That's crazy talk. Banning guns will stop people getting guns. Then how can you shoot someone without a gun? Banning will work.
Grow the fuck up, junior.
That's crazy talk. Banning guns will stop people getting guns. Then how can you shoot someone without a gun? Banning will work.
Banning drugs has worked real fucking well hasn't it scooter. Same principle in action with guns, or any other thing people want
Police appear to be fighting a losing battle to control the number of firearms on our streets and admit that in some suburbs guns are easier to buy than a mobile phone.
I agree, let's just give up, remove all LAWS and live by the LAW of the Jungle. LAWS make absolutely no sense. Their are many things that are dangerous and that are BANNED and those BANS are effective. I would like to see the average punter producing their own military style weapons as easily as a STONER can set up a GROW ROOM.
Banning drugs has worked real fucking well hasn't it scooter. Same principle in action with guns, or any other thing people want
Are you a govt planted schill ekul?It's a metaphor you moron, not to be taken literally and is the opinion of some unknown journalist. It is amateur journalism designed to inflame. Like I said, I can go purchase a mobile phone right now, it is 1AM in the morning, where can I go to buy a GUN with such ease. Please tell me!
The Daily Telegraph ( a very reputable Australian newspaper):
It's a metaphor you moron, not to be taken literally and is the opinion of some unknown journalist. It is amateur journalism designed to inflame. Like I said, I can go purchase a mobile phone right now, it is 1AM in the morning, where can I go to buy a GUN with such ease. Please tell me!
So fucking what? Brasil has NOT completely banned guns and they are still losing the wars against gun trafficking, drug trafficking, child soldiers, child prostitutions....do you people not understand that there are thousands of underlying problems on complex matter such as this?
Its not ONLY banning guns, it has to do with the culture, the education, the perception people have of guns.
No shit Sherlock.
Yes, shit. And dont try irony now, you already posted like banning guns was the reason for the black market or whatever. Your correlations are weak and should try looking deeper into social issues.
What do you do for a living ekul? Or are you unemployed? Do you have a university level education? Did you finish high school? Or are you just a moron with a tax payer funded internet connection and keyboard?If you can get a gun at 3am in Australia, you are not the average citizen, you are definitely a criminal. And yes, you can get a phone at 3am, like I said, I live a 5 minute walk from a 24hour supermarket, and if I liked could have a mobile phone within the hour.
I used to live in St Kilda, and I could have gotten a gun at 3 am in the morning if I wanted. Could I get a mobile phone at 3am? And no I have no criminal record, have a university degree and a job.
If you can get a gun at 3am in Australia, you are not the average citizen, you are definitely a criminal. And yes, you can get a phone at 3am, like I said, I live a 5 minute walk from a 24hour supermarket, and if I liked could have a mobile phone within the hour.
And fuck you are full of shit.I was going to say the same about you, I have never heard so much shit in my life as to suggest that you are a normal citizen who can purchase a GUN at 3 oclock in the morning but is clueless how to obtain a mobile phone just as easily. What a complete fucking LOSER!
For the average law abiding citizen it would be much harder to obtain than for a criminal.
I was going to say the same about you, I have never heard so much shit in my life as to suggest that you are a normal citizen who can purchase a GUN at 3 oclock in the morning but is clueless how to obtain a mobile phone just as easily. What a complete fucking LOSER!
So "you go Obama!"pic gave me a boner. Pretty sure employees go home with some of that stuff once in a while.
Here is an article from 2002 (5 years after the ban came in). It notes that it is easier to buy an illegal gun than it is to buy a mobile phone:
http://www.allsafedefense.com/news/International/AussieIllegalGunSales.htm
Here is a very recent one talking about the huge internet market:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-23/call-to-combat-internet-gun-sales-amid-sydney-shootings/4481232?source=rss
And here is another very recent one, saying accidental gun deaths are up 300 percent:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2974487/posts
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Yesterday, senior Police admitted that in an internal investigations raid, they’d located a sizeable cache of weapons in the ceiling of the St. Kilda Police station, including guns, knives, a traffickable quantity of marijuana and what was thought to be a sizeable quantity of powder drugs (probably heroin, cocaine or similar).
What a load of crap, I have lived in Australian for 40 years, for the last 17 years gun have been heavily restricted, even if I wanted a gun, they would be very hard to get. I could really get one if I wanted, but it means utilising criminal networks. For the average law abiding citizen it would be much harder to obtain than for a criminal. To suggest that guns are just as easy to get as mobile phones is the most ABSURD suggestion I have ever heard. I can go to the supermarket right now, which is open 24 hours and buy a mobile phone. To get a gun could take months of discreet questioning of workmates, friends, acquaintances etc etc without any guarantees at all. Dazza is a complete fucking tool, either that or he is a Criminal who has easy access to guns.
This is the exact fucking reason we Americans are against giving up our guns. Your words exactly, "For the average law abiding citizen it would be much harder to obtain than for a criminal." So what you're saying, is that the criminals will be able to arm themselves, but the law abiding citizens won't; and you don't see anything wrong with this? ???No I don't see anything wrong with that, I have spent my entire adult life in a Country that has that exact situation, and not only has it led to low gun homicides and no mass shootings, it offers deep peace of mind. Criminals will always do whatever they like, this is what makes them criminals. I could think of anything more terrifying than living somewhere were everybody chooses to own a gun. Such a situation leads to vigilantism, mass murders, exacerbated domestic violence, more accidental child deaths, greater levels of fear, a culture de-sensitised to violence and an uncivilised society. Oh wait a minute, that is starting to sound like America. Ig more guns made a Country SAFE, America would be the safest place on the planet, and yet, a school child can't even attend a school that isn't heavily fortified and prisonlike and yet still fears they could be murdered. What a crazy country!
My guess would be you can't get a gun because you're mentally unstable.
When you speak of criminals, you need to realise that career criminals abhor the killing of innocent citizens, they have a code.
My guess would be you can't get a gun because you're mentally unstable.I don't have a desire to own a gun. I abhor all weapons of violence. I see myself as a pacifist, and the use of violence should only be used on those who intend to harm others. Personally, I see the desire to own a gun due to a paranoid belief your government is out to get you or that any moment now a home intruder is going to burst through your front door and kill you and your family as deeply mentally unstable. But I suppose if enough people suffer from the same mental illness, like GUN LUST, it appears as normal behaviour to them.
HA HA fuck you are a clown. So how do you know this? (seeing as only a crim would know about criminal activities *by your own logic*) , or did you learn it watching movies?I am not a career criminal, but in my younger years, my best friends dad was, and through this association I met many underworld figures, I have talked about this before. To make a career from crime, you can't afford to indiscriminately shoot anybody you like, that's what the Nutters of the world do (or the Zimmermans's of the world). Many of the criminals I have met are more genuine people than the average punter.
I don't have a desire to own a gun. I abhor all weapons of violence. I see myself as a pacifist, and the use of violence should only be used on those who intend to harm others. Personally, I see the desire to own a gun due to a paranoid belief your government is out to get you or that any moment now a home intruder is going to burst through your front door and kill you and your family as deeply mentally unstable. But I suppose if enough people suffer from the same mental illness, like GUN LUST, it appears as normal behaviour to them.
I am not a career criminal, but in my younger years, my best friends dad was, and through this association I met many underworld figures, I have talked about this before. To make a career from crime, you can't afford to indiscriminately shoot anybody you like, that's what the Nutters of the world do (or the Zimmermans's of the world). Many of the criminals I have met are more genuine people than the average punter.Was this before or after you became a wrestling champion?
I see myself as a pacifist, and the use of violence should only be used on those who intend to harm others.Is this the same guy that said he'd beat the shit out of the "do you even lift" prankster? Lmao!!
Is this the same guy that said he'd beat the shit out of the "do you even lift" prankster? Lmao!!For sure, being a pacifist doesn't mean you NEVER use violence. Violence can be used where it is absolutely necessary to advance the cause of peace, and beating up some arsehole who regularly disturbs the peace and attempts to incite violence and thinks their is nothing wrong with it would be the perfect excuse.
Was this before or after you became a wrestling champion?Before!
So "you go Obama!"
Here is an article from 2002 (5 years after the ban came in). It notes that it is easier to buy an illegal gun than it is to buy a mobile phone:
http://www.allsafedefense.com/news/International/AussieIllegalGunSales.htm
Here is a very recent one talking about the huge internet market:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-23/call-to-combat-internet-gun-sales-amid-sydney-shootings/4481232?source=rss
And here is another very recent one, saying accidental gun deaths are up 300 percent:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2974487/posts
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I lived in Oz for about a year, right in the middle of King's Cross for half that time and it would have been quite easy to obtain a gun if I really wanted one. Saying it's as easy as buying a mobile phone is inaccurate. You can't just walk up to a random person and buy a gun, you definitely have to know people, but that's the easy part.
I don't have a desire to own a gun. I abhor all weapons of violence. I see myself as a pacifist, and the use of violence should only be used on those who intend to harm others. Personally, I see the desire to own a gun due to a paranoid belief your government is out to get you or that any moment now a home intruder is going to burst through your front door and kill you and your family as deeply mentally unstable. But I suppose if enough people suffer from the same mental illness, like GUN LUST, it appears as normal behaviour to them.
Can one purchase an anonymous mobile phone these days? Can one purchase a mobile phone and get it activated without proffering any type of ID at all?
Can one purchase an anonymous mobile phone these days? Can one purchase a mobile phone and get it activated without proffering any type of ID at all? One can do this with illegal guns, obviously.lol, sheltered.
I hope so?
You can't? ???
lol, sheltered.
Tell me the ways, in the U.S., to purchase and activate a cell phone without divulging your identity.
ROFL!Yeah, dude is confused. I'm starting to think he has dementia.
You wanted to beat that innocent kid up in the other thread? ;D
What a load of crap, I have lived in Australian for 40 years, for the last 17 years gun have been heavily restricted, even if I wanted a gun, they would be very hard to get. I could really get one if I wanted, but it means utilising criminal networks. For the average law abiding citizen it would be much harder to obtain than for a criminal. To suggest that guns are just as easy to get as mobile phones is the most ABSURD suggestion I have ever heard. I can go to the supermarket right now, which is open 24 hours and buy a mobile phone. To get a gun could take months of discreet questioning of workmates, friends, acquaintances etc etc without any guarantees at all. Dazza is a complete fucking tool, either that or he is a Criminal who has easy access to guns.Average Law Abiding Citizens usually don't try and get guns Illegally, because they wouldn't be Abiding The Law, now would they?
Average Law Abiding Citizens usually don't try and get guns Illegally, because they wouldn't be Abiding The Law, now would they?We don't appreciate logic around here, you need to suspend logic and start running off pure emotion to communicate with E-Kul, much like a woman would.
Walk into walmart, and buy a pre-paid phone. It's that simple. :D
I've done that for my kids. Activating the phone required idUse a different brand. ::)
so E-Kunt admits that criminals still have very easy access to guns yet law abiding citizens do not.
Wasnt the point of the legislation to get the guns out of the hands of the criminals?
Something like that. Basically he's admitted that he is:
1. A pussy.
2. A passive bottom twink.
3. Scared of guns.
4. Delusional.
5. Quickly becoming getbig's biggest bitch.
I think it's becoming obvious that he is a bitter/jealous bitch over the fact that American's can walk into any sporting store and leave 30 minutes later with a rifle. :D
If you had no choice, and had to spend a week with one of the two, would you choose E-Kul, or Garebear? ;DGarebear.
Garebear.
Dude has actually been in some shit, E-kul's life experience is a dog attack.
No comparison. Garebear, while I may not agree with much of what he says, I respect the hell out of him for putting his life in harms way for something he believes in.
Only time E-Kuls life has been threatened, he responds by crying like a bitch repeatedly for the remainder of his life.
Good point, I'm too much of a pussy to serve. That wasn't a fair choice.a_ahmed, dude actually has a sense of humor (when not discussing Islam, so clearly I'd have to talk a bunch of shit about Islam if we hung out)
E-Kul or a_ahmed? ;D
so E-Kunt admits that criminals still have very easy access to guns yet law abiding citizens do not.No, the point of the legislation is to get the guns out of the hands of crazed gunmen. Criminals are always going to break the law REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE LAW IS. This is why they are criminals. The majority of these mass shooters are hardly what you would call criminals, they are law abiding citizens that have snapped. Their final act may have been criminal, but they didn't live their lives as criminals. It's not the criminals that you have to worry about, it's the law abiding citizen that becomes unhinged, and at the moment they become unhinged they have easy access to a gun, well, we all know the end result.
Wasnt the point of the legislation to get the guns out of the hands of the criminals?
No, the point of the legislation is to get the guns out of the hands of crazed gunmen. Criminals are always going to break the law REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE LAW IS. This is why they are criminals. The majority of these mass shooters are hardly what you would call criminals, they are law abiding citizens that have snapped. Their final act may have been criminal, but they didn't live their lives as criminals. It's not the criminals that you have to worry about, it's the law abiding citizen that becomes unhinged, and at the moment they become unhinged they have easy access to a gun, well, we all know the end result.So you want to legislate guns away from all law abiding citizens in a vain effort to stop what accounts to a very, very tiny percentage of gun violence?
You have a misguided belief that you're cowardness is really pacifism, and that if you withdraw from society the "bad people" will leave you alone.Someone claims they have no desire to own a gun, and you call this cowardice, if the world is as dangerous as you make it appear, wouldn't walking through it unarmed make that person far braver than the one who walks through it carrying guns. And who said anything about withdrawing from society, I actually don't know where you get this stuff from. People still need to make sensible choices, just because you arm yourself with a weapon wouldn't give you license to walk into the local chapter of the bikie club and start insulting everyone. I actually think it is cowards who are attracted to guns, they are terrified of being in a physical confrontation and losing, that the thought of having a gun gives them the psychological boost they need to overcome this cowardice. Without the gun they would become meek little men, if you want to see a timid, weak little man become an Instant Arsehole, just give him a gun, he will all of a sudden develop a big mouth, an attitude and start waving his dick around like he owns the world, not unlike the gun nutters here on Getbig like to do.
I'm 100% certain you were molested and abused as a child.
So you want to legislate guns away from all law abiding citizens in a vain effort to stop what accounts to a very, very tiny percentage of gun violence?Stopping a small percentage of gun violence is progress, I am sure the children who would have been murdered as a result of doing nothing about gun laws sure would be grateful. So your solution is it is better to do nothing and have the Gun Violence remain the same than do something and begin to reduce the astronomical homicide rate. Epic Sociopath.
Epic logic failure.
Descriptions of Bryant's behaviour as an adolescent show that he continued to be disturbed and outline the possibility of mental retardation. He was revealed to have very low intelligence, with an I.Q. of 66,[6] equivalent to an 11-year-old and in the bottom 1.17 percent of the Australian population, and was possibly autistic.[5] Bryant's mother, Carleen Bryant, said her son had been diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome.[7]
Further testing following his arrest indicated a verbal I.Q. of 64 and non-verbal reasoning and cognitive functioning of 68, giving a full scale I.Q. of 66, an age equivalent of 11 years in the 10th percentile (90% of 11 year olds would score higher). On leaving school he was assessed for a disability pension by a psychiatrist who wrote: "Cannot read or write. Does a bit of gardening and watches TV ... Only his parents' efforts prevent further deterioration. Could be schizophrenic and parents face a bleak future with him." Bryant received a disability pension, though he also worked as a handyman and gardener.[8]
No, the point of the legislation is to get the guns out of the hands of crazed gunmen. Criminals are always going to break the law REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE LAW IS. This is why they are criminals. The majority of these mass shooters are hardly what you would call criminals, they are law abiding citizens that have snapped. Their final act may have been criminal, but they didn't live their lives as criminals. It's not the criminals that you have to worry about, it's the law abiding citizen that becomes unhinged, and at the moment they become unhinged they have easy access to a gun, well, we all know the end result.actually many of these events are preplanned, even if the person doing the planning wasnt a criminal before hand the fact the preplanned it means that they would find a way to get guns even if they were available only to criminals.
Stopping a small percentage of gun violence is progress, I am sure the children who would have been murdered as a result of doing nothing about gun laws sure would be grateful. So your solution is it is better to do nothing and have the Gun Violence remain the same than do something and begin to reduce the astronomical homicide rate. Epic Sociopath.Where do liberal idiots such as yourself get that not banning guns means that someone doesnt want to do anything about innocent ppl being murdered?
actually many of these events are preplanned, even if the person doing the planning wasnt a criminal before hand the fact the preplanned it means that they would find a way to get guns even if they were available only to criminals.What a load of shit, the average rage filled teenager from your average family in this Country would find it next to impossible to source an Assault rifle, his next best option would be too throw an infantile hissy fit and roll around on the ground. You Americans live in constant denial, you have trouble picturing a society that has made it hard for those who want to commit mass shootings.
Sorry moron, you lose on all accounts.
What a load of crap, I have lived in Australian for 40 years, for the last 17 years gun have been heavily restricted, even if I wanted a gun, they would be very hard to get. I could really get one if I wanted, but it means utilising criminal networks. For the average law abiding citizen it would be much harder to obtain than for a criminal. To suggest that guns are just as easy to get as mobile phones is the most ABSURD suggestion I have ever heard. I can go to the supermarket right now, which is open 24 hours and buy a mobile phone. To get a gun could take months of discreet questioning of workmates, friends, acquaintances etc etc without any guarantees at all. Dazza is a complete fucking tool, either that or he is a Criminal who has easy access to guns.
You can, but you need to activate it with a landline number (which can be easily traced to a physical address/person) -- at least someone who will know who you are.
Where do liberal idiots such as yourself get that not banning guns means that someone doesnt want to do anything about innocent ppl being murdered?What a load of shit! I never said banning guns won't help. An why would I pretend I am for saving lives, seems like a pretty normal thing for a normal human being to desire. The problem isn't peoples desire to kill people, all types of regular sane people have a momentary murderous rage, I have heard all kinds of people in a fit of anger threaten someone else's life, once they have cooled, nobody seriously believes they were serious. The fact is, anybody is capable of murdering someone else in a fit of RAGE, for a society to best reduce the likelihood of someone doing so, it is best to make sure they don't have easy access to weapons that can be use to efficiently carry out that task. Soon the rage will have subsided and the murderous impulse gone away.
youve already admitted that banning guns wouldnt help so lets first stop pretending you are for saving lives and admit youre really just for banning guns and are using these incidents as foder for your idiocy.
Guns are not the problem, guns are not inherintly evil they are inanimate objects which do the bidding of their user. The problem is the users desire to kill ppl, taking away guns wont eliminate that desire.
If youre really for saving innocent lives then start addressing the problem.
What a load of shit, the average rage filled teenager from your average family in this Country would find it next to impossible to source an Assault rifle, his next best option would be too thrown an infantile hissy fit and roll around on the ground. You Americans live in constant denial, you have trouble picturing a society that has made it hard for those who want to commit mass shootings.LOL right b/c teenagers have such a hard time finding other forms of illegal banned items...
In the 18 years before the gun law reforms in Australia, there were 13 mass shootings in Australia, and in the 16 years after the GUN LAW REFORMS their have been ZERO mass shootings.
I live in Australia and nobody I know owns a gun and nobody cares about having guns either.Same here, in 22 years in the workforce I have met one person who owned a gun, he was a sports shooter and hunted in his spare time, he was a sensible man and had grown up in a family that took responsible GUN Ownership very seriously. Other than that, I know of nobody who owns a gun, people just never talk about guns. I think because Americans are so insular and unaware of the rest of the world, they find it so hard to imagine a society were guns just aren't important in any way. They seem to think worshipping guns and developing an obsessional fixation on them is NORMAL and they can't see the reason behind this is because they were indoctrinated with that mindset through the Culture and it's surroundings.
Guns are just an non issue here.
What a load of shit! I never said banning guns won't help. An why would I pretend I am for saving lives, seems like a pretty normal thing for a normal human being to desire. The problem isn't peoples desire to kill people, all types of regular sane people have a momentary murderous rage, I have heard all kinds of people in a fit of anger threaten someone else's life, once they have cooled, nobody seriously believes they were serious. The fact is, anybody is capable of murdering someone else in a fit of RAGE, for a society to best reduce the likelihood of someone doing so, it is best to make sure they don't have easy access to weapons that can be use to efficiently carry out that task. Soon the rage will have subsided and the murderous impulse gone away.you seem to have a misconception in thinking that majority of these incidents are impulse killings, they are not and b/c of that banning guns will not prevent these idiots from acting like idiots.
It is like a bodybuilder dieting for a show, having his fridge full of sugary high fat foods, this doesn't mean he will bust on his diet, but it sure doesn't help. And if he does decide to bust, it won't be too hard for him!
LOL right b/c teenagers have such a hard time finding other forms of illegal banned items...The desire to kill innocent people is NOT the problem, a large percentage of people would experience a murderous impulse or fantasy and NEVER ACT ON IT. This was a big part of Sigmund Freuds discovery, is that humans have unconscious dangerous desires that if not kept in check could severely disrupt the running of a civilised society, this is why we have Governments in the first place. You cannot legislate against what you call EVIL, but you sure as hell can make it hard for them to do maximum damage. Using your logic, LAWS seem pointless, you may as well allow people to own any grade of weapon they like and let the chips fall where they may, every man for himself.
grow the fuck up moron ppl do evil shit, you cannot legislate evil away you idiot.
you live in a fantasy world, where ppl want nothing but the best for each other and the govt always has your best interest in mind.
again dipshit guns arent the problem, the desire to kill innocent ppl is
you seem to have a misconception in thinking that majority of these incidents are impulse killings, they are not and b/c of that banning guns will not prevent these idiots from acting like idiots.Of course it will, If someone is intent on killing masses of people, they sure are going to struggle to achieve this with a kitchen knife. You allow your bias and desire to own such weapons to over rule your common sense. So if faced with being in a crowded public place and dealing with a crazed attacker with a automatic weapon, you actually prefer this option over a rage filled individual with a knife?
just like facts dont prevent you from acting like an idiot...
The desire to kill innocent people is NOT the problem, a large percentage of people would experience a murderous impulse or fantasy and NEVER ACT ON IT. This was a big part of Sigmund Freuds discovery, is that humans have unconscious dangerous desires that if not kept in check could severely disrupt the running of a civilised society, this is why we have Governments in the first place. You cannot legislate against what you call EVIL, but you sure as hell can make it hard for them to do maximum damage. Using your logic, LAWS seem pointless, you may as well allow people to own any grade of weapon they like and let the chips fall where they may, every man for himself.LOL no the majority of ppl do not experience the desire to actually kill someone. You know the majority of frueds shit has been done away with right?
You live in a fantasy world, believing that somehow GUNS will protect you against every life threatening experience you encounter. It appears that your desire to own a GUN is a psychological defence against your fear of dying!
Of course it will, If someone is intent on killing masses of people, they sure are going to struggle to achieve this with a kitchen knife. You allow your bias and desire to own such weapons to over rule your common sense. So if faced with being in a crowded public place and dealing with a crazed attacker with a automatic weapon, you actually prefer this option over a rage filled individual with a knife?again brainchild as the majority of these incidents ARE PLANNED, what makes you think they would use a knife instead of a gun?
LOL no the majority of ppl do not experience the desire to actually kill someone. You know the majority of frueds shit has been done away with right?You live in denial, I have heard many people in a fit of rage threaten to kill others, from young children to the elderly. The fact is the desire to kill someone starts with the same HATRED you display for others who oppose your views. If you were capable of honest inner reflection you would acknowledge your own murderous feelings towards others. This is what makes people like you so scary, they are unaware of the very basics of their own psychology and inner workings. And one day, when these unacknowledged and murderous impulse are triggered, they overwhelm the individual and all hell breaks loose. No I don't think these things are highly PLANNED as you suggest, sometimes the shooter makes vague plans, but nothing that could be considered highly technical.
and as you have already admitted the laws do not work as ppl still have easy access to guns. Seeing as the majority of these shootings are planned and not impulse related. Do you not think they would PLAN ON GETTING GUNS BEFORE GOING THROUGH WITH IT???
again youre an idiot who likes to play pretend psychologist when youre really simply projecting your own issues onto others.
What I find hillarious is that fact that E-Kunt basically wants to make America a "gun free zone" when we can plainly see that this is where these sociopaths like to carry out their plans.I couldn't care less about America, my fear is that Australia has adopted some of Americas ways, it's love of greed, it's materialism, it's declining concern about morality etc etc. I know their is a small dormant gun Nutter contingency in this Country. I would hate to see this special interest group rise the way it has in America, and hold the rest of society hostage with it's lies and propaganda. My belief is that Americans will continue killing each other at an alarming rate, regardless of the laws, you can't legislate CRAZY, and the average American is pretty CRAZY, and yet what makes their craziness particularly frightening is because so many suffer from the same collective craziness, they see their CRAZINESS as NORMAL.
You live in denial, I have heard many people in a fit of rage threaten to kill others, from young children to the elderly. The fact is the desire to kill someone starts with the same HATRED you display for others who oppose your views. If you were capable of honest inner reflection you would acknowledge your own murderous feelings towards others. This is what makes people like you so scary, they are unaware of the very basics of their own psychology and inner workings. And one day, when these unacknowledged and murderous impulse are triggered, they overwhelm the individual and all hell breaks loose. No I don't think these things are highly PLANNED as you suggest, sometimes the shooter makes vague plans, but nothing that could be considered highly technical.Goodness gracious youre an idiot, yelling something in the heat of the moment is not the same as a desire to take another human life.
Luke Woodham, killed two students and injured seven others at his high school. Before the shooting at Pearl High School began, Woodham stabbed and bludgeoned his mother to death in his home. Two days before going on his rampage, he was working at his job at the local Pizzeria, hardly the workings of someone who is planning to kill others in a couple of days time, they may have some vague plans, but nothing set in stone. He was stopped by the assistant principal and while he was being pinned to the ground, in a bizarre twist, Woodham reminded the assistant principal that he had given him a discount on his pizza a few nights earlier.
I couldn't care less about America, my fear is that Australia has adopted some of Americas ways, it's love of greed, it's materialism, it's declining concern about morality etc etc. I know their is a small dormant gun Nutter contingency in this Country. I would hate to see this special interest group rise the way it has in America, and hold the rest of society hostage with it's lies and propaganda. My belief is that Americans will continue killing each other at an alarming rate, regardless of the laws, you can't legislate CRAZY, and the average American is pretty CRAZY, and yet what makes their craziness particularly frightening is because so many suffer from the same collective craziness, they see their CRAZINESS as NORMAL.blah blah blah, project project project...
Goodness gracious youre an idiot, yelling something in the heat of the moment is not the same as a desire to take another human life.Gun Free Zone, I always lol at that, you say that without realising that the need to have a GUN FREE ZONE is an indication that your society has FAILED, it's the same with FREE SPEECH ZONES, pretty bizarre concept. And in the same sentence you say it wasn't rage that motivated the latest shooter, but it's less potent relative Mr ANGER. One of the surviving children testified that the SHOOTER was REALLY ANGRY. Sounds like RAGE to me, depending on how long the individual has been bottling up their emotions, RAGE can last for quite a while. It could take someone with such intense emotions quite a while to sort through them and move beyond their murderous fantasies, all the more reason to make guns harder to access.
The story you cited is a perfect example brain child this idiot DROVE to the school. Sorry hoss that right there goes against your idea that given a little time they would cool off. This shows that this wasnt just an act of rage and impulse. This sick bastard drove there with the clear intention of killing ppl b/c he was angry.
Sorry dumb ass this wasnt an impulse killing this was something he clearly thought through and moved forward with his desire to kill.
NOTICE ALSO HOW HE PICKED YET ANOTHER "GUN FREE ZONE"...::) idiot
Gun Free Zone, I always lol at that, you say that without realising that the need to have a GUN FREE ZONE is an indication that your society has FAILED, it's the same with FREE SPEECH ZONES, pretty bizarre concept. And in the same sentence you say it wasn't rage that motivated the latest shooter, but it's less potent relative Mr ANGER. One of the surviving children testified that the SHOOTER was REALLY ANGRY. Sounds like RAGE to me, depending on how long the individual has been bottling up their emotions, RAGE can last for quite a while. It could take someone with such intense emotions quite a while to sort through them and move beyond their murderous fantasies, all the more reason to make guns harder to access.LOL youre whole idea is to make the entire country a "gun free zone" you brainiac!!!
blah blah blah, project project project...You know what projection is, yet in the very next sentence you consider me obsessed, obsessed with what, common sense. It is pretty obvious that you have an obsession with GUNS, me on the other hand, never think of them (unless debating with a NUTTER), don't desire to own one or use one and will spend the rest of my life like that. My conflict is with SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS, what I would refer to as a group of like minded individuals who come together due to their common obsession. They all use the same bully boy tactics and desperately attempt to enforce their beliefs on others when their special interest conflicts with the rest of society. Most special Interest groups are benign and pose little threat to the rest of society. Not so with special interest groups like the NRA.
LMFAO at your obsession
I couldn't care less about America, my fear is that Australia has adopted some of Americas ways, it's love of greed, it's materialism, it's declining concern about morality etc etc.
and the average American is pretty CRAZY, and yet what makes their craziness particularly frightening is because so many suffer from the same collective craziness, they see their CRAZINESS as NORMAL.
LOL youre whole idea is to make the entire country a "gun free zone" you brainiac!!!That's ridiculous, so if I am dieting and late one night I get an impulse to break the diet and eat ice cream, by driving to the store and following through on this impulse means the action didn't stem from that impulse but a well thought out plan to break the diet. Interesting Theory. Where do you think the plan comes from? the IMPULSE! Now if I drive to the store and they are CLOSED, I then decide to drive 5 miles to the next store and discover they are also CLOSED. The impulse to eat ice cream would be weakened by the difficulty to obtain such a creamy delicacy, if I continued on in this manner only to discover that none of the stores I visited were OPEN I would more than likely return home empty handed. Now if i was really Intent on Ice Cream, sure I could commit a crime and break into the store and steal some Ice Cream, but that would have to be a pretty powerful initial impulse to behave in such a manner.
I agree, its a stupid ass idea, whats funny is the irony that you dont seem to understand thats what youre arguing for...LMFAO
hahaha your assertion is that these are implusive shootings. Sorry moron if the guy has to load up the guns and drive to the place he is going to murder ppl at it isnt impulsive. Its thought out and planned even if it was a shitty plan.
The idiocy your spewing is just digging the hole youre in deeper and deeper.
If yopu live by the sword (gun), you die by the sword(gun). I think this is summing up the way American society is heading as a whole quite well.
Stopping a small percentage of gun violence is progress, I am sure the children who would have been murdered as a result of doing nothing about gun laws sure would be grateful. So your solution is it is better to do nothing and have the Gun Violence remain the same than do something and begin to reduce the astronomical homicide rate. Epic Sociopath.The Boy and the Starfish
A man was walking along a deserted beach at sunset. As he walked he could see a young boy in the distance, as he drew nearer he noticed that the boy kept bending down, picking something up and throwing it into the water.
Time and again he kept hurling things into the ocean.
As the man approached even closer, he was able to see that the boy was picking up starfish that had been washed up on the beach and, one at a time he was throwing them back into the water.
The man asked the boy what he was doing, the boy replied,"I am throwing these washed up starfish back into the ocean, or else they will die through lack of oxygen. "But", said the man, "You can't possibly save them all, there are thousands on this beach, and this must be happening on hundreds of beaches along the coast. You can't possibly make a difference."
The boy looked down, frowning for a moment; then bent down to pick up another starfish, smiling as he threw it back into the sea. He replied,
"I made a huge difference to that one!"
Assault weapons are not the weapons of choice among drug dealers, gang members or criminals in general. Assault weapons are used in about one-fifth of one percent (.20%) of all violent crimes and about one percent in gun crimes. It is estimated that from one to seven percent of all homicides are committed with assault weapons (rifles of any type are involved in three to four percent of all homicides). However a higher percentage are used in police homicides, roughly ten percent. (There has been no consistent trend in this rate from 1978 through 1996.) Between 1992 and 1996 less than 4% of mass murders, committed with guns, involved assault weapons. (Our deadliest mass murders have either involved arson or bombs.)
So if we sell heroin at every sporting goods store in the USA, there will be less heroin on the streets? I like that. Damn fine idea.
Legalize drugs, tax them, sell them in drug stores and put drug dealers and cartels out of business. Why not?I agree about legalising drugs, especially when you consider what has happened in Mexico with the rise of violent Mexican drug cartels. Their are 75 homicides a day in Mexico with the majority related to drug cartels. Drug use is self harm and entering a school with a syringe full of heroin with the intent of mass murder is likely to fail.
We can get drugs anytime we want, if I'm going to abuse them I will.
Putting an end to the illegal drug trade would save more lives than banning guns ever could.
I agree about legalising drugs, especially when you consider what has happened in Mexico with the rise of violent Mexican drug cartels. Their are 75 homicides a day in Mexico with the majority related to drug cartels. Drug use is self harm and entering a school with a syringe full of heroin with the intent of mass murder is likely to fail.
I agree, let's just give up, remove all LAWS and live by the LAW of the Jungle. LAWS make absolutely no sense. Their are many things that are dangerous and that are BANNED and those BANS are effective. I would like to see the average punter producing their own military style weapons as easily as a STONER can set up a GROW ROOM.
Can you at least admit that a country like Mexico is wrong for preventing its law abiding citizens from having firearms? ???I agree that Mexico should have the same ease of access to guns as what Americans do, if ever their was a case to be made for such easy access to Guns it is Mexico. The solution I think is for America too legalise drugs and ban guns, and hand over the guns you do have to the Mexican citizens so they can run the cartels out of town while the new drugs laws are being implemented.
There are thousands of murderers walking around Mexico completely immune to any kind of justice, and no end in sight. "Mexican officials say nearly 13,000 people were killed in violence blamed on organized crime between January and September last year."
Considering the fact that their gun ban isn't preventing any violence at all, why keep guns out of the hands of good people that only want to defend their family?
Before!
Lol @Australians being happy to give up their rights ;DThe right for a crazed citizen to have easy access to a gun so he can blow a bunch of school children's brains out was an easy one to give up.
Lol @Australians being happy to give up their rights ;D
Lol @americans not understanding that legislating and controlling guns is a right in itself with its correlative duty.
Not when we have the 2nd ammendment in place. It does not give us the right to own firearms, it guarentees us the right to own firearms. Until they ammend the constitution again, they can't have our firearms. :D
Not when we have the 2nd ammendment in place. It does not give us the right to own firearms, it guarentees us the right to own firearms. Until they ammend the constitution again, they can't have our firearms. :D
I am pro legisltaing and restricting gun ownership until its practically impossible to own one, would you consider that, in this case, your constitutional right to own firearms is still infringed? This is a genuine question and I am interested in your answer.Why? What do you expect the results to be?
Meaning, its going to be very hard to legally own a gun, very hard, but technically you still can.
I am pro legisltaing and restricting gun ownership until its practically impossible to own one, would you consider that, in this case, your constitutional right to own firearms is still infringed? This is a genuine question and I am interested in your answer.
Meaning, its going to be very hard to legally own a gun, very hard, but technically you still can.
Why? What do you expect the results to be?
This, paired with an adequate educational approach to gun ownership will produce what happens in my country, almost 0 issues over firearms. We dont have mass shootings, we dont have people complaining about our rights to firearms (we have a very strong "right to property" in our constitution which can very well include owning firearms), yet firearms are not an issue, never have been, much like in any other countriy where people dont have a trigger-happy mentality. Even the ghettoest ghetto thugs have trouble acquiring guns, which caused a funny phenomenon of homemade firearms that cant even kill people (although they leave them badly injuried). We enforce our customs duties corrrectly, trafficking is hard, and there is no market for it because of several factors, education and inside enforcement of gun ownership laws being the most important ones.Not sure which island you live on but here you can get anything you want if you got the money. Laws have absolutely nothing to do with it.
Not sure which island you live on but here you can get anything you want if you got the money. Laws have absolutely nothing to do with it.
Not sure which island you live on but here you can get anything you want if you got the money. Laws have absolutely nothing to do with it.
It's the same everywhere, notwithstanding that polesmoker's input about his country.
Its not, actually, its so different that only the US is ridden with these deep gun issues. Of course black markets will exist always, but open your eyes kiddo, nobody else is having these issues at this level.
Not sure which island you live on but here you can get anything you want if you got the money. Laws have absolutely nothing to do with it.
"nobody else at this level" ::)Hahahahahahahaahaha, you dont have shit idea what that means or entails, leave the people who know about that talk about that. I will fight for my right to reasonable legislation on firearms, unlike you, white trash biggot.
Wake up, junior. You do realize that this stuff is all overplayed by the liberal media.
If you aren't man enough to stand up for your rights, that is your fucking problem.
Agreed, there are an estimated 260-300 million firearms in the US. No matter what laws, levees, or legislation you put on them, you'll never be able to control 300 million firearms floating around. At this point, it's a lost cause. :-\Well, if youre willing to just be passive about it then this discussion has 0 use.
Hahahahahahahaahaha, you dont have shit idea what that means or entails, leave the people who know about that talk about that. I will fight for my right to reasonable legislation on firearms, unlike you, white trash biggot.
Well, if youre willing to just be passive about it then this discussion has 0 use.
Lie down and enjoy the raping you get from your country's "reasonable legislation" ::)
You misspelled "bigot," queer.
Now fuck off and die.
No no no, i'm not being passive, I think my stance is clear. I want guns. I can't rely on the govt to protect me from armed thugs, and armed psychotics. Therefore, I will protect myself. :D I frequently go camping in the middle of nowhere, and usually stay in a secluded cabin in the smokey mountains about 1-2 times a year. Usually where I camp and cabin, I have limited to no cellular service, and the closest law enforcement is 30-60 minutes away. Am I just supposed to pray that nothing bad ever happens? Robbers, drunk kids, bears, etc? Fuck no, I usually take an AK with me. It gives me piece of mind, and helps me sleep better at night. Everyone else can do whatever the fuck they like. I for one will make sure i'm well prepared. :D
As things are right now, yes, I can understand the need for that security. My question is, wouldnt you like to live in a not-so-hypothetical society where guns were almost never an issues? Knowing your kids are safe at school because guns are almost non existant in civilians and that the general social perception of guns is that they are dangerous and should never be had by anybody (mostly due to the ignorance of almost everybody on how guns actually work), and with a decent goverment that can enforce said laws? Again, this is by no means a utopic society.
Yes, I would love to live in this paradise you speak of. However, the reality is that that will never happen in America. There are already too many guns in circulation. I agree with you that purchasing a gun needs to be a more in depth process, but that still won't address the 300 million guns already on the streets. In our society, any person that's 21 years or older can get a gun in just a few hours. I've bought guns in the parking lot of McDonalds before. :D
I like how you avoid the substance of the debate and refer to foreign pieces of legislation as "rape", what a thoughtful individual you are.Your "debate" has no substance. How do you know mass shootings don't happen all around the world every day? I mean really, the entire world focuses on the Almighty US of A, nobody gives a shit if some whacko in Bumfuckistan shoots up a group of people. A few people in the US get shot and the entire world mourns.
Please leave this discussion to those in the know, you piece of hill-billy excrement.
Your "debate" has no substance. How do you know mass shootings don't happen all around the world every day? I mean really, the entire world focuses on the Almighty US of A, nobody gives a shit if some whacko in Bumfuckistan shoots up a group of people. A few people in the US get shot and the entire world mourns.
That's superiority. 8)
Things like this make me realize how different societies can be, I mean, this is apalling for me.
I like how you avoid the substance of the debate and refer to foreign pieces of legislation as "rape", what a thoughtful individual you are.
Please leave this discussion to those in the know, you piece of hill-billy excrement.
This, paired with an adequate educational approach to gun ownership will produce what happens in my country, almost 0 issues over firearms. We dont have mass shootings, we dont have people complaining about our rights to firearms (we have a very strong "right to property" in our constitution which can very well include owning firearms), yet firearms are not an issue, never have been, much like in any other countriy where people dont have a trigger-happy mentality. Even the ghettoest ghetto thugs have trouble acquiring guns, which caused a funny phenomenon of homemade firearms that cant even kill people (although they leave them badly injuried). We enforce our customs duties correctly (fiscalization), trafficking is hard, and there is no market for it because of several factors, education and inside enforcement of gun ownership laws being the most important ones.That can only work if the average citizen isn't an insecure douchebag, we are talking about American citizens, they aren't very manly, and the only way they have found to compensate for such inherited weakness is to own an arsenal of weapons. The politicians have easily enslaved the citizens, as they aren't terribly bright, all the Politicians had to do was tell them they could own a gun, for some odd reason that is all it took to enslave the nation. The average citizen was happy enough to be enslaved as long as he could own a gun. Go figure eh! Who would have thought the easiest way to enslave your citizens was to let them own a gun and indoctrinate them with how important it was to own one. LOL
Basically, if it works here and elsewhere, why wouldnt it work in the US?
I agree, I have no trouble saying a part of occident has its eyes on the US, but that has NOTHING to do with the subject. And I have no trouble admitting the US is superior to my shitty country. ;)So why aren't you calling for chainsaws to be banned? Mexicans are hacking each others heads off 40-50 at a time.
How do I know? I have friends from several parts of europe and family, and well, I live in south america and we get the news of our neighboors. Or are you trying to imply there is some sort of "liberal masterplan media control paranoia-shit" that covers all of the "mass murders occurring sistematically" in other parts of the world? Plus, I read the news, digitally and paper, so you get to read stuff about other parts of the world, which some of you clearly dont. But, if you desire, name me mass murderings occurring systematically here in South America and Europe (protip: guerillas in Colombia and Favela Warlords in Brasil are NOT mass murdering, they are fighting a drug related war).
And lastly, gun control is a substanceless debate? I see...
That can only work if the average citizen isn't an insecure douchebag, we are talking about American citizens, they aren't very manly, and the only way they have found to compensate for such inherited weakness is to own an arsenal of weapons.
The faggotry is strong in this one. :D
The faggotry is strong in this one. :DMust be terrible to have someone insult your masculinity and you are unable to stick a gun in their face! I suppose projecting your homosexuality is the next best thing!
Must be terrible to have someone insult your masculinity and you are unable to stick a gun in their face! I suppose projecting your homosexuality is the next best thing!
Must be terrible to have someone insult your masculinity and you are unable to stick a gun in their face! I suppose projecting your homosexuality is the next best thing!
Must be terrible to know that you will eventually burn in hell for choosing to be a polesmoker.Why are some getbiggers obsessed with homosexuality! Are you not aware that your constant accusations of homosexuality in strangers has nothing to do with the accused and offers obvious insight into your unconscious. Just come out already and be proud about it! Stop playing the classic repressed homosexual. It is embarrassing.
(http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/images/4/2011/05/meltdown2.jpg)lol at confirming your own meltdown!
Why are some getbiggers obsessed with homosexuality! Are they not aware that their constant accusations of homosexuality in strangers has nothing to do with the accused and offers obvious insight into their unconscious. Just come out already and be proud about it! Stop playing the classic repressed homosexual. It is embarrassing..
.Because you accused my of faggotry! and then followed it up with an accusation of being a pole-smoker. generally when the first two posts directed at me are about how I am a homo, I have to sincerely question the sexuality of the accuser. For someone to have homosexuality on the tip of their mind like this is a sure indication of a lurking unconscious desire. This is common in repressed homosexuals to accuse others of homosexuality. It is OK if you are gay, but just don't pretend it is everyone else who is to mask your own homosexual impulses.
meltdown
You just accused others of "projecting" homosexuality. Typical liberal hypocrite.
Why are some getbiggers obsessed with homosexuality! Are you not aware that your constant accusations of homosexuality in strangers has nothing to do with the accused and offers obvious insight into your unconscious. Just come out already and be proud about it! Stop playing the classic repressed homosexual. It is embarrassing.
You're killing me broseph, please stop. You're only confirming your desire to become getbig's biggest bitch. :Dlol at the new meltdown is accusing others of melting down. You obviously don't know me at all. I can do this all day every day. It doesn't take a genius to backtrack and see who actually melted down. Just Relax dude, not everyone is going to agree with you.
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Because you accused my of faggotry! and then followed it up with an accusation of being a pole-smoker. generally when the first two posts directed at me are about how I am a homo, I have to sincerely question the sexuality of the accuser. For someone to have homosexuality on the tip of their mind like this is a sure indication of a lurking unconscious desire. This is common in repressed homosexuals to accuse others of homosexuality. It is OK if you are gay, but just don't pretend it is everyone else who is to mask your own homosexual impulses.
I think you misunderstand. By calling you a homo, we're trying to tell you that you're a limp wristed bitch with no balls whatsoever. You truly dissapoint men accross your entire continent. Seriously, are you as much of a pussy in real life as you portray yourself to be on the internet? Serious question. :DSays the man who is too scared to go to the woods unless he has an AK. It always amazes me how the men who are afraid to face life without owning a gun attempt to emasculate the men who aren't afraid to face life without a gun. Kind of ironic!
Says the man who is too scared to go to the woods unless he has an AK. It always amazes me how the men who are afraid to face life without owning a gun attempt to emasculate the men who aren't afraid to face life without a gun. Kind of ironic!
I suppose you are among those "in the know" ::)You supposed correctly, and my post count is low, unlike your main account, which you are afraid to post with so you use this boring gimmick :-\
Your post count on this website is higher than mine, so drop the "superiority" act, dingleberry.
You supposed correctly, and my post count is low, unlike your main account, which you are afraid to post with so you use this boring gimmick :-\
ps: I do think your username is funny, sadly it doesnt go with your posting.
Everyone is a "gimmick" except for you, "Metabolic" ::)
haha! Metabolic the Brazilian lives in a country where innocent law abiding people are restricted from owning guns by their government, while they lead the world in gun related homicide.
:-X
Was there supposed to be a funny part to that post?
These milqeutoast bitches who willingly relinquish their rights to protect themselves deserve whatever happens to them.
REALLY, these gun laws are complete bullshit.If Asstralia is so gun free and peaceful why does that cop carry a gun ???
Alcohol kills far more people than guns, and it is not a "necessary" part of society, so why don't the cowards ban that?
Here in Aus we just has some drunk woman drive her car into a house and kill a baby.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/15949747/baby-dies-after-car-crashes-into-house/
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If Asstralia is so gun free and peaceful why does that cop carry a gun ???
If Asstralia is so gun free and peaceful why does that cop carry a gun ???To shoot gun nutters!
It is humorous, no sad, that those that fear guns, or dogs, willingly get in a vehicle and drive around oblivious to the fact that their chances of dying increase exponentially compared to a gun yet there is very little to no outcry to increase the requirement/training/background checks to get a drivers license/purchase a vehicleUnlike guns and dogs, cars and other transport vehicles offer the community as a whole a benefit, guns and dogs are just a selfish indulgence. Also, their is constant revision of existing laws and licenses and attempts to make cars in general safer. Nobody complains that all new cars come with air-bags, unlike Gun owners who baulk at any attempt to improve the homicide rate linked to gun ownership.
Unlike guns and dogs, cars and other transport vehicles offer the community as a whole a benefit, guns and dogs are just a selfish indulgence. Also, their is constant revision of existing laws and licenses and attempts to make cars in general safer. Nobody complains that all new cars come with air-bags, unlike Gun owners who baulk at any attempt to improve the homicide rate linked to gun ownership.
The world according to ekul. Anyway I WAS NOT talking about making cars safer but rather the PEOPLE who qualify and drive them. Nice try to divert the subjectI mentioned that, over the years they have made it increasingly harder to obtain these things, now days their are all types of hoops you have to jump through. In my fathers day, he had a policemen tell him to get in the car, drive hundred yards down the road and then drive back again. That was it, if you seemed OK enough doing that, you got your licence. Not so thee days, I have 5 licences, and all required study and pretty reasonable practical tests that demonstrated your ability.
It is humorous, no sad, that those that fear guns, or dogs, willingly get in a vehicle and drive around oblivious to the fact that their chances of dying increase exponentially compared to a gun yet there is very little to no outcry to increase the requirement/training/background checks to get a drivers license/purchase a vehicle
Are you so short minded that you are oblivious to the fact that cars help keep society going and guns ARE OF PRACTICALLY NO USE? And yes, there should be strict regulations for driving licenses, or do you not agree with that either?
With these sort of arguments....
ps: look into the concept of necessary risks
Alpers has been taking recommendations to the US government as it investigates ways to reduce gun violence there.
They also kill more people than guns do, this is all about saving lives right? Or no, is it about protecting some from their respective bogeymenTechnically, currently overall gun deaths when factoring suicide and accidental gun deaths are about the same as car related fatalities. In 2011 their were 32,163 total gun deaths and 32,367 car related fatalities. When you consider the operating time of cars as opposed to guns, Guns are far more dangerous. Essentially if everybody used guns as often as cars, their would be much more accidental deaths recorded.
Technically, currently overall gun deaths when factoring suicide and accidental gun deaths are about the same as car related fatalities. In 2011 their were 32,163 total gun deaths and 32,367 car related fatalities. When you consider the operating time of cars as opposed to guns, Guns are far more dangerous. Essentially if everybody used guns as often as cars, their would be much more accidental deaths recorded.
Are you so short minded that you are oblivious to the fact that cars help keep society going and guns ARE OF PRACTICALLY NO USE? And yes, there should be strict regulations for driving licenses, or do you not agree with that either?
With these sort of arguments....
ps: look into the concept of necessary risks
Bodybuilding is of practically no use, make that absolutely no use, to society. Alcohol is of no use to society save some industrial and medical apps.
Cars are not needed, you can make do with public transit
Bodybuilding is of practically no use, make that absolutely no use, to society. Alcohol is of no use to society save some industrial and medical apps.It's more than just cars, the main benefit is the ease of transporting goods. The food on the supermarket shelves just didn't magically appear there. The machines and the medicine in the hospital just didn't magically arrive there. Without truck, trains, planes and ships, the whole system would just fall apart. The social benefit of this system is undeniable. And, while body-building is of no purpose, it isn't linked to tens of thousands of deaths and injuries each year, unlike Guns.
Cars are not needed, you can make do with public transit
Yes!! Ban cars!! We should rely on the government to provide specially licensed drivers that could be in charge of driving around and picking up people to and from work/grocery stores/relatives...think of the lives saved and think of the savings on the pollution!!!!Agreed, That wouldn't bother me one bit! Man is an adaptable creature, he will find a way to stay fed, clothed and sheltered.
Ban cars!!! They are not a right, they are a privilege!! And we have abused them too long!!!
Sounds like bullshit excuses come flying when it comes to taking away something certain people want.So are you saying that taking away what people want is not OK. What if WHAT people WANT is too take away what other people WANT?
So are you saying that taking away what people want is not OK. What if WHAT people WANT is too take away what other people WANT?People like YOU already WANT to take away the guns I WANT.
People like YOU already WANT to take away the guns I WANT.
Fat chance! Some of us won't roll over and let our government rape us like Asstralians did. Oh wait, the Asstralian constitution didn't include the right to bear arms? Hahaa!! No wonder it was so easy for your government to fuck you!! Guess that's what happens when a bunch of criminal convicts start their own country, they're not smart enough to include certain inalienable rights. :)
Is it true Ekook hates both guns and dogs? What sort of man hates guns and dogs?
Is it true Ekook hates both guns and dogs? What sort of man hates guns and dogs?I don't hate either, In general, I would say I love dogs, but certain breeds of dog have no place in society, it's funny that you guys think I hate dogs, I actually have a tattoo of a Pitbull on my shoulder that I had done when I was 18 and have owned several dogs, including a Pitbull. I still interact with dogs, most of my family has them, the gym I go to has a dog there, my interactions with dogs are no different after the attack as they were before the attack. As for guns, I am indifferent towards them, they generate little to no emotion within me.
I don't hate either, In general, I would say I love dogs, but certain breeds of dog have no place in society, it's funny that you guys think I hate dogs, I actually have a tattoo of a Pitbull on my shoulder that I had done when I was 18 and have owned several dogs, including a Pitbull. I still interact with dogs, most of my family has them, the gym I go to has a dog there, my interactions with dogs are no different after the attack as they were before the attack. As for guns, I am indifferent towards them, they generate little to no emotion within me.Haha, bullshit.
Haha, bullshit.Man, if I had a problem with dogs or guns, I would admit it, that is all part of my philosophy of being as honest as possible. I a not afraid to admit to the things that scare me. I am scared of dying from a long drawn out terminal illness that involves intractable pain like my grandmother, I am not particularly fond of snakes, spiders don't bother me, and speaking in public doesn't arouse some terrible anxiety within me. I don't feel comfortable in overly large crowds, like say crowds of 80,000 people and the thought of being killed by a shark, lion or wolf is pretty terrifying to me. But as for domestic dogs, they don't bother me, I am wary around certain dogs, but this isn't necessarily fear, it's just an acknowledgement that certain dogs pose a greater risk than others. And guns in and of themselves aren't scary at all, on the other hand if someone pointed one at me and threatened me with one, I would feel fear, but no different than if they held a large knife, axe, baseball bat or whatever weapon at me. I am not afraid to admit that I feel fear when I do, a lot of my fears are pretty common.
Man, if I had a problem with dogs or guns, I would admit it, that is all part of my philosophy of being as honest as possible. I a not afraid to admit to the things that scare me. I am scared of dying from a long drawn out terminal illness that involves intractable pain like my grandmother, I am not particularly fond of snakes, spiders don't bother me, and speaking in public doesn't arouse some terrible anxiety within me. I don't feel comfortable in overly large crowds, like say crowds of 80,000 people and the thought of being killed by a shark, lion or wolf is pretty terrifying to me. But as for domestic dogs, they don't bother me, I am wary around certain dogs, but this isn't necessarily fear, it's just an acknowledgement that certain dogs pose a greater risk than others. And guns in and of themselves aren't scary at all, on the other hand if someone pointed one at me and threatened me with one, I would feel fear, but no different than if they held a large knife, axe, baseball bat or whatever weapon at me. I am not afraid to admit that I feel fear when I do, a lot of my fears are pretty common.You emasculate yourself, numbnuts.
The simple fact is, you guys get butthurt by what I say and attempt to emasculate me or insult me, you guys are not very good at it by the way, but it does provide plenty of lols. The guys who have some effect on me are those that present well though out arguments that actually make me think deeply about my own beliefs and opinions. Although it is jarring to be unsettled in such a way, it helps me develop my character. Base insults are common and meaningless.
You emasculate yourself, numbnuts.I think the dogs did that. :D
You emasculate yourself, numbnuts.
I think the dogs did that. :D
What do you do for a living ekul? Or are you unemployed? Do you have a university level education? Did you finish high school? Or are you just a moron with a tax payer funded internet connection and keyboard?
I used to live in St Kilda, and I could have gotten a gun at 3 am in the morning if I wanted. Could I get a mobile phone at 3am? And no I have no criminal record, have a university degree and a job.
Utter bullshit. You try that mate and the cops would be on you like a rash.
Only the army needs AK47s or M16s, the rest of us can do fine with bolt action 5 round centerfires.
I'm not really sure where this discussion has headed - but I can tell you guns are pretty irrelevant to most people in Australia. I know one single person who has guns (via legit license). I do not feel the need to possess one. I am not afraid of people with guns at all because largely, gun violence is rare and generally between rival criminals. However, if I were in the US, I would probably own one. Those news reports stink of FUD that isn't really represented in how the average Australian feels. Nobody is afraid, here. In fact, currently, the biggest evil that persists in Australia media is the frequent occurrence of piece of shit dickwads king hitting random people, who end up hitting their head as they fall and consequently die. Seriously, that's our biggest problem. Would that even make local news in your country? It's a national news headline every time it happens here :)Solid post. Agree with everything, especially the "shit happens" part. People are going to die, that'd life, attempting to change an entire culture to try and stop what amounts to a tiny percentage of people is, imho, fucking retarded.
I did not bother reading any pages of this thread but I don't really think that stuff has any parallel to the US. Forget banning guns - it is ingrained in the culture and it is true that a lot of you get extremely butthurt at the idea of not having guns (which is perfectly understandable - given there's so many in your country and you grew up with them being something you were free to own).
In my opinion, those of you who want to keep your guns have to admit one thing - you have to admit that shit will happen and some kids are going to get shot up in a school from time to time. You have to accept that - because your country has no mechanism or money to police every single gun owner in the country, to ensure 1. they are sane and 2. they are responsible and store their guns correctly. It's a fool's errand. Too many people. As there are so many stupid people in your country, the various organisations under threat, simply find things like video games ::) to blame, to take the focus of the real issue - which is that there is no true solution.
In a word, there's fuck all can be done in the US. Live with it. If a school has a guard, it might be a cinema. If a cinema gets a guard, it'll be a random street. etc etc. This is just a whole lot of noise that ends with nothing achieved.
AS a culture, Australians will bend over whenever the govt tells them too. It disgusts me. And I see you Americans are becoming JUST THE SAME.
They will try to jail us for defending ourselves with force (ANY FORCE, not just guns). It is really pathetic over here and if you are being victimized you are generally without help (except your own - which the police and govt will tell you you cannot use).
Is there any one straight on this sight other than Chaos, Falcon, Parker, Dj181, sherif, Bruce etc..to hell with a bunch of gay stuff.Hey now...
Bad Boy Daza you fucking idiot. I used to live in Australia. Shut your dumb strap you have no idea WTF you're talking about. It's extremely tough to get a gun in Australia. I don't give a fuck what article you're quoting. Get the fuck outta here and shut your mouth if you're dumb and clueless.
Try to take away E-Kul's "inablienable right" to suck the black penoris and he'll put up a fight.
Last year in Sydney alone there were more than 100 shootings and at least 15 so far this year.
Bad Boy Daza you fucking idiot. I used to live in Australia. Shut your dumb strap you have no idea WTF you're talking about. It's extremely tough to get a gun in Australia. I don't give a fuck what article you're quoting. Get the fuck outta here and shut your mouth if you're dumb and clueless.
Utter bullshit. You try that mate and the cops would be on you like a rash.
Only the army needs AK47s or M16s, the rest of us can do fine with bolt action 5 round centerfires.
AK47 is a shit , very often backfire.
Is English your first language? WTF is a backfiring AK47? ???A rapid fire machine gun, but a piece of shit as said earlier.
A rapid fire machine gun, but a piece of shit as said earlier.
Your statements are very uneducated, as are T. Knight's. HTH. :DSomewhat.
Your statements are very uneducated, as are T. Knight's. HTH. :D
"Thank's" 4 compliment, no reason 4 miles of text every ex pro soldier knows that.
If U want to lost 1/2 of your head ?, go ahead and try Kalashnikov (& good luck).
Think logically, everything so cheap like AK47 sucks.
Your statements are very uneducated, as are T. Knight's. HTH. :DThey are planned to keep you off guard.
I've never seen a parts diagram but I've heard that the AK was of better design than the M16 since it had fewer moving parts and didn't have to be kept nearly as clean as its American counterpart. Is this a myth?
Why would it explode? Did AKs use a lesser grade of steel which would fatigue or fail at temperature? Were machining tolerances slapdash? Or is it a design issue?
It's the first time I've heard that an AK is a crap gun. Would like to know why.
I'd like to own an AK47 :'(Would that make you feel better about your poorly defined masculinity and small cock? Just asking
Would that make you feel better about your poorly defined masculinity and small cock? Just asking
Would that make you feel better about your poorly defined masculinity and small cock? Just asking
I'd like to spray your wife with my rapid cock fire. And then you could lick it off her face.
I'd like to spray your wife with my rapid cock fire. And then you could lick it off her face.I'm sorry, I thought it was just a small Weiner, I didn't realise you were a premature ejaculator, my bad! I think you might find my girlfriends reaction to your premature load a bit much for your fragile ego to take, you might be better off just getting that AK47.
I think every REAL MAN should have an AK 47.
your brain in inverse proportion to your cock ?
I'd like to own an AK47 :'(I can send you one, in pieces, you'll have to assemble it yourself.
I'm just doing a bit of E-Kul style trolling. And you are biting - maybe you wanna bite some cock?na, you probably dont have the bullets
I can send you one, in pieces, you'll have to assemble it yourself.
Banning drugs has worked real fucking well hasn't it scooter. Same principle in action with guns, or any other thing people want
Not even remotely the same thing. People are addicted to drugs & alcohol and will go to any length to get them. Last time I checked, you can't get addicted to guns...For starters, you can get addicted to most anything, and are you fucking serious, a large percentage of America is completely addicted to Guns. To test if somebody is addicted to anything, see what happens when you take away the source of their addiction, the bigger the meltdown, the greater the addiction. Also, addiction could be defined as the state of being enslaved, American Culture is most definitely been enslaved by the GUN, and the most overt sign of addiction is the continued use of something even though it becomes increasingly detrimental. Score another winner there. I have actually dealt with many addicts in my younger life, and I can personally say, the biggest addicts I have ever met are those addicted to Guns, from their denial about their addiction, their obsession with talking about their drug of choice (Guns), their fear of losing their drug of choice, to always looking for a greater high from their drug of choice (more and bigger guns), the list of addict behaviours is endless. And like most drug addicts, the Gun Nuts are sadly just as pathetic.
Not even remotely the same thing. People are addicted to drugs & alcohol and will go to any length to get them. Last time I checked, you can't get addicted to guns...People want to get high, they find illegal drugs.
People want to get high, they find illegal drugs.
People want a machine gun, they find a machine gun.
Not that difficult to comprehend.
For starters, you can get addicted to most anything, and are you fucking serious, a large percentage of America is completely addicted to Guns. To test if somebody is addicted to anything, see what happens when you take away the source of their addiction, the bigger the meltdown, the greater the addiction. Also, addiction could be defined as the state of being enslaved, American Culture is most definitely been enslaved by the GUN, and the most overt sign of addiction is the continued use of something even though it becomes increasingly detrimental. Score another winner there. I have actually dealt with many addicts in my younger life, and I can personally say, the biggest addicts I have ever met are those addicted to Guns, from their denial about their addiction, their obsession with talking about their drug of choice (Guns), their fear of losing their drug of choice, to always looking for a greater high from their drug of choice (more and bigger guns), the list of addict behaviours is endless. And like most drug addicts, the Gun Nuts are sadly just as pathetic.
Please refer me to any data that shows that one can develop a physical addiction to owning a gun. People might get mad if you take their precious guns away, but they're not going to go through physical withdrawals and have to go to guns anonymous in order to cope...lol.I'm assuming he's referring to psychological addiction, which is what 95% of drugs cause. Very few rec drugs are physically addictive, so I'm going to go ahead and give you the benefit of the doubt that you were just confused and that you weren't really talking out of your ass again.
Please refer me to any data that shows that one can develop a physical addiction to owning a gun. People might get mad if you take their precious guns away, but they're not going to go through physical withdrawals and have to go to guns anonymous in order to cope...lol.Like shockwave pointed out, the majority of addiction is psychological, but I believe for those truly addicted to their guns, like say Alex Jones, they most certainly would experience physical withdrawals as a result of panic, anxiety, fear etc. The effect gun ownership has on their psyche is powerful, and the removal of the gun would send their minds into a spiralling downfall and yes, I don't think they would cope. People like Alex openly admit it, his guns are a psychological protective measure to deal with any unforeseen threats, they give him a sense of security that he would be unable to establish without the guns. His guns, just like drugs, are a crutch, they keep anxiety at bay and they produce feelings of safety and security.
Like shockwave pointed out, the majority of addiction is psychological, but I believe for those truly addicted to their guns, like say Alex Jones, they most certainly would experience physical withdrawals as a result of panic, anxiety, fear etc. The effect gun ownership has on their psyche is powerful, and the removal of the gun would send their minds into a spiralling downfall and yes, I don't think they would cope. People like Alex openly admit it, his guns are a psychological protective measure to deal with any unforeseen threats, they give him a sense of security that he would be unable to establish without the guns. His guns, just like drugs, are a crutch, they keep anxiety at bay and they produce feelings of safety and security.
The average Gun Nutters fear of withdrawal is all too evident in his reaction to changes to the 2nd amendment and stricter gun controls. Can you imagine how he would react if someone were to actually take his guns away! Try taking drugs away from an addict in active addiction, see how that works for you, then try taking the guns away from a Gun Nutter, you will get the same response both times, they will deny they have a problem and attempt to kill you if you continue to remove their drug of choice. For some people Guns are an addiction, evident by the way they relate to them and their place in their lives.
I'm all for rights too, and if statistically I am safer in a society that has less guns and strict gun control, I want that right enforced. What about the right for 5 year old children to not be murdered at school. And nobody wants to prevent responsible citizens from gun ownership for hunting or farming or the like. But one, they don't need military assault weapons and second, they need to be really hard to get, even for responsible individuals, and their need to be checks and balances to keep gun owners accountable. Handing guns out like candy is a recipe for disaster.
I really don't think you know anything about guns, American culture, and gun ownership. You've painted this picture of Americans and guns, and the bottom line is, you're completely wrong. You're so far from the truth it's embarrassing. Gun owners who use the second amendment as part of their argument are not doing it because of the fear of losing their guns. They're doing it, because they're standing up for their rights. Like I said before, if you ever make it to the US, give me a shout. I'll take you out bird or deer hunting, or target shooting. I really think it would do you some good. Kind of a therapeutic release.
What about the right for 5 year old children to not be murdered at school. And nobody wants to prevent responsible citizens from gun ownership for hunting or farming or the like. But one, they don't need military assault weapons and second, they need to be really hard to get, even for responsible individuals, and their need to be checks and balances to keep gun owners accountable. Handing guns out like candy is a recipe for disaster.
nobody is handing guns out like candy. your grasp of what it is like in the usa is pathetic300 million guns in a country with 300 million people, sorry, I meant handing them out more than candy!
Like shockwave pointed out, the majority of addiction is psychological, but I believe for those truly addicted to their guns, like say Alex Jones, they most certainly would experience physical withdrawals as a result of panic, anxiety, fear etc. The effect gun ownership has on their psyche is powerful, and the removal of the gun would send their minds into a spiralling downfall and yes, I don't think they would cope. People like Alex openly admit it, his guns are a psychological protective measure to deal with any unforeseen threats, they give him a sense of security that he would be unable to establish without the guns. His guns, just like drugs, are a crutch, they keep anxiety at bay and they produce feelings of safety and security.
The average Gun Nutters fear of withdrawal is all too evident in his reaction to changes to the 2nd amendment and stricter gun controls. Can you imagine how he would react if someone were to actually take his guns away! Try taking drugs away from an addict in active addiction, see how that works for you, then try taking the guns away from a Gun Nutter, you will get the same response both times, they will deny they have a problem and attempt to kill you if you continue to remove their drug of choice. For some people Guns are an addiction, evident by the way they relate to them and their place in their lives.
I'm assuming he's referring to psychological addiction, which is what 95% of drugs cause. Very few rec drugs are physically addictive, so I'm going to go ahead and give you the benefit of the doubt that you were just confused and that you weren't really talking out of your ass again.
Just how retarded do you think I am ???Fully Retarded. :o ;D