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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Religious Debates & Threads => Topic started by: Marty Champions on October 12, 2017, 08:52:05 PM
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he wants to seek his true followers. if the world was ruled by good no one would appreciate him, no one would put in any real effort , the world would be absurdly lazy, what would u strive for if its already good? god would be forgotten
god wants u to seek him , he wants u to get it urself , he only wants awesome followers, why wouldnt he? why would he want a sheep follower who isnt awesome ?god wants u to seek him ,not in the religious sheep sense but within your mind , how u live ect....things must be bad on earth for u or u will never search for anything, the creation would fail if there is no tension or struggle just like your muscles would waste in short time
true followers are who praise and thank him for all that life is good and bad, thats it
only few will show abilities as true followers obviously, look around , see many potential true followers hmm yes maybe mm no
so whats the reward for us, we put up with as much as we can take but seemingly our capacity grows for some of us to deal with it...
... the reward is easier explained to those realizing already their increased capacity to deal, god will make our lifes even more awesome, that is the reward. if youve got this feeling you sometimes sense it will get better slowly..but more naturally u may sense it will get worse too
god gets off on u making it through an evil world despiite all the pain and ssuffering ,u stiill choose to give a shit about exiisting in this created space for you, .. he makes it as tuff as you have figured out how to deal. as u progress througgh higher levels of testing he slips in ever increasing awards, i truly know this is whats happening
god is happy about the ones getting closer...im guessing hes always willing to give second chances to those not seeking higher ground
for god whats meaningful to him, its all about sweet victory through a hard fought battle
god obviously isnt hitting the cheat code getting zillions of true followers, hes probably done that on some galaxy b4
he needs this evil world to produce a real feeling of self worth
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You make some interesting arguments. I only take exception to your final one--God doesn't need us to stoke His ego. This earth and our existence isn't about Him--it's all about us, His children, and our development and progression. He created the earth to be inhabited (Isaiah 45:18). But other than that I like how you think!
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he wants to seek his true followers. if the world was ruled by good no one would appreciate him, no one would put in any real effort , the world would be absurdly lazy, what would u strive for if its already good? god would be forgotten
god wants u to seek him , he wants u to get it urself , he only wants awesome followers, why wouldnt he? why would he want a sheep follower who isnt awesome ?god wants u to seek him ,not in the religious sheep sense but within your mind , how u live ect....things must be bad on earth for u or u will never search for anything, the creation would fail if there is no tension or struggle just like your muscles would waste in short time
true followers are who praise and thank him for all that life is good and bad, thats it
only few will show abilities as true followers obviously, look around , see many potential true followers hmm yes maybe mm no
so whats the reward for us, we put up with as much as we can take but seemingly our capacity grows for some of us to deal with it...
... the reward is easier explained to those realizing already their increased capacity to deal, god will make our lifes even more awesome, that is the reward. if youve got this feeling you sometimes sense it will get better slowly..but more naturally u may sense it will get worse too
god gets off on u making it through an evil world despiite all the pain and ssuffering ,u stiill choose to give a shit about exiisting in this created space for you, .. he makes it as tuff as you have figured out how to deal. as u progress througgh higher levels of testing he slips in ever increasing awards, i truly know this is whats happening
god is happy about the ones getting closer...im guessing hes always willing to give second chances to those not seeking higher ground
for god whats meaningful to him, its all about sweet victory through a hard fought battle
god obviously isnt hitting the cheat code getting zillions of true followers, hes probably done that on some galaxy b4
he needs this evil world to produce a real feeling of self worth
No one can help or save brains that spew this crap.
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No one can help or save brains that spew this crap.
Bingo Vincenzo!
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No one can help or save brains that spew this crap.
haha i hear your hypertrophy theory manual is selling strong fagget
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No one can help or save brains that spew this crap.
No one can save diabetes-ridden neeguls with teh aids
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tldr
but this world is ruled by satan
1. allah is satan, it says so in the koran, also says so in sumerian tablets, and muzzies make up 25% of the world's population and are fastest growing
2. in secular west we're worship things that are plain evil like transgenderism, gays, etc etc
3. illuminati, who are simply the most powerful bankers (and bank owners) in the world, worship lucifer. and banks control all politicans and the rest of the developed world
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Christ is Lord!
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haha i hear your hypertrophy theory manual is selling strong fagget
so i guess you aint a fan of basshole 😂
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so i guess you aint a fan of basshole 😂
DJ, I have genuinely tried to help you and you come up with nothing better than insulting my name. What a foolish and unpleasant person you are. NO ONE can help you because you reject them then attack them.
You are in the right place if you need to find people to abuse. You join the legions of sadistic people here with nothing better to do. Since everyone is doing it you feel normal....but we know that isn't true.
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DJ, I have genuinely tried to help you and you come up with nothing better than insulting my name. What a foolish and unpleasant person you are. NO ONE can help you because you reject them then attack them.
You are in the right place if you need to find people to abuse. You join the legions of sadistic people here with nothing better to do. Since everyone is doing it you feel normal....but we know that isn't true.
my god you are sensitive
p.s. who the hell wants to be "normal"?
pretty dull if you ask me
think outside the box like i do
i dont follow, I...... LEAD
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I want dj181 to break Goodrums Kielbasa + spine like a german shepherd.
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well that cleared up a lot of questions about this whole "existence" thing :D
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well that cleared up a lot of questions about this whole "existence" thing :D
All thanks to the Falcon.
We are blessed to have him as our guide.
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God??!! This is the 21st Century, we know there are no gods now surely ... ::)
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Go take a walk in a children's hospital and see the pain and suffering your God is inflicting on poor young souls, from cancer to organ failure and death.
Only explanation is that your God is neither omnipotent nor omnipresent.
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Go take a walk in a children's hospital and see the pain and suffering your God is inflicting on poor young souls, from cancer to organ failure and death.
Only explanation is that your God is neither omnipotent nor omnipresent.
Pretty sure Coach is gonna kneel reading this post.
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fuck's sake you guys are retards, THIS WORLD IS OWNED BY SATAN, it might even be *the* hell spoken of in scripture.
which means if you die and go to hell you're reborn here. and it cycles over and over again until you're lucky enough to get out
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fuck's sake you guys are retards, THIS WORLD IS OWNED BY SATAN, it might even be *the* hell spoken of in scripture.
which means if you die and go to hell you're reborn here. and it cycles over and over again until you're lucky enough to get out
And you know all this with such confidence how?
How are you anyway :D
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he wants to seek his true followers. if the world was ruled by good no one would appreciate him, no one would put in any real effort , the world would be absurdly lazy, what would u strive for if its already good? god would be forgotten
Heaven must get pretty boring.
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And you know all this with such confidence how?
How are you anyway :D
the sumerian tablets, oldest writings of the oldest civilization, name ALLAH outright as satan
allah and alloot are two entities in one body, male and female, who make up the devil
so satan is a transvestite
also if you look at koran, then look at bible, here's what you get:
koran, first line: allah is lord of the world
bible: satan is lord of the worlds
koran: alla is the great deceiver
bible: satan is the BEST deceiver
...there's tons more if you wnat to look it up
so that covers 25% of the world's population. islam is that much, and fastest growing
then you look at the secular west, where we celebrate and allow things like transgenderism. pure evil. and gay marriage. ruled by satan
last you have the illuminati who are just the bankers of the world, and who control the politicians. don't believe me? why did city group email obama and give a list of people they want in his cabinet, and a few months later when his cabinet was announced, ALL WERE FROM THE LIST?
(email is in wikileaks)
anyway illuminati straight up worship lucifer, so with that you've got the remainder of the developed world (1) not part of islam (2) not part of secular west
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the sumerian tablets, oldest writings of the oldest civilization, name ALLAH outright as satan
allah and alloot are two entities in one body, male and female, who make up the devil
so satan is a transvestite
also if you look at koran, then look at bible, here's what you get:
koran, first line: allah is lord of the world
bible: satan is lord of the worlds
koran: alla is the great deceiver
bible: satan is the BEST deceiver
...there's tons more if you wnat to look it up
so that covers 25% of the world's population. islam is that much, and fastest growing
then you look at the secular west, where we celebrate and allow things like transgenderism. pure evil. and gay marriage. ruled by satan
last you have the illuminati who are just the bankers of the world, and who control the politicians. don't believe me? why did city group email obama and give a list of people they want in his cabinet, and a few months later when his cabinet was announced, ALL WERE FROM THE LIST?
(email is in wikileaks)
anyway illuminati straight up worship lucifer, so with that you've got the remainder of the developed world (1) not part of islam (2) not part of secular west
So no evidence then, just conclusions based on what's written in two fiction books.
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So no evidence then, just conclusions based on what's written in two fiction books.
you sound pretty lame here, and very dumb
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you sound pretty lame here, and very dumb
Dumb because I don't believe a word on what is written in the Koran and the Bible?
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Go take a walk in a children's hospital and see the pain and suffering your God is inflicting on poor young souls, from cancer to organ failure and death.
Only explanation is that your God is neither omnipotent nor omnipresent.
The Falconite God is testing us. (All the suffering in the world)
When the time comes, only those that prevail that are dedicated enough will reach enlightenment.
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fuck's sake you guys are retards, THIS WORLD IS OWNED BY SATAN, it might even be *the* hell spoken of in scripture.
which means if you die and go to hell you're reborn here. and it cycles over and over again until you're lucky enough to get out
world is ruled by rich power crazed humans who will eventually destroy it. That's how stupid we are as an animal
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The Falconite God is testing us. (All the suffering in the world)
When the time comes, only those that prevail that are dedicated enough will reach enlightenment.
I struggle to comprehend faith. My brain is wired to assess and absorb data not just take conclusions out of thin air and run with them.
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I struggle to comprehend faith. My brain is wired to assess and absorb data not just take conclusions out of thin air and run with them.
Everything is magic until Science can/finds a way to explain it.
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Everything is magic until Science can/finds a way to explain it.
Exactly - which is why we now know there are no gods
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Everything is magic until Science can/finds a way to explain it.
The Golden Bough.
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Exactly - which is why we now know there are no gods
No, Science haven't found a way to explain Falcon yet.
Maybe in 30 years or so.
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Go take a walk in a children's hospital and see the pain and suffering your God is inflicting on poor young souls, from cancer to organ failure and death.
Only explanation is that your God is neither omnipotent nor omnipresent.
more credence to my point.. god needs the world evil in order to bring out only the most awesome followers...its more natty to god this way thus sweeter the victory
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Seeing children in pain is God's ultimate test.
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more credence to my point.. god needs the world evil in order to bring out only the most awesome followers...its more natty to god this way thus sweeter the victory
Why would you follow and worship a deity who punishes your innocent child and put them through unimaginable suffering?
Why would you follow and worship a deity that will sit and watch a Chinese boil a dog and skin it alive? is this amount of suffering necessary for someone supposedly kind and powerful?
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Seeing children in pain is God's ultimate test.
He is one sick mother fucker if you ask me.
Not worth my time, to worship and follow.
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He is one sick mother fucker if you ask me.
Not worth my time, to worship and follow.
Yeah, you're right, i'm switching religion to pastafarianism instead.
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Why would you follow and worship a deity who punishes your innocent child and put them through unimaginable suffering?
Why would you follow and worship a deity that will sit and watch a Chinese boil a dog and skin it alive? is this amount of suffering necessary for someone supposedly kind and powerful?
you have the choice to dismiss or to follow thats it bro, unless i have missed some ting
analogy of chinese boiling a dog? huh people would never cook animals bro ::)
the option to follow is more promising , however there will be more longing for greener pastures, its seemingly more time involved too.more mork , a steroid cheater couldnt hack it he would be too impatient
im willing to go through the trenches, im not going to be a saint , i will fuck whores , but i wont kill an animal u get my point ect ...it feels more right to try to praise and follow than to be a whiney pussy and say god isnt real because the world is evil
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No one can help or save brains that spew this crap.
Don't be closed minded we didn't evolve from monkeys some believe we were planted here by aliens you cannot truly think we are alone in this vast universe or that there isn't something greater than ourselves that has pushed man kind along...
ive never looked down on anyone who doesn't believe its rude to do so for me a person with no faith is just someone who hasn't had a reason to believe everyone has a right to there own opinion.
Im a Christian and I go to a Lutheran church im a worship leader as well and I have my own beliefs its ok to wonder and questioned our place in this world its natural to be curious.
As far as who rules the earth[ WE DO] man and women are by nature good and evil if you will but its up to us to make the choice of which path we follow. if you are saved or just a church goer we are all sinners no one is without sin but its knowing your mistakes and trying to better yourself.....
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vince has a suprisingly nasty attitude at his age thus genuinly entertaining when he speaks
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vince has a suprisingly nasty attitude at his age thus genuinly entertaining when he speaks
He has to be since he has a face made for radio.
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Go take a walk in a children's hospital and see the pain and suffering your God is inflicting on poor young souls, from cancer to organ failure and death.
Only explanation is that your God is neither omnipotent nor omnipresent.
If god exists, he/it is certainly malevolent because he/it likes to torture his human creations.
Young, innocent children getting cancer is a great example. No Jesus freak has ever been able to explain this to me.
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If god exists, he/it is certainly malevolent because and likes to torture his human creations.
Young, innocent children getting cancer is a great example. No Jesus freak has ever been able to explain this to me.
child cancer is still a test, its ugly , but a test nonetheless...why god whyyy? wel because a in a perfect world no one needs god aanymore
god gets lonley bored without us???yes obviously wouldnt /shouldnt have made us if he was perfect
so god isnt perfect? correct
but god is superior right? absolutley
im not saying god hasnt made a non evil perfect world before.... im exxplaining the reasoning behind our evil world
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If god exists, he/it is certainly malevolent because and likes to torture his human creations.
Young, innocent children getting cancer is a great example. No Jesus freak has ever been able to explain this to me.
I can tell you ive struggled with that for years my wife had cancer she was lucky and beat it also a little girl who she was a nanny for years ago passed away at 4 years old....and it almost broke me mentally we were very close with them and we shared the same birthday..
anyway its like saying if a man is drunk and gets in his car and kills a family and there 3 kids in accident why couldn't god just give the drunk guy a heart attack before he got into his car. why cant god strike down every evil person before they can do any harm to anyone. because sickness is part of our dna its always been there but god has a place for those who don't make it that is a promise and the only promise he has.. children are the only humans who are innocent...
again I still struggle with it
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you have the choice to dismiss or to follow thats it bro, unless i have missed some ting
analogy of chinese boiling a dog? huh people would never cook animals bro ::)
the option to follow is more promising , however there will be more longing for greener pastures, its seemingly more time involved too.more mork , a steroid cheater couldnt hack it he would be too impatient
im willing to go through the trenches, im not going to be a saint , i will fuck whores , but i wont kill an animal u get my point ect ...it feels more right to try to praise and follow than to be a whiney pussy and say god isnt real because the world is evil
I used to think that way, but religion and religious beliefs are holding us back, a prime example of this is Islam and Muslims.
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I can tell you ive struggled with that for years my wife had cancer she was lucky and beat it also a little girl who she was a nanny for years ago passed away at 4 years old....and it almost broke me mentally we were very close with them and we shared the same birthday..
anyway its like saying if a man is drunk and gets in his car and kills a family and there 3 kids in accident why couldn't god just give the drunk guy a heart attack before he got into his car. why cant god strike down every evil person before they can do any harm to anyone. because sickness is part of our dna its always been there but god has a place for those who don't make it that is a promise and the only promise he has.. children are the only humans who are innocent...
again I still struggle with it
god needs the evil to produce only the best most awesome followers
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I can tell you ive struggled with that for years my wife had cancer she was lucky and beat it also a little girl who she was a nanny for years ago passed away at 4 years old....and it almost broke me mentally we were very close with them and we shared the same birthday..
anyway its like saying if a man is drunk and gets in his car and kills a family and there 3 kids in accident why couldn't god just give the drunk guy a heart attack before he got into his car. why cant god strike down every evil person before they can do any harm to anyone. because sickness is part of our dna its always been there but god has a place for those who don't make it that is a promise and the only promise he has.. children are the only humans who are innocent...
again I still struggle with it
Glad your wife beat it... most die from the treatment.
There is a simple answer to all this...
There is no god.
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I used to think that way, but religion and religious beliefs are holding us back, a prime example of this is Islam and Muslims.
this is your opinion i agree and disagree with facets of this sentiment also , there are strong arguments on both sides though
u must pick a side, if u can argue non beleif is the beneficial option then youre gonna be just fine n dandy in your head ;D
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If god exists, he/it is certainly malevolent because he/it likes to torture his human creations.
Young, innocent children getting cancer is a great example. No Jesus freak has ever been able to explain this to me.
Maybe there were two Gods--Old Testsment Destroyer God, then New Testament God of Forgiveness and Love?
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BTW, this is a great channel. It's by a religious researcher.
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Simple minds seem to anthropomorphize , awakened minds seem to resonate with the Gnostic and/or eastern models, brilliant minds seem to see life ('God' / the Universe / the all) as a self solving mathematical expression. I miss the teddy bear comfort and naive simplicity of being a "believer" but, unfortunately - once your eyes are opened they cannot be closed again.
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Glad your wife beat it... most die from the treatment.
There is a simple answer to all this...
There is no god.
And you have every right to that opinion ,,,, just think if its not god there has to be something we are nothing more than a speck of dust in this infinit place of space there must be something more really give it some thought
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And you have every right to that opinion ,,,, just think if its not god there has to be something we are nothing more than a speck of dust in this infinit place of space there must be something more really give it some thought
In the grand scheme of things, humans are very insignificant.
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In the grand scheme of things, humans are very insignificant.
explain
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fuck's sake you guys are retards, THIS WORLD IS OWNED BY SATAN, it might even be *the* hell spoken of in scripture.
which means if you die and go to hell you're reborn here. and it cycles over and over again until you're lucky enough to get out
Yeah, but it could be worse - Satan could be a tranny ;D
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EricPDollard.com is what we should know
How is your 99-year-old grandmother doing? :)
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Poodle, please disregard my last post, you were WAAAAY ahead of me! 8)
the sumerian tablets, oldest writings of the oldest civilization, name ALLAH outright as satan
allah and alloot are two entities in one body, male and female, who make up the devil
so satan is a transvestite
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I highly doubt that this forsaken world is led by Satan.
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explain
well the earth is 4.5 billion years old
humans have been here about 200,000 years
thats .004444444%
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I can tell you ive struggled with that for years my wife had cancer she was lucky and beat it also a little girl who she was a nanny for years ago passed away at 4 years old....and it almost broke me mentally we were very close with them and we shared the same birthday..
anyway its like saying if a man is drunk and gets in his car and kills a family and there 3 kids in accident why couldn't god just give the drunk guy a heart attack before he got into his car. why cant god strike down every evil person before they can do any harm to anyone. because sickness is part of our dna its always been there but god has a place for those who don't make it that is a promise and the only promise he has.. children are the only humans who are innocent...
again I still struggle with it
You struggle with it because you let your emotions take control of your rational mindedness.
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he wants to seek his true followers. if the world was ruled by good no one would appreciate him, no one would put in any real effort , the world would be absurdly lazy, what would u strive for if its already good? god would be forgotten
god wants u to seek him , he wants u to get it urself , he only wants awesome followers, why wouldnt he? why would he want a sheep follower who isnt awesome ?god wants u to seek him ,not in the religious sheep sense but within your mind , how u live ect....things must be bad on earth for u or u will never search for anything, the creation would fail if there is no tension or struggle just like your muscles would waste in short time
true followers are who praise and thank him for all that life is good and bad, thats it
only few will show abilities as true followers obviously, look around , see many potential true followers hmm yes maybe mm no
so whats the reward for us, we put up with as much as we can take but seemingly our capacity grows for some of us to deal with it...
... the reward is easier explained to those realizing already their increased capacity to deal, god will make our lifes even more awesome, that is the reward. if youve got this feeling you sometimes sense it will get better slowly..but more naturally u may sense it will get worse too
god gets off on u making it through an evil world despiite all the pain and ssuffering ,u stiill choose to give a shit about exiisting in this created space for you, .. he makes it as tuff as you have figured out how to deal. as u progress througgh higher levels of testing he slips in ever increasing awards, i truly know this is whats happening
god is happy about the ones getting closer...im guessing hes always willing to give second chances to those not seeking higher ground
for god whats meaningful to him, its all about sweet victory through a hard fought battle
god obviously isnt hitting the cheat code getting zillions of true followers, hes probably done that on some galaxy b4
he needs this evil world to produce a real feeling of self worth
Although you said it differently than I would've I do agree with a lot of this post.
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the sumerian tablets, oldest writings of the oldest civilization, name ALLAH outright as satan
allah and alloot are two entities in one body, male and female, who make up the devil
so satan is a transvestite
also if you look at koran, then look at bible, here's what you get:
koran, first line: allah is lord of the world
bible: satan is lord of the worlds
koran: alla is the great deceiver
bible: satan is the BEST deceiver
...there's tons more if you wnat to look it up
so that covers 25% of the world's population. islam is that much, and fastest growing
then you look at the secular west, where we celebrate and allow things like transgenderism. pure evil. and gay marriage. ruled by satan
last you have the illuminati who are just the bankers of the world, and who control the politicians. don't believe me? why did city group email obama and give a list of people they want in his cabinet, and a few months later when his cabinet was announced, ALL WERE FROM THE LIST?
(email is in wikileaks)
anyway illuminati straight up worship lucifer, so with that you've got the remainder of the developed world (1) not part of islam (2) not part of secular west
As I just noted on the religion board, I am more and more persuaded with the notion that Allah is Satan (as you've put forth).
I certainly believe that Islam is demonically inspired, but Satan disguised as Allah I can see it more and more.
Now the "noble" Quran was communicated by the angel Jibreel (Gabriel) to the prophet Mohammad (pb&j).
I could absolutely buy into the idea that Satan (disguised as Jibreel) revealed himself to Mohammad and recited all surahs of the Quran to him.
The Quran is so diametrically opposed to scripture and perfectly anti-Christ that it makes sense that Jibreel was the great deceiver Satan and by extension "Allah".
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How is your 99-year-old grandmother doing? :)
she died bro
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he wants to seek his true followers. if the world was ruled by good no one would appreciate him, no one would put in any real effort , the world would be absurdly lazy, what would u strive for if its already good? god would be forgotten
god wants u to seek him , he wants u to get it urself , he only wants awesome followers, why wouldnt he? why would he want a sheep follower who isnt awesome ?god wants u to seek him ,not in the religious sheep sense but within your mind , how u live ect....things must be bad on earth for u or u will never search for anything, the creation would fail if there is no tension or struggle just like your muscles would waste in short time
true followers are who praise and thank him for all that life is good and bad, thats it
only few will show abilities as true followers obviously, look around , see many potential true followers hmm yes maybe mm no
so whats the reward for us, we put up with as much as we can take but seemingly our capacity grows for some of us to deal with it...
... the reward is easier explained to those realizing already their increased capacity to deal, god will make our lifes even more awesome, that is the reward. if youve got this feeling you sometimes sense it will get better slowly..but more naturally u may sense it will get worse too
god gets off on u making it through an evil world despiite all the pain and ssuffering ,u stiill choose to give a shit about exiisting in this created space for you, .. he makes it as tuff as you have figured out how to deal. as u progress througgh higher levels of testing he slips in ever increasing awards, i truly know this is whats happening
god is happy about the ones getting closer...im guessing hes always willing to give second chances to those not seeking higher ground
for god whats meaningful to him, its all about sweet victory through a hard fought battle
god obviously isnt hitting the cheat code getting zillions of true followers, hes probably done that on some galaxy b4
he needs this evil world to produce a real feeling of self worth
Many humans imagine God in their image, when it should be the other way around. What you describe are human emotions not those of God. God is universal intelligence.
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You're worrying about The World?! I bet most of you can't even organize your sock drawer.
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You're worrying about The World?! I bet most of you can't even organize your sock drawer.
My sock draw looks like a mess, but the socks are at least paired.
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he wants to seek his true followers. if the world was ruled by good no one would appreciate him, no one would put in any real effort , the world would be absurdly lazy, what would u strive for if its already good? god would be forgotten
god wants u to seek him , he wants u to get it urself , he only wants awesome followers, why wouldnt he? why would he want a sheep follower who isnt awesome ?god wants u to seek him ,not in the religious sheep sense but within your mind , how u live ect....things must be bad on earth for u or u will never search for anything, the creation would fail if there is no tension or struggle just like your muscles would waste in short time
true followers are who praise and thank him for all that life is good and bad, thats it
only few will show abilities as true followers obviously, look around , see many potential true followers hmm yes maybe mm no
so whats the reward for us, we put up with as much as we can take but seemingly our capacity grows for some of us to deal with it...
... the reward is easier explained to those realizing already their increased capacity to deal, god will make our lifes even more awesome, that is the reward. if youve got this feeling you sometimes sense it will get better slowly..but more naturally u may sense it will get worse too
god gets off on u making it through an evil world despiite all the pain and ssuffering ,u stiill choose to give a shit about exiisting in this created space for you, .. he makes it as tuff as you have figured out how to deal. as u progress througgh higher levels of testing he slips in ever increasing awards, i truly know this is whats happening
god is happy about the ones getting closer...im guessing hes always willing to give second chances to those not seeking higher ground
for god whats meaningful to him, its all about sweet victory through a hard fought battle
god obviously isnt hitting the cheat code getting zillions of true followers, hes probably done that on some galaxy b4
he needs this evil world to produce a real feeling of self worth
Temptation is the motivating force behind every action, whether we are fighting the temptation, nurturing it, denying it, or preventing someone else from giving in to it.
The Ringwraiths and Sauron seek it constantly. The sons of Denethor, Boromir and Faramir, both try to take it from Frodo. Even Gandalf and Galadriel, who are each drawn to the thought of the immense power it could give them.
No one is immune to its temptation, and Frodo is no exception. Though he is chosen as ring-bearer because he is the most resistant, he must constantly fight his desire for it. He is sometimes tempted to hand it over to his more powerful friends, while at other times he wants to keep it for himself.
When he finally arrives at Mount Doom, he elects to keep the ring, despite the tremendous anguish it has caused him. Though tempted by its power, he gives it up as Gollum appears for a battle - one that leads to its destruction. The ring that has possessed so many - that served to connect all the races of Middle-earth - is ultimately destroyed by its own power.
Just like what you were saying, dude.
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Many humans imagine God in their image, when it should be the other way around.
What you describe are human emotions not those of God.
God is universal intelligence.
Universal intelligence? Wait a minute - I thought that was SkyNet? ???
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My sock draw looks like a mess, but the socks are at least paired.
I'm real partic'lar bout whats on my feets. I recently discovered these and threw all the old ones away.
https://darntough.com/
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well the earth is 4.5 billion years old
humans have been here about 200,000 years
thats .004444444%
And yet look what we've done versus the balance in that figure, if true.
If it doesn't qualify as "significance" I'd like to know what does.
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religion is opium of the masses. praying to JC and his pseudo virgin mother will be waste of time and effort, however, we all feed ourselves lies in order to make sense of this shit, so praying might have beneficial factor to once mental health in the short term.
it is prisoner's dilemma kind of shit...so, no time for praying, killed or be killed, motherfucka.
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Universal intelligence? Wait a minute - I thought that was SkyNet? ???
(http://allnewspipeline.com/images/GoogleSkynet3.jpg)
Nope. SkyNet is artificial general intelligence. :)
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I'm real partic'lar bout whats on my feets. I recently discovered these and threw all the old ones away.
https://darntough.com/
Very nice. Socks have become quite the thing lately.
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These come with built-in garters.
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God gave mankind freewill.
Life is about how you exercise your free will.
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Although you said it differently than I would've I do agree with a lot of this post.
Surprised you'd say this. It was Eve that ate the apple and unleashed evil upon the world. It was never God's intentions to have any evil.
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God gave mankind freewill.
Life is about how you exercise your free will.
Does God have free will?
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God gave mankind freewill.
Life is about how you exercise your free will.
Yeah but if you don't kiss God's ass you go to hell, so free will is really bs
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anyone who says that following Christ is the easy way out does not know what the fuck they are talking about
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Yeah but if you don't kiss God's ass you go to hell, so free will is really bs
No you don't. You can follow the way of God or Not. I don't think god wants to be worshiped as most people think. IMO, 'worshiping' god is done through good thoughts, words and deeds. When you exercise free will you are exercising a godly power, as our actions resonate through the echoes of eternity.
Worshiping and praying to God is good, because it reminds you that there is something greater than your 'self'.
In truth, we actually know nothing about our existence, but we do have an intrinsic knowledge of what is good and what is bad.
You can be a Ted Bundy or a mother Teresa, or just your average person who sees and admits the error of their ways.
How you choose to exercise your free will is up to you.
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No you don't. You can follow the way of God or Not. I don't think god wants to be worshiped as most people think. IMO, 'worshiping' god is done through good thoughts, words and deeds. When you exercise free will you are exercising a godly power, as our actions resonate through the echoes of eternity.
Worshiping and praying to God is good, because it reminds you that there is something greater than your 'self'.
In truth, we actually know nothing about our existence, but we do have an intrinsic knowledge of what is good and what is bad.
You can be a Ted Bundy or a mother Teresa, or just your average person who sees and admits the error of their ways.
How you choose to exercise your free will is up to you.
Turns out, what you think about worship is entirely meaningless here. Scripture is redundantly clear: God wants his almighty ass kissed, and he wants it kissed often.
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In a hundred million years there will be no earth, no memories of humans and their various mythos and superstitions, and certainly no one to care that such a pedestrian planet and it's utterly insignificant population ever existed.
That some troglodytes left behind by evolution still cling to the mentally ill delusion of an imaginary "friend/ trunk monkey" in the sky- is completely irrelevant to intelligent conversation.
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No you don't. You can follow the way of God or Not. I don't think god wants to be worshiped as most people think. IMO, 'worshiping' god is done through good thoughts, words and deeds. When you exercise free will you are exercising a godly power, as our actions resonate through the echoes of eternity.
Worshiping and praying to God is good, because it reminds you that there is something greater than your 'self'.
In truth, we actually know nothing about our existence, but we do have an intrinsic knowledge of what is good and what is bad.
You can be a Ted Bundy or a mother Teresa, or just your average person who sees and admits the error of their ways.
How you choose to exercise your free will is up to you.
Yes, the free will to go to hell or not, nice spin.
You don't need to believe in a god to have morality. It's self evident. Both theists and agnostics have varying degrees.
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What if the concept of life after death is bull shit? What if when you die you're finished? Would there be any reason pursue a benevolent life? What if people were actually more concerned with the present as opposed to the past or the future. Be the best you can be everyday of your life and no matter what happens when you die, you'll die happy.
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What if the concept of life after death is bull shit? What if when you die you're finished? Would there be any reason pursue a benevolent life? What if people were actually more concerned with the present as opposed to the past or the future. Be the best you can be everyday of your life and no matter what happens when you die, you'll die happy.
If it was 100 % clear for everyone on earth that it was finito (no god, no heaven, no reincarnation, no nirvana etc) afterwards, it would be an interesting scenario, and a higher influx of these two groups.
1. Those that say, fuck it, no use being good anyway, since there is no heaven and nobody to forgive me etc, so there is nothing to look forward to either way. Time to give some people what they deserve!
and
2. Those that say, If there is nothing else, then this is it, and i will try my best to make the most of it. Those will always seize the day.
Question is what camp would become the biggest :D
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If it was 100 % clear for everyone on earth that it was finito (no god, no heaven, no reincarnation, no nirvana etc) afterwards, it would be an interesting scenario, and a higher influx of these two groups.
1. Those that say, fuck it, no use being good anyway, since there is no heaven and nobody to forgive me etc, so there is nothing to look forward to either way. Time to give some people what they deserve!
and
2. Those that say, If there is nothing else, then this is it, and i will try my best to make the most of it. Those will always seize the day.
Question is what camp would become the biggest :D
That's hard to predict. The camp that accepts reality and lives in the moment will definitely be the happier camp, though.
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That's hard to predict. The camp that accepts reality and lives in the moment will definitely be the happier camp, though.
You mean folks that live life to the fullest on their terms? Not wasting a moment kinda thing? Not hindered by anything and just go for it?
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Does God have free will?
No. Free will implies the ability to choose to engage in something that is either righteous or sinful. The act of sin conflicts with God's divine nature and God does nothing that is not in accordance with his divine nature. That said God simply has perfect, righteous, unchanging will.
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I wish God could close this thread.
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Yeah but if you don't kiss God's ass you go to hell, so free will is really bs
People often conflate autonomy and free will.
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I wish God could close this thread.
The fact that this post shows up the moment I enter the thread is telling. Don't be scared. ;D
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The fact that this post shows up the moment I enter the thread is telling.
telling in the fact that God made me write it. ;)
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telling in the fact that God made me write it. ;)
go on....
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You mean folks that live life to the fullest on their terms? Not wasting a moment kinda thing? Not hindered by anything and just go for it?
I'm not entirely sure about living life on one's own terms. This implies that if someone's terms were negative or evil, it would be okay, which I don't believe it is. Like it or not, we live amongst others it is only right to show them consideration.
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go on....
respect to you sir coz as i stated above...
anyone who says that following Christ is the easy way out does not know what the fuck they are talking about
following Christ if you really follow Him takes lots of guts and courage
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respect to you sir coz as i stated above...
following Christ if you really follow Him takes lots of guts and courage
Whew, you ain't lying!! It's not easy and I'm ashamed to say I sometimes fail.
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I'm not entirely sure about living life on one's own terms. This implies that if someone's terms were negative or evil, it would be okay, which I don't believe it is. Like it or not, we live amongst others it is only right to show them consideration.
Do you feel that it is better let someone live how they want or provide warning if they're not on the "straight and narrow"?
Not a trap LOL....just curious.
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go on....
if God is all powerful I had no choice in the matter..
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if God is all powerful I had no choice in the matter..
Ah. So that means you're a believer in Christ now following his will above your own. You're a Christian now, correct?
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Ah. So that means you're a believer in Christ now following his will above your own. You're a Christian now, correct?
Of course not, Im using terminology that you are comfortable with, its a technique people use to ingratiate themselves to others.
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If it was 100 % clear for everyone on earth that it was finito (no god, no heaven, no reincarnation, no nirvana etc) afterwards, it would be an interesting scenario, and a higher influx of these two groups.
1. Those that say, fuck it, no use being good anyway, since there is no heaven and nobody to forgive me etc, so there is nothing to look forward to either way. Time to give some people what they deserve!
and
2. Those that say, If there is nothing else, then this is it, and i will try my best to make the most of it. Those will always seize the day.
Question is what camp would become the biggest :D
Yeah.
Some people need a god to behave, no doubt. It's ironic, cause, god shouldn't desire these people in the first place because they aren't inherently good, just acting good out of fear of god's wrath.
If you see a child walking down the street and someone bludgeons him to death, you don't need to believe in a god to have compassion or morality.
But even in non extreme cases, most people behave due to the consequences of breaking laws, or self evident maturity- you wouldn't want that shit done to yourself. I would think, even if it was revealed that there was no god, people would still want to live in a civilized society. I think we are better than a bunch of low life savages.
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Of course not, Im using terminology that you are comfortable with, its a technique people use to ingratiate themselves to others.
So you aren't coerced or forced to be one way or another? How's that possible? God is all powerful and therefore you had no choice in the matter. He wills that you surrender to him in faith and repentance, but yet you aren't.
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So you aren't coerced or forced to be one way or another? How's that possible? God is all powerful and therefore you had no choice in the matter. He wills that you surrender to him in faith and repentance, but yet you aren't.
For me to believe God is all powerful I would first have to establish he exists in the first place.
I see no evidence of that, the horrors of this world proves that even if there is a God, hes a c.unt.
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Yeah.
Some people need a god to behave, no doubt. It's ironic, cause, god shouldn't desire these people in the first place because they aren't inherently good, just acting good out of fear of god's wrath.
If you see a child walking down the street and someone bludgeons him to death, you don't need to believe in a god to have compassion or morality.
But even in non extreme cases, most people behave due to the consequences of breaking laws, or self evident maturity- you wouldn't want that shit done to yourself. I would think, even if it was revealed that there was no god, people would still want to live in a civilized society. I think we are better than a bunch of low life savages.
This implies that some of us are inherently good. How so and who? What's the standard for that goodness?
You also suggest that believers only pretend to be good out of fear of God's wrath. An all powerful, all knowing God wouldn't be able to recognize genuine belief over phony belief?
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For me to believe God is all powerful I would first have to establish he exists in the first place.
I see no evidence of that, the horrors of this world proves that even if there is a God, hes a c.unt.
That's a great red herring, but you didn't answer my question.
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This implies that some of us are inherently good. How so and who? What's the standard for that goodness?
You also suggest that believers only pretend to be good out of fear of God's wrath. An all powerful, all knowing God wouldn't be able to recognize genuine belief over phony belief?
Some people believe that the afterlife is there waiting for them and if they are good they will be rewarded and if they are evil they will be punished.
Some people believe that this is it and there is no afterlife, they live their lives morally right or morally wrong, but thats people for you.
Religion was created to try and keep the morally wrong in check..
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Some people believe that the afterlife is there waiting for them and if they are good they will be rewarded and if they are evil they will be punished.
Some people believe that this is it and there is no afterlife, they live their lives morally right or morally wrong, but thats people for you.
Religion was created to try and keep the morally wrong in check..
How does religion keep the morally wrong in check?
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Plato, Aristotle and other ancient philosophers provide arguments and guidelines on what it means to live a good and virtuous life for oneself and others without a religious aspect.
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Plato, Aristotle and other ancient philosophers provide arguments and guidelines on what it means to live a good and virtuous life for oneself and others without a religious aspect.
Sure, that's true. My mother has a subjective standard also. Why is one subjective standard better than another?
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Sure, that's true. My mother has a subjective standard also. Why is one subjective standard better than another?
Everything is arguably subjective.
The point is that 'living a good and virtuous life' or a philosophy which promotes these principles does not have to include religion.
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Childrens fiction book (Bible) talking snakes,immaculate conceptions, Arks, sky wizards.
Funny stuff...
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Everything is arguably subjective.
The point is that 'living a good and virtuous life' or a philosophy which promotes these principles does not have to include religion.
What constitutes good and virtuous living?
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Childrens fiction book (Bible) talking snakes,immaculate conceptions, Arks, sky wizards.
Funny stuff...
You willing to defend your position or is this just a "hit and run"?
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Do you feel that it is better let someone live how they want or provide warning if they're not on the "straight and narrow"?
Not a trap LOL....just curious.
I do not believe in the hereafter. What would be the purpose of a warning and where would it come from? Humans intuitively know when they are doing something wrong and their retribution is in the here and now.
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What constitutes good and virtuous living?
This is for each of us to determine for ourselves.
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I do not believe in the hereafter. What would be the purpose of a warning and where would it come from? Humans intuitively know when they are doing something wrong and their retribution is in the here and now.
The purpose of the warning is to help someone remove themselves from dangerous situation/condition and it's comes from a place of love for others.
What is the source of that intuitive thinking and what is the retribution currently experienced? Laws of men and punishment therein?
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In a hundred million years there will be no earth, no memories of humans and their various mythos and superstitions, and certainly no one to care that such a pedestrian planet and it's utterly insignificant population ever existed.
That some troglodytes left behind by evolution still cling to the mentally ill delusion of an imaginary "friend/ trunk monkey" in the sky- is completely irrelevant to intelligent conversation.
Have you ever found yourself, at any time, to be seeking God?
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This is for each of us to determine for ourselves.
So if an action/circumstance is considered good and virtuous by one group and not good and virtuous by another which group is right and which group is wrong?
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I'm not entirely sure about living life on one's own terms. This implies that if someone's terms were negative or evil, it would be okay, which I don't believe it is. Like it or not, we live amongst others it is only right to show them consideration.
Why, Prime?
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The purpose of the warning is to help someone remove themselves from dangerous situation/condition and it's comes from a place of love for others.
What is the source of that intuitive thinking and what is the retribution currently experienced? Laws of men and punishment therein?
Warnings come from our conscience and from others who love and care about us. Everyone has a conscience (even sociopaths can feel the personal shame of failure and disapproval, even though they may not feel guilt or empathy for the suffering of other people). Punishment is synonymous with retribution; they are one in the same. Intuition comes from within us.
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How does religion keep the morally wrong in check?
the explanation is in the previous post
they check their behaviour in a hope they will be rewarded in the afterlife.
If they thought there was no afterlife they would have no consequences and a person without fear of consequence is very dangerous indeed.
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Warnings come from our conscience and from others who love and care about us. Everyone has a conscience (even sociopaths can feel the personal shame of failure and disapproval, even though they may not feel guilt or empathy for the suffering of other people). Punishment is synonymous with retribution; they are one in the same. Intuition comes from within us.
So you're suggesting that our conscience (or intuition) is just in us....not instilled. That we instinctively understand right from wrong without any objective standard as a basis of comparison. That would suggest that it could be detected or even isolated in the gene code. Further, how can you trust your conscience....your intuition if it's grounded in subjectivity?
Sociopaths actually have a lack of conscience or perhaps a denial or suppression of conscience. If they experience shame it's probably at odds with a non-sociopath; yet, who is right and who is wrong?
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the explanation is in the previous post
they check their behaviour in a hope they will be rewarded in the afterlife.
If they thought there was no afterlife they would have no consequences and a person without fear of consequence is very dangerous indeed.
But the morally wrong don't adhere to a Godly standard. Their subjective perspective is diametrically opposed to God's objective standard.
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So you're suggesting that our conscience (or intuition) is just in us....not instilled. That we instinctively understand right from wrong without any objective standard as a basis of comparison. That would suggest that it could be detected or even isolated in the gene code. Further, how can you trust your conscience....your intuition if it's grounded in subjectivity?
Sociopaths actually have a lack of conscience or perhaps a denial or suppression of conscience. If they experience shame it's probably at odds with a non-sociopath; yet, who is right and who is wrong?
the majority decides.
A brief explanation of how the world works in one sentence. "You can do whatever you like in life, but if other people dont like what you are doing they will stop you"
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But the morally wrong don't adhere to a Godly standard. Their subjective perspective is diametrically opposed to God's objective standard.
how do you know what Gods standards are, he may be pulling our legs...
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the majority decides.
A brief explanation of how the world works in one sentence. "You can do whatever you like in life, but if other people dont like what you are doing they will stop you"
so an ad populum fallacy?
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how do you know what Gods standards are, he may be pulling our legs...
Jesus Christ, biblical scripture, divine revelation of the Holy Spirit in believers....things of that sort.
What would be the motivation for a divine, transcendent God to pull our legs? To lie to us essentially?
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Jesus Christ, biblical scripture, divine revelation of the Holy Spirit in believers....things of that sort.
What would be the motivation for a divine, transcendent God to pull our legs? To lie to us essentially?
all written by men, maybe it got lost in translation...
And for his amusement, hes got fuck all else to do, although his time would be better spent feeding the starving or stopping soldiers chopping children's arms and legs off.
But nah....its Gods will.
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So you're suggesting that our conscience (or intuition) is just in us....not instilled. That we instinctively understand right from wrong without any objective standard as a basis of comparison. That would suggest that it could be detected or even isolated in the gene code. Further, how can you trust your conscience....your intuition if it's grounded in subjectivity?
Sociopaths actually have a lack of conscience or perhaps a denial or suppression of conscience. If they experience shame it's probably at odds with a non-sociopath; yet, who is right and who is wrong?
Yes, I am saying a conscious is innate. Intuition and conscience are not the same thing. Intuition can be developed and is separate from one's conscience.
A sociopath typically has a conscience, but it's weak. He may know that taking your money is wrong, and he might feel some guilt or remorse, but that won't stop his behavior. Both lack empathy, the ability to stand in someone else's shoes and understand how they feel.
Sociopaths are an anomaly. They are not relevant to this conversation.
Your conscience is not grounded in subjectivity.
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Jesus Christ, biblical scripture, divine revelation of the Holy Spirit in believers....things of that sort.
What would be the motivation for a divine, transcendent God to pull our legs? To lie to us essentially?
This is what many humans have been taught to believe for many centuries. You are referencing tools to teach some religious doctrines (mainly Christianity). These tools are the manifest of humans. It is only by humanizing God that anyone can suggest he's pulling our legs or lying to us.
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No. Free will implies the ability to choose to engage in something that is either righteous or sinful. The act of sin conflicts with God's divine nature and God does nothing that is not in accordance with his divine nature. That said God simply has perfect, righteous, unchanging will.
Could've stopped there. No free will, therefore not omnipotent. Forget "sin," can't choose at all; everything's already planned. Prayer obviously rendered useless. Essentially a robot.
So why call it god?
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Yes, I am saying a conscious is innate. Intuition and conscience are not the same thing. Intuition can be developed and is separate from one's conscience.
A sociopath typically has a conscience, but it's weak. He may know that taking your money is wrong, and he might feel some guilt or remorse, but that won't stop his behavior. Both lack empathy, the ability to stand in someone else's shoes and understand how they feel.
Sociopaths are an anomaly. They are not relevant to this conversation.
Your conscience is not grounded in subjectivity.
Then a conscience is grounded in objectivity. What's the source of that?
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Could've stopped there. No free will, therefore not omnipotent. Forget "sin," can't choose at all; everything's already planned. Prayer obviously rendered useless. Essentially a robot.
So why call it god?
But I already explained that God doesn't act outside of his divine, righteous nature.
Why is it wrong to steal? Because God is not a thief.
Why is it wrong to lie? Because God is not a liar.
God's will is in accordance with his nature which is divine, holy, righteous and just. God cannot be otherwise because he would not be God.
And to them claim that God can't defy his nature therefore he isn't all powerful therefore he isn't God is a nonsequitur.
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This is what many humans have been taught to believe for many centuries. You are referencing tools to teach some religious doctrines (mainly Christianity). These tools are the manifest of humans. It is only by humanizing God that anyone can suggest he's pulling our legs or lying to us.
They are tools to teach Christianity but they are sourced from God and vetted by special revelation, history, archeology and fulfillment of prophecy.
I agree that is the only way.
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Then a conscience is grounded in objectivity. What's the source of that?
Bump for Prime.
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God??!! This is the 21st Century, we know there are no gods now surely ... ::)
falcon probably live somewhere on route 66 , bible belt section :D
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It's funny to me that this thread was neither started on nor moved to the Religion board.
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the explanation is in the previous post
they check their behaviour in a hope they will be rewarded in the afterlife.
If they thought there was no afterlife they would have no consequences and a person without fear of consequence is very dangerous indeed.
Plato teaches us that we should be good in life, to reap the benefits in life.
He argued that if we are virtuas : striving for wisdom, courage, moderation and justice and balance in life, while being ruled by logic and not desire, we will be happy. Lack of these these traits (virtue) will mean that we are unbalanced and our mind and body will not be in sync. The body mustn't rule the mind or our logic would be under the control of short term desire and wants, if logic rules our lives in balance with the other virtues of wisdom, courage and restraint, then we will be happy.
It should be noted that the writers of the New Testament would have been educated in Greek philosophy and were familiar with Plato and other Greek philosophers.
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Plato teaches us that we should be good in life, to reap the benefits in life.
He argued that if we are virtuas : striving for wisdom, courage, moderation and justice and balance in life, while being ruled by logic and not desire, we will be happy. Lack of these these traits (virtue) will mean that we are unbalanced and our mind and body will not be in sync. The body mustn't rule the mind or our logic would be under the control of short term desire and wants, if logic rules our lives in balance with the other virtues of wisdom, courage and restraint, then we will be happy.
It should be noted that the writers of the New Testament would have been educated in Greek philosophy and were familiar with Plato and other Greek philosophers.
So I'm understanding, are you suggesting that given Plato's subjective opinion on leading a virtuous life that this takes precedence over an objective standard by God or removes the need for God's divine objectivity?
I agree there was absolutely education on Greek philosophy per NT writers.....earliest NT manuscripts were penned in Koine Greek.
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Then a conscience is grounded in objectivity. What's the source of that?
What I wrote is that a conscience is not grounded in objectivity.
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What I wrote is that a conscience is not grounded in objectivity.
You actually wrote not grounded in subjectivity, but you meant not grounded in objectivity? Is that right? Dont wanna misrepresent you.
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They are tools to teach Christianity but they are sourced from God and vetted by special revelation, history, archeology and fulfillment of prophecy.
I agree that is the only way.
Sourced from God is what a lot of people have been taught and believe. I have no issue with this.
If humanizing God helps you to believe, that's fine. "God" is within us and in each of us God is unique and also the thread by which we are all connected.
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You actually wrote not grounded in subjectivity, but you meant not grounded in objectivity? Is that right? Dont wanna misrepresent you.
Thank you for catching this. Both, objectivity and subjectivity are human traits which vary from person to person.
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Prime, is it possible that you wrote what you meant and what you know to be true, but then realized you don't quite understand it?
It sort of looks like that.
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Man of Steel had a divine intervention. We didn't have such privilege. Without that, he too would've doubted his own arguments.
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Man of Steel had a divine intervention. We didn't have such privilege. Without that, he too would've doubted his own arguments.
Well, it's refreshing that you acknowledge the divine intervention that occurred. I surrendered first and then the Holy Spirit arrived powerfully. I would say you haven't experienced such definite privilege because your heart is closed to God hence he is not actively drawing you unto him.
Now, please don't use "what if" scenarios to justify your own shortcomings as it pertains to God. Just own your situation and don't attempt to twist mine into a justification for continuation of your personal suppression and hatred of God.
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Prime, is it possible that you wrote what you meant and what you know to be true, but then realized you don't quite understand it?
It sort of looks like that.
Anything is possible. Possibly my subconscious slipped one in. ;)
The bottom line is that I'm open to other's religious beliefs. I'm not trying to convince anyone that I know the "truth" or that I am right and they are wrong.
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Anything is possible. Possibly my subconscious slipped one in. ;)
The bottom line is that I'm open to other's religious beliefs. I'm not trying to convince anyone that I know the "truth" or that I am right and they are wrong.
It's consistent with the idea you were putting forward at that time, so if anything subconscious happened then it was only your knowing it couldn't necessarily be explained through the stand you'd been taking to that point.
So, let me ask you this. Do you believe it's fair to say that everyone may possess conscience, but what makes each of us different in that regard may be our individual connection to it?
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Well, it's refreshing that you acknowledge the divine intervention that occurred. I surrendered first and then the Holy Spirit arrived powerfully. I would say you haven't experienced such definite privilege because your heart is closed to God hence he is not actively drawing you unto him.
Now, please don't use "what if" scenarios to justify your own shortcomings as it pertains to God. Just own your situation and don't attempt to twist mine into a justification for continuation of your personal suppression and hatred of God.
Was your "heart opened" before the divine intervention?
What exactly is a closed heart to god MOS?
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Was your "heart opened" before the divine intervention?
What exactly is a closed heart to god MOS?
Imo, it means to keep God excluded from one's knowledge.
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Imo, it means to keep God excluded from one's knowledge.
I find that ironic, cause, some of the greatest desires to study and know god are from atheists.
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I find that ironic, cause, some of the greatest desires to study and know god are from atheists.
To "know god"? Not sure I follow, about the atheists you mention who study toward doing that.
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To "know god"? Not sure I follow, about the atheists you mention who study toward doing that.
Well, to know that god indeed exists.
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I find that ironic, cause, some of the greatest desires to study and know god are from atheists.
Share any of those studies.
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Well, to know that god indeed exists.
You mean, somehow, they attempt to demonstrate, or to prove, or to "show" in some way, to the rest of us that God does not exist?
Is that what you're saying?
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God? LMFAO!
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God? LMFAO!
hit and run coward....you need Jesus....he's the only way
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Share any of those studies.
You're missing my point.
You're saying all atheists or agnostics have never read the Bible or took it seriously and open minded at one point? I think you believe that they all just don't care to.
Or
Do you really think that they all secretly believe and deny it due to some sort of hate or jealousy towards god? Lol. Please tell me you aren't that naive.
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You mean, somehow, they attempt to demonstrate, or to prove, or to "show" in some way, to the rest of us that God does not exist?
Is that what you're saying?
You're sounding like a lawyer.
I would say some try to, definitely. But, the correct position is to demonstrate that it's unjustified.
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You're missing my point.
You're saying all atheists or agnostics have never read the Bible or took it seriously and open minded at one point? I think you believe that they all just don't care to.
Or
Do you really think that they all secretly believe and deny it due to some sort of hate or jealousy towards god? Lol. Please tell me you aren't that naive.
And you're again avoiding mine and adopting a straw man that you can defend a bit easier.
Another straw man. People suppress God in their unrighteousness because they love their sin, hate accountability and are haters of God that spend their energy suppressing the truth of God's judgment for a another round of pornography, partying, adultery, fornication, drug abuse, alcohol abuse, violence, stealing, materialism, idolatry.....and on and on.
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You're sounding like a lawyer.
I would say some try to, definitely. But, the correct position is to demonstrate that it's unjustified.
But isn't it true that the most they could hope for, is to make a convincing attack on organized religion? That's just another (often deserved) attack on man, though.
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And you're again avoiding mine and adopting a straw man that you can defend a bit easier.
Another straw man. People suppress God in their unrighteousness because they love their sin, hate accountability and are haters of God that spend their energy suppressing the truth of God's judgment for a another round of pornography, partying, adultery, fornication, drug abuse, alcohol abuse, violence, stealing, materialism, idolatry.....and on and on.
What am I avoiding? Please rephrase.
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But isn't it true that the most they could hope for, is to make a convincing attack on organized religion? That's just another (often deserved) attack on man, though.
That's another ball of wax .
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What am I avoiding? Please rephrase.
I just asked for two examples of the many studies you noted.
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I just asked for two examples of the many studies you noted.
How about the known works of Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, etc.
Does this mean they secretly agree with you but are out to put it down?
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How about the known works of Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, etc.
Does this mean they secretly agree with you but are out to put it down?
They have published books where they give their opinions about religion (mostly philosophical in nature....Dawkins introduces a bit of genetics), but I'm not aware of religious studies they've conducted in which they attempt to study and know God. They begin with their presuppositions and expand their subjectivity from there. They aren't looking for truth they're looking to stand at odds. A study would be more controlled, as free from bias as possible and would exhaust source material (ex: biblical scripture that provides definite guidance on coming to know God).
Now I may have misunderstood what you meant by study and you were being more general in what you were suggesting as a study (which is fine). That said, technically 3 of the 4 horsemen have done a study of religion to some extent. So in that regard I may have misunderstood your intent.
So I'll just leave the studies piece out there for now.
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Come on dude, they all read the Bible and took it seriously.
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FREAKgeek - are you saying that, by reading a Bible and "taking it seriously" but nonetheless finishing it without being moved toward it, should show something? If so, I believe you raise some interesting questions with that.
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FREAKgeek - are you saying that, by reading a Bible and "taking it seriously" but nonetheless finishing it without being moved toward it, should show something? If so, I believe you raise some interesting questions with that.
You can easily be "being moved toward it" and it's nothing more than emotional, wishful thinking.
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You can easily be "being moved toward it" and it's nothing more than emotional, wishful thinking.
What might a person be wishing for, would you say?
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What might a person be wishing for, would you say?
How about an easy solution to life's problems
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How about an easy solution to life's problems
In what way might it be seen as a solution?
Btw, just to be 100% clear, not trolling anyone in this thread, not baiting anyone -- nothing like that, at all. This stuff isn't discussed nearly enough in this world and I can't think of a topic which deserves more respect.
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In what way might it be seen as a solution?
People pray for all sorts of things - health, financial well being, safety, etc. Who wouldn't want a friendly god on your side concerned about your affairs?
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People pray for all sorts of things - health, financial well being, safety, etc. Who wouldn't want a friendly god on your side concerned about your affairs?
You mean to say for selfish reasons? Like maybe a "long shot" sort of thing.
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You mean to say for selfish reasons? Like maybe a "long shot" sort of thing.
Well if you pray for your own well being, by definition it's selfish. But this isn't necessarily a negative connotation. I'm generalizing.
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Well if you pray for your own well being, by definition it's selfish. But this isn't necessarily a negative connotation. I'm generalizing.
Yes, I understand what you mean. And now that you mention it, I'd bet it's probably the most discouraging factor to be found.
But if self-centeredness, as a whole, is a main symptom of our diseased world, then maybe it looks like the person's praying to make it worse without even realizing it.
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Come on dude, they all read the Bible and took it seriously.
And I believe they have....not in question for me. Although reading scripture and actually doing what it says to do is the difference. In the simplest terms they read the bible in an effort to find reasons not to follow it. The great irony written in scripture being that those nonbelievers (with hardened hearts) can't discern scripture yet know the truth of God's reality revealed to them in God's creation. Yet they suppress that divinely provided truth in their unrighteousness.
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And I believe they have....not in question for me. Although reading scripture and actually doing what it says to do is the difference. In the simplest terms they read the bible in an effort to find reasons not to follow it. The great irony written in scripture being that those nonbelievers (with hardened hearts) can't discern scripture yet know the truth of God's reality revealed to them in God's creation. Yet they suppress that divinely provided truth in their unrighteousness.
That's not true. There are people who were believers and follow the word and later turn atheists. Look up Matt Dillahunty perfect example.
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That's not true. There are people who were believers and follow the word and later turn atheists. Look up Matt Dillahunty perfect example.
FYI, I'm very familiar with Matt Dillahunty, his story, the Atheist Experience in Austin, TX (I live an hour outside of Austin....shows been on public tv for years and years now). I've watched many debates with Matt. Posted about him multiple times on these boards in fact.
2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.
2 Timothy 3
You should know this, Timothy, that in the last days there will be very difficult times. 2 For people will love only themselves and their money. They will be boastful and proud, scoffing at God, disobedient to their parents, and ungrateful. They will consider nothing sacred. 3 They will be unloving and unforgiving; they will slander others and have no self-control. They will be cruel and hate what is good. 4 They will betray their friends, be reckless, be puffed up with pride, and love pleasure rather than God. 5 They will act religious, but they will reject the power that could make them godly. Stay away from people like that!
6 They are the kind who work their way into people’s homes and win the confidence of[a] vulnerable women who are burdened with the guilt of sin and controlled by various desires. 7 (Such women are forever following new teachings, but they are never able to understand the truth.) 8 These teachers oppose the truth just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses. They have depraved minds and a counterfeit faith. 9 But they won’t get away with this for long. Someday everyone will recognize what fools they are, just as with Jannes and Jambres.
2 Timothy 4:3-4
For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.
Jude 1
4 I say this because some ungodly people have wormed their way into your churches, saying that God’s marvelous grace allows us to live immoral lives. The condemnation of such people was recorded long ago, for they have denied our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
The Matt Dillahunty's, the atheist "Clergy Project".....all individuals defined as "turned from faith in the supernatural", but in reality were NEVER believers to begin with.
As my wife often reminds me, "Sweetie, people lie all the time."
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Just what I thought how you'd respond...because if you turn away from god you are simply immoral, selfish, ect. It can never be based about the true content or experiences with biblical philosophy.
They don't call it a dogma for nothing.
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Just what I thought how you'd respond...because if you turn away from god you are simply immoral, selfish, ect. It can never be based about the true content or experiences with biblical philosophy.
They don't call it a dogma for nothing.
Well of course it's based upon their opposition to scripture, true content, experiences, philosophy/theology, etc......
The reason they end up opposing God/scripture/religion is because they never had any real experience with God and couldn't truly discern scripture because God knew the content of their hearts prior to their admission of denial and hatred of God. Our faith in Christ is a combination of our truly repentant hearts desiring the will of God above our own and God's drawing of us unto him and both are interlaced and required for true salvation in Christ to occur. Otherwise these folks are merely nominal Christians/believers that never truly believed.....even though after the fact they say things like "I believed with all my heart.....I studied at seminary....yada, yada, yada"
Matt Dillahunty has claimed decades of faithful belief and a short stint in seminary yet when confronted by true theological scholars and apologists he can't speak to basic theology. Concepts a first year seminary student would probably know prior to entering the school, but definitely would know after starting courses. Matt has memorized passages of scripture as can a 5 year old child or a parrot, but there's no depth beyond his presuppositions and subjectivity. Matt is a terrific student of philosophy and an articulate public speaker.
In my estimation he's simply lying about his faith and seminary work LOL. Why lie though? Simple. Attention, money, quasi-celebrity status, career, etc.....
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Well of course it's based upon their opposition to scripture, true content, experiences, philosophy/theology, etc......
The reason they end up opposing God/scripture/religion is because they never had any real experience with God and couldn't truly discern scripture because God knew the content of their hearts prior to their admission of denial and hatred of God. Our faith in Christ is a combination of our truly repentant hearts desiring the will of God above our own and God's drawing of us unto him and both are interlaced and required for true salvation in Christ to occur. Otherwise these folks are merely nominal Christians/believers that never truly believed.....even though after the fact they say things like "I believed with all my heart.....I studied at seminary....yada, yada, yada"
Matt Dillahunty has claimed decades of faithful belief and a short stint in seminary yet when confronted by true theological scholars and apologists he can't speak to basic theology. Concepts a first year seminary student would probably know prior to entering the school, but definitely would know after starting courses. Matt has memorized passages of scripture as can a 5 year old child or a parrot, but there's no depth beyond his presuppositions and subjectivity. Matt is a terrific student of philosophy and an articulate public speaker.
In my estimation he's simply lying about his faith and seminary work LOL. Why lie though? Simple. Attention, money, quasi-celebrity status, career, etc.....
Well at least I understand you now.