The difference in muscle quality between natties and juicers !!

[Thin Lizzy]

Having done a few cycles back in the day ( Deca and Anavar) but being natty for most of my adult life I’d say the advantages of being natty are that you’re not held hostage to the gear and you don’t have to sweat the health risks.

[IroNat]

Having done a few cycles back in the day ( Deca and Anavar) but being natty for most of my adult life I’d say the advantages of being natty are that you’re not held hostage to the gear and you don’t have to sweat the health risks.

Good points.

[oldgolds]

Having done a few cycles back in the day ( Deca and Anavar) but being natty for most of my adult life I’d say the advantages of being natty are that you’re not held hostage to the gear and you don’t have to sweat the health risks.

And I always got a sense of satisfaction knowing that that I developed myself naturally  with permanent muscles that weren't dependent on drugs.. How can a person be proud of building a good physique when he knows it's dependent on drugs he injects in his ass?  it's so phony..

[joswift]

And I always got a sense of satisfaction knowing that that I developed myself naturally  with permanent muscles that weren't dependent on drugs.. How can a person be proud of building a good physique when he knows it's dependent on drugs he injects in his ass?  it's so phony..

lol
stop lifting see how that pans out

[IroNat]

And I always got a sense of satisfaction knowing that that I developed myself naturally  with permanent muscles that weren't dependent on drugs.. How can a person be proud of building a good physique when he knows it's dependent on drugs he injects in his ass?  it's so phony..

No such thing as permanent muscles but I get your point.

[oldgolds]

I did stop lifting for 6 months at a time and still looked like I was training.  You guys must not have very good genetics.

[IroNat]

I did stop lifting for 6 months at a time and still looked like I was training.  You guys must not have very good genetics.

I'm a natty myself.  Drug users do retain some of the gains they made while on drugs.

They still have to train as do nattys to prevent atrophy.

6 months is not long enough to lose much from not training.  Take a couple years off and you'll lose alot of muscle mass and strength.

[oldgolds]

Honestly, from many years around juicers I don't think they retain ANY of the muscles/strength when they come off....I've seen guys go down to nothing when stopping the drugs.

[IroNat]

Honestly, from many years around juicers I don't think they retain ANY of the muscles/strength when they come off....I've seen guys go down to nothing when stopping the drugs.

Most of them stop working out completely when they go off.

They only are after glory.

The majority of people don't enjoy working out.

[joswift]

Honestly, from many years around juicers I don't think they retain ANY of the muscles/strength when they come off....I've seen guys go down to nothing when stopping the drugs.

thats because they gain more than their genetic natural limitations
Most natties only gain around 25lbs of real lean tissue in a lifetime
Juicers gain around 100 then lose it.

Former pros always have the shock effect

Muscles just expand and enlarge that way, you dont create new muscle tissue, hyperplasia doesnt take place

[Super Natural]

Natties can get into great condition, no doubt. But IMO can't compete if a juicer knows what he's doing... The problem is most pros are too reliant on high testerona + insulin precontest in their quest to load up and be as big as possible = unavoidable spillover/estrogen convertion i.e  bloofyness

Lower test usage (if any at all) pre contest, more reliance on anadrogenics + hard dieting.. and a natty will never compete against the "chemical look" of a guy like this...sex drive will be in the gutter, but so will a natties be precontest (or anyone that gets in exceptional precontest condition)

[IroNat]

We need to get an expert's opinion on this...Bhanky, what do you think?

[joswift]

natty gyno?

[joswift]

We need to get an expert's opinion on this...Bhanky, what do you think?

this guy only weighs around 190 at 6ft

Hanky owns him onstage/offstage (I cant remember which)

[ProudVirgin69]

Most of them stop working out completely when they go off.

They only are after glory.

The majority of people don't enjoy working out.

bodybuilding while off is just futile.  I still exercise and train for health but there's no way im gonna try to build muscle

[bhank]

I think the guys that know what they are doing lose size but get leaner when they stop chaising gains

[Wiggs]

 

Drug Miller

[Thin Lizzy]

bodybuilding while off is just futile.  I still exercise and train for health but there's no way im gonna try to build muscle

The learning curve applies fully.

When you start and figure out how to train there’s a period of growth but after that it’s just maintenance and eventually just trying to hold on to what you have.

That said, Natty bodybuilding is useful for older people for strength maintenance and bone density so you’re less likely to have fractures.

[Thin Lizzy]

I'm a natty myself.  Drug users do retain some of the gains they made while on drugs.

They still have to train as do nattys to prevent atrophy.

6 months is not long enough to lose much from not training.  Take a couple years off and you'll lose alot of muscle mass and strength.

Are there any conclusive studies to support this? From what I’ve seen they eventually lose everything.

[IroNat]

Are there any conclusive studies to support this? From what I’ve seen they eventually lose everything.

Which part?

[Thin Lizzy]

Which part?

That former steroid users retain some of  their synthetic gains permanently.

[IroNat]

That former steroid users retain some of  their synthetic gains permanently.

How can you be a doubter?

[pamith]

The only true natty here is me

[Stephano]

How can you be a doubter?

Uhh, bro...

[Thin Lizzy]

Uhh, bro...

😂

I was thinking of this guy but couldn’t remember his name. Tom Prince is another.