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16 week contest prep cycle for a competitor in this weekends europa from his coach...thought you guys would enjoy, been very busy.
16 weeks out
1,000mg test cyp weekly
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
700mg tren hex weekly
15iu humalog AM
15iu humulin-R pre workout
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
120mcg clen
100mcg t3
40mg valeant tested pre workout
1mg anastrazole EOD
20mg tamox EOD
12 weeks out
1,000mg test cyp weekly
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
1050mg tren hex weekly
700mg masteron prop weekly
50mg upsher smith oxandralone ED
15iu humalog AM
15iu humulin-R pre workout
15iu humalog before second post workout meal
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
120mcg clen
100mcg t3
40mg valeant tested pre workout
1mg anastrazole EOD
20mg tamox EOD
8 weeks out
1,400mg test prop weekly
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
1,400mg tren hex weekly
1,050mg masteron prop weekly
50mg upsher-smith oxandralone ED
100mg winstrol suspended in everclear ED (orally)
15iu humulin-R pre workout
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
120mcg clen
150mcg t3
1mg anastrazole ED
20mg tamox ED
4 weeks out
1,400mg test no ester weekly (1cc 2x/day)
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
1,400mg tren hex weekly
1,400mg masteron prop weekly
50mg upsher-smith oxandralone ED
200mg winstrol suspended in everclear ED (orally, 2x/day)
30mg upsher-smith androxy ED
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
160mcg clen
150mcg t3
1mg anastrazole ED
20mg tamox ED
1 week out
1,400mg tren hex weekly
1,400mg masteron prop weekly
100mg upsher-smith oxandralone ED
300mg winstrol suspended in everclear ED (orally, 3x/day)
40mg upsher-smith androxy ED
100mg anadrol ED
50mcg t4
160mcg clen
150mcg t3
1mg anastrazole ED
20mg tamox ED
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in the first 8 weeks that should obviously read "valeant testred" not "tested"
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esf fitness cruises on that bro
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All for some "hardware" as these "athletes" call it ::)
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thanks for sharing, I would ease up on the T3 during last week to help fill out, 150mcg would have him flatter than needed.
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16 week contest prep cycle for a competitor in this weekends europa from his coach...thought you guys would enjoy, been very busy.
16 weeks out
1,000mg test cyp weekly
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
700mg tren hex weekly
15iu humalog AM
15iu humulin-R pre workout
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
120mcg clen
100mcg t3
40mg valeant tested pre workout
1mg anastrazole EOD
20mg tamox EOD
12 weeks out
1,000mg test cyp weekly
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
1050mg tren hex weekly
700mg masteron prop weekly
50mg upsher smith oxandralone ED
15iu humalog AM
15iu humulin-R pre workout
15iu humalog before second post workout meal
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
120mcg clen
100mcg t3
40mg valeant tested pre workout
1mg anastrazole EOD
20mg tamox EOD
8 weeks out
1,400mg test prop weekly
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
1,400mg tren hex weekly
1,050mg masteron prop weekly
50mg upsher-smith oxandralone ED
100mg winstrol suspended in everclear ED (orally)
15iu humulin-R pre workout
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
120mcg clen
150mcg t3
1mg anastrazole ED
20mg tamox ED
4 weeks out
1,400mg test no ester weekly (1cc 2x/day)
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
1,400mg tren hex weekly
1,400mg masteron prop weekly
50mg upsher-smith oxandralone ED
200mg winstrol suspended in everclear ED (orally, 2x/day)
30mg upsher-smith androxy ED
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
160mcg clen
150mcg t3
1mg anastrazole ED
20mg tamox ED
1 week out
1,400mg tren hex weekly
1,400mg masteron prop weekly
100mg upsher-smith oxandralone ED
300mg winstrol suspended in everclear ED (orally, 3x/day)
40mg upsher-smith androxy ED
100mg anadrol ED
50mcg t4
160mcg clen
150mcg t3
1mg anastrazole ED
20mg tamox ED
No physique is worth having to live like that.
Im 215 lb at around 10% BF on 200mgs of test every 10 days.
Is all the above worth it?
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Dorian Yates would say yes but for most pros no, its a personal choice, an extreme sport, is rock climbing without a rope worth it? To those who take that risk it is...
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thanks for sharing, I would ease up on the T3 during last week to help fill out, 150mcg would have him flatter than needed.
As a top competitor do u agree with the dosages here or u think it is exaggerated? Been highly debated here for some time?
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Dorian Yates would say yes but for most pros no, its a personal choice, an extreme sport, is rock climbing without a rope worth it? To those who take that risk it is...
I will wager Dorian didnt go any where near those dosages.
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I wouldn't be in this league of usage but it sounds possible, some things seem a bit off like 2.6gms of test up until a week out, that should be tapered down and then stopped 10 days out IMO.
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I will wager Dorian didnt go any where near those dosages.
Really? I bet he did....
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how do you keep track of all that shit, i can even remember to take some creatine before my workout
im guessing this is where a "COACH" "GURU" comes into place , calling you or txting you what and when to take it every hour on the hour
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I have a migraine just thinking about all that gear. Pinning it would be excruciating, then sitting there with all that shit floating around would be another challenge in and of itself.
I'm proud to be a life time natural (under 1 gram per week). ;D
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it would be, I think this kind of stack can become the hardest part about a contest prep for these guys, getting all that in then living with it inside you.
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it would be, I think this kind of stack can become the hardest part about a contest prep for these guys, getting all that in then living with it inside you.
its about 28ml of oil a week leading up to a show.
No shots 5 days out for me,
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it would be, I think this kind of stack can become the hardest part about a contest prep for these guys, getting all that in then living with it inside you.
So... what is a typical off season stack that you'd use when you're actually trying to pack on muscle? We all always want to know the contest stack because it's the most complicated, but I'd be interested in hearing a real, no shit competitors off season stack
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its about 28ml of oil a week leading up to a show.
No shots 5 days out for me,
28ml...for you?
the cycle above is about 50ml a week!
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So... what is a typical off season stack that you'd use when you're actually trying to pack on muscle? We all always want to know the contest stack because it's the most complicated, but I'd be interested in hearing a real, no shit competitors off season stack
I dont have long extended off seasons or havent yet.
1.5-2gms test cyp
700mg tren
700mg npp
100mg dianabol daily
something like that maybe if making a concerted effort off season to add muscle.
I am more a grow in to a show type of guy meaning I make my best progress when under 16 weeks out from competition.
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I wouldn't be in this league of usage but it sounds possible, some things seem a bit off like 2.6gms of test up until a week out, that should be tapered down and then stopped 10 days out IMO.
1-test cyp is not the same as test. it has very little, to no water retention. so dont count it in the test total. its basically a cheaper version of primo.
The test is switched to short esters 8 weeks out and then switched to test no ester 4 weeks out so it just needs 7 days to clear as TNE has a 12 hour half life.
You are correct that this is the hardest part of contest prep. At the high ranking pro level, contest prep can and often will take you to a very, very dark place. A lot of guys turn to recreational drug use during contest prep because it becomes very hard to keep sticking yourself with needles and not feel like you are killing yourself a little more everyday.
I remember locking myself in the bathroom with 3-5 syringes in front of me that i had to pin, during contest prep. After a while, I just could not handle it any more. That is the main reason I stopped competing.
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the jewish menace will be stopped
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I dont have long extended off seasons or havent yet.
1.5-2gms test cyp
700mg tren
700mg npp
100mg dianabol daily
something like that maybe if making a concerted effort off season to add muscle.
I am more a grow in to a show type of guy meaning I make my best progress when under 16 weeks out from competition.
so, do you do anything differently growing into a show than most people do when prepping? I.E. do you start your prep early abd keep using higher doses of traditional 'bulking' drugs at the start of your prep and then switch them out, or do you just start your prep like normal and grow off the contest cycle?
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it would be, I think this kind of stack can become the hardest part about a contest prep for these guys, getting all that in then living with it inside you.
that would kill me.
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28ml...for you?
the cycle above is about 50ml a week!
My reckoning is 28ml for the last week of the course above
1400mgs mast =14ml @100mgs per ml
same for the tren hex
Thats 28ml
Me , I took around 6-9ml for 4 weeks
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1-test cyp is not the same as test. it has very little, to no water retention. so dont count it in the test total. its basically a cheaper version of primo.
The test is switched to short esters 8 weeks out and then switched to test no ester 4 weeks out so it just needs 7 days to clear as TNE has a 12 hour half life.
You are correct that this is the hardest part of contest prep. At the high ranking pro level, contest prep can and often will take you to a very, very dark place. A lot of guys turn to recreational drug use during contest prep because it becomes very hard to keep sticking yourself with needles and not feel like you are killing yourself a little more everyday.
I remember locking myself in the bathroom with 3-5 syringes in front of me that i had to pin, during contest prep. After a while, I just could not handle it any more. That is the main reason I stopped competing.
I see...forgot about the switch from prop to free base and thought 1 test cyp was just regular test cyp, we dont get that over here.
Were you an amateur or professional when you competed? How long were you in the game for? Did you take anything yourself rec wise or to help sleeping?
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My reckoning is 28ml for the last week of the course above
1400mgs mast =14ml @100mgs per ml
same for the tren hex
Thats 28ml
Me , I took around 6-9ml for 4 weeks
I doubt all the gear is 100-200mg/ml. Its almost all UGL steroids with the exception of the testred, androxy, and a couple other items. Most guys when they knew they will be shooting that much oil get custom blended high dosed ugl gear. I've seen 200mg mast prop, 200mg tren hex, eq can hold up to 500mg/ml, so can test depot blends...
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any reason the gh is so low or is that more common than what we are used to hearing?
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16 week contest prep cycle for a competitor in this weekends europa from his coach...thought you guys would enjoy, been very busy.
16 weeks out
1,000mg test cyp weekly
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
700mg tren hex weekly
15iu humalog AM
15iu humulin-R pre workout
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
120mcg clen
100mcg t3
40mg valeant tested pre workout
1mg anastrazole EOD
20mg tamox EOD
12 weeks out
1,000mg test cyp weekly
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
1050mg tren hex weekly
700mg masteron prop weekly
50mg upsher smith oxandralone ED
15iu humalog AM
15iu humulin-R pre workout
15iu humalog before second post workout meal
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
120mcg clen
100mcg t3
40mg valeant tested pre workout
1mg anastrazole EOD
20mg tamox EOD
8 weeks out
1,400mg test prop weekly
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
1,400mg tren hex weekly
1,050mg masteron prop weekly
50mg upsher-smith oxandralone ED
100mg winstrol suspended in everclear ED (orally)
15iu humulin-R pre workout
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
120mcg clen
150mcg t3
1mg anastrazole ED
20mg tamox ED
4 weeks out
1,400mg test no ester weekly (1cc 2x/day)
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
1,400mg tren hex weekly
1,400mg masteron prop weekly
50mg upsher-smith oxandralone ED
200mg winstrol suspended in everclear ED (orally, 2x/day)
30mg upsher-smith androxy ED
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
160mcg clen
150mcg t3
1mg anastrazole ED
20mg tamox ED
1 week out
1,400mg tren hex weekly
1,400mg masteron prop weekly
100mg upsher-smith oxandralone ED
300mg winstrol suspended in everclear ED (orally, 3x/day)
40mg upsher-smith androxy ED
100mg anadrol ED
50mcg t4
160mcg clen
150mcg t3
1mg anastrazole ED
20mg tamox ED
Who is the competitor? Is it anonymous?
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I see...forgot about the switch from prop to free base and thought 1 test cyp was just regular test cyp, we dont get that over here.
Were you an amateur or professional when you competed? How long were you in the game for? Did you take anything yourself rec wise or to help sleeping?
I missed my pro card narrowly a few times. I don't like to give too much information because after I left bodybuilding, I got a "normal" life (corporate job, family, etc) and honestly my previous identity as a fake tanned, illegal steroid using bodybuilder is pretty much hidden from everyone - especially at work (obviously I cannot hide it from my family, but I don't talk about it in a positive light). I like this forum but I've seen how people's real lives have been messed with. I don't want that to happen to me.
In retrospect, it was a one of a kind experience but it probably cost me years off my life in the long run and it got so overwhelming from all the sick shit I had to do to my body.
I still have a couple close friends that are in the bodybuilding scene and one is a top level "guru" - so he often shares with me what his clients are doing. I post it here because it seems to satisfy some morbid curiosity that everyone wants to know what these guys are doing to their bodies..
To answer your questions...
I took a lot of GHB, ketamine and ecstasy when I was a bodybuilder. It was part of the scene just like steroids.
I took GHB to sleep mostly.
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Excellent, thanks for sharing! A few questions if you don't mind...
1) why tren hex? Less frequent injections?
2) what's the reasoning for humalog in the morning, and humilin-r pre-workout? Is the humilin so that it's peak hits after the workout, not during? Also, why stop insulin four weeks out?
3) GH seems low... is this a conscious decision? Or is it due to lack of availability?
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I missed my pro card narrowly a few times. I don't like to give too much information because after I left bodybuilding, I got a "normal" life (corporate job, family, etc) and honestly my previous identity as a fake tanned, illegal steroid using bodybuilder is pretty much hidden from everyone - especially at work (obviously I cannot hide it from my family, but I don't talk about it in a positive light). I like this forum but I've seen how people's real lives have been messed with. I don't want that to happen to me.
In retrospect, it was a one of a kind experience but it probably cost me years off my life in the long run and it got so overwhelming from all the sick shit I had to do to my body.
I still have a couple close friends that are in the bodybuilding scene and one is a top level "guru" - so he often shares with me what his clients are doing. I post it here because it seems to satisfy some morbid curiosity that everyone wants to know what these guys are doing to their bodies..
To answer your questions...
I took a lot of GHB, ketamine and ecstasy when I was a bodybuilder. It was part of the scene just like steroids.
I took GHB to sleep mostly.
how do you sleep now? i've been done with the shit for years, but i still sleep horribly.
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Can you include the guru prescribed ancillaries for sides with that cycle BFG? ie:bp meds/doses, ed meds, mood/anxiety, sleep
Running a cycle like that has to be tough.
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any reason the gh is so low or is that more common than what we are used to hearing?
Probably because humatrope is really expensive.
Only a handful of the top guys can afford to run high doses of pharm grade gh. Which - I guess, is what keeps them at the top, in many ways.
If i recall, Evan Centopani gets serostim pretty cheap because he has a friend or something who was diagnosed with AIDS wasting. Same with Victor Martinez and his crew...they get their stuff from AIDS patients directly.
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understand your need for privacy and again thanks for sharing.
The Ketamine and E was when you were not prepping though right?
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Probably because humatrope is really expensive.
Only a handful of the top guys can afford to run high doses of pharm grade gh. Which - I guess, is what keeps them at the top, in many ways.
If i recall, Evan Centopani gets serostim pretty cheap because he has a friend or something who was diagnosed with AIDS wasting. Same with Victor Martinez and his crew...they get their stuff from AIDS patients directly.
For someone who wants people to respect his privacy you seem a little blasé about posting other peoples information.
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Can you include the guru prescribed ancillaries for sides with that cycle BFG? ie:bp meds/doses, ed meds, mood/anxiety, sleep
Running a cycle like that has to be tough.
lol @ "prescribed"...these are illegally obtained drugs, mostly from AIDS patients, given to bodybuilders from some guy who is not even a personal trainer. "Gurus"/coaches rarely give a shit or even mention the sides you mentioned.
Most guys get blood pressure meds from India from an overseas internet pharm.
ED meds? Probably viagra and/or cialis. Not something most document.
Mood/anxiety - most guys pop xanax and adderall literally all day. and drink GHB or GBL to fall asleep. I personally think that a lot of the guys getting health issues now is because of the GBL.
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understand your need for privacy and again thanks for sharing.
The Ketamine and E was when you were not prepping though right?
The ketamine and E were especially when I was prepping. It really makes no difference on your physique, to be quite frank, when you are running that much shit. K-Holes were my best friend during contest prep.
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For someone who wants people to respect his privacy you seem a little blasé about posting other peoples information.
Fair enough but this board is called "gossip and opinions." What I said classifies as "gossip." I'm not about to call Evan Centopani's place of work (though I dont think he has a 9-5 anymore, but you get my point) and tell them he buys drugs from AIDS patients, lol.
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All Drugs and nothing else. Figures.
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Ah ok, K only tried that once, basically just felt like a tranquilized cat, E plenty times but then all I will want to do is find the nearest rave and skip my meals lol
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Fair enough but this board is called "gossip and opinions." What I said classifies as "gossip." I'm not about to call Evan Centopani's place of work (though I dont think he has a 9-5 anymore, but you get my point) and tell them he buys drugs from AIDS patients, lol.
No, but you could just leave peoples names out altogether rather than namedropping.
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how do you sleep now? i've been done with the shit for years, but i still sleep horribly.
It took some time but I actually sleep well now. really, the main reason I couldn't sleep before was because of all the tren and shit.
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No, but you could just leave peoples names out altogether rather than namedropping.
But that wouldn't really be gossip and would be far less interesting to read? Is it supposed to be some kind of secret that these guys take illegal drugs?
If you know Evan or Vic personally and I offended you by posting that, sorry, it was unintentional. I would not do anything to hurt their lives or sponsorship agreements. I only post this stuff anonymously here, because I know it would not effect anyone through this medium but still provide to be interesting.
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wow , what happens when these gay connection die .....
on that note
me and my girlfriend went to west hollywood 2 years ago , never been there for the halloween gay parade , she has been there a couple times and said it wasnt really all that gay , so we head out, every gay dude out there was ripped and shredded
my brother works at a pharmacy and he told me gay dudes are jacked because they get steroids and GH to help keep their weight up due to aids.
i need to find me a gay connection lol
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There was an idiot on here that did 105 shots per week.....looked just OK. :(
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But that wouldn't really be gossip and would be far less interesting to read? Is it supposed to be some kind of secret that these guys take illegal drugs?
If you know Evan or Vic personally and I offended you by posting that, sorry, it was unintentional. I would not do anything to hurt their lives or sponsorship agreements. I only post this stuff anonymously here, because I know it would not effect anyone through this medium but still provide to be interesting.
Exactly who cares no offense simple Simon but this insider information is really entertaining who reads get big anyway a bunch of bodybuilders shmoes and no bodies. Great information big that stack looks truthful I can believe that. Shit my gymrat buddy is on 2grams of test 1 gram tren gram equipose and gh orals when he has it. He's like 220 and pretty lean. To be at the top you need time under big doses of hormones and an excellent response.
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wow , what happens when these gay connection die .....
on that note
me and my girlfriend went to west hollywood 2 years ago , never been there for the halloween gay parade , she has been there a couple times and said it wasnt really all that gay , so we head out, every gay dude out there was ripped and shredded
my brother works at a pharmacy and he told me gay dudes are jacked because they get steroids and GH to help keep their weight up due to aids.
i need to find me a gay connection lol
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=profile;u=81354
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I missed my pro card narrowly a few times.
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wow , what happens when these gay connection die .....
on that note
me and my girlfriend went to west hollywood 2 years ago , never been there for the halloween gay parade , she has been there a couple times and said it wasnt really all that gay , so we head out, every gay dude out there was ripped and shredded
my brother works at a pharmacy and he told me gay dudes are jacked because they get steroids and GH to help keep their weight up due to aids.
i need to find me a gay connection lol
You are aware that straight people have AIDS, as well, and not all gay people have AIDS, either?
It doesn't really have so much to do with being gay as it does with doing meth. The guys that have AIDS wasting are into "party and play." This means they do meth and have often unprotected sex parties while high, sometimes for days at a time. Usually fueled by meth, poppers, G and K. Unsurprisingly, they get AIDS.
AIDS by itself, when taking HAART meds rarely causing wasting anymore. But AIDS plus meth plus the druggie lifestyle = wasting. So, they get prescribed serostim, oxandralone, test, etc. Many are on medicaid and disability so they get the stuff basically for free. Then they sell it to bodybuilders and they use the funds to buy meth. They get 4 kits every month.
I remember buying like 20 serostim kits once back when I was competing and the guy giving them to me said "yeah this stuff makes my hands hurt, i never use it."
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BFG,steroid guru and almost professional bodybuilder........just like all getbiggers.
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Is that winny really suspended in Everclear as in the alcoholic beverage?? Never heard of that before. Better than water as far as keeping it sterile I'm guessing?
Thanks for the answers BFG
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my insiders tell me that BFG used to take
Testosterone Enanthate- 10,000mg per week, weeks 1-10
Equipoise - 8,000mg per week, weeks 1-10
Dianabol - 150-175mg per day, weeks 1-5/6
Testosterone suspension - 1000mg per day, weeks 1-4/5
Finajet/Trenbolone - 1500mg per day, last 4-6 weeks
Winstrol at the last - 1000mg per day, last 4-6 weeks
Its twoo
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BFG,steroid guru and almost professional bodybuilder........just like all getbiggers.
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If you don't believe me, what does it matter? The subject of this thread has really nothing to do with me. I never even claimed to write the stack. Its just an interesting point of conversation for this board.
I understand not believing me, though. I probably wouldn't either.
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lol @ "prescribed"...these are illegally obtained drugs, mostly from AIDS patients, given to bodybuilders from some guy who is not even a personal trainer. "Gurus"/coaches rarely give a shit or even mention the sides you mentioned.
Most guys get blood pressure meds from India from an overseas internet pharm.
ED meds? Probably viagra and/or cialis. Not something most document.
Mood/anxiety - most guys pop xanax and adderall literally all day. and drink GHB or GBL to fall asleep. I personally think that a lot of the guys getting health issues now is because of the GBL.
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The illegal nature of all this is completely understood and I guess I'm not too surprised at the lack of the focus on controlling the life threatening sides at that level. Europa pays what? 10k maybe? Sersostim by itself is dam near a stack a kit. I can't imagine this competitor is even making much more than what he spends prepping food/drugs/supps wise. That really sucks for these guys man. Sticking that much really sucks. Knots, serum sickness, anxiety...... These guys really go through a lot for this game and for a guy that can't place it's just insanity. Now as far as gurus not addressing things like bp is seriously fucked up. Complete lack of conscience or an out of sight, out of mind type thing I guess. Adderall too? Isn't that just straight amphetamine salt?
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If you don't believe me, what does it matter? The subject of this thread has really nothing to do with me. I never even claimed to write the stack. Its just an interesting point of conversation for this board.
I understand not believing me, though. I probably wouldn't either.
I never believe most of the shit you post............because it`s not true.
You sound like a White Widow gimmick.
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Is that winny really suspended in Everclear as in the alcoholic beverage?? Never heard of that before. Better than water as far as keeping it sterile I'm guessing?
Thanks for the answers BFG
I think it has less to do with sterility and more to do with avoiding lumps and swelling precontest from suspension injections. winny suspension really fucking hurts
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I never believe most of the shit you post............because it`s not true.
You sound like a White Widow gimmick.
Okay. Then why post in this thread?
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Okay. Then why post in this thread?
To highlight the potential bullshitting?
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I think it has less to do with sterility and more to do with avoiding lumps and swelling precontest from suspension injections. winny suspension really fucking hurts
I know a ton of top bodybuilders and none of them use Winny at all in any form...........unless it was a freebee.
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BFG,steroid guru and almost professional bodybuilder........just like all getbiggers.
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what's the matter Wes, once bitten, twice shy??
haha, just razzing a fellow old man, by the way, i've read bfg's posts for a while, and always found him way more believable than that other 'under cover pro'. - you know the one.
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To highlight the potential bullshitting?
Is this going to turn into one of those "the pros use moderate doses" arguments? lol
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what's the matter Wes, once bitten, twice shy??
haha, just razzing a fellow old man, by the way, i've read bfg's posts for a while, and always found him way more believable than that other 'under cover pro'. - you know the one.
I don`t know Rick,I get a certain vibe from his posts and info,but if you vouch for him,I`ll lay off.
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I like BFG's take on things. He's ok in my book. I see no harm in what he's doing.
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I know a ton of top bodybuilders and none of them use Winny at all in any form...........unless it was a freebee.
So, your conclusion is that zero top bodybuilders use winstrol?
I am not trying to start shit or argue with anyone (I don't really know anybody here, anyway). I am just always puzzled at the people that enter threads I start with such random hostility.
If you don't believe me, okay no problem lol. but please dont tell me you believe that pro bodybuilders use moderate doses of steroids.
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Is this going to turn into one of those "the pros use moderate doses" arguments? lol
Probably not, it will just stay a "all pros take huge amounts that would kill most people" thread.
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There was an idiot on here that did 105 shots per week.....looked just OK. :(
JESUS fucking Christ
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Probably not, it will just stay a "all pros take huge amounts that would kill most people" thread.
A lot of pros have health issues, are dying, or are dead. So its not like they are immune.
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I dont have long extended off seasons or havent yet.
1.5-2gms test cyp
700mg tren
700mg npp
100mg dianabol daily
something like that maybe if making a concerted effort off season to add muscle.
I am more a grow in to a show type of guy meaning I make my best progress when under 16 weeks out from competition.
No gh? This is an expensive sport!!
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JESUS fucking Christ
I know bro.................he was a NABBA pro from Sweden or some shit and looked like he was doing about a gram and a half of gear per week.
What a waste.
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Is this going to turn into one of those "the pros use moderate doses" arguments? lol
Funny how the coach is also one to believe this shit ::) that competitors run "moderate" dosages haha
All these guys are taking as much as they can to give them the edge, all top amat and pros
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So, your conclusion is that zero top bodybuilders use winstrol?
I am not trying to start shit or argue with anyone (I don't really know anybody here, anyway). I am just always puzzled at the people that enter threads I start with such random hostility.
If you don't believe me, okay no problem lol. but please dont tell me you believe that pro bodybuilders use moderate doses of steroids.
I`m out.
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I like BFG's take on things. He's ok in my book. I see no harm in what he's doing.
It just sucks hearing the truth, in my opinion.
Im not a delusional little kid that thinks wrestling is real or ronnie was natural when he won his pro card.
Its just disheartening hearing about to astronomical doses and rec drug use required to be top national level let alone a pro.
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It just sucks hearing the truth, in my opinion.
Im not a delusional little kid that thinks wrestling is real or ronnie was natural when he won his pro card.
Its just disheartening hearing about to astronomical doses and rec drug use required to be top national level let alone a pro.
My posts weren`t because I believe that pros use moderate dosages.
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It just sucks hearing the truth, in my opinion.
Im not a delusional little kid that thinks wrestling is real or ronnie was natural when he won his pro card.
Its just disheartening hearing about to astronomical doses and rec drug use required to be top national level let alone a pro.
You take that back right now.
(http://i31.tinypic.com/2ednjg5.jpg)
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It just sucks hearing the truth, in my opinion.
Im not a delusional little kid that thinks wrestling is real or ronnie was natural when he won his pro card.
Its just disheartening hearing about to astronomical doses and rec drug use required to be top national level let alone a pro.
It shouldnt be disheartening. Most people can look great on low to moderate amounts of steroids and no growth hormone.
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My posts weren`t because I believe that pros use moderate dosages.
Oh no, I know that pro's arent on moderate doses. I think the doses vary from person to person, but I know that saying any of them are on less than a couple grams weekly is delusional.
You take that back right now.
(http://i31.tinypic.com/2ednjg5.jpg)
ITS STILL REAL TO ME DAMMIT
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It shouldnt be disheartening. Most people can look great on low to moderate amounts of steroids and no growth hormone.
Yes, but the problem is that the amount of drugs the pros are supposed to be using doesn't distance them that much(pro rata) from your well built gym rat in size or condition.
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16 week contest prep cycle for a competitor in this weekends europa from his coach...thought you guys would enjoy, been very busy.
16 weeks out
1,000mg test cyp weekly
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
700mg tren hex weekly
15iu humalog AM
15iu humulin-R pre workout
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
120mcg clen
100mcg t3
40mg valeant tested pre workout
1mg anastrazole EOD
20mg tamox EOD
12 weeks out
1,000mg test cyp weekly
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
1050mg tren hex weekly
700mg masteron prop weekly
50mg upsher smith oxandralone ED
15iu humalog AM
15iu humulin-R pre workout
15iu humalog before second post workout meal
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
120mcg clen
100mcg t3
40mg valeant tested pre workout
1mg anastrazole EOD
20mg tamox EOD
8 weeks out
1,400mg test prop weekly
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
1,400mg tren hex weekly
1,050mg masteron prop weekly
50mg upsher-smith oxandralone ED
100mg winstrol suspended in everclear ED (orally)
15iu humulin-R pre workout
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
120mcg clen
150mcg t3
1mg anastrazole ED
20mg tamox ED
4 weeks out
1,400mg test no ester weekly (1cc 2x/day)
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
1,400mg tren hex weekly
1,400mg masteron prop weekly
50mg upsher-smith oxandralone ED
200mg winstrol suspended in everclear ED (orally, 2x/day)
30mg upsher-smith androxy ED
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
160mcg clen
150mcg t3
1mg anastrazole ED
20mg tamox ED
1 week out
1,400mg tren hex weekly
1,400mg masteron prop weekly
100mg upsher-smith oxandralone ED
300mg winstrol suspended in everclear ED (orally, 3x/day)
40mg upsher-smith androxy ED
100mg anadrol ED
50mcg t4
160mcg clen
150mcg t3
1mg anastrazole ED
20mg tamox ED
All these gear are bad quality Ugl.
They can't be hg.
no human can support 1.4gr of hg tren hex plus anadrol, t3 t4 clen etc.
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Yes, but the problem is that the amount of drugs the pros are supposed to be using doesn't distance them that much(pro rata) from your well built gym rat in size or condition.
6 grams is the sweet spot. ;)
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6 grams is the sweet spot. ;)
anything less than 5 grams is essentially HRT/TRT and should be used for a "fitness" look.
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16 week contest prep cycle for a competitor in this weekends europa from his coach...thought you guys would enjoy, been very busy.
16 weeks out
1,000mg test cyp weekly
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
700mg tren hex weekly
15iu humalog AM
15iu humulin-R pre workout
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
120mcg clen
100mcg t3
40mg valeant tested pre workout
1mg anastrazole EOD
20mg tamox EOD
12 weeks out
1,000mg test cyp weekly
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
1050mg tren hex weekly
700mg masteron prop weekly
50mg upsher smith oxandralone ED
15iu humalog AM
15iu humulin-R pre workout
15iu humalog before second post workout meal
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
120mcg clen
100mcg t3
40mg valeant tested pre workout
1mg anastrazole EOD
20mg tamox EOD
8 weeks out
1,400mg test prop weekly
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
1,400mg tren hex weekly
1,050mg masteron prop weekly
50mg upsher-smith oxandralone ED
100mg winstrol suspended in everclear ED (orally)
15iu humulin-R pre workout
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
120mcg clen
150mcg t3
1mg anastrazole ED
20mg tamox ED
4 weeks out
1,400mg test no ester weekly (1cc 2x/day)
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
1,400mg tren hex weekly
1,400mg masteron prop weekly
50mg upsher-smith oxandralone ED
200mg winstrol suspended in everclear ED (orally, 2x/day)
30mg upsher-smith androxy ED
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
160mcg clen
150mcg t3
1mg anastrazole ED
20mg tamox ED
1 week out
1,400mg tren hex weekly
1,400mg masteron prop weekly
100mg upsher-smith oxandralone ED
300mg winstrol suspended in everclear ED (orally, 3x/day)
40mg upsher-smith androxy ED
100mg anadrol ED
50mcg t4
160mcg clen
150mcg t3
1mg anastrazole ED
20mg tamox ED
Ideal first course for a newbie after 6 weeks training.
Contact my website for further ..ermmm details. ;)
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anything less than 5 grams is essentially HRT/TRT and should be used for a "fitness" look.
I know. ;D
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Yes, but the problem is that the amount of drugs the pros are supposed to be using doesn't distance them that much(pro rata) from your well built gym rat in size or condition.
Depends on the pro. There are some pro bodybuilders who dont even look human. Then there are some who aren't especially impressive.
Bodybuilding is just a competition of genetics but I guess because of the personalities it attracts, you get people that are unwilling to accept their limitations and keep pushing more and more cc's thus you see these outrageous doses.
Theres always that voice that makes you wonder if the other guys are going to look just 1% better to beat you because they took that extra cc every week.
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its takes a special kind of human being to be a bodybuilder what kind of mindset you must have to be able to stick all these drugs in your body year after year and not doing well in the contests making shit money but still continue to pursue the dream year after year, gotta give them some respect cause that shit is tough to do.
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All these gear are bad quality Ugl.
They can't be hg.
no human can support 1.4gr of hg tren hex plus anadrol, t3 t4 clen etc.
There is no such thing as human grade tren, 1-test cyp, eq or winstrol.
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All these gear are bad quality Ugl.
They can't be hg.
no human can support 1.4gr of hg tren hex plus anadrol, t3 t4 clen etc.
You don't know much do you. There's gymrats on 15s board running 200-300 mg of good fucken tren ed! You mindset is old school.
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There is no such thing as human grade tren, 1-test cyp, eq or winstrol.
You sure about that?
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You sure about that?
I dont think they make human grade winstrol any more?
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330 pounds I can only imagine big rami stack.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/p133x133/10171798_479768645457035_4539547144205648376_n.jpg)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/t1.0-9/p350x350/10256058_748193988548676_6644700365904488945_n.jpg)
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I dont think they make human grade winstrol any more?
(http://anabolkoks.prv.pl/winstrol_desma_spain.JPG)
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(http://anabolkoks.prv.pl/winstrol_desma_spain.JPG)
Its still prescribed overseas? I just tried googling it and did not find a clear cut answer. I dont think Winthrop still makes the stuff in the US.
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Its still prescribed overseas? I just tried googling it and did not find a clear cut answer. I dont think Winthrop still makes the stuff in the US.
Desma (Zambon) is sold over the counter in Spain (not as much as it used to be mind)
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Desma (Zambon) is sold over the counter in Spain (not as much as it used to be mind)
Google tells me that apparently its still prescribed in the US for a condition called "hereditary angioedema"
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Google tells me that apparently its still prescribed in the US for a condition called "hereditary angioedema"
what is the reason behind using wintrol? Doesnt it behave a lot like masteron with the added benefits of sore joints?
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what is the reason behind using wintrol? Doesnt it behave a lot like masteron with the added benefits of sore joints?
Dries you out like crazy even more than mast. It adds more lean mass too. Of course these guys are going to go the ugl route it's cheaper a lot suspend liquid orals in alcohol. Even research chefs come that way. It may not be as potent as hg but way cheaper 100 amps of winny would break the bank.
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what is the reason behind using wintrol? Doesnt it behave a lot like masteron with the added benefits of sore joints?
Winstrol = abscess in a bottle. :(
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1) why tren hex? Less frequent injections?
2) what's the reasoning for humalog in the morning, and humilin-r pre-workout? Is the humilin so that it's peak hits after the workout, not during? Also, why stop insulin four weeks out?
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Winstrol = abscess in a bottle. :(
Access = winny in a bottle?
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Access = winny in a bottle?
You say tomato,I say tamato lol :D
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1) why tren hex? Less frequent injections?
2) what's the reasoning for humalog in the morning, and humilin-r pre-workout? Is the humilin so that it's peak hits after the workout, not during? Also, why stop insulin four weeks out?
1) some people feel that tren hex is superior to acetate and enanthate. Makes no sense on paper as the hex ester is quite heavy so you get less hormone per mg. But who really knows...parabolan was amazing stuff and that was tren hex...but it was also human grade tren.
2) humalog IM shot right before breakfast to get max nutrient shuttling in first meal/humulin-r IM shot 30 mins pre workout so that you get the first peak intra workout and the second peak right at post workout. Drop slin 4 weeks out to reduce overall carb intake when dieting.
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I don't see anything crazy in this competitors cycle. 16weeks out he's only on a gram of test, 1-test-cyp is fairly weak compound similar to eq, and the eq dose is just about right for getting anything out of eq. 700 tren isn't crazy either. Also 6ui of hgh isn't that much (albeit it is HG). I'm almost surprised whoever he is doesn't up the test 3x and add another bulker like 2g of deca. For a pro, I'm shocked, small cycle
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16 week contest prep cycle for a competitor in this weekends europa from his coach...thought you guys would enjoy, been very busy.
16 weeks out
1,000mg test cyp weekly
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
700mg tren hex weekly
15iu humalog AM
15iu humulin-R pre workout
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
120mcg clen
100mcg t3
40mg valeant tested pre workout
1mg anastrazole EOD
20mg tamox EOD
12 weeks out
1,000mg test cyp weekly
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
1050mg tren hex weekly
700mg masteron prop weekly
50mg upsher smith oxandralone ED
15iu humalog AM
15iu humulin-R pre workout
15iu humalog before second post workout meal
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
120mcg clen
100mcg t3
40mg valeant tested pre workout
1mg anastrazole EOD
20mg tamox EOD
8 weeks out
1,400mg test prop weekly
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
1,400mg tren hex weekly
1,050mg masteron prop weekly
50mg upsher-smith oxandralone ED
100mg winstrol suspended in everclear ED (orally)
15iu humulin-R pre workout
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
120mcg clen
150mcg t3
1mg anastrazole ED
20mg tamox ED
4 weeks out
1,400mg test no ester weekly (1cc 2x/day)
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
1,400mg tren hex weekly
1,400mg masteron prop weekly
50mg upsher-smith oxandralone ED
200mg winstrol suspended in everclear ED (orally, 2x/day)
30mg upsher-smith androxy ED
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
160mcg clen
150mcg t3
1mg anastrazole ED
20mg tamox ED
1 week out
1,400mg tren hex weekly
1,400mg masteron prop weekly
100mg upsher-smith oxandralone ED
300mg winstrol suspended in everclear ED (orally, 3x/day)
40mg upsher-smith androxy ED
100mg anadrol ED
50mcg t4
160mcg clen
150mcg t3
1mg anastrazole ED
20mg tamox ED
Does this stack necessitate daily fanny pack usage?
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Finishing touch.
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Does this stack necessitate daily fanny pack usage?
:D
Fanny pack dosage of peace
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1) some people feel that tren hex is superior to acetate and enanthate. Makes no sense on paper as the hex ester is quite heavy so you get less hormone per mg. But who really knows...parabolan was amazing stuff and that was tren hex...but it was also human grade tren.
2) humalog IM shot right before breakfast to get max nutrient shuttling in first meal/humulin-r IM shot 30 mins pre workout so that you get the first peak intra workout and the second peak right at post workout. Drop slin 4 weeks out to reduce overall carb intake when dieting.
Good stuff, that's about what I figured. I'm sure much of this comes down to personal preference, and may not necessarily follow the conventional logic.
Thanks for posting, these threads are always informative & fun
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Wow, I wonder how much that would cost per month for that kind of drug regimen?
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Wow, I wonder how much that would cost per month for that kind of drug regimen?
In USD or posing sessions?
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Wow, I wonder how much that would cost per month for that kind of drug regimen?
You and me both. Human pin cushion!
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Seven.
It costs seven.
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BFG!? Nice to see someone who never forgot his Roald Dahl. :)
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the jewish menace will be stopped
Hahaha LOL!
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I appreciate BFG's post, I believe him( of course I am nobody and naive)
BFG, I seem to be hearing that 6ius GH is about where alot of the pros are at, do you think anymore is necessary? Its so fucking expensive. It seems that seros are the most popular because like you say they get them from aids patients, besides seros I dont know how they can afford them. What about IGF? I heard that a couple top guys from the east coast are running some serious increlex. I personally dont trust these peptide companies, whats your take
Thanks
Chubz
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Is that winny really suspended in Everclear as in the alcoholic beverage?? Never heard of that before. Better than water as far as keeping it sterile I'm guessing?
Thanks for the answers BFG
Never suspended powders but I think with alcohol you can make it a solution, meaning it doesn't
separate. I think a certain percentage of glycerol can be added to the alcohol for the same reason. I'm
sure there are recipes on the net. I don't think sterility has anything to do with it, perhaps stability of the hormone (shelf life)?
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Bros, you think that's a heavy stack? Our own cswole did heavy stacks!
How about 2 grams of test per day for 1 year straight?!!
BOOOM!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=484428.0;attach=526629;image)
I remember cswol taking a bottle of test per day
he was able to get them cheap in mex
imagine taking 10cc per day for 365 days?
I tried a bottle per week
he tried a bottle per day
this was 2000
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16 week contest prep cycle for a competitor in this weekends europa from his coach...thought you guys would enjoy, been very busy.
16 weeks out
1,000mg test cyp weekly
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
700mg tren hex weekly
15iu humalog AM
15iu humulin-R pre workout
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
120mcg clen
100mcg t3
40mg valeant tested pre workout
1mg anastrazole EOD
20mg tamox EOD
12 weeks out
1,000mg test cyp weekly
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
1050mg tren hex weekly
700mg masteron prop weekly
50mg upsher smith oxandralone ED
15iu humalog AM
15iu humulin-R pre workout
15iu humalog before second post workout meal
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
120mcg clen
100mcg t3
40mg valeant tested pre workout
1mg anastrazole EOD
20mg tamox EOD
8 weeks out
1,400mg test prop weekly
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
1,400mg tren hex weekly
1,050mg masteron prop weekly
50mg upsher-smith oxandralone ED
100mg winstrol suspended in everclear ED (orally)
15iu humulin-R pre workout
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
120mcg clen
150mcg t3
1mg anastrazole ED
20mg tamox ED
4 weeks out
1,400mg test no ester weekly (1cc 2x/day)
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
1,400mg tren hex weekly
1,400mg masteron prop weekly
50mg upsher-smith oxandralone ED
200mg winstrol suspended in everclear ED (orally, 2x/day)
30mg upsher-smith androxy ED
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
160mcg clen
150mcg t3
1mg anastrazole ED
20mg tamox ED
1 week out
1,400mg tren hex weekly
1,400mg masteron prop weekly
100mg upsher-smith oxandralone ED
300mg winstrol suspended in everclear ED (orally, 3x/day)
40mg upsher-smith androxy ED
100mg anadrol ED
50mcg t4
160mcg clen
150mcg t3
1mg anastrazole ED
20mg tamox ED
wonder who his source is for the 1-test. i think there are only a handful of UGLs that sell it.
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Bros, you think that's a heavy stack? Our own cswole did heavy stacks!
How about 2 grams of test per day for 1 year straight?!!
BOOOM!
To be fair, he may have looked better while running all that gear. It's unlikely, but I choose to give him the benefit of the doubt ;D ;D
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interesting life choice
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esf fitness cruises on that bro
LOL.
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wonder who his source is for the 1-test. i think there are only a handful of UGLs that sell it.
for a natty athlete you seem to know a lot about it. ??? ::)
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How much does this stack cost? Hope this guy did place well, if not it wasn't worth.
Eating like a pig, using roids like a pharmacy and not getting any cash *lol* this must suck ::) ::) ;D
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How much does this stack cost? Hope this guy did place well, if not it wasn't worth.
Eating like a pig, using roids like a pharmacy and not getting any cash *lol* this must suck ::) ::) ;D
You really think any bodybuilders do what they do for money? LOL.
It's not a career, it's an exercise in narcissism.
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lol at everyone believing this BFG troll
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You really think any bodybuilders do what they do for money? LOL.
It's not a career, it's an exercise in narcissism.
Bingo bango
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lol at everyone believing this BFG troll
everyone?
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You really think any bodybuilders do what they do for money? LOL.
It's not a career, it's an exercise in narcissism.
how is it more narcissistic than any other sport or activity where one wants to stand out and be on top. If I decided to believe that it is only an exercise in narcissism I would quit my contest prep today.
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everyone?
;)
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how is it more narcissistic than any other sport or activity where one wants to stand out and be on top. If I decided to believe that it is only an exercise in narcissism I would quit my contest prep today.
I actually thought about adding something like, "...narcissism or personal development." The point is that it's not about money, it's about achieving something that is beyond money. Only an idiot does bodybuilding with the idea of making money because bodybuilding costs money. You pay financially and potentially physically (with your health).
And adding to that, the idea that if you DID make money with your bodybuilding it would make the risks somehow more worth it, which is a ridiculous idea. Say you make some money and then die from a heart attack? How was it more worth it, you're fucking dead!
Only the individual himself can decide if something is worth doing. Outsiders deciding for others how their pursuits aren't "worth it" because they for example don't make enough money is a childish viewpoint. People here, daily in different threads, feeling sorry for guys like Ronnie or Cutler... becuase they paid too high a price, in their mind, for their success... what a joke.
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I actually thought about adding something like, "...narcissism or personal development." The point is that it's not about money, it's about achieving something that is beyond money. Only an idiot does bodybuilding with the idea of making money because bodybuilding costs money. You pay financially and potentially physically (with your health).
And adding to that, the idea that if you DID make money with your bodybuilding it would make the risks somehow more worth it, which is a ridiculous idea. Say you make some money and then die from a heart attack? How was it more worth it, you're fucking dead!
Only the individual himself can decide if something is worth doing. Outsiders deciding for others how their pursuits aren't "worth it" because they for example don't make enough money is a childish viewpoint. People here, daily in different threads, feeling sorry for guys like Ronnie or Cutler... becuase they paid too high a price, in their mind, for their success... what a joke.
As Dorian stated in London Real.. it's an individual pursuit.
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I fail to see the controversy regarding this BFG fella, and the flack he's getting.
The cycles he's listed are par for the course for the new big NPC guys I know.
He's not selling or promoting anything that I'm aware of.
He's not trying to trick or scam people or even here to "get props."
What's so unbelievable about this ???
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how is it more narcissistic than any other sport or activity where one wants to stand out and be on top. If I decided to believe that it is only an exercise in narcissism I would quit my contest prep today.
Well it's an activity in which success is directly correlated with one's outwardly appearance, which is why i suppose it could be considered narcissistic.
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I fail to see the controversy regarding this BFG fella, and the flack he's getting.
The cycles he's listed are par for the course for the new big NPC guys I know.
He's not selling or promoting anything that I'm aware of.
He's not trying to trick or scam people or even here to "get props."
What's so unbelievable about this ???
This. And it's smack dab in the middle of the extreme bullshit that we hear people spout, which is generally where the truth lies... I find it highly believable.
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Wow, this shit is crazy. The only steroid I ever took was dbol, and that was in the mid 80`s when I was on the high school football team (Chris Benoit was our high school football team`s main supplier of bennies and dbol back then in Calgary) I think I paid about $20 a bottle for dbol. The shit these pros are taking nowadays is mind-boggling.
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This. And it's smack dab in the middle of the extreme bullshit that we hear people spout, which is generally where the truth lies... I find it highly believable.
I've seen George farrahs stack for my buddy who competes on stage at 250lbs shredded. Guess what.....it was almost the exsct same doses, albeit a tad less by 500mgs or so total.
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16 week contest prep cycle for a competitor in this weekends europa from his coach...thought you guys would enjoy, been very busy.
16 weeks out
1,000mg test cyp weekly
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
700mg tren hex weekly
15iu humalog AM
15iu humulin-R pre workout
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
120mcg clen
100mcg t3
40mg valeant tested pre workout
1mg anastrazole EOD
20mg tamox EOD
12 weeks out
1,000mg test cyp weekly
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
1050mg tren hex weekly
700mg masteron prop weekly
50mg upsher smith oxandralone ED
15iu humalog AM
15iu humulin-R pre workout
15iu humalog before second post workout meal
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
120mcg clen
100mcg t3
40mg valeant tested pre workout
1mg anastrazole EOD
20mg tamox EOD
8 weeks out
1,400mg test prop weekly
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
1,400mg tren hex weekly
1,050mg masteron prop weekly
50mg upsher-smith oxandralone ED
100mg winstrol suspended in everclear ED (orally)
15iu humulin-R pre workout
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
120mcg clen
150mcg t3
1mg anastrazole ED
20mg tamox ED
4 weeks out
1,400mg test no ester weekly (1cc 2x/day)
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
1,400mg tren hex weekly
1,400mg masteron prop weekly
50mg upsher-smith oxandralone ED
200mg winstrol suspended in everclear ED (orally, 2x/day)
30mg upsher-smith androxy ED
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
160mcg clen
150mcg t3
1mg anastrazole ED
20mg tamox ED
1 week out
1,400mg tren hex weekly
1,400mg masteron prop weekly
100mg upsher-smith oxandralone ED
300mg winstrol suspended in everclear ED (orally, 3x/day)
40mg upsher-smith androxy ED
100mg anadrol ED
50mcg t4
160mcg clen
150mcg t3
1mg anastrazole ED
20mg tamox ED
sorry if this has asked / answered already, but what are we talking money wise here ?
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I've seen George farrahs stack for my buddy who competes on stage at 250lbs shredded. Guess what.....it was almost the exsct same doses, albeit a tad less by 500mgs or so total.
Noted.
And saved to disk.
Win.
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I fail to see the controversy regarding this BFG fella, and the flack he's getting.
The cycles he's listed are par for the course for the new big NPC guys I know.
He's not selling or promoting anything that I'm aware of.
He's not trying to trick or scam people or even here to "get props."
What's so unbelievable about this ???
this
this
its the deluded c.unts who think they look
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No physique is worth having to live like that.
Im 215 lb at around 10% BF on 200mgs of test every 10 days.
Is all the above worth it?
Yup. That's all I do. That stack listed on this thread is the exact reason why these guys are cutting their lifespan practically in Half.
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I fail to see the controversy regarding this BFG fella, and the flack he's getting.
The cycles he's listed are par for the course for the new big NPC guys I know.
He's not selling or promoting anything that I'm aware of.
He's not trying to trick or scam people or even here to "get props."
What's so unbelievable about this ???
He isn't selling anything, that's just an easy argument for people who don't know shit.
What he is doing is trolling/lying by claiming EVERYONE does this stack or similar, no exceptions. There is no fucking chance in hell a guy like Evan Centopani does all this shit, for instance. Everyone uses different amounts, and I can confidently say a small amount of pros use the kind of stack BFG is outlining.
Personally, I think it's pretty funny how so many people are so convinced all these pros don't care about health or if they die, as long as they place higher in contests.
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I fail to see the controversy regarding this BFG fella, and the flack he's getting.
The cycles he's listed are par for the course for the new big NPC guys I know.
He's not selling or promoting anything that I'm aware of.
He's not trying to trick or scam people or even here to "get props."
What's so unbelievable about this ???
Exactly half the board Is delusional when it comes to doses. They think if you run2 grams you should be pro size it's stupid. This cycle is 16 weeks not all year. Off season is test deca orals gh slin. Of course contest prep is more complicated intense they want to win place high right.
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He isn't selling anything, that's just an easy argument for people who don't know shit.
What he is doing is trolling/lying by claiming EVERYONE does this stack or similar, no exceptions. There is no fucking chance in hell a guy like Evan Centopani does all this shit, for instance. Everyone uses different amounts, and I can confidently say a small amount of pros use the kind of stack BFG is outlining.
Personally, I think it's pretty funny how so many people are so convinced all these pros don't care about health or if they die, as long as they place higher in contests.
What's so special about Evan he's a top12 guy he abuses just as much as everyone else maybe a bit less. He prob has a good ugl sponsoring him.
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Yup. That's all I do. That stack listed on this thread is the exact reason why these guys are cutting their lifespan practically in Half.
That's why you were never a freak or top ten in the world not saying you ever wanted that I wouldn't either.
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He isn't selling anything, that's just an easy argument for people who don't know shit.
What he is doing is trolling/lying by claiming EVERYONE does this stack or similar, no exceptions. There is no fucking chance in hell a guy like Evan Centopani does all this shit, for instance. Everyone uses different amounts, and I can confidently say a small amount of pros use the kind of stack BFG is outlining.
Personally, I think it's pretty funny how so many people are so convinced all these pros don't care about health or if they die, as long as they place higher in contests.
I guess I've never read where he made a definitive statement such as all pros use the same stack. Plus the few buddies of mine who hired Farrah, Fakeri, and Shelby Starnes, all had similar cycles, albeit a tad less total doses.
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I guess I've never read where he made a definitive statement such as all pros use the same stack. Plus the few buddies of mine who hired Farrah, Fakeri, and Shelby Starnes, all had similar cycles, albeit a tad less total doses.
I know a few guys working with fakhri Mubarak and seems legit with the dosages. Another with Hany rimjob but haven't asked what his cycle looks like
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Not unbelievable, but why tren hex during prep?
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I've seen George farrahs stack for my buddy who competes on stage at 250lbs shredded. Guess what.....it was almost the exsct same doses, albeit a tad less by 500mgs or so total.
I have well seen a stack by a popular so cal guru and it wasn't far off either. So far, I've only seen his off-season stack and its just a little short on the test in fact, with no insulin use. Bulking orals used to the tune of just 50mg/day, all the Anti-E's, 1500mg test/week + 1000mg EQ. A little deca every 10 days. Gross. With a complete disregard for ones blood pressure and lipid profile, I could see how you could run with that 8weeks +plus, ongoing.
Its worth asking, what did guys in the 70s and 80's use to look as they did? Half the stuff guys use now, didnt exist then and they looked WAAAAY better. Gyno, acne, balding, bloating free. Is anyone else getting the picture? WTF? lets discuss.
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hmmm @ slin before workouts getting ready for a show
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What a "sport".
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I guess I've never read where he made a definitive statement such as all pros use the same stack. Plus the few buddies of mine who hired Farrah, Fakeri, and Shelby Starnes, all had similar cycles, albeit a tad less total doses.
Shelby gave someone a stack similar to that?! :o :o
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Shelby Starnes is notorious for his dosages.
Look at the progress he has consistently made over the years...its not like it was a result of his super slow training/dc training/whatever gimmick he is currently pushing or eating peanut butter with his carbs pre workout.
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Shelby Starnes is notorious for his dosages.
Look at the progress he has consistently made over the years...its not like it was a result of his super slow training/dc training/whatever gimmick he is currently pushing or eating peanut butter with his carbs pre workout.
Complete bullshit. Shelby isn't even that big (comparatively speaking). If he used the stack you mentioned, he would probably be 30+ more lbs on stage. He even wrote a fucking book called "The Healthy Bodybuilder," which is a great read by the way.
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Complete bullshit. Shelby isn't even that big (comparatively speaking). If he used the stack you mentioned, he would probably be 30+ more lbs on stage. He even wrote a fucking book called "The Healthy Bodybuilder," which is a great read by the way.
Yes, because the more drugs you take the bigger you get, no matter what, regardless of genetics ::)
PM me and ill give you a stack to turn you into Ronnie Coleman
Good to know you believe whatever a pro bodybuilder writes. I heard Cutler got huge on Muscletech supplements.
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Yes, because the more drugs you take the bigger you get, no matter what, regardless of genetics ::)
PM me and ill give you a stack to turn you into Ronnie Coleman
Good to know you believe whatever a pro bodybuilder writes. I heard Cutler got huge on Muscletech supplements.
I never said that so quit putting words in my mouth. I know Shelby has average genetics at best, but I will never believe for a second he abuses the shit out of everything under the sun. I've seen all of his posts on pro muscle. Believe it or not, not EVERYONE lies. You do, though.
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You already proved your ignorance to bodybuilding with this statement:
Shelby isn't even that big (comparatively speaking). If he used the stack you mentioned, he would probably be 30+ more lbs on stage.
Then again with this one:
He even wrote a fucking book called "The Healthy Bodybuilder," which is a great read by the way.
I am not sure why you have such random hostility toward me. I have no clue who you are. But you clearly don't know much about bodybuilding and how much genetics dictate what one looks like, no matter how many drugs they take.
I am sorry it upsets you to hear that someone you seem to like/respect uses a lot of anabolic steroids.
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Complete bullshit. Shelby isn't even that big (comparatively speaking). If he used the stack you mentioned, he would probably be 30+ more lbs on stage. He even wrote a fucking book called "The Healthy Bodybuilder," which is a great read by the way.
Just curious, do you know these guys personally? Chiro does, and he's said multiple guys are running stacks like this. I don't know why you'd doubt it, it's not like they're unbelievable doses... they're high, yes... but not so high it's ludicrous like what Bostin Loyd recommend.s
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Farrah and Fakhri were the biggest cycles I saw personally. Shelby was less but not by anything drastic. PS Shelby cruises my boy on 2g off season, NO coming off year round only switching compounds, plus a fuckload of Slin. So you can imagine prep mode.
Interestingly enough, Farrah gave my buddy the usual high cycle, but forced him to come off a few times a year for 6-8 weeks, go through detox phases, etc....very conscious of doing this as safer as possible. Opposite of Shelby, though it's less total mgs per contest prep.
I'd love to see Nichols and Rimbod's to compare, but I've only heard "rumors" of doses.
Basically what I took from it was that there's no magic formulas going around....it's all the same drugs and similar doses. Pretty anti-climatic to be honest. I still enjoy reading threads like this to see what other people are doin as well though.
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Farrah and Fakhri were the biggest cycles I saw personally. Shelby was less but not by anything drastic. PS Shelby cruises my boy on 2g off season, NO coming off year round only switching compounds, plus a fuckload of Slin. So you can imagine prep mode.
Interestingly enough, Farrah gave my buddy the usual high cycle, but forced him to come off a few times a year for 6-8 weeks, go through detox phases, etc....very conscious of doing this as safer as possible. Opposite of Shelby, though it's less total mgs per contest prep.
I'd love to see Nichols and Rimbod's to compare, but I've only heard "rumors" of doses.
Basically what I took from it was that there's no magic formulas going around....it's all the same drugs and similar doses. Pretty anti-climatic to be honest. I still enjoy reading threads like this to see what other people are doin as well though.
I know Jonathan Irrizarry who is a top amat competitor who works with hany and sponsored by him with Evogen. Kuclo I see often as well. Don't know if he's willing to share but I remember him being 130/140 pounds max 5 yrs ago. He's prob 260 right now
Other guys that worked with Mubarak I know told me personally there dosages and they were high and similar to the ones listed here
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So it seems BFG was quite right with his cycle. No reason not to believe him.
That's why i'm a fuacking lousy competitor, i don't want to pin my ass twenty times a day *lol* ;D 8)
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So it seems BFG was quite right with his cycle. No reason not to believe him.
That's why i'm a fuacking lousy competitor, i don't want to pin my ass twenty times a day *lol* ;D 8)
Fact is todays competitors look worse than guys from the 70s, I would imagine people back then werent pinning 20 times a day.
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Damn that is a easy 7 grand cycle if not more just running pharma grade oxandrolone and pharma grade HGH would of costed thousands of dollars unless the oxandrolone was fake Upsher smith. I think the watson oxandrolone is a safer buy. Not many people are able to get prescribed oxandrolone,not many doctors even know what the fuck it is. This competitor could of thrown in some Tbol wich might have gotten similar results. I prefer Anavar a little more then Tbol but wouldn;t want to pay that much for it. I called walgreens and they want close to 800$ for just 60x 10mg Watson oxandrolone tabs wich they have to special order. not commonly prescribed.
Did this competitor win any cash prize? With that cycle and food plus tanning and all the other shit that comes along with competing whoever this is spent a grip of cash enough to buy a nice car. This competitor didn;t throw in a small amount of valium or xanax,maybe some oxycodone to stay sane?
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He isn't selling anything, that's just an easy argument for people who don't know shit.
What he is doing is trolling/lying by claiming EVERYONE does this stack or similar, no exceptions. There is no fucking chance in hell a guy like Evan Centopani does all this shit, for instance. Everyone uses different amounts, and I can confidently say a small amount of pros use the kind of stack BFG is outlining.
Personally, I think it's pretty funny how so many people are so convinced all these pros don't care about health or if they die, as long as they place higher in contests.
It's a scale more than either or. Some weigh heavier on the side of drugs than others. But make no mistake about it... they ALL are willing to give up a few heart beats to compete. You simply don't make it to that level without paying for it.
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Damn that is a easy 7 grand cycle if not more just running pharma grade oxandrolone and pharma grade HGH would of costed thousands of dollars unless the oxandrolone was fake Upsher smith. I think the watson oxandrolone is a safer buy. Not many people are able to get prescribed oxandrolone,not many doctors even know what the fuck it is. This competitor could of thrown in some Tbol wich might have gotten similar results. I prefer Anavar a little more then Tbol but wouldn;t want to pay that much for it. I called walgreens and they want close to 800$ for just 60x 10mg Watson oxandrolone tabs wich they have to special order. not commonly prescribed.
Did this competitor win any cash prize? With that cycle and food plus tanning and all the other shit that comes along with competing whoever this is spent a grip of cash enough to buy a nice car. This competitor didn;t throw in a small amount of valium or xanax,maybe some oxycodone to stay sane?
martin kjellström was sponsored by a ug lab AND sold their stuff thats how he got afford doing megadoses. Dont kn ow what that has to do with your respond when you are talking about pharmgrade lol
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Complete bullshit. Shelby isn't even that big (comparatively speaking). If he used the stack you mentioned, he would probably be 30+ more lbs on stage. He even wrote a fucking book called "The Healthy Bodybuilder," which is a great read by the way.
lol
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It's a scale more than either or. Some weigh heavier on the side of drugs than others. But make no mistake about it... they ALL are willing to give up a few heart beats to compete. You simply don't make it to that level without paying for it.
Why are you commenting on a thread about AAS ???
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This isn't even one of the bigger cycles BFG has posted. It's not even scary in the least.
300mg winny a day would suck, though. Even for a week.
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^^x2
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This isn't even one of the bigger cycles BFG has posted. It's not even scary in the least.
300mg winny a day would suck, though. Even for a week.
Exactly what's so scary about a gram of test and a few grams of anabolic.
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looking like a freak thats whats scary :P
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Complete bullshit. Shelby isn't even that big (comparatively speaking). If he used the stack you mentioned, he would probably be 30+ more lbs on stage. He even wrote a fucking book called "The Healthy Bodybuilder," which is a great read by the way.
dude. its not the stacks pre contest that gives you the size. the stacks precontest more give you a look and illusion of size.
theres no way a seasoned user/ competitor is going to put on 30lbs of lean tissue during his prep unless his name is kevin levrone and even then hes only blowing back up to tissue that he had already created in the 20+ years of juicing and training he did.
its what you do for the other 36 weeks of the year that create what you stand on stage with, or else you dont get on stage bigger prep to prep. its that simple.
so your comparable is grossly inapplicable.
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Why are you commenting on a thread about AAS ???
Am i wrong tho? ;)
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Am i wrong tho? ;)
go away, boy
men are discussing things you 'know' nothing about.
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dude. its not the stacks pre contest that gives you the size. the stacks precontest more give you a look and illusion of size.
theres no way a seasoned user/ competitor is going to put on 30lbs of lean tissue during his prep unless his name is kevin levrone and even then hes only blowing back up to tissue that he had already created in the 20+ years of juicing and training he did.
its what you do for the other 36 weeks of the year that create what you stand on stage with, or else you dont get on stage bigger prep to prep. its that simple.
so your comparable is grossly inapplicable.
You've admitted that you have no experience training even a mid level amateur..so how would you know?
Just stay out of this thread.
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go away, boy
men are discussing things you 'know' nothing about.
Says the guy who needs decades of roids to look good by the pool and writes books about bbing but has never been paid to consult a bodybuilder on any meaningful level.
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Says the guy who needs decades of roids to look good by the pool and writes books about bbing but has never been paid to consult a bodybuilder on any meaningful level.
and you are...?
exactly.
a 150lb fat pansy. when we want advise on being bisexual, a loser who cant find a gf or generally a tool someone will contact you.
until then pipe down, fairy.
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You've admitted that you have no experience training even a mid level amateur..so how would you know?
Just stay out of this thread.
he did say he 'trains people' for free.
you get what you pay for...
you know? like when you get free training advice from people like Vince basile? there's a reason it's free
or investment advice from anabolichalo?
or medical advice from the guy who lives down the street from you who "dropped out" of medical school 15yrs ago? there's a reason he dropped out...
free legal advice from the guy who watches CSI.
... you get what you pay for.
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he did say he 'trains people' for free.
you get what you pay for...
you know? like when you get free training advice from people like Vince basile? there's a reason it's free
or investment advice from anabolichalo?
or medical advice from the guy who lives down the street from you who "dropped out" of medical school 15yrs ago? there's a reason he dropped out...
free legal advice from the guy who watches CSI.
... you get what you pay for.
or a liar and delusional wanna be like ESF.
eidt: your the only other guy here as much of a loser and wanna be as wolfox. thats saying quite something, cagefighter. ::)
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he did say he 'trains people' for free.
you get what you pay for...
you know? like when you get free training advice from people like Vince basile? there's a reason it's free
or investment advice from anabolichalo?
or medical advice from the guy who lives down the street from you who "dropped out" of medical school 15yrs ago? there's a reason he dropped out...
free legal advice from the guy who watches CSI.
... you get what you pay for.
Nope, some people dont mind giving the benefit of their experience to others for nothing.
It makes them feel good that they helped someone, its reward enough.
What sort of a person says "pay me" when they get asked for advice?
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and you are...?
exactly.
a 150lb fat pansy. when we want advise on being bisexual, a loser who cant find a gf or generally a tool someone will contact you.
until then pipe down, fairy.
too easy. youre a self-confessed no one in the bbing world but here you pretend to be something special and write books like youre actually more than a pool boy. Youre the type of guru who debates with imaginary 150lb skinny fat teenagers like the irrelevant no one and total loser you are.
too easy. Hope this helps. Im in it to past time and for laughs..youre here to make your little mark on your sad 50year old lonely pathetic existence
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too easy. youre a self-confessed no one in the bbing world but here you pretend to be something special and write books like youre actually more than a pool boy. Youre the type of guru who debates with imaginary 150lb skinny fat teenagers like the irrelevant no one and total loser you are.
too easy. Hope this helps. Im in it to past time and for laughs..youre here to make your little mark on your sad 50year old lonely pathetic existence
Agreed, guy looks like shit, what does he know...hang on.....
(http://s24.postimg.org/4cmvyc8yd/was.jpg)
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or a liar and delusional wanna be like ESF.
eidt: your the only other guy here as much of a loser and wanna be as wolfox. thats saying quite something, cagefighter. ::)
hmm... my bills are paid doing what you claim to do "for free", so... you think you're a 'trainer' or a 'coach'? lol... who's the wannabe? you're just 'playing' trainer/coach, I actually do it, and have done it for years. nice try. shouldn't you be writing another 'ebook' that is free as well? lol...
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Agreed, guy looks like shit, what does he know...hang on.....
(http://s24.postimg.org/4cmvyc8yd/was.jpg)
looks good. But decades of roids and he couldn't even compete with mid level amateurs in bodybuilding.
That and he has no legs and a wide waist and even wider hips.
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too easy. youre a self-confessed no one the bbing world but here you pretend to be something special and write books like youre actually more than a pool boy. But here you debate with imaginary 150lb skinny fat teenagers like the irrelevant no one and total loser you are.
too easy. Hope this helps. Im in it to past time and for laughs..youre here to make your little mark on your sad 50year old lonely pathetic existence
hahahahaha slow down, pencil.
a few things.
its not debating, im mocking and ridiculing you. can you not see that? everyone else can. dont flatter yourself into thinking anyone here cares enough about you or your 'opinion' to 'debate' you.
as far as the laughs, yes you do supply them at your own expense. keep up the good work.
the pool boy line should read 'the 40 year old stud who looks godlike compared to me and who i wish i could life one year of his life as'.
actually you couldnt handle a year of my life. you'd kill yourself for sure when you went back to being 'you'.
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hmm... my bills are paid doing what you claim to do "for free", so... you think you're a 'trainer' or a 'coach'? lol... who's the wannabe? you're just 'playing' trainer/coach, I actually do it, and have done it for years. nice try. shouldn't you be writing another 'ebook' that is free as well? lol...
lol i dont care what you do.
im just here to point out guys who are full of shit. feel free to continue to regale us with your fanciful storied imagination.
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actually you couldnt handle a year of my life.
Youre absolutely right about that. Who would want to be a nearing 50 year old no one with no wife, no kids, no future. You've admitted to living in squalor like a bush pig. Youre a sad pathetic no one. Honestly, i feel sorry for you.
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Youre absolutely right about that. Who would want to be a nearing 50 year old no one with no wife, no kids, no future. You've admitted to living in squalor like a bush pig. Youre a sad pathetic no one. Honestly, i feel sorry for you.
thank you.
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thank you.
No problem. Youre too easy btw ;)
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Let this be a lesson to all future contestants, i NEVER start shit but I will always finish it.
Putting no ones in their proper place is my favorite getbig hobby. ;)
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Let this be a lesson to all future contestants, i NEVER start shit but I will always finish it.
Putting no ones in their proper place is my favorite internet hobby. ;)
When you start congratulating yourself its all over.
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the guy looks like he's on set for 300 how exactly have you put him in his place?
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When you start congratulating yourself its all over.
It was over before no one even started it.
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the guy looks like he's on set for 300 how exactly have you put him in his place?
I think he called him a poofter.
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When you start congratulating yourself its all over.
yes, hes quite proud of the fact he contributes nothing to the board apart from ruining good threads with his bullshit.
being the catalyst for this meltdown must have hurt him more than i anticipated.
no wonder hes so hurt. i have a buddy who has a crazy ex gf who behaves much like him. weird. mental issues at play here for sure.
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the guy looks like he's on set for 300 how exactly have you put him in his place?
decades of roids and all he got was a scene as a background extra? That's some accomplishment in life. Brutal reality check unintentionally delivered by The Ro.
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yes, hes quite proud of the fact he contributes nothing to the board apart from ruining good threads with his bullshit.
being the catalyst for this meltdown must have hurt him more than i anticipated.
no wonder hes so hurt. i have a buddy who has a crazy ex gf who behaves much like him. weird. mental issues at play here for sure.
ah yes, you attack me, i then put you in your place, and then you turn victim and it is I who you claim ruin threads.
Youre too easy no one.
btw- that post you screencap was a forgery that some mod edited...Ron can attest to that. Keep trying tho. Lol
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ah yes, you attack me, i then put you in your place, and then you turn victim and it is I who you claim ruin threads.
Youre too easy no one.
btw- that post you screencap was a forgery that some mod edited...Ron can attest to that.
If you don't have an issue with gay people (like you told me privately) then whats the problem with the post?
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If you don't have an issue with gay people (like you told me privately) then whats the problem with the post?
The problem is i didn't make that post. A mod completely fabricated something i never said.
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the guy looks like he's on set for 300 how exactly have you put him in his place?
I also don't understand the whole arbitrarily claiming victory stuff. Makes no sense.
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Agreed, guy looks like shit, what does he know...hang on.....
(http://s24.postimg.org/4cmvyc8yd/was.jpg)
that's a great beach physique and pussy pulling build.
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Sorry to break it to you wolfsdowncocks,but no one has a great physique.
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Sorry to break it to you wolfsdowncocks,but no one has a great physique.
not to mention look at the jaw line.
Lol.
Wolfox would cower down in real life. Absolutely true.
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Agreed, guy looks like shit, what does he know...hang on.....
(http://s24.postimg.org/4cmvyc8yd/was.jpg)
Jesus Christ that should be renamed musclematurity.jpg
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and you are...?
exactly.
a 150lb fat pansy. when we want advise on being bisexual, a loser who cant find a gf or generally a tool someone will contact you.
until then pipe down, fairy.
Shizzo.
Why the fuck are people seriously responding to a Shizzo gimmick?
The person on the other end of the keyboard is a fat, pasty, rat faced alcholic with a barely double digit IQ and a life sapping menial job in fucking WALLMART.
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Look great no one.
And what does training a mid level competitor have to do with the stack of a pro doing the Europa?
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Agreed, guy looks like shit, what does he know...hang on.....
(http://s24.postimg.org/4cmvyc8yd/was.jpg)
Do some people on this site think that physique is nothing special?? ???
Crazy! That's a top physique in any gym plus over 6 ft tall
Guess only Ronnie Coleman type physiques are only impressive
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Am i wrong tho? ;)
You just single handedly ruined a terrific thread. Fuck now I get why people get sick of this place and post on private boards. ::)
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You just single handedly ruined a terrific thread. Fuck now I get why people get sick of this place and post on private boards. ::)
Don't start crying little cock flicker.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion here. I simply voiced mine on the matter. Now If people can't handle that I have one too and choose to attack me, then I defend myself and put them in their proper place, then thats just too bad. No One melts because he's nearing 50 with no wife, no kids, no future and lives like a bush pig. If doesn't want to hear the truth of his sad life then he shouldn't attempt to attack me. Leave the attacks for other threads.
The people who ruined this thread were No One and you little cock flicker for initiating conflict.
You all will learn the lesson I give you sooner or later.
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Don't start crying little cock flicker.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion here. I simply voiced mine on the matter. Now If people can't handle that I have one too and choose to attack me, then I defend myself and put them in their proper place, then thats just too bad. No One melts because he's nearing 50 with no wife, no kids, no future and lives like a bush pig. If doesn't want to hear the truth of his sad life then he shouldn't attempt to attack me. Leave the attacks for other threads.
The people who ruined this thread were No One and you little cock flicker for initiating conflict.
You all will learn the lesson I give you sooner or later.
You just ruined this thread with your childish games and insecurity. The whole board agrees.
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You just ruined this thread with your childish games and insecurity. The whole board agrees.
No, i just put No One back in his proper place. What does he know about an IFBB pros drug stack? No One admits to not even being in that scene. Not anywhere near that world. He's never trained or advised anyone. He admits this. Hell, he admits that he takes steroids to look good by the pool. I'm paraphrasing what the man himself said. He's open about this.
If a glorified gym rat can have an opinion on a Pro then so can I.
Everyone here is entitled to an opinion.
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Little Cock flicker is mad at me because dndque made fun of his quackery and I laughed a little. Stop being a little bitch.
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No, i just put No One back in his proper place. What does he know about an IFBB pros drug stack? No One admits to not even being in that scene. Not anywhere near that world. He's never trained or advised anyone. He admits this. Hell, he admits that he takes steroids to look good by the pool. I'm paraphrasing what the man himself said. He's open about this.
If a glorified gym rat can have an opinion on a Pro then so can I.
Everyone here is entitled to an opinion.
www.meltdown.org/wolfie
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Agreed, guy looks like shit, what does he know...hang on.....
(http://s24.postimg.org/4cmvyc8yd/was.jpg)
This dude looks insane. This is no one? Jesus, guy, unreal. How old?
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You all will learn the lesson I give you sooner or later.
(http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/mooneyblue/1177951/418506/original.gif)
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I don't get Wolf's purpose here. Well, anywhere, I guess. Always attacking, but why?
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I don't get Wolf's purpose here. Well, anywhere, I guess. Always attacking, but why?
To be fair, I am simple defending myself. Problem is altho I am a cunning like a fox am I also as vicious like a wolf, hence the moniker.
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Yes, because the more drugs you take the bigger you get, no matter what, regardless of genetics ::)
PM me and ill give you a stack to turn you into Ronnie Coleman
Good to know you believe whatever a pro bodybuilder writes. I heard Cutler got huge on Muscletech supplements.
Lmao ;D
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I don't get Wolf's purpose here. Well, anywhere, I guess. Always attacking, but why?
Angry, angry, little man.
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Lol is that fat black guy really wolfox!!!? Dude just kill yourself there's no point in trying to save that mess of genetics.
No one looks epic. Sick picture. Esfitness has saved that pic and upped the dose accordingly to 10grams to try and achieve 60% of that physique. How can he even continue to post when his pictures were revealed?
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esf fitness cruises on that bro
lol!
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You just ruined this thread with your childish games and insecurity. The whole board agrees.
this is true of every thread he posts in
he has to call his own ownings cause everyone else is laughing at him
biggest fail on get big ever
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martin kjellström was sponsored by a ug lab AND sold their stuff thats how he got afford doing megadoses. Dont kn ow what that has to do with your respond when you are talking about pharmgrade lol
Ok I can see giving out some free UGL gear but no source is giving out free serostim kits and Pharma grade oxandrolone. Like I said just the cost of the Pharma grade serostim and oxandrolone would run close to 7 grand for this stack not counting the free UGL gear. I understand the need for pharma grade HGH and oxandrolone but very spendy unless you are a top 5 Mr.O or a Top 3 Arnold competitor.
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You really think any bodybuilders do what they do for money? LOL.
It's not a career, it's an exercise in narcissism.
damn right
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Youre absolutely right about that. Who would want to be a nearing 50 year old no one with no wife, no kids, no future. You've admitted to living in squalor like a bush pig. Youre a sad pathetic no one. Honestly, i feel sorry for you.
I don"t want a wife or kids what's wrong with that? It's his life. kids are not for some people! and women can be great to have around at times but marriage is a HUGE commitment.Not alot of bodybuilders get married. their choice
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I fail to see the controversy regarding this BFG fella, and the flack he's getting.
The cycles he's listed are par for the course for the new big NPC guys I know.
He's not selling or promoting anything that I'm aware of.
He's not trying to trick or scam people or even here to "get props."
What's so unbelievable about this ???
He isn't selling anything, that's just an easy argument for people who don't know shit.
What he is doing is trolling/lying by claiming EVERYONE does this stack or similar, no exceptions. There is no fucking chance in hell a guy like Evan Centopani does all this shit, for instance. Everyone uses different amounts, and I can confidently say a small amount of pros use the kind of stack BFG is outlining.
Personally, I think it's pretty funny how so many people are so convinced all these pros don't care about health or if they die, as long as they place higher in contests.
just happens to be the owner of the largest open source forum in the world
but he isnt selling anything here, just educating the masses with no agenda at all ;D
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You just ruined this thread with your childish games and insecurity. The whole board agrees.
I have to agree this thread got all fucked up!. jesus christ! I agree on posting on private boards but getbig is home. he is entitled to a opinion but for fucks sake this got out of hand. he gives a shit who gives out free advice. I know a top guru who is pretty well named now who helped guys out for free for years. he didn"t dig into his pockets but he did help serious guys who could go pro prep. Now he gets paid but is still very helpful to serious athletes. I don;t think Gurus get paid that much. It's like a managers fee maybe 10% of cash winnings only if they place with a cash prize. Some have flat rates. There are alot of guys who are capable of prepping top amateurs and they do it for nothing. They have other avenues of income like a 9-5 job.
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Ah ok, K only tried that once, basically just felt like a tranquilized cat, E plenty times but then all I will want to do is find the nearest rave and skip my meals lol
No shit. me too. I love ecstasy but it keeps you up too long and I would go to a wharehouse party on fridays and by monday still not feel 100% and like training.
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I never believe most of the shit you post............because it`s not true.
You sound like a White Widow gimmick.
I have no gimmick account. When have I ever posted a pro caliber cycle? why would I need a gimmick account? I always say whatever I want.
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just happens to be the owner of the largest open source forum in the world
but he isnt selling anything here, just educating the masses with no agenda at all ;D
I would say BFG is doing well financially
Eriods??
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I would say BFG is doing well financially
Eriods??
How do you know for sure?
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Ok I can see giving out some free UGL gear but no source is giving out free serostim kits and Pharma grade oxandrolone. Like I said just the cost of the Pharma grade serostim and oxandrolone would run close to 7 grand for this stack not counting the free UGL gear. I understand the need for pharma grade HGH and oxandrolone but very spendy unless you are a top 5 Mr.O or a Top 3 Arnold competitor.
yeah l knowit was just a side not that didnt have anything to do with the threas =)
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Youre absolutely right about that. Who would want to be a nearing 50 year old no one with no wife, no kids, no future. You've admitted to living in squalor like a bush pig. Youre a sad pathetic no one. Honestly, i feel sorry for you.
he if had kids lived ina suburb and a wife then he would be on the losing end cause thats not how he wants to live, the guy is living his life the way that makes him happy and for that he is a loser?
Dont answer and shut the fuck up now and stop destrying threads
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About prices...
Upsher smith oxandralone comes 3 bottles 60 count 10mg per rx. Its prescribed for aids wasting. People with an rx for it sell it for like $300-500/3 bottles if you're in "the scene".
Same with tested and androxy...drug addicts get prescribed these for wasting and endocrinological issues.
Most guys have the same doctor/doctors who know they just resell their stuff for meth but the docs get kickbacks for writing the drugs so everyone wins.
Biggest cost here is the humatrope...which is why it's being run 6iu/day. humatrope isn't prescribed for wasting, so it's method of black market diversion is a lot costlier than seros.
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Do you feel that the different brands of pharma gh lead to different effects? In other words, is humatrope better for bodybuilding than serostim, etc?
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All the same as long as it's us pharm grade gh. Only difference is the fillers.
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just happens to be the owner of the largest open source forum in the world
but he isnt selling anything here, just educating the masses with no agenda at all ;D
So am I promoting an agenda by recounting what my 2 friends took for their prep when they hired Farrah, Shelby, and Fakhri? They were the same give or take with BFG's. Nothing groundbreaking here.
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So am I promoting an agenda by recounting what my 2 friends took for their prep when they hired Farrah, Shelby, and Fakhri? They were the same give or take with BFG's. Nothing groundbreaking here.
clearly agenda.
stop trying to promote your badness brah#
Jk, PM me with a pricelist ;D
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clearly agenda.
stop trying to promote your badness brah#
Jk, PM me with a pricelist ;D
Tren is on sale, we overdosed this batch.
Oops, meant to send that in a PM.
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Tren ace 34 dolla sale geneza product of the week ;D
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About prices...
Upsher smith oxandralone comes 3 bottles 60 count 10mg per rx. Its prescribed for aids wasting. People with an rx for it sell it for like $300-500/3 bottles if you're in "the scene".
Same with tested and androxy...drug addicts get prescribed these for wasting and endocrinological issues.
Most guys have the same doctor/doctors who know they just resell their stuff for meth but the docs get kickbacks for writing the drugs so everyone wins.
Biggest cost here is the humatrope...which is why it's being run 6iu/day. humatrope isn't prescribed for wasting, so it's method of black market diversion is a lot costlier than seros.
You would have to really be in with a certain group of drug addict aids patients! and I bet all the bodybuilders fight for who will get who's prescription. I don;t see how a insurance would pay for those expensive drugs. So your saying they get prescribed 180x 10mg oxandrolone tabs that would cost a fortune even with insurance. Guys with HIV have state run insurance that are not that great. Who told you they were that great? in my state they wouldn"t cover oxandrolone.I did a price check a few months ago at walgreens and for the watson oxandrolone they wanted close to 800$ for just 60x 10mg tabs. they didn"t even regularly stock them something they would have to order for a customer.
I'm not saying it is not true but very unlikely in most states. You don;t get special insurance if you have HIV in my state,you get state insurance unless you have a job with good insurance. It seems like a HIV drug addict would not know what the fuck HGH or oxandrolone was unless a bodybuilder sent them into the doctor and told them to ask for it that might work. Most HIv patients have no idea about AAS and HGH unless some bodybuilder guides them and offers them cash. Hell if their drug addicts I bet they would sell the pills and Test for cheaper if they were desperate. Most HIV patients are unemployed and living on dissability and get cheap state insurance I just don't see them paying for thousands of dollars worth of drugs. Hell guys who are vets and go to the VA get awful treatment as well. They get prescribed the cheapest shit possible.
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Whilst we are discussing gains per Mg and more being better, anyone remember this guy
(http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg540/mrflat12/20130623_153628.jpg)
What does he take?
1400 tren ace
1400 eq
700 mast
150 drol ed
30dbol pre workout on workout days only
5iu hgh pre bed
slin between 30 and 80 iu a day depending on carb intake for the day
still doing clen at around 120mcg a day on my cardio only days 3 days a week w lower carbs days
30mg nolva ed
1mg adex eod
20mg roaccutane ed
so after next week my protocol will look like
deca 1000mg per week
tren ace 700 per week
eq 1400 per week
drol 150 ed
dbol 30mg pre workout on workout days
mast 350 per week
5iu hgh ed pre bed
40iu lantus every night pre bed
on training days humalog taken with all carb meals to cover days carbs
on off days from training no humalog and instead i will have 250mg metformin with each carb meal, lantus still in system
nolvadex 30mg pre bed
aromasin 25mg eod
clen on cardio only days 120mcg per day
still shooting synthol in my tris 3-4 times per week and shooting my biceps on occasion try to hit rear delts with synthol twice per week
Yep, more is definitely better.
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Agreed, guy looks like shit, what does he know...hang on.....
(http://s24.postimg.org/4cmvyc8yd/was.jpg)
Amazing! End of story!
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Whilst we are discussing gains per Mg and more being better, anyone remember this guy
(http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg540/mrflat12/20130623_153628.jpg)
What does he take?
1400 tren ace
1400 eq
700 mast
150 drol ed
30dbol pre workout on workout days only
5iu hgh pre bed
slin between 30 and 80 iu a day depending on carb intake for the day
still doing clen at around 120mcg a day on my cardio only days 3 days a week w lower carbs days
30mg nolva ed
1mg adex eod
20mg roaccutane ed
so after next week my protocol will look like
deca 1000mg per week
tren ace 700 per week
eq 1400 per week
drol 150 ed
dbol 30mg pre workout on workout days
mast 350 per week
5iu hgh ed pre bed
40iu lantus every night pre bed
on training days humalog taken with all carb meals to cover days carbs
on off days from training no humalog and instead i will have 250mg metformin with each carb meal, lantus still in system
nolvadex 30mg pre bed
aromasin 25mg eod
clen on cardio only days 120mcg per day
still shooting synthol in my tris 3-4 times per week and shooting my biceps on occasion try to hit rear delts with synthol twice per week
Yep, more is definitely better.
THIS GUY,IS TRYING TO LOOK LIKE THE GUY RIGHT ABOVE HERE 'NO ONE'ON RIDICULOUS AMOUNTS TO NOT LOOK LIKE 'NO ONE'..
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Whilst we are discussing gains per Mg and more being better, anyone remember this guy
(http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg540/mrflat12/20130623_153628.jpg)
What does he take?
1400 tren ace
1400 eq
700 mast
150 drol ed
30dbol pre workout on workout days only
5iu hgh pre bed
slin between 30 and 80 iu a day depending on carb intake for the day
still doing clen at around 120mcg a day on my cardio only days 3 days a week w lower carbs days
30mg nolva ed
1mg adex eod
20mg roaccutane ed
so after next week my protocol will look like
deca 1000mg per week
tren ace 700 per week
eq 1400 per week
drol 150 ed
dbol 30mg pre workout on workout days
mast 350 per week
5iu hgh ed pre bed
40iu lantus every night pre bed
on training days humalog taken with all carb meals to cover days carbs
on off days from training no humalog and instead i will have 250mg metformin with each carb meal, lantus still in system
nolvadex 30mg pre bed
aromasin 25mg eod
clen on cardio only days 120mcg per day
still shooting synthol in my tris 3-4 times per week and shooting my biceps on occasion try to hit rear delts with synthol twice per week
Yep, more is definitely better.
how long have he bren on those doses and looked like that? Goe did he looked before? Mayne 5months earlier he was a tiny tit
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birthday chest workout yesterday :)
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birthday chest workout yesterday :)
DAMN DUDE ,FU KING THICK AS A BRICK..SWOLE
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Whilst we are discussing gains per Mg and more being better, anyone remember this guy
(http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg540/mrflat12/20130623_153628.jpg)
What does he take?
1400 tren ace
1400 eq
700 mast
150 drol ed
30dbol pre workout on workout days only
5iu hgh pre bed
slin between 30 and 80 iu a day depending on carb intake for the day
still doing clen at around 120mcg a day on my cardio only days 3 days a week w lower carbs days
30mg nolva ed
1mg adex eod
20mg roaccutane ed
so after next week my protocol will look like
deca 1000mg per week
tren ace 700 per week
eq 1400 per week
drol 150 ed
dbol 30mg pre workout on workout days
mast 350 per week
5iu hgh ed pre bed
40iu lantus every night pre bed
on training days humalog taken with all carb meals to cover days carbs
on off days from training no humalog and instead i will have 250mg metformin with each carb meal, lantus still in system
nolvadex 30mg pre bed
aromasin 25mg eod
clen on cardio only days 120mcg per day
still shooting synthol in my tris 3-4 times per week and shooting my biceps on occasion try to hit rear delts with synthol twice per week
Yep, more is definitely better.
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birthday chest workout yesterday :)
Looking swole Ro !!
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BFG or someone with some guru knowledge please explain the purpose of insulin precontest. Thanks
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birthday chest workout yesterday :)
beast mode 20" arms
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You would have to really be in with a certain group of drug addict aids patients! and I bet all the bodybuilders fight for who will get who's prescription. I don;t see how a insurance would pay for those expensive drugs. So your saying they get prescribed 180x 10mg oxandrolone tabs that would cost a fortune even with insurance. Guys with HIV have state run insurance that are not that great. Who told you they were that great? in my state they wouldn"t cover oxandrolone.I did a price check a few months ago at walgreens and for the watson oxandrolone they wanted close to 800$ for just 60x 10mg tabs. they didn"t even regularly stock them something they would have to order for a customer.
I'm not saying it is not true but very unlikely in most states. You don;t get special insurance if you have HIV in my state,you get state insurance unless you have a job with good insurance. It seems like a HIV drug addict would not know what the fuck HGH or oxandrolone was unless a bodybuilder sent them into the doctor and told them to ask for it that might work. Most HIv patients have no idea about AAS and HGH unless some bodybuilder guides them and offers them cash. Hell if their drug addicts I bet they would sell the pills and Test for cheaper if they were desperate. Most HIV patients are unemployed and living on dissability and get cheap state insurance I just don't see them paying for thousands of dollars worth of drugs. Hell guys who are vets and go to the VA get awful treatment as well. They get prescribed the cheapest shit possible.
the standard oxandralone prescription for wasting is 3 60ct 10mg bottles every 3 months, which can be refilled every 2.5 months.
You are right, it costs insurance a shitload and so not everyone can with AIDS wasting has access to these rx's as it does depend on your insurance carrier. Theres a fair amount of guys with HIV who have good insurance coverage through a job or simply just a good carrier they have. These are the more functional addicts.
This is the benefit of having a "guru" or "coach" in the bodybuilding scene. They can have access to the guys with such rx's and will sell you these often hard to obtain pharm grade drugs. Thats what makes them gurus.
I notice you fixated more on the oxandralone than anything else. Did you notice the Androxy? Do you know how expensive and difficult to obtain that is?
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he if had kids lived ina suburb and a wife then he would be on the losing end cause thats not how he wants to live, the guy is living his life the way that makes him happy and for that he is a loser?
Dont answer and shut the fuck up now and stop destrying threads
Shutup and stop responding if you don't like me putting people in their place.
Keep your mouth shut.
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About prices...
Upsher smith oxandralone comes 3 bottles 60 count 10mg per rx. Its prescribed for aids wasting. People with an rx for it sell it for like $300-500/3 bottles if you're in "the scene".
Same with tested and androxy...drug addicts get prescribed these for wasting and endocrinological issues.
Most guys have the same doctor/doctors who know they just resell their stuff for meth but the docs get kickbacks for writing the drugs so everyone wins.
Biggest cost here is the humatrope...which is why it's being run 6iu/day. humatrope isn't prescribed for wasting, so it's method of black market diversion is a lot costlier than seros.
Thanks brother for contributing to getbig.
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Thanks for contributing BFG, sorry about the moron above me. :-\
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Whilst we are discussing gains per Mg and more being better, anyone remember this guy
(http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg540/mrflat12/20130623_153628.jpg)
What does he take?
1400 tren ace
1400 eq
700 mast
150 drol ed
30dbol pre workout on workout days only
5iu hgh pre bed
slin between 30 and 80 iu a day depending on carb intake for the day
still doing clen at around 120mcg a day on my cardio only days 3 days a week w lower carbs days
30mg nolva ed
1mg adex eod
20mg roaccutane ed
so after next week my protocol will look like
deca 1000mg per week
tren ace 700 per week
eq 1400 per week
drol 150 ed
dbol 30mg pre workout on workout days
mast 350 per week
5iu hgh ed pre bed
40iu lantus every night pre bed
on training days humalog taken with all carb meals to cover days carbs
on off days from training no humalog and instead i will have 250mg metformin with each carb meal, lantus still in system
nolvadex 30mg pre bed
aromasin 25mg eod
clen on cardio only days 120mcg per day
still shooting synthol in my tris 3-4 times per week and shooting my biceps on occasion try to hit rear delts with synthol twice per week
Yep, more is definitely better.
Haha who is that guy? He looks vaguely familiar.
Based off the dosages, I'd figure he's a gh15 poster, no?
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Haha who is that guy? He looks vaguely familiar.
Based off the dosages, I'd figure he's a gh15 poster, no?
Pretty sure that's where I first saw this.
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Whilst we are discussing gains per Mg and more being better, anyone remember this guy
(http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg540/mrflat12/20130623_153628.jpg)
What does he take?
1400 tren ace
1400 eq
700 mast
150 drol ed
30dbol pre workout on workout days only
5iu hgh pre bed
slin between 30 and 80 iu a day depending on carb intake for the day
still doing clen at around 120mcg a day on my cardio only days 3 days a week w lower carbs days
30mg nolva ed
1mg adex eod
20mg roaccutane ed
so after next week my protocol will look like
deca 1000mg per week
tren ace 700 per week
eq 1400 per week
drol 150 ed
dbol 30mg pre workout on workout days
mast 350 per week
5iu hgh ed pre bed
40iu lantus every night pre bed
on training days humalog taken with all carb meals to cover days carbs
on off days from training no humalog and instead i will have 250mg metformin with each carb meal, lantus still in system
nolvadex 30mg pre bed
aromasin 25mg eod
clen on cardio only days 120mcg per day
still shooting synthol in my tris 3-4 times per week and shooting my biceps on occasion try to hit rear delts with synthol twice per week
Yep, more is definitely better.
I just saw this. You mean to tell me this clown is on all of that an looks like that? Holy shit, what a waste of money. Is this an example of heavy drug use with no weight training....of any kind? Sorry, that's fucking pathetic.
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Pretty sure that's where I first saw this.
Jesus Christ have mercy....4.5g of juice, gh, a lot of slin, fatburners, AND synthol. He could skip the drugs and just shoot synthol in his delts to get the same effect.
Damn, every now and then I'll wish I had better genetics. And then I see something like that and feel like Flex Wheeler. Simply unbelievable
The worst part is that he probably got nothing but positive feedback from those sycophants
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Jesus Christ have mercy....4.5g of juice, gh, a lot of slin, fatburners, AND synthol. He could skip the drugs and just shoot synthol in his delts to get the same effect.
Damn, every now and then I'll wish I had better genetics. And then I see something like that and feel like Flex Wheeler. Simply unbelievable
The worst part is that he probably got nothing but positive feedback from those sycophants
Some of the oddest looking "musculature" I've ever seen on a human.
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Whilst we are discussing gains per Mg and more being better, anyone remember this guy
(http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg540/mrflat12/20130623_153628.jpg)
What does he take?
1400 tren ace
1400 eq
700 mast
150 drol ed
30dbol pre workout on workout days only
5iu hgh pre bed
slin between 30 and 80 iu a day depending on carb intake for the day
still doing clen at around 120mcg a day on my cardio only days 3 days a week w lower carbs days
30mg nolva ed
1mg adex eod
20mg roaccutane ed
so after next week my protocol will look like
deca 1000mg per week
tren ace 700 per week
eq 1400 per week
drol 150 ed
dbol 30mg pre workout on workout days
mast 350 per week
5iu hgh ed pre bed
40iu lantus every night pre bed
on training days humalog taken with all carb meals to cover days carbs
on off days from training no humalog and instead i will have 250mg metformin with each carb meal, lantus still in system
nolvadex 30mg pre bed
aromasin 25mg eod
clen on cardio only days 120mcg per day
still shooting synthol in my tris 3-4 times per week and shooting my biceps on occasion try to hit rear delts with synthol twice per week
Yep, more is definitely better.
how long has this guy been juicing?
Assuming all other things are equal, I'd expect a 250-1gram guy whos been juicing for a decade to look better than a 4 grams guy whos been using for 2 years.
Agree or disagree?
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how long has this guy been juicing?
Assuming all other things are equal, I'd expect a 250-1gram guy whos been juicing for a decade to look better than a 4 grams guy whos been using for 2 years.
You can tell by the forearms not long
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Who wins in genetics? Him or billy gunz or Vince goodcum??
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Pretty sure that's where I first saw this.
Yep, i took it of GH15s board, before I got banned for advising someone to cut his dose.
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I just saw this. You mean to tell me this clown is on all of that an looks like that? Holy shit, what a waste of money. Is this an example of heavy drug use with no weight training....of any kind? Sorry, that's fucking pathetic.
as long as no one of us know how long he been on a cykle like that and how he looked before that quite a stupid statement. Maybe he was on his 3rd week none of us knows
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as long as no one of us know how long he been on a cykle like that and how he looked before that quite a stupid statement. Maybe he was on his 3rd week none of us knows
Bearing in mind hes "still shooting synthol 3 to 4 times a week" I have a feeling its not his first course.
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Yep, i took it of GH15s board, before I got banned for advising someone to cut his dose.
You got banned for that? Oh, it was his dealer that banned you?!
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Bearing in mind hes "still shooting synthol 3 to 4 times a week" I have a feeling its not his first course.
your probably right. His muscles do look odd as hell
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your probably right. His muscles do look odd as hell
Look at his forarms. That gives it all away! major synthol user. Those shoulders are loaded with sterile oil. def very odd looking . The flow of somebodys forarms are where you should look.
Look at Phil Heath,Phil has massive forarms wich give his arms that great flow even if phil does have some synthol in his shoulders nobody can really tell because his forarms match up.
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You got banned for that? Oh, it was his dealer that banned you?!
Probably. Gh15 gets payed by all the dealers to list their shit oils so they def want to pump it into young mens heads that more is better and they post crazy cycles and say you have to follow those protocols if you want to look like a bodybuilder. I have seen better natural bodybuilders then this guy. WAY better natural bodybuilders.I just so the craziest natural bodybuilder at my gym.
african american guy I knew from back in the day,had not seen him in years. back then he didn"t really lift weights. He just started lifting a few months ago and he looks like he is about to step on stage and he has no nutrition knowledge uses no supplements,no diet knowledge at all, or even a very good training IQ,just the craziest fucking genetics! he is fucking strong too. Dude has a 29 In waist, walks around at 4-5 -BF% and has a nice christmas tree in his lower lumbar also has nice low lat development. I am trying to convince him to compete as a natural. He could step on-stage in a month and blow away alot of naturals especially locally.
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as long as no one of us know how long he been on a cykle like that and how he looked before that quite a stupid statement. Maybe he was on his 3rd week none of us knows
How can you look at his cycle and then look at his physique and say, yeah, nothing out of order here? That's a serious competitor's cycle
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How can you look at his cycle and then look at his physique and say, yeah, nothing out of order here? That's a serious competitor's cycle
because those are some serious forarms!
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How can you look at his cycle and then look at his physique and say, yeah, nothing out of order here? That's a serious competitor's cycle
yeah the cykle is crazy what i meant was that you cant rule out high dose roiding just because he looks like that we dont know if he just started with thqt cykle and used to do 500mg before or if he has shitty genetics and been on crazy heawyweight bb cykles like that for years.
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I have no idea who that person whose picture keeps being posted is. His arms and shoulders look like lumps of scar tissue? i know some guys like to repeatedly pin themselves in certain areas to build up scar tissue to create the illusion of bigger muscles (flex wheeler and ronnie coleman used to just jab at their calves indiscriminately to build up scar tissue...no clue who told them that was a good idea, because it looked BAD).
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I got a BP head ache just reading that cycle.
I can sit at around 210lbs 8% for 250 sust a week and 200mg masteron...many time I forget to jab or too busy and do it 10 days later or so. nd this is when Im ON.
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I got a BP head ache just reading that cycle.
I can sit at around 210lbs 8% for 250 sust a week and 200mg masteron...many time I forget to jab or too busy and do it 10 days later or so. nd this is when Im ON.
This
on for me is 450-500 mgs.
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yeah the cykle is crazy what i meant was that you cant rule out high dose roiding just because he looks like that we dont know if he just started with thqt cykle and used to do 500mg before or if he has shitty genetics and been on crazy heawyweight bb cykles like that for years.
If I was on a cycle like that I would be 270 in about 6 weeks. This kid barely looks 210-220 at best.
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If I was on a cycle like that I would be 270 in about 6 weeks. This kid barely looks 210-220 at best.
Not to mention that the 210-220 looks like dogshit. :(
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If I was on a cycle like that I would be 270 in about 6 weeks. This kid barely looks 210-220 at best.
that im sure you would be. Äi in your latest contest pics everyonr could see that you had lots of muscles, besides a couple of weeks off i was really impressed and i dont think you did high doses either
But my point is we dont know how long he had be on that cycle, maybe he just started it 2 weeks before or he sucks in the genetic department and have been on a long time.
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that im sure you would be. Äi in your latest contest pics everyonr could see that you had lots of muscles, besides a couple of weeks off i was really impressed and i dont think you did high doses either
But my point is we dont know how long he had be on that cycle, maybe he just started it 2 weeks before or he sucks in the genetic department and have been on a long time.
Doesn`t matter brother,he had no business using it anyway.
No foundation = Generation Nothingness :(
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Doesn`t matter brother,he had no business using it anyway.
No foundation = Generation Nothingness :(
you are right. He will blow up and be big but look line shit and burn out in a couple of years while his friends that started slowand build jp a foundation before they went little higher will still look awesome
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This
on for me is 450-500 mgs.
ya man. agreed w you guys.
the older i get the more i realise that more isnt exactly better.
being better is better- training smarter is better. dieting harder is better. eating healthier is better. more anabolics= not always better if the first 3 things i mentioned arent there.
right now im 200mg enanthate e5/6d (when ever i remember to take it tbh). ive been doing this for 4 months now. i feel great. i have no desire to go 'heavier'. ive been thinking about going w the blend i got into really good shape w last summer, but then i ask myself WHY. why do i want to run it? im the same size, all i have lost is that 'look'. is it really worth it for me mentally to run it again.
all comes down to priorities, and taking clonopin/ klonazepam to offset the tren sides doesnt make sense. when you start taking one drug to counter the effects of another you gotta ask yourself what your doing this for.
for me, i can see the 200mg testE w 5iu of gh ed (been experimenting w thats dose- 5 is way better than the 3 i have been using since dec) being my bread and butter go to for a very very long time.
i think we become psychologically addicted to dose. tskes a very strong constitution to go from bigger cycles and stay on such low dose even w summer approcahing. you thuink 'fuck i should ramp it up for summer' but for what? will it make you leaner? harder? denser? or can diet alone achieve that look for the most part?
it comes down to quietening that voice thats says 'you need this' and just trusting that the same effort applied to diet w a lower dose most likely yeild similar results- for a pool/ beach physique. competition a different cat altogether.
and it just looks 'better' imo. healthier.
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that im sure you would be. Äi in your latest contest pics everyonr could see that you had lots of muscles, besides a couple of weeks off i was really impressed and i dont think you did high doses either
But my point is we dont know how long he had be on that cycle, maybe he just started it 2 weeks before or he sucks in the genetic department and have been on a long time.
This was on less than a gram. No, I wasn't the best conditioned (and not the worst) but I was one of the biggest in the line up. In the masters class, I felt I shouldn't have placed where I placed, I should have placed in the top five ( was one point out of the top five. same with the open class) I also felt the winner of the Masters Class won on name only.
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/155_zps4634ab3c.jpg)
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This was on less than a gram. No, I wasn't the best conditioned (and not the worst) but I was one of the biggest in the line up. In the masters class, I felt I shouldn't have placed where I placed, I should have placed in the top five ( was one point out of the top five. same with the open class) I also felt the winner of the Masters Class won on name only.
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/155_zps4634ab3c.jpg)
i always like ur build 'classic pics here'the heavier version in these pics had thickpowerful look to them ,you changed your build look due to heavier training from your 80's look.it had less to do with 'drugs'you seem to love training moreso..out of the 3 here u def have thicker side chest and bigger overall and nice flow ,if you were few lbs lighter could have changed your placing big time,the other 2 guys are harder looking not neccessarily better on a genetic shape standpoint or size just deeper seperation /conditioning at least in that shot..
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and taking clonopin/ klonazepam to offset the tren sides doesnt make sense. when you start taking one drug to counter the effects of another you gotta ask yourself what your doing this for.
So many guys today do this..........dumbest shit ever.
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Probably. Gh15 gets payed by all the dealers to list their shit oils so they def want to pump it into young mens heads that more is better and they post crazy cycles and say you have to follow those protocols if you want to look like a bodybuilder. I have seen better natural bodybuilders then this guy. WAY better natural bodybuilders.I just so the craziest natural bodybuilder at my gym.
african american guy I knew from back in the day,had not seen him in years. back then he didn"t really lift weights.He just started lifting a few months ago and he looks like he is about to step on stage and he has no nutrition knowledge uses no supplements,no diet knowledge at all, or even a very good training IQ,just the craziest fucking genetics! he is fucking strong too. Dude has a 29 In waist, walks around at 4-5 -BF% and has a nice christmas tree in his lower lumbar also has nice low lat development. I am trying to convince him to compete as a natural. He could step on-stage in a month and blow away alot of naturals especially locally.
Not this shit again :-\
Everyone always know a guy who knows a guy who barely lifts and happens to be "African American" why don't u just say black ::) that has insane genetics and sits at 4-5% all natural
All Horse shit!
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Not this shit again :-\
Everyone always know a guy who knows a guy who barely lifts and happens to be "African American" why don't u just say black ::) that has insane genetics and sits at 4-5% all natural
All Horse shit!
Straight like it is..
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i always like ur build 'classic pics here'the heavier version in these pics had thickpowerful look to them ,you changed your build look due to heavier training from your 80's look.it had less to do with 'drugs'you seem to love training moreso..out of the 3 here u def have thicker side chest and bigger overall and nice flow ,if you were few lbs lighter could have changed your placing big time,the other 2 guys are harder looking not neccessarily better on a genetic shape standpoint or size just deeper seperation /conditioning at least in that shot..
I agree, but it was a bodybuilding contest not a men's fitness contest. I have always trained heavy....on everything. I also agree I should have been about 5-8lbs lighter.
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This was on less than a gram. No, I wasn't the best conditioned (and not the worst) but I was one of the biggest in the line up. In the masters class, I felt I shouldn't have placed where I placed, I should have placed in the top five ( was one point out of the top five. same with the open class) I also felt the winner of the Masters Class won on name only.
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/155_zps4634ab3c.jpg)
dont blame you i saw the pics and you should def be i the top five. You looked big and symetrical just a tad off. But you looked really good. Pretty cool that it was ypur first contest in decades (fuck you are old lol )
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Coach could have won the whole show IMO. 6 more weeks of heavy tren, GH, thyroid, clen, maybe a 2 week DNP blast, Anadrol load and he could have looked insane. Not worth it to him obviously but it would have been cool. :D
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Not this shit again :-\
Everyone always know a guy who knows a guy who barely lifts and happens to be "African American" why don't u just say black ::) that has insane genetics and sits at 4-5% all natural
All Horse shit!
I think everybody does know somebody who has crazy genetics but dosn"t know much about training or diet. I am sure he has been training on and off for years but consistent training maybe just a few months yes he is black whatever. He has a insane build for a natural. He would def get blown away by any juicer but he could def do a natural show and it would only take him maybe 4-6 weeks to get in peak condition. I bet he would win. If there was alot of money in bodybuilding I would stake this guy for 10% of his winnings. I have that much faith in the guy.
He wouldn"t even be able to name a Anabolic steroid. He dosn't know shit about supplements either, nutrition knowledge is non-existent. Just crazy ass genetics and he lifts pretty heavy for a natural. I have seen this before same deal black guy crazy ass genetics but knew jack shit about nutrition,supplements or really even how to train right. just trained same bodyparts almost every workout. But still was strong on every lift and just built muscle insanely fast. This guy I saw the other night is even better way small waistline and his lats start real low so he has insane back potential. He already had a christmas tree lower lumbar. 28 In waist. just genetic freak.
There are tons of guys who could be bodybuilders but they just are not into training as much and know shit about diet and training. there are other guys out there like Phil Heath you just have to convince these guys to get into bodybuilding alot of these great unknown talents play other sports and have no clue about pro bodybuilding or the NPC. Somewhere their is another potential Mr. Olympia who plays football or basketball just like Phil did.
It sucks because the guys who have the drive and the knowledge are usually the guys who don"t have the genetics,they train hard as fuck and diet like nutts but still will never have the potential as some of these other freaks out there.
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I think everybody does know somebody who has crazy genetics but dosn"t know much about training or diet. I am sure he has been training on and off for years but consistent training maybe just a few months yes he is black whatever. He has a insane build for a natural. He would def get blown away by any juicer but he could def do a natural show and it would only take him maybe 4-6 weeks to get in peak condition. I bet he would win. If there was alot of money in bodybuilding I would stake this guy for 10% of his winnings. I have that much faith in the guy.
He wouldn"t even be able to name a Anabolic steroid. He dosn't know shit about supplements either, nutrition knowledge is non-existent. Just crazy ass genetics and he lifts pretty heavy for a natural. I have seen this before same deal black guy crazy ass genetics but knew jack shit about nutrition,supplements or really even how to train right. just trained same bodyparts almost every workout. But still was strong on every lift and just built muscle insanely fast. This guy I saw the other night is even better way small waistline and his lats start real low so he has insane back potential. He already had a christmas tree lower lumbar. 28 In waist. just genetic freak.
There are tons of guys who could be bodybuilders but they just are not into training as much and know shit about diet and training. there are other guys out there like Phil Heath you just have to convince these guys to get into bodybuilding alot of these great unknown talents play other sports and have no clue about pro bodybuilding or the NPC. Somewhere their is another potential Mr. Olympia who plays football or basketball just like Phil did.
It sucks because the guys who have the drive and the knowledge are usually the guys who don"t have the genetics,they train hard as fuck and diet like nutts but still will never have the potential as some of these other freaks out there.
Yes I believe that and there are guys 7-8% but I have a hard time believing 4-5% which is stage conditioning just about, most guys I would say around maybe 4??
Regardless of ethicnity and how good the genetics 4-5% natural without much training or dieting is impossible , 7-8 maybe believable
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Yes I believe that and there are guys 7-8% but I have a hard time believing 4-5% which is stage conditioning just about, most guys I would say around maybe 4??
Regardless of ethicnity and how good the genetics 4-5% natural without much training or dieting is impossible , 7-8 maybe believable
I am pretty good at estimating BF%. I take my words back maybe not 4% but 5%-6% definately! Like I said he already had a christmas tree clearly visible. His skin is real tight everywhere I couldn't see any visible flaws. waist was def 29IN. He wears a 29In waist jeans so maybe 28-29IN waist. There is one guy I know who also works out there who is white and he is 5% and this black guy looks just as lean maybe a tad leaner and this other white guy is training way harder, has way better nutrition IQ, his overall bodybuilding IQ is super high, he competes in natural shows, so that is where I am getting 4-6% BF by comparing him to somebody who is 5% right now. To the white guy it's his whole life and more,to the black guy just trains for fun and to look good for women.
The black guy has way more fun when he trains, jokes around takes long rests between sets(not super long-but not HIT 15-130 second rests) the white guy looks like all business,no fun and trains super intense and maybe takes 20 second rests between sets.
Like I said I know guys who would be Pro bodybuilders if they had those genetics on the fact they have super high Bodybuilding IQ and work harder. If that white guy was the black guy he might be a top pro.
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Coach could have won the whole show IMO. 6 more weeks of heavy tren, GH, thyroid, clen, maybe a 2 week DNP blast, Anadrol load and he could have looked insane. Not worth it to him obviously but it would have been cool. :D
honest question, how different would he have been with this as opposed to the less than one gram he did? how much leaner and heavier would he have been in your expert opinion?
edit....... on getbig this could come across as me being an idiot and clashing with you. not at all. I do respect you as an expert and am truly curious how dramatic a difference 'taking it to the next/highest level' would make.
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I got a BP head ache just reading that cycle.
I can sit at around 210lbs 8% for 250 sust a week and 200mg masteron...many time I forget to jab or too busy and do it 10 days later or so. nd this is when Im ON.
me too it's either i forgot or too busy to pin so my cycle mg is always half than what i plan it to be lol
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There was an idiot on here that did 105 shots per week.....looked just OK. :(
Uncle Junior? Shots of vodka!!
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16 week contest prep cycle for a competitor in this weekends europa from his coach...thought you guys would enjoy, been very busy.
16 weeks out
1,000mg test cyp weekly
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
700mg tren hex weekly
15iu humalog AM
15iu humulin-R pre workout
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
120mcg clen
100mcg t3
40mg valeant tested pre workout
1mg anastrazole EOD
20mg tamox EOD
12 weeks out
1,000mg test cyp weekly
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
1050mg tren hex weekly
700mg masteron prop weekly
50mg upsher smith oxandralone ED
15iu humalog AM
15iu humulin-R pre workout
15iu humalog before second post workout meal
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
120mcg clen
100mcg t3
40mg valeant tested pre workout
1mg anastrazole EOD
20mg tamox EOD
8 weeks out
1,400mg test prop weekly
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
1,400mg tren hex weekly
1,050mg masteron prop weekly
50mg upsher-smith oxandralone ED
100mg winstrol suspended in everclear ED (orally)
15iu humulin-R pre workout
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
120mcg clen
150mcg t3
1mg anastrazole ED
20mg tamox ED
4 weeks out
1,400mg test no ester weekly (1cc 2x/day)
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
1,400mg tren hex weekly
1,400mg masteron prop weekly
50mg upsher-smith oxandralone ED
200mg winstrol suspended in everclear ED (orally, 2x/day)
30mg upsher-smith androxy ED
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
160mcg clen
150mcg t3
1mg anastrazole ED
20mg tamox ED
1 week out
1,400mg tren hex weekly
1,400mg masteron prop weekly
100mg upsher-smith oxandralone ED
300mg winstrol suspended in everclear ED (orally, 3x/day)
40mg upsher-smith androxy ED
100mg anadrol ED
50mcg t4
160mcg clen
150mcg t3
1mg anastrazole ED
20mg tamox ED
My delts and glutes hurt just reading this ??? ???
Who was BFS? Not active anymore anyway...
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My weekly 100 mg TRT shot is an annoyance.
Couldn't imagine being like that pincushion, and trying to live like that.
Bizarre...