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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Mixed Martial Arts (MMA/UFC) => Topic started by: *ChuteBoxe* on August 03, 2009, 10:15:12 AM
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I'd hate to beat a dead horse, but it appears the Fedor sweepstakes have ended.............for now:
Fedor Emelianenko has signed a multi-fight agreement that will see the world’s No. 1-ranked heavyweight compete for Strikeforce, the promotion announced Monday.
Emelianenko, who became a free agent after Affliction Entertainment canceled its Aug. 1 event two weeks ago, will make his debut on Showtime under a co-promoted Strikeforce/M-1 Global production this fall. Emelianenko was to have faced Josh Barnett at Affliction “Trilogy” on Aug. 1, but Barnett failed a pre-fight test for anabolic steroids and was refused licensure by the California State Athletic Commission.
Emelianenko, along with his promoters and management team M-1 Global, negotiated with the UFC last week, but could not come to an agreement over co-promotion.
"Strikeforce is a top fight promotion that houses some of the greatest fighters in the world," said Emelianenko in a press release. "I am prepared to fight any of them."
Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker told Sherdog.com last week that he plans to match the stoic Russian against the likes of Brett Rogers, Fabricio Werdum and the promotion’s heavyweight champion, Alistair Overeem.
“I feel pretty confident that we could give him four or five opponents that would make sense for him,” Coker told Sherdog.com in an exclusive video interview.
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rogers, werdum and overeem are more dangerous than brock. way more talented fighters. the only dude in the ufc i could see giving fedor problems is gonzaga or carwin.
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personally I think the jury is still out on Rogers....
Fedor/Werdum or Overeem definetly has potential to be something good...
it is what it is I guess...
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I hope this doesn't put the nail in the coffin for Strikeforce. Fedor is the organization killer.
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lmao!!
There you go...
All you UFC guy's will have too wait ;D
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lmao!!
There you go...
All you UFC guy's will have too wait ;D
not sure what could be so funny...
fedors fighting for a fraction of the money while he puts money in the pocket of a promoter that for some reason he's loyal to....
fedors relationship with M-1 WAS based on loyalty....NOW it's starting to seem like he's just flat out being taken advantage of...
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I just feel that the UFC shouldn't be the only company controlling everything..
And just because Fedor doesn't sign with UFC doesn't mean his not the best or his legacy is over..
And when you read some of the comments it makes you crack up on what some getbigger's are saying..
justmy2cents... ;D
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Werdum and Overeem are better than anything the UFC has to offer with the exception of maybe Brock. The contract wont last forever-- I feel that eventually Fedor will fight in the UFC or to put on a huge $$$ event, Dana will have one cross promotional fight down the road if its Brock and Fedor.
At least you cant say Fedor is going to be fighting nobodies-
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I just feel that the UFC shouldn't be the only company controlling everything..
And just because Fedor doesn't sign with UFC doesn't mean his not the best or his legacy is over..
And when you read some of the comments it makes you crack up on what some getbigger's are saying..
justmy2cents... ;D
Really? You want MMA to be spread around a bunch of promotions/organizations so that we never have undisputed title holders, a bunch weight classes and conflicting rules?
And, Fedor not going to the UFC does in fact show his fear. He'd rather get paid less and guarantee his wins, than go to the UFC where he will be truly tested.
Fedor might have been the best once, but he is not any more...unless he proves otherwise.
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Congratulations to the ruling forces in global MMA
M-1 Global - Strikeforce - Showtime - CBS
20 million new fans in the states alone, epic display of alpha domination !
(http://i27.tinypic.com/24y1fzn.gif)
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Really? You want MMA to be spread around a bunch of promotions/organizations so that we never have undisputed title holders, a bunch weight classes and conflicting rules?
And, Fedor not going to the UFC does in fact show his fear. He'd rather get paid less and guarantee his wins, than go to the UFC where he will be truly tested.
Fedor might have been the best once, but he is not any more...unless he proves otherwise.
and just who exactly in the ufc is going to test fedor? brock with a whopping 5 fights experience?
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Really? You want MMA to be spread around a bunch of promotions/organizations so that we never have undisputed title holders, a bunch weight classes and conflicting rules?
And, Fedor not going to the UFC does in fact show his fear. He'd rather get paid less and guarantee his wins, than go to the UFC where he will be truly tested.
Fedor might have been the best once, but he is not any more...unless he proves otherwise.
You call Brock the best 4-1 ???
As far as pay; Do you know for a fact what Fedor had being being offered??
There are 2 sides to every story ::)
and M-1 management said the pay was below what he was already making...
How do you know if the Stikeforce deal aint better...
By the way Strike force has the better Heavy Weight Divison..
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Congratulations to the ruling forces in global MMA
M-1 Global - Strikeforce - Showtime - CBS
20 million new fans in the states alone, epic display of alpha domination !
(http://i27.tinypic.com/24y1fzn.gif)
x2 ;D
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Really? You want MMA to be spread around a bunch of promotions/organizations so that we never have undisputed title holders, a bunch weight classes and conflicting rules?
that's where I was hoping something like WAMMA would get established...
the one governing body that had the belts (and no promotions) for the fighters from different orgs to compete for.....
but it will never happen
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Two words: Russian Mafia
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WHO CARES ABOUT STRIKEFORCE all he is doing is dodging the bullet why is he so reluctant to fight in the bigest MMA organization in history? maybe because his odds arent very favorable?
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Two words: Russian Mafia
One word: Bratva ;)
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Scott Coker / Strikeforce comments on the deal
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Really? You want MMA to be spread around a bunch of promotions/organizations so that we never have undisputed title holders, a bunch weight classes and conflicting rules?
And, Fedor not going to the UFC does in fact show his fear. He'd rather get paid less and guarantee his wins, than go to the UFC where he will be truly tested.
Fedor might have been the best once, but he is not any more...unless he proves otherwise.
exactly. There are many more tests for him in the UFC. Fedor is showing his fear. This isn't to say he wouldn't win most, if not all his fights there, but still shows he's being a pussy.
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Some of you guys are just anti-ufc. How has Strikeforce got the best competition?
Off another site:
Overeem that is 29-11. This is the guy that is supposed to be a test for Fedor, a guy that has lost virtually every big fight he has ever been in.
He lost to Kharitonov in K1 Heroes
He lost to Mauricio Rua X2
He lost to Arona
He lost to Nog X2
He lost to Werdum
He lost to Chuck Liddell
Every time the guy has a big fight, he pretty much loses. He has a win over Mark Hunt, who BTW is 5-6 in MMA. yea you read that correctly, 5-6.
Werdum had 4 fights in the UFC, of which he went 2-2, and probably should have went 1-3 because Gabe was winning that fight, he was very competitive. Werdum got the fuck out of there ASAP when he figured out that the guys he would have to face were all going to be game.
That leaves Rodgers who is rumored to have zero ground game and will likely meet a nasty end soon enough.
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Some of you guys are just anti-ufc. How has Strikeforce got the best competition?
Off another site:
Overeem that is 29-11. This is the guy that is supposed to be a test for Fedor, a guy that has lost virtually every big fight he has ever been in.
He lost to Kharitonov in K1 Heroes
He lost to Mauricio Rua X2
He lost to Arona
He lost to Nog X2
He lost to Werdum
He lost to Chuck Liddell
Every time the guy has a big fight, he pretty much loses. He has a win over Mark Hunt, who BTW is 5-6 in MMA. yea you read that correctly, 5-6.
Werdum had 4 fights in the UFC, of which he went 2-2, and probably should have went 1-3 because Gabe was winning that fight, he was very competitive. Werdum got the fuck out of there ASAP when he figured out that the guys he would have to face were all going to be game.
That leaves Rodgers who is rumored to have zero ground game and will likely meet a nasty end soon enough.
No you're right, fedor should fight cock chestnar (4-1), randy couture (16-9) or which other washed up fighter???
Overeem, rogers and werdum are good opponents.
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No you're right, fedor should fight cock chestnar (4-1), randy couture (16-9) or which other washed up fighter???
Overeem, rogers and werdum are good opponents.
Brock if a force and no matter you say would own most HWs.
Don Santos is shaping up nicely.
Carwin i think is still legit 13-0 with all 1st round knockouts and would own Rogers.
Mir is still top tier.
Nog might come back stronger - remember last fight he was injured and had staph.
Lets no forget Pat Barry, Cain, Cro-Cop, Randy, Kongo, Buentello.
Face it Fedor is going to be facing maybe one decent fighter and that is all. And yet UFC HW division is their weakest.
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No you're right, fedor should fight cock chestnar (4-1), randy couture (16-9) or which other washed up fighter???
Overeem, rogers and werdum are good opponents.
You can not be serious...Overeem can't even stay healthy long enough to fight ::)
Fedor is a disgrace. I used to respect him. Ruined his worth with this latest move.
I am sure he really doesn't care anymore
Sad to say...Mir would be a better competitor than any of those guys.
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Read the boards, articles, chat rooms, etc. The overwhelming majority of MMA fans agree that Fedor is a pussy puppet who is running from the UFC...
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LOL are you people on crack?
Overeem, Werdum and Rogers are certainly on par with anyone in the UFC besides maybe Brock who has a whopping 5 fights in his life, 2 of which were an absolute joke and one which he lost.
Nogeurra is 1/10th what he was and fedor destroyed him twice. Randy is so old and beat up he's going to have to be rolled to the ring in a wheelbarrow for his next fight. Mir was and is over-rated. Buentello? Give me a fucking break.
Your only arguments are Carwin, Congo and Brock. If those 3 are better on paper than Overeem Werdum and Rogers its not by much.
Saying that Overeem lost all his big fights, dude look at that list of opponents and when he fought them; All in their prime. Who the fuck in the UFC has even lost, let alone fought that many legitimate top fighters in the world? Nogera 100 years ago and maybe Randy. Nobody else fighting heavyweight has fought 1 100th the guys Overeem has fought.
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Fedor Emelianenko has signed a three-fight deal with Strikeforce that’s likely to begin in the fall. The common reaction from both fans and UFC honchos has been the idea that Emelianenko simply isn’t interested in testing himself against top competition.
For the sake of argument: while the UFC holds a majority share of quality heavyweights, the idea that Emelianenko’s legacy will be tainted by never making eye contact with them is a stretch.
Consider:
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira: A non-entity where Emelianenko is concerned. He loses a fourth fight only if he fractures both his hands against Nogueira’s skull.
Randy Couture: Legendary, but well into middle age.
Frank Mir: Smashed to pieces by Brock Lesnar, and traditionally weakest where Emelianenko is strongest: dropping nuclear bombs on grounded opponents.
Ben Rothwell, Junior dos Santos, Mirko “Cro Cop” Filipovic, Cheick Kongo: I could think of better ways to spend a Saturday.
Putting aside inter-divisional fights with Anderson Silva or Lyoto Machida -- which would be lots of fun for spectators -- the UFC really has three upper-tier heavyweights with skills that could potentially give Emelianenko a very hard time: Brock Lesnar, Shane Carwin and Cain Velasquez. Three.
Strikeforce can match the ante with Alistair Overeem, Brett Rogers and some kind of wild card entrant: Bobby Lashley, Blagoi Ivanov, perhaps even Josh Barnett.
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Read the boards, articles, chat rooms, etc. The overwhelming majority of MMA fans agree that Fedor is a pussy puppet who is running from the UFC...
I don't see that. There is a considerable amount of Fedor apologist posts on Sherdog.
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LOL are you people on crack?
Overeem, Werdum and Rogers are certainly on par with anyone in the UFC besides maybe Brock who has a whopping 5 fights in his life, 2 of which were an absolute joke and one which he lost.
Nogeurra is 1/10th what he was and fedor destroyed him twice. Randy is so old and beat up he's going to have to be rolled to the ring in a wheelbarrow for his next fight. Mir was and is over-rated. Buentello? Give me a fucking break.
Your only arguments are Carwin, Congo and Brock. If those 3 are better on paper than Overeem Werdum and Rogers its not by much.
Saying that Overeem lost all his big fights, dude look at that list of opponents and when he fought them; All in their prime. Who the fuck in the UFC has even lost, let alone fought that many legitimate top fighters in the world? Nogera 100 years ago and maybe Randy. Nobody else fighting heavyweight has fought 1 100th the guys Overeem has fought.
Look man I feel bad for you. I know.... it was hard for me to finally admit to myself too. There is no doubt about
it...Fedor is a pussy!
Tell me what MMA fighter would turn down a huge deal with all the freedom he wants, as well as an opportunity to
show the largest audience in the world what his legacy is all about. Even if the UFC 'may' not have the best talent,
he still could bring what the majority of the MMA world wants....him in the UFC.
It's cool. If he ever does come to the UFC,I will forgive him. Until then he is a pussy.
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Who the fuck is better? Brock Lesnar? He's proven himself?
We can argue all day about what org has the best talent...It's ALWAYS debatable.
Talent isn't really the point enirely.
The UFC can give Fedor the biggest audience to prove his talent. What is a belt or legacy worth if nodody cares
about it.
It sucks in a way...but that is politics.
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fedors more of an M-1 "company man" than he is a fighter...
much like Oscar was in the latter stages of his career when he started promoting fights..
he was just going through the motions when he had to actually get in the ring and do it..
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fedors more of an M-1 "company man" than he is a fighter...
much like Oscar was in the latter stages of his career when he started promoting fights..
he was just going through the motions when he had to actually get in the ring and do it..
This is somewhat true...but the UFC was going to give M-1 tons of exposure too. All the advertising they wanted.
No excuses for Fedor. He is a pussy.
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Who needs a Fedor in the UFC anyway... infamous KIMBO is on his way!
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Who needs a Fedor in the UFC anyway... infamous KIMBO is on his way!
The UFC does not need Fedor. They do not need Kimbo.
They have such a great org. They do not need any ONE fighter.
Stability. The UFC has it. Others don't.
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You guys are missing the bigger picture here. Its a 3 fight deal. Strikeforce has 3 legit heavyweights. Once that contract is up, Fedor is a free agent again. If Brock and Fedor are both undefeated at that point, its a foregone conclusion that he fights Brock. To be honest, there is absolutely no one in the UFC I would even want to watch Fedor fight besides Brock anyway (at least at heavyweight). Brock gets to build a decent resume, Fedor continues his dominance and after 3 fights each, I am willing to bet anything that if both haven't lost, they will find a way to make the fight happen.
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You guys are missing the bigger picture here. Its a 3 fight deal. Strikeforce has 3 legit heavyweights. Once that contract is up, Fedor is a free agent again. If Brock and Fedor are both undefeated at that point, its a foregone conclusion that he fights Brock. To be honest, there is absolutely no one in the UFC I would even want to watch Fedor fight besides Brock anyway (at least at heavyweight). Brock gets to build a decent resume, Fedor continues his dominance and after 3 fights each, I am willing to bet anything that if both haven't lost, they will find a way to make the fight happen.
Are you serious? Fedor will never step up an come to the UFC.
Meanwhile he is a pussy with M-1 as his master.
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Are you serious? Fedor will never step up an come to the UFC.
Meanwhile he is a pussy with M-1 as his master.
;D ;D
Your such a UFC guy!!
Get over it!!
The UFC does not have the best fighters!!1 ;D
Fedor made the right decision.... ;D
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;D ;D
Your such a UFC guy!!
Get over it!!
The UFC does not have the best fighters!!1 ;D
Fedor made the right decision.... ;D
What would be the biggest PPV in history? Brock vs. Fedor.
This is what the fans want to see. It would definitely show if Fedor was the real deal.
Besides...better join the nuthuggers. Someday soon that is all you will have to watch.
Sucks to say that...but with the stupidity the other orgs have, it is most likely going to happen.
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;D ;D
Your such a UFC guy!!
Get over it!!
The UFC does not have the best fighters!!1 ;D
Fedor made the right decision.... ;D
Outside of Fedor, who, in the heavyweight division would have a chance against Brock (And I hate him)? Fedor is the only legit Heavyweight out there. Overeem is too inconsistent, Aleks can't clear the AC.
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Some of you guys are just anti-ufc. How has Strikeforce got the best competition?
Off another site:
Overeem that is 29-11. This is the guy that is supposed to be a test for Fedor, a guy that has lost virtually every big fight he has ever been in.
He lost to Kharitonov in K1 Heroes
He lost to Mauricio Rua X2
He lost to Arona
He lost to Nog X2
He lost to Werdum
He lost to Chuck Liddell
Every time the guy has a big fight, he pretty much loses. He has a win over Mark Hunt, who BTW is 5-6 in MMA. yea you read that correctly, 5-6.
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yeah i don't get the overeem hype either
as for fedor, i just don't get it at all :-\
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Blagoi Ivanov have already defeat Fedor once in sambo competition. ;)
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You guys are missing the bigger picture here. Its a 3 fight deal. Strikeforce has 3 legit heavyweights. Once that contract is up, Fedor is a free agent again. If Brock and Fedor are both undefeated at that point, its a foregone conclusion that he fights Brock. To be honest, there is absolutely no one in the UFC I would even want to watch Fedor fight besides Brock anyway (at least at heavyweight). Brock gets to build a decent resume, Fedor continues his dominance and after 3 fights each, I am willing to bet anything that if both haven't lost, they will find a way to make the fight happen.
both will lose within there next 3 fights.
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I dont see it bro. Brock is too big and too powerful; Hes improved with every fight. Unless he stands and trades with Carwin and gets ko'd, he's not losing.
Fedor-- I'll believe it when I see it. Even when he's bullshitting and doesn't prepare he wins convincingly. I don't think he will take the Strikeforce HW's lightly.
I honestly think this is all building up to a huge mega card with cross promotion where Brock and Fedor have one showdown to determine who is the best heavyweight in the world. Give it another year and a half or so. If Strikeforce/Dream becomes a viable alternative and the title holders of their respective weightclasses are game, it would be fucking awesome to see a UFC v. Strikeforce faceoff. I know Im talking out of my ass, but it would be pretty damn exciting.