10 PM
They need to tip themselves the fuck out of my country.
no way bro...i have gotten down to three basic food groups...

1)buffalo wings
2)Reuben sandwich
3)mexican food

if they leave it will take years to re-adapt my food groups.....plus, i always loved fucking theyre women...

bench
Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: chaos on March 23, 2010, 09:11:55 PM
More and more will come into the states now Chaos.  >:( You should see Georgia, S.C, N.C., Florida, Texas....MEXICANS are everywhere!! There will be more coming and you and i will be forced to pay even more for them and their babies.  :o
I live in SOCal, we got more Mexicans than Mexico. :(

On a side note, a buddy of mine ran one over a couple of years ago, the dude was J walking and ran in front of him, unavoidable, anyway, this illegal fuck with no ID or papers ends up broken to pieces in the hospital and sues the shit out my buddys insurance company, WTF? Luckily his hospital bills were more than the 100,000 the insurance paid him so he got shit and the taxpayers had to pick up the rest of the tab for his hospital stay and rehab. ::)

bench, we don't need mexicans for mexican food and mexican bitches just get fat after they pop out their first kid at 15.
Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 23, 2010, 09:12:13 PM
i dont want health insurance...

now i'm gonna be forced to buy it


to support the leeches of society
Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: benchmstr on March 23, 2010, 09:15:02 PM
i dont want health insurance...

now i'm gonna be forced to buy it


to support the leeches of society
aren't you a immigrant?.......... ;D ;D ;D

bench
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 23, 2010, 09:16:47 PM
Tre, they are brokers, they are the smaller companies. Again, they are a auto insurance co. A large one none the less but still auto insurance.
Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: Doug_Steele on March 23, 2010, 09:17:31 PM
I live in SOCal, we got more Mexicans than Mexico. :(

On a side note, a buddy of mine ran one over a couple of years ago, the dude was J walking and ran in front of him, unavoidable, anyway, this illegal fuck with no ID or papers ends up broken to pieces in the hospital and sues the shit out my buddys insurance company, WTF? Luckily his hospital bills were more than the 100,000 the insurance paid him so he got shit and the taxpayers had to pick up the rest of the tab for his hospital stay and rehab. ::)

bench, we don't need mexicans for mexican food and mexican bitches just get fat after they pop out their first kid at 15.

X2 Be glad that you do not live on the east coast because we have Guatemalans and they are short fuckers that sling out baby after baby!!

Get ready to pay more money to support them.  :D

I have already accepted it.  >:( It is funny to go grocery shopping and see them have like 6 kids and have $2500 in food stamps.  >:(

I just wondered, how the fuck do you get $2500 in Food Stamp money.....
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: benchmstr on March 23, 2010, 09:19:12 PM
Tre, they are brokers, they are the smaller companies. Again, they are a auto insurance co. A large one none the less but still auto insurance.
can you bring my car around...im ready to leave.....

bench
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on March 23, 2010, 09:20:03 PM
can you bring my car around...im ready to leave.....

bench

hahahahahahahah
Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: chaos on March 23, 2010, 09:20:09 PM
X2 Be glad that you do not live on the east coast because we have Guatemalans and they are short fuckers that sling out baby after baby!!

Get ready to pay more money to support them.  :D

I have already accepted it.  >:( It is funny to go grocery shopping and see them have like 6 kids and have $2500 in food stamps.  >:(

I just wondered, how the fuck do you get $2500 in Food Stamp money.....
Dirty little fuckers, as an American I should have the right to demand immigration papers from anyone I am suspicious of, if they can't provide them, I should be able to shoot them on the spot. They are breaking and entering into my country, if it was my house I could shoot them, why not my country?
Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: G_Thang on March 23, 2010, 09:27:25 PM
I just wondered, how the fuck do you get $2500 in Food Stamp money.....

anybody on getdumb work for the welfare office.  i'd like to know this also. 

Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: Hulkster on March 23, 2010, 09:28:18 PM
never really understood the opposition to this change.

I know I know, americans think the hell with my neighbour, I don't want my taxes to cover his medical bills, or my own, I will just pay out of pocket if I get sick  (if I dont' have health insurance - there are about 50 million out of 300 million that don't..)

problem is, few who don't have health insurance can afford it.

hence, why most bankruptcies in the states are due to medical bills.

here in Canada, that never happens. if you get sick, you get treatment, operation, whatever.

you don't go to the poor house to do it.

If Americans realized how good our health care system was, they would be all for it.

but they don't realize how good we have it, and how bad they do...



Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: chaos on March 23, 2010, 09:29:51 PM
but they don't realize how good we have it, and how bad they do...




Your tax rate is like 40%, fuck that.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Hulkster on March 23, 2010, 09:30:22 PM
I just came back from a specialist that i was at for four fucking hours and he is pissed about this bill.  8)

if you didn't have health insurance, you would be pissed at his bill to you 8)
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Necrosis on March 23, 2010, 09:32:23 PM
wow stupid post all around, insurance companies help the healthcare industry, they supply money for drugs? LMAO. Do you know the markup on xanax for example it's in the 100,000 percentile, it's robbery, all other businesses have a 90% mark-up cap, but not the pharmaceutical agencies, they can do as they please, profit more then any other business in the world and still offer shit and doctored studies. Healthcare for every citizen makes sense for the collective good, money should never be worth more then lives. You're very idealistic and this bill FORCES this idealism on people who have worked hard for the money they've earned.  This bill also highlights a cultural problem in America right now.  Nothing is free, folks.  There's a very real price to be paid here: its called an increase in health care recipients, but a decrease in the quality of care.  Prepare yourself for long waits. Sure it sucks for run of the mill illnesses, but that kid with neuroblastoma with no money can now have a chance at living, insted of dying on the street in the name of profit. Run of the mill businesses?  What's a run of the mill business?  I might work for one, based on your definition. Doctors should have the patients interest in mind, any doctor in the profession to make money is a bad doctor. Doctors want to have a nice lifestyle, it's what kept many of them going while they were working 36 hour shifts as an intern.  Most of them have worked EXTREMELY hard to have that MD after their name, and this bill is going to reduce the incentive to become a doctor. Getting fair pay is fine, and we deserve it but if thats your motive then gtfo. I dont know seeing sick kids with cancer kinda skews my view though, perhaps your right, only those who work hard should get the benefits of proper and urgent healthcare. Oh wait, isnt SES a risk factor for poor health, oh shit it is.


i said illnesses, not businesses, you misread. So people with more then enough cannot afford more taxing? are you suggesting poor people dont work hard. Listen nothing is free and getting ahead is an issue, glass ceilings exist and the gap between the rich and the poor continues to widen. The poor cannot catch up no matter how hard they work, unless they get a scholarship to school you have to pay, hard to do when you have no money, quite easy for the rich kid with mommy and daddy to pay for everything. Listen i am in med school, i pay 20 gs a year myself or will be its on loan right now, i have worked hard for my degrees and i don't see how the ideal that the well off should help the sick and poor is in anyway negative. I will be well off, i do not have a problem aiding those that are disadvantaged, sick and unable to help themselves. What about the kid born into a poor family with lupus, he has to overcome his illness, with poor treatment to excel in life? seems fucking skewed to me. No one gets the same starting point nor is life fair, if you have be given a hand to excel in life, had things given to you, and made great decisions then im all for it. But don't think that others haven't tried just as hard yet circumstances omit them from the royalties you posses.

The system has flaws i admit that, however, it can and should be worked on to find a happy medium. I disagree, doctors work hard to save lives and have a meaningful existence. Are truly compassionate people, want to ease suffering and help others with there natural gifts (intelligence obviously). Money and a comfortable life is expected, and is still attainable, what makes you think it isn't, what do we need 700 000 gs a year to life leisurely? Find a truly passionate doctor, many of the specialists especially those working with kids will tell you that nothing brings them more joy then aiding a sick kid, helping a family in distress. Jesus man that is what it's about, when material shit becomes priority A, then you have lost sight. Again, i want both, i just don't want excess of one with impedence of the other.

Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: Hulkster on March 23, 2010, 09:34:20 PM
Your tax rate is like 40%, fuck that.

more like 30%..

but what would you rather do: learn to live off 70% of your gross income and get healthcare without going bankrupt.

or get 80% of it but lose everything you own anyway to cover medical bills if you get sick or need an operation??

the choice should be obvious..

now, I realize that this doesn't really apply to those with health insurance.

but for a large percentage of the population, they have none. and even with those that do, many things are not covered, like if you have  pre existing condtion etc.

in canada, that doesn't matter. you need care you get care..and you don't go to the poorhouse to get it.

now, our system isn't perfect either. there are drawbacks, like longer wait times.
but in general, I think it is  better considing the financial crises that many find themselves in in the States.

Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: benchmstr on March 23, 2010, 09:34:21 PM
hahahahahahahah
honestly bro...at this point of the night....i dont even remeber posting that shit ;D

bench
Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: benchmstr on March 23, 2010, 09:35:10 PM
Your tax rate is like 40%, fuck that.
paying taxes is overated...

bench
Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: Doug_Steele on March 23, 2010, 09:36:04 PM
Dirty little fuckers, as an American I should have the right to demand immigration papers from anyone I am suspicious of, if they can't provide them, I should be able to shoot them on the spot. They are breaking and entering into my country, if it was my house I could shoot them, why not my country?

If you shoot them in your house, they can actually sue you and that is fuckin sad.  >:( I agree with you on being able to shoot them though.  8) I think that you and i may have the same problem with Mexicans, you go into a subway or a burger joint and might say, "I want a God Damn Chicken Sandwhich you God Damn GooBack."  8)
Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: Brixtonbulldog on March 23, 2010, 09:36:58 PM
Following in Europe's/Canada's foot steps is the right track to prosperity and a healthy society..

























.. only heading in the wrong effing direction.  

Socialism is for the lazy, the degenerated, and the poor by irresponsibility.  For everyone else this is the only place that can still allow you to look after yourself if you so choose.. at least for now.    
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Necrosis on March 23, 2010, 09:37:53 PM
If you actually work for a living and can afford insurance, you are not going to be better off in the USA.

I will admit that Canada's system is pretty good and in terms of averages, is normally ranked ahead of the American system.  Having said that, Canada does not have over 10 million illegal aliens to provide health care for nor do we have the vast welfare state that the USA has.  Working class people have every reason to be upset with this bill and have a lot to lose.

Yeah, but Xanax exists at all, that's my point.

Guess what?  In Canada we don't have the ability to buy some of these drugs even if we had a BILLION dollars.  Try to understand that it is better to at least have the option than not have it at all.





if the drug is not over here like tianeptine for example it has nothing to do with our health system they are completely seperate. Its teh studies, funding for such, and our regulatory board. We have access to all the drugs any country has, the pharmaceutical companies ensure that, why wouldn't they? They want us to buy there drugs, give them money. The pharmaceutical companies provide the money for drug research, they will not be affected by this bill in a negative manner, in fact i see them gaining as people without healthcare can get on a polypharmacy cocktail and the insurance companies will pay the large percentage of it.

drug and innovations will have no hinderance with this bill, none, you make no sense.
Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: chaos on March 23, 2010, 09:39:20 PM
more like 30%..

but what would you rather do: learn to live off 70% of your gross income and get healthcare without going bankrupt.

or get 80% of it but lose everything you own anyway to cover medical bills if you get sick or need an operation??

the choice should be obvious..

now, I realize that this doesn't really apply to those with health insurance.


but for a large percentage of the population, they have none. and even with those that do, many things are not covered, like if you have  pre existing condtion etc.

in canada, that doesn't matter. you need care you get care..and you don't go to the poorhouse to get it.

now, our system isn't perfect either. there are drawbacks, like longer wait times.
but in general, I think it is  better considing the financial crises that many find themselves in in the States.


Exactly, Obama should be more concerned with getting jobs back to the US so people can afford their own insurance rather than giving people a handout.

If you shoot them in your house, they can actually sue you and that is fuckin sad.  >:( I agree with you on being able to shoot them though.  8) I think that you and i may have the same problem with Mexicans, you go into a subway or a burger joint and might say, "I want a God Damn Chicken Sandwhich you God Damn GooBack."  8)
They can only sue if they are alive. ;)
Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: benchmstr on March 23, 2010, 09:41:09 PM
If you shoot them in your house, they can actually sue you and that is fuckin sad.  >:( I agree with you on being able to shoot them though.  8) I think that you and i may have the same problem with Mexicans, you go into a subway or a burger joint and might say, "I want a God Damn Chicken Sandwhich you God Damn GooBack."  8)
not in my state 8)

....and ease up on the southpark bro ;D  .......

bench
Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: Doug_Steele on March 23, 2010, 09:42:52 PM
anybody on getdumb work for the welfare office.  i'd like to know this also. 



I went to Defax with a friend and i guess that is the same thing, the person working the front desk, A MEXICAN!! I could not even understand what she was saying.

Bottom Line...My friend was very ill and needed "Immediate Medicare" and was denied because he did not have any children....SADDDD!!!

So i stepped in the window and asked her, "My friend is not eligible because he did not have a fucking kid or kids??" "Yes, if he would have children then he would get Immediate Medicare, Food Stamps and a monthly check."

I thought to myself, My friend is still in school and cannot afford what was needed and he is being punished because he does not have children.....Smart guy because he wants to be mentally ready, in love and "FINACLLY READY"
Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: Doug_Steele on March 23, 2010, 09:44:45 PM

They can only sue if they are alive. ;)
[/quote]

They will find a way for their 18 children to sue you.  >:(
Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: benchmstr on March 23, 2010, 09:45:48 PM
They can only sue if they are alive. ;)


They will find a way for their 18 children to sue you.  >:(
again...not in my state 8)

bench
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Doug_Steele on March 23, 2010, 09:47:54 PM
if you didn't have health insurance, you would be pissed at his bill to you 8)

I have Health insurance and i would be pissed if i had to pay for something that i do not want.  >:( To be fined for not having it....What The Fuck?
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: ShipSekki on March 23, 2010, 09:50:31 PM
Haha, you're freaking high. i posted this yesterday. I have a client that has a huge insurance business and I asked him yesterday how this clusterfuck is going to effect his business, his response was..."We're not sure yet, but we figure it's going to cost us an EXTRA $1.5-2mil per year, it's going to hurt us".

Tbombz, you're in the wrong country.

 Of course the guy who owns a huge insurance company isn't going to like it.

 No fucking shit sherlock.
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Relentless on March 23, 2010, 09:51:37 PM
You're an idiot if you think the large insurance companies are losing anything on this deal.

The big boys WANT to drive the smaller ins companies out of business, aided by the govt.

The insurance companies actually WROTE this bill.  Notice how the major heath care insurance companies stock went up today? 
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: benchmstr on March 23, 2010, 09:53:23 PM
The insurance companies actually WROTE this bill.  Notice how the major heath care insurance companies stock went up today? 
balls deep bro......i didnt even read your post....truth be told i dont even know what thread i am in...and refuse to find ot.....BUT FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT!!!!!!!

BENCH
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 23, 2010, 10:05:43 PM
Of course the guy who owns a huge insurance company isn't going to like it.

 No fucking shit sherlock.

The guy with the smaller company is going to like even worse when he has to cut jobs to pay for the health care. THINK!
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: benchmstr on March 23, 2010, 10:07:21 PM
The guy with the smaller company is going to like even worse when he has to cut jobs to pay for the health care. THINK!
he is now a by-standard...hahaha looks like your going to lose a client due to insufficient funds ;D

bench
Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: chaos on March 23, 2010, 10:11:20 PM
They can only sue if they are alive. ;)


They will find a way for their 18 children to sue you.  >:(
18? I'd have to reload...........
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Palpatine Q on March 23, 2010, 10:13:11 PM
i said illnesses, not businesses, you misread. So people with more then enough cannot afford more taxing? are you suggesting poor people dont work hard. Listen nothing is free and getting ahead is an issue, glass ceilings exist and the gap between the rich and the poor continues to widen. The poor cannot catch up no matter how hard they work, unless they get a scholarship to school you have to pay, hard to do when you have no money, quite easy for the rich kid with mommy and daddy to pay for everything. Listen i am in med school, i pay 20 gs a year myself or will be its on loan right now, i have worked hard for my degrees and i don't see how the ideal that the well off should help the sick and poor is in anyway negative. I will be well off, i do not have a problem aiding those that are disadvantaged, sick and unable to help themselves. What about the kid born into a poor family with lupus, he has to overcome his illness, with poor treatment to excel in life? seems fucking skewed to me. No one gets the same starting point nor is life fair, if you have be given a hand to excel in life, had things given to you, and made great decisions then im all for it. But don't think that others haven't tried just as hard yet circumstances omit them from the royalties you posses.

The system has flaws i admit that, however, it can and should be worked on to find a happy medium. I disagree, doctors work hard to save lives and have a meaningful existence. Are truly compassionate people, want to ease suffering and help others with there natural gifts (intelligence obviously). Money and a comfortable life is expected, and is still attainable, what makes you think it isn't, what do we need 700 000 gs a year to life leisurely? Find a truly passionate doctor, many of the specialists especially those working with kids will tell you that nothing brings them more joy then aiding a sick kid, helping a family in distress. Jesus man that is what it's about, when material shit becomes priority A, then you have lost sight. Again, i want both, i just don't want excess of one with impedence of the other.



Good fucking post, profound...actually
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: benchmstr on March 23, 2010, 10:14:34 PM
Good fucking post, profound...actually
im am a little<lot drunk.....cliffs?

bench
Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: Doug_Steele on March 23, 2010, 10:17:26 PM
18? I'd have to reload...........

that is why you are a good man.  ;D
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Palpatine Q on March 23, 2010, 10:20:17 PM
im am a little<lot drunk.....cliffs?

bench

I had root canal work done today and i'm flying on percs right now...so i think everything is great  :)
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 23, 2010, 10:22:10 PM
im am a little<lot drunk.....cliffs?

bench

They have alcohol in the donut shops in Texas?
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: ShipSekki on March 23, 2010, 10:27:48 PM
The guy with the smaller company is going to like even worse when he has to cut jobs to pay for the health care. THINK!

 We should just go for universal health care in my opinion.

 Small business owners have to pay to insure their employees..... Sure that's bad for the small business owner but it's GOOD for the employee.

 Health care should be a fundamental right. Not a privelage.
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 23, 2010, 10:30:15 PM
We should just go for universal health care in my opinion.

 Small business owners have to pay to insure their employees..... Sure that's bad for the small business owner but it's GOOD for the employee.

 Health care should be a fundamental right. Not a privelage.

LOL...how is going to have a business without employees? And sorry, it's not a right.
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Palpatine Q on March 23, 2010, 10:41:30 PM
LOL...how is going to have a business without employees? And sorry, it's not a right.

So if you haven't managed to carve a good enough career for yourself to have (or afford) health coverage....it's "fuck you...die" ?
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: ShipSekki on March 23, 2010, 10:45:12 PM
LOL...how is going to have a business without employees? And sorry, it's not a right.

 Well maybe he should push for universal health care?

 I think the whole health care system is all fucked up and we just need to go 100% universal. It's the best way.

 The way it was before, poor people got shafted HARD. And it was causing tons of bankruptcies. It was fucked up, it had to change.
Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: Tre on March 23, 2010, 11:48:30 PM
Following in Europe's/Canada's foot steps is the right track to prosperity and a healthy society..

.. only heading in the wrong effing direction.  

Socialism is for the lazy, the degenerated, and the poor by irresponsibility.  For everyone else this is the only place that can still allow you to look after yourself if you so choose.. at least for now.    

You know why there are no great Canadians?

Because they all become Americans.

Most Canadians are fine with being 'just good enough'.  All the GREAT actors, musicians, and athletes LEAVE Canada and head to the U.S. to build their careers. 


Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Tre on March 23, 2010, 11:54:07 PM
The insurance companies actually WROTE this bill.  Notice how the major heath care insurance companies stock went up today? 

Incredible.  Pay attention to what the man is saying, people.

The guy with the smaller company is going to like even worse when he has to cut jobs to pay for the health care. THINK!

Precisely.  They just don't understand why we need jobs IN this country and that small businesses are America's #1 employer.  Make life even tougher for us, and the jobs continue going bye-bye. 



Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: The Showstoppa on March 24, 2010, 05:22:11 AM
hey ignorant individual, we already have plenty of money tyo pay fr universal healthcare. the amount of money that the government spends on its version of 'healthcare" is MORE THAN ENOUGH to pay for a universal healthcare system.

the united states spends almost $5,000 per person per year on health care.

that number is more than double the closest competitor switzerland. and 5 times the worldwide average.

we can have universal healthcare at a LOWER cost than what we pay now for our "healthcare" that doesnt cover anybody or anything

stop spreading misinformation



Hey fat kid still living off mom and dads tit, you can pull figures out of your ass (and we all know you like that) all you want.  You still show how plain dumb you are with your alleged numbers.  No matter how your type wants to portray it, it is not FREE, period.  We are going to pay for it.  If you think otherwise, call me back in about 15 yrs when you are (hopefully) out on your own. 
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Doug_Steele on March 24, 2010, 05:26:59 AM
Hey fat kid still living off mom and dads tit, you can pull figures out of your ass (and we all know you like that) all you want.  You still show how plain dumb you are with your alleged numbers.  No matter how your type wants to portray it, it is not FREE, period.  We are going to pay for it.  If you think otherwise, call me back in about 15 yrs when you are (hopefully) out on your own. 

Tbomz is the guy who took a Cock in his ass, right?? He is the one who said that it feels like a deep tissue massage, right??  :D
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: The Showstoppa on March 24, 2010, 05:29:21 AM
The insurance companies actually WROTE this bill.  Notice how the major heath care insurance companies stock went up today? 


Bingo!  All of the simpletons "celebratin thar victory" are just clowns who have no idea.  but, but it's going to be free to everyone!  How fuckin' dumb are some people?
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: MCWAY on March 24, 2010, 05:29:40 AM
We should just go for universal health care in my opinion.

 Small business owners have to pay to insure their employees..... Sure that's bad for the small business owner but it's GOOD for the employee.

 Health care should be a fundamental right. Not a privelage.

Listen to what you just said: Bad for small business owner but it's good for the employee!!

If the small business owner can't sustain this garbage, guess what he's going to do to keep himself afloat: FIRE/LAYOFF EMPLOYEES.

That's hardly "good".

What's sad about all of this is that the lion's share of ObamaCare supporters actually think they're going to get what the folks in Washington get.

That's about the same vein as the liberals who tout public schools yet send their own kids to private schools.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: The Showstoppa on March 24, 2010, 05:30:45 AM
Tbomz is the guy who took a Cock in his ass, right?? He is the one who said that it feels like a deep tissue massage, right??  :D

that would be him....former really fat kid who liked to pose on his mottycycle to slightly less fat kid with very limited education, but has all the answers to the worlds problems....sadly he doesn't realize everybody can be kept up by mom and dad...
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Doug_Steele on March 24, 2010, 05:35:57 AM
that would be him....former really fat kid who liked to pose on his mottycycle to slightly less fat kid with very limited education, but has all the answers to the worlds problems....sadly he doesn't realize everybody can be kept up by mom and dad...

He still lives at home??
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Mr Nobody on March 24, 2010, 05:56:59 AM
He still lives at home??
I wish I could live at home with my parents or a nice rich hoe tired of paying for all this shit I would in a heartbeat. ;D
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: G_Thang on March 24, 2010, 05:59:32 AM
He still lives at home??

he's not evan

(http://[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkksoCcO5ew[/youtube])

on a side note...evan makes the coolest cooking vids (no homo)
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Doug_Steele on March 24, 2010, 06:08:45 AM
I wish I could live at home with my parents or a nice rich hoe tired of paying for all this shit I would in a heartbeat. ;D

You mean, you do not mind the House Payments, Car Payments, Utilities, Credit Card, Cell Phones, Student Loans, House Insurance, Life Insurance,...etc.... ;D

THEY KEEP COMING!!
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Mr Nobody on March 24, 2010, 06:17:45 AM
You mean, you do not mind the House Payments, Car Payments, Utilities, Credit Card, Cell Phones, Student Loans, House Insurance, Life Insurance,...etc.... ;D

THEY KEEP COMING!!
I'll drop that shit in a minute for a rich hoe.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Doug_Steele on March 24, 2010, 06:20:26 AM
I'll drop that shit in a minute for a rich hoe.

I have a hard time finding Rich Hoes that are not old.  >:(
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Mr Nobody on March 24, 2010, 06:25:39 AM
I have a hard time finding Rich Hoes that are not old.  >:(
Bingo Doug most are dried up bitches I cant give up my principles for that so I keep paying all the shit;D
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Doug_Steele on March 24, 2010, 06:34:57 AM
Bingo Doug most are dried up bitches I cant give up my principles for that so I keep paying all the shit;D

I have to pay damn Hurricane Insurance on Two homes and i am forced to pay it + all that other shit.  >:(
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: Natural Man on March 24, 2010, 06:35:46 AM
One thing is sure these reforms dont movtivate people to work more. They encourage em to benefit from the nanny state as much as they can. Throw in some massive population movements never seen before from the third world and ethnic tensions growing all over europe and north america as the process keeps going on and you have a recipe for a social and economical disaster in the upcoming decades. This is far different form the logic that led to the birth of north america. People come and stay to leech, not to improve. You cant compare the immigrants from centuries ago with the ones of today. Completely different world, completely different states of minds. Of course some immigrants still bring brains to their new host's country... one out of 100000 individuals a year.

If only the leftists could be a little more realistic and take a look, just a quick glance at the possible side effects.

Nothing is ABSOLUTELY perfect or positive, every single thing has its side effect. Did you guys think about them?

Does anyone ever care about the side effects? Obviously not, as americans dont even know how deep europe has sunk these past decades folowing the socialist path. I blame ignorance here. Sheer ignorance.


The only ones who dont care about all of this are always the same: the ones who have so much money nothing can touch em. The ones who have so much money they dont even live in the same world as the rest of earth's population, the ones that never see the real results of GLOBALIZATION in the poor and middle classes existences, who only cash on it.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Natural Man on March 24, 2010, 06:41:55 AM
that would be him....former really fat kid who liked to pose on his mottycycle to slightly less fat kid with very limited education, but has all the answers to the worlds problems....sadly he doesn't realize everybody can be kept up by mom and dad...

owned.


tbombz is from the poorest, dumbest classes of society and has a limited education. I guess he listens to his parents who are dumber than him and get their infos from CNN when it comes to politics or economics. This is what taylor's "thought" on the world affairs is made of.
Of course these people are going to root for obonga and the socialocommunist utopia.

Do you think taylor ever spent some months in a european country and know what he's talking about when he compares north america and europe? Of course not.
These people dont "think", they just regurgitate garbage they heard in the news. They have no first hand, real life experience whatsoever.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Mr Nobody on March 24, 2010, 06:58:09 AM
I have to pay damn Hurricane Insurance on Two homes and i am forced to pay it + all that other shit.  >:(
You need a rich hoe Doug.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Doug_Steele on March 24, 2010, 07:07:51 AM
You need a rich hoe Doug.

I am a Rich Jiggalo.  :D
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: tbombz on March 24, 2010, 09:32:50 AM
Elitist?  Excuse me but aren't you the one cheering on free health care for the "poor" people in the USA who are among the top 20% of richest people in the world already?

Did you realize that 2.6 billion people in the world live on under $2 a day?  And you want to give free health care to people who already have a far higher standard of living than them?  Free health care for the world's richest 20%!  Sounds pretty elitist to me.
thats not an argument at all, and its one of the worst refutations of an attack on character ive came across in a long time.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: tbombz on March 24, 2010, 09:34:15 AM
owned.


tbombz is from the poorest, dumbest classes of society and has a limited education. I guess he listens to his parents who are dumber than him and get their infos from CNN when it comes to politics or economics. This is what taylor's "thought" on the world affairs is made of.
Of course these people are going to root for obonga and the socialocommunist utopia.

Do you think taylor ever spent some months in a european country and know what's he's talking about when he compares north america and europe?
These people dont "think", they just regurgitate garbage they heard in the news. They have no first hand, real life experience whatsoever.


lmao! you try so hard to be smart but for all your academic insight you lack wisdom
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 24, 2010, 09:37:52 AM
lmao! you try so hard to be smart but for all your academic insight you lack wisdom

You need some real world reality before you start pushing YOUR wisdom on people who have paid or paying their dues, you have no clue except what you've read from left wing rags.

If this was such a great bill it would have been done long ago without bribery, deceit and threats to other members of congress that have been saying they were going to vote no all along then suddenly at literally the last minute they have a yes vote. Corruption at the highest.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: dr.chimps on March 24, 2010, 09:38:29 AM
lmao! you try so hard to be smart but for all your academic insight you lack wisdom, grasshopper
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Natural Man on March 24, 2010, 09:57:30 AM
lmao! you try so hard to be smart but for all your academic insight you lack wisdom
What makes you, the ex-obese steroid user, acne ridden immature and uneducated average joe from nowhere, forced to fuck a black woman cause white women wouldnt give him the time of the day, wiser than me exactly?

Also Im not constantly trying to make myself sound "smarter" or "wiser" like you sorry , I built my own views from experience, not from what I ve heard on TV... l leave that to utopian ignorants girls like you who have a deep wish to fit in the modern society, repeating prefabricated one liners like parrots hoping this will allow em to get some attention from the others. I have nothing to prove to strangers on the internet, am just speaking my mind. Something you cant do. You are empty.
Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: Bobby on March 24, 2010, 12:06:17 PM
More and more will come into the states now Chaos.  >:( You should see Georgia, S.C, N.C., Florida, Texas....MEXICANS are everywhere!! There will be more coming and you and i will be forced to pay even more for them and their babies.  :o

I live in SOCal, we got more Mexicans than Mexico. :(

On a side note, a buddy of mine ran one over a couple of years ago, the dude was J walking and ran in front of him, unavoidable, anyway, this illegal fuck with no ID or papers ends up broken to pieces in the hospital and sues the shit out my buddys insurance company, WTF? Luckily his hospital bills were more than the 100,000 the insurance paid him so he got shit and the taxpayers had to pick up the rest of the tab for his hospital stay and rehab. ::)

bench, we don't need mexicans for mexican food and mexican bitches just get fat after they pop out their first kid at 15.



Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Matt C on March 24, 2010, 12:07:58 PM
thats not an argument at all, and its one of the worst refutations of an attack on character ive came across in a long time.

You want free health care for the world's richest 10-20% of people while ignoring billions of people who live on under $2 per day.  Sounds pretty elitist to me.
Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: haider on March 24, 2010, 12:12:06 PM
I live in SOCal, we got more Mexicans than Mexico. :(

On a side note, a buddy of mine ran one over a couple of years ago, the dude was J walking and ran in front of him, unavoidable, anyway, this illegal fuck with no ID or papers ends up broken to pieces in the hospital and sues the shit out my buddys insurance company, WTF? Luckily his hospital bills were more than the 100,000 the insurance paid him so he got shit and the taxpayers had to pick up the rest of the tab for his hospital stay and rehab. ::)

bench, we don't need mexicans for mexican food and mexican bitches just get fat after they pop out their first kid at 15.
that's fucked up.
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 24, 2010, 12:43:12 PM
anyone notice that the original 'subject' of the thread has been changed >:(
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: Mr Nobody on March 24, 2010, 01:17:10 PM
anyone notice that the original 'subject' of the thread has been changed >:(
i saw that who did that?
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: ManBearPig... on March 24, 2010, 01:33:21 PM
Every dollar paid in income taxes should equate to one vote.

Tdongz would be at zero i believe.
Title: Re: congratulations to the USA
Post by: G_Thang on March 24, 2010, 01:48:44 PM




i love this.  israel has access to the usa candy store...funding, weapons, etc.  you name it, they get it with no questions asked n  the media goes into stevie wonder mode concerning their affairs.

mexicans were allowed flood the usa to remove the darker shade of brown, AA, "as lighter shade of brown" would say but mexicans are incredibly nationalistic.  somebody forgot to tell the rednecks that afro amer can't be becasue they are too many generations removed from africa...so they only know america.  20M mexicans and counting.  i hope someone dropping fliers on the other side of the boarder about the next hlthcare benefits for a mexican women and 3.5 kids per household.  

you know it "as lula would say" made this mess.





anyway...i'm going to sit out in the boat n watch this one from the shore line.

(http://boudicabpi.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/castrosroundtheworldrecwz7.jpg)

LOL at North America
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 24, 2010, 01:58:25 PM
i saw that who did that?

not me...i guess the begg..err liberals on this board got pissed ::)
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 24, 2010, 02:02:59 PM
http://kevincolby.com/2009/01/06/tax-cuts-for-people-who-dont-pay-income-tax/
Barack Obama wants a stimulus plan that  may include $300 billion worth of tax cuts.  But who are the tax cuts really for?  During his Presidential campaign Obama promised a tax cut to 95% of working families.  But the question is how you deliver tax cuts to people who don’t pay income taxes? Almost half of the 95% of Americans that Obama was talking about don’t even pay income taxes.  Obama’s goon squad (his voters) have cried out and said that they pay Social Security taxes and Medicare taxes. But wait a minute! I thought that money that goes to Social Security wasn’t a tax, it’s a contribution! What does it say on your paycheck? FICA? That’s “Federal Insurance Contribution Act.”  This is really an insurance premium, not a tax, so what’s really happening here is that Obama wants to give those more likely to vote for him a free ride for their Social Security.  Which turns Social Security and Medicare into a welfare program.

Obama’s “tax cut” is really a “welfare check.” A government handout. Your money seized from you and given to someone who didn’t earn it … or your children and grandchildren hit with a debt they’ll have to repay late

Now his stimulus package will include a tax credit/welfare check of $500 per individual or $1,000 per family (whether or not you actually pay taxes), which would “eliminate taxes for about 10 million low-income workers and offer relief to those who pay no taxes at all,” this according to The Politico.   Offering relief? What they really meant was “redistributing the wealth.” The package will also include tax breaks for businesses, a one-year tax credit for new hires and a write-off for new investments.
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: tbombz on March 24, 2010, 08:10:04 PM
You want free health care for the world's richest 10-20% of people while ignoring billions of people who live on under $2 per day.  Sounds pretty elitist to me.
have you asked me what my views are on world politics? have i said that that ^ is what i would have?

its not necessary to have multiple governments.
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: tbombz on March 24, 2010, 08:11:47 PM

my soul radiates an asian/african zen peace, and also much love !!!



*meditation hymn* hhhhhhhhhhhhhhuuuuuuuumm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm m
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 24, 2010, 08:12:54 PM
have you asked me what my views are on world politics? have i said that that ^ is what i would have?

its not necessary to have multiple governments.

Tbombz, serious question. Do you support communism?
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Danny on March 24, 2010, 08:23:05 PM
Tbombz, serious question. Do you support communism?

Dude...what is this obsession of yours with "communism"...it seems that everybody who disagrees with your point of view you automatically label as "communist". Have you ever been into a communist country before? I'm trying to understand where you "fear" of it comes from , or is it just the non stop talk from Doughboy and Beck that make u fear it so bad? And please don't misinterpret my question.. I'm dead serious here.... ???
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: tu_holmes on March 24, 2010, 08:25:08 PM
You know how big on Healthcare Lenin and Stalin were.

I mean... Let's face it... Gulag is just Russian for "Universal Healthcare."

::)
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 24, 2010, 08:34:16 PM
Dude...what is this obsession of yours with "communism"...it seems that everybody who disagrees with your point of view you automatically label as "communist". Have you ever been into a communist country before? I'm trying to understand where you "fear" of it comes from , or is it just the non stop talk from Doughboy and Beck that make u fear it so bad? And please don't misinterpret my question.. I'm dead serious here.... ???

Danny, this has nothing to do with Beck, Hannity, Rush, etc. But what they did do was put it out there that Obama is/was basically a student of Saul Alinski and if you read it, Obama drew praise from Alinski's son. Now, I'm not saying all libs are communist, socialist yes, but where Obama wants to take this country is definitely down the path of communism. I know you said you fled communism and I respect you for that, that being said you, if anyone on here should what he attempting to do. He is literally forcing a government take over of anything that comes into his little pea brain. 
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: jtsunami on March 24, 2010, 08:37:28 PM
Danny, this has nothing to do with Beck, Hannity, Rush, etc. But what they did do was put it out there that Obama is/was basically a student of Saul Alinski and if you read it, Obama drew praise from Alinski's son. Now, I'm not saying all libs are communist, socialist yes, but where Obama wants to take this country is definitely down the path of communism. I know you said you fled communism and I respect you for that, that being said you, if anyone on here should what he attempting to do. He is literally forcing a government take over of anything that comes into his little pea brain. 

pea brain lol, the guy won the election against all the Republicans.  If he is a pea brain, what size are the Republican brains?  Dude is smart as hell, you have to give him that.  People said health care reform was dead, and a few months later President Obama has it passed.  Brilliant man and great for this country, Obama4Life.

jt
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Relentless on March 24, 2010, 08:47:56 PM
pea brain lol, the guy won the election against all the Republicans.  If he is a pea brain, what size are the Republican brains?  Dude is smart as hell, you have to give him that.  People said health care reform was dead, and a few months later President Obama has it passed.  Brilliant man and great for this country, Obama4Life.

jt

You're nothing but an idol-worshiper with the incapability of THINKING.
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: jtsunami on March 24, 2010, 09:21:21 PM
You're nothing but an idol-worshiper with the incapability of THINKING.

you know that is ironic you say that is what most Liberals think of Republicans, listen to there talk radio all day and repeat everything they hear verbatim.
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Danny on March 24, 2010, 09:26:29 PM
Danny, this has nothing to do with Beck, Hannity, Rush, etc. But what they did do was put it out there that Obama is/was basically a student of Saul Alinski and if you read it, Obama drew praise from Alinski's son. Now, I'm not saying all libs are communist, socialist yes, but where Obama wants to take this country is definitely down the path of communism. I know you said you fled communism and I respect you for that, that being said you, if anyone on here should what he attempting to do. He is literally forcing a government take over of anything that comes into his little pea brain. 

Joe.... when you make a statement like that you're completely throwing out the window all of your arguments. You guys have absolutely no idea what that means...you have no idea how a communist country was/is structured and what it actually means to live in a society so restrictive. The tactics of fear mongering that Rush and Fox news are using all the time are pretty similar to what former communist governments used to do in the Eastern bloc. Of course they actually made good on their promises  and killed countless numbers of people who opposed them or went after their families which is worse, but if you ask me this fear that a certain wing of the republican party is advocating and putting in your lives is no different then what those motherfuckers did in all those countries, at least from a psychological aspect.
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Relentless on March 24, 2010, 09:31:54 PM
you know that is ironic you say that is what most Liberals think of Republicans, listen to there talk radio all day and repeat everything they hear verbatim.

It's a problem that afflicts both sides, and you're certainly part of it.  Obama isn't a savior, nor are the Republicans.  Our Govt is failing on virtually every level right now. 
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: marty31672 on March 24, 2010, 09:33:29 PM
i'm so pleased that the uninsured now have access to medicinal carfee
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Danny on March 24, 2010, 09:36:34 PM
It's a problem that afflicts both sides, and you're certainly part of it.  Obama isn't a savior, nor are the Republicans.  Our Govt is failing on virtually every level right now. 

I thought he was the son of Jor_El.... ;D As long as you have senators like McCain saying.."there will be no cooperation for the rest of the year"...like there was any to begin with.... yes...government is failing, they need to work together and they cant seem to get it done no matter what. To me that's just silly..oohh I'll take my ball and go home if I'm losing.. :(
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Tre on March 25, 2010, 07:48:12 AM
Joe.... when you make a statement like that you're completely throwing out the window all of your arguments. You guys have absolutely no idea what that means...you have no idea how a communist country was/is structured and what it actually means to live in a society so restrictive. The tactics of fear mongering that Rush and Fox news are using all the time are pretty similar to what former communist governments used to do in the Eastern bloc. Of course they actually made good on their promises  and killed countless numbers of people who opposed them or went after their families which is worse, but if you ask me this fear that a certain wing of the republican party is advocating and putting in your lives is no different then what those motherfuckers did in all those countries, at least from a psychological aspect.

Both Obama *and* Cheney are communists...just like Clinton and Bush before them.

The GOP and Dem leadership seek to increase the size and scope of the federal government every chance they get and are also charged with making sure that as much wealth and power as possible are concentrated at the time.

Just because you're allowed to own a little property or take a vacation doesn't mean that America is NOT being led by communist regimes that has perpetuated the American oligarchy.
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: The Showstoppa on March 25, 2010, 07:51:55 AM
Both Obama *and* Cheney are communists...just like Clinton and Bush before them.

The GOP and Dem leadership seek to increase the size and scope of the federal government every chance they get and are also charged with making sure that as much wealth and power as possible are concentrated at the time.

Just because you're allowed to own a little property or take a vacation doesn't mean that America is NOT being led by communist regimes that has perpetuated the American oligarchy.


And none of us really own shit....imminent domain.
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: ManBearPig... on March 25, 2010, 07:56:37 AM
I thought he was the son of Jor_El.... ;D As long as you have senators like McCain saying.."there will be no cooperation for the rest of the year"...like there was any to begin with.... yes...government is failing, they need to work together and they cant seem to get it done no matter what. To me that's just silly..oohh I'll take my ball and go home if I'm losing.. :(

dude, you have to admit, they weren't even given a chance to "cooperate".  they weren't asked for shit. by they , i mean the republicans.  the entire bill was drafted, redrafted, discussed, and passed without a single republican's input.
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: tu_holmes on March 25, 2010, 09:04:06 AM
Well, for about 6 months, the Republicans have been nothing but saying "No" at everything.

If I'm the Dems, I'd do what I wanted too. It's what they were voted in to do last year right?
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: The Showstoppa on March 25, 2010, 09:05:16 AM
Well, for about 6 months, the Republicans have been nothing but saying "No" at everything.

If I'm the Dems, I'd do what I wanted too. It's what they were voted in to do last year right?

Uh no, they were voted in to represent the will of the people. 
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 25, 2010, 09:12:20 AM
Both Obama *and* Cheney are communists...just like Clinton and Bush before them.

The GOP and Dem leadership seek to increase the size and scope of the federal government every chance they get and are also charged with making sure that as much wealth and power as possible are concentrated at the time.

Just because you're allowed to own a little property or take a vacation doesn't mean that America is NOT being led by communist regimes that has perpetuated the American oligarchy.


http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: tu_holmes on March 25, 2010, 09:13:00 AM
That's an interesting way to put it.... and I agree, however, again, Obama made it very clear he was going to push for Universal Healthcare and yet he was still voted in.

So I'd have to say that the will of the people isn't infringed at all.

Like I've said before... many things have been done in congress that were in the best interest of the people, even if not necessarily the "will of the people" at the time.

Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: The Showstoppa on March 25, 2010, 09:16:04 AM
That's an interesting way to put it.... and I agree, however, again, Obama made it very clear he was going to push for Universal Healthcare and yet he was still voted in.

So I'd have to say that the will of the people isn't infringed at all.

Like I've said before... many things have been done in congress that were in the best interest of the people, even if not necessarily the "will of the people" at the time.



I think many people would support an overhaul to the healthcare industry, but his version is not what most had in mind.  Not to mention, of course he gave very few details on the plan he was purporting to tout during the elections....and wasn't it a "single payer" proposal back then?  I just find it ironic that both sides will stomp on the "will of the people" when it fits their agenda.  But when it doesn't fit, they scream about taking away the power of the people.
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 25, 2010, 09:20:40 AM
I down loaded the health care bill last night. It's ridiculously long.
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: tu_holmes on March 25, 2010, 09:21:16 AM
I agree with you... The Will of the People seems very "flexible" I guess you could say.
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: jpm101 on March 25, 2010, 09:35:52 AM
You did not download the final bill. It is not a defined law, as yet. As Pelosi said, we won't know whats in the bill until we sign it. Americans love to be fooled and encourage fraud from political leaders it seems. Bending over and grabbing the ankles, and begging "Please sir, may I have more", is the  American way now days. The damage this present White House is doing will take decades to repair. Time for the evil children to be booted out and replaced by grownup in the White House. Impeachment anyone?
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: stuntmovie on March 25, 2010, 09:50:09 AM
Name the US Presidents who have been impeached and the reasons for initiating impeachment proceedings.

THANKS
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: dr.chimps on March 25, 2010, 10:04:21 AM
Name the US Presidents who have been impeached and the reasons for initiating impeachment proceedings.

THANKS
Nixon. For being a total douche. Andrew Johnson for something really old. And I think they tried with Clinton. Probably the land deal thingy or the blowjob.   
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: jpm101 on March 25, 2010, 10:23:00 AM
Breaking News: Clinton was impeached. Sworn statements like "what 'is' is" and just lying while sworn to tell the truth. Whitewater was suspect, but never really brought up. The cum stain (with his DNA) on the blue dress help a lot. Pecker tracks, as we use to call them, told the whole story..
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: Montague on March 25, 2010, 10:47:18 AM
As Pelosi said, we won't know whats in the bill until we sign it.


Well, there you go, see?

Nobody should oppose or support this bill until after we have it officially forced upon us!
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: disco_stu on March 25, 2010, 01:11:45 PM
???

dad baker - retired
mom LPN - retired
older sis  RN ~15yrs
mid sis CS ~10yrs
me Ph.D. (Phar Science in progress) - check divcom acct
young sis LPN but priceless (AMEX)

the american lie that people from limited means and less wealthier nations are lazy n stupid.  seriously...the world thinks americans are fat n lazy.  how many americans willing to work for $268USD mthly 6 days a week/12-14hrs per day.

obama is a good man.  plenty of countries would kill americans to get him.  ;D

 (http://tommyimages.com/Stock_Photos/Caribbean/Cuba/Cuban_Women/slides/Cuba_2335-Cuban_Woman.jpg)




spot on.

the reason why many americans dont like this is the same reason the rest of the world hates america.

its the greed factor- and dog eat dog. the "well off" americans dont want to trade that to assist those not so well off- whatever the circumstance.

what they dont get is that when a society has such a gap between the haves and have nots, crime is rife as people are desperate.

one thing that sickened me about the US- and ive been there many times....is walking past the homeless and seeing the poor scraping for a living, all the while benzos and mercs drive past.

one day- due to bad luck or whatever- YOU may need assistance. welcome to civilisation.

Obama has some big balls....if you dont want him please send him here to Australia.

Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: Option D on March 25, 2010, 01:17:04 PM
It's ridiculously long.

Thats what she said
Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: jtsunami on March 25, 2010, 01:24:27 PM
spot on.

the reason why many americans dont like this is the same reason the rest of the world hates america.

its the greed factor- and dog eat dog. the "well off" americans dont want to trade that to assist those not so well off- whatever the circumstance.

what they dont get is that when a society has such a gap between the haves and have nots, crime is rife as people are desperate.

one thing that sickened me about the US- and ive been there many times....is walking past the homeless and seeing the poor scraping for a living, all the while benzos and mercs drive past.

one day- due to bad luck or whatever- YOU may need assistance. welcome to civilisation.

Obama has some big balls....if you dont want him please send him here to Australia.



great post, America is sickening

Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: jpm101 on March 25, 2010, 02:06:28 PM
If America is so bad & evil I wonder why thousands of people from third world countries, and every where else, are trying to get in to and live in America? Including illegals from across both borders, some are actually dying in our deserts to reach the US..All want a better life here. Hard to hide envy of this country. It's not hate but being jealous of America, that is eating away from some people who post here against America.
Wish Obama would go and stay in Aussie land. Their 20years behind the US anyway. All according to the many Aussie surfers' I' have met through the years. By the way, Fosters really does taste like warm, 7 day old piss. Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: Montague on March 25, 2010, 02:51:36 PM
"America - 20 Million Illegal Immigrants Can't Be Wrong!"

                                       -- Richard Jeni (2005)




Title: Re: Panhandlers REJOICE!!!!! healthcare reform is here and..
Post by: body88 on March 25, 2010, 02:58:40 PM
spot on.

the reason why many americans dont like this is the same reason the rest of the world hates america.

its the greed factor- and dog eat dog. the "well off" americans dont want to trade that to assist those not so well off- whatever the circumstance.

what they dont get is that when a society has such a gap between the haves and have nots, crime is rife as people are desperate.

one thing that sickened me about the US- and ive been there many times....is walking past the homeless and seeing the poor scraping for a living, all the while benzos and mercs drive past.

one day- due to bad luck or whatever- YOU may need assistance. welcome to civilisation.

Obama has some big balls....if you dont want him please send him here to Australia.



As if this is exclusive to America. I guess al those homeless gypsies I saw in Rome and up in Milan were all props put there to make us idiot Americans feel comfortable.
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: just_a_pilgrim on March 25, 2010, 05:08:28 PM

Just because you're allowed to own a little property or take a vacation doesn't mean that America is NOT being led by communist regimes that has perpetuated the American oligarchy.


There is more to freedom in the USA than just those two things. Don't get me wrong, things do get overgoverned and stupid laws are made over minor incidents, however generally so many people are fuck ups what do you do? The government has to do something, too much freedom and human behaviour will most likely just lead them back to fucking up again.
Title: Re: Universal healthcare is cheaper than what we have now.
Post by: jtsunami on March 25, 2010, 08:35:05 PM
There is more to freedom in the USA than just those two things. Don't get me wrong, things do get overgoverned and stupid laws are made over minor incidents, however generally so many people are fuck ups what do you do? The government has to do something, too much freedom and human behaviour will most likely just lead them back to fucking up again.

Yup we need a leader, a strong intelligent and inspirational leader that will lead us into the future, free of Israel's leaching and keeping those who cannot control themselves in control and on the righteous path.

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(http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_space_thewritestuff/files/2009/12/obama-looks-to-space.jpg)

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(http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/images/2008/10/18/obama_contempt.jpg)

(http://planettran.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/obama4.jpg)

(http://abluteau.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/obama-teacher.jpg)
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: thelamefalsehood on March 25, 2010, 09:09:46 PM
Whatever you say Jtsuretard ::)
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: slate on March 25, 2010, 09:11:34 PM
i am with toxic avenger all the way
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: slate on March 25, 2010, 09:12:42 PM
americans dont need univ health care. that is for pussy countries
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: slate on March 25, 2010, 09:13:44 PM
where i live there is univ health care but i always insist in paying
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: jtsunami on March 25, 2010, 09:14:49 PM
Whatever you say Jtsuretard ::)

that is a compliment actually comparing him to the worlds best leaders in past.  Hopefully he will turn into a great leader as they were as well.

Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: slate on March 25, 2010, 09:14:57 PM
the commie girls never take my money though- fucking socialists all of them
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: thelamefalsehood on March 25, 2010, 09:19:20 PM
that is a compliment actually comparing him to the worlds best leaders in past.  Hopefully he will turn into a great leader as they were as well.



No reply even needed after a comment like that.
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: slate on March 25, 2010, 09:29:39 PM
ok guys but what should i do?

i mean where i am the gov says its all payed or but i dont want any commie handouts- how do i give the money back when i want no part in this socialized med scheme, if they wont take it, the bastards?
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: jtsunami on March 25, 2010, 09:36:00 PM
ok guys but what should i do?

i mean where i am the gov says its all payed or but i dont want any commie handouts- how do i give the money back when i want no part in this socialized med scheme, if they wont take it, the bastards?

stop trolling maybe  ???
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: Fury on March 25, 2010, 09:37:20 PM
stop trolling maybe  ???

Ironic.
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: slate on March 25, 2010, 10:01:44 PM
this is serious, i want to opt out of this shit socialized med system

i wanna pay for my own bills- i don't want some rich fellows getting some extra tax just so that i can get an handout

fuck that i rather die than take another man´s money

what can people like me do in a system like this- u cant pay them back cause they wont take it- but if u stop paying taxes u go to jail

i dont see a way out here. When my wife got cancer i went all out and sold our house, now i have all this money parked in a low interest rate account and i cant use to pay for chemo because it is for free

i say to them for free my ass- i sold my house to pay for this shit and now prices went up who is going to compensate me for that?- and the fking commies go: well we cant do that etc

clearly this is just one elaborate way to con the working man


u guys tell me what should ido?
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: JBGRAY on March 26, 2010, 12:17:05 AM
  Universal Healthcare sounds great and all, however, the government cannot afford it.  You cannot continue to keep on raising the debt ceiling without there being some serious consequences that will probably be soon upon us.  Rapidly disappearing manufacturing base, rising unemployment, low-wage service based economy, two wars going on, billions in foreign aid(#1 Israel, #2 Saudi Arabia), reckless and stupid spending, trade deficits, welfare/food stamp/Section 8 handouts, medicare fraud, millions of unskilled, non-assimilating, nationalistic immigrants pouring into our country, devaluing of the dollar......and people continue to debate stupid shit like rednecks throwing a brick through a politician's office window or if Obama is a communist or not.

 Government finances should be run like a business, but it never is.  People who want all these things that are taken for granted, like, you know, our military, police, fire, roads, schools, social security, medicare, etc....think all this shit is paid for out of some government bottomless bag.  It isn't.  Our debts will catch up to us.
 
 So which is it?  Forgiveness of all debts?  Sink the dollar, and start a new commodity-based currency?  Or let the US become the world's biggest garage sale at rock bottom prices?
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: kiwiol on March 26, 2010, 12:31:12 AM
  Universal Healthcare sounds great and all, however, the government cannot afford it.  You cannot continue to keep on raising the debt ceiling without there being some serious consequences that will probably be soon upon us.  Rapidly disappearing manufacturing base, rising unemployment, low-wage service based economy, two wars going on, billions in foreign aid(#1 Israel, #2 Saudi Arabia), reckless and stupid spending, trade deficits, welfare/food stamp/Section 8 handouts, medicare fraud, millions of unskilled, non-assimilating, nationalistic immigrants pouring into our country, devaluing of the dollar......and people continue to debate stupid shit like rednecks throwing a brick through a politician's office window or if Obama is a communist or not.

 Government finances should be run like a business, but it never is.  People who want all these things that are taken for granted, like, you know, our military, police, fire, roads, schools, social security, medicare, etc....think all this shit is paid for out of some government bottomless bag.  It isn't.  Our debts will catch up to us.
 
 So which is it?  Forgiveness of all debts?  Sink the dollar, and start a new commodity-based currency?  Or let the US become the world's biggest garage sale at rock bottom prices?

Wise man.
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: Matt C on March 26, 2010, 02:01:23 AM
I want to say that for all the flaws I've mentioned before about Canada's health care system, it is pretty good.

I also want to say that for all the praise I've given to the free market and insurance companies, the American system does have flaws.

Neither system is perfect.

With that said, making something "free and universal" is not going to automatically make it better.  Some will certainly benefit but others will certainly suffer under the changes to the US health care system.
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 26, 2010, 09:15:59 AM
I want to say that for all the flaws I've mentioned before about Canada's health care system, it is pretty good.

I also want to say that for all the praise I've given to the free market and insurance companies, the American system does have flaws.

Neither system is perfect.

With that said, making something "free and universal" is not going to automatically make it better.  Some will certainly benefit but others will certainly suffer under the changes to the US health care system.

When you have systems....any systems that are big you're going to have flaws that will never be resolved, there is no such thing as a "perfect" system. But create a "system" that will bankrupt (we pretty much already are) a country is unacceptable. Lets face it, his ONLY goal is to get the people to depend on the government then tax the shit out them to cover the costs. If he was the CEO of a company he would have been out in the first 3 months.
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: Necrosis on March 26, 2010, 10:21:01 AM
When you have systems....any systems that are big you're going to have flaws that will never be resolved, there is no such thing as a "perfect" system. But create a "system" that will bankrupt (we pretty much already are) a country is unacceptable. Lets face it, his ONLY goal is to get the people to depend on the government then tax the shit out them to cover the costs. If he was the CEO of a company he would have been out in the first 3 months.

don't you beleive in a talking snake?

You cannot objectively look at obama, your avatar quote sums that up nicely. Use your brain, look at this objectively, how many people were suffering with no health care, poor health care? The system makes no sense when the only ones who can afford proper health care are the ones who have more then enough and thus require it the least. The poor/middle require health care the most if you didn't know, canada definitely has it flaws, but when people cite people travelling to the US to have operations it is rich people who don't want to wait. In canada you have to wait like everyone else, you are not special, thus if i had the cash i wouldn't want to wait and would opt for quick service. It's just common sense.
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: jtsunami on March 26, 2010, 02:12:24 PM
don't you beleive in a talking snake?

You cannot objectively look at obama, your avatar quote sums that up nicely. Use your brain, look at this objectively, how many people were suffering with no health care, poor health care? The system makes no sense when the only ones who can afford proper health care are the ones who have more then enough and thus require it the least. The poor/middle require health care the most if you didn't know, canada definitely has it flaws, but when people cite people travelling to the US to have operations it is rich people who don't want to wait. In canada you have to wait like everyone else, you are not special, thus if i had the cash i wouldn't want to wait and would opt for quick service. It's just common sense.

Yes the rich feel the need to be treated special, like the are better than the other person.  Christian values teach you you are not better than anyone person, but money seems to dilute Christians minds unfortunately. 

The man on the street is just as important as you Coach, if your Christian and I take it you are since you are a conservative republican.

Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: jtsunami on March 26, 2010, 02:16:23 PM
don't you beleive in a talking snake?

You cannot objectively look at obama, your avatar quote sums that up nicely. Use your brain, look at this objectively, how many people were suffering with no health care, poor health care? The system makes no sense when the only ones who can afford proper health care are the ones who have more then enough and thus require it the least. The poor/middle require health care the most if you didn't know, canada definitely has it flaws, but when people cite people travelling to the US to have operations it is rich people who don't want to wait. In canada you have to wait like everyone else, you are not special, thus if i had the cash i wouldn't want to wait and would opt for quick service. It's just common sense.

Yes the rich feel the need to be treated special, like the are better than the other person.  Christian values teach you you are not better than anyone person, but money seems to dilute Christians minds unfortunately. 

The man on the street is just as important as you Coach, if your Christian and I take it you are since you are a conservative republican.

Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 26, 2010, 02:26:25 PM
Never said I was better than anyone, I'm just not lazy. If you want to throw Christianity into the mix, how looking what it says about lazy people.
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: jtsunami on March 26, 2010, 02:29:56 PM
Never said I was better than anyone, I'm just not lazy. If you want to throw Christianity into the mix, how looking what it says about lazy people.

I don't know much about Christianity, I am Muslim, but I do know Christianity stresses people are equal. 

The thing is not all people without health care are lazy.  Tons of companies get by without giving or offering their employees health care because they can and are cheap.  This makes them do it or pay a fine.  Many working people do not have it because they cannot afford it with the job they have.  Health care cost a lot of money if you employer doesn't provide it.

Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 26, 2010, 05:13:52 PM
I don't know much about Christianity, I am Muslim, but I do know Christianity stresses people are equal.  

The thing is not all people without health care are lazy.  Tons of companies get by without giving or offering their employees health care because they can and are cheap.  This makes them do it or pay a fine.  Many working people do not have it because they cannot afford it with the job they have.  Health care cost a lot of money if you employer doesn't provide it.



How are they supposed to do that if they can't afford it? Companies who can't afford it (small businesses) will go out of business that translates to more jobs lost among a host of other things. jt, you seriously need to analyze things before you spout of nonsense like that.

Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: tbombz on March 26, 2010, 06:58:51 PM
 Universal Healthcare sounds great and all, however, the government cannot afford it.  You cannot continue to keep on raising the debt ceiling without there being some serious consequences that will probably be soon upon us.  Rapidly disappearing manufacturing base, rising unemployment, low-wage service based economy, two wars going on, billions in foreign aid(#1 Israel, #2 Saudi Arabia), reckless and stupid spending, trade deficits, welfare/food stamp/Section 8 handouts, medicare fraud, millions of unskilled, non-assimilating, nationalistic immigrants pouring into our country, devaluing of the dollar......and people continue to debate stupid shit like rednecks throwing a brick through a politician's office window or if Obama is a communist or not.

 Government finances should be run like a business, but it never is.  People who want all these things that are taken for granted, like, you know, our military, police, fire, roads, schools, social security, medicare, etc....think all this shit is paid for out of some government bottomless bag.  It isn't.  Our debts will catch up to us.
 
 So which is it?  Forgiveness of all debts?  Sink the dollar, and start a new commodity-based currency?  Or let the US become the world's biggest garage sale at rock bottom prices?

hey ignoramous, the US can easily afford universal healthcare. WE ALREADY SPEND MORE THAN ENOUGH MONEY ON OUR CURRENT HEALTHCARE SYSTEM THAN WOULD BE NECESSARY FOR US TO HAVE UNIVERSALL COVERAGE.



Health Statistics > Health care funding > Total per capita (most recent) by country

 # 1    United States: $4,631.00 per capita  
# 2    Switzerland: $3,222.00 per capita  
# 3    Germany: $2,748.00 per capita  
# 4    Iceland: $2,608.00 per capita  
# 5    Canada: $2,535.00 per capita  
# 6    Denmark: $2,420.00 per capita  
# 7    France: $2,349.00 per capita  
= 8    Belgium: $2,268.00 per capita  
= 8    Norway: $2,268.00 per capita  
# 10    Netherlands: $2,246.00 per capita
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: tbombz on March 26, 2010, 06:59:48 PM
Wise man.
you are ignorant for considering him wise based upon that post
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: kiwiol on March 26, 2010, 07:20:07 PM
you are ignorant for considering him wise based upon that post

He is right about the government needing to be run like a business, which is what my comment was aimed at.

Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 26, 2010, 07:38:36 PM
Yeah Tbombz, they can just print more money, it won't cost anything right?
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: io856 on March 26, 2010, 07:51:33 PM
Yeah Tbombz, they can just print more money, it won't cost anything right?
(http://www.meikathon.net/roflmao/facepalm.jpg)


Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 26, 2010, 08:25:45 PM
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Thats exactly how I feel when liberals make stupid posts like Tbombz.
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: che on March 26, 2010, 08:27:26 PM
Never said I was better than anyone, I'm just not lazy. If you want to throw Christianity into the mix, how looking what it says about lazy people.
Just because someone experienced economic difficulties in their life does not mean they are lazy or poor planners that screwed  themselves.
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 26, 2010, 08:37:37 PM
Just because someone experienced economic difficulties in their life does not mean they are lazy or poor planners that screwed  themselves.

Most of us have at one point or another but not all of us depend on government handouts to get back on our feet. I say "our" because I was there at one point. Socialism makes the lazy lazier.
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: Natural Man on March 26, 2010, 08:56:48 PM
  Universal Healthcare sounds great and all, however, the government cannot afford it.  You cannot continue to keep on raising the debt ceiling without there being some serious consequences that will probably be soon upon us.  Rapidly disappearing manufacturing base, rising unemployment, low-wage service based economy, two wars going on, billions in foreign aid(#1 Israel, #2 Saudi Arabia), reckless and stupid spending, trade deficits, welfare/food stamp/Section 8 handouts, medicare fraud, millions of unskilled, non-assimilating, nationalistic immigrants pouring into our country, devaluing of the dollar......and people continue to debate stupid shit like rednecks throwing a brick through a politician's office window or if Obama is a communist or not.

 Government finances should be run like a business, but it never is.  People who want all these things that are taken for granted, like, you know, our military, police, fire, roads, schools, social security, medicare, etc....think all this shit is paid for out of some government bottomless bag.  It isn't.  Our debts will catch up to us.
 
 So which is it?  Forgiveness of all debts?  Sink the dollar, and start a new commodity-based currency?  Or let the US become the world's biggest garage sale at rock bottom prices?

great comment.
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: Natural Man on March 26, 2010, 08:59:00 PM
obonga s going to be the first and last colored president of the US.
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: Relentless on March 26, 2010, 09:02:03 PM
This recent article from The Economist magazine sums Nancy Pelosi up perfectly:

Nancy Pelosi's challenge
The House speaker is not popular with voters. But she can count noses

Mar 18th 2010 | From The Economist print edition

WHEN Nancy Pelosi moved to San Francisco, she struggled to find somewhere to live. For months, and with four small children, she lodged with her mother-in-law. So she was relieved when she found a perfect home to rent: big, childproof and with swings in the garden. She was about to seal the deal when she discovered that the owner’s husband was heading east to join the Nixon administration. “We won’t be able to live here,” she said. “I could never live anyplace that was made available because of the election of Richard Nixon.”

If this story were told by a Republican, Lexington would dismiss it as apocryphal. It confirms too neatly the caricature of Mrs Pelosi as a petty and tribal partisan. But the source is Mrs Pelosi’s autobiography, “Know Your Power: a Message to America’s Daughters”. And in case you think it out of character, she adds that her daughter Alexandra “often says to me that she knows everything she needs to know about me by hearing that story.”

As health-care reform hangs in the balance, nearly everything depends on the House of Representatives. To simplify a gruesomely complex process: if House Democrats approve a health bill the Senate passed last year (plus a few tweaks), America will have something close to universal health insurance. The left’s fondest ambition will become law, and Barack Obama will suddenly look like a successful president. A vote is expected within days, but only if Mrs Pelosi, the House speaker, can hold her party together. Is she up to the job?

Mrs Pelosi is arguably the most powerful woman in American history. There have been female governors, secretaries of state and Supreme Court justices, but only one female speaker. When she won the gavel, after the Democratic landslide of 2006, many saw it as a sign that the “marble ceiling” in American politics was cracking. Mrs Pelosi called it “a pivotal moment for all women”. But others saw it as depressing evidence of the lingering power of political dynasties. Mrs Pelosi’s family are not quite Democratic royalty, like the Kennedys or the Clintons, but they are certainly aristocrats. Her father, Thomas D’Alesandro, was a congressman and mayor of Baltimore. Her brother was also mayor of Baltimore. She made her first public speech when she was seven, at her father’s swearing-in.

Despite her hyper-political upbringing, she is a mediocre orator. Harold Meyerson, a friendly journalist, likens her rhetoric to “a compendium of bumper-stickers”. Unlike, say, Newt Gingrich, a former Republican speaker, she has few interesting thoughts about policy. Her autobiography contains less substance than Sarah Palin’s, which is saying something. And although she has no trouble getting re-elected in San Francisco, she is unpopular in the country as a whole. A recent Daily Kos poll found that only 22% of independents and 7% of Republicans view her favourably. But an effective speaker need not be loved, or think original thoughts. Her job is to round up votes. And at this, Mrs Pelosi excels.

She learned the family business by watching her father dole out jobs and her mother keep a file of favours owed. As a little girl, she answered the phone and told supplicants whom to call to get on welfare or into the city hospital. Six decades later, she is a master of horse-trading. Although she is on her party’s left, centrist Democrats find her a good listener. She is far more disciplined than the House Democrats’ previous leader, Dick Gephardt, and does a better job of keeping her fractious party united.

Which is just as well, because health care is a tough sell. Not one Republican will touch it, so she needs 85% of her party’s votes for a bare majority. Some pro-life Democrats, such as Bart Stupak of Michigan, bridle because they think the Senate bill would use public funds to pay for abortions. Some Hispanic Democrats, such as Luis Gutierrez of Illinois, are angry that it bars illegal immigrants from buying insurance through government-sponsored exchanges. Some left-wingers remain aloof because it does not include a government-run insurer, though one leader of the half-a-loaf-is-worse-than-none faction, Dennis Kucinich of Ohio, recanted two days after sharing a stage with Barack Obama and being urged by the crowd to vote yes. And a bevy of fiscally conservative Democrats, many of them from swing districts, fret that a costly new entitlement will shatter both the budget and their chances of re-election. A new poll in 35 swing districts found that, by a two-to-one margin, voters there want their representatives to scrap the current bill.
The smiling finger-breaker

So Mrs Pelosi is coaxing waverers, calling in favours, breaking fingers and pulling toenails. The Democratic Party controls the White House and has big majorities in both arms of Congress. If it can’t enact universal health care now, when can it? If Obamacare flops at the finish line, Democrats will look hopelessly incompetent. Their opponents will be enthused; their supporters, despondent. “Our kids cannot wait another moment for us to act,” says Mrs Pelosi, in bumper-sticker mode.

She may not see it this way, but the Republicans have done a skilful job of blocking health reform by using the same tactics that she once used against them. When the Democrats were in opposition, her style was to demonise Republican proposals without offering an alternative. It worked. In 2005, for example, when George Bush suggested allowing workers to divert some of their Social Security payments into private accounts, Mrs Pelosi portrayed this as a plan to unravel public pensions. Voters were spooked, and the plan died. Today, Republicans decry Obamacare in similarly hysterical terms, and voters are once again spooked. It will take all the speaker’s skill—and some ugly parliamentary manoeuvres—to enact health reform. But if Mrs Pelosi succeeds, she will take her place in the Democratic pantheon.
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: Necrosis on March 30, 2010, 12:37:13 PM
Most of us have at one point or another but not all of us depend on government handouts to get back on our feet. I say "our" because I was there at one point. Socialism makes the lazy lazier.

the lazy will be lazy no matter what, do as little as possible to get by and hang on the coatails of the next, its always been that way. However, there are alot of poor people, even middle class workaholics that are not lazy and suffer from lack of coverage, this is the biggest population in the US that this change hopes to affect.

Rich people are usually handed more then most, you realize that right? not everyone is a self made millionaire, wether dad paid for school or handed you the keys to the buisness most exceptionally wealthy people are not self made. The other group are the hardworkers who have innate talents that others don't, why should they get the benefits also? It's like the more you have in life to work with the more you should get mentality. If life is going to carry on we need to help each other and pull others up when they are down i geuss im closer to jesus then you huh? Didnt jesus say to give up all your possessions? to help the poor and that he would be found amongst the poor and sick?

Regardless of the fact that, that philosophy is ridiculous and unreachable it still has a modicum of truth and maybe you should analyze what  the one life you have means and if working harder then the next guy means  more then helping the next guy?

Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: haider on March 30, 2010, 06:01:19 PM
the lazy will be lazy no matter what, do as little as possible to get by and hang on the coatails of the next, its always been that way. However, there are alot of poor people, even middle class workaholics that are not lazy and suffer from lack of coverage, this is the biggest population in the US that this change hopes to affect.

Rich people are usually handed more then most, you realize that right? not everyone is a self made millionaire, wether dad paid for school or handed you the keys to the buisness most exceptionally wealthy people are not self made. The other group are the hardworkers who have innate talents that others don't, why should they get the benefits also? It's like the more you have in life to work with the more you should get mentality. If life is going to carry on we need to help each other and pull others up when they are down i geuss im closer to jesus then you huh? Didnt jesus say to give up all your possessions? to help the poor and that he would be found amongst the poor and sick?

Regardless of the fact that, that philosophy is ridiculous and unreachable it still has a modicum of truth and maybe you should analyze what  the one life you have means and if working harder then the next guy means  more then helping the next guy?


owned.
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 30, 2010, 06:11:34 PM
my fiance is dyiing....


it sux


she could benefit from this......this healthcare bill


she tells me she hates this so.......



gawd ......living day to day.....i respect her so much for.........that woman refuses to be a mooch.....and i love her for it
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: kiwiol on March 30, 2010, 06:14:56 PM
my fiance is dyiing....


it sux


she could benefit from this......this healthcare bill


she tells me she hates this so.......



gawd ......living day to day.....i respect her so much for.........that woman refuses to be a mooch.....and i love her for it

Sorry to hear that, man. What is she suffering from?
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 30, 2010, 06:16:24 PM
Sorry to hear that, man. What is she suffering from?
dead kidneys
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: kiwiol on March 30, 2010, 06:18:19 PM
dead kidneys

Sounds bad. Can she get a transplant?
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 30, 2010, 06:28:46 PM
Sounds bad. Can she get a transplant?


after my studies r done...i am gonna give 1 of my kidneys to someone so she can get 1 in return
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: kiwiol on March 30, 2010, 06:34:34 PM

after my studies r done...i am gonna give 1 of my kidneys to someone so she can get 1 in return

Good on you. Good luck.
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: bigbobs on March 30, 2010, 06:35:23 PM
Good on you. Good luck.

x2 - sorry to hear that TA
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 30, 2010, 06:42:23 PM
x2 - sorry to hear that TA

dont be srry mang!


i hope u love someone that would make u do the same :)

its terrible....and its wonderful...to be ok with dying for someone else :)
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: Mr Nobody on March 30, 2010, 10:31:47 PM

after my studies r done...i am gonna give 1 of my kidneys to someone so she can get 1 in return
Sorry man. You are a good person for doing this. (no homo)
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 31, 2010, 07:31:04 AM
  (no homo)

crap >:(


...i wus kinda hoping! ;D
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: Fatpanda on March 31, 2010, 11:10:12 AM
you are a good man toxic.

i wish the best for you and your girl.
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: Necrosis on April 01, 2010, 10:06:15 AM
my fiance is dyiing....


it sux


she could benefit from this......this healthcare bill


she tells me she hates this so.......



gawd ......living day to day.....i respect her so much for.........that woman refuses to be a mooch.....and i love her for it

you are a fucking moron if you are letting her die for some fucking ideology that will mean shit when she is dead and buried. Tell her to fuck off and get the help, its ok to mooch sometimes, you did if for most of your life did you not? seriously, you have one life and to fucking suffer and waste it to prove some inane shit is beyond retarded.

there is absolutely no logic in that.
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: Danny on April 01, 2010, 12:58:48 PM
you are a fucking moron if you are letting her die for some fucking ideology that will mean shit when she is dead and buried. Tell her to fuck off and get the help, its ok to mooch sometimes, you did if for most of your life did you not? seriously, you have one life and to fucking suffer and waste it to prove some inane shit is beyond retarded.

there is absolutely no logic in that.

Somebody had to say it. While I feel bad for her suffering this is a very valid point you cant argue that.
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: tbombz on April 01, 2010, 02:44:16 PM
you are a fucking moron if you are letting her die for some fucking ideology that will mean shit when she is dead and buried. Tell her to fuck off and get the help, its ok to mooch sometimes, you did if for most of your life did you not? seriously, you have one life and to fucking suffer and waste it to prove some inane shit is beyond retarded.

there is absolutely no logic in that.
just about to post something similar to that

but i think toxic was probably just being an idiot and made up the story to try to "make a point" with the tale..
Title: Re: Universal Healthcare - cheaper and now in the USA
Post by: ToxicAvenger on April 03, 2010, 11:24:52 AM
just about to post something similar to that

but i think toxic was probably just being an idiot and made up the story to try to "make a point" with the tale..

noo my fiance is on the transplant list...
Title: Re: Obama Healthcare Bill just officially passed
Post by: Kwon on July 30, 2023, 10:57:58 AM
my soul radiates an asian/african zen peace, and also much love !!!



*meditation hymn* hhhhhhhhhhhhhhuuuuuuuumm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm m

How is that even possible?