author=MCWAY link=topic=443425.msg6366469#msg6366469 date=1350267538]One, who said Hansen was "bigger or stronger"? He competes slightly over or under 200 lbs. By bodybuilding standards, he's hardly a monster. He did just this year. For most he was well over #200 at 5' 8". At 40 plus years old. And much leaner than the much younger champions of the 40's, 50's.
Two, if you think people train today the way they did 40 to 60 years ago, you're the one who needs drug testing (and it ain't for anabolics).Bullshit. Look at the the mags from the late 40's - 60's. Go read through the archives at
http://ditillo2.blogspot.com/ or similar, they had low volume, high volume. High load, low load. 2x a day splits, etc.....
And even if you were to argue that Hansen, etc..... are using higher volumes, etc..... it works against your theory because Naturals usually get over trained on ultra high volume.
Three, their diets were the same? PLEASE!! Bodybuilders of yesteryear (as in the 60s and early 70s) didn't so nearly as much cardio as bodybuilders do today. In fact, for the handful who got super-ripped, some were actually penalized for that.Diet is the same. Protein, Carbs, Fat. You can find multiple meal plans, ketogenic meal plans, etc.... in the old magazines.
And here is where you really fuck up. The natural freaks of the 40's, 50's were relatively much fatter than Hansen, etc...... But Hansen, etc...... are older, bigger, and leaner without help? And on top of that doing cardio? When did doing cardio make you bigger? What type of dark wizardry is afoot here?
Everyone knows that cardio makes naturals much smaller. It's the first thing any natural gripes about when dieting. But these guys are getting bigger and leaner than any other naturals before them by doing it?
Four, training-wise, many of those old-timers trained with the three-days-a-week routines for years on end. Now, those routines are recommended for beginners. I did that for my first 9 months of training, about 23 years ago. No, again, actually look at the old source materials, they did all types of training. Infact here is an old medical study based on old bodybuilders that shows a bunch of training schemes -
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2080112/pdf/brmedj03625-0025.pdf .
If you want to be one of those crybabies who think he can't tie his shoe, without a syringe handy, knock yourself out.
And while, NO! I don't go around holding my junk (perhaps, you're projecting here), I am known as "Mr. Clearance Sale" on a couple of boards. Why not? A good deal of these supplements are good and, if you can get them dirt cheap, why not try them?
Oh, let me guess!! You're one of those rebels-without-a-cause/clue, who think there are evil supplement companies, hiding in the shadows, thinking of ways to take your pennies, shaking your fist with tuna can in the air in defiance.
No, I'm just smart enough to understand that all physical endeavors suffer after a certain a point/age. It happens in most physical hobbies.
And that remark about clearance sales, GNC, etc...... was a shot mean to show how you are one of these nimrods attached to the notion that some pie in the sky supplement will make you better than superior lifters, half your age from 50 years ago instead of understanding that for the most part everyone ages, and that most(even the elite) do not get better with age after a point unless they hop on the spike.
P.S. You might want to check out HMB on your next GNC visit, I hear it feels like Deca.