Getbig Bodybuilding, Figure and Fitness Forums
Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Pollux on December 29, 2010, 07:55:10 AM
-
I'm sure that's all it took to obtain Phil's physique. ::)
NO WAIT! In the words of Chick, we can't forget about the "finishing touch." ;D
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w142/Flex2000/IMG_20101229_090750.jpg)
-
if people believe these adds then they ask for being scammed.
-
Oh, I see! You are pissed because they forgot genetics!
-
Oh, I see! You are pissed because they forgot genetics!
No. I'm pissed because I could've spent money on drugs instead of Nitro-Tech hardcore! They mislead me. :(
-
99.9999% of all supplements are GARBAGE !!!!!!!!!
-
Oh, I see! You are pissed because they forgot genetics!
Oh yes, that's it. Just Genetics and Muscletech. ::)
-
worst thing is these ads and junk supplements are aim to sell to teens and guidos ,...
Im glad i found Getbig.com to set me straight ;D
-
Who needs drugs when Muscletech's supplements are 1480% better than everything else?
-
I'm sure that's all it took to obtain Phil's physique. ::)
NO WAIT! In the words of Chick, we can't forget about the "finishing touch." ;D
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w142/Flex2000/IMG_20101229_090750.jpg)
DUDE GOT THE CRAZY EYES GOIN!!!! :o
-
I like how this sport works. Everyone has to be hush hush about the steroids, so the "athletes" are basicly blackmailed into selling the sponsors bogus overpriced snake oil. In return they get better connections that supply them with more steroids. Hahahah!! :D
-
Chick compared supplement ads such as this Muscletech one to Axe ads where a geeky guy wearing that cologne makes hot chicks horny. In other words, they're not supposed to be taken seriously and the ads are just for comedic effect. That's still your analogy and rationale, Chick?
-
Chick compared supplement ads such as this Muscletech one to Axe ads where a dude wearing that cologne makes hot chicks horny. In other words, they're not supposed to be taken seriously and the ads are just for comedic effect. That's still your rationale, Chick?
Chick is just a sellout to the bodybuilding industry.
He says shit to make the industry look good, look more respectable, because that's his meal ticket.
He himself probably knows it's bullshit. But he's getting paid to be a steroid man so he's just doing it.
-
Jay Cutler refused to go to Sweden due to his high levels of creatine Nitro-Tech in his blood
-
chick has no choice but to say shit like that
he for sure knows himself that all supplements are garbage but he has to help the industry somehow ???
-
Chick is just a sellout to the bodybuilding industry.
He says shit to make the industry look good, look more respectable, because that's his meal ticket.
He himself probably knows it's bullshit. But he's getting paid to be a steroid man so he's just doing it.
"probably?" haha
-
But then they are in good company, given that Kelloggs advertises its sugary cereals to be helping drop a jeans size...
-
But then they are in good company, given that Kelloggs advertises its sugary cereals to be helping drop a jeans size...
seriously fuck off
-
I'm sure that's all it took to obtain Phil's physique. ::)
NO WAIT! In the words of Chick, we can't forget about the "finishing touch." ;D
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w142/Flex2000/IMG_20101229_090750.jpg)
And this is why I don't buy the magazines anymore. If only I wasn't so naive 15 years ago when I was starting out training I would have saved myself a lot of time and money :-\
-
You do nothing with supplements unless you train professionally.
-
One of the few "supps" that actually did work ECA ended up becoming "illegal"
-
Chick compared supplement ads such as this Muscletech one to Axe ads where a geeky guy wearing that cologne makes hot chicks horny. In other words, they're not supposed to be taken seriously and the ads are just for comedic effect. That's still your analogy and rationale, Chick?
They can be taken seriously, depending on the severity of the ad, and if it's trying to be over the top funny...that said...you also have to use common sense, which is where most people fail miserably.
Supplements are just that....they are a SUPPLEMENT to the many other factors involved in attaining your goals. If anyone thinks that any one supp is going to work magic without any attention to these factors, then they deserve what they get.
-
MuscleTech ads are 1,275% more misleading than the other misleading ads.
-
Where's the attractiveness in simply saying "we are a supplement to your protein and carbohydrate sources. If you ingest enough of our product, along with a balanced diet and exercise, you will increase your chances of gaining muscle size and strength."
-
All I know, is that the Cell-tech made me piss like a racehorse, all from 8 oz---
shit didn't do anything...and the Nitro-tech, should have been called Methane-Tech, because it gave you gas like mofo...you could power out of deep set of squats with that shit...jetback style...
-
They can be taken seriously, depending on the severity of the ad, and if it's trying to be over the top funny...that said...you also have to use common sense, which is where most people fail miserably.
Supplements are just that....they are a SUPPLEMENT to the many other factors involved in attaining your goals. If anyone thinks that any one supp is going to work magic without any attention to these factors, then they deserve what they get.
yeah, because the teens they are marketing to use common sense...
NO they want to get big and they buy shit like MusceTech supps thinking they will because a pro bodybuilder like Phil Heath is endorsing their shit and saying that is what he uses...lets remove the MT supps from Phil's diet and see if there is ANY difference in his physique, then lets remove his anabolics and add back the crappy MT supps and see what happens....
-
yeah, because the teens they are marketing to use common sense...
NO they want to get big and they buy shit like MusceTech supps thinking they will because a pro bodybuilder like Phil Heath is endorsing their shit and saying that is what he uses...lets remove the MT supps from Phil's diet and see if there is ANY difference in his physique, then lets remove his anabolics and add back the crappy MT supps and see what happens....
Missing the point entirely I see...
Here's a little clue for you, 99% of teens DONT WANT to look like Phil Heath, or aspire to be the size of a top BB...
-
Missing the point entirely I see...
Here's a little clue for you, 99% of teens DONT WANT to look like Phil Heath, or aspire to be the size of a top BB...
come on bob...
OF COURSE, they will think them this guy got huge taking that, I'll try some and them I'll stop when I am big enough.
kids are naive
-
come on bob...
OF COURSE, they will think them this guy got huge taking that, I'll try some and them I'll stop when I am big enough.
kids are naive
They're not as niave as you think, and they have access to a world of info at their fingertips...you could make a better case for MY generation as we had nothing but the magazines to rely on, and Al Gore had yet to invent the internet...
-
Chick...
Just from that ad alone that I posted, do you think it comes across as being that's the only thing it takes?
-
Chick...
Just from that ad alone that I posted, do you think it comes across as being that's the only thing it takes?
No...doesnt say that, doesnt even imply it...just mentions a few things that it takes to be a champ. JUst markrting 101...like any business, or any product.
-
No...doesnt say that, doesnt even imply it
Actually, it does: "Phil Heath built his physique with hardcore training, a perfect diet, and Nitro-Tech Hardcore Pro Series - every day." So I ask you once again, does that ad come across as being that's the only thing it takes to build a physique like his?
I'm trying to get you to admit that it does come across as misleading, marketing or not!
-
Actually, it does: "Phil Heath built his physique with hardcore training, a perfect diet, and Nitro-Tech Hardcore Pro Series - every day." So I ask you once again, does that ad come across as being that's the only thing it takes to build a physique like his?
I'm trying to get you to admit that it does come across as misleading, marketing or not!
To be fair, Pollux, "a perfect diet" can even allude to steroids if we're being absolutely... how do I say... explorative as far as the meaning.
-
To be fair, Pollux, "a perfect diet" can even allude to steroids if we're being absolutely... how do I say... explorative as far as the meaning.
Hahaha! So there's a hidden message there, huh? ;D
-
Very few kids are naive to think that just taking a supplement is going to make them look like Phil Heath. Just like may people find it laughable that the San Jose council banned Happy Meals from McDonalds up there because they say it makes kids fat. Get real.
Various supplements work - especially if taken in moderation, with a diet, training and more. Now, not everything works on everyone, but let's not play into the game that everything is garbage. And of course, some of these advertisements in many ads go far into proclaiming the next big thing.
But every industry has their own unique way into getting people to buy items - otherwise, we wouldnt have commercials, sponsorships and more.
Just like people think Gatorade is the best sporst drink out there - millions of people do...
-
Hahaha! So there's a hidden message there, huh? ;D
It's a pro bodybuilder discussing his diet. There's usually always a hidden message. ;D
-
Where's the attractiveness in simply saying "we are a supplement to your protein and carbohydrate sources. If you ingest enough of our product, along with a balanced diet and exercise, you will increase your chances of gaining muscle size and strength."
people simpy wanna hear they can be the next ronnie coleman
-
I'll be honest, when I was a teen and even up til my early 20s I was always looking for that "missing link" to "packing on slabs of muscle" so, of course I fell for the "supplement" claims hook, line, and sinker. FYI, creatine monohydrate did actually, somewhat deliver these "claims/gains"
-
I'll be honest, when I was a teen and even up til my early 20s I was always looking for that "missing link" to "packing on slabs of muscle" so, of course I fell for the "supplement" claims hook, line, and sinker. FYI, creatine monohydrate did actually, somewhat deliver these "claims/gains"
Yep.
-
Actually, it does: "Phil Heath built his physique with hardcore training, a perfect diet, and Nitro-Tech Hardcore Pro Series - every day." So I ask you once again, does that ad come across as being that's the only thing it takes to build a physique like his?
I'm trying to get you to admit that it does come across as misleading, marketing or not!
I'm sure he built his physique with a lot of things, but th ad doesnt list them all, nor does it say he built his physique "ONLY" with supps, or with "nothing but..."
It's called marketing, kid...get used to it.
-
This goes on all the time with almost every supplement company, big deal, it's marketing
-
Missing the point entirely I see...
Here's a little clue for you, 99% of teens DONT WANT to look like Phil Heath, or aspire to be the size of a top BB...
really? I thought the "point" here was MuscleTech's misleading ads and how they bait naive teens into buying their crap by posting a pro bodybuilder on their ads...is that not what they do? if not, then why put a picture of one of the best pro bodybuilders on the ad and fail to list anabolic steroids in his arsenal of "supplements" and IMPLY that MuscleTech supps is what got his physique to that level?
-
I'm sure he built his physique with a lot of things, but th ad doesnt list them all, nor does it say he built his physique "ONLY" with supps, or with "nothing but..."
It's called marketing, kid...get used to it.
lol @ kid ::)
So what was your cycle like when you competed, "kid"?
-
really? I thought the "point" here was MuscleTech's misleading ads and how they bait naive teens into buying their crap by posting a pro bodybuilder on their ads...is that not what they do? if not, then why put a picture of one of the best pro bodybuilders on the ad and fail to list anabolic steroids in his arsenal of "supplements" and IMPLY that MuscleTech supps is what got his physique to that level?
Dude, your logic and reason is owning this thread. What Chick is saying is just more bunk.
MuscleTech was created after hours at the MMI offices by Paul Gardiner, at the time a 20-something MuscleMag store manager with dreams of being a millionaire and little else. He appeared in its initial ads with cotton in his cheeks, a forced-out gut and a sad look on his face. Him and I would hit Wendy's at lunchtime so he could eat all sorts of fat-making meals in an attempt to lose his shape (which was good) for said ads.
When they were done, he went back to his training, eating, drug regimen and returned to shape ... and then took the "after" ads. Of course, these ads never mentioned that he was Muscletech (the only employee) or that no actual product had yet to be even created. And when he DID put something in a can with fancy labelling, it was the same shit from the same vendor as 99 percent of whatever else was on the market at the time.
-
I'm sure he built his physique with a lot of things, but th ad doesnt list them all, nor does it say he built his physique "ONLY" with supps, or with "nothing but..."
It's called marketing, kid...get used to it.
Bob, will you be the Star at the BSN booth in this upcoming Arnold Expo 2011?
-
And for the record, I have never been an employee of MuscleTech. I was an assistant editor at MuscleMag International. Paul was one of its store managers.
The bullshit of what has become bodybuilding supplementation has gone beyond extreme. And it was a lot of bull well before the '90s, too. So take that as it is meant: the supps industry is a crock.
Is protein supplementation helpful? Sure. Is it a speck of why Phil looks as he does? Not even CLOSE.
As has been said, the industry lies ... and does so knowing that guillable and desperate young people will give it a whirl, at least temporarily.
-
The "supplement" industry is one of getbigs favorite whipping boys, as it's so obviously corrupt and based on lies and deception. ;D
-
Double or even triple your bench press in 3 months with new, strawberry flavered, CRYSTAL EXPLODE XL BRO!!!
-
Hey Fortress, What about Cybergenics? ;D Just kidding man! Once again, ECA and Creatine Monohydrate did actually work, especially ECA
-
really? I thought the "point" here was MuscleTech's misleading ads and how they bait naive teens into buying their crap by posting a pro bodybuilder on their ads...is that not what they do? if not, then why put a picture of one of the best pro bodybuilders on the ad and fail to list anabolic steroids in his arsenal of "supplements" and IMPLY that MuscleTech supps is what got his physique to that level?
Exactly! Thank you! This "kid", Chick, just isn't getting it.
-
Having a less naive consumer base is bad news for the supplement industry. Then again, some people still read newspapers, use travel agents, and shop at GNC. It's hard to imagine the scam can continue much longer. If the FDA ever gets involved, it's all over.
-
Dude, your logic and reason is owning this thread. What Chick is saying is just more bunk.
MuscleTech was created after hours at the MMI offices by Paul Gardiner, at the time a 20-something MuscleMag store manager with dreams of being a millionaire and little else. He appeared in its initial ads with cotton in his cheeks, a forced-out gut and a sad look on his face. Him and I would hit Wendy's at lunchtime so he could eat all sorts of fat-making meals in an attempt to lose his shape (which was good) for said ads.
When they were done, he went back to his training, eating, drug regimen and returned to shape ... and then took the "after" ads. Of course, these ads never mentioned that he was Muscletech (the only employee) or that no actual product had yet to be even created. And when he DID put something in a can with fancy labelling, it was the same shit from the same vendor as 99 percent of whatever else was on the market at the time.
Tell us more of the story, if you remember.
-
just picked up some nano vapor, heard some good things about it. Fuck, if its bench approved, it's good 2 go. 8)
-
Tell us more of the story, if you remember.
I was there from the beginning and was Paul's onetime friend. What do you wanna know? Ask away.
Kovacs hadn't been given any product either when he was brought on board. Again, the concept and all was developed long before any thought towards actual product. All the stuff about testing, trial batches, in-house science, etc. was total and absolute horseshit. When Paul did get to product, he merely called up a supplier and had them bottle his concoction with a fancy label.
The before-after shots of Paul in those original ads were a result of losing shape with fatty foods and zero exercise and then getting back to the gym and back on the stuff.
I wish MuscleTech nothing but the worst. The company is founded on total scam merchandising.
Pathetic.
Of course, Paul is now worth a few hundred million. Not that I am a fan of Kovacs, but Paul owes that dude A LOT of money. Without him, it would have been a much more difficult slog.
Heck, Paul puts the screws to Bob Kennedy for ad space and plays his hand in a very ruthless way. Without Bob's help, MuscleTech would be NOTHING.
-
Dude, your logic and reason is owning this thread. What Chick is saying is just more bunk.
MuscleTech was created after hours at the MMI offices by Paul Gardiner, at the time a 20-something MuscleMag store manager with dreams of being a millionaire and little else. He appeared in its initial ads with cotton in his cheeks, a forced-out gut and a sad look on his face. Him and I would hit Wendy's at lunchtime so he could eat all sorts of fat-making meals in an attempt to lose his shape (which was good) for said ads.
When they were done, he went back to his training, eating, drug regimen and returned to shape ... and then took the "after" ads. Of course, these ads never mentioned that he was Muscletech (the only employee) or that no actual product had yet to be even created. And when he DID put something in a can with fancy labelling, it was the same shit from the same vendor as 99 percent of whatever else was on the market at the time.
I remember these ads. Paul made his transformation in a month. I remember Musclemag for months kept talking about some new supplements that Canadian bodybuilders were using to get huge but unfortunately they weren't allowed to sell the supplements in the U.S. Then by some miracle they were allowed to be sold here so of course I quickly ordered before laws were made to keep it out. When I looked at my CC receit it was billed to Musclemag even though supposedly there wasn't any ties between them.
-
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w142/Flex2000/IMG_20101229_090750.jpg)
ALL DRUGS
therefore
All Lies
-
Every pro bodybuilder wants to emulate Paul. Lie.... while making millions of dollars with their own supplement company. But the market is really saturated.
Jay Cutler was a muscletech athlete for years. Now, it's weird to hear him talking about his "legacy" while selling his own supplement line.
-
Jay Cutler refused to go to Sweden due to his high levels of creatine Nitro-Tech in his blood
Are they still arresting guys who appear to be bb'ers in Sweden? Amazing that actually happened in such recent times....