Thoughts on overtraining?

[slaveboy1980]

I agree with many others.  Over Training isn't usually the problem its lack of sleep and diet that is the biggest cause of not making gains.  There are tons of kids that goto the gym  and bust their ass on weights, but they stay up too late, only getting 6 hours of sleep.  They skip breakfast, and only have two large meals / day.  Sleep helps alot, but the biggest things most forget is to get big you need to be contantly eating.  When you sit down and eat a huge meal, only the first 30 or 40 grams of protein are utilized,  The rest goes to the toilet.  That is why its important to eat 6+ times a day, ensuring you get 30+ grams or protein / meal.  This keeps your system saturated with the right stuff to grow.

The only kind of over training that you should watch out for is anything that can cause damage to your joints and tendons ( running, swimming ext ).  Its important to know what your body is capable of.  Don't let some trainer push you farther than your body is designed to handle.  Lactate is one thing.  shoulder and join pain is another. 

absolute BS. if you want a detailed explanation let me know.

dont agree with the rest of your post either.

[webcake]

I agree with many others.  Over Training isn't usually the problem its lack of sleep and diet that is the biggest cause of not making gains.  There are tons of kids that goto the gym  and bust their ass on weights, but they stay up too late, only getting 6 hours of sleep.  They skip breakfast, and only have two large meals / day.  Sleep helps alot, but the biggest things most forget is to get big you need to be contantly eating.  When you sit down and eat a huge meal, only the first 30 or 40 grams of protein are utilized,  The rest goes to the toilet.  That is why its important to eat 6+ times a day, ensuring you get 30+ grams or protein / meal.   This keeps your system saturated with the right stuff to grow.

The only kind of over training that you should watch out for is anything that can cause damage to your joints and tendons ( running, swimming ext ).  Its important to know what your body is capable of.  Don't let some trainer push you farther than your body is designed to handle.  Lactate is one thing.  shoulder and join pain is another. 

Firstly, as already stated by others, your first statement is incorrect.

Secondly, swimming will damage your joints?! First time ive ever heard that...

[slaveboy1980]

Firstly, as already stated by others, your first statement is incorrect.

Secondly, swimming will damage your joints?! First time ive ever heard that...

swimming is actually very mild on the joints.

[webcake]

swimming is actually very mild on the joints.

I know, i actually think it should be done by many more weight trainers. Ive swam my whole life, and would like to think it has helped in keeping my shoulders pain free and still fairly flexible.

[Overload]

swimming is actually very mild on the joints.

Yep and it burns a ton of calories when you swim at a good pace.

It's also excellent for your cardiovascular system.

[candidizzle]

Yep and it burns a ton of calories when you swim at a good pace.

It's also excellent for your cardiovascular system.

sometimes, if i ever do hiit cardio, what ill do is do a 50 free, then do a 50 greastroke at a slow pace, then repeat maybe 20 times...   (of course i sprint the 50 free)

OR

if i want to do normal cardio in the pool i will just do breast stroke, or i will get on my surf board in the pool and just paddle and kick back and farth (olympic size pool in back yard)

[Overload]

sometimes, if i ever do hiit cardio, what ill do is do a 50 free, then do a 50 greastroke at a slow pace, then repeat maybe 20 times...   (of course i sprint the 50 free)

I've always responded well to HIIT cardio.

I do a full medley and then tread water while i catch my breath for a few minutes and repeat...it's tougher than it sounds.

[Redwingenator]

i dont agree with overtraining being the biggest reason people arent making progress in the gym, neither is nutrition, altho its very common to read in various articles.  personally i think its mainly due to a mix of the following:

(1): people dont focus enough on getting stronger in the basic exercises
(2): people simply arent working hard enough.
(4): no plan 
they dont log the weight they use, and next week dont really try to beat the previous weights.
(6) not being consistant enough (this could be included in points 1-4)

I think you hit the nail on the head.
overtraining is a worry for those the guys you see in the gym religiously, the guys that never miss a workout and are busting their butts.  Overtraining is not a concern for the other 99% of the people in the gym.  They might overtrain when they commit to training and hit the gym real hard for 2 weeks, but then they fall back to their on again off again routine of bicep curls, treadmill, and ab crunches with post workout creatine/protein shake.

[candidizzle]

I've always responded well to HIIT cardio.

I do a full medley and then tread water while i catch my breath for a few minutes and repeat...it's tougher than it sounds.

a meddely is like the IM righ ? butter-back-breast-free?

[Overload]

a meddely is like the IM righ ? butter-back-breast-free?

Exactly.

I was a swimmer MANY years ago...

i probably shouldn't have said that on here...

[candidizzle]

Exactly.

I was a swimmer MANY years ago...

i probably shouldn't have said that on here...

lol

i swam from age 4 to age 14..then i taught swimming lessons abotu three summers ago..   

[darksol]

Swimming is not the safe sport many of your think it is.  I have known too many swimmers that have to get shoulder sugery from screwing up their joints.  Also most of you don't swim like a competitive swimmer.  In high school I was swimming 12,000 - 15,000 meters every day.  An Example set would be 20 x 100 freestyle on the 1:15.   Unless you are doing these kinds of workouts you don't know the meaning of over training ( with swimming ).  Most of you wouldn't last 60 seconds in the pool doing what we had to do for 3-4 hours daily. 

Also unless you are taking additional Enzymes,  your body does not absorb the additional protein.  30-40 grams is all a natural body can absorb per sitting. 

I wouldn't recommend swimming as a way to burn calories.  Its great for fitness, but not for fat burning.  If you want to burn calories get on a stair machine.  You don't see BBers in Competitive Swimming for the same reason you don't see them winning the NYC marathon.

[candidizzle]

Also unless you are taking additional Enzymes,  your body does not absorb the additional protein.  30-40 grams is all a natural body can absorb per sitting. 

incorrect. 

[slaveboy1980]

Swimming is not the safe sport many of your think it is.  I have known too many swimmers that have to get shoulder sugery from screwing up their joints.  Also most of you don't swim like a competitive swimmer.  In high school I was swimming 12,000 - 15,000 meters every day.  An Example set would be 20 x 100 freestyle on the 1:15.   Unless you are doing these kinds of workouts you don't know the meaning of over training ( with swimming ).  Most of you wouldn't last 60 seconds in the pool doing what we had to do for 3-4 hours daily. 

Also unless you are taking additional Enzymes,  your body does not absorb the additional protein.  30-40 grams is all a natural body can absorb per sitting. 

I wouldn't recommend swimming as a way to burn calories.  Its great for fitness, but not for fat burning.  If you want to burn calories get on a stair machine.  You don't see BBers in Competitive Swimming for the same reason you don't see them winning the NYC marathon.

your talking out of your ass. basically everything you write is incorrect. related to candizzle?

[candidizzle]

your talking out of your ass. basically everything you write is incorrect. related to candizzle?

stop.   



besides the fact i already have corrected him on this twice; theres no reason to bring your unbased attacks and hate to any board other than the G&O.

[Overload]

Swimming is not the safe sport many of your think it is.  I have known too many swimmers that have to get shoulder sugery from screwing up their joints.  Also most of you don't swim like a competitive swimmer.  In high school I was swimming 12,000 - 15,000 meters every day.  An Example set would be 20 x 100 freestyle on the 1:15.   Unless you are doing these kinds of workouts you don't know the meaning of over training ( with swimming ).  Most of you wouldn't last 60 seconds in the pool doing what we had to do for 3-4 hours daily. 

Also unless you are taking additional Enzymes,  your body does not absorb the additional protein.  30-40 grams is all a natural body can absorb per sitting. 

I wouldn't recommend swimming as a way to burn calories.  Its great for fitness, but not for fat burning.  If you want to burn calories get on a stair machine.  You don't see BBers in Competitive Swimming for the same reason you don't see them winning the NYC marathon.

Anything is bad for your joints if you overuse the shit out of them...

Great for fitness, not for fat burning?

Are you serious?

[Redwingenator]

Also unless you are taking additional Enzymes,  your body does not absorb the additional protein.  30-40 grams is all a natural body can absorb per sitting. 

I wouldn't recommend swimming as a way to burn calories.  Its great for fitness, but not for fat burning.  If you want to burn calories get on a stair machine.  You don't see BBers in Competitive Swimming for the same reason you don't see them winning the NYC marathon.

The body can absorb 98% of the protein you ingest whether it's 20 grams or 100 grams.  The issue is what percentage of that will the body use to create muscle?  If you sit on your ass watching TV while drinking protein shakes the protein will be digested and converted to fat.  If you are lifting weights hard a greater percentage will be used for muscle synthesis.

Swimming is an excellent way to burn calories.  It is low impact and can be done at a variety of different intensities.  There is a huge difference between the intensities of competitive training versus calorie burning intensity.

[darksol]

I swam for over 16 years competitively, and I am telling you from personal experience that its not good for getting cut.  Trust me, I tried!!  Maintaining an optimal HR for fat burning while swimming is not easy.  Most of you would swim a 50 and be out of breath with a HR of 180.  If you want to burn fat staying consistent for a long period of time is the goal.  Stopping at the wall is not consistent.  Most of you aren't in the kind of shape do swim a few thousands meters continuously without stopping.  The human body wasn't made to swim, it was made to walk and run.  You are better off on a treadmill or stairmill where you can monitor you HR. 

If you want to get in shape from a fitness perspective swimming is great.  But I warn you, swimming is not the kind of activity you want to do if plan on keeping your muscle.

Bash me all you want, but I am talking from personal experience. 

[slaveboy1980]

I swam for over 16 years competitively, and I am telling you from personal experience that its not good for getting cut.  Trust me, I tried!!  Maintaining an optimal HR for fat burning while swimming is not easy.  Most of you would swim a 50 and be out of breath with a HR of 180.  If you want to burn fat staying consistent for a long period of time is the goal.  Stopping at the wall is not consistent.  Most of you aren't in the kind of shape do swim a few thousands meters continuously without stopping.  The human body wasn't made to swim, it was made to walk and run.  You are better off on a treadmill or stairmill where you can monitor you HR. 

If you want to get in shape from a fitness perspective swimming is great.  But I warn you, swimming is not the kind of activity you want to do if plan on keeping your muscle.

Bash me all you want, but I am talking from personal experience. 

are you talking from personal experience regarding protein absorption too? 

[darksol]

On the protein absorbtion, no, this is just from things I have read, and been told.  The swimming thing is from personal experience

[Alex23]

a lot of people say that, but it's entirely possible to train to the point that you simply cannot recuperate and maintain any kind of workout frequency.

"Under feeding" = bullshit.

Overtraining occurs when your own body can't clean its own wastes cause by training itself. Overtrained individuals show high liver enzymes levels and even reduced kidney functions. That's the metabolic side of things.

There is also the  nervous system overworked side of things......

[MisterMagoo]

"Under feeding" = bullshit.

Overtraining occurs when your own body can't clean its own wastes cause by training itself. Overtrained individuals show high liver enzymes levels and even reduced kidney functions. That's the metabolic side of things.

There is also the  nervous system overworked side of things......

training requires calories to recover from and progress. without enough calories, you simply cannot recover and improve. i'd like to know how anyone could POSSIBLY refute this. if underfeeding did not exist, we could all take a lot of supplements, not eat, and get gigantic while dropping every ounce of fat.

[Zaphod]

I swam for over 16 years competitively, and I am telling you from personal experience that its not good for getting cut.  Trust me, I tried!!  Maintaining an optimal HR for fat burning while swimming is not easy.  Most of you would swim a 50 and be out of breath with a HR of 180.  If you want to burn fat staying consistent for a long period of time is the goal.  Stopping at the wall is not consistent.  Most of you aren't in the kind of shape do swim a few thousands meters continuously without stopping.  The human body wasn't made to swim, it was made to walk and run.  You are better off on a treadmill or stairmill where you can monitor you HR. 

If you want to get in shape from a fitness perspective swimming is great.  But I warn you, swimming is not the kind of activity you want to do if plan on keeping your muscle.

Bash me all you want, but I am talking from personal experience. 

"Research has shown swimming to be an even worse way to shed fat; in fact, a regular swimming program has actually caused some subjects to gain weight. This is because exercise in the water is not associated with as dramatic a rise in body temperature as seen during land exercise. Elevations in body heat during physical exertion stimulate an important increase in metabolism within the muscles, enabling them to burn more calories. Heat is conducted away from the body 24 times faster in the water than on land, enabling vigorous exercise without the normal increase in temperature. Additionally, after a strenuous workout on land, body temperature may stay elevated up to six hours post-exercise, causing a significant “afterburn” of calories that does not occur after swimming. Thus, less calories are burned during swimming and less of an “afterburn” occurs following exercise."


http://www.sportsguidemag.com/archive/Jun03/TrainFit-controlfat.asp

[MisterMagoo]

everything i've read on swimming said it's great CARDIO, but bad FAT LOSS, if that makes sense. your lungs and heart will be in amazing shape, but for whatever reason you don't lose weight.

[candidizzle]

maybe thats what the textbooks say btu i suggest you swim 20 laps or more per day at a good pace and tell me what you look like in one month.