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Deadlifts are a good mass builder that works many parts of the body, including lower back.
the superior back exercise however are barbell rows.
hope this helps.
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Agreed.
Nothing can match barbell rows !!
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Deadlifts are a good mass builder that works many parts of the body, including lower back.
the superior back exercise however are barbell rows.
hope this helps.
WOW! An exercise that moves the upper back in an eccentric and concentric contraction through a large range of motion is a better mass builder than an exercise where the upper back is held statically? Incredible, what other training insights do you have?
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Maybe 1 out of every 20 people you see working out back at the gym does barbell rows. It's pathetic. I do barbell rows on my heavy, thickness back workout and on my width, separation, mostly machine-oriented back workout. For overall thickness and development, I think both deadlifts and barbell rows are essential. The exclusion of either I think is why so many pros and gym rats have mediocre or downright shitty backs.
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Maybe 1 out of every 20 people you see working out back at the gym does barbell rows. It's pathetic. I do barbell rows on my heavy, thickness back workout and on my width, separation, mostly machine-oriented back workout. For overall thickness and development, I think both deadlifts and barbell rows are essential. The exclusion of either I think is why so many pros and gym rats have mediocre or downright shitty backs.
I love barbell rows but also love T-Bars.
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if you dont think deads are the best back building exercise going, then you've never done 1/4 deads in a power rack with the pins set just at knee level.
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For me DL targets mostly hamstring, glutes, spinal erector & traps...lats not as much.
I believe it's still a beneficial excercise for BB, so I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water.
For back I could get by with Pull ups/chins BB rows and DL that's really all I do for back anyway...
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I love Barbell rows.. you just have to be careful that the weight is just right and you do them 100% correct. When i did work and train in a Gym i only ever saw people doing machine rows(Hammer strength) or rows on (life fitness machines). A few did one arm Dumbbell rows and that was it. No one ever did Barbell rows and Deadlifts i only ever saw one guy doing it and i had to correct him before he fucked up his back. I love doing Deads and Barbell rows, after them my back is solid. One arm rows i do too but i do not rest my knee on a bench i just rest one hand on my weight bench at a slight incline(i get a better motion and handle more weight).
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The best back exercise is wide grip pull-ups! ;)
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Best 3 excercises for back:
1. Deadlift
2. Barbell rows (not shitty range of motion type, bent over at about 100 degrees with your head up)
3. T bar rows (heavy as you can but with head up and back tight)
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I stopped doing deadlifts few years go when I felt my lower back didnt like it much.
I didnit again the past few months and my traps never looked full and big like now.
Rows are my favorite too.
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For me DL targets mostly hamstring, glutes, spinal erector & traps...lats not as much.
I believe it's still a beneficial excercise for BB, so I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water.
For back I could get by with Pull ups/chins BB rows and DL that's really all I do for back anyway...
That's you? Really great back and conditioning. Of course this post gets the Getbig disclaimer... no homo.
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like it matters what exercise you do ::)
as long as you stimulate the muscle and have enough drugs in you it grows, oh big deal you did bent over rows and not some hammer strength machina ::) ::) ::) u think that's what makes you a bodybuilder ?
good back exercises are those which active the back mucles, so any form of row,pull over,reverse fly,chin/pull ups
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barbell rows hurt my lowerback even more than deadlifts. Never got much growth out of them. Uncomfortable on the wrists, shoulders and lower back.
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Tbars rule, then Deads..... 8)
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Tbars rule, then Deads..... 8)
chest supported T-bar = king of kings. ;)
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chest supported T-bar = king of kings. ;)
Nah sissy, bar in corner, crushing the plaster !!
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farmers walk =)
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Maybe 1 out of every 20 people you see working out back at the gym does barbell rows. It's pathetic. I do barbell rows on my heavy, thickness back workout and on my width, separation, mostly machine-oriented back workout. For overall thickness and development, I think both deadlifts and barbell rows are essential. The exclusion of either I think is why so many pros and gym rats have mediocre or downright shitty backs.
::) Not to be a dick, but thats so bro-science sounding. No exercise is for 'separation'......also, the lats are used in every movement that the upper arm is brought into extension and adduction. Granted they become more involved with various pulldown movements, but if anyone thinks that the lats are not involved in rows....sadly mistaken.
Its mind numbing when you watch the videos where some 'guru' is saying "We are working on doing (blank) to bring out more quality muscle and shape the muscle here at XX weeks out"
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Best 3 excercises for back:
1. Deadlift
2. Barbell rows (not shitty range of motion type, bent over at about 100 degrees with your head up)
3. T bar rows (heavy as you can but with head up and back tight)
How many degrees?
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::) Not to be a dick, but that's so prescience sounding. No exercise is for 'separation'......also, the lats are used in every movement that the upper arm is brought into extension and ad duction. Granted they become more involved with various pulldown movements, but if anyone thinks that the lats are not involved in rows....sadly mistaken.
Its mind numbing when you watch the videos where some 'guru' is saying "We are working on doing (blank) to bring out more quality muscle and shape the muscle here at XX weeks out"
This is why Basic moves will never be replaced because you will never build muscle without them. I think that Barbell rows are a better lat builder than chins. It's like a lot of people say ..width..chins. true to an extent but with Barbell rows(with the correct grip and hand width) you can build mass and width.
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Deadlifts are a good mass builder that works many parts of the body, including lower back.
the superior back exercise however are barbell rows.
hope this helps.
True.. i prefer T-bar rows, i feel i can "safely" do heavier on T-bar rows than BB Rows
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i do dl the day after my back training day.
so my lats and upper body aregenerally sore, i can feel my lat working during the first part,then traps are working for the lockout.
dl works the back on a static way, that's all.
dl are good for general mass and strenght.
i remember a group of guy speaking about dl grip in a bus in san francisco.
i joined the debat.
one of them told me "you look like a guy who do dl"
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For me DL targets mostly hamstring, glutes, spinal erector & traps...lats not as much.
I believe it's still a beneficial excercise for BB, so I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water.
For back I could get by with Pull ups/chins BB rows and DL that's really all I do for back anyway...
you look great man
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Hurt my back years ago doing heavy hacks.................wa s training for several contests and my back was acting up so I threw in lying barbell rows..............lie on a high bench and row.
Takes legs and any heaving out of the exercise.........really a great movement,give them a shot.
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squats... deadlifts... standing barbell curls...all destroy your spine.
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squats... deadlifts... standing barbell curls...all destroy your spine.
How ironic....just last night I saw someone squatting and suddenly there was this explosion and he collapsed into a pile of flesh, organs, and muscle.....his spine was obviously destroyed.
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WOW! An exercise that moves the upper back in an eccentric and concentric contraction through a large range of motion is a better mass builder than an exercise where the upper back is held statically? Incredible, what other training insights do you have?
:D
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How ironic....just last night I saw someone squatting and suddenly there was this explosion and he collapsed into a pile of flesh, organs, and muscle.....his spine was obviously destroyed.
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how old are you? " ::)", typical comment of a short sighted, ignorant and immature moron.
Keep destroying your back then, several hours a week, and tell me how it feels when you re in your 40s/50s, fucktard. It's even more retarded when you know that you can develop those muscular groups doing less harmful exercises instead.
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For me DL targets mostly hamstring, glutes, spinal erector & traps...lats not as much.
I believe it's still a beneficial excercise for BB, so I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water.
For back I could get by with Pull ups/chins BB rows and DL that's really all I do for back anyway...
you just passed falcon and che on the best lifetime natty list brother
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squats... deadlifts... standing barbell curls...all destroy your spine.
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Most people on here will find that out after 15-20+ years lifting.
Some, however, have the right physiology for these exercises and seem to be able to do them for years.
Me personally, I used to love squats and DLs and did them for years heavy. Also bent barbell rows. My lower back is so screwed up now that leg presses seem painful in that area.
I think there are plenty of other back movements that pack on mass.. and many of them using a lighter weight with a higher rep scheme. Seated cable rows done with a weight getting about 12 reps works great if you perform them correctly with a good squeeze at the end.
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deadlifts are good for hams though
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Most people on here will find that out after 15-20+ years lifting.
Some, however, have the right physiology for these exercises and seem to be able to do them for years.
Me personally, I used to love squats and DLs and did them for years heavy. Also bent barbell rows. My lower back is so screwed up now that leg presses seem painful in that area.
I think there are plenty of other back movements that pack on mass.. and many of them using a lighter weight with a higher rep scheme. Seated cable rows done with a weight getting about 12 reps works great if you perform them correctly with a good squeeze at the end.
i dont lift to "pack on mass" -anymore-. I lift to feel and look good, mostly to the direct benefit of my girl and for my job, not to "get bigger". You can get respect being fit without being "big". I lift weights to maintain a certain level of muscularity, but not to "increase" it. As a natural, reach your plateau after two or three years training correctly, then maintain it, but that's about all you can do realistically speaking.
I basically think that if you re born an ectomorph, it's pointless to want to "pack on mass". You ve been designed for something else, period. It's the skinny kids who want to "pack on mass" who use retarded, harmful execises and go the steroid route imitating the bullshiters they see in the ads and mags. Just because they cant deal with who they are, cause they want to "get bigger" to feel less insecure. Had they had a decend father figure, they would have developed more useful for both themselves and others skills and goals to insure their survival in this world.
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I love barbell rows but also love T-Bars.
T-Bars make lats thick, and give you a better stretch when done correctly!
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I guess that's where we differ uberman. I"m 33 and have been lifting since 13. I still feel that I am slowly putting on size without super heavy weights. Back is one bodypart that I feel you need control and form with. Most "hardcore mass builders" for back are performed with lousy technique and a lot of cheating, i.e. bent rows. Most perform these with horrible form.
Some back movements I like that still add size imo:
1. Seated ONE arm cable rows-- Pause them at peak contraction (where hand is at your side). I toss these in sometimes second on my list of exercises.
2. Seated two arm cable rows
3. Underhand pulldowns. Again, strict movement with just a little leaning back during the rep. Higher rep, around 12-13. Need to squeeze the back.
4. DB rows. Again, paused at peak contraction. Not too heavy (in able to pause for that brief moment).
Key number one for building a good back is to feel the back working and fililng with blood. Also getting that stretch during the movement.
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Deadlifts are a good mass builder that works many parts of the body, including lower back.
the superior back exercise however are barbell rows.
hope this helps.
Don't you get enough of a workout bending over for your boyfriend night and day?
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I guess that's where we differ uberman. I"m 33 and have been lifting since 13. I still feel that I am slowly putting on size without super heavy weights. Back is one bodypart that I feel you need control and form with. Most "hardcore mass builders" for back are performed with lousy technique and a lot of cheating, i.e. bent rows. Most perform these with horrible form.
Some back movements I like that still add size imo:
1. Seated ONE arm cable rows-- Pause them at peak contraction (where hand is at your side). I toss these in sometimes second on my list of exercises.
2. Seated two arm cable rows
3. Underhand pulldowns. Again, strict movement with just a little leaning back during the rep. Higher rep, around 12-13. Need to squeeze the back.
4. DB rows. Again, paused at peak contraction. Not too heavy (in able to pause for that brief moment).
Key number one for building a good back is to feel the back working and fililng with blood. Also getting that stretch during the movement.
good luck with this lifestyle once the recession hits you. You ll have more important things to care about, than "meeting your daily protein intakes for optimal muscle growth" ...
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i dunno, you'll never meet a BBer who can chin 50 times, weighs over 200, who isn'ta complete badass.
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For me DL targets mostly hamstring, glutes, spinal erector & traps...lats not as much.
I believe it's still a beneficial excercise for BB, so I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water.
For back I could get by with Pull ups/chins BB rows and DL that's really all I do for back anyway...
this you?
what drugs does this require/natural?
looks great
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squats... deadlifts... standing barbell curls...all destroy your spine.
i've only had spinal problems from standing barbell curls
never a problem with squats and deadlifts
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I really like smith machine rows. At first I thought it was a stupid exercise but I actually prefer it vs free bar barbell rows. I also make sure to allow some bodymotion and I don't try to turn into a isolation movement where you end up using more arms instead of back.
Someone also mentioned free standing db rows with your arm on an incline bench and I prefer these too. I do these explosively and prefer them over more standard db rows where you keep one knee on a bench.
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Hurt my back years ago doing heavy hacks.................wa s training for several contests and my back was acting up so I threw in lying barbell rows..............lie on a high bench and row.
Takes legs and any heaving out of the exercise.........really a great movement,give them a shot.
yes i have done this with Dumbbells. Nice tip wes.
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good luck with this lifestyle once the recession hits you. You ll have more important things to care about, than "meeting your daily protein intakes for optimal muscle growth" ...
What's up with the shitty attitude here dude? Just giving you my opinion on some back exercises. I don't need your condescending bullshit.
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I guess that's where we differ uberman. I"m 33 and have been lifting since 13. I still feel that I am slowly putting on size without super heavy weights. Back is one bodypart that I feel you need control and form with. Most "hardcore mass builders" for back are performed with lousy technique and a lot of cheating, i.e. bent rows. Most perform these with horrible form.
Some back movements I like that still add size imo:
1. Seated ONE arm cable rows-- Pause them at peak contraction (where hand is at your side). I toss these in sometimes second on my list of exercises.
2. Seated two arm cable rows
3. Underhand pulldowns. Again, strict movement with just a little leaning back during the rep. Higher rep, around 12-13. Need to squeeze the back.
4. DB rows. Again, paused at peak contraction. Not too heavy (in able to pause for that brief moment).
Key number one for building a good back is to feel the back working and fililng with blood. Also getting that stretch during the movement.
Damn good post........been saying the same thing for years now.
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yes i have done this with Dumbbells. Nice tip wes.
Thanks Donny.....hope all is well buddy! ;)
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Damn good post........been saying the same thing for years now.
Thanks Wes.
I think this ideology comes with age.
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Damn good post........been saying the same thing for years now.
I agree with Wes and Coltrane.....Back training is all about feeling the muscle. You must pull with your elbows not your hands.
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lat pulldowns for me
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Thanks Wes.
I think this ideology comes with age.
Yup,I used to row with 275 and do T-Bars with 5-6 plates.......all I got out of it was sore hams and zero back development.
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Thanks Donny.....hope all is well buddy! ;)
yes i am ok..best wishes.
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I did BB rows for years before i learned how to do them properly.
I have also had great results from one arm DB rows.
8)
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In my opinion correct cheating is important for back if you are too strict (or only do very strict training) you will limit poundages and make no progress. This is my experience. At the same time just throwing around the weights is not gonna build your back either. But I do believe in explosive movements but there should obviously be some kind of control.
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^^^Arnold called it 'controlled cheating" and you are right but feeling the back is very important.
If we always got a upper back pump that was comparable to an arm pump,we would all have better back development,but this is hardly the case for most people.
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The plain truth is that it's easy to target most muscles, such as biceps, triceps, shoulders, hams, calves, etc because you can directly work them.
Muscles like back and chest (less so) are harder to hit because you can't really hit them very well directly. SO, to compensate, some cheat with heavier poundages or bad form thinking it better for growth. This is a no-no. You need less weight.
Drop weight on chest exercises too in lieu of increased reps and more strict form and you will see growth. Some of my best chest days (and also were it was most muscular) is when I hit sets of 15 with flat and incline dbs. Less weight of course.
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The plain truth is that it's easy to target most muscles, such as biceps, triceps, shoulders, hams, calves, etc because you can directly work them.
Muscles like back and chest (less so) are harder to hit because you can't really hit them very well directly. SO, to compensate, some cheat with heavier poundages or back form thinking it better for growth.
Drop weight on chest exercises too in lieu of increased reps and more strict form and you will see growth.
X 2 once again.
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how old are you? " ::)", typical comment of a short sighted, ignorant and immature moron.
Keep destroying your back then, several hours a week, and tell me how it feels when you re in your 40s/50s, fucktard. It's even more retarded when you know that you can develop those muscular groups doing less harmful exercises instead.
How old am I?.....42
How are you twat? Do tell how standing barbell curls 'destroy the spine'. How do deadlifts 'destroy the spine'. Come on, back your shit up.
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Deadlifts are a good mass builder that works many parts of the body, including lower back.
the superior back exercise however are barbell rows.
hope this helps.
they hit different bodyparts and it's comparing apples and oranges
hope this helps
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Yeah it's like comparing front squat and stiff leg deadlift as a leg builder.
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What's up with the shitty attitude here dude? Just giving you my opinion on some back exercises. I don't need your condescending bullshit.
Its Uberman the religious zealot nihilist. I don't think he has smiled in the last 20 years, it's par for the course with him.
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The greatest exercise for back is picking up your tren and GH vials, reaching for your needles/syringes and injecting that shit into your ass.
Thank me later.
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I guess that's where we differ uberman. I"m 33 and have been lifting since 13. I still feel that I am slowly putting on size without super heavy weights. Back is one bodypart that I feel you need control and form with. Most "hardcore mass builders" for back are performed with lousy technique and a lot of cheating, i.e. bent rows. Most perform these with horrible form.
Some back movements I like that still add size imo:
1. Seated ONE arm cable rows-- Pause them at peak contraction (where hand is at your side). I toss these in sometimes second on my list of exercises.
2. Seated two arm cable rows
3. Underhand pulldowns. Again, strict movement with just a little leaning back during the rep. Higher rep, around 12-13. Need to squeeze the back.
4. DB rows. Again, paused at peak contraction. Not too heavy (in able to pause for that brief moment).
Key number one for building a good back is to feel the back working and fililng with blood. Also getting that stretch during the movement.
x 2 on this. For years I did back like one of Danta's retards with choppy reps, 9 plates on the tbar and heavy deadlifts every week. After a few years of that my lower back and hips were ground into dust. These days I only do romanian deads, and rarely over 315 for high reps. My back isn't any 'bigger' but it's not a constant mess of pain
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Hurt my back years ago doing heavy hacks.................wa s training for several contests and my back was acting up so I threw in lying barbell rows..............lie on a high bench and row.
Takes legs and any heaving out of the exercise.........really a great movement, give them a shot.
That’s Vince Gironda style right there Tim. I almost forgot about that movement. I used to do it all the time when I trained at a gym that had a bench you could adjust on BOTH ends. Now all the gyms have bolted their benches down so you can’t prop them up so the closest you can come to duplicating this movement would be low inclines face down. Good movement but not the same as you are getting.
I guess that's where we differ uberman. I"m 33 and have been lifting since 13. I still feel that I am slowly putting on size without super heavy weights. Back is one bodypart that I feel you need control and form with. Most "hardcore mass builders" for back are performed with lousy technique and a lot of cheating, i.e. bent rows. Most perform these with horrible form.
Some back movements I like that still add size imo:
1. Seated ONE arm cable rows--Pause them at peak contraction (where hand is at your side). I toss these in sometimes second on my list of exercises.
2. Seated two arm cable rows
3. Underhand pulldowns. Again, strict movement with just a little leaning back during the rep. Higher rep, around 12-13. Need to squeeze the back.
4. DB rows. Again, paused at peak contraction. Not too heavy (in able to pause for that brief moment).
Key number one for building a good back is to feel the back working and filling with blood. Also getting that stretch during the movement.
Great post. I’ve been getting back to doing a controlled 1 second positive and 4 second negative on almost every movement in the gym. By controlled I mean I have to initiate the movement with the target muscle. For back that means ZERO lower back swing or leg hitch.
Gironda used to recommend––if you were having trouble with back growth––that you hold the contracted position for 6 seconds. I found this a bit excessive but it definitely seems to increase your muscle/nerve acuity in any muscle where this does not occur for you IF you select and exercise that offers the maximum resistance in the contracted position which most rowing or pulling movements do yet Deadlifts do NOT offer.
Fortunately for me back has been one of my easy growing body parts. Almost everyone who meets me in person, comments about how wide I am or how wide my shoulders are. However, it’s not my delt development that they’re commenting on but my back width.
One thing that I do a little different than what is mentioned here is how I perform pulldowns with either a close or wide grip overhand or underhand. I always start fully upright and S-L-O-W-L-Y lean back to about a 45% upper body angle––there is ZERO swinging or momentum the way I do this. Therefore the resistance curve mimics what was achieved with a Nautilus Pullover and my elbows go through a wide range of motion in relation to my torso.
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Chin-ups
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I swear by pausing at the contraction for most back movements. Not for a full 6 seconds, but about 2 seconds.
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That’s Vince Gironda style right there Tim. I almost forgot about that movement. I used to do it all the time when I trained at a gym that had a bench you could adjust on BOTH ends. Now all the gyms have bolted their benches down so you can’t prop them up so the closest you can come to duplicating this movement would be low inclines face down. Good movement but not the same as you are getting.
Great post. I’ve been getting back to doing a controlled 1 second positive and 4 second negative on almost every movement in the gym. By controlled I mean I have to initiate the movement with the target muscle. For back that means ZERO lower back swing or leg hitch.
Gironda used to recommend––if you were having trouble with back growth––that you hold the contracted position for 6 seconds. I found this a bit excessive but it definitely seems to increase your muscle/nerve acuity in any muscle where this does not occur for you IF you select and exercise that offers the maximum resistance in the contracted position which most rowing or pulling movements do yet Deadlifts do NOT offer.
Fortunately for me back has been one of my easy growing body parts. Almost everyone who meets me in person, comments about how wide I am or how wide my shoulders are. However, it’s not my delt development that they’re commenting on but my back width.
One thing that I do a little different than what is mentioned here is how I perform pulldowns with either a close or wide grip overhand or underhand. I always start fully upright and S-L-O-W-L-Y lean back to about a 45% upper body angle––there is ZERO swinging or momentum the way I do this. Therefore the resistance curve mimics what was achieved with a Nautilus Pullover and my elbows go through a wide range of motion in relation to my torso.
Its nice to think that when you don't see that part outside of mirror arrangements + photos
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I swear by pausing at the contraction for most back movements. Not for a full 6 seconds, but about 2 seconds.
I think it’s key.
It’s nice to think that when you don't see that part outside of mirror arrangements + photos
Hey, I’m entitled to my own reality of grandeur. Since I’m not interested in competing (standing on stage in thongs for a panel of “judges”with the eyesight of Mr. Magoo) and I’m only in having a “good physique” for a guy in his late 50’s I’ll take it as reality. Now if I were interested in competing then yes I would have to look with a more discerning eye.
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I think Gironda et al say/said 4-6 seconds for the contraction because nobody is really gonna count seconds, more of a quick 1-2-3-4 count.
To me, it basically means... use a weight where you can hold it statically in a pause while contracting the back, not just go up and down. ;)
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thi is how to work back,,
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thi is how to work back,,
Ha ha ha
Deads is the best. back exercise hands down
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Uberman, you obviously have no clue.
How can you know you destroyed your back from squats and deads and not for instance millitary presses and barbell rows? Have you ever read any article regarding biomechanics and how by applying proper and smart weight training actually make your back HEALTHIER? It's all about proportions of strength and for example if you do standing millitary presses with retarted weight while your core muscles are not strong enough you will hurt your back.
You have absolutely no clue about training, or life, or anything. Shut the fuck up you negative, depressed bitch.
And before you start writing your usual bullshit about education, father figures and so on (ahahahah) when you don't have any arguments I do have proper education, FAR better than you, you moron. And then I have far better IQ than you, I will have more money than you and just outperform you in every area of life there is. AVE SATAN YOU FUCKING BITCH.
So shut the fuck up and think before you start writing your preachings about "what to do in life to be happy" because life is a game where some of us, fucking juiceheads as you call it, OUTPERFORM YOU IN EVERY ASPECT. And again, HAIL SATAN.
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thi is how to work blow out your lower back,,
corrected.
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like it matters what exercise you do ::)
as long as you stimulate the muscle and have enough drugs in you it grows, oh big deal you did bent over rows and not some hammer strength machina ::) ::) ::) u think that's what makes you a bodybuilder ?
good back exercises are those which active the back mucles, so any form of row,pull over,reverse fly,chin/pull ups
well this is pretty much true, but I still like to do barbell rows for my own personal gratification. Only problem with those is I have to bring my straps to the gym or else I lose my grip
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thi is how to work back,,
Time under tension was about .5 seconds up and .5 seconds down with 1-2 seconds rest between reps. Hey, if it works for him great. I do love T-bars and do use kind of form when I want to pump up my ego... my legs... my hips... my lower back and make believe I'm strong.
Seriously I do believe there is a place for this. Just not all the time or as a staple.
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I don't feel shit when I do T-bar rows. I deadlift once a month or so, on other back workouts I stick to pull down, dumbbell rows, pull ups and some machine shit I don't know the name of.
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Cable rows and stiff-legged deadlifts seem to be working well for me.
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That’s Vince Gironda style right there Tim. I almost forgot about that movement. I used to do it all the time when I trained at a gym that had a bench you could adjust on BOTH ends. Now all the gyms have bolted their benches down so you can’t prop them up so the closest you can come to duplicating this movement would be low inclines face down. Good movement but not the same as you are getting.
David,at the gym I`m training at we have a Cybex Multi-Station unit.........crossovers,pulldowns,cable rows,preacher curls,assisted chin/dips,and pressdowns...........als o on either side of the machine are two high benches supposedly for ab work I assume,only one side can be elevated,kinda` like an incline bench in reverse.
My partner and I set up another bench in front of that one with our barbell on it,strap up,and row..........real nice,and the bench even has a foot thingy to lock you in place so you can`t /don`t cheat or wobble around.
This exercise saved my training as my back was so fucked up,training for 3 contests and my wife literally had to put on my socks and shoes before I left the house for the gym.
Another good tip everyone should be using while training back,is instead of just pulling/yanking the weight up or down,try to endeavor to push back with the elbows while kind of shrugging with the back first before the arms come into play.
This mentally pushing back instead of just pulling,will help you to establish a mind/muscle connection which I think is very tough for most people to achieve when training back.
Pausing at the chest for 2 seconds as mentioned above by coltrane is also excellent advice.
Like I mentioned earlier,if we could always get our backs pumped up as well as we do our arms,our backs would probably be far more developed.
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Wes I was able to figure out a set-up to do the high bench rows last night. I forgot how good those really are. The mentally pulling back that you described sounds almost exactly like what I was trying to describe with how I do pulldowns.
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Wes I was able to figure out a set-up to do the high bench rows last night. I forgot how good those really are. The mentally pulling back that you described sounds almost exactly like what I was trying to describe with how I do pulldowns.
Great minds think alike my friend.......you learn a few things here and there being one of the "old" guys like us! ;D
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Time under tension was about .5 seconds up and .5 seconds down with 1-2 seconds rest between reps. Hey, if it works for him great. I do love T-bars and do use kind of form when I want to pump up my ego... my legs... my hips... my lower back and make believe I'm strong.
Seriously I do believe there is a place for this. Just not all the time or as a staple.
I respect the hell out of you, but the whole 'if it works' kind of line is (imho) such a bunch of crap. What is it that is working for him? I guess I go into an exercise to make sure I am close to good form as possible. I dont think anyone would look at that and say that is even close to good form. I am not saying full form, 2 sec, 2 sec down, etc etc etc. But that is just a mindless, ego-driven, POS display.
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Maybe 1 out of every 20 people you see working out back at the gym does barbell rows. It's pathetic. I do barbell rows on my heavy, thickness back workout and on my width, separation, mostly machine-oriented back workout. For overall thickness and development, I think both deadlifts and barbell rows are essential. The exclusion of either I think is why so many pros and gym rats have mediocre or downright shitty backs.
this x100
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Maybe 1 out of every 20 people you see working out back at the gym does barbell rows. It's pathetic. I do barbell rows on my heavy, thickness back workout and on my width, separation, mostly machine-oriented back workout. For overall thickness and development, I think both deadlifts and barbell rows are essential. The exclusion of either I think is why so many pros and gym rats have mediocre or downright shitty backs.
What is a 'separation' exercise?
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Deadlifts are not a back exercise, at best erectors
Your posts are shit
HTH